Despite its racial profiling, Americans support Arizona law

Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants  accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking. Never mind the fact that Arizona is taking a big hit on tourism dollars because of it. Another poll shows most Americans think it’s a fine idea.

That includes nearly half of Democrats. From McClatchey:

A strong majority of Americans support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.

Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people’s immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants’ plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they’d favor the law’s passage in their own states.

More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn’t mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona:

But while the situation in Arizona is dire in some respects, it’s actually improving, not getting worse. For example, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that violent crimes in the state fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year data was compiled.

And, despite the clamor about dangerous immigrants, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates — such as Arizona. Crime in the 19 states with the highest immigrant populations dropped by 13.6 percent from 1994 to 2004, compared to 7.1 percent for the other 32 states.

Finally, although the U.S. illegal immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent. So, more illegal immigrants does not equate to more crime.

Critics accuse the federal government of doing nothing about illegal immigration. But there are more Border Patrol officers now on duty than ever before, and heightened enforcement has been a significant factor in reducing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

The law is also going to make the economy in Arizon worse. Tourism has taken a hit:

Since the state passed the nation’s toughest immigration law three weeks ago, its meeting and events business has fallen drastically.

Hispanic civil rights groups are boycotting Arizona and urging others to do the same. Officials at the National Council of La Raza, one of the groups driving the boycott, had privately asked the RNC not to meet in Phoenix.

The city risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to city estimates released Wednesday. The state’s hotel and lodging association has counted 23 canceled meetings for a loss of between $6 and $10 million. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the largest city to join the boycott.

More than anything else, the poll shows how emotional an issue immigration is in this country — and the reason few politicians have any stomach for dealing with it.

662 comments Add your comment

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:12 am

After the Kennesaw State girl who’s in the country ILLEGALLY and still taking classes, I’m all for it! Go Arizona! People have to realize that something has to be done about the illegals. We have sooooooo many legal citizens who need jobs that the illegals are taking. The blame shouldn’t be placed on Arizona lawmakers. The blame should be placed on people who hire illegals instead of hiring legal citizens.

Granny Godzilla

May 13th, 2010
8:13 am

I guess, we won’t see immigration reform this year.

Can this process be broken down into smaller more manageable segments?
Can we secure the border first? Then deal with the rest?

How do we secure the border?

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
8:22 am

I’m not suprised at all when you look at the hate spilled on the blogs every day. They need someone to blame for the economy, financial and housing collaspe. They blame poor blacks for buying a home, hispanics for lack of jobs and both groups for crime.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:22 am

Every country has the right and mechanism (police or military) to do this very thing. This is nothing new. Go to Mexico, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey…it doesn’t matter, you will be stopped and asked for your papers if you don’t “look” like you are from there. This topic is pointless.

Funny how the droves of people turning out in protests happened so rapidly with so many people. Who is organizing all these people? Doesn’t seem to be a grass roots movement to me…more like astroturf.

goober pyle

May 13th, 2010
8:24 am

CT – It is NOT racial profiling – the new law was enacted to identify and/or remove illegals from the United States. If illegals want to live and work here they need to follow the laws required for citizenship or temporary status – you DO agree that these illegals are breaking the law by being here – don’t you???

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
8:24 am

The reason everyone or most everyone is for these profiling laws is the illegals have overstayed their welcome, they work to avoid the laws, they drive around without a license and/or no insurance etc.

Enough is enough. Get them out any way possible.

I support AZ!!

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:25 am

Sick and Tired—the HATE you speak of couldn’t possibly be toward conservatives or people who think differently than you, right?

Rick

May 13th, 2010
8:26 am

The effects of illegal immigration on local communities is undeniable. Just like the recent CBO projections of the new healthcare reform bill…well what do you know, the old estimates were gross underestimates of the true costs, just like the costs of illegal immigration.

When teachers are being cut, why are we tolerating illegal aliens and their children within our communities? Just how many children of illegal aliens are being taught in our local schools and what is the cost to local taxpayers? How does it affect the education that children of US citizens are receiving?

The case of Jessica Coloti is a current one and shows just urgent the problem is and makes it clear that the federal government has refused to secure our borders and protect not only US citizens, but the tax resources that are collected in their behalf!

In a recent local article; Dr. Dan Papp, the president of KSU, issued a press release stating that the university is “thrilled” that Ms. Coloti will be able to continue her studies in the midst of proposed cuts to KSU’s state budget to include laying off or eliminating 224 positions and reducing the number of freshmen and transfer students by 10 percent. Funding for the Siegel Institute, the Burruss Institute, the Center for Excellence in Teaching, the Kennesaw State University Press, and the Collegiate Recovery Center would be eliminated. Selected degree programs in education, business, humanities and social studies also would be cut.

Some of the larger questions are: How does the school bypass state law? How many people have been laid off and positions eliminated since 2008? How many illegal aliens are enrolled in KSU?

It cost local taxpayes $10,000 to educate each child. It only takes 100 children of illegal aliens to reach the $1 Million mark. That is enough money to provide jobs for 8-10 of these teachers that are being cut from our schools. Large school systems like Cobb and Gwinnett might have 30,000 or more children of illegal aliens!

These same schools are overcrowded or local school systems have been forced to build new schools at tremendous cost to accomodate the influx of the children of illegal aliens.

Firm but Fair

May 13th, 2010
8:26 am

Unfortunately Granny, I think that is a good question with no good answer. However, we have to do something regarding illegal immigration. We have more and more people taking advantage of public services, without contributing to their existence. I couldn’t agree more that we must secure our borders first, and then develop a plan to citizenship for those who would like to become citizens.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:26 am

Cynthia, what is your suggestion on how we deal with illegals? How do you suggest we control the borders? All you’ve done the past week or two is complain about laws being put in place to help with the problem of illegal aliens. What’s your solution?

T-Town

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

“the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent”

I guess we all should be happy, unless your one of the statistics.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

Even if AZ goes “broke” due to this silly boycott, the gubment will bail them out, right?

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

Call if racial profiling, call it persimmon salad, call it whatever ya want. Just get them out or toss them in jail. Put their anchor babys in a US or Mexcian orphanage until PawPaw and Mamasita can go retrieve them.

Get them out any way possible…I support AZ!!!

TommyJack

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

It’s NOT that complicated. Secure the borders first. (yes, they can)
Then move on to a plan for citizenship, guest workers, etc. Without securing
the borders, no plan makes sense. Problem is, Congress has no stones.

Terrence

May 13th, 2010
8:29 am

**Can this process be broken down into smaller more manageable segments?**

HELL NO! The majority of Americans wanted the healthcare bill broken down into smaller more manageable segments. The dems said HELL NO! Same goes for immigration.

It’s only fair.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
8:30 am

These illegals seem to forget they are GUESTS in this Country. Their arrogance factor is off the charts and they have become outright defiant. Where was INS during these demonstrations?

INS shouldve shown up with the paddy wagons and arrested them by the ton.

I SUPPORT AZ!!

Joel Edge

May 13th, 2010
8:31 am

I am amazed that the city of Los Angeles is calling for a boycott. They are basically siding with criminals. Hopefully this boycott will turn out like the SC boycott. A whole lot of nothing.

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2010
8:37 am

Peadawg,

The blame lies squarely on our Congress and our judicial for not enforcing our laws. It also lies squarely on the shoulders of the last few presidents we have had who did not have the kahunas to step in and do the right thing. All of them want the latino vote. Another example of where our elected officials will be the death of this country yet.
We could stop the influx of illegals if we so desired. Many other countries control their borders very effectively and some even shoot those who would cross the line illegally. They worry little about “profiling” and more about their own security. Even the thought of not being able to ask someone about their legal status to be in this country because of some silly notion that it might hurt their feelings is absurd. This isn’t the Today show or Regis and Kelly. These are people who are hell bent on gaining a foothold in this country politically to further their aims. And our legislators are letting them get away with it!!!!
How do we secure our borders? We start shooting a few of these “poor, unfortunate felons”, especially the drug gangs and repeat offenders. We station the National Guards of the states of Texas, Arizona, California and New Mexico on the borders with orders to shoot to kill if anyone crosses our borders without authorization. We tell the Mexican president, who is so concerned with the “rights” of his citizens that if he doesn’t take steps to keep them at home, the shootings will continue and he might be next. If they shoot back, we declare war on those who would invade our country illegally. They have figured out long ago that we are so soft on this issue that we won’t do anything about it. The more latinos who establish themselves in this country, the more of an issue it will become. We have several presidents to thank for this fiasco, from Carter to Bozo. None of them had the balls to stop it.

goober pyle

May 13th, 2010
8:40 am

kayaker – I could not have said it any better!!!!

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:40 am

kayaker71, how about a fence + electricity? That would probably add a couple thousand jobs in Texas, Arizona, etc.

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
8:41 am

God does not recognize the term illegal, we are all members of the human race , set-up a Ellis island type post on the border to process the masses and welcome all Latinos to enter, just as European immigrants were welcome…..

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:43 am

Worthington, and I’m sure you’ll be one of the first to welcome them into your home and help them out until they can make it by themselves, right?

King of All

May 13th, 2010
8:43 am

As long as they are not bothering me I am fine with it. It will only be a problem to me if it hits close to home. I am a Great American!!!

T-Town

May 13th, 2010
8:44 am

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

But, our hipprocracy (sic) only goes so far. We want all to come legally.

Mallory

May 13th, 2010
8:44 am

Unfortunately we can’t go back to square one. Filter through the illegals. Those who have been productive citizens pay a hefty fine, get a work permit good for three years, during which time, they are required to learn english and what it is that constitutes being an American citizen. Only after they’ve met the requirements do they get full citizenship. If, after three years, they haven’t bothered to learn they’re out. They should also be required to expose another known illegal. The fine (paid up front) goes towards the cost of completing the border fence.

Rex

May 13th, 2010
8:45 am

“racial-profiling” is not even a eral term ! It was made up by Liberals. The correct law enforcement term is simply “profiling” It also WORKS.
It can be any type profiling to seek out common denominators for perps. We are NOT being over-run and invaded by blonde haired blue-eyed Swedish people, we are being taken advantage of, and assaulted in many ways by ILLEGAL MEXICANS ! Period. It would take a complete FOOL to miss this point. Or a leftist idealogue who only cares about political-correctness and upping the amount of folks who may vote democrat one day. The Left including CT lie about this law every single day. As for boycotts, how bout sticking up for whats right and dont worry about the money.
And Cynthia, have you EVER done your homework on how Mexico deals with Illegal Aliens ? Lets hear about that, then tell me why we should give Mexicans criminals different treatment ?

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
8:47 am

I am supposed to believe even though there is no crime problem and the economy will take a big hit, Arizona did this just to annoy folks? Your liberal logic has failed you again. Your article makes is sound like the state just passed the law for no other reason than “harassment of the Spanish-speaking”. That makes no sense.

Russ555

May 13th, 2010
8:49 am

I thought police already had a duty to question people when they have reasoable grounds to suspect they were illegal, or had committed any crime.
Just don’t see that this law changes anything.
Nothing in the law says they can engage in racial profiling, or stop people without reasonable cause to suspect a crime has been committed.
That’s what the police are supposed to do.

melvin polatnick

May 13th, 2010
8:50 am

The nation can survive very well if law enforcement officers were prohibited from stopping and searching a pedestrian. Most of the searches are done only for the purposes of finding illegal drugs, those searches could be handled on the property of the suspect with a court issued warrant. The stopping and frisking of illegal immigrants for ID is wrong when it can be done in their place of employment. Public areas are sacred and being told to freeze and having to put the hands against a wall should be unlawful. It is true that police powers would be limited and criminals harder to catch if the powers of search and seizure were directed only to those on private property, but making a cop work harder to make a bust makes life easier for everybody.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:51 am

The most idiotic thing about these boycotts is they are putting legitimate documented latinos out of their small businesses. Take a poll to see how 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation Mexican CITIZENS feel about the new law. They are ALL FOR IT. They did it the right way and they are suffering because of those who are breaking the law. This is a spit in the face to Mexican American citizens who uphold values and honor.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
8:52 am

Russ555 – the state did not have the ability to do what the feds could, so Arizona passed a law saying they could. That is what they are so upset about. Makes no sense.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:54 am

Well said, Drawling Black Lines!

Joel

May 13th, 2010
8:54 am

It is interesting how DC has chosen just to ignore the issue- if you ignore it, it will go away? I assume there aren’t enough lobbying $s available to get traction. We are not doing anyone a favor by ignoring. I am a little suprised that the article says “racial profiling” when it is clear that the Arizona law that was finalized followed the existing Federal law. Anyway, Mexico has as many resources as the US and Canada (natural and human capital) and needs to move more rapidly from emerging market to stabilization and the US needs to quickly get a plan together working publically with the Mexican gov’t- no other special interests.

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
8:56 am

Joel, Two things: First, the ARiz law does not follow existing federal law. Existing law requires all legal residents to carry green cards. It does not suggest racial profiling. Second: How could you say Washington is ignoring the issue? A bill failed in 2007. STill, Harry Reid and others have talked about bringing it back up this year, despite the fact that he knows there are not enough votes to pass it.

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
8:57 am

Auburn Fan, You’re right: The law makes no sense

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
8:58 am

Yes, King of All, That’s the way most Americans feel: Profile somebody else.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
8:58 am

Joel – you are surprised that Cynthia used the word “racial profiling”? Well get used to it, she looks for controversy having to do with race.

Bob

May 13th, 2010
8:58 am

sick and tired, you must be flexible to have your head so far up there. “We”, the people that are not opposed to this law are not blaming blacks for buying houses, we are blaming politicians that caused the mess with Fannie and Freddie. How many more billions do they need and what was the consequence of Fannie and Freddie underwriting a Trillion in bad debt. We also are tired of illegals marching in our streets demanding rights knowing what some of our family members went through to get into this country legally. Cynthia, was it racist when my grandfathers family had to apply, proove they had sponsers and then come into this country a few family members at a time ? Can anyone calling this a racist bill ever remember boatloads of Germans running across the borders and demanding rights as illegal aliens ? If it is racist to believe Hispanics should apply for entry like our forefathers did, do you believe the process was racist to the euros that had to apply ?

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Kayaker71, the National Guard has been a little busy in Iraq and other places. Maybe if our entire military wasn’t tapped out we could spare a few troops, but it was all worth it to catch Bin Ladin, right?

We’ve been shooting at the drug lords and their armies for a long time. It hasn’t worked. It just creates MORE illegal immigrants as they try to escape OUR drug war. While I understand your frustration, more force will do nothing to solve this problem.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:00 am

And now Fanny/Freddie are in trouble again…stunning surprise.

Rex

May 13th, 2010
9:00 am

and of course Cynthia did NOT do her homework and wont reply to my post…..as usual

david wayne osedach

May 13th, 2010
9:01 am

Cynthia can you imagine just how expensive it will be to enforce the Arizona law? First the illegals will have to be arrested and jailed. Then go before a judge. Then deported. The procedures will take weeks. And it will be very expensive.

Old White Man

May 13th, 2010
9:03 am

Who are you people? Who are so willing to give up your own freedoms because you are afraid that you can’t compete with mostly uneducated, immigrants who can’t even speak the language. Whose fault do you think it is that employers choose to pay less to employ these workers and not you? Most Americans are completely unwilling to work these jobs anyway. The KSU student is a perfect example of the kind of immigrant that we have always welcomed in this country, despite being brought here by her parents without any choice on her part. As for illegal status in this country, I doubt that there are many if any of youthat have not

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
9:03 am

Don’t worry Rex, she hasn’t responded to my 8:26 either.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
9:07 am

OK this is the problem, If I understand what the controversy is:

“It also makes it a state crime — a misdemeanor — to not carry immigration papers. In addition, it allows people to sue local government or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.”

If we visit another country don’t we have to show a passport to enter? What is wrong with this?

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2010
9:07 am

ct,

Google up the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act, Section 8, USC 1324. It points out the specifics of what is lawful and what is unlawful under the United States Code. Arizona law closely mirrors what is in this act and was the model upon which the law was enacted.
The laws are on the books to effectively take care of this problem…. the problem is in enforcement.

Bob

May 13th, 2010
9:07 am

How about adopting Mexico’s border policy. I have heard that if you are from a southern country such as Guatamala, and you get caught illegally in Mexico, you are not going to be protected by liberal politicians if you march down the street demanding rights and carrying the flag of your home country. In other words, if we treated illegals like Mexico treated illegals, the ACLU would have their panties in a rather large wad. But, since it’s Arizona trying to keep the illegals out, the lib groups show their colors, and they seem to be red white and green.

Joel

May 13th, 2010
9:08 am

CT- with all due respect, what is important gets done. Query as to why is there not enough votes? Why is something so important not front and center? I would assume if you were in charge you would have worked both healhcare and immigration together. Little ol’ me has said all year health care reform without immigration reform is silly at best. Would like to hear more of the differences on AZ and fed law.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
9:09 am

Has Cynthia ever changed her position due to a post on a blog? No. Liberals don’t do that.

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
9:09 am

These same attitudes towards immigrants are seen throughout U.S. history, for example- no Irish need apply, they will assimilate and add to the great melting pot. Welcome to America, just as our ancestors were welcome…Peadawg, I certainly wouldn’t want you in my home, I’m trying to raise my kids to embrace acceptance of all and for all….

Granny Godzilla

May 13th, 2010
9:10 am

Why did the GOP select Florida over Arizona for their next convention?

John

May 13th, 2010
9:11 am

Oh man! These new poll results don’t fit the media narrative.

Rex

May 13th, 2010
9:11 am

true Peadawg….your question is over her head I reckon…
kayaker 71 : thats too much like homework…..CT only uses emotion and race-baiting, not logic, common sense or homework

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
9:11 am

Old White Man…this is a tired liberal talking point. Watch “Dirty Jobs” –No mexicans doing those jobs? Thats what I thought. Nice screen name

NY-Dave

May 13th, 2010
9:13 am

Ms. Tucker is correct when she said; “Never mind the racial profiling”, as over 90% of illegal aliens are from Mexico. Who are you going to check, non-Mexicans? Unfortunately, Ms. Tucker is wrong about crime. Arizona is the kidnapping capital of the US.

Most illegal aliens are nothing more than modern day slaves. How bold of people to support the illegal alien slave industry.

Shame on America, slavery ended when the 13th amendment was ratified in 1865.

So, who is the real racist, those who support slavery (illegal aliens) or those who are against it?
It’s time for the truth.

T-Town

May 13th, 2010
9:13 am

“Why did the GOP select Florida over Arizona for their next convention?”

For love and country, and it’s closer to Atlanta.

Rex

May 13th, 2010
9:14 am

Worthington: the Irish were not breaking any laws and they learned the language
they also did not commit crimes at a huge disproportional rate like the ones we have now who are slithering and slinking their way over the border
And there is nothing in history to suggest the Irish started kidnapping crime waves

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
9:14 am

@ Worthington “set up an Ellis Island” type system for Latino and Hispanic immigrants!?

Do you have any clue how many European immigrants were sent packing at Ellis Island simply because they looked like they lacked intelligence, or had an illness we didn’t want on our shores like TB, or didn’t have a trade where they could support themselves…?

If we set up an Ellis Island type system today the ACLU and every other human rights group would be screaming bloody murder. No thanks.

What we need to do is enforce the existing immirgration laws while making it easier for those with legitimate reasons to be here (study, harvesting crops, building houses, designing nuclear reactors…) to get work and study visas.

Illegal immigration is about human trafficking and often drug smuggling. We need to come down hard on the coyotes and drug smugglers along with those on our side of the border who enable it (employers who knowingly hire illegal labor and drug pushers/users).

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
9:15 am

The rancher that was shot in Arizona would disagree that violent crime is down. Well his family anyway.

misplaced

May 13th, 2010
9:15 am

It really takes no time at all to understand the border between the US and Mexico, all you have to do is open your eyes and see what is happening on both sides. Very powerful corporations control that border because they reap huge benefits in the US and Mexico.
By allowing undocumented workers in and placed in a shadow economy the corps have what they have always wanted “wage control” On the other side of the border deep in Mexico they also have what they have always wanted a poor population that is paid next to nothing making the things we need and consume. When a company leaves the US and “Near Shores” it operations to lets say Monterrey Mexico the price of those products does not fall to reflect the change in labor prices but in some cases may increase. The fact remains that a job paying 10 to 17 bucks an hour has left the US is now done by some poor person in Mexico for 5 bucks a day.

student27

May 13th, 2010
9:16 am

So we’re blaming immigrants for taking jobs that Americans wouldn’t want whether the opportunity is there or not? If you want those low paying degrading jobs then go get them. If you think you’re above them then quit whining about immigrants taking them. Somebody has to do them after all.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
9:16 am

Why did the GOP select Florida over Arizona for their next convention?

More bondage themed lesbian sex clubs?

Ponder

May 13th, 2010
9:17 am

Illegal is Illegal!! Others have somehow been able to comply with our immigration laws and process — end of discussion!!!

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
9:17 am

Rex, ever heard of the Irish mafia?

Joel

May 13th, 2010
9:18 am

I think it is easy to see from the blogs that no law is hurting everyone- including illegals who don’t appear to be held in high regard. Didn’t we get healthcare “reform” without enough votes? Didn’t top politicians risk their jobs for healthcare reform- or did they receive massive payoffs and promises which the illegals can’t afford and don’t have access?

Old white man- give me 5 jobs and I will fill them with good solid workers- the current generation is ready to work.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
9:20 am

Worthington—every country has been a nation of immigrants at some point….What’s your point? Try to spout that sappy rhetoric next time you go to China.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
9:20 am

“We need to come down hard on the coyotes and drug smugglers along with those on our side of the border who enable it (employers who knowingly hire illegal labor and drug pushers/users).”

Yeah, that whole War on Drugs is going so well! Let’s continue this smashing success!

I think CT isn’t responding because y’all have about three shared brain cells.

student27

May 13th, 2010
9:20 am

And thats meant for PEADAWG and REX.

Granny Godzilla

May 13th, 2010
9:20 am

Kamchak

That may not be too far from the truth. Tampa is famous for it’s strip clubs.

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
9:20 am

Draw the Black Line – I don’t spend my nights or days worrying about conservatives or anyone who thinks differently from myself. I just sit back and watch it all play out, because I can already see how it’s going to end.

You just keep drawing those black lines. :)

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
9:21 am

Cynthia – I think the reason most Americans think it’s a fine idea is their frustration with the ongoing situation with the crime associated with illegal immigration. Most often the undocomented immigrants are the victims of that crime. Even if the Arizona law is flawed (and it is being demonized by the left – its not as draconian as presented, resonable cause has to be shown by law enforcement) it is at least doing something. We have had administration after administration avoid doing something significant to protect people on both sides of the border. Meanwhile the drug lords, human traffickers and slave shop owners get away with murder.

There is a lot of frustration on the part of Americans regardless of political or ethnic background.

Richard

May 13th, 2010
9:21 am

The sad thing is that it’s so easy to solve the illegal immigration problem:

Step 1: Build a fence.

Step 2: Make it a felony to hire an illegal immigrant.

Step 3: Allow foreigners to apply for work visas (similar to student visas).

fcal25

May 13th, 2010
9:23 am

Get off the so-called racial profiling because “everyone” profiles others based on their appearance and culture.It’s a part of the evolutionary process of survial.

student27

May 13th, 2010
9:24 am

I understand that illegal mis illegal but thats not the end of discussion. Our constitutional rights are at stake because of this.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:24 am

There are plenty of bums in Woodruff park that “want to work” but just cant seem to find a job. Said bums could be used to replace the illegals in these “low paying” jobs.

We could bus them out to the fields or where ever needed, pay them the same as the illegals and allow them to use said pay for their food and lodging. The bums just need a hand-up, not an hand-out and this situation affords them said opportunity.

Im sure once the bus pulls up in Woodruff park and other bum infested areas there will be an ensuing riot as to which bums are allowed to board first vs those who didnt make the cut.

Two birds with one stone.

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
9:24 am

Free your mind and the rest will follow….

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
9:25 am

tp://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/sheriff-wants-to-re-526173.html
“Sheriff wants to re-arrest undocumented KSU student”

Woohoo! Send her back to Mexico!

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
9:25 am

@ Aquagirl – I’m not sure I should even respond to the insult… but I know what I’m talking about. I have personally been involved in helping Mexican families in Cherokee County who were being packed families at a time into double wide trailers and charged incredibly high rent by those who smuggled them into this country. They were the real victims. The contractors who used their labor, the coyotes who smuggled them and the criminals who took their cash for substandard living conditions should all be in jail for what they did. Meanwhile the families were too afraid to speak to anyone for fear of being turned in to the police or INS by their own abusers.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:26 am

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
9:20 am

No doubt you dont have to think about it. Your hatred is automatic reaction.

Dave R.

May 13th, 2010
9:26 am

Since there is NO racial profiling in this law, there is literally nothing accurate in your column this morning, Cynthia.

Except for the support of Americans.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:27 am

“Sheriff wants to re-arrest undocumented KSU student”

Lettuce hope he does and that right soon.

Prince, the artist formerly know as "the real ron mexico"

May 13th, 2010
9:27 am

As Robert Frost said, “Good fences make good neighbors”.

Joel

May 13th, 2010
9:28 am

CIS- only piece you are missing is spend (good use of taxpayer money) time to train the homeless and teach them job skills- often what people miss is that it is good to express sorrow for the less fortunate while you are downing your second glass of wine. Most folks want to work- some just don’t have access or know how.

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
9:29 am

Bob

May 13th, 2010
8:58 am

Bob it is very obvious where your head is stuck. I only wish that the indians had developed immigration laws long before Columbus “relocated” to America. :)

Leon

May 13th, 2010
9:29 am

So, a few legal Americans have to prove they live here when they get a speeding ticket or have an non-functioning blinker. Who cares? Time to enforce our laws and if it inconveniences a few people… oh well. I would have no problem demonstrating that I am a citizen if the police stopped me for speeding.

Whacks Eloquent

May 13th, 2010
9:30 am

What Arizona passed – profiling, yes; racial profiling, no. Hispanics are considered a race. Look at your Obama Census form…White; Black, African Am., or Negro; American Indian or Alaska Native; Asian Indian; Chinese; Filipino; Japanese; Korean; Vietnamese; Native Hawaiian; Guamanian or Chamorro; Samoan; Other Asian; Other Pacific Islander; some other race

Whoa! No Latinos! Say it ain’t so! No they are under a different section…”Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?” This is separate from race – it has to do with cultural heritage. There are Hispanic blacks and non-Hispanic blacks, whites and non-Hispanic whites, etc. Hispanic is not a race! So let’s at least be technically correct, the new Arizona law is NOT racial profiling, it is just profiling! And I don’t have a problem with it! If authorities are looking for a 30-something white guy who still has hair, that fits me! And that’s profiling! Why the hell should I have a problem with that? Get over it, you want safety? Profiling offers enhanced safety! Now if profiling led to unlawful apprehension and holding of all suspects without further warrant, that would be a problem. But we are talking about traffic stops, a minor inconvenience. If you’ve got nothing to hide, you are fine. If a Mexican or any other immigrant is here legally, I’d imagine they are proud of that little green card, and probably do carry it with them at all times!

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:31 am

Well S&T being as you are here, in the US, perhaps for the sake of the poor unfortuante indians you should board the first cruise liner out of here. As it stands you are part of the problem.

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
9:32 am

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:26 am

Only a hateful person would want the KSU student to be re-arrested. You should show some of that Christian love that is written in the bible. Or has the devil taken over your compassion for others.

student27

May 13th, 2010
9:33 am

Cynthia YOUR arrogance surpasses all of the illegals combined. As far as im concerned you were just lucky to be born in america. its because of people like you that other countries hates us. so give yourself a pat on the back. you’ve just won yourself the RUN YOUR MOUTH Award.

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
9:33 am

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:31 am

What part of the problem am I, since you know so much?

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:34 am

Law is the law my friend. The KSU student should take initiative to become legal or guest. The ball is in her court not mine or the States or the Feds.

Were you able to reach Travelocity? Im sure they have bookings available.

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
9:34 am

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore…..Send there, the homeless,tempest-test to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.” I guess some of you would like to add and slam the door shut once my ancestors cross the threshhold…..

Bob

May 13th, 2010
9:36 am

Worthington, You want policy in America based on “your” god. I am surprised your post was not deleted. I wonder how many that read and agreed with your post think their is a line in the constitution with the words “separation of church and state” ? What do want next, a national day of prayer for illegals ?

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:36 am

Demonstrate your hateful attitude. You wish the indians had immigration standards during the previous Anglo-Saxon invasion of North America.

By remaining here as a “retro” illegal alien, with your heart bleeding all over the floor, you are part of the problem.

Bye bye and enjoy your trip.

PS…I’ve packed your hate in 3 suitcases for you…

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
9:38 am

Sick&Tired, do you not know what the word, illegal, means?

Travis

May 13th, 2010
9:38 am

Cynthia Tucker is a moron for too many reasons to post.

Bob

May 13th, 2010
9:38 am

sick and tired, if you or I gave the police false info, would we get in any trouble ? I bet you use the term “equality for all” don’t you.

student27

May 13th, 2010
9:39 am

hey BOB. funny thing about your comment, it seems that back in the late 1700’s when americans didn’t lack moral fiber, this country was founded off of christian beliefs.

Rev Al Sharptongue

May 13th, 2010
9:40 am

If corporate America, which many of you cons support 100% would not hire these people where would they work?

I see pick up trucks in Gwinnett with old Bush stickers in the window picking up illegals at the home depot to help with their construction business. I drive down Howell Mill and see Spanish women pushing White babies down the street.
These same people vote republican, they only want the illegals they do not need to leave.

The youn lady at KSU is a prime example, one semester from graduating , plans for law school, and a member of campus organizations. She is a well rounded addition to America, but the bigots want to send her back because of the term illegal.

As a Blackman you do not have to say it for me to know what is racist.
It was racist for me to ride in the front of the bus or sit at a lunch counter previously.
I would have been breaking the law like Rosa Parks if I refused to move. And most of you right wingers would have said she broke the law and deserved to be in jail. and defended the injustice of the law.

Bigotry is Bigotry plain and simple you can mask it as law but we know how you people abuse laws for your racist benefit

Geoff Resnik

May 13th, 2010
9:40 am

Only Cynthia can make up crap like this. Of course we are for the new law in Arizona she ought to be thankful we do not have Mexico’s Law’s on immigration. Then again maybe we should treat illegal’s exactly like Mexico does.

blaylock

May 13th, 2010
9:40 am

What’s wrong is now right in this country. Thanks, all you brain-dead liberals!

JTK

May 13th, 2010
9:40 am

I’m racially profiled every single time I fill out a job application so affrimative action babies like Cynthia Tucker can get a job. I guess that’s not wrong, right? Dumb effing c-nt!

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
9:41 am

Asked @ 9:25, thank you for ignoring my insult. Now, no one is denying Coyotes are bad, but “let’s go after them” is still not going to work.

I actually think we are more on the same page of sympathizing with the people who are being used (illegal immigrants) and realizing the problem is with people who exploit them. However, this blog is currently filled with folks who prefer chest-beating over addressing the real problem: DEMAND for cheap labor (which they don’t seem to mind when buying $1.29 lb chicken,) and drugs. Blaming those darn Mexicans, who feed our nasty habits, feels so much better.

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
9:41 am

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:34 am

My ancestors were forced upon a slave ship long ago and there was no travelocity involved. So I guess you are stuck with me. However, it doesn’t mean that you are going to be successful at getting rid of people like myself or hispanics.

Everything that is happening in this country at this time is a reaction by a group of scared people; who can’t fathom the fact of being in the minority in the future.

You can pass all the laws you want, close the boarders and hide under the bed. I predict it will happen and possibly in the next decade.

Prince, the artist formerly know as "the real ron mexico"

May 13th, 2010
9:41 am

The native Americans did at least try to fight, but it was too late.

Rob

May 13th, 2010
9:42 am

If two fat Asian women wearing traditional Japanese garb robbed a bank, try to explain how police would catch these two without profiling. Would the “BOLO” alert simply say “Be on the lookout for two people who robbed a bank ……. ?”

the truth

May 13th, 2010
9:42 am

It’s simple.. THEY ARE ILLEGAL.

There are legal ways to migrate to the US (millions have done it) and illegal. How can any sane person rationalize illegal entry? It causes chaos, overwhelms communities, and allows criminals and the ability to pour in. There should be ONE legal method to enter the US.

Why is this such a radical idea to some? Cynthia, I’d like to hear your response.

A CONSERVATIVE

May 13th, 2010
9:42 am

JUST KNOW CYNTHIA DOES NOT LIKE ANY LAWS….just let anarchy rule…OPEN BORDERS….LETs have the DRUG RUNNERs have free access to our streets & homes.

Illegal alien

May 13th, 2010
9:43 am

An Immigrant is a person that comes to your country and becomes part of your country. It is not an illegal that comes in uses up your resources, sends your money back to his home and then goes home himself. There is a proper way to do everything. Diversity is division!

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
9:44 am

Bob

May 13th, 2010
9:38 am

Yes, Bob – you got me on that one. Although I know that we are only equal in Gods eyes.

A CONSERVATIVE

May 13th, 2010
9:44 am

DO NOT LOOK FOR LOGIC..& REASON….& SANITY & respect for the law from CYNTHIA..

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
9:44 am

@ Aquagirl – There are people on this blog who deserve ignoring. I wish they would go back to playing world of warcraft and leave the discussion to the adults. But that is a different thread altogether. ;-)

sugarfoot

May 13th, 2010
9:45 am

I only read your column every once in a while to see your strange perspective on the world. What happened to punishing people because they break the law!

USMC DAWG

May 13th, 2010
9:45 am

Cynthia, Where is the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT’s responsibilty in all of this?
Read their imigration laws and tell me again that we are somehow “cruel”.
Your ignorance, naivete, and intellectual dishonesty are mind boggling.
-just saying

ck hall

May 13th, 2010
9:46 am

Ha Ha–Even the liberal press is amazed at the real America and it’s support of Arizona law! Boycott? Who cares?

student27

May 13th, 2010
9:46 am

Truth is right. But it wouldnt hurt to lighten up on the process of becoming legal. i mean they are expected to know things that half of us true blue americans will never know about are own country.

Michael

May 13th, 2010
9:46 am

First of all ‘Sick&Tired’ what does Christian love have to do with anything? That girl has been lying since she came to this country. And while other AMERICAN students are paying out of state tuition she wasn’t. She also lied to police when she was stopped. Enough is enough. This is a country of laws and it’s about time we inforced them.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:47 am

S&T…I couldnt careless whether you stay, go or how you got here. My posts were in response to your hatred, the chip on your shoulder, your “retro” illegal alien status brought to our attention by yourself and your bad attitude.

Eveyone has their own cross to bear and the sooner you begin accepting responsiblity for yourself the happier you will be.

Sit down that bag full of self-hatred.

HRPufnstuf

May 13th, 2010
9:47 am

A law saying illegals are illegal. What’s wrong with that, Cynthia?

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
9:49 am

@ Aquagirl – “Go after them is not going to work”

There has been some success in the war on drugs by cutting off the supply of ingredients that are used to create Meth. The Mexican drug cartells were cooking and selling potent stuff here in the US (no Mexican labs required) and the Feds finally targeted their raw chemical supply. When the purity of the product went down so did the high addiction levels in the US.

You are correct it is not as simple as “just go after them” but the whole war has not been a failure. We don’t do enough to punish those who use illegal labor. With e-verify there is no excuse for hiring people who aren’t here on a work visa or citizens. It can be done. A local Atlanta home builder I know insisted his employees and his contractors employees were legally allowed to work in the US and his contstruction quality and supply of labor were very good.

AJmes

May 13th, 2010
9:49 am

Simply put, this is all about racism. No one will ever stand up and say it, but it is. I’m tired of all the rhetoric about the strain these people put on the economy and the crime. Please!!! First of all most of these people are harder working than the racists who are trying so hard to put them out. They take jobs that most of us would not want to do. And while most of the money they make may be sent back home, what about the money that they pump into the economy. They purchase goods an services just like all you good ole patriotic Americans do!! Most of these people come here because they want something better for themselves and their families. That is the same process that populated this “great nation” after it was stolen from the Native Americans.
And the next argument is about the government services that they take advantage of. Once again, give me a break. Donald Trump is a billionaire who has benefited multiple times from gov’t services and hand outs. It’s called bankruptcy!!! That is a government handout!!! Ok, I can understand the need for people to be here legally, but this law is not the way to achieve that goal. This law is indeed racial profiling, no matter how you dress it up!!

On another note, Cynthia I would like to thank you for the insightful articles that you right. Please keep doing what you do because there need to be voices of reason and truthfulness in the midst of all the hate anger that are being spewed in this country right now.
THANK YOU!!!

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:49 am

“Set down…”

student27

May 13th, 2010
9:49 am

CYNTHIA why dont you give some reasoning for your idiotic posts before adding more of your stupidity to this discussion?

AJmes

May 13th, 2010
9:50 am

Sorry, Cynthia, that is write. :-) I’m at work!

joe

May 13th, 2010
9:50 am

Did you happen to see all the counties announcing teacher layoffs over the past few days? A big contributor to that outcome is illegal immigration. Our public school classrooms are growing fast and a big reason why is when illegals set up shop and immediately start popping out families with 5 or more mouths to feed, it falls on our public schools to educate them…wait for it…for FREE. Because they are working illegally (i.e. not on payrolls, thereby not paying taxes) they are only takers not givers to our system.

See California basically bankrupt today because there are way too many takers and not enough givers in their state. So, sure, open up the borders and let another 5 or 10 million in…see where we are with another 10 years of this problem…Have a nice day!

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:51 am

Ajmes and the “poor” indian scenario…old, tired and laughable at best.

A CONSERVATIVE

May 13th, 2010
9:51 am

Ms..LIBERAL…WASN’t AFFIRMITIVE ACTION..racial profiling..black students with low GPAs got preference in most colleges….LIBERALs pick & choose when racual profiling is OK..

getting tired

May 13th, 2010
9:51 am

illegal is illegal — please have these people follow the existing laws; however if I was from another country and saw a way to significantly improve not only my livelyhood but my family’s also — there would be no way you could keep me out of this country. I would be like the hispanics on Buford highway — walking around with a pregnant wife/girlfriend. legalize drugs (Like Holland) and that would cut down on a lot of the Narco Terrorists.

Scout

May 13th, 2010
9:52 am

MOVING TO MEXICO

May 13th, 2010
9:52 am

Dear President Obama:

I’m planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We’re planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and we’ll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas, and laws.

I’m sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I’m on my way over?

Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. Please print all Mexican government forms in English.

4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but I don’t plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won’t make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U.S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

14. I want to receive free food stamps.

15. Naturally, I’ll expect free rent subsidies.

16. I’ll need Income tax credits; so although I don’t pay Mexican Taxes, I’ll receive money from the government.

17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov’t. pays $4,500 to help me buy a new car.

18. Oh yes, I almost forgot: please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I’ll get a monthly income in retirement.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico.
I am sure that President Calderon won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help. You’re the man!!!

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
9:52 am

Bob, I don’t recognize the word illegal, were all God’s children or evolutions children if you prefer, I pray for everyone, and acceptance for all….

Cobb Woman of Color

May 13th, 2010
9:53 am

We should support vigorous enforcement of immigration laws. Latinos want African-Americans to support their agenda, but the record shows little reciprocity. Mexican-Americans refused to stand with African-American civil rights groups during the sixties. In those days, Mexican-Americans protested their own segregation because they wanted to be regarded as white. In other words, Mexican-Americans didn’t fight to abolish white privilege; they wanted to get the same white privilege! When the civil rights era ended and affirmative action opened some doors, all of a sudden Mexican-Americans weren’t white anymore. Blacks should be careful who stands to gain in this immigration problem.

Illegal alien

May 13th, 2010
9:53 am

Racism, racism, racism, give that boy a crying towel.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
9:55 am

AJames- some of this is about racism. And its obvious from some of the posters here.

However, even as a pasty white guy who’s ancestors came over on the Mayflower… I still find the racist attitides disguisting. I would celebrate any one of my kids marrying into a hispanic family – by and large the hispanic and Latino cultures are family friendly and faithful.

My objections to allowing the status quo with illegal immigration have a lot more to do with the cost to the immigrants, the load on our social services (if given work visas, legitimate jobs and health insurance our emergency rooms would be better off and so would the immigrants) and the crime lords that are enabled by ILLIGAL immigration.

Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and even Georgia have a wonderful dynamic Hispanic culture- I’m all for that and I appreciate having a very diverse community.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:55 am

In other words, Worthington, you and all others are above the law. Hmmm…I like it!!

Golf

May 13th, 2010
9:55 am

Funny how all the idiotic lefties manage to TOTALLY ignore the immigration/work laws in other countries, such as Mexico. We’re a country represented by weaklings who live their lives in fear of offending criminals like illegal immigrants. Liberalism is wrong, plain and simple. It’s about defending the indefensible and despising everyone you disagree with.

Illegal alien

May 13th, 2010
9:57 am

Colored woman from Cobb, what part of Africa are you from? You see everytime you put a hyphen in fron of America you are segregating. Diversity is division.

Carnivore 69

May 13th, 2010
9:57 am

Cynthia, why does it surprise you that most people favor the new law? I think most polls show the numbers are more like 70/30. Profiling is not illegal; every other country does it.

This is a classic case of the liberal media throwing a fit and trying to create controversy, when the real controversy is why we let all these people in the country in the first place. It is only controversial if we DON’T try to throw them out, or make them become citizens the right way.

I think the biggest problem is that the liberals still don’t get that the word “illegal” actually means “against the law”. Arizona is taking action to fix their problem, when the federal government would not.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
9:58 am

ILLIGAL = ILLEGAL pardon my spelling disability… heh.

Whacks Eloquent

May 13th, 2010
9:58 am

Moving to Mexico @ 9:52
LOL – awesome!

Blue

May 13th, 2010
9:59 am

Peadawg; really? You expect her to have a solution???? THAT would be something. The link I clicked on for this article said “Bewildering support of racial profiling”. The only thing that is bewildering is that CT still has a job.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
10:00 am

The KKK and Millitant Brothers need to take their peeing contest somewhere else so the adults can blog.

David Staples

May 13th, 2010
10:00 am

Cynthia, with the first couple of sentences I can only assume that you’re against the Arizona law, correct? If that’s the case, could you please present an alternative plan so that my tax dollars and yours aren’t going to pay for the education of people who don’t contribute to the tax base themselves?

Secondly, did you know that Mexico already has this same law in effect? Is Mexico racist as well? Should we all boycott Mexico?

If people want to move to the United States, let them do it through the channels that have already been established. There’s a process already in place to handle these requests. Are you really okay with setting the precedent that if you don’t like the law you don’t have to follow it?

Just Tex

May 13th, 2010
10:00 am

Despite your, and all the other lies, falsely proclaiming that Arizona’s SB 1070 calls for “racial profiling”, 62% of all Americans (and growing) support Arizona’s new law. And the right of Arizona, and every other state, to protect themselves from the hoards of often times violent and criminal illegal immigrants, that are flooding across our southern border daily

Jeanjeanie

May 13th, 2010
10:01 am

Building a fence will help but many illegals come on visas and just don’t leave. We are also putting to many foreign students in our best schools. If you’re an American trying to get into UCLA forget it. At least 40% are foreign students, mostly from mainland China. Our own students struggle to compete because they are not given a decent education in K-12 because the teachers are spending to much time with those illegals and anchor babies that don’t speak English. It is a real problem. We are literally giving the country away while our politicians try to turn the USA into the United Nations as we become one big world of people.

Arizona is at least taking this crap on and hopefully more states will follow. But one of the best things that Arizona did was outlaw MEChA in their schools. That is the most hateful organizations I have ever come across in my life. Our taxes are paying for classes that teach student how to hate this country and be anarchists. Yes, find out for yourself what MECha is all about.

Jeramy

May 13th, 2010
10:02 am

People have to show their Driver’s License or picture ID at bars, road blocks, during traffic stops, etc. Why is this any different? And by the way, the intent of this law is to get the Mexican drug cartels out of our country and make things safer for the US border.

Maybe if the federal government would do something about the border violence, Arizona wouldn’t have had to pass this law.

I know there may be some targeting involved in this, but last time I checked there weren’t any French or Canadian drug cartels killing innocent people in the US…

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
10:02 am

I think the biggest problem is that the liberals still don’t get that the word “illegal” actually means “against the law”.

And I think the biggest problem that conservatives don’t get is that these “illegals” have building the very homes that they have resided in for the past thirty years, yet only now has their poutrage surfaced.

We need illegals

May 13th, 2010
10:03 am

If we don’t have illegals, who is going to cut my lawn, clean my house, or move my furniture????

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
10:03 am

@ Asked, meth addiction levels have dropped? Do you have a link? I find that hard to believe. If so, it’s only because Americans have moved on to their next drug of choice.

I absolutely agree we need to address the hiring of illegal immigrants. The INS was doing that back in 1998. A GA Representative by the name of Saxby Chambliss stopped them. And what happened? These screaming wingnuts elected him to the Senate. The same folks who are currently bashing CT for her current column.

Idiots.

IRISH-AMERICAN? NO. AMERICAN.

May 13th, 2010
10:03 am

My ancestors were immigrants and went through the system to become Americans. I find it great that we still have immigrants coming to our country, but all I ask is that the come legally. Our country is putting more burdens on our people and yes, we can help them out, but we cannot carry those who have never carried or will carry their share of the load for the infrastructure of this country. It’s about hate….hating seeing a great country become less great because of the stress non-tax paying citizens.

AJmes

May 13th, 2010
10:03 am

And to all you people to love to blame this on the current administration, where were you when all this was occurring with the previous administration? It’s amazing how all this anger surfaces now. Republicans ran this country for the previous 8 years, why is it in the current mess that its in? None of you will ever admit it, but there is an underlying reason for all this new found anger, Hmmmm……… I wonder!! You people are SAD!

BugKiller

May 13th, 2010
10:04 am

YET MORE DISINFORMATION FROM THE FAR LEFT CYNTHIA TUCKER!!!

WHERE in the law is racial profiling?

Umm… when pulled over for traffic violations, WHAT IS THE FIRST THING THE COP ASKS YOU FOR, BLACK, WHITE, BROWN, OR PURPLE???

Could it be your ID and your INSURANCE???

Cynthia, like others of her ilk, LOVE illegal immigrants. Why?

Because illegal immigrants have babies in this country, meaning those babies are American citizens.

THEN, because those illegals are always poor, they must survive off of the government teat.

Meaning, the survive off of big government social programs.

Meaning, their kids are overwhelmingly going to become big government DEMOCRATS.

Cynthia Tucker hates this law because it will negatively impact the numbers currently being born into the Democratic Party.

That in itself is a kind of racism. She only sees these people as future voters to HER line of thinking. Nothing else. She doesn’t care how many people are killed by illegal immigrants. She doesn’t care how the economy is effected. She doesn’t care about the 300% rise in kidnappings in AZ.

All she cares about are all of the babies these people are going to have that will grow up to be Democrats.

Also, Mrs. Tucker, you’re so FULL of crap when it comes to profiling.

Profiling keeps terrorists off of airplanes. WHO is going to be the most likely suspect of terrorism? The little old white lady? Or the Pakistani exchange student?

Profiling catches serial killers. WHO is going to be the most likely suspect in a serial killer case? The black woman? Or the WHITE MIDDLE CLASS MAN???

Profiling is GOOD. If it were up to YOU, we’d have planes being blown out of the sky every day and the RTK and Green River killers would have never been caught.

Shame on you for your lies.

JZ

May 13th, 2010
10:04 am

What Cynthia fails to mention is the enormous drain on our society brought on by the invasion of illegals via public schools, public health and criminal justice. We’ve simply been told that we shouldn’t resent this invasion for such a long time that politicians are having a difficult time understanding the sudden growth of a backbone by the public. Wake UP – we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it any more!

Rev Al Sharptongue

May 13th, 2010
10:05 am

JTK

May 13th, 2010
9:40 am

I’m racially profiled every single time I fill out a job application so affrimative action babies like Cynthia Tucker can get a job. I guess that’s not wrong, right? Dumb effing c-nt!

The fact that you fill out applications instead of sending a resume shows how far down you are on the job chain. No one is taking your job, you just lack the qualifications stop playing victim and blaming other races for your failures.

You prefer the good ole days when being white was enough to get the job, no matter how stupid you were. Now you have to compete fairly against other races and find yourself inadequate.

Illegal alien

May 13th, 2010
10:05 am

I think Liberals have a problem with authority!

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
10:05 am

“The KKK and Millitant Brothers need to take their peeing contest somewhere else so the adults can blog.”

As usual *yawn* its only the KKK and Militants (spelled w/one l). LOL…typical, old, boring and tired…give us some new material!!

cgatlanta

May 13th, 2010
10:06 am

I’m going to Phoenix and Nogales for business next week. I’ll be happy to prove my citizenship. I will have the proper documents since I have some sense of personal responsibility.

Mikey

May 13th, 2010
10:06 am

Well Cynthia, the responses on your blog topic today should tell you where most Americans stand on this. It should also be an indicator that the media needs to report what is really going on because the people already know it. Immigration laws have to be enforced. We cannot absorb millions into a system that is already shaky at best.

Is it 2012 yet?

May 13th, 2010
10:06 am

I have noted several post from above that ask the question to CT..What is your plan or solution for this problem, so far……………………………………..
I agree with the AZ law, but I am open to suggestions, as I am sure the Az citizens are as well

Reality Check

May 13th, 2010
10:07 am

Some of you people are whack jobs. His an idea- its against the law period. So when you break the law you get punished. How dare someone ask for proof that you are actually not breaking the law. Why do we ask for drivers license? IIs that mean and racist too? How about you come to this country legally and do it the right way.

A CONSERVATIVE

May 13th, 2010
10:07 am

LETs FACE IT…Liberals dislike the CONSTITUTION when they are in power… & the LAW…ILLEGALS will vote for freebies & the democrats…that is where CYNTHIA stands on the issue…..HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROFILING.

Illegal alien

May 13th, 2010
10:07 am

If it weren’t for double standards, liberals wouldn’t have any standards at all!

Bob

May 13th, 2010
10:08 am

Student, you are quite correct, back in the 1700’s we did not have liberals running around saying things like Separation of church and state. Now we have had years of this but some libs now want to say things like ” their are no illegals, we are all god’s children”. So my point is that they can’t have their cake and eat it to.

Just Tex

May 13th, 2010
10:08 am

Based on your type of delusional and irrational lies, falsely proclaiming that Arizona’s SB 1070 promotes “racial profiling”, the Los Angeles City Council has approved a boycott of Arizona.

LA, and all of California’s long time and still growing nihilism has fueled their stubbornness and their stupidity, for decades. It has allowed them to ignore that they were being overrun, overwhelmed and made bankrupt, by the enormous cost’s of illegal immigration.

Now, the problem has become so large and so blatant, that the political conditions have deteriorated into a one sided situation, that is wholly in favor of the illegals! Of course this has all been at the expense of tens of millions of legal citizens.

That condition is so bad today, that hundreds of thousands of legal citizens, along with their productive tax paying jobs and business ventures are fleeing both LA and the state of California, so fast, that the city and the state are hemorrhaging from loss of revenue.

As if that weren’t enough of a self created dire emergency situation, California is about to lose one, and perhaps two U.S. House of Representative seats, following the 2010 census realignment.

But even with all that going on, and all the associated troubles those problems create, and will undoubtedly continue to exacerbate, the LA city council doesn’t have anything better to do than posture and play identity politics, by threatening and harassing a nearby state that is trying to prevent themselves from also being overwhelmed by the same sustained flood of illegal immigrants!

Today, the once mighty but suicidal California is dying of the poison of illegal immigration, they gladly ingested for decades. She is shaking and down on her knees, and crying out for even MORE federal handouts! With all that so we must ask ourselves, can America afford to bail out California?

The answer is no. And California will die. Bankrupt, she will be stripped of her congressional delegation, and become a temporary U.S. protectorate, with an appointed Governor and governing body.

Only then, fittingly, can California begin to rise again, like the Phoenix, the Phoenix that California’s politburo style leaders of today, loath today.

Steve

May 13th, 2010
10:09 am

What part of illegal is not understood? Illegal alien–a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, esp. a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson.
What part of hard work do Americans not understand; I have farmed; raised chickens, milked cows. Wait a minute I am white; the Republicans say we don’t do that…oh, but the democrats call it profiling. Sounds like a bunch of rich scumbags living off of my tax money that don’t belong in congress anyway. Can’t find my Social Security Money? It’s probably in that research project to send Ants to Jupiter to survive in that bright Orange Spot. We call this education???? May God have mercy on our GREEDY people.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
10:10 am

The KSU student’s passport expired in 2007. It was her responsibility to renew it. Technically she wasn’t illegal before 2007 but she is now.

JTK

May 13th, 2010
10:10 am

Rev Al Sharptongue, your name says it all. Yeah, I lack qualifications. College degree, 12 years of working experience. Grow up with your b.s. about wanting the old days. I think people should be judged by their qualifications, not the color of their skin. Affirmative action, also known as racial profiling, judges by skin but I guess that’s okay as long as minorities benefit, right?

Van Jones

May 13th, 2010
10:11 am

Cobb Woman of Color, isn’t that a copy and paste comment from yesterday?

California says it's wrong? Then it must be right.

May 13th, 2010
10:11 am

I only hope we can do more things that California can disapprove of.

Jose Cuervo the Illegal one

May 13th, 2010
10:12 am

The white women love us look around Buford. One is having my kid, who will be born an American. I gonna marry the mom get citizenship then divorce her and marry my sweetheart who will be here next year from Suarez.

Most of the white males I see drive through my neighborhood looking for meth and hookers, or someone to help landscape a house. They like the cheap labor some of us provide.

HAHA

May 13th, 2010
10:14 am

Its obvious CT wants to pick and choose which laws to enforce. The AZ law specifically bans racial profiling, and you must be caught in a criminal act before you are stopped. Lets just skim over those things though.

Thomas

May 13th, 2010
10:15 am

I live in Arizona, we voted its over. I don’t understand why everyone didn’t come out before the vote to help influence the oppositions position. Why wait till it is too late to protest?

Contractor

May 13th, 2010
10:15 am

Tucker,

I would really like to see you answer the question below please ma’am. Please try not to dodge the question like most of your Liberal mates in Washington, without padding your answer, and just off the top of your head. What is your solution?

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:26 am

Cynthia, what is your suggestion on how we deal with illegals? How do you suggest we control the borders? All you’ve done the past week or two is complain about laws being put in place to help with the problem of illegal aliens. What’s your solution?

Jeanjeanie

May 13th, 2010
10:16 am

I live in California, please don’t let happen to your state what has happened here. We are being torn apart as the Mexicans take over and demand everything from the land we stand on to control of our political system, while at the same time the liberals complain that we need to throw more money at the situation. It is so ugly. We’re not Americans here in California anymore, we’re what ever our skin color is.

My Solution

May 13th, 2010
10:16 am

All you have to do with every Illegal Alien caught in this country is send them to the border and make them build the border fence for free (just like a chain gang). Solve 2 problems at once. They want to work? We’ll put them to work!

b6542

May 13th, 2010
10:18 am

CT WTF. Read our Constitution. AZ has the right to protect their borders if the “Federales” will not….

luangtom

May 13th, 2010
10:19 am

CT have you seen how Mexico and other South American countries patrol and enforce their borders? Why is it so out of line for the USA to do just a part of that? Sovereign borders are needed. AZ is only doing what the Federal government has not done. I applaud them for that. We are a family of immigrants and to stand in line to apply for visas and proper paperwork is not asking too much of an individual to get here. The wait is also necessary, as it takes time to cover background checks and financials. Few of those millions already here illegally are here as asylum-seekers. Most all are here for financial reasons, period. So, do not condemn those that fear our over-taxed welfare and medical systems will soon fail. Push your savior Obama to fund and enforce what is already on the books. If it is not reasonable and humane, change it properly and you will have less states going ahead with enforcement of what the Federal government should be doing.

I Report/You Decide

May 13th, 2010
10:19 am

Cynthia, if hte Arizona law amounts to “profiling” (and FYI I don’t agree that it does) how would YOU solve the illegals issue? Oh wait, I know…another shamnesty bill, right?

HAHA

May 13th, 2010
10:19 am

Cynthia, queen of the morons

Contractor

May 13th, 2010
10:20 am

JTK,

Man, you said it all right there. I’m just glad there are others out there who can see it the way I do. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are making a fortune off their people by ranting and raving about topics that are so biased and one sided towards everyone that is white. Just like in the movie A Time To Kill.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
10:20 am

Not for nothing – but instead of debating whether or not this is racial profiling, let’s get to the important question. What is wrong with (racial) profiling? The concept of “profiling” is a statistical tool used to narrow down our logical targets and make the process of achieving a correct answer to a question more efficient. If I, as a white male, match the profile of a white male that just robbed a bank, well guess what…I am not going to be surprised if the cops question me while they pass up my black friend. It only makes sense.

Quit the debate about profiling – it is a tool, and like any tool can be used for good or for bad. As long as it’s use is justified by common sense and logic, then the debate is over.

Brad

May 13th, 2010
10:21 am

Nice cover for racism.

atlguy

May 13th, 2010
10:21 am

The most important aspect of American life is access to political power (ie voting and holding political office).
This power along with the border is what must be protected.
How do we do it?
Repeal the 1st clause of the 14th amendment of the US constitution. The original intent was met long ago and now only creates anchor babies for illegal families.

Shawny

May 13th, 2010
10:22 am

Build the wall. Pass the AZ law too. Get it done. It isn’t about profiling. It isn’t about being anti-immigrant. In one way or another, we are all immigrants.

It is about illegal entry, and getting the benefits of being Americans all the while cutting in line in front of those that are trying to get here legally. THAT IS ALL.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
10:23 am

Good morning all. Minor correction to the title, should read “Because of the Racial Profiling, Americans Support Arizona Law.” I think Americans general favor racial profiling as an element of law enforcement, and I think that collective wisdom generally creditable.

To the substance of the essay, I favor something close to open borders, but I do not find the Arizona law objectionable; seems to me to be a pretty reasonable balance between valid security needs and inconvenience to the public. I will note that my personal appearance may draw me into the ambit of racial profiling, but anyone who has to go through Hartsfield screening on a regular basis will be pretty blasé on the concept. I note, without further supporting words, a marvelous essay by Mary Anastasia O’Grady in the Monday WSJ (link: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703338004575229913566531720.html) wherein she cautions us to distinguish the Arizona drug criminals from the Arizona hotel maids, noting that “illegality” is not necessarily the distinguishing feature for identifying the undesirables.

Atlanta Native

May 13th, 2010
10:24 am

I had lunch with a drafter of the legislation. It is not profiling, there must be probable cause as to some other offense before they can be checked. It is perfectly acceptable.

I have no issue with guest workers, just comply with the law and register yourself and provide information. If the feds, under both Bush and Obama, are not going to enforce the law Arizona should.

If the feds were not enforcing anti-pollution laws, and a state stepped it, would that be an issue?

If the feds were not enforcing the ADA, and the state stepped in, would there be a problem?

If the feds were not enforcing national speed limits , and the state stepped in, would that be a problem?

If the feds were not enforcing child trafficking laws and the state stepped in, would that be a problem?

So when the states step in and enforce federal immigration laws regarding illegal aliens, it is a problem????????

PS – If a racist cop is going to profile people, he’s gonna pull over DWB’s and DWM’s regardless of the existence of this law.

I have African friends from Zambia who cannot get their son/brother into the country – but they are trying to do it leagally. Should he just sneak in and that will make it OK? Our paralegal was from Bolivia, but could not get her sister in legally. Does that mean she should break the law and come in? I want immigrants, legal ones, in all colors of the human skin rainbow. But the sneaks are cheaters who break in line above the people I see that want to bring in relatives who want to stay and be citizens legally.

WHEN IS IT EVER OK IN ANY CIVILIZED SOCIETY TO BREAK IN LINE?

Lynn

May 13th, 2010
10:25 am

People are not looking at the bigger Picture- Its called Racism-Racism is one group who thinks theya re superior to another using their power to control others through Politics, Education and Land. So lets see the first part Politics – Native Americans and Latino Americans who do look exactly alike are being made to show ID based on racial Profiling. Using Politics (signing into law) in order to exert power. Education- Getting rid of Cultural classes that make Europeans or the American government look bad. Do we also take out the Holocaust so that Europe and America dont look bad for their roles in the Genocide?Its US History. Now what else will they institute- If you are Latino then you must be housed in a certain area. I do think that Immigration laws need to be changed and I like the Idea by Democrats that the people here should learn English, Pay a Fine etc. because in theory there is no real way to kick out Millions of Illegal immigrants without using Military force which was done to Latin Americans in the 1900’s forcing some US citizens to also be set back by a mistake. In addition, if there should have never been an inequality in the amount of Visas issued to immigrants across the world. Example: 200,000 work visas and 50 to Jamaica lets be fair. So while I do understand the intent of Arizona they need to come up with better policy. T

gaboy

May 13th, 2010
10:26 am

CT, I am tired of the federal government taking my hard earned money to supply US Citizens´ benefits and rights to illegal aliens. Tell me where it says in the Constitution that you have the right to take my money to provide benefits to non US Citizens, (illegal aliens). We must elect new officials in Washington that understand the US Citizen comes first and not some potential, future voter that receives his rights through political malipulation. Surely, you understand laws of this country I hope? It is now time to remind you and others especiallly in Washington DC if you do not.

MAC

May 13th, 2010
10:26 am

It’s no more profiling than a DUI checkpoint. In fact, less so, because you have to be stopped for probable cause on a potential crime before you can be checked for immigration status.

Quit reading the DNC talking points and spend time doing an independent reading of the legislation.

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
10:27 am

First and foremost, “Racial Profiling”, “bigotry” and most other terminology have been watered down and essentially destroyed by being misused repeatedly by the Left. The words games are over and AMERICANS are seeing through the hypocrisy. Liberals should look in the mirror for someone to blame.

What may I ask is so “bewildering” about law abiding AMERICANS support of a LAW? One can only assume that those that support illegal immigration are law breakers themselves in some capacity. And yes, I can “throw stones” and there is no need to for me “walk in someone elses shoes” because I and many other don’t break and disregard laws.

“The youn lady at KSU is a prime example, one semester from graduating , plans for law school, and a member of campus organizations. She is a well rounded addition to America, but the bigots want to send her back because of the term illegal.”

Illegal is not a “term”. For YEARS this ILLEGAL young lady broke countless LAWS and FINALLY she is paying the price for her dishonesty and criminal behavior. Sorry, but those who ignore LAWS are NOT “well rounded additions” to America. I bet Sharptongue has broken plenty of laws, which should be investigated as well!

BEVERLY SALTER

May 13th, 2010
10:27 am

cynthia, you and all other liberals stir the pot to suit you…..the point is ILLEGAL, meaning breaking the law! They have to be breaking a law to be stopped, just as it stands now. What is the big deal…if you are not doing anything wrong you won’t be illegal. If you are illegal, you are breaking the law. Bottom line, jobs are just like the drugs. NO DEMAND, NO BUSINESS. NO LAW BROKEN! It is American citizens greed that draws them across the border. If a company is working an illegal alien they should permanantly lose their business license never to do business again. if there is no demand for workers or drugs……..no illegal visitors. if they truly want to be americans, they should go thru the proper proceedures, embrace america as the german and irish immigrants did and become americans. I welcome them with open arms but I want them to cling to the american flag if they want our milk and honey. The early immigrants didn’t demand to be treated separately and be called irish-american or german-american. They became Americans and were proud to be AMERICAN. Anyone who isn’t proud to be American can go live in Iran where they “really treat their women well”. Don’t come to Monroe County because the excuses don’t wash. We love our neighbors and watch out for each other because WE ARE ALL AMERICANS!

MAC

May 13th, 2010
10:28 am

No surprise that a majority of Americans support this.

Scooter (the Original)

May 13th, 2010
10:28 am

Most sane people realize that an entitlement culture (DNC), through the redistribution of wealth (DNC), that doesn’t control who accesses it (DNC & RNC), will implode. America already has to support a significantly sized pity party of aggrieved and entitled citizens (DNC), she can only handle so many.

MB

May 13th, 2010
10:30 am

There is clearly an issue that Arizona citizens are paying for the issues of citizens that are not only not Arizona residents but not United States citizens. I keep hearing differing reports on what is in this bill (which is not surprising being that we expect so little from our elected officials now to actually read the bills themselves instead of having a staff member read it and give a Cliff Notes version). I do not believe that you should be able to stop someone because they look foreign. I do believe that if the police question someone and they do not have paperwork and they are found to be illegal (whether Mexican, Canadian, German, whatever) then they should be immediately deported. Hopefully this was done as a overreaction to make the federal government take action (because it is their job). It does not matter to me what Mexico’s immigration policy is because we hope to be better than Mexico not pick up their same laws and government.

The new Immigration policy should be to first secure the borders. The next step would involve taking in any hardworking individuals you have from any country (with a skill set) but that country has to take two free loading natural born Americans. Our popualtion will decrease but we will be much more efficient and use less resources. Sounds perfect.

Get Real

May 13th, 2010
10:31 am

Go to Iran, North Korea, Venezula, Cuba and see what happens. They won’t be asking for proof. Your butt will be killed or thrown in jail and be forced to work! They don’t give you healthcare, welfare, social security, etc. The dirty bomb attack on America will more than likely be transported through Mexico through our unprotected border! The drug cartel and gang members are transporting drugs to major cities across America! STOP Illegal Imigration NOW!

Pat

May 13th, 2010
10:31 am

Regardless of how they are going about it, Arizona is doing something. I am all for it!

Strait Road

May 13th, 2010
10:31 am

Cynthia,

I was under the impression that you were in favor of race-based profiling. Are you not in favor of Affirmative Action? I thought all liberals favored profiling based on race. Or is it only acceptable when you reap the benefits of profiling?

Beelzebubba - Demon of the South

May 13th, 2010
10:32 am

I support Arizona. And why shouldn’t I?

facts are facts

May 13th, 2010
10:32 am

For every illegal immigrant arrested for drug trafficking, murder, rape, burglary, DWI, DUI, etc., one liberal should be arrested along with them. It’s because of liberalism that crime from these people is so rampant here. Excuses, excuses, excuses. It’s all you’ll ever get from the regressive left. ABOLISH LIBERALISM!!!!!

Get Real

May 13th, 2010
10:33 am

Look at what immigration did to the American Indians!!!!!!

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2010
10:34 am

Moving to Mexico,

Your comment is priceless. What about that, ct? Any comment?

Greg

May 13th, 2010
10:34 am

I never agree with Ms. Tucker, but you would think she would at least attempt to get her facts right. I just read the law. It does NOT contain racial profiling and actually strictly forbids it. It goes further to state that the law must be interpreted within the scope of the state and U.S. constitutions.
Just because you say it does not make it true.
Please read, then give your opinion.
Correction, please read the law (and not someone else’s comments about the law), then give your opinion.

ressee

May 13th, 2010
10:34 am

It’s easy to be sympathic and judgmental from a distance. I’ll bet you would feel different if you lived on the Mexican border. Why don’t you crucify Obama for ignoring the problem? Don’t give me that “comprehensive” crap!!!!

smitty

May 13th, 2010
10:34 am

Americans are sick of law-breakers using services they don’t pay for…it’s that simple

Get Real

May 13th, 2010
10:35 am

America needs to get back to their grass roots before Socialism takes this country over!

Rex

May 13th, 2010
10:36 am

student27: you seem to be conflicted…..some sensible points and some totally ignorant ones too
First off, WORK is not degrading, it is something to be proud of and “jobs Americans won’t do is a tired old fictional liberal talking point. I used to landscape, made good money and never felt degraded. Now you cannot live off landscaping unless you own the company because Ills have driven down the pay because they get it under the table and pay no taxes.

And I am blaming the Illegals for many many things Student: dumbing down our classrooms with kids who dont speak english, bogging down emergency rooms, not paying taxes, committing extremely high rates of crime, gangs, DUI at an alarming rate, leeching off our benefits like WIC and food stamps etc…etc…etc…

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
10:37 am

It’s because of liberalism Reagan’s 1984 amnesty program that crime from these people is so rampant here.

fyt

Richard Covington

May 13th, 2010
10:37 am

I applaud the courageous leaders of Arizona and their efforts to enforce a situation concerning the eviction of illegal aliens (who have NO rights in this country) that had destroyed the fiscal welfare of neighboring state California.

Illegals and crime> AZ rancher shot and killed by drug smugglers, , AZ policeman attacked by 12 illegals along border and left for dead, Mexican drug lord hit squad kidnaps and murder wedding party of 4 this past weekend.

It is time to seal the borders and instigate martial law in the border states. California has proven to be irresponsible in stating will boycott AZ business and their leaders (what a disgrace for the word ) will be demonized at all levels. This was at one time the United States of America but it appears anarchy and stupidity flamed by writers such as Cynthia will only continue to spew falsehood and racial blame crap to weaken our country further.

I am an American European who was born in France of American Military officers. I moved here in 1960 coming over on the USS United States and my first recollection was seeing the Statue of Libery in NYC Harbor. I maintain us Citizen and French citizenship all done with proper legal documentation.

I hope the Cobb Police do arrest and deport the illegal alien for lying to an officer and giving false information for the last 10 years!!!We can not afford to have lying “wanta be” lawyer in this country.

Lawabiding citizens be aware of ruthlessness and lies being rammed down our throats!!

Freedom First

May 13th, 2010
10:37 am

The reason why most of us support the AZ law is that we are sick and tired of the politics around this issue. We don’t support the legislation that Harry Reid and other propose since it allows people here illegally to stay. Illegal means “not in accordance with the law” meaning its criminal. Enforce the law, deport the illegals as any other country in the world would do. France would kick me out in a heartbeat if I was living there permanently without being there legally.

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
10:38 am

They use our schools, our roads, and hospitals and don’t pay for them. Its a simple fact.

I, along with a few other people I know, are planning trips to Arizona.

Van Jones

May 13th, 2010
10:39 am

Cool, the title on the AJC homepage changed. It’s no longer bewildering.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
10:40 am

America needs to get back to their grass roots before Socialism takes this country over!

THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING! THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING! EVERYONE BE VERY AFRAID!

Educated

May 13th, 2010
10:42 am

CT-You use racial profiling as a problem with this bill.
Can you prove to us this bill will specifically profile anyone by pointing out where this is in the said bill?
Be specific now, don’t just make claims without support especially when you are talking about legislation. Surely there will be something in the bill that specifically says, “AZ law enforcement can/will stop all Hispanic looking people and take them to jail”.
I’d like for you to just point it out.

A

May 13th, 2010
10:42 am

So, there are about 20 or 30 million illegal immigrants in the USA. Big job, making them all go away. What is it about this conversation that reminds me of Nazi Germany? Oh yeah, unifying an unintelligent and fearful group by creating a common enemy. In this case, Hispanics. Basically this conversation is about hate. Which seems to get an inordinate number of you off. Illegal immigration is not even a topic worth reviewing. People who have come to this country are not going to leave. And no one is going to go after them. It just doesn’t make good sense. Which means that you are hating as a hobby. Maybe you could try golf?
Also, about the kid in Kennesaw, go pick on somebody your own size. Bullies.

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
10:43 am

During their working life, undocumented immigrants in the United States will pay, on average, approximately $80,000 more in taxes per capita than they use in government services, owing to the fact that they are not eligible to take advantage of almost all of the social service programs offered by the federal government, according to a study released by the National Council of La Raza.

According to the report, in June of 2007, the president’s Council of Economic Advisers stated that the “impact of undocumented immigration on public budgets is likely to be very positive.”

The report cites the Texas Comptroller’s disclosure that, in 2006, undocumented immigrants paid about $424.7 million more in state revenues – including sales tax and school property tax – than they used in state services, including education and health care.
In addition to sales and property taxes, [an estimated three-quarters] of undocumented immigrants also pay payroll taxes through the use of false Social Security numbers.

According to statistics from the National Council of La Raza, these employees contribute approximately $7 billion to Social Security and $1.5 billion to Medicare every year, despite the fact that they are ineligible to receive these benefits.

Ron Mexico

May 13th, 2010
10:43 am

“The KKK and Millitant Brothers need to take their peeing contest somewhere else so the adults can blog.”

Well, there was a good long discussion before the regular “you guys are all KKK members” comments came out. READ the F-ing article, the MAJORITY of AMERICANS agree with this law. You can go f your self with that old and tired KKK crap, you racist. Didn’t know that the majority of this country were members of the KKK and militant groups.

Contractor

May 13th, 2010
10:44 am

Get Real,

Yeah, it has allowed them opportunities to be apart of this great country and make anything of their selves. No one is holding any rightful American back from living the dream.

B

May 13th, 2010
10:45 am

Bewildering? We all breathe oxygen here Cynthia. You ought to try it some time.

Steven Q. Stanley

May 13th, 2010
10:45 am

Cynthia, Americans will always trade their freedoms and civil liberties for safety and comfort. You should know as well as anyone, you are constantly supporting forfeiture of economic freedoms for safety and comfort. You can’t have it both ways. When you support Big Government over freedom, this is what you get.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
10:46 am

Kamchak, you should be hired to proofread everyone’s post before it goes thru.

Freedom First

May 13th, 2010
10:46 am

A, its not about hate its about the rule of law. I don’t hate anyone based on color of their skin and no one is saying to deport all people of any race just those that didn’t follow the legal immigration procedures.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
10:46 am

A

May 13th, 2010
10:42 am

LMAO…theres the old, tired, boring “hate” thing again.
The subject has nothing to do with the Nazis, like you were around anyway. Its very simple…A person is either here legally or illegally.

Its quite simple and your mumbo jumbo clouds only your mind.

Indyfromaz

May 13th, 2010
10:47 am

Nice racist title you have there. No prejudice evident there.

Ron Mexico

May 13th, 2010
10:48 am

A – Your obviously a little slow or can’t read or something – of course we can’t send them all back, I think what most people want is either make them citizens so that they HAVE to pay taxes too, like the rest of us do, or send them home. Plenty of people immigrate to this country each year and get jobs and pay taxes and are productive members of this country, and I bet you not one person here that supports this law want to kick them out. But go ahead and continue your ignorant rants on here.

B

May 13th, 2010
10:49 am

Dear Mini – Listening to La Raza tell me how much value illegals add to our society and economy is akin to listening to the IRS tell me how reasonable my tax rate is. Too bad General Pershing isn’t here to lead another expedition into Mexico because these drug thugs make Pancho Villa look like a Sunday School Teacher.

A CONSERVATIVE

May 13th, 2010
10:49 am

MS Karl Marx……ARTICLE proves how disConnected U R from average…normal AMERICANS…include the entire AJC news staff in that disConnect..

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
10:49 am

Its perfectly ok to profile blacks and mexicans when it benefits them (ie getting jobs and getting into college before more qualified white candidates). Liberal Hypocrisy as usual.

Obama won’t touch this issue right now. He knows no matter what he does, he’ll lose a large chunk of voters in the process. Its all about votes with him and every other politician. He MIGHT touch it in his second term (if he gets one).

Hilarious to me that LA is boycotting Arizona. California is a drain on the rest of America. We should give California to Mexico. Supporting illegals has put California in the drain and on the verge of bankruptcy. They deserve bankruptcy. Only problem is, once it happens my tax dollars will be going towards bailing them out.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
10:50 am

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
10:43 am

And the CBO stated that ObamaCare would pay for itself…LOL.

Thanks for playing!! Johnny what do we have for our departing contestant? Well Wink, we have a years supply of Turtle Wax Car Polish. Always keep your car looking new with Turtle Wax! Now, back to your Wink….

Johnny J

May 13th, 2010
10:50 am

Granny Godzilla “How do we secure the borders?” Think about that fact that those that are in charge of this aren’t performing adequately yet they continue to get paid to do it. I see illegals/(”Fugitives of the law?”) running through my town daily and they never go away. Yet they scream about rights? The very agency in charge of this thrives on mediocrity. I guarantee the jobs these people do will soon be filled by people in this country that are legal and like everything else will correct itself in time. Get the word out and get your neighbors and family members to support this!

Feeanch

May 13th, 2010
10:50 am

So Peadawg and others…are you going to put the new roof on your house, wash the dishes at your favorite Chili’s, landscape your yard, sweep the floor of the warehouse? I agree we need to do more to secure our borders, however, my bet is that one of your ancestors did those jobs not long ago. and it’s what allowed you to be here and stake your claim to your own 40 acres and a mule.

If there are so many “real” Americans clamoring for those jobs, why aren’t they being filled in the worst economy in 3 generations? How come there isn’t a line around the block to get one of these jobs that all the illegals are supposedly usurping? There isn’t, because “real” Americans consider it beneath them now. So you decide…would you rather pay 3x as much for a “real” American to build your new house at $40 an hour, or would you rather outsource this and get the best price you can with someone that might have to only pay $12 and hr to a…god forbid…Mexican? I’ll bet you a silver dollar you and every other Tea Party idiot out there would hope good ol’ capitalism would win out and you’d get the best price you could; you’d bitch and moan about paying $35 per person at Chili’s for a hamburger, but that’s what will happen if you have to pay the dishwasher and server $15 and hr as opposed to $6. You can’t have it both ways folks. Neither side has a clue what to do and so they will do what our country has been doing for about 60 years now…pass the buck; make it someone else’s problem. After all, that has become the “real” American way now. I don’t have a solution either, nor do I purport to. However, passing draconian laws like this that violate EVERYONE’s civil rights is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Our freedoms are what make this country great. By the way, I need a new deck. Can you guys suggest a good cheap contractor who employs only “real” Americans?

Babyboomer

May 13th, 2010
10:52 am

Kayker. ” All of them want the latino vote. Another example of where our elected officials will be the death of this country yet” Politicians have always catered (sometimes disgustingly evil) to the voters. Vinson, Russell, and other bigots stayed in office far too long because they catered to the base instincts of the voters. If this country survived these bigoted clowns, America’s death is probably a long way down the road. One would think that the world would get past old geezers promoting wars for young kids to fight and die in.

Crime Stats are Bogus

May 13th, 2010
10:52 am

I do not agree with the crime stats used in the article as they can be very misleading. It is well known that crime decreases during boom times, through which most of the crime statistics reported were during boom times. It is also well known that crime increases during recessions. It is also reported that the first to lose jobs are the undocumented workers. Who knows if there is an actual correlation here between the two now, but I would not be surprised if there was.

bruno

May 13th, 2010
10:53 am

I wonder what would the white man had done to the Native Americans if they had asked for citizenship ID?????

Bob

May 13th, 2010
10:54 am

Get real, your right, the indians should have protected their borders and I don’t want my kids ending up like them, stuck on a reservation waiting on gov checks to buy their next bottle.

scrappy

May 13th, 2010
10:54 am

Majority of Americans support this because 1 – mob rule is usually based on hearsay and not facts, 2 – we need someone to blame for our bad economy, 3 – this law won’t affect most people.

Big D

May 13th, 2010
10:54 am

KAMCHAK….THE SOCIALISTS ARE HERE !!!! THE SOCIALISTS ARE HERE !!!!!
The sad thing is they are like roaches…hard to get rid of once they have laid eggs.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
10:55 am

So you decide…would you rather pay 3x as much for a “real” American to build your new house at $40 an hour…

Thirty years of working in the construction biz and I never saw $40 an hour—so I gotta ask, where the hell did you come up with that number?

StJ

May 13th, 2010
10:56 am

Arizona is enforcing the immigration laws and the majority support that. O the horror! The world is coming to an end!

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2010
10:56 am

Liberals who favor doing nothing about our immigration laws have fallen victim to an affliction which is appropriately named “Selective Indignation”. They worry about being politically correct when our country is overrun by millions of illegal people who have no business being here and are virtually breaking the back of states like California. They ignore our laws on illegal immigration but seek to deny the right to bear arms, a right that is clearly granted in the 2nd Amendment. They worry about protecting the rights of criminals on death row who commit unspeakable crimes but have no qualms about taking the life of an innocent newborn who has done nothing but be in the wrong place at the right time. They criticize and demonize those who work for a living and seek to keep what they earn but encourage breaking the law by organizations like ACORN who clearly was at fault. They vilify CEOs of those evil corporations who pay their CEOs “outlandish” salaries but ignore people like Franklin Raines with his 190M golden parachute who should be in jail for fraud. They endorse organizations like the Congressional Black Caucus who are, as JC Watts called them, ” a bunch of race pimps”, but scream to high heaven about white only organizations, of which there are very few.
Being “selectively indignant” is the favorite tactic of liberals in their “quest to protect the less fortunate” and those who are not willing to take responsibility for their lives, however what is fair for some is not fair for all. Sharpton and Je$$ie make a fortune off of this tactic but few if any liberals criticize them or other blacks like them for the true race pimps that they are. Hypocritical? It’s gone far past that and it’s getting pretty old.

Ward

May 13th, 2010
10:56 am

There’s nothing that’s in the Arizona law that isn’t in the federal law. All it does is enable local authorities to enforce the law that the Feds are derelict in NOT enforcing.

Once again, Cynthia demonstrates her near-total inability to comprehend.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
10:56 am

Cynthia, to paraphrase an old SNL skit about point/counter-point “Cynthia you ignorant slut…” you and your bleeding heart leftists, including the President and many in DC, you just don’t get it! These people (the illegal immigrants) have broken our laws. I don’t mean just our Mexican friends, but any others that are here under similar circumstances like Asians, Arabs Irish, Canadians, British and the like. In the zeal for cheap labor and Democrat voting blocs this point is gleefully overlooked. If the tables were turned and they were illegally crossing the border the opposite way, what do you think the result would be? Remember the North Korea incident and the Iraq incident? I venture to say that Mexico has similar Draconian laws on its books. The “undocumented” and illegals should be sent home before they cause any more cost to our states(who can’t print more money) like the federal government does to cover these unfair cost burdens.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
10:56 am

Have you ever noticed how Mr. Obama always sticks his chin up? I tried it and it is very uncomfortable. Maybe I need to practice.

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
10:57 am

There’s a big difference…the Native Americans weren’t paying for the immigrant’s healthcare, schools, roads, etc.

OneBlkVoice

May 13th, 2010
10:58 am

Where is the racial profiling Cynthia? Being an illegal alien isn’t a race!

How will this law lead to the harassment of spanish-speaking-people anymore than any other law on the books? Are you acknowledging that the spanish-speaking-community is responsible for a disproportionate share of the problem when it comes to illegal aliens?

How is asking someone about their immigration status that has already been stopped for another lawful reason harassment?

If 70% of all illegal aliens in the U.S. are spanish-speaking then 70% of all enforcement actions should be aimed at their communities!

You seem to concern yourself with the negative impact this bill is having on the Arizona economy, did you ever concern yourself with the negative impact illegal aliens had on the Arizona state budget?

The bottom line Cynthia is, if you want to trash SB 1070 at least take the time to read it first!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
10:58 am

Dave R.

May 13th, 2010
9:26 am
Since there is NO racial profiling in this law, there is literally nothing accurate in your column this morning, Cynthia.

That’s a FALSE statement; the POLICE have the DISCRETION to pull anyone over for ANY reason….and in Arizona, a driver’s license is NOT proof of citizenship as it is in other states!! This will require EVERYONE to carry a PASSPORT!!

How does the police determine if a person is illigal?? By RACIAL profiling!! Too many people on this blog have yet to be racially profiled and pulled over by the police for no reason; those of us that HAVE know and understand!!

California isn’t doing business with Arizona; the Alphas moved their conclave to Vegas because they did not want their Hispanic members to be racially profiled by the cops…..

Cops in Seattle kicked a Hispanic man in the head because they profiled INCORRECTLY!! STOP THE MADNESS!!

A CONSERVATIVE

May 13th, 2010
10:58 am

CYNTHIA ALWAYS gives uninformed liberal opinion on issues..that is her style….to anger the reader.

Oh Yeah!

May 13th, 2010
10:58 am

Bullsh*t….Tourism down, I will actually visit AZ. now since the law was passed…Illegally cross the border in Russia, China, Mexico,Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, and about any other country and you are shot or imprisioned…Hell, we should be tougher…maybe the panty waisted AJC writers and politicians will stop pandering to the more vocal minority while honest Americans are at work, too busy earing a living to protest!!!

Mike Scott

May 13th, 2010
10:59 am

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY EVEN MEXICO AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU! OTHER COUNTRIES WILL PUT YOUR BUTT IN JAIL IN A HEARTBEAT NO QUESTIONS ASKED. IF YOU ARE NOT A CITIZEN AND DONT HAVE PROPER PAPERS YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL AND BE DEPORTED.

Bob

May 13th, 2010
10:59 am

Kamchuk, did Reagan pass that bill all by himself just like he spent money all by himself ? Don’t let the fact that he had a majority dem house and Senate get in your way. And furthermore, since we all know what a bad president he was, why would we follow his ideas again.
The Kennedy bill that Reagan signed, like the one in the sixties would be fine if congress had the backbone to enforce laws.

drhurst

May 13th, 2010
11:00 am

This is simple: WHY do we have borders? Why do we have Resident and Citizenship requirements? If we’re going to allow ANY AND ALL from Mexico and/or Central/South America (and Iraq, Iran, Syria & Afghanistan?)in this country without any effort to stop them – then CRIMINALIZE our Law Enforcement for trying to ENFORCE existing laws – WHY HAVE A COUNTRY AT ALL???? Why don’t we just have complete and TOTAL lawlessness!!! Why is it that CT wants us to enforce NON-EXISTENT gun laws, KILL our own pre-born Children… SAVE the life of any & all Death Row MASS MURDERERS…. but then FORCE ALL OF US to support ANY & ALL who climb over our useless borders??? Can you spell… I-N-S-A-N-E…????????????????????????

Educated

May 13th, 2010
11:00 am

Cynthia, still waiting on supporting documents regarding this legislation being racist…and no, an article by Rachel (ugliest man on TV) Maddow doesn’t count. I want to see where you found this in the bill.

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
11:00 am

@HDB I was racially profiled when a black student with a lower LSAT and GPA got into law school before me. I know how it feels and it sucks. But that’s life. Come here legally and pay your taxes and no one has a problem with you.

Chuckie D

May 13th, 2010
11:00 am

Hey Ms Tucker:

It appears you are opposed to obeying the law? That is, is it not customary to show your driver’s license after a routine traffic stop? Guess what, if I don’t have one, I’m going to jail whether I’m red or yellow, black or white—

The same applies here. The police responsibility is to ask questions after a probable cause stop/action is made. Remember that PBO’s comments about police stopping a father and son after leaving an ice cream store and asking for their ID is a “fairy tale”, (unless the father had not paid for the ice cream).

It is so easy to fall into the Al (remember Tawana) Sharpton and Jesse (Sloganmaster) Jackson’s trap of making everything black and white.

If you don’t realize that we are being invaded from the south of our border I can only hope that you open your eyes. This is a case of what is right and wrong and the US can not continue to support the flood of illegals in our country!

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

During their working life, undocumented immigrants in the United States will pay, on average, approximately $80,000 more in taxes per capita than they use in government services, owing to the fact that they are not eligible to take advantage of almost all of the social service programs offered by the federal government, according to a study released by the National Council of La Raza.
According to the report, in June of 2007, the president’s Council of Economic Advisers stated that the “impact of undocumented immigration on public budgets is likely to be very positive.”
The report cites the Texas Comptroller’s disclosure that, in 2006, undocumented immigrants paid about $424.7 million more in state revenues – including sales tax and school property tax – than they used in state services, including education and health care.
In addition to sales and property taxes, [an estimated three-quarters] of undocumented immigrants also pay payroll taxes through the use of false Social Security numbers.
According to statistics from the National Council of La Raza, these employees contribute approximately $7 billion to Social Security and $1.5 billion to Medicare every year, despite the fact that they are ineligible to receive these benefits.

MICHAEL POPS

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

I dont know why black people are defending the mexicans. The mexicans I know cant stand blacks.

adam schiff

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

tell you what cynthia, as a 25 year resident of phoenix, let’s make a deal. if you’re that dead set against senate bill 1070, prove the good citizens of arizona wrong and set up transportation for us. we’ll send you every coyote (the two legged kind) that has caused us to become the kidnapping capital of the united states, every violent recidivist illegal alien, like the 4-time loser who shot a phoenix city cop to death two summers ago, and any other person who’s in this country illegally. then let’s see what your solution is while sitting behind a computer monitor instead of telling us how to run our state. sorry to be so long winded but i and so many others here get sick and tired of listening to people tell us how bad this law is WITHOUT EVEN READING THE CONTENTS. thank you.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

Kamchuk, did Reagan pass that bill all by himself…

Don’t let the fact that he signed it get in your way.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
11:03 am

I agree with Peadawg,
Cynthia, please answer the question. Not here, but in another post. What are your thoughts on illegal immigration, and what needs to be done about it? What would you do?
Also, the point on affirmative action being a form of racial profiling is somewhat convincing.
MOVING @ 9:52, priceless commentary. Did you write that or get it from somewhere? Going to link that one.

Larry

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

In a time of backlash against illegal immigrants, it takes voices like Cynthia’s to push back against the obvious attack against all of our civil liberties. We do not live in a goose stepping country where it is politically expedient to round up all of the spanish looking people to examine their papers. If it is the Mexicans today, then it could be the Muslim, Iranians, Chinese, and Korean looking people next. How about rounding up all of the redneck, looking Timothy McVeigh people as well as they pose an imminent threat to this country. Watch out Joe 6 pack, this is a slippery slope to round you up someday as well. Papers please Joe. Isn’t it just mean spirited as well? Also, sneaky conservatives are searching for a rallying cry in an election year similar to the gay marriage ban to rally the troops.

Typical Republican

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

As long as my taxes dont go up, I am all for giving up freedom for security. For that matter, they can fire all of the teachers in metro atlanta and replace them with high school graduates as teachers if it will save me on my taxes! Just cut spending, but do not touch my medicare, social security, or the military. I cant tell you what to cut, just cut taxes and spending!!!!
oh, and I want good highways to drive on and the cost of stamps to quit going up!!!
I am stomping mad, where is my tea???

Dunwoody Mike

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

And this is why matters of civil rights can not be left to a public vote. Just imagine if the southern States voted on civil rights in the 1950’s.

Steve

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

You wonder if the girl from Kennesaw was paying in State tuition at KSU. I hope everyone starts boycotting California, Illinois and any other states that boycott AZ. My wife and I are actually planning a vacation to AZ this year…………..

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

Are you liberals too stupid to understand the difference between LEGAL AND ILLEGAL immigration. WTF…do you not have any clue you are arguing a indefensible point! You talk about mob rule( Democracy)when you think it makes your point and then deny the rule of law (Republic) when addressing the illegals coming into Arizona. Liberals have taken Bill Clinton’s ability to lie and then believe it so to an all new level….ABSOLUTE HYPOCRISY.

JCamp

May 13th, 2010
11:06 am

I applaud AZ! Perhaps Ga will follow and curtail this Mexican drug cartel in the Atlanta area. Gosh, that would possibly cut down on some of our crime issues. But, the liberals love crime riddled cities and don’t think we can do any thing to lower our crime rates. The one’s I know just tell me that this is how things are now days and we have to learn to live with it.

Down in Albany

May 13th, 2010
11:06 am

The law DOES NOT allow for racial profiling! The law is not different from the federal law that’s been on the books for years. The feds simply will not enforce it.

Trunk Monkey

May 13th, 2010
11:07 am

what Tucker doesn’t seem to realize is that crimes committed by illegal aliens are often waived if the illegal agrees not to contest their deportation. Nor does she seem to care that most of those offenses are not considered ‘violent’ crimes which is why statistics tend to understate them.

As a Democrat, I *do* support the AZ law even though I might have concerns about how it’s implemented. The way I figure it though, with the ethnocentric special interests watching and waiting to pounce on the least little hint of civil rights infringement…AZ cops are more likely to err on the side of caution than vigorous enforcement.

A

May 13th, 2010
11:07 am

OK, Ron. It’s been established that people who are in this country illegally pay taxes and have jobs and are such a productive segment of the population that the country can’t afford to loose them. B., nobody remembers General Pershing, like you were around then anyway. Cynthia is Sexy-if you thin hate is old and boring you are ignoring a very valuable commodity. Hate is very useful and very much alive in these conversations. Also CiS, grammar, please?
And lastly: I AM THE QUEEN OF THE TROLLS111!!!111 (does a little hippity hop goddess dance while singing tonelessly ‘..this is so much fun, baiting idiots is so much fun…’)
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Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:08 am

I am just glad that I am not an hispanic American citizen. If they want to stop illegal immigration, go after the employers of said illegals! Make employees prove citizenship upon hiring. That will stop it dead in its tracks!

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
11:08 am

@Typical Republican
Teachers wouldn’t be getting fired if all the mexican student’s parents would pay their fair share of the teacher’s salaries (EG TAXES). All of my teacher friends (particularly in Cobb county) say their classrooms are swamped with mexican students.

Dunwoody Mike

May 13th, 2010
11:09 am

Libertarian,

Please do not use the “illegals do not pay taxes” argument. Ewer heard of sales tax? Gasoline tax? Property taxes included in rent?

STFowler

May 13th, 2010
11:10 am

Basic fact of the matter is that these people have no right to be in this country legally. To get here, they broke our laws. A crime is a crime. Kudos to the Cobb County Sheriff who is upholding the letter of the law. We are a Constitutional Republic based on a system of laws. Why are so many people intent on pacifying these lawbreakers. Send all the illegals packing, stop coddling them; thereby encouraging more to come.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
11:10 am

Another point:
Conservatives seem to believe liberals are not patriotic and want to ruin the country. They’re blasted for this by high-minded, ivory-tower types.
Why is this illogical? When you support social services to legal and illegal residents, when there’s no money to do it, you are asking for trouble. One program after the other, health care included, that’s unfunded …
I’d love for someone who considers himself or herself liberal to give a valid, logical reasoning for such a thing.
…..

(don’t worry, I’ll wait)

…..

Rex

May 13th, 2010
11:11 am

Auburn Fan: I was just talking about that the other day…only I think it is his nose, not his chin he is sticking up there…you know how Elitist libs are always looking down their nose at everyone else

Contractor

May 13th, 2010
11:12 am

California can’t afford to be boycotted, they are already bankrupt. It’s so funny hearing from places who have their own financial problems saying they’re boycotting somewhere, when they can’t even afford their own messes in their respective state. Football alone with the Cardinals, Arizona State Sun Devils, Arizona Wildcats, and the Fiesta Bowl will be enough tourism for the state alone. I don’t think they are shedding one tear about a few Liberals boycotting their state.

Dunwoody Mike

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am

Jed,

There is money for all of tose things you state. It’s called reducing the bloated defense budget and raising taxes on the highest earners back to Reagan era levels.

DirtyDawg

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am

The thing that I don’t read much about is the fact that the sheriff of Pima County, AZ, the one that borders Mexico for a good portion of the state, has said that there is no need for this new ‘law’ and that they already have plenty of laws on the books that allow his officers to determine who’s there legally and to turn ‘em over to the Feds when they find those that aren’t. So why does AZ want to put themselves through all this aggravation and cost? It just might be the ‘hate’…it definitely involves ignorance of the facts.

Plus, it would appear that AZ has decided that they’re gonna try and find out if they, in fact, do have enough law enforcers…and time…and jails…and figure that the other stuff – you know real crime-breakers – will just take care of itself while they’re rounding up ‘brown people’ and herding ‘em South…and if they don’t they can blame it on Obama.

If the comments from the Rock Hill paper’s editorial are factual, it would appear that the presence of illegals isn’t the problem (suggest you read his entire piece) that many of us think it is. Sure they’ve got crime down that way – most of it is brought about by drugs – and who/what is responsible for that?…American demand. Take the money out of the drug trade – like legalizing MaryJane – and see what happens. My guess is that if AZ had decided to do that…in effect, to deal with the disease instead of the symptom they’d find that the border crime that’s got them so upset will virtually disappear.

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am

Please stop using the Indian’s should have asked for our green card excuse…I am half AMERICAN INDIAN and it MAKES NO SENSE. When we sink this life boat we will all drown…STUPID.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:14 am

Oh, and on the girl at KSU, by all means lock her up and throw away the key!!! What was she thinking coming here illegally with her parents when she was 10 years old!!!!

atljad

May 13th, 2010
11:15 am

How DARE we crack down on ILLEGAL activities? The word is right there in the name “ILLEGAL” immigrant. Until they are LEGAL, they are ILLEGAL. This country is doomed if we don’t grow a backbone and stop cow-towing to every minority group in the US just so we don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. Socialism is creeping in, you better believe it. Look at France. You like it? 20% unemployment, 25 hour work-weeks, massive federal spending, no backbone. We’ll be there in a decade at this rate. LIFE IS HARD! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! That is why the animal kingdom was around millions of years before us and will be around millions of years after us. They don’t feel sorry for the weak and underpriveleged. If you don’t allow the “Fittest” to thrive, then we all become mediocre. Welcome to it.

gb

May 13th, 2010
11:15 am

What’s so hard for you bleeding heart, socialist liberals to understand about following the law? That’s everone following the law! It is very, very easy to become a legal immigrant into this country. People that try to circumvent the laws of our country are wrong! You guys that think we should pay for people to break our immigration laws belong with them, in jail!

Latina

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

I know I’ll take a lot of heat for this but the illegals got to go. It’s hard to believe the stats saying that crime is down when I see crime from mostly Mexicans in my neighborhood. They make the rest of us legal, law-abiding Hispanic citizens look bad. And believe me I am NOT the only non-Mexican Hispanic that feels this way.The strain on our social services, jobs, etc are enough logical reasons to get them out of here. I’ll admit the Az. law seems to be a racial profiling law at best, but when you’ve had enough, you’ve had enough.

Texas Tea

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

Dunwoody Mike,

Ever heard of INCOME TAX that they DON’T pay? Seems like the largest chunk of tax dollars to me.

neo-Carlinist

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

I personally take the advice of AZ’s neighbor Nevada; what happens in Arizona concerns Arizona. Let the ACLU or whomever challenge the law, and let the ‘activist judges’ rule. And, enough with the poll data. is is 65% of Americans or 65% of the 1,600 registered voters polled? And if the opponents of the law want to organize boycotts, all the better. This issue will then be resolved sans the courts and the politicians. This is an AZ issue, not a GA issue.

It's The Tone, Stupid

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

It’s not bewildering, Cynthia – it’s reflecting the tone of the country which, like it or not, is more conservative than liberal. How simple is that?

Ken

May 13th, 2010
11:17 am

CT, have you ever been to AZ? Did you know they have permanent road blocks to check for illegals? I guess thats profiling too huh? I have no problem with this law. If you had actually read the law you would see there is no “profiling” involved. The police cant stop you cause “you look illegal”, and to say otherwise is suggesting the AZ police are all “racisits”.

TGT

May 13th, 2010
11:18 am

“Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking.”

Of course, you have proof of such activity, right?

Nevermind that about 90% of illegal aliens in America are Hispanic with about 70% being Mexican. Nevermind that these numbers are probably even higher in Arizona. What are they supposed to look for in this battle, Latvian grandmothers?

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:19 am

A says … “So, there are about 20 or 30 million illegal immigrants in the USA. Big job, making them all go away. What is it about this conversation that reminds me of Nazi Germany? Oh yeah, unifying an unintelligent and fearful group by creating a common enemy. In this case, Hispanics. Basically this conversation is about hate. Which seems to get an inordinate number of you off. Illegal immigration is not even a topic worth reviewing. People who have come to this country are not going to leave. And no one is going to go after them. It just doesn’t make good sense. Which means that you are hating as a hobby. Maybe you could try golf? Also, about the kid in Kennesaw, go pick on somebody your own size. Bullies.”

So A (A-hole), what LAWS have you broken? How are you benefiting from ILLEGAL immigration? Are you expecting something in return for supporting ILLEGALS? Just like a liberal, something is in it for YOU so your support is paramount … and all others are bullies and racists. Stop the ranting about how Americans are never going to get rid of the millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. Silly boy, AZ is just the beginning! Get your act together A, the ILLEGALS won’t be here to help you when you want and need them.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

Hey, contractor, the Blessed Republicans just decided to not have their 2012 convention in Az because of this. Instead they are having it in Tampa!

I read where sheriff Apaio (sp?) just rounded up 89 people in a suspected raid and held them in jail. Thirty percent of them (26) were legeal U.S. citizens being rounded up with the suspected illegals. This is exactly what people are against. Not gathering the illegals, but profiling citizens as well.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

Libertarian May 13th, 2010
11:00 am
@HDB I was racially profiled when a black student with a lower LSAT and GPA got into law school before me. I know how it feels and it sucks.

1) You were not profiled…..imagine you were driving a new car in Dunwoody…visiting friends…and the cops pull you over for NO reason!! THAT’S profiling!! Your law school wanted to create a more diverse student body…and they have the right to SELECT the students they desired!! Plus, those that decry Affirmative Action have had a 188-year HEAD START!!

2) The Arizona law states that it’s the police’s DISCRETION that creates probable cause!! I can be walking down the street…and a cop can demand to see my identification!! If you saw the most recent profiling incident in Seattle where a cop kicked a Hispanic man and screamed epithets……you’re seeing where this nation will be heading!!

3) In Arizona, your drivers’ license is NOT proof of citizenship…ONLY IF YOU HAVE AN ARIZONA LICENSE will you be considered a citizen!! That requires everyone to carry a PASSPORT!!!

Re-read the law….look at what’s happening…and PRAY that we, as a nation, are NOT that STUPID!!

Teacher Man

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

It is highly likely that the State of Georgia alone spends over $100,000,000 educating the children of illegal immigrants. This is not counting the federal subsidies for free lunch programs, transportation costs, etc. By law all school aged children in the United States, legal or not, are required to be given a free public education. If the state didn’t have to fund the education of these children how many teachers would still have a job?

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

Fact is people are buying into the media and left’s point that the law contains “racial profiling”

You can lie all you want saying it contains “racial profiling” but that will never make it the truth. People are smart enough to look past the left media agenda and find out the truth.

Lt Col

May 13th, 2010
11:21 am

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

24 years spent in the military only to have the Statue of Liberty rendered meaningless!! :(

MB

May 13th, 2010
11:22 am

I think we are on track to curb immigration. If we continue to sink the economy and we all work for the government then there is no real reason for anyone to move here. I would like to applaud the administration’s full hearted attempt to make this a place that does not offer any opportunities. Well done.

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:23 am

Dun-Mike, the only thing the CONSTITUTION really makes certain and is job one for the GOVERNMENT is the COMMON DEFENSE….just in case you cared.

Fakey McFake

May 13th, 2010
11:23 am

LMAO. Why does everyone support this when I clearly just played the race card? Why don’t you people see it MY WAY? What is wrong with the vast majority of Americans who don’t realize the most important issue is always race?

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:23 am

Its not about profiling as you said, its not about harassing non English speaking people like you claim, but more about national security and rights of citizens and legal immigrants. Again CT you choose to defend the ignorant and scold the rational. AZ was forced to impose its own law because the Fed Govt has failed to address the border and immigration policies. I am not against people coming to country in larger numbers, but quite the opposite, I am all for more people coming to our country LEGALLY! I want to ensure people who come to this country are not carrying a disease or a violent criminal or worse on the terror watch list. I want to ensure that all foreign nationals here get equal wages but to do that they need to be taxed. I want as many people to the American Dream but in order to do that a line must be drawn and people must follow the rule of the law. Our forefather immigrated to the country but people fail to remember they did it LEGALLY through places like Ellis Island where they were cleared to enter our country. CT you never fail to be ignorant and a bigot. Ever think that by taxes the foreign work force instead of paying them under the table then the people who try so hard to defend will actually have more benefits because the budget is being met by more tax revenues and realistic budget by taking everyone into account and not just the citizen. And my last thought is what ever happened to the rights I am afforded by being a citizen – does being PC trump my civil rights as a natural born American? STOP HATING ON LEGAL TAX PAYING MEMBER OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

Why don’t we punish companies for hiring them without proof of citizenship?

Wouldn’t that stop illegal immigration in its tracks?

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

This whole Immigration Thing was designed in order for us to Forget how badly our rights were trampled when that COMMUNIST HEALTHCARE BILL passed without a majority support.. Those people who opposed the AZ bill, are the same ones who support Healthcare… Ignorance is Bliss…

Californian

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

Anybody concerned about all the illegals coming across
the northern border? They take jobs too.- But they look
the white way so it’s okay.Right?

HDB

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

MICHAEL POPS May 13th, 2010
11:02 am
I dont know why black people are defending the mexicans. The mexicans I know cant stand blacks.

Not in all cases!! I have Mexican friends and contemporaries….and we get along famously!! You know the reason: I’m flexible enough to speak a little Spanish…and will eat/drink/party with them!! Those who attempt to communicate have few problems; those that denigrate cause problems!!

AZMom

May 13th, 2010
11:25 am

Yet again, another journalist spouting off about what’s going on within Arizona, without actually living here. When you rattled off all those statistics about how crime is supposedly going down, you forgot to mention that in 2009, Phoenix had 316 kidnapping cases, making the city our nation’s kidnapping capital. Almost all of the persons kidnapped were illegal immigrants or linked to the drug trade. Don’t forget to mention the ranchers down at the border who have thousands of illegals and coyotes traipsing across their property, threatening the ranchers and their families lives and not too mention murder (rancher, Robert Krentz). Don’t forget to mention the police officers and border patrol officers that have been killed by either the human smugglers and the illegals. It’s not all in gun battles either. Officer Shane Figueroa was killed when his patrol car was hit by a pickup truck driven by an illegal immigrant, driving drunk. Officer Figueroa was 25 and left behind a wife and 3 month old child. The driver of the truck had two previous DUIs.

Arizonians are fed up and I applaud Governor Brewer for doing what the Federal Government is afraid to do.

Trunk Monkey

May 13th, 2010
11:25 am

Realist, nobody blames *her* for getting dragged across the border. We do, however, hold her responsible for her actions as an adult…including working illegally, document fraud, lying to authorities, driving without license, etc. Staying here after she became an adult, and in full awareness that her actions put her in violation of the law…those were *her* choices and now she pays the price.

And it’s not like America *needs* another lawyer. Especially one with as little respect for the law and the legal process as Colotl displays.

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
11:26 am

@HDB if you get profiled you get a ticket, big deal. Getting into a lesser law school can negatively affect the rest of your life. So in 188 years can we stop Affirmative Action? At what point would you say your race has “caught up” from my races supposed “head start”? I thought perhaps a black president might be that point…guess not. You’re a hypocrite just like Cynthia. Making a decision based on race is ok in some instances but not others. How can you live with your hypocrisy? How can you logically say that affirmative action is fair? It is fundamentally unfair.

Steve

May 13th, 2010
11:26 am

Legals are welcomed…illegals should be deported. The failure of the Federal Government to enforce the law has brought AZ to do what they have to do to protect not just citizens of AZ but all Americans and slow down the rate of illegals coming into our country. Why is this so hard to understand? Racial profiling? Since the Feds won’t do it, California, AZ, New Mexico and Texas all should be doing this and I hope they do. If you’re hispanic and you’re legal….you have nothing to worry about. If I’m visiting and a Police Officer asks to see my ID, I’ll provide it. While we’re at it..we should keep the Canadians in check too!

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

Did I hear a Blame Canada claim! BLAME CANADA!

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

Starting in the late 1980’s, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect – sometimes simply fictitious – Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the “earnings suspense file” in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990’s, two and a half times the amount of the 1980’s.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2’s with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.

Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

“Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes,” said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security’s chief actuary, using the agency’s term for illegal immigration.

Contractor

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

Realist,

What about the innocent soldiers that went to war and died for your American rights? Sometimes there are sacrifices that had to be made for the common good.

HBD,

Keep your slavery BS to yourself. I don’t feel sorry for you in the slightest bit. How about you grow up and quit living in the 60’s. 188 year head start? So it seems you deserve to be given 188 times more preferential treatment than white people? Diversification is a ploy set forth by affirmative action to allow the less smarter people of color have their chance over a more deserving white person. And you’re a complete moron if you can sit there and say someone with lower grades deserves to be in school more than someone with higher grades. It speaks of your intelligence. And I am very tired of reading about you getting pulled over and profiled, so give it a rest. I have a feeling you won’t shut up until you have ownership of the entire white population

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

REalist, yes, stiff penalties for business executives who hiring illegally would do a lot to curb illegal immigration. But lawmakers don’t focus on that.

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

“Oh, and on the girl at KSU, by all means lock her up and throw away the key!!! What was she thinking coming here illegally with her parents when she was 10 years old!!!!”

@ Realist. Locking her up and throwing away the key? NO! She and her parents need to be sent HOME and fight for their “rights” in their native country, just as AMERICANS are doing here! Her parents should be charged with child endangerment as well. This young lady has spent the majority of her life being taught to breaking laws. I do wish her and her family luck upon returning to their homeland! :)

Fakey McFake

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

@Law Abiding Citizen

I don’t see what you see. Your superiority complex aside, your argument that the illegals who are currently in this country are going to stay in this country doesn’t hold water. These people don’t want to “stay,” they want to come and go freely. Big difference.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Dear Dunwoody Mike @ 11:04, I respectfully think you err: “And this is why matters of civil rights can not be left to a public vote. Just imagine if the southern States voted on civil rights in the 1950’s.” I remember the 1960s vividly, and I am comfortable the integration of Alabama football and Kentucky basketball were both unrelated to Congressional statutes. Black folks proved themselves worthy in “the market,” here, on the gridiron and on the hardwood.

Quite the contrary to the suggestion in your post, Congressional impositions always led to a popular push-back, even when it is against self-interest. I support Congressional action only to the extent necessary to counter similar but opposite Jim Crow laws. You see, the real problem is always politicians telling us all how to live our lives. Leftists have been with us forever.

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

The U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve the problem:

We should but in place their home countries own laws:

ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:

immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico and the LEFT no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Lt. Col, where did you spend 24 years…Fort Levenworth?

Ron Mexico

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

@ Californian – Anybody concerned about all the illegals coming across
the northern border? They take jobs too.- But they look
the white way so it’s okay.Right?

No they do it the correct way – LEGALLY!

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

Jed

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Thanks Dunwoody Mike,
You’re absolutely right. If we would just spend less on defense and raise taxes (how about even higher on the rich, like when FDR was president), we’d have a balanced budget.
So can anyone remind me what our federal deficit was last year, and what it will be this year? Hmmm, just read on WSJ that April’s deficit alone is $82.7 billion. April … alone …

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

“A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

atljad

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Lt Col. I support that motto 100% Back in the day (when it had application), the immigrants would come to this country, go through the immigration process, become PROUD citizens, work hard, pay taxes and PLEDGE ALEGIANCE to this country. Now, they sneak across the border, refuse to consider citizenship (b/c many intend to return to Mexico), hide their money in their mattress (not paying taxes), use our public services and then picket when we try to do something about it. I would venture to say that your 24 years of military service is rendered meaningless b/c we used to fight for something and we used to have a backbone. Not b/c we want to enforce laws that have been on the books for many decades. I hope that is what you were suggesting…doesn’t sound like it though.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Dear Ms. Tucker @ 11:28, executing criminals for driving 5 mph above speed limits would also curb speeding, but that is not rational either.

Dan

May 13th, 2010
11:31 am

First of all profiling is police work 101, you can’t enforce the law without it period. Second the Arizona law simply allows Arizona law enforcement the same seeway to enforce immigration law that federal officials do, ergo if you don’t like that process (inane though that perspective may be) complain about the federal law, for therein lies the guidelines that Arizona officers now abide by

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:32 am

Craig, what about the rights of Citizens in AZ who are rounded up and sent to jail because they are hispanic and do not have proof of citizenship on them? I am not for illegal immigration. That is not why people are up in arms about this bill. People are upset about the rights of US born or naturalized citizens having their rights violated.

Why are conservatives so eager to give so much power to the government when they are so against big government?

Harvy LongJohnson

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

GEEZ – what part if ILLEGAL don’t people understand? They’re not “undocumented workers”, they’re “ILLEGAL ALIENS” and need to be deported and if caught a second time, sent to a FEDERAL prison…

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

“Your superiority complex aside, your argument that the illegals who are currently in this country are going to stay in this country doesn’t hold water.”

If being a law abiding citizen makes me superior, then so be it! I did say in an earlier post that I have no problems throwing stones. You “don’t see what I don’t see” because you most likely are a habitual law breaker.

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

PearlJam – Right On! Its funny how Mexico criticizes our immigration laws when their are much stricter and enforced to an exponentially level compared to ours. They are the definition of the pot calling the kettle black.

Cekker

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

I bet the crime rates in Arizona are not down if you take into account the biggest unreported crime in the state…illegal immigration!

If a police officer can’t be trusted to check immigration status then who can?

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

DirtyDawg

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am
It looks like Az is forcing the Annoited One to do his job! There are many tunnel visioned people here. The illegals are criminals. The businesses who hire them are criminals. The progressive liberals who defend the criminals are criminals. Aiding criminals is a crime. So Az is doing the only thing it can do to protect US citizens. Of course if you are progressive liberals you do not care about the US. You want to change it and mold it in your image. Some of you posted that crime is down. Of course it is down because of the attention that area is receiving and the convictions of the state government to stop it. I have always stated if it is vile, disgusting, and anti-American the progressive liberals are for it. The boycotts, I did not know Californication could afford refusing any efforts or means to raise or make money. Maybe the people or business that boycotts Az will go out of business. How would they act then. Oh I know! Obama my lord we need more money.

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:32 am

Realist, if they are here legally, then they have a drivers license, or a social security card, that alone will keep them from going to jail… Even if I leave my license at home, all I have to do is give that officer my license number and away I go… Nice try..

Billy T.

May 13th, 2010
11:35 am

Chuck

May 13th, 2010
11:37 am

I support AZ. I think I’ll go on vacation there.

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:37 am

“Why are conservatives so eager to give so much power to the government when they are so against big government?”

Another oldie buy goody line that you liberals are overusing. Please, come up with something better. So you like to break laws too? :)

Jan

May 13th, 2010
11:39 am

While you state violent crime and property crime is down – you do not consider the DRUG CRIMES and GANGS. It is well known that illegals are bringing massive amounts of DRUGS across our borders which have an adverse impact on our children, schools, and economy. If you are going to position this as illegals “bring no problems to the U. S.” then that is wrong…Not to mention loss of jobs for Americans, higher costs to our school systems (since illegal children are allowed to attend our public schools), etc. Do you realize how many hundred of millions of dollars have been spent by our public school systems on illegals? Perhaps we would not be having layoffs of teachers today if that had not happened….

It is wrong to spend money on anyone here ILLEGALLY…period. What do you state to a youth who is arrested for the first time on a minor situation when we willingly let illegals – who are breaking the law – get away with it??? On top of that – for goodness sake, we pay them to be here??????

Americans should be outraged and demand that all illegals be sent home asap…

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:39 am

“Why are conservatives so eager to give so much power to the government when they are so against big government?”

We told you that Obama was a Communist, this is just the beginning :) JUST WAIT !!!

Jimbo

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

ct doesn’t want to print this link to Boortz”s take on thissomaybe if I hide ithttp://www.ajc.com/opinion/left-fakes-hysteria-over-509989.htmlin here….

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

THIS IS REAL SIMPLE…IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND YOU DEFEND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO LIVE HERE AND YOU SHOULD LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.

Will

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

Nice Spin job you liberal hack. Normal Americans have had enough of this crap! I hope every state except California passes this law. People are not going to tolerate murder on our border any longer. If you don’t like it…… LEAVE.

Bryan

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

How can any rational person feel that we should not try to remove illegal immigrants? Does anyone really believe that they and thier families are not a financial burden to any local, state, or federal organization? Seeing all of the cuts in heatlthcare, education, public services, ect., where do we draw the line? This country is filled with people of varied ancestry, we have always allowed people from outside this country to come in and settle, IF THEY DID IT PROPERLY!!! I would like some of the tax money I contribute to all of these government agencies and services to do some good, but if there is some portion of our population using these services without paying taxes, then we need to fix that problem. Arizona has a great idea and I think other states should do the same. Is a police officer asking if you are legal any more invasive than a census form asking if you are White, Black, male or female?

RGB

May 13th, 2010
11:41 am

What is (really not) surprising is how liberal journalists and Democrat politicians are so out of touch with the desires of most American citizens.

Thanks to Governor Brewer for providing needed leadership where none existed.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:42 am

atlshirt, you can get a drivers license without proving citizenship. Furthermore, most illegals are carrying duplicated social security cards, that is how lots are employed in the meat industry. I have firsthand experience with that. Very lax screening allows illegals to be hired with HR turning a blind eye, as long as they have some documentation even if the id is different from the last time the person worked there.
The problem is with employers and the check process!

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:43 am

Realist -
First I am not a neo-conservative, I am constitutional conservative, big difference, I believe in the rights of citizen not jesus. Second I grew up in LA and have many friends who live in AZ and their right are not being violated. Correct me if I am wrong but in order to get a AZ drivers license you must be a legal resident of the state. In order to obtain legal resident status then have at one point and time provided documentation that proves it. From that point one a valid drivers license w/ Social Security Number or Green Card/Visa Number with prove your status. So on a piece of paper in your wallet behind your drivers license you’ll have it. If you do not want or not eligible for a DL then you get a non driver ID card, found at any local DMV. Again provide the appropriate paperwork are you good. If your are not able to obtain legal resident then you are most likely illegally in our country should be sent back.

It is my understanding that people who will be targeted by this law are not randomly profiled and then detained bu rather committed some violation like a traffic stop and if they are found not to have any identification they are detained and questioned. Sounds to me all you have to do is provide a valid ID similar to the way our airports work . And just like safety in air travel, I am willing to deal with the hassle in exchange for security and protection.

Gary

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

As demand for resources including our state university system are busting at the seems forcing many kids to go to private for profit schools like the University of Phoenix and Devry at 3 to 5 times the cost of a Kennesaw State, I am outraged that there is some much sympathy for a non resident student paying in state tuition. That is subsidized by a state that is completely broke. This is tens of thousands of dollars being stollen from the state using false statements and documents. I am sure there are loans as well and other benefits she is taking advantage of at a cost to other students. Would it be okay for me to lie about prior work experience and my education in hopes of bettering myself with a higher paying job on false pretense. How is that fair to the employees around me. How many teachers lost their jobs this week because the state budget is tapped. How much state money is spent educating, training, feeding, housing, clothing, and healing people who have no right to be in the state. They do not pay taxes (no, sales tax does not count) they do not live above poverty levels. Yes Cynthia. Most people feel this way. I am sorry the Guatamalla and Nigeria are miserable places to live. But if you want to be here or any developed nation you have to play by the rules. If not, you will have to pay for the risk you have taken.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

THIS IS REAL SIMPLE…IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND YOU DEFEND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION LIVE IN A HOUSE BUILT BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND MAKING STUPID RANTS LIKE THIS YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO LIVE HERE AND YOU SHOULD LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.

fyt

It's The Tone, Stupid

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

Lt Col – I applaud your service to the country. However, the text you quoted is a poem – it is not in the constitution or any other law. It is just a poem and it wasn’t even placed on the Statue of Liberty until about 30 years after it was already standing.

Larry

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

Gasp!!! A liberal journalist playing the race card? And standing on the side of criminals? LMAO. Some things never change.

Chris

May 13th, 2010
11:45 am

Everyone wants to help everyone, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Everyone wants to complain about the Health Bill and they want to know why their Insurance costs sooo much?? It cost that much because we ( Legal Tax Paying AMERICANS ) are footing the bill for Millions of Illegals Hospital and Dr. bills every day! Talk to anyone in a medical environment. Daily!!

Also our school systems are not free to (Legal Tax Paying Americans ) it’s in our property tax and I am always buying extra supplies for my child’s class. And school Lunch. My sister manages an entire county school system for lunchrooms. 73% of the students signed up for free lunches are illegal immigrants. That cost the county over 1.3 Million a year ! That is one county, now count up how many counties are in Ga alone and do the math. Now go nation wide with your math.

The solution!!!! We have cops at the hospital all of the time. We can’t tell anyone they’re illegal or we can lose our jobs for discrimination. Change that LAW and you will catch tons that way or they will simply stop coming for free baby deliveries and lots of other expensive procedures.

Also have a cop or cops for when they sign up at schools and when they can not provide citizenship papers don’t allow them to sign up and then haul them to INS. Which needs to change it’s laws because if someone is here illegally than they know they are here illegally. They are smarter than our politicians (which most people are )because they are coming here to take advantage of the loop holes.

We all want to help and we should for those who are here doing things the right way!

lovelyliz

May 13th, 2010
11:46 am

As a liberal, I support dealing with the illegal immigration problem, I just don’t believe that is what the politicians in Arizona are doing. I think they are trying to score easy political points by blaming the illegals and poor legal Hispanics for the issues that face the state.

Is crime a problem? Yes, but it’s a problem everywhere and you are much more likely to be victimized by a 100% legal, US born and raised, male citizen than you are by an illegal.

Do illegals cost taxpayer $$$? Yes, but then they also may sales taxes, through rent they support property taxes and with a Social Security number, they pay payroll taxes without ever drawing retirement or disability benefit. In these cases, they also pay income taxes without getting the $$ back in a refunds and let’s admit, these guys don’t make much, so if legal, they would be getting a refund. Illegals don’t get welfare, again neither do they set SSS retirement benefits or welfare. Just because someone looks Hispanic and speaks Spanish does not make them illegal.

What can be done instead of going after brown people? If Arizona politicians were serious, truly serious about dealing with illegal immigration, they would be going after those who import and hire illegals. They know who these business owners are. I am sure they could arrest anyone who looks like they hire illegals and if they don’t find they possess, on their person, all the files to prove the legality of all their employees, throw the business owners in an ICE detention faculty until the paperwork does show up. If it never comes, take away their business licenses.

jconservative

May 13th, 2010
11:46 am

I am not surprised a majority of voters support the Arizona law.

Most of my fellow citizens are frustrated and, hopefully, they are frustrated with themselves. For the past 30 years the voters have set back, listened to the politicians bend the truth about the opposition party, claim they are in the “right” and the opposition wrong, and swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Suddenly they look up and behold! There is a $12 trillion dollar debt for their kids to pay off. Illegals are running all over the place & no one lifts a finger. Millions are unemployed with no hope of a job on the horizon. Politicians just spent over a trillion dollars on two wars with nothing to show for it.

The voters soft comfortable existence in their made up world of low taxes, low gasoline prices, low interest, big comfy houses and high government services has simply gone “poof” and disappeared right before their eyes.

Now they are scared. They lash out at the nearest target. Illegals are a close target. Incumbents are a close target. Government spending is a target, unless strangely, it is government spending that directly benefits them. That they hang onto tightly.

And I am thrilled that the American voter is showing signs of awaking from that self-imposed addiction to the soft and comfy life.

And, please, use my rule at the ballot box – never vote for an Incumbent!

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:46 am

Realist, I had to show my birth certificate when I first got my drivers license.. and because I never let it expire, I never had to show it again… Before any ID is issued to ANYONE, that person must PROVE that they are who they say they are… The problem is with the state and local governments, and yes, companies do need to do the right thing and not hire anyone suspected as being here illegally… god knows ID’s and Social Security cards can be faked!

DemBrooks

May 13th, 2010
11:47 am

Ms. Tucker, it is NOT profiling to require legal identification of some kind when coming in contact with law enforcement. I, as a white female, have to provide ID to make a withdrawal from my bank account at a bank I have been doing business with for years. I have to show ID if I should ever be pulled over for speeding or some other traffic violation. I have to show ID to vote. I have to show ID to buy liquor for goodness sake. My employer has a copy of my driver’s license on file. We U.S. citizens have to show proof that we are who we say we are EVERY DAY! What’s the problem?!?

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
11:48 am

“It is well known that illegals are bringing massive amounts of DRUGS across our borders which have an adverse impact on our children, schools, and economy.”

Junkies always blame their pusher.

ken

May 13th, 2010
11:48 am

I will type the word for you. ILLEGAL

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:49 am

DemBrooks – AMEN sister tell CT how it is! Ummm Hummm “finger snap”

lovelyliz

May 13th, 2010
11:49 am

Why isn’t Arizona profiling those who hire illegals? I lived in the state for several years. They know who these business people are, but since they are the ones who right big fat campaign-funding checks, that might be unncomfortable.

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:50 am

Americans need to stop giving jobs to illegals, period. We don’t even need a new immigration policy, we all need to step up and stop hiring any undocumented employee. It’s the law now that all employees must be documented.

As far as the girl at KSU – send her back, it not our fault her parents were hear illegal, it her parents fault, she should blame any punishment on her parents.

Mikeee

May 13th, 2010
11:50 am

Spew all your junk to the farmers family that was murdered & those innocent AMERICANS in AZ being threatened by this violence. How about this ……. ” It’s the LAW ! ” Idiot …….

skeeter

May 13th, 2010
11:50 am

Cynthia Tucker is crazy; she is a typical media type – spinning every story to suit her screwy view of the world. She is annoying as hell.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:51 am

You guys are misinterpreting the Liberal position on this. Liberals are not for illegal immigration.
However, I do not want to give cops the power to subjectively pull someone off of the street and ask them to prove citizenship. This is setting up a system for harassment. Yes, you will catch plenty of illegals this way, but you will also have citizen rounded up in the process that do not have I.D. available for whatever reason. This is NOT the American way!!! Put yourself in a hispanic American’s shoes. You were born in Az. You served your country proudly in Iraq. You come home, and contribute to society. You are walking down the street and sheriff Buford T. pulls you over and demands ID. You do not have it for whatever reason, Now you are being taken to jail.

Or, you do have it and this is a recurring harassment you are forced to endure after proudly defending your country.

How is this okay?

HDB

May 13th, 2010
11:52 am

Libertarian May 13th, 2010
11:26 am
“@HDB if you get profiled you get a ticket, big deal.”
Excuse me, I was always taught there is a PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE…I am innocent until PROVEN guilty…but does that only apply to Caucasians?? If you are a person of color, you are GUILTY and must PROVE your innocence!! That’s not the nation I swore to defend!!

“Getting into a lesser law school can negatively affect the rest of your life. So in 188 years can we stop Affirmative Action? At what point would you say your race has “caught up” from my races supposed “head start”? ”

Getting into a lesser school can affect a person’s life? What about hard work, individual pride??? There are those who have propsered though they did NOT attend Harvard, Yale…..Are you denying what conservatives have been preaching to the masses??

I thought perhaps a black president might be that point…guess not. You’re a hypocrite just like Cynthia. Making a decision based on race is ok in some instances but not others. How can you live with your hypocrisy? How can you logically say that affirmative action is fair?

1) Affirmative Action only grants ACCESS to the institutions that have been previously denied to people of color; the primary beneficiaries of AA programs have been WHITE WOMEN!!!! Was it fair for them to be kept out of the workplace? Was it fair for them not to be promoted? Is it not a conservative axiom that the market place makes economic decisions…and if a segment of the marketplace is denied BY LAW, that the law musy change to address that market?? THAT’S ALL Affirmative Action has done…..but too many blame AA for what’s happening…..all it ever did was open pathways that have been previously denied!! In that aspect, YES, it’s fair!!

2) When should it stop?? Answer: when race is NO LONGER an issue in this country!! When being the FIRST is no longer the situation!!! The problem is — race is an issue….has always BEEN an issue….an in our current lifetimes…will ALWAYS BE an issue!!

It’s not hypocritical to note what is going on…it IS hypocritical to DENY what’s going on!!

Ragnar Danneskjöld May 13th, 2010
11:29 am
Dear Dunwoody Mike @ 11:04, I respectfully think you err: “And this is why matters of civil rights can not be left to a public vote. Just imagine if the southern States voted on civil rights in the 1950’s.” I remember the 1960s vividly, and I am comfortable the integration of Alabama football and Kentucky basketball were both unrelated to Congressional statutes. Black folks proved themselves worthy in “the market,” here, on the gridiron and on the hardwood.

Ragnar – it was a COMBINATION of things: 1) Intergration under FEDERAL ORDERS…and the National Guard that alllowed black students to enter the University of Alabama…and when Bear Bryant invited John McKay’s Southern Cal team to play them in Tuscaloosa….and Sam Cunningham ran THROUGH the Alabama defense did the Southeastern Conference begin to integrate!! It was Texas Western’s beating Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament that made Kentucky open up…..remember the FOOTBALL team integrated first…..and Tom Payne was Adoplph Rupp’s first black basketbakk signee….and Tubby Smith was Kentucky’s first black coacj…and HE won the NCAA title in his FIRST year!!

I remember the problems that Hamilton Holmes and Charlayne Hunter (Gault) had when they integrated UGA….it took a LOT for them to be accepted as alumni……

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
11:53 am

Cynthia Tucker is crazy; she is a typical media type – spinning every story to suit her screwy view of the world. She is annoying as hell.

Don’t let the door hit you in the @ss on your way out.

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:53 am

“Junkies always blame their pusher.”

… posts the law-breaking sympathizer :)

Dan

May 13th, 2010
11:55 am

Realist this law does not allow police to pull people of the street randomly, it simply allows them to ask for identification after they have been stopped for something else and they have reason to believe they may be illegal. Essentially it extends the INS jusrisdiction and policies to local law. It is extremely difficult to form a cogent objection to his policy

Bryan

May 13th, 2010
11:56 am

LOVELYLIZ,

You say illegals with a SSN pay payroll taxes. It has been a long time since I got my SSN, but don’t you need to provide proof of citizenship, maybe even a birth certificate? If an illegal has a fake SSN where does the money go they are supposedly paying? What about all the day labor or people paid off the books? What is their contribution to the American economy?

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:56 am

@ Realist “Profile” and “harrass” me all you want, I have done nothing wrong. :)

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:56 am

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:51 am

Now do you believe us when we say that America is Turning into a Communist Country ??? DEMS AND REPUBS AT WORK… They want to CONTROL US ALL !!!! IT IS PAST TIME FOR US ALL TO UNITE AND RUN OUR GOVERNMENT OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND ESTABLISH A NEW ONE!!!!

Mike

May 13th, 2010
11:57 am

The State of Georgia funds the following for education per year per child:
$6,328 per ESOL child (non-English speaking)no matter the grade.

For English speaking students:
$3,800 per Elementary child (average taken more is spend for K-3)
$3,100 per Middle School child
$2,700 per High School child

The American people should be sick and tired of spending tax dollars for those who are here illegally. I support Arizona and hope the law spreads to many other states if our federal government isn’t going to act.

Meme

May 13th, 2010
11:57 am

Cynthia, I think you might be one of the few people who is surprised that so many United States citizens support this measure. I don’t say Americans because anyone who lives on either the North or South American continent is an American.

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:59 am

kamchuck, your to stupid to debate with…if first requires intelligence and some form of experience in the area of conversation and you don’t have either. I have some great MEXICAN employees ( along with other nationalities) that have come here the legal route and they don’t want this crap you want either. Statement stands just get the hell out of here if you don’t want to obey the laws.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
12:00 pm

Dan, you are wrong. It does give the police the power to stop someone walking down the street and force them to prove they are legal.

kimmer

May 13th, 2010
12:01 pm

Bewildering? Why is it bewildering that most American’s support and effort to do something about MILLIONS of criminals pouring into our country unchecked.

What is bewildering is those who don’t support it. Especially the Hispanics that did it the right way. Think about how it makes you feel when you wait patiently in a long line to get on a ride when you see someone jump the ropes and go right in.

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
12:01 pm

Realist

May 13th, 2010
12:00 pm
Dan, you are wrong. It does give the police the power to stop someone walking down the street and force them to prove they are legal

Kind of like saying “Show me your Papers” Reminds me of Nazi Germany…. HEIL OBAMA !!!

mel

May 13th, 2010
12:01 pm

Law Abiding Citizen – I suppose you have never broken any law? Never gone over the speed limit? Never cut class once?
If only we could all be as perfect as you.

GoldenDawg

May 13th, 2010
12:01 pm

I know when I have been in Mexico I have to have my proof on me at all times. What makes this law any different from what me or anybody else has to do when they are pulled over? We must show our drivers license, is that not proof of citizenship?

DD

May 13th, 2010
12:02 pm

Never mind the fact that even the reporter NEVER read the law and doesnt know what is actually n there. Most Americans are FED up with Illegals and Obama and Reid and Pelosi Doing nothing. Citizens are dying at the hand off these illegal aliens. Unsocumented is just the progressives nomenclature to change public opinion. Sorry the straw has now been broken. The pushback has arrived. If you want another American Revolution then keep up the anti-USA pro-illegal, pro-ACLU, Pro-La raza support. The mass media is the worst stoker and provider of false information. Read the bill.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:02 pm

Contractor May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

“HBD,

Keep your slavery BS to yourself. I don’t feel sorry for you in the slightest bit. How about you grow up and quit living in the 60’s. 188 year head start? So it seems you deserve to be given 188 times more preferential treatment than white people?”
No…I desire to be treated as an AMERICAN citizen….but that didn’t happen until 1964!! You tell me to grow up and quit living in the 60s; when American QUITS using race as a basis to consistently DENY people their rights, then I’ll quit screaming about it!! The problem that you refuse to admit is that white people HAVE SYSTEMIC preferential treatment!!

“Diversification is a ploy set forth by affirmative action to allow the less smarter people of color have their chance over a more deserving white person. ”

That’s the TYPICAL response from those who don’t know or understand the law as it was written. Affirmative Action states that people of color are granted ACCESS…but must be judged on a similar standard!! The question is that when the rules of the game are constantly changed by those in power, how can someone be allowed to play??? Don’t blame the person who’s trying to succeed; blame the person who CHANGED THE RULES!! Like the saying: Don’t hate the PLAYER, HATE THE GAME!!

“And I am very tired of reading about you getting pulled over and profiled, so give it a rest. I have a feeling you won’t shut up until you have ownership of the entire white population”

No…don’t want to own you….can’t afford it!! When YOU experience the denial of the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE…THEN you’ll understand!!

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
12:03 pm

Realist – You’re an idiot. Learn to read the law doe snot allow police to do that. Another spin from the media you blindly have faith in. Go back to the Huffinton Post.

Big D

May 13th, 2010
12:04 pm

HDB, the laws apply to CITIZENS…

Dave-z

May 13th, 2010
12:04 pm

I don’t know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.

I don’t blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America , as it is a truly wonderful place.

But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don’t care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

I don’t need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don’t have any-thing against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don’t believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it’s tanta-mount to saying, “I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there’s nothing you can do about it.”

It’s an “in your face” action and speaking just for me, I don’t like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn’t be happening.

Where are you, you bunch of lily livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again? And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won’t mean anything anyway Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won’t enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls, guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain’t paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want some thing done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.

This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can’t happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grand-children will inherit. But I guess that doesn’t matter as long as you get re-elected. Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to call you

And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don’t have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to face reality.

And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million illegal in this country and turn around and say, “Oh it’s ok, ya’ll can stay here if you’ll just allow us to slap your wrist.”

And I know that some of you who read this column are saying “Well what’s wrong with that?” I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don’t know who they are, where they are or what they’re up to and the way the Congress is going we’re not going to.

Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well? If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan? I think not.

All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
They don’t show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don’t tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegal some fat cat hired to pick his crop.

I want to make two predictions.

No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.

No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind ofweapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue.

I don’t know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say, “I don’t care who I make mad and I don’t care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I’m going to lead the fight to get it straightened out.” I don’t blame anybody for wanting to come to America , but if you don’t respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others? And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes Please get that other one out of my face.

God Bless America

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
12:04 pm

“… posts the law-breaking sympathizer”

I’m sorry, Law (snicker) Abiding, you seem to have mistaken me for one of those Republican Saxby Chambliss supporters.

mel

May 13th, 2010
12:04 pm

kimmer – it is bewildering that so many people are rushing to give up their freedoms given to them under the bill of rights! It is bewildering that so many people that favor this law can’t see it for it is – a political move by the right. It is bewildering that people aren’t screaming for real action that will actually make a difference with the illegal immigration debacle – and that is going after those that employ them.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:05 pm

@ Aquagirl –

Sorry for the non-response about Meth addiction. I was attending to real world stuff…

PBS Frontline did some research in a 2006 documentary that showed when the supplies were cut off to Meth labs the purity went down and the price went up. This reduced addiction rates as well as the seriousness of the addiction. Sadly when looking for a link to the study I saw the Frontline update that said the purity is as high as its ever been and interdiction efforts only had a temporary effect on the supply which ended when the efforts were over.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
12:05 pm

Hey DD, you can blame the current administration all you want but your beloved BUSH did nothing to stop illegal immigration. He catered to them to win the hispanic vote in Texas!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:05 pm

GoldenDawg

May 13th, 2010
12:01 pm
I know when I have been in Mexico I have to have my proof on me at all times. What makes this law any different from what me or anybody else has to do when they are pulled over? We must show our drivers license, is that not proof of citizenship?

NOT IN ARIZONA!!! As the current state of the law is written, only an ARIZONA drivers’ license is proof of citizenship in Arizona. If you are a visitor to the state from another state, you must have proof of citizenship…..passport, birth certificate……

W Bingham

May 13th, 2010
12:08 pm

I don’t get it, all Arizona is doing is what the federal government will not do ENFORCING THE LAW! what the hell is wrong with people? what part of illegal do they not understand? its way over due that somebody do something. If we don’t get control of our borders we are going to become a third world nation. Democrat’s or Republicans both seem not to care all they want is another vote meanwhile the country is going down the drain. All the illeagles want is a free ride. They need to fix their own countries and stay their. I have more than one fore father that fought in the American revolution, I have served my country as my father did, citizenship should not be free. We see what letting all these people into this country has gotten us recently with the time square event and many others not mentioned by the press. Real Americans WAKE UP!

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
12:09 pm

HDB -
That is actually false, because I do not need anything outside of my VALID state license to enter and travel through AZ. Again if you are able to provide a Valid state issued ID and corresponding SSN or Visa number then you are free to do whatever you want. Personally I have memorized my SSN because of stupid comcast always screwing things up and asking for it when I call, not a hard thing to do carry an ID and know you SSN.

Oxymoron

May 13th, 2010
12:09 pm

Cynthia, you are a hypocrite. You committed racial profiling when you adopted your child – couldn’t just pick the one the needed the most love, but had to pick the one that had the same skin color like you.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:10 pm

Big D May 13th, 2010
12:04 pm
HDB, the laws apply to CITIZENS…

No, the LAW applies to ALL people!! If I’m in Europe and break the laws there, I’m judged as a law-breaker!! I’m not racially profiled, followed as if I’m SUSPECTED of being illegal…..I have the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!! THAT’S what people are giving up….the Constitutional RIGHT of the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!! Are you publically stating that a person of color is automatically GUILTY…and must PROOVE their innocence?? Is THAT the American way?? (In too many cases, it IS!!!)

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:10 pm

The Arizona law does not give anyone power to demand someone show papers when walking down the street. It never did have that power. In fact it is more restrictive than Federal laws in that regard. I think it was a terrible PR move however and doesn’t do much to protect the border over what enforcing the current law would do.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
12:11 pm

Rex – I forgot about his nose, sure that is it. He bows to foreign dictators and looks down his nose at us.

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
12:11 pm

See i have been in trouble before and pulled over, and you know what, every time i have been detained I have had to provide my DL and SSN because it verifies who I am. Kinda of important when running a background check you know?

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
12:12 pm

Oxymoron – did not know that. How do you get your information? She should not be racially profiling those babies.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
12:12 pm

kamchuck[sic], your[sic] to[sic] stupid to debate with…

Three typos in seven words and you call me stupid? Can’t make this stuff up.

Oh, and by-the-way—where have I ever said that I was against this law?

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:13 pm

CT Congratulations you blog has achieved true diversity. There are racist idiots of all ethnicities posting today. :-(

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:13 pm

Craig – The real Criag May 13th, 2010
12:09 pm

No, Craig…you’re mistaken!! You can have a valid driver’s license from another state to drive, enter, and leave…..but as the law is WRITTEN, only an ARIZONA driver’s license is PROOF of citizenship in ARIZONA!! If you are asked for proof….the CURRENT proof of American CITIZENSHIP defaults to having a PASSPORT!!

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
12:13 pm

HBD -
Again you are wrong, in some European countries you are guilty until proven innocent, the same way it is in MEXICO! Another reason how the US separates itself form other countries.

Javier

May 13th, 2010
12:14 pm

As a half Mexican who’s father’s family came here Legally (they currently live in AZ as well), I am 110% behind this law. The United States is at risk more than any other nation in the world when it comes to illegal immigration. It’s not just about labor, it is also safety and security.

Shame on all of the liberal cities trying to punish a state for making it’s own laws to protect it’s citizens.

LA, SF etc, I boycott you!

law101

May 13th, 2010
12:14 pm

The writer of this article seems to want everyone to forget and ignore the fact that EVERY illegal immigrant in this country is committing a crime. Doesn’t anyone understand, that is what the word illegal means?

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
12:15 pm

Thats funny because my best friend who is a professor at ASU is an Inidana resident and he did not have to provide a passport last week when he got a speeding ticket, maybe you should know people in AZ before you spout off on things you have no idea about.

Katherine

May 13th, 2010
12:15 pm

It is not racial profiling….read the actual law before you write an article about it.. When I have been pulled over I have to show my license, proof of insurance and registration to the police officer. How is this any different? I for one am sick of ILLEGALS thinking they have the same protections as actual citizens. If they want those protections respect our laws and our borders and come here legally.

Paulo977

May 13th, 2010
12:16 pm

Worthington
May13th
8:41am
re:”set up a Ellis Island type post ……….to welcome Latinos…etc”
Wonderful idea . Unfortunately those long ago immigrants were sort of different , weren’t they? I mean they felt they had a right to the ‘goodies’ in a land that was captured by similar people and then once they got their hands on the the ‘goodies’also through exploiting the labor of African slaves , by the way, they set up structures to prevent ‘certain’ human beings from having access to the ‘goodies’. I am afraid all this talk about illegals causing all the problems we are now facing is sheer nonsense and these polls prove we are scared that we will be overrun by non white human beings ..That is what they mean by “We want our country back”

Del

May 13th, 2010
12:17 pm

Cynthia, if you feel that American opinion isn’t to your liking, Hugo Chavez, I’m sure could find a place for you. Maybe you could blog from there.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
12:17 pm

Well Cynthia, job well done. Went to your ace in the hole and look at the responses. Congrats.

resno2

May 13th, 2010
12:18 pm

“The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona”

Duh!!! Maybe crime is down because those that had been committing those crimes have moved to more ILLEGAL immigrant friendly states like California. Or, maybe it is actually acting as a deterrent. WOW… it might actually be working!

Lee

May 13th, 2010
12:18 pm

The 10th Amendment is very clear about the State’s power to enact such legislation. When the Federal Gov’t turns a blind eye to an issue then the State must do something to protect its citizens, infastructure and programs. Georgia needs to enact a similiar law to curb the tide of illegal immigration and the poverty and crime it imports.

Reality Check

May 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

What’s bewildering is that you are allowed to share your political opinions for the biggest newspaper in the state. Your liberal views on everything is the reason why you have a job for a liberal paper like the AJC. Better enjoy it while it lasts, because liberal media outlets like the AJC, CNN, and MSNBC are a dying breed. Most “informed” people listen to conservative talk radio and watch Foxnews. The only people that agree with your opinions are brainwashed moochers.

Peachy Keen

May 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

The bottom line is they are here illegally. Hence, they are NOT legal. The don’t pay taxes to help ease the cost of the programs and benefits they use. End of story. They must go.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm

HBD – The target of the law are people who are ILLEGALS. They don’t deserve the same protection under the law. They broke the law when they crossed into the United States. If they go through the legal process and get documentation – a work visa for example,then let them stay. Until then, profile them and deport them.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm

Asked @ 12:05, that’s the recurring story of the drug war. Interdiction efforts are always temporary. How many drug busts have you seen on the news, with police showing off huge bundles of drugs, guns, and cash? It hasn’t done a thing except break our economy, foster disrespect for the law, erode personal rights, and produce unparalleled violence. Oh, and—flood the country with illegals.

More than 22,000 Mexicans have been killed, I don’t blame them for grabbing their kids and getting the h3ll out of there. These people moaning about illegals would do the same thing. I guess Mexicans aren’t allowed family values.

Billybob

May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm

The law doesn’t suggest racial profiling Tucker…..total fabrication. “Liberal political correctness” blinds your common sense on this….AND MANY other issues. I love the fact that you have to realize that you are in the uber minority on this topic. This means that you, the illegals, and a handful of others are on the same side. That gives new meaning to “Pulitzer Prize winner” doesn’t it? Go to Mexico without correct paperwork and see what happens Tucker.

ressee

May 13th, 2010
12:21 pm

Really why does Obama talk with his chin sticking out? I tried it but it hurts my nek.

Dan

May 13th, 2010
12:23 pm

Sorry to those who drink the liberal Kool aid and don’t read the law
The law DOES NOT give an officer to stop someone walking down the street simply to ask for ID, it simply isn’t true. As the great Ronald Reagan observed “liberals aren’t stupid they just know so many things that aren’t so”

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

I think that people like Cynthia Tucker have forgotten what racism really is. Having “sperate but equal” is racist. Having segregated schools is racist. Being spit on because you are black is racist. Being made to ride or sit in a certain area is racist. Having to get your food from the back door is racist. Being deported because you are ILLEGAL is NOT racist. Yesterday’s education blog referred to the struggles that are currently taking place in our school system. A lot of our country’s struggles, including in education, comes about from the illegal citizens in the USA. School systems, along with transportation, city parks and rec, etc, get their money from taxes. If you don’t pay into the system, yet use the system, it costs more money that our country has. I do not have a single issue with people from other countries. What I take issue with is seeing our country disintegrating in front of our eyes and there is more resistance to fix the problems than there is support.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

@ Lee

Gwinnett and Cobb (maybe more)have such programs it is called the 287(g) program. When people are stopped for traffic violations or other crimes, an immigration background check is done. If they are here illegally they are turned over to ICE for deportation. Counties must apply to become part of the program and get traiing from ICE to participate.

the Snark

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

Public opinion polls on laws mean nothing.

The problem with polling public opinion about a law — be it Arizona’s law or the recent healthcare bill — is that the people answering the poll may or may not know that the bill really says. Since few people have the time to read these bills, and fewer still the expertise to understand what they’re reading, most of the people being polled base their opinions on what somebody else says about the bill. And in today’s climate, with people who know better deliberately fabricating nonsense (e.g., “death panels”) and others who know nothing running their mouths (take your pick), damn few people are informed enough to answer any poll.

Sad times.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

Really why does Obama talk with his chin sticking out?

Maybe for the same reason William F. Buckley did.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:25 pm

Mike May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm
“HBD – The target of the law are people who are ILLEGALS. They don’t deserve the same protection under the law. They broke the law when they crossed into the United States. If they go through the legal process and get documentation – a work visa for example,then let them stay. Until then, profile them and deport them.”

The point is not who the law TARGETS…but how the law is APPLIED!! If, by application, the RIGHTS of a human being are denied, i.e., the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE…and the power is being granted to the POLICE and is to be used AT THEIR DISCRETION, then ANYONE will be profiled! THAT is NOT what needs to be done! Granted, the border situation needs to be addressed…but where was this outrage when Bush did nothing?? There’s more to this that people don’t want to admit!

Javier

May 13th, 2010
12:26 pm

Aquagirl,

That’s stupid. What about before the drug wars, whey were they coming in? Don’t talk about “family values”. This has NOTHING to do with that.

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:26 pm

The Times Square Bomber was legal. Sadly the US will not issue visas for people wanting to immigrate to the US from Mexico/Dominican Republic/Haiti and other poor Latin American countries. Those who are allowed visas from these places are based on either work/academic/athletic skills. So unless you are a baseball player from DR or a Mexican ice skater who will win the gold for the US you wont have a chance of coming in here!! They do not give work visas unless you have some sort of “skill” that cannot be fulfilled by an American.

That being said these people come here willing to do ANYTHING to help their families. You cannot blame a CHILD who comes over here illegally with their parents. They are innocent victims of this.

The KSU girl is a victim here – What is INS going to hit all the schools in DeKalb/Cobb/Fulton/Gwinnett and round up all the un-documented 3rd graders!?!?!

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:27 pm

@ Aquagirl- there we are agreed. Our efforts might be better trying to build viable industry and economy on the border states between Mexico and the USA. Of course that would set off cries of NAFTA is sucking our jobs, etc.

The drugs have to be addessed however, even if it seems futile. That is a driving force behind the unstable political situation in Mexico. We cannot do it for them though. They need to get serious about their own politics and not just send their perps over the border for us to deal with.

Cosby Smith

May 13th, 2010
12:27 pm

Poor Cynthia…still promoting hate. Read the bill, it does not contain, in fact, it discourages any type of profiling. The problem, Illegal or against the law…unfortunately most are of hispanic decent. Wonder why the hispanic community has not done more to clean up their own back yard so this would not be necessary. illegal, takning jobs americans will not do – why do we have welfare, crowding schools with non english speaking childrun draining time and learning to legals, crowding emergency rooms and running up total health care cost…gee it must be noice to break the law then go and hide behind some hidden vail…wonder if I can get away with speeding if I get to hide behind a hidden vail. tired of the hate promoting mongers.

Phear the Phuture

May 13th, 2010
12:28 pm

Craig @ 12:15,
Maybe only blacks have to show their passport to prove citizenship when pulled over in Arizona! Where is the outrage? This is a travesty – making only black people show their passports in Arizona!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:29 pm

Reality Check

May 13th, 2010
12:19 pm
What’s bewildering is that you are allowed to share your political opinions for the biggest newspaper in the state. Your liberal views on everything is the reason why you have a job for a liberal paper like the AJC. Better enjoy it while it lasts, because liberal media outlets like the AJC, CNN, and MSNBC are a dying breed. Most “informed” people listen to conservative talk radio and watch Foxnews. The only people that agree with your opinions are brainwashed moochers.

Most SMART people diversify their informational outlets; those that listen only to Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and Fox are so myopic, that they can’t see anything else but what they’re being told!! Branch out……

Not only do I watch Fox, MSNBC, CNN, Bloomberg, NPR locals….AND the BBC…I also READ…National Review, numerous newspapers (including the Arizona Republic)……

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:30 pm

JG – when she was 7 years old the KSU student was a victim of her parents bad decision to skirt the law. Now that she is 22 and an honors student she should be intelligent enough to know you have to renew your student visa, pay out of state tuition, keep a current liscense and insurance and TELL THE TRUTH to the police if you have failed to do any of the above.

Her mistakes go way beyond wanting to finish her education. I don’t feel any more sorry for her than a kid from Alabama who lies about their address to get in state tuition at a Georgia college. She should pay the fines and be thankful KSU has allowed her to complete her degree.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
12:30 pm

HDB … Sounds like you are into The Resentment movement.

Asking someone for papers is NOT a CONSEQUENCE or PUNISHMENT. Therefore they would not be presumed guilty. People are arrested all the time based under PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. Guilt and innocence is established at trial. Nice try though. You are entertaining as always. Are you sure you don’t know Mark Thompson?

Bryan

May 13th, 2010
12:31 pm

JG,

The Kennesaw state student was a victim until she became an adult (Almost 4 years ago, she is 22 correct?), she knowingly and willing has been breaking the law since then.

DollarDawg43

May 13th, 2010
12:31 pm

While I disagree with what most of what Cynthia Tucker writes I can tell that she is very intelligent and that is why I continue to read her after all these years. I suspect she uses that same intelligence to obey the laws of the land; she does not strike me at all as a law breaker.

Having written that, she uses the word “illegal” many times during the article and that is the crux of the issue: If someone is here illegally they are breaking the law, it is that simple.

Cynthia Tucker, to her surprise, is learning that this is not a political issue but a legal one. That is the reason both Democrats and Rebublicans support it so overwhelmingly. We may disagree (and passionately so) on political issues but the vast majority of Americans will always have a healthy respect for the law of the land.

Put simply, if you are here legally you have nothing to worry about. I am a natural citizen and, whether it be at a license check or using a debit or credit card, I have never hesitated to, or been nervous about, presnting proper ID.

Finally, as of this writing, it appears the KSU student cannot be found by authorities. Someone obeying the law has no reason to hide.

dw

May 13th, 2010
12:31 pm

Cynthia,

It isn’t that bewildering. People are tired of people being here ILLEGALLY!!! They are also tired of the crime that comes with many (not all) of these individuals. In a show of political correctness and liberal progressiveness, i think we could swap you for one illegal seeing that you so adamantly support ILLEGAL activity. Repeat ILLEGAL.

Guv Sunny

May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

Just so you know- while you think illegal Mexicans are the problem- BRAZILIANS ARE COMING IN UNDER THE RADAR- by the boatload! Literally Mark my words. Same problem. I’m just saying- its not just all Mexicans.

leon hargreaves

May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

I have been discriminated against for over forty years. Why? Because I am a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
First we have Affirmative Action, i.e. someone of color gets the job that I applied for. I, like most everyone else pay way to much for Insurance of all kinds because of the people that do not or will not get insurance. I like most pay way to much for retail items because of the shoplifters.
It goes on and on.
I say lets assimilate the immigrants in a manner that does not harshly affect our existing citizens.
I am just getting old and tired of all this B.S. like so many other Americans.

Alatsea

May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

I have traveled all over the world, the “power” of the US passport is amazing, but not as much as was 10 years ago. After being allowed to enter a foreign country I have been asked for “my papers” if you do not have them you will be detained and questioned until your identity has been confirmed. When entering any foreign country it is suggested to have your passport with you at all times. So what does that make us? The land of bend over come on in, take advantage of everything the US citizens have worked for, except for about 40 million of us, but don’t blow too much stuff up and don’t send too much of your ILLEGALLY stolen monetary gains back to where you were before you entered the country ILLEGALLY. A lot of this seems black and white, does it not? If you are in the country ILLEGALLY, you are in the country ILLEGALLY, where is the grey area or loophole? What we are allowing is a smack in the face of our ancestors, my ancestors, that came here LEGALLY, this is a mockery and needs to be fixed. This is not a partisan problem it’s every bodies problem. The enablers need to pay the price for hiring ILLEGAL aliens. And the border needs to be protected, it is only 2000 miles long. Arizona has used it’s sovereign states right to protect it’s foreign border. The BO is more concerned on how much salt we consume, what kind of smoke screen is that? Since he hasn’t had a press conference since July of 09 he needs to come out and face the nation as is required by elected officials, this is big brother, aristocracy type leadership. However the BO did answer 8 questions at the nuke conference, according to Propaganda and Denial Minister Herr Gibbs. I am still looking for the openness that this lying leader promised. He needs to be smacked down hard in November. And if he was white I would want the same thing, so don’t start your race card mantra. You with your heads buried in the sand or elsewhere need to get a grip on what is really happening. Big picture people, how far are we from following Greece down the entitlement economy and debt ridden toilet? Time to take the blinders off and take our country back.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
12:34 pm

Sorry to those who drink the liberal Kool aid…

Perhaps if you “dangle a carrot in front of us,” then we’ll get a “clean bill of health.” And if we “keep our nose to the grindstone,” then we may be able to “knock the cover off the ball.” This may, however, be the time to “think outside the box,” and to be “firing on all cylinders,” otherwise we won’t be able to “get our arms around this.”

Mrs. W.

May 13th, 2010
12:35 pm

Ms. Tucker: For starters, you are an idiot. Only in America would the immigration laws be ignored for so long, and one has to wonder why? Could it be because they Dems get more votes that way from all of you bleeding hearts..?? My daughter taught school in S. Korea for a year ( last year ) and she had to register with the local governemnt within a week of her arrival. She was not allowed to even buy a cell phone or get internet service in her apartment until she met their requirements, utilities would not be turned on either. The same thing for her boyfriend who studied in Brazil for six months. You are not allowed to just walk in to any other country and yet I don’t hear you screaming about the injustices of living abroad and brow beating other governments for their immigration policies. My younger daughter visited her sister in S. Korea and was not allowed to leave the Incheon Airport without proving where / who she would be staying with. They actually made her cry they were so mean to her. And as her mother, I will tell you that I really have no problem with the way she was treated. We need to treat people that same way and STOP worrying about offending people. If you are offended then stay the hell in your home country.

Clarity

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

Bigotry is bigotry? Come on. The demands on our infrastucture are staggering. Change the income tax to the fair tax to at least share the burden. If we do not slow the illegal train, we will eventually be a modern day Bosnia.

resno2

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

ressee: “Really why does Obama talk with his chin sticking out? I tried it but it hurts my nek.”

Because is makes it easier for him to look down his nose at those he is campaigning to.

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

HDB:

Affirmative action is discrimination and I do not care how many colorful ribbons you wrap around it. It is discrimination. Political correctness has become just as big a problem too.

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

So are you all saying that the day these kids turn 18 they are supposed to hire an immigration lawyer or get a visa or go back to Mexico? We welcome them into the school system with no questions asked and yet they are ill-prepared for the day they become of age.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

Dear HDB @ 11:52, good afternoon. I don’t think we have any serious disagreement of the proper roles of government here – the National Guard was probably necessary to wipe out the Jim Crow laws (thus to rein in the big government types in control of Southern governments at that time) and surely we agree on the role of the noble athletes in fully integrating black folks into the then-white bastions. In my part of the world Perry Wallace was the young fellow who changed hearts and minds.

pat

May 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

Racial profiling? Just who would be jumping fences to enter the country illegally? Danes? Congolees? No, mexicans.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:38 pm

Leon,

Please don’t go there. (My ancestors came over on the Mayflower and I’m as pasty white as they get). Opportunity abounds in America and Affirmative Action does not provide positions for the unqualified. There are occasional reverse racism cases but they are rare. I’ve worked for many employers public and private and the vast majority of people try to be fair and hire people because they have talents they need in their organizations.

I don’t like the white racism or the black racism I see on these boards, but then again some people have waaaay to much taste for being a victim no matter what their situation.

Yeah, OK

May 13th, 2010
12:38 pm

Cynthia,
Will your next article profile Louis Farrakhan and his racist views? I doubt it. All this bill does is enforce a Federal Law that Barry and his Libtard buddies are too afraid to approach. I am waiting for an intelligent argument that justifies not enforcing a law?? As for the crime rate in Arizona, you are 100% WRONG!! While the crime rate may have went down SLIGHTLY, the rate of VIOLENT crimes (like murder and rape) has Jumped dramatically. Just to put it into perspective for you, because you have proven that you can only write using filler comments from other people, Phoenix has a population of about 1.5 Million. New York City (city only, not metro area) has a population of 8.3 million, give or take. YET, the violent crime rate in Phoenix is DOUBLE that of New York City. Why is this you ask???? Because the Mexican Gangs and Cartels are using Phoenix as their own personal playground for Human and Drug Trafficking. How many of those people do you think are here legally? Please get you facts straight before you compose an article. It is embarrassing when you pull psycho babble out of you hindquarters at spew the libtard hate all over this great land. We can’t always fix everything by throwing hugs and rainbows at it. Sometimes we have to take serious action.

resno2

May 13th, 2010
12:39 pm

Mrs. W…bravo, bravo!!!

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

HDB:
Hates crimes are unconstitutional! You can legislate behavior but you can not lesgislate attitude or personal beliefs.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

JG – if the Selective Service system can deny a citizen federal scholarship money for not registering at age 18 I supppose a foreign national should be held as responsible for getting legal paperwork and a current drivers liscense by the time they are an adult. Yes.

brailey

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

Rev. Al- I am a conservative and a republican but part ways with the party on the subject of immigration. My white child was pushed down the street in a stroller by a hispanic woman that I love like family. She taught my daughter spanish, how to make tortillas, and all about latin dance. We paid her a fair wage. We had 3 legal nannies before her that stole from us, ignored my daughter and left my house filthy. I’m sure I’ll get flamed for my views but my great great grandparents immigrated to Ellis Island from Scotland and worked hard to scratch out a living in this country. I am all for allowing our law abiding nanny to do the same.

everyday American

May 13th, 2010
12:41 pm

just a friendly reminder from our government, summer is just around the corner, and with the gas prices set to be at 4.00/gal very soon, and your electric bill set to be at several hundred dollars a month(cap and trade coming), make sure you check your air pressure in your tires and wear less clothing…thank you..

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
12:42 pm

Only in America would the immigration laws be ignored for so long, and one has to wonder why? Could it be because they Dems get more votes that way from all of you bleeding hearts..??

Or could thirty years of cheap labor been the reason?

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:42 pm

Mrs. W has a good point. What is the accumulated income of Mexico coming from illegals sending money back to Mexico? In billions? Wow, oil and now illegals are draining the US.

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
12:43 pm

Am I mistaken when think that the only time one will encounter the police is when they are doing something WRONG? With the exception of roadblocks, if you are minding your own business and abiding by the law, you have nothing to fear. If you are payin taxes and here LEGALLY, even with a roadblock, you have nothing to fear. The only people that have anything to fear are American citizens who are breaking the law and ILLEGAL ALIENS that are here ILLEGALLY. It’s funny how that word ILLEGAL keeps coming up….

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:43 pm

Brailey,

Would it have been to difficult to help her get a work visa and pay her social security taxes as long as she was doing such a fine job for your family?

Seriously – why are we debating about excusing ourselves from the law- any law?

Can I pick and choose which laws I want to obey because I think they are fair? That’s not a Representative Democracy, that is Anarchy.

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:44 pm

brailey

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm
She would be just as loveable as a legal resident.

Bill Campbell

May 13th, 2010
12:46 pm

The American people are tired of these law breakers and a government that will not enforce the law!! The National Guard needs to be on the border to stop drugs and the criminals who are crossing the border. The spineless people in Congress will all be voted out soon! Ms Tucker…you need to move to France!

GoldenDawg

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

Has anybody read the final bill or is this just coming of the TV? The bill planly states ” A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: ”

Are you guys really that dumb to think that if I’m a police officer I would have the time to stop every person that might be illegal?

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

according to the Congressional Budget Office and the Social Security Administration, undocumented immigrants do pay taxes, including individual income, sales, property, and social security taxes.

Data from the Social Security Administration (SSA) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) suggest that some unauthorized immigrants use false or fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers (SSNs) to satisfy paperwork requirements during the hiring process and that employers use those numbers to withhold federal, state, and local income and payroll taxes for employees. Workers who do not qualify for SSNs can use Individual Tax Identification Numbers issued by the IRS to file tax returns, make payments, and apply for refunds. Although there are no reliable data on unauthorized immigrants’ rate of compliance with tax laws, the IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year. Other researchers estimate that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.

Several of the states whose estimates CBO reviewed used a model developed by the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) to determine state and local taxes paid by unauthorized immigrants. ITEP assumes a 50 percent compliance rate for income and payroll taxes.

Researchers from the Urban Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the Pew Hispanic Center, and the Center for Immigration Studies have assumed a 55 percent compliance rate for income, Social Security, and Medicare taxes.

As part of a larger study on migration, the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of California at San Diego conducted a survey of unauthorized immigrants and found that, in 2006, 75 percent had taxes withheld from their paychecks, filed tax returns, or both.
The presence of unauthorized (undocumented) workers in the United States also has a positive effect on the financial status of Social Security. The earnings of unauthorized workers are less likely to be reported for tax purposes than the earnings of the rest of the population and even less likely to result in future benefits, according to Social Security’s chief actuary. Although the magnitudes cannot be precisely determined, the actuary has estimated that unauthorized immigrants paid as much as $13 billion in Social Security payroll taxes in 2007. About $1 billion in benefit payments were made based on unauthorized work (for example, survivor benefits paid to U.S. citizens who were dependents of deceased individuals who had made payments into the Social Security system while performing unauthorized work). Thus, undocumented immigrants improved Social Security’s cash flow by an estimated $12 billion in 2007.

ken

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

Americans did not want health care and it was jammed down ou throats. No reason to think this will not be the same.

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

Brailey I am with you – my granddaughter had the most wonderful babysitter. She was kind and loving and is greatful to be here. She learned english – raised her family in one home (not a bunch of people living together) – embraced this country so who did she take a job from? Kindercare? Where an infant is charged $200.00 a week – and they pay the staff minimum wage?

When is the last time you saw an American line up to clean hotel rooms or toilets?

Lauren

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

I am a California resident born and raised! And I attend The University of California, Los Angeles, and let me say that I am 100% FOR the Arizona Law and 100% PISSED at the City officials of Los Angeles (as are MANY of us college Students). They Selfishly are not listening to us; the polls Don’t Lie, and are doing their own thing. And I am pissed! Instead of focusing on our Billion dollar LA debt, our POOR public education system, our filthy and Crowded health facilities, and Rising unemployment rate, they are spending time Boycotting a fair law. If Arizona did not stand up now, where would it end. NO ONE knows the torture they’re going through because they do not live there. Did you know that illegal immigrants are crossing the border, stealing identities (wallets, cell phones, passports, drivers licenses..) and selling them for a couple thousand when they cross back?? Exactly. Check your facts before you ‘Aww.’ because American’s are losing everything even their identities. I hope this happens to the city officials or their close ones so they will understand the mental and sociocultural torture. Not only is what LA doing, ruining ties us college students have across states for the future, but their messing with peoples lives (NBA players) and individual business ventures. How dare they? I like many people who LIVE IN (not just govern) LA support it. Believe me, anyone who disapproves will not be re-elected. Times are changing; and we’re coming up. Focus on our financial problems, not Arizona’s business. Thats why were in debt today!

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
12:48 pm

You asked – Good point. I often find myself riding my motorcycle a little over the speed limit. I wonder if I get pulled over if I can tell the police that I choose not to follow the speed limit today….

Alatsea

May 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

The prefix IL means not, so not legal. See how this is working?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

Dear You Asked @ 12:43, valid question: “why are we debating about excusing ourselves from the law- any law?” Best answer is that not all laws have the same moral basis. Whereas theft and murder are morally wrong, and law merely validates the common wisdom, other laws – immigration, traffic control, drug use – have no particular moral turpitude inherent in the violation. Magnifying the “dignity” of those laws with no real moral basis has the effect of debasing those laws founded on constraining immoral behavior.

Short version: laws with no valid moral or economic basis are unworthy of a mature population, and ought to be resisted.

Speed Racer

May 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

Why is it “bewildering”, as the AJC.com headline states, that Americans would support making sure our borders are secure and that the people in this country are here legally?

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:50 pm

The government won’t give work visas for housekeepers or nannies.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
12:50 pm

Javier @ 12:26, most illegal immigrants who came here before the drug wars are dead. They’ve been going on for quite a while, sorry you haven’t noticed.

I consider it “family values” when you don’t allow your children to get shot or to starve. Are you aware druglords import illegal immigrants to work pot farms on public lands? These workers are motivated, knowing their family back home is subject to the cartel’s whims. I bet you’d be raising a bumper crop if you knew your family’s life depended on it–literally.

timber64

May 13th, 2010
12:51 pm

Illegal aliens are breaking the law by being here. Whats funny is if I were to break the law, I go to jail!!!Illegal aliens on the other hand, cry racial profiling so they can continue on with raping of US taxpayer money and continue on with their illegal status!! Most of the people against the new Arizona law are the illegal immigrants here illegally. You are here illegally so either go through the legal process or get out, simple……………

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:51 pm

Drawing Black Lines May 13th, 2010
12:30 pm
HDB … Sounds like you are into The Resentment movement.

So you’re saying that you are comfortable giving the police unfettered power to pull you over for no reason…no probable cause…and you’ve broken no laws?? Sorry…I won’t go for that!! Since you’ve never been pulled over for DWB (as I have…too many times!)…you won’t understand!! Asking for identification WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE IS the presumption of GUILT!! I’m railing against that!!

leon hargreaves May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm
“I have been discriminated against for over forty years. Why? Because I am a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
First we have Affirmative Action, i.e. someone of color gets the job that I applied for….”

Not this again…..does this not sound like WHITE ENTITLEMENT?? Leon, here’s the question: are you ENTITLED to DENY a person access to success due to the color of his skin?? THAT’S what America has done prior to 1964..the only thing that Affirmative Action did was to grant the ACCESS….since you have greater competition, you’re blaming the players rather than the game……and since the rules of the game changed, we all are caught up in the NEW rules…..

Williebkind May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm
“HDB:

Affirmative action is discrimination and I do not care how many colorful ribbons you wrap around it. It is discrimination.”

Question: how would you have remedied the persistent discrimination that was legally and illegally done to minorities at the behest of the majority?? How is it when minorities are beginning to progress at similar levels as Caucasians, white entitlement rears its ugly head??

Ragnar Danneskjöld May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

Good afternoon, Ragnar — In this aspect, we’re on the same page…but for me, it was people like James Meredith, Hamilton Holmes, and Charlayne Hunter(Gault) that were the trailblazers……the athletes accelerated the process!! (Nothing against the athletes…….)

pat May 13th, 2010
12:37 pm
Racial profiling? Just who would be jumping fences to enter the country illegally? Danes? Congolees? No, mexicans.

FALSE! How about the Cubans and the WET/DRY facets of the law? What about the Haitians…who are turned away at every chance??

Look at the ENTIRE picture…and see how discriminating practices hurt EVERYONE!!!

Jack

May 13th, 2010
12:51 pm

The AZ law makes sense: That’s why Tucker is against it.

Ivan

May 13th, 2010
12:53 pm

Even if the Arizona law is racial profiling…..so what?

“Papers please.”
“Hey you! I’m innocent until proven guilty! You’re discriminating just because I’m brown!”
“I was referring to your Health Insurance card.”
“Oh. No problemo…here you go…..”

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

OK about 99 percent in favor of AZ. what will happen in November? I can’t wait!

American

May 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

Why is this a bad idea? These people are here illegally! I bet the immigrants who came over and gained citizenship the right way dont mind this law either! These illegals are cheating our system, and the ones who did it the right way are being cheated as well. If you are here illegally, I could care less if you get sent back to where you came from, because you broke the law to come here in the first place. This goes for all, not just hispanics.

76carman

May 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

Bewildering to you perhaps, but not to those who deal with the same problems in real life. Wake up to reality

t

May 13th, 2010
12:55 pm

cynthia, maybe the majority of americans understand what the law truly says and does and aren’t following the liberal race-baiting mantra.

Example: Police officer pulls car over for speeding. Asks for drivers license. The driver says he/she left it at home, as well as their car insurance. Because of the law, the officer now has the OPTION of checking the person’s name to see if they are a legal resident. how is this bad?

Legal in the USA

May 13th, 2010
12:55 pm

Cynthia, you will never get it. You won’t get it because you are against everything that is Legal in this country as long as it promotes your agenda. If you would listen sometime to the real problem…our infrastructure can’t handle masses of illegals…you might wise up and use some common sense. I say go after ‘em anyway we can and bring balance back to this country. If I had some vacation time I would spend it in Arizona because those people know what they are doing. I support them wholeheartedly!! Hopefully, Georgia will follow suit.

Some are more equal than others

May 13th, 2010
12:57 pm

Ahahaha, I like how Arizona law makers have taken a sh** on their own state. By passing this law, they’ve now made themselves public racists to the rest of America. Not only that, but the state is going to lose massive amounts of profit from tourists that have decided on boycotting the state. Not only that, but all the money that could help make the state and it’s people a better, more secure and safe place with better educational programs for people will now be funding the “capturing” of “illegal immigrants” which obviously isn’t true. This is just a racial profiling tactic. Quite the mistake since all these “illegal immigrants” actual bring in money and help the state. All this money that will be funded to enforce this stupid law will be the biggest waste and worst mistake the state has ever made. I’m glad the lawmakers will suffer, I feel awful for the people of this state.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:58 pm

Williebkind May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm
HDB:
Hates crimes are unconstitutional! You can legislate behavior but you can not lesgislate attitude or personal beliefs

I disagree – on the unconstitutional part!! If a person’s attitude lent to the commission of a crime on a particular minority, the category CAN (note the word!) be increased to a hate crime level!! Look, burning a cross on a lawn, hanging a noose…dragging a black man behind a pick-up truck (James Byrd in Texas)…or Matthew Sheppard in Wyoming……THOSE crimes not only fall under the murder statute…but also the HATE CRIMES statute….and those circumstances should be considered!!

Javier

May 13th, 2010
12:59 pm

Aquagirl,

Didn’t say there weren’t a few people who came here to get away from druglords, just that has Not been the driving factor prior to the major fighting that has been going on down there.

My father’s family didn’t leave Mexico because of drugs, but when they did it, they did it Legally.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:00 pm

@HBD

I understand your human rights arguement but I just don’t agree with you. They are here illegally and therefore should not be afforded the same protections as American citizens. I have no problem with anyone being afforded the protections of our laws if they enter the country legally.

Your arguement assumes that the police will use this law to profile people of all color. The legislator that wrote the law included a section of the law that makes racial profiling against the law in Arizona per his interview on CNN.

For you to become a target, you must be suspected of breaking the law, ie. traffic violation, robbery, underage drinking, etc. or exhibiting manerisms which convey that you are about to break the law ie. loitering.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
1:01 pm

She got caught…Too bad…she has had YEARS to become legal and didnt. Then drives without a license then lies about it…HA HA!!

CTs blog wont allow link…see front page AJC.

“Arrest warrant issued for undocumented KSU student”

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
1:01 pm

Oh, good. Let’s throw ‘em out and slam the door…and give the rest of the world one more reason to hate us. Sorry but we’re never going to defeat America-hate this way, and the terrorism that goes along with it.

Maybe someone should do a poll that asks: “Would you rather have illegal immigration or increased terrorism?” To some degree, it is a false choice, for there are other options. But at least it would get Americans thinking again, instead of giving out their usual knee-jerk responses to a call during dinner.

Rick

May 13th, 2010
1:02 pm

mini mi-mi May 13th, 2010 10:43 am

During their working life, undocumented immigrants in the United States will pay, on average, approximately $80,000 more in taxes per capita than they use in government services, owing to the fact that they are not eligible to take advantage of almost all of the social service programs offered by the federal government, according to a study released by the National Council of La Raza.
====================
Yeah like anyone can believe anything printed by the racist group La Raza that thinks Hispanics are superior to all others and don’t have to comply with the immigration and labor laws of the USA.

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:04 pm

So we get rid of all the illegals – now Farmer Brown has to pay a higher wage to the American – the cost of your food goes up. No more Mexicans cleaning your hotel room – hotel costs go up – no vacation for you this year. Pedro’s lawn service is now out of business – either pay a higher rate/do it yourself/or keep your lawn nasty. Construction takes a huge hit as well…..prices of homes skyrocket. Shall we continue? Oh not as many kids in school – so we need to downsize schools and reduce staff.

The Nerve

May 13th, 2010
1:04 pm

“Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking.”

I guess the liberals just keep thinking if they say this enough times, it will become true.

It is a lie. And they keep spreading it with the jolly hope and leg tingly anticipation that it will become true.

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

More legal – You are an a$$clown. Illegal immagrants don’t make anyone money. They cost everyone money. They make a lower wage so that saves people money right? Wrong. Becasue they make so little they are now eligible for public housing, medicare, free and reduced lunch for their children at school, free health care, pay less (if any) in taxes, etc,…Do you see the trend? Of course you don’t…

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

@Tom M.

Your assertion that deportation of illegal immigrants would lead to more terrorism in the US is absurd. Controlling our borders and knowing who is in our country would help decrease terrorism.

According to your logic, we don’t have the right to implement and carry out laws in our own nation. I hope there are not many who share your views.

Tony Linn

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

Yes, it’s about time. These illegals are costing us Millions of Dollars (including health care). Why should it be illegal to ask for your papers, heck, I want to do that every day. Put em back on a plane, far far away. Build them walls, just like the Great Wall of China (why not). If not, it will never end.

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

excuse me, More equal…

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:14 pm

Mike May 13th, 2010
1:00 pm
“@HBD

I understand your human rights arguement but I just don’t agree with you. They are here illegally and therefore should not be afforded the same protections as American citizens.”

The US Constitution states all PERSONS…the rights of the PEOPLE — not just citizens…are covered. Note the 4th Amendment!! Because of the Constitution..all PEOPLE are under its purvue when in the USA….I’m looking at the protections that the Constitution provide being eroded by xenophobes!!

“Your arguement assumes that the police will use this law to profile people of all color. The legislator that wrote the law included a section of the law that makes racial profiling against the law in Arizona per his interview on CNN.”

That’s NOT what the law states; the law grants the police unfettered power to ask for identification WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE and at the POLICE’S DISCRETION!! It’s already being done in Seattle…a Hispanic man gets kicked in the head by the cops for doing nothing when they were supposed to be looking for a man with a machete!!! The cops WILL use the law against ANY ande ALL minorities in Arizona. Too many here discount DWB (driving while black)….but it DOES happen…and under this law, it WILL INCREASE!!

Realist

May 13th, 2010
1:14 pm

Lauren, you said “Did you know that illegal immigrants are crossing the border, stealing identities (wallets, cell phones, passports, drivers licenses..) and selling them for a couple thousand when they cross back?? ”

Sooooo, this law will put an end to that?? Whew, what a relief!!! Criminals will find a way no matter what. This law is pure politics that opens the door for profiling.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

Javier, kudos to your family for immigrating legally. I’m just pointing out that many of these whiners would do exactly the same as the illegal immigrants, if their positions were reversed. People will do what they need to do to protect their family.

We have a long history of looking the other way while illegal immigrants pick our produce, build our houses, and cut our grass. Or import theirs to be smoked. It is US policy and demand for cheap labor which has created the problem. Blaming an illiterate with 4 hungry children is so much easier than looking in the mirror, isn’t it?

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

No G’Vegas they dont get public housing or food stamps (unless you are related to Obama that is)- they get WIC/free lunch/and medicare (just pregnant women and children)…..

This is not a problem that just happened overnight – this has been going on for generations and the goverment has not stepped in years and years ago to do something about it.

Alfred Montez

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

I suppose that the legislators who introduced, and those who supported this law will be voted back into another term knowing that this bills is destined for failure. Not that it was conceived for the exact purpose of fraud, but fraud is what the bill will produce. It will fail on so many levels, it will produce law suits. A deep mistrust, and hatred of law officers, not unlike the distrust and and hatred found in most crime ridden urban and inter city neighborhoods. Selective groups of human beings and related businesses will suffer heavy monetary losses. Not to mention the embarrassment and humiliation brought on, when stopped for appearing not to have assimilated by the Arizona officers who must do their job, knowing that it will cause more harm then good. What’s next? A brown star worn where it could be seen. Jailing those who would hire these modern day slaves would leave a vacuum in the donations bins of the politicians who produced the bill in order to satisfy the tax paying constituents.

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:18 pm

@Javier – Just curious, when did your family come here legally? Did your parent(s) have some sort of skill that allowed them to come here? Or did they just apply for immigration to the US?

DB

May 13th, 2010
1:19 pm

Profile me all you want. I have nothing to hide. If it helps find the people breaking the law then it is what is best. If you are here legal the law would have no impact other than a slight delay when being pulled over. As a teen I was profiled for having a cool car. Only got a few tickets. As an adult if I go shopping in a area where I am the minority, I get my bag checked at the door. No bother…I dont’ steal and don’t break the law. The KSU incident makes it clear. What if instead of a traffic violation it was a wreck and she hit your car. NO lisence and no insurance means your insurance foots the bill. Illegals should be cleared out.

Walker

May 13th, 2010
1:20 pm

Peadawg you’re nothing but a punk.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
1:22 pm

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:04 pm
So we get rid of all the illegals – now Farmer Brown has to pay a higher wage to the American – the cost of your food goes up. No more Mexicans cleaning your hotel room – hotel costs go up – no vacation for you this year. Pedro’s lawn service is now out of business – either pay a higher rate/do it yourself/or keep your lawn nasty. Construction takes a huge hit as well…..prices of homes skyrocket. Shall we continue? Oh not as many kids in school – so we need to downsize schools and reduce staff.

BINGO!!!! YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! ALL MEAT COST WILL FINALLY GO UP. DO YOU NOT EVER WONDER WHY MEAT COSTS HAVE STAYED STAGNANT OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WHILE THE COST OF DURABLE GOODS HAS GONE UP??? ILLEGALS FILL THE MEAT PROCESSING INDUSTRY!!!

Jeff

May 13th, 2010
1:25 pm

AZ has decided to do for itself what the feds wouldn’t do for them. Enforce the law.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:26 pm

Prices may go up but so will tax revenue for the government since Americcans will be earning a high wage. After we combat the deficeit, then a major tax break could go into effect so more American could keep more of their money.

You are right. It is simple.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:27 pm

DB May 13th, 2010
1:19 pm
“Profile me all you want. I have nothing to hide.”
If you’ve done nothing, why should you be profiled??

“If you are here legal the law would have no impact other than a slight delay when being pulled over.”
If you have the presumption of innocence and have done nothing, why should you get pulled over? Is that NOT a violation of your rights??

Why do so many wish to give up their rights under the guise of security when you are unknowingly assisting in the creation of a POLICE STATE??

Kate + 8

May 13th, 2010
1:27 pm

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Will John have me thrown into Federal prison.
Are the kids illegal aliens?
Will grammy spank my children without expressed permission.
John divorced me so he must be gay?

Tune in and lets find out the answer to those questions and MUCH MUCH MORE!!!

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HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:29 pm

Alfred Montez May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

Well said!!

John Birch

May 13th, 2010
1:30 pm

What we have is subjugation of the majority by a minority. The majority of Americans want something done about the illegal aliens but the politicians who want their votes do nothing about it. Next year look for Obama to introduce some type of amnesty program then the issue will really heat up.

mit

May 13th, 2010
1:31 pm

this is funny how the roles have reversed since the democrats are in power. before, when Bush was in office it was the republicans that shouted, what was it?, security at the price of liberties wasn’t going to work(even though they did the opposite). i know someone on here knows the exact quote. now its the republicans giving up liberties for security and the democrats don’t like it. anyway, KSU student is wrong, KSU is wrong, Arizona law is profiling and we will continue to waste millions on illegals with this law anyway. there are plenty of americans driving without licenses or insurance to that argument is invalid. but now you see the problem with the law netting legal americans too, which equals more money wasted. i don’t want to live in a country surrounded by a fence or wall or whatever else you want to wrap around us. The berlin wall coming down was a big deal, now you want to build one here?

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

The Feds have absoulutely dropped the ball on this one. AZ had no choice. Good for them.

What makes topics like these do difficult to discuss with lefties is they refuse to recognize that facts to begin with. No, this is not about racial profiling. Read the law.

Caroline

May 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

Actually, Portland Oregon also acted against this law. I wasn’t asked. I don’t think most of us were asked. So the Mayors of LA and Portland are against this Arizona. Not the people.

I think it is ironic that a law to make it illegal to come across the border illegally is an oxymoron. It should be in the first place.

Everyone, not just hispanics show ID to people every day, at banks, to buy a house, to open an account, to open a business, to even rent a home. We all do it willingly. To get an American Drivers License we have to prove we are citizens. Even those of us born here.

timber64

May 13th, 2010
1:34 pm

If your your innocent why worry if the law enforcement asks for your identification. I’ve been asked for ID form the police many times and I just show them my ID and move on. If you’ve got nothing to hide then just show your ID, quit cring and move on. Only the people that wine and moan like little kids have something to hide, plain truth!!!!!

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
1:36 pm

Mike @1:06 pm

I see no logic whatsoever to what you said, just simple-minded assertions. Yours is the perfect example of the kind of knee-jerk response I’m talking about.

Mike, how would you feel as a wannabe immigrant wanting to be a part of this great country, only to be told to go away and stay away? Would you still love America, or would you start to see us as part of the problem, perhaps the biggest part?

Terrorism is based on a hatred of this country you have yet to understand, and it’s not going to get any better with our giving everyone else the sign. In fact, it can’t help but get worse.
Just think about it, Mike. It’s not so hard to understand.

I Report/You Decide

May 13th, 2010
1:38 pm

Tom Middleton = Most Cluelss AJC Blogger…and that ain’t an easy competition to win…

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:39 pm

dcw May 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

Those of us who HAVE read the law…see where it does lead…and have EXPERIENCED racial profiling ARE speaking out against it!! It IS racial profiling!! Why is it that the right doesn’t want governmental involvement in our lives…but is now asking for it in many other categories??? What is is you REALLY want??

Realist

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

Caroline, “To get an American Drivers License we have to prove we are citizens. Even those of us born here.”

This is soo not true! I worked at many poultry plants that had illegals able to obtain drivers Licenses.
Most were able to drive with a license. How the did it, I do not know but it is possible and quite easy.

jmh

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

Another day, another story about race & discrimination from CT; what a surprise!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

timber64 May 13th, 2010
1:34 pm

NOT TRUE!! Why should the law have the right to pull me over WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE to ask for my identification??? Are you putting THAT MUCH POWER into the police’s hand??? Are you desiring of a POLICE STATE???

PLEASE SAY IT AIN’T SO!!

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

I don’t think we are abdicating the creation of a police state. We are for enforcing the law. If you are here illegally then you need to be deported.

If you are here legally then you are protected under the rights afforded you by the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and other laws like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for example.

According to US code, if you enter the United States illegally you can be fined, imprisoned, prohibited future entry and deported or any combination of those measures.

The law is clear and AZ is enforcing the law.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

HDB,
For illegal aliens to leave. For anyone who wants to come into this country to do so, with pleasure, as long as it’s the honest, legal way. That’s all.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:45 pm

Mike May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

Since the law states that the police need NOT have probable cause to question ANYONE…THAT’s the beginning of the creation of a police state!! NO matter how one arrived in this country, the US Constitution blankets it protection to ALL who are here…not just CITIZENS!! The law allows racial profiling….and allows Arizona to become a police state….IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:45 pm

HDB: Wrong. Show me where it allows racial profiling. What do we want? THE RULE OF LAW. Why is that a problem with leftards?

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

The American Way of Life “Fear and Greed”. You can’t have one without the other.

Sam What Am

May 13th, 2010
1:47 pm

It’s because 60% of us have read what’s in the law. “Probable Cause” must exist.
Doesn’t Cynthia understand that illegal immigrants take jobs away from citizens with few qualifications – many of whom are Black?
I believe 99% of illegal immigrants in the USA are (otherwise)honest and hard-working, but some are professional criminals, sent here by cartels.
If these ambitious, hard-working people stayed in Mexico, maybe they could improve that dis-functional country, which would also be good for the USA.
Have you noticed that the reconquista / Aztlan / la Raza advocates have taken over the demonstrations that began on Cinco de Mayo ? They don’t want a “pathway to (USA) citizenship” !!

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
1:47 pm

Obviously, Ireport, the problem is a little more complicated than you can handle. If you have some logic behind what you say, let’s hear it, even if you have to think a little bit first.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:48 pm

Jed May 13th, 2010
1:42 pm
HDB,
For illegal aliens to leave. For anyone who wants to come into this country to do so, with pleasure, as long as it’s the honest, legal way. That’s all.

Problem: 1) People wish to deny Constitutional protections to ANYONE…whereas the Constitution covers EVERYONE who is in the nation, not just citizens
2) Ronald Reagan FIRST created the amnesty program for undocumented aliens….and no one cried about it
3) GWB offered the same thing as Reagan did…did NOT secure the borders…and no one cried about it……

Now that Obama is in the White House..the cacaphony speaks volumes!!! There’s more to this than just what is being said!!

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

Tom

I understand the hatred of America that you talk about. I understand that in many places around the world we have a very poor image. I also understand that our country is a country of laws and part of those laws include immigration laws. Those laws need to be enforced.

America approved approximately 946,000 legal permanent residents in 2004 and approximately 5 million temporary visas in the same year.

I don’t think America is saying “don’t come,” I think America is saying “respect our laws” by entering the United States in a legal manner.

Dan

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

Hmm I post the link to the arizona.gov website where the law specifically states that someone may be questioned only when stopped for another infraction and it is “moderated” out. Amazing the lengths the press goes to hide facts when they belie their flawed ideology
You can all find it yourself on Arizonas website

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

I wonder how many of you would be okay if there were “check points” setup at every intersection that would require proof of citizenship for ALL. I know Yeah, Yeah – as long as it gets rid of illegals. But, I will call you all liars. You are the product of microwave ovens, microwave diners and fast food restaurants.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

HDB,
No, not really. People are finally fed up, that’s all. You asked a simple question, I gave you a simple answer. Everything else about Constitutional protection, who’s to blame, etc., is moot.

Gator Joe

May 13th, 2010
1:52 pm

Cynthia,
The poll results about this issue demonstrate how easily a segment of our society can be manipulated. The misinformation spewed by Right Wing media about undocumented immigrants is readily consumed by people and unexamined for veracity or logic. As Hispanic (3rd generation US citizen), why would I visit or support a state where discrimination, which racial profiling is, has been legalized. The most disturbing, and dangerous, response from anyone about this: “If your aren’t doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about when detained”……

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

And what are you a product of, Sick&Tired?

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

Tom Middleton 1:47

That’s a big “even if”

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
1:56 pm

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

I’m the product of a society that likes to racially profile people who are black, brown or just different.

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:57 pm

Sick&Tired: I believe you are. I know I am not.

Ivan

May 13th, 2010
1:58 pm

HDB,

The Arizona law doesn’t give police the power to “pull you over without probable cause.” However, we’re all prone to road blocks, which are done every day.

Keith

May 13th, 2010
1:59 pm

A person not speaking English is a good reason to ask for papers. Isn’t the citizenship test in English?

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
2:03 pm

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:57 pm

Well be thankful.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
2:06 pm

Keith

May 13th, 2010
1:59 pm
A person not speaking English is a good reason to ask for papers. Isn’t the citizenship test in English?

FYI, there are many Spanish speaking AMERICANS who lived in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Many families go back to before that part of the country was even part of America. If that is your basis, you do not have hte cops to stop all of those people.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
2:09 pm

Again Keith, how is that not profiling?

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:09 pm

Mike: The law is clear and AZ is enforcing the law.

And what does this mean to someone wanting to be an American but told to go away? It used to be that we represented something magnificent to the rest of the world, and now we’re in danger of losing the one reason the rest of the world (95 percent) has been willing to put up with us for so long.

You talk about the letter of law, and I’m talking about the spirit of this great country and the “freedom for all” in which we say we believe. Do you believe in this, Mike?

And are you a Christian and believe in the Golden Rule? If you are, then you should be able to put yourself in wannabes’ shoes and see us through their eyes, even if just for an instant. It can help you understand, Mike, but even more: It will give you a glimpse of our future should we forget who we are supposed to be and lose our very soul!

Dan

May 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

HBD you have been informed and even pointed to the actual law on the Arizona website stating specifically that documents cannot be asked for except if stopped for another infraction. I realize it is a liberal tactic to continue to repeat their talking points hoping to convince people, but even though some may choose to ignorantly drink from the well the truth remains the same and is easily attainable with 5 minutes research

A dad

May 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

It’s Bush’s fault!!!!!

jg

May 13th, 2010
2:11 pm

From the USCIS website – for those who would like to obtain a visa to come here – For DV-2010, natives of the following countries1 are not eligible to apply because the countries sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the previous five years: BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, ECUADOR, EL SALVADOR, GUATEMALA, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

May 13th, 2010
2:11 pm

Get over it Cynthia – If NObama was really doing something about this, it wouldn’t be an issue. Bend Over, here comes your CHANGE.

How about another 4 BILLION for Fanny Mae? Where’s that story? mmmm, mmm, mmm Barack the LIAR Obama.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:15 pm

Dan May 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

I’VE READ THE LAW….it states that race is not the SOLE reason…but it does NOT state that race IS NOT the reason!! Lawful contact is determined by the POLICE!! If I were sitting on my porch and the police pulled up, they could ask me for my identification because THEY determined that this is lawful contact! THAT’S PURE RACIAL PROFILING!!! Too many don’t see that!!

JF McNamara

May 13th, 2010
2:15 pm

Are you really suprised Cynthia? I mean really? The same country in which those in power allowed slavery, treated women as second class citizens, and allowed the near genocide of Native Americans wants to wield its power to keep down minority groups.

The facts remain though. They are here illegally, and by definition are stealing the benefits of our society. It is a problem that needs to be solved from both a securing our borders perspective and an payment of government services perspective. People feelings are going to get hurt, and the majority of Americans want it to the be the illegals. In a manner of speaking, it should be the illegals since they have no right to be here in the first place.

There is a benefit to them being here, but that’s hard for people to understand (or want to understand) when their neighbors and friends don’t have jobs or they feel as though they are being slighted by the illegals being here.

The Kennesaw State issue is a perfect example. Why should this illegal alien get to go to college when my kid doesn’t? Throw out the fact that my kid is a “C” student who could care less about school and that I wouldn’t save a dime or get a loan so my kid could go. That illegal shouldn’t have more than I have. I’m sure you know this is the mentality, and its no shocker that people like the Arizona law.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:16 pm

Ivan

May 13th, 2010
1:58 pm
HDB,

The Arizona law doesn’t give police the power to “pull you over without probable cause.”

Note my 2:15 to Dan……

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:17 pm

Kamchak@1:53 pm

Yea, Kam. I get kind of tired of kids on this blog throwing verbal spit balls in lieu of something intelligent to say. I know you feel the same. Are these punks the future of America? Maybe it’s best to just ignore them.

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

jg

May 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

The Kennesaw State issue is a perfect example. Why should this illegal alien get to go to college when my kid doesn’t? Throw out the fact that my kid is a “C” student who could care less about school and that I wouldn’t save a dime or get a loan so my kid could go. That illegal shouldn’t have more than I have……

The girl has a 3.8 GPA and WANTS to go to school – your kid could care less about school – something wrong with this picture?

That illegal shouldn’t have more than I have……NO COMMENT.

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:21 pm

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:22 pm

Crap! I give up. Tune in tonight Newsedge @11!

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

Berma Shave!

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

Tom Middleton

I’m sure that just as bad or worse was said about me—maybe even justifiably so.

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:26 pm

I read your stuff, Kam, and you make sense. Maybe we should just wait for them to grow up.

timber64

May 13th, 2010
2:26 pm

HDB. Dude you have never been pulled over for speeding, running a red light, running a stop sign, not using your blinker, driving stupid, being somewhere where you shouldnt have been etc. etc. etc. The police dont pull you over because they feel like it, generally you are doing something boneheaded is the reason you get stopped by the police. Either way, if your innocent you should have no problem. Are you hiding something??????????????????

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

Jf McNamara, You’re making too much sense.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

timber64 May 13th, 2010
2:26 pm
HDB. Dude you have never been pulled over for speeding, running a red light, running a stop sign, not using your blinker, driving stupid….

All of the above is probable cause; that’s within the police’s authority!!

… being somewhere where you shouldnt have been
Who makes that determination – the POLICE?? Don’t think so!! THAT’S RACIAL PROFILING!! What about the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!!

Are you hiding something??????????????????
Aren’t you forgetting the 4th and 5th Amendments??

JB

May 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

The problem is real . The crime is real. There are American citizens who work, own property, obey the law and pay taxes and live the American Dream and feel like they can’t take their family out at night or leave their property for a period of time and that is just not right. Nobody in the main stream press has listened to their story. How their rights are being eroded by this crime. I blame the federal Government. Profiling crap. Go to ANY other country and get caught their illegally. They won’t care to much about YOUR rights.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:41 pm

From the Arizona Star:

LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles City Council, protesting Arizona’s crackdown on illegal immigration, voted Wednesday to ban most official city travel to Arizona and future contracts with companies in Arizona.

“Los Angeles the second-largest city in this country, an immigrant city, an international city. It needs to have its voice heard,” said Councilman Ed Reyes, one of the resolution’s sponsors.

“As an American; I cannot go to Arizona today without a passport. If I come across an officer who’s having a bad day and feels that the picture on my ID is not me, I can be … deported, no questions asked. That is not American,” Reyes said.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
2:43 pm

HDB…the law does far less than more communist countries like China. China’s communist laws don’t appeal to your liberal sensibilities?

Dan

May 13th, 2010
2:44 pm

Still wrong HBD, you may have read it but you clearly didn’t comprehend it. They have no reason to come on your porch, if you are speeding yes that would be a contact for other reasons, (and if you are speeding on your porch your probably have a front gate ;o)

Anti-Obamunist !

May 13th, 2010
2:44 pm

Georgia needs the same law they have in Arizona.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:45 pm

JB May 13th, 2010
2:38 pm
I blame the federal Government…

How far back are you willing to go to assign blame?? You can’t start AND stop here with Obama…..where was your level of protest when Reagan gave amnesty? Where was your level of protest when Bush (41 & 43) did nothing???

Besides….you CAN’T leave or re-enter the US without a passport if you’re leaving from a port-of entry/exit! The passport also grants you governmental authority to LEAVE the US!!

Dan

May 13th, 2010
2:46 pm

@ JF Are you really suprised Cynthia? I mean really? The same country in which those in power allowed slavery, treated women as second class citizens, and allowed the near genocide of Native Americans wants to wield its power to keep down minority groups

Really? show me a country that hasn’t experienced these things in their history

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
2:48 pm

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

The 4th amendment died with the Patriot Act… and Obama did not Repeal it, Guess they (The government) does not want us to have any rights… look at how we are fighting each other over race, when we should be putting a stop to the lies that are being told to us through the Media outlets via our Wonderful, Powerful, all knowing government. :)

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:48 pm

Dan May 13th, 2010
2:44 pm

They DON’T need a reason!! All they have to say is that this is lawful contact….and they can ask!! If I’m dancing on my front porch and the cops are having a moment…they’ll say “lawful contact”!! It’s TOO MUCH POWER in police hands!!!

As I said before, too many people discount DWB…but until it happens to you, you won’t understand the experience…..and how the cops will manipulate the law against a citizen…….

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:50 pm

atlshirt.com May 13th, 2010
2:48 pm
No argument there…………

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
2:51 pm

HDB….TO your point: If (some) police abuse their authority and stop you “driving while black” why then do they need a law in AZ if it is so rampant?

JB

May 13th, 2010
2:51 pm

It’s all about 12 million new DEMOCRATIC voters and the Republicans won’t do anything because that will surely kiss any chance good by for them. It’s a mess and a shame.

Anti-Obamunist !

May 13th, 2010
2:51 pm

She an illegal alien. She lied and committed fraud. Jail her immediately then deport her immediately.

“It is sad that Ms. Colotl’s parents chose to enter the United States illegally and ultimately put her in this position,” Sheriff Warren said in a statement. “However, Ms. Colotl knew that she was in the United States without authority to be here and voluntarily chose to operate a vehicle without a driver’s license, which is a violation of Georgia law. She has further complicated her situation with her blatant disregard for Georgia law by giving false information.”

Anti-Obamunist !

May 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

Oh yeah… and she wants to be a lawyer. LMAO!

Michael K.

May 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

@ctucker and JF McNamara
The reason that people say Cynthia is has fallen off the port side of the boat is that she agrees with extreme, ignorant statements like those of JF McNamara. Women have had fewer rights relative to men in almost every country throughout history. However, America and other Western European countries were the first countries to give women the equality they still do not have in most countries. In basically every country outside of Europe and America, minority groups are treated poorly far worse than they are here. Plus, in most of those countries the path to citizenship is far more difficult and non-citizens have far fewer rights. Realistically, whites in America are probably more tolerant of other races and ethnicities than anyone else on the planet. Finally, the genocide of the Indians was basically inevitable. It’s an unfortunate, brutal fact about the nature of human existence that civilized people and savage peoples can’t coexist.

White people in America are very tolerant and I’m tired of hearing otherwise. I know I’m not alone in this.

JF McNamara

May 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

Dan,

I’m not saying America is unique in having the group in power holding minority groups down. I’m just saying we shouldn’t be shocked by it. Its the reality of our past, and its just repeating itself.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
2:54 pm

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
2:43 pm
HDB…the law does far less than more communist countries like China. China’s communist laws don’t appeal to your liberal sensibilities?

How absurd! To compare liberals to Communust China is idiotic. Why does the choice have to be either corporatist or communist? We happen to think there is a better way then abdicating 90% of our income to the top 2%. I work hard everyday but if no one is eating out or able to afford meat, then my sales suffer. Economies are built from the ground up. Trickle down from the last 30 years has brought us to the current jobless recovery!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:55 pm

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
2:43 pm
HDB…the law does far less than more communist countries like China. China’s communist laws don’t appeal to your liberal sensibilities?

NO LAW that denies my rights as a human being is a just law!! NO LAW that denies my Constitutional protections is a just law!! Since I’m not versed in Chinese law, I hold my opinion….but I will not consciously break the law!! What I see here in the Arizona law is legalized racial profiling; if you have yet to experience it, you would not understand..This is the beginning of the creation of a police state…and too many don’t see it!!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:56 pm

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
2:51 pm
HDB….TO your point: If (some) police abuse their authority and stop you “driving while black” why then do they need a law in AZ if it is so rampant?

First rule of law: CYA – Cover your @ss
Second rule of law: Don’t forget the first!!

jg

May 13th, 2010
2:59 pm

Any suggestions as to what these kids are supposed to do once they turn 18? I am happy to go over to Lakeside and start helping these kids prepare!

GWW

May 13th, 2010
3:01 pm

Ok…based on your logic…..a week ago, a guy beats his wife 10 times in a week, this week, he only beats her 9 times. Then it is ok because the crime has dropped from 10 times to 9 times.
I would suggest that people read the law and get the true picture. I know that some people do not want to be confused by the facts and would rather keep reciting their baseless interpretation. I would suggest that these mayors and organizations, maybe the President, that are for boycotts….spend the night in the house of a person that lives near the border. Oh….and don’t bring your security with you. Just you. See what the situtation is…first hand and then make your decision. Maybe the Mayor of Los Angeles would like to spend the day walking around some of his neighborhoods without security. Go with him Cynthia. Report back

96 SC

May 13th, 2010
3:01 pm

Who is approving applications for Illegals to receive public services such as healthcare, education, housing vouchers, food stamps, unemployment,aid to families with dependent children? If there is not a written or stated prohibition to extending these public services to non-citizens, then we need to recall the city, county, and state legislators who have failed to address this issue and willingly allow our tax dollars to be misappropriated.

JF McNamara

May 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

Michael K.,

Re-read what I actually wrote. Nothing I said was ignorant or untrue. It was fact based.

You did not deny slavery, you gave America a pass on Genocide, and you excused the extension of women’s rights because “Nobody else was doing it”. If we are the leaders of the free world and our mantra is Freedom for all people, then how in the world can you reconcile that. You went on to say that:

“White people in America are very tolerant and I’m tired of hearing otherwise.”

Huh? I guess your stance is that that white (men) are very tolerant of everyone else and everyone else should be grateful. That’s a very illuminating statement about you. If I’m ignorant, I’m not the only one.

timber64

May 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

HDB–If your out wandering around someones house in the dark and someone calls the police, they are going to ask you for your ID. Dont be such a moron to think they are going to ask for your ID while your sitting on your porch or eating at McDonalds. Thats just getting carried away. I dont have anything to hide, you must. Go ahead and keep waste your time worrying about this. Have a nice life dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:55 pm

No argument there… We are moving towards a Police State, which is exactly what China and the Former Soviet Union are… When they come for my guns, they can take them from my cold dead hands!! I pledged the oath to protect the Constitution, and so did you my fellow squid :)

Acer706

May 13th, 2010
3:03 pm

First, the “laws” being enforced by Arizona are Federal Laws. Second, of course American’s would support enforcement of a law that cracks down on criminal activity.

The feds really do have themselves in a pickle and are in a lose/lose situation as far as votes go with this one.

CT, please stop being so degressive and refer to it as “Criminal Profiling” and move forward.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

Michael K. May 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

“Realistically, whites in America are probably more tolerant of other races and ethnicities than anyone else on the planet. Finally, the genocide of the Indians was basically inevitable. It’s an unfortunate, brutal fact about the nature of human existence that civilized people and savage peoples can’t coexist.”

Question: who were the civilized…and who were the savages?? You forget the Native Americans were almost eliminated by DISEASE (smallpox) that CAUCASIANS brought with them from Europe! The Natives were civilized in their own methodology!! If the whites were so tolerant, why did it take a Civil War to end slavery? Why did it take the Civil Rights Act to grant black people in this nation the same rights as Caucasians? Why did it take Affirmative Action to allow white women and minorities access to education and the work place?? Why are the whites in Arizona…and their contemporaries…focusing on Hispanics with a law that legalizes racial profiling??

“White people in America are very tolerant and I’m tired of hearing otherwise.” REALLY??

Realist

May 13th, 2010
3:07 pm

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:02 pm
HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:55 pm

No argument there… We are moving towards a Police State, which is exactly what China and the Former Soviet Union are… When they come for my guns, they can take them from my cold dead hands!! I pledged the oath to protect the Constitution, and so did you my fellow squid

If you think that is true, then why did Obama allow guns to be taken to federal parks? He has done NOTHING to indicate he is taking away guns, quite the contrary.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
3:09 pm

atlshirt, is your last name Pollard???

Ron Mexico

May 13th, 2010
3:09 pm

Here’s a fun fact, hope this isn’t too racist for you people. Got to be good for the economy right?

Mexicans living in the United States sent a record $23.1 billion back home in 2006, putting remittances third after oil and maquiladora exports as a foreign-exchange generator for Mexico (Chart 1). Over the last decade or so, inflation-adjusted remittances have grown at an average annual rate of 15.6 percent. Since 2000, the rate has risen to 20.4 percent.

For Mexico, remittances are an important source of income and stability. In poorer parts of the country, such as the central and southern states, the additional income from family members in the U.S. is crucial to sustaining living standards and propping up local economies.

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:10 pm

Realist

May 13th, 2010
3:07 pm

there is a method to his madness… he also allowed for more Offshore drilling, and then, On Earth day of all days, an Oil Rig apparently exploded and it was BP’s fault for it… Now, no more off shore drilling…. for me, and for a Realist like yourself, you should be able to connect some dots.. Either we were attacked, or it was an inside job… just saying.

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:10 pm

Realist, my last name is Baldwin… you can do a who is search on my domain and find out who I am… I have nothing to HIDE :)

HDB

May 13th, 2010
3:12 pm

timber64 May 13th, 2010
3:02 pm
“HDB–If your out wandering around someones house in the dark and someone calls the police, they are going to ask you for your ID. ”

You keep putting forth situations where PROBABLE CAUSE is in effect!!

“Dont be such a moron to think they are going to ask for your ID while your sitting on your porch or eating at McDonalds.”

Under Arizona law, IT CAN HAPPEN!! The police, under “LAWFUL CONTACT”, can come to you in ANY situation THEY deem LAWFUL to request your identification!! You think it counldn’t happen here…but if it happened in WW2 Germany…IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!!!

“I dont have anything to hide, you must.”
As an AMERICAN citizen, I carry the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!! Even IF I had something to hide (and I DON’T!), I am INNOCENT in the eyes of the law until PROVEN in a COURT OF LAW!!!

I WILL NOT GIVE UP THAT RIGHT!! You may…but I WON’T!! I swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution….and that’s a part of it!!

Realist

May 13th, 2010
3:14 pm

Yes, yes. Of course environmentalist did it! that makes perfect sense. What planet are you living on?

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:16 pm

I would not say enviromentalist… they are too soft… but someone from a corrupt government just might… some people even think Bush plotted the 9/11 terror attacks…

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:18 pm

oh, and I have plenty of design experience, from Skyscrapers, to OIL RIGS…. I know how many shut off valves and procedures are in place to make sure that something like does not happen…. it was bomb, plain and simple!

Realist

May 13th, 2010
3:19 pm

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:16 pm
I would not say enviromentalist… they are too soft… but someone from a corrupt government just might… some people even think Bush plotted the 9/11 terror attacks…

Please bring back some common sense. Both thoughts are ludicrous!

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
3:19 pm

“Under Arizona law, IT CAN HAPPEN!!”

No it cannot – legally. There has to be probable cause. The AZ law has a higher standard for the police to request ID than the Feds are under for immigration enforcement.

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
3:19 pm

I think that people like Cynthia Tucker and JF Mc have forgotten what racism really is. Having “sperate but equal” is racist. Having segregated schools is racist. Being spit on because you are black is racist. Being made to ride or sit in a certain area is racist. Having to get your food from the back door is racist. Being deported because you are ILLEGAL is NOT racist. Yesterday’s education blog referred to the struggles that are currently taking place in our school system. A lot of our country’s struggles, including in education, comes about from the illegal citizens in the USA. School systems, along with transportation, city parks and rec, etc, get their money from taxes. If you don’t pay into the system, yet use the system, it costs more money that our country has. I do not have a single issue with people from other countries. What I take issue with is seeing our country disintegrating in front of our eyes and there is more resistance to fix the problems than there is support. JF spoke of the genocide of the native americans and the racist and sexist ways in which this country ONCE ran. Do we still have horse drawn carriages? Do we still have outhouses instead of running water and plumbing? No! It’s called progress and… wait for it….wait for it….CHANGE. Just like what the liberal idiots have been screaming for. Get off of it CT, no one owes you anything. No 40 acres. No mule. Nothing.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
3:19 pm

Katherine

May 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

The KSU girl is NOT a victim. If my daughter was stopped driving with out a license, then lied to police and was getting state tuition when she was not a legal resident you can bet she would be in a lot of trouble and no one would be marching on her behalf. When she turned 18 she should have applied to become a legal citizen.

casual observer

May 13th, 2010
3:21 pm

Ms Tucker 110% of wharever salary you make should go to give away programs. You talk of racial profiling as long as it’s somebody else however, you want to spend money as long as it’s someone else’s. What about Arizona citizens can no longer depend on the “Milksop” Federal government to protect it’s citizens don’t you understand?

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
3:23 pm

Oh Gee whiz… The oil rig blew because the drilling crew took a shortcut on capping the well and a gas pocket erupted up the pipe and blew. This was an accident that could have been prevented.

The environmentalists didn’t blow the rig under the orders of President Obama

The CIA didn’t blow the New Orleans levy under the orders of President Bush

The Mafia didn’t kill Kennedy

The Aliens didn’t land in New Mexico

Arizona does not have a law that enables police to ask someone for papers becuase they are brown

Tighten your tinfoil hats people!

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:26 pm

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
3:23 pm

Kind of the point I was trying to make, to fight fire, you have to use it..

Michael K.

May 13th, 2010
3:29 pm

@HDB
The Indians in America were certainly not civilized. I don’t believe that any of them had a written language, I don’t believe they could work iron, and they had not developed the level of agricultural development necessary to support urban populations. I’m talking about North American Indians (the ones our ancestors killed). South American Indians were civilized, but they were, of course, far more primitive than Europeans.

Yes – I am tired of hearing that whites in America aren’t tolerant. We are. You whine about a history of oppression. Well, newsflash, powerful nations have always oppressed the weak. However, uniquely in all of history, whites in America eventually integrated outsiders into this nation as equals. It’s taken time, but there’s certainly no parallel in the rest of the world. So, yes, I would say that we white people are very tolerant.

Michael K.

May 13th, 2010
3:34 pm

JF McNamara
I guess your stance is that that white (men) are very tolerant of everyone else and everyone else should be grateful.
—————————————————————

No, my stance is that whites in America (I’m not sure why you want to limit it to men) are a heck of a lot more tolerant of other people than any other group I’ve ever encountered anywhere. I’m suggesting that it’s time for other groups to stop accusing whites of racism and prejudice, when those racism towards others (including us whites) is far more prevalent among them.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
3:39 pm

Michael K – you need to take a field trip to New Echota if you believe Indians weren’t civilized. In fact their advanced agricultural society saved the bacon of many of my white European ancestors in the early colonies.

Having said that – Tu Quoque is a horrible excuse for allowing others to break laws and flaunt national sovereignty.

In addition several of my white ancestors of white European decent spilled blood and even gave their lives to free slaves. (Yes I am a transplanted Yankee- but that is a whole different argument ;-) )

HDB

May 13th, 2010
3:40 pm

Michael K. May 13th, 2010
3:29 pm

If you look at white standards, you may be accurate…but by Native standards, you’d be wrong!! The had a language…in fact, several! Lest you forget…the Code Talkers spoke Navaho to get past the Japanese!!! It was Natives that assisted in agricultural development; Eurpoeans knew nothing about crops until shown by Natives. Granted, they took it further…but the Natives TAUGHT the whites agriculture. Where did they wind up? Reservations!! Natives are still not fully integrated!!

You say whites eventually integrated outsiders?? Not totally!! If that were the case, why are we still hearing how Affirmative Action denigrates white people when black people are still not fully integrated into the marketplace or Corporate America?? Why is it that the level of protest is amplified with Obama’s ascent to the White House…but the level of quiet during the Bush Administration speaks volumes?? Why didn’t the Tea Party exist under Bush….but morphed as soon as Obama won the Presidency???

We’re on the way…but we’re not there yet!! Tolerant?? Not quite!!

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
3:42 pm

600th lmao!!

Michael K.

May 13th, 2010
3:49 pm

@You Asked
We can debate what constitutes ‘civilized’ until the cows come home. The point I was making is that, compared with the Europeans, the Indians were hopelessly primitive. There was no reasonable way that the two groups could coexist. Our ancestors eventual victory was a foregone conclusion because, between disease and technology, there was no way that the Indian tribes could win.

Alatsea

May 13th, 2010
3:52 pm

What happened to GG’s mindless quips,

HDB

May 13th, 2010
3:55 pm

If everyone would read the law…it states what is considered as proof of citizenship:

1) ARIZONA DRIVER’S LICENSE
2) Birth Certificate
3) Passport
4) Visa
5) Certificate of naturalization or citizenship
6) i-94 TRAVEL FORM

If you come from out of state…you better have your passport under Arizona law!! Check HB 2165 which amended SB 1070!!!

Michael K.

May 13th, 2010
3:55 pm

@HDB
I am aware that the Indians had languages. I don’t believe that a human group without a language has ever been discovered. We’ve probably all been speaking from since before the time we were actually human. I said they didn’t have written languages. Navaho was not a written language.

Blacks have full political rights. If blacks fail to take advantage of those opportunities, it’s their own fault. The simple fact that blacks have not done as well as white in this country is not proof of discrimination against them by whites. I can say I have never in my entire professional career witnessed a single act of discrimination against anyone on the basis of race.

Actually, that’s not entirely true. When I interviewed for an internship at Goldman Sachs Hong Kong, the MD told me that he didn’t want to hire white guys – just Chinese. The interview was in New York, but it was for a job in Asia – so maybe that doesn’t count. In any case, I don’t think it hurts my point.

Oh, and I didn’t get the job. I wish I had though – bankers make a lot more money than consultants. :)

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
4:02 pm

Michael K.

“Compared with the Europeans, the Indians were hopelessly primitive…”

No they weren’t. That’s why I suggested you go to New Echota, the Cherokee Capital. They had a whole city that was as advanced as any on the Continent when they were driven from their land and onto the trail of tears. Even the “advanced” Europeans barely scratched out an existance in the colonies before the natives taught them how to farm and build in this climate.

My ancestors came over on the Mayflower – literally, and they depended on the natives. Much of our law and our national identity came from their cultures and confederations.

Go look at the dome of the US Capitol, there they are in full life sized glory instructing and working with the colonists.

I’m not a subscriber to the “evil white European” theories and I think there were many good things that settlers brought to the new world. Conquest and migration are an ongoing story for the world and the Europeans were no more evil as a group than any other nation, including the natives who warred against each other. I don’t personally apologize having had no personal role in the disenfranchisement of the native population, but they were far from primative compared to European settlers and technology. There was no justification for what was done to them in the 1800’s.

JF McNamara

May 13th, 2010
4:04 pm

Michael K and G’Vegas Dawg

Did you even read what I wrote? I didn’t mention racism at all. I simply stated the history of this country and wondered why we should expect anything different?

I DIDN’T call White people racist. The stuff that I wrote about DID happen. Stop reading race into everything. Its as dumb as people saying Obama’s middle name is racist. The facts are what the facts are. We can’t deny our past and the effects on our own psyche.

I talked about the issue that needs to be fixed and the sentiment amongst ALL Americans about the illegal immigration problem. There are women and men, Black, White, (and I’m sure Indian), who believe the Arizona law is the way to accomplish that.

Time has passed, but the mentality remains the same and always will. Those in power want to wield their power to maintain power.

That’s the main idea of my argument since you are failing to catch it. Not any of the other words you are trying to put into my mouth.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
4:04 pm

In fact you could use the manifest destiny argument in favor of the illegal immigration coming from Mexico. If they have the will and the ability to coopt our government and social support network they could eventually occupy a sizable chunk of our country and form it into a nation of their liking. Ever hear of La Raza?

HDB

May 13th, 2010
4:07 pm

Michael K.

May 13th, 2010
3:55 pm
@HDB

“Blacks have full political rights.”

Don’t forget, that was a recent occurrance…as of 1964.

“If blacks fail to take advantage of those opportunities, it’s their own fault. The simple fact that blacks have not done as well as white in this country is not proof of discrimination against them by whites. I can say I have never in my entire professional career witnessed a single act of discrimination against anyone on the basis of race.”

You are lucky in that aspect, my friend…..I’ve experienced numerous acts of discrimination in my life…from many sides, not just from whites! I’ll be the first to admit that it happens on multiple sides…but when whites ARE the power structure….their avenues of discrimination are numerous, overt, and systemic!! Noting particular moments in employment, financial aspects….discrimination has been persistent in American society. YOU may not have seen or experienced it…but others have!!

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
4:07 pm

JF – I don’t think most of the resentment is race based. When such a large plurality of Americans agree that there are illegal immigration problems then there is a sizable number of citizen Hispanics and Latinos included in those numbers of people who think we need to be tougher on enforcing our laws.

If all illegals were Mexican and all of the opposition was White you might have a point, but that simply isn’t the case.

David Granger

May 13th, 2010
4:11 pm

Cynthia, why are you not allowing me to post? I have written two comments disagreeing with you, and giving my reasons…but I have been neither rude nor vulgar. What gives?

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
4:21 pm

HDB…Yes or No, are you part of the Resentment Movement?

HDB

May 13th, 2010
4:30 pm

@ You Asked – 4:076 pm: You may be worng in that view; according to the Wall Street Journal Poll…

Protecting the interests of minorities Democrats: 49%; Republicans 12%

Representing the opportunity to move up
the economic ladder: Democrats 34%; Republicans 23%

Working for the equality of and protecting
against discrimination of immigrants Democrats 49%, Republicans 7%

Dealing with immigration Democrats 39% Republicans 11%

This was the question from the WSJ Poll:

Q34 The Arizona law makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally. It requires local and state law enforcement
officers to question people about their immigration status if they have reason to suspect a person is in the
country illegally, making it a crime for them to lack registration documents. Do you support or oppose this
law? (IF SUPPORT/OPPOSE, THEN ASK) And, do you strongly (support/oppose) or just somewhat
(support/oppose) this law?

Strongly support: All adults: 46%, Hispanic/Latino 15%
Somewhat support: All adults: 18% Hispanic/Latino 12%
Somewhat oppose: All adults; 10% Hispanic/Latino 12%
Strongly oppose All adults: 24% Hispanic/Latino 58%

Sum: Support: All adults: 64% Hispanic/Latino: 27%
Oppose: All adults: 34% Hispanic/Latino: 70%

This is what the Hispanics feel!! They see the opposition as predominately white!!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
4:33 pm

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
4:21 pm
HDB…Yes or No, are you part of the Resentment Movement?

No….I have no resentment; I’ve channeled my energy into positive things…..but it would be hypocritical of me NOT to point out truths that too many people wish to deny!! The question I should ask you is: Are YOU in denial that racial profiling does not occur???

Dan

May 13th, 2010
4:39 pm

JF your post implied the uniqueness of those traits to america by your attaching the this country to it as an example. The reality is that is the nature of humans always has been and always will be. So your post would be more accurate had you said you aren’t surprised this happens anywhere do to the historic treatment of humans by humans. Now your contention that there is something wrong with the arizona law would remain inane, but your illustration would at least be match your comment

Dan

May 13th, 2010
4:43 pm

I am curious to see how many erroneous posts with emphatic punctuation!!! HDB will have to post for the law to actually change to agree with what he is writing. He is determined I will concede that. I will have to check tomorrow to see if the words in the law have changed to support his “conclusions”

Katherine

May 13th, 2010
4:55 pm

Bottom line….illegal is illegal. Come here legally, pay your taxes and no one will have a problem with your being here. Respect our borders and our laws.

lovelyliz

May 13th, 2010
5:00 pm

Bryan, it goes into a ssupense file where it draws interest:

Starting in the late 1980’s, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect – sometimes simply fictitious – Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the “earnings suspense file” in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990’s, two and a half times the amount of the 1980’s.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes

lovelyliz

May 13th, 2010
5:02 pm

According to the Congressional Budget Office and the Social Security Administration, undocumented immigrants pay many different types of taxes, including sales, property, and social security taxes individual income,

Even the most ignorant anti-immigrant radio or TV personality knows that the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including housing, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization assistance and even food stamps, The only services that illegal immigrants can still get is K-12 education and emergency medical care.

Jennifer

May 13th, 2010
5:31 pm

I support Arizona 110% & I am sick of people playing the race card on this issue. You are here ILLEGALLY – Mexican, German, Chinese, etc….I don’t care who you are or what the color of your skin is. The reason this is primarily focusing on the southern border & Mexicans is because they are the vast majority of illegals in this country. If this was just about racist people wanting Mexicans out, don’t you think that would apply to all Mexicans in general – legal or illegal? So stop comparing it to Hitler & the Jews, because that is SO not the same thing & insulting that anyone would even compare the two. Come here legally & there is no problem…stay here illegally & pay the price. You want US citizen rights? Well guess what, I as a US citizen could receive a speeding ticket for 5 mph over the limit. Would I agree with a cop ticketing me for that, no. But do I know that if I do it & get caught I will be penalized for it, YES! That is exactly what you have done by being here ILLEGALLY. You KNOW it’s against the law & have done it anyway. Until the law changes it is the LAW – you don’t have to agree with it but it should be followed and enforced.

Lil' Barry Bailout

May 13th, 2010
6:38 pm

Maybe the Idiot Messiah and his lackey Holder could actually read the bill before criticizing it. As in most things, they don’t know what they’re talking about. Holder was recently forced to admit he hadn’t read it.

Fools.

Lil' Barry Bailout

May 13th, 2010
6:40 pm

Why isn’t the Idiot Messiah enforcing the existing law?

Bankhead Shawty

May 13th, 2010
6:50 pm

You Cr@ckers are funny, you love to hate other people and find a way to justify it.

I hope God is watching.

kenny-d-ninja

May 13th, 2010
6:54 pm

The Border patrol and minute men have been working for the last few years to secure the border with no success. immigrants are destabilizing our economy and overflowing our cities!!! the government is finally stepping up which is a very good thing. its not because i’m racist but because i care about the well fare of a great nation being rundown by people who can’t even speak english

Lil' Barry Bailout

May 13th, 2010
6:58 pm

He’ll be watching in November as the Democrat party gets bitchslapped thanks to the Idiot Messiah’s fascist scheming, power grabs, and trillion-dollar-plus deficits.

kenny-d-ninja

May 13th, 2010
7:05 pm

and none of you can say that the bill itself is racial!! i keep hearing people say its about race, its not! its about the law and how people who break it must be punished!!! thats how it works and thats how it should always work. they point to the mexican border because thats the biggest problem do we still get ilegal immigrants from other places ? yes but mexico is getting out of control with drug cartels and that is going over the border on the shoulders of thousands of illegals and how about the taxes americans are paying to give these people things to eat, places to stay, places to work. we can barely take care of our own people and we need to help them? HELL NO pushing them out is whats best. If i have to enforce it myself i will.

Mark

May 13th, 2010
7:07 pm

Bye-Bye Illegals…Go Arizona!!! Time to take a stand! Racial profiling? What about those of us being punished for having conservative values and the belief that you earn your way in this country, not expect government handouts and programs. Our law enforcement officials deserve our support to clear out people that are hear illegally. No one will pick our fruit, make up our hotel beds, or work in sweat shops? Say, how about putting inmates to work in the fields instead of having the taxpayer pay for their education, healthcare, and physical conditioning?

Robert Littel

May 13th, 2010
8:25 pm

What can we expect from a nation that has bought the fraud that light beer is beer, Wonder Bread is bread, Pop Tarts are food and that George W. Bush has a brain. We could easily turn into a nation that commits genocide (we have such a proud history of that already) to “take back” the country the way Tea Party idiots and militia types mean to do it.

Jeffrey C.

May 13th, 2010
8:36 pm

I support AZ!!!
I’m not usually interested in any elections. I am voting for all who support the AZ LAW..

Jeffrey C.

May 13th, 2010
8:38 pm

If you are not here illegally.. you have nothing to fear!!!

Truth is Not Hating

May 13th, 2010
9:13 pm

CT – The bottom line is that if the majority wants it, suck it up and deal with it. Illegals are lying, selfish, me first people. There is nothing racist about it – deal with and STOP YOUR HATING!!!!

Robert Littel

May 13th, 2010
9:26 pm

When a whole class of people are required to carry and produce their papers on demand, and when that demand will be triggered by the appearance of the individual, we get awfully close to the old South African Apartheid example of people, who if they weren’t Black, had nothing to fear. The Arizona law is NOT what this country is supposed to be about.

Mr Charlie

May 13th, 2010
10:31 pm

Ah Robert, we do have to carry papers that we have to produce on demand, it is called a drivers license. When there is a class of people who DO NOT have to have any papers. Does that seem right?

Mr Charlie

May 13th, 2010
10:33 pm

How about an Attorney General who can’t even keep up with his job enough to read what might be the most important 16 pave piece of legislation this country has seen in years. That my friend, is called affirmative action.

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HDB

May 14th, 2010
10:32 am

Mr Charlie

May 13th, 2010
10:31 pm
Ah Robert, we do have to carry papers that we have to produce on demand, it is called a drivers license. When there is a class of people who DO NOT have to have any papers. Does that seem right?

What about those people who have NEVER driven? What about those who are too old to drive??

This are categories that fit the equation of not have ANY form of ID…how do you handle that??

HDB

May 14th, 2010
10:40 am

Mark May 13th, 2010
7:07 pm
Bye-Bye Illegals…Go Arizona!!! Time to take a stand! Racial profiling? What about those of us being punished for having conservative values and the belief that you earn your way in this country, not expect government handouts and programs.

Questions: Who is punishing you for your values? Are you willing to give unfetterd power to the police and create a police state to maintain your values?? I pray you don’t!!

HDB

May 14th, 2010
10:43 am

Dan May 13th, 2010
4:43 pm

I’ve read SB1070, the update HB2162, and the updated SB1070…..it still places unfettered power to the police, allows for racial profiling, and forces AMERICANS to carry passports for proof of citizenship!! People need to wake up and READ THE LAW FULLY!!

Robert Littel

May 14th, 2010
11:29 am

Mr Charlie – When one class of people isn’t asked for their papers just because of the color of their skin and class one is, then we become an Apartheid state. That you cannot see the difference, makes you as bigoted as a Rightist Boer of South Africa fame. When ethnicity becomes probable cause, we are not the nation we were conceived to be and you are not the type of citizen who should be in control.

Alfred Montez

May 14th, 2010
12:25 pm

It’s a certain that there are few days when most of us, red, white or blue do not have to show proof that we are who, we say we are. Good argument too!! It’s just that, if given some thinking on a different level you might find it’s just an apple’s, orange’s thing, a thought that perhaps is more readily accepted in order avoid the more obvious

Brian F. Head

May 14th, 2010
1:37 pm

What a pity that so many of those who make their habitual negative comments are utterly incapable of perceiving a different point of view. Did any of you bother to read the title of the column? After all, it provides the thesis of the article. Or do you reject the idea of need for more of such students in view of outmoded immigration restrictions. Clearly, none of you think about the situation of an immigrant with illegal status. True, they should take step to legalize their status, but all too often they lack the knowledge of what steps to takes and/or the funds for legal assistance (–which should not even be necessary). Thanks you, Cynthia, for dealing with this topic. Of course you have provoked the narrow-minded and short-sighted. Keep up the good work!

Sandra Avery

May 14th, 2010
8:32 pm

It seems that everyone is focusing on the idea of racial profiling. It’s not like all the police in Arizona are going to be sitting in their cars waiting for someone “who looks Hispanic” to drive by them and then pull them over and ask for their ID. However, if someone runs a red light, speeds, sells drugs to kids, kidnaps people and keeps them in a 1 room house with the promise of a better life, forces young children into prostitution…..the list goes on….then of course the police will stop them and ask for their ID, whether or not they happen to look Hispanic. I love Obama, but support the governor for doing something that should have been done a long time ago. The biggest question I have is how come more of the Hispanics who have gone through the process to become legal citizens aren’t more outraged at those who simply feel entitled to the benefits they have worked so hard to obtain. I wonder what would happen if a bunch of Arizonans decided to climb the fence into Mexico. Do you really think they would be welcomed with open arms, free healthcare, a tax-free lifestyle, free education complete with English interpreters, not to mention restaurant menus, signs, and grocery store items printed in English to make their lives easier? I think not.

Confused Confucious

May 14th, 2010
9:06 pm

“Yes We Can”!!! – Obey the Constitution,secure our borders and not give citizenship to illegals that have babies here. I believe that the Constituion states that at least one of the parents of a baby that is born in America has to be AN AMERICAN.Otherwise the baby does not recieve citizenship. Try pointing this out to a politician and you will see a grown man cry.
“Yes We Can”!!! – Bring our Border Agents back to the U.S. You read it right. MOST of our Border Agents are over seas Guarding Iraq’s borders. (bet you didn’t know that, did you CT?)
“Yes We Can”!!! – continue treating illegal Aliens in a humane way by only arresting them and returning them to Mexico rather than life in prison. (which is what happens to illegal Aliens in: Iran, Saudi Arabia, N. Korea, China, etc.)
“Yes We Can”!!! – counter an unjustified Arizona Boycot with a “Buycot”. Which is what happened when a call for a boycot against Whole Foods Grocery Stores (by the left) resulted in a huge increase in sales.( I’m still laughing over that one, and still shopping at Whole Foods.LOL!)
“Yes We Can”!!! – call a duck a duck. A Zebra a Zebra. A RADICAL MUSLIM WHO KILLS AMERICANS a Terrorist. And someone ANYONE, who is in this country illegally (drum roll please;…..AND ILLEGAL ALIEN)
“Yes We Can”!!! -continue ignoring Left Liberal pot shots that are always, always, ALWAYS so eager to defend the enemies of America while demonizing the Patriots of America. Thankyou for showing your true allegiance ,……….CT. Or is it E.T.?

Michael Armiger

May 15th, 2010
5:22 pm

I stand by Arizona…Obama threw them under the bus.
I am doing somthing that matters little…Obama is doing nothing
that matters much…Send in some Guard, pretend you care Obama!

DaneR

May 16th, 2010
11:33 pm

Enter your comments here

BelladanaeR

May 16th, 2010
11:56 pm

i agree with taking criminals out but not people with family yall say that immigrants take the jobs but yall don’t work as hard as they do half of yall are so lazy your own people know that that’s why they don’t hire you before yall critize me i am an american citizen my parents are american citizens my garndparents are the ones that migrated here and all of yall can say that yall wouldn’t be here if it wasnt for your european ancestors

George Sawyer

May 17th, 2010
12:54 pm

I admire and support The People of Arizona and the Governor for standing up for what is right and the law. I will do my small part to help by never going back to California for vacation, never buying anything from a company in California and never eating in any Mexican restautrant or entering any Mexican establishment for business again! Come on folks we can do something!The People of Arizona need all our help!

George Sawyer

May 17th, 2010
1:00 pm

Enter your comments here

Tom McGhee

May 17th, 2010
5:13 pm

So why should there be One law for those who choose not to go through the process the rest of us immigrates do.
My wife and I immigrated to the US in 2003 and it cost us a total of $16 000 us in lawyers fees and when we did arrive there was no free heathcare or schooling for our kids or any other assistance that is given openly to these illegal people.
Why are they so special ……..
Enough of the PC thing Mexico and the other countries that by the way we supply financial aid to need to work on building their countries and the people also need to be Proud of their heritige and stop running to the US they need to build their own country.

Escapedthedarkprincess

May 19th, 2010
12:57 am

Another reporter who has not read the law, or is misleading the public. The law mirrors Federal law. It does not allow racial profiling. It now appears the laws biggest critics have admitted to not having read the bill. Shame on the media for lying and playing the race card. Now it is time to secure the borders and enforce the law. Illegal aliens sre here illegally! Illegal aliens is not immigration. ILlegal aliens have entered our country illegally and are subject to deportation and rightly so! Legal Aliens are more then welcome. No amnesty or a pathway to citizenship for illegals. It is wrong to reward those who violate our laws. It shows lack of respect for the citizens and the country itself. Congress has a duty to secure the borders and enforce the laws.

gr

May 19th, 2010
1:00 am

I’m Latino, Democrat, Gay, and I support this Arizona law!

The fact is, illegal aliens have “more” rights than gay people. Illegal aliens can see their opposite sex partners in hospitals, and up until over a month ago when Obama signed an executive order allowing same-sex couples to see one another in hospitals, same sex couples would have been continually barred from seeing one another. Illegal aliens can marry an American citizen, gay people cannot marry in most states in the US. Illegal aliens can march on Washington and request some type of amnesty from a president who supports selective amnesty, gay people can march on Washington, but Obama doesn’t support same sex marriage.

Adult Illegal aliens broke the law entering our country and are using their “anchor babies” (born here in the USA) to anchor onto benefits that taxpayers pay for which include: public housing, free rent, food stamps, and free healthcare. When adult illegal aliens or their children go to the emergency room, it’s mandated by law that they be treated. Guess who pays for the bill? YOU! You pay for it in the form of HIGHER healthcare costs and rising premiums! And for the “anchor babies” you also pay for their state-funded Medicaid and the cost to educate them and others in the public school system throughout the country!

There’s really nothing to stop them from having more kids in order to convince a judge to let them stay in the US. On the other hand, many states don’t allow gay Americans to adopt children.

Illegal aliens should all be deported now. We need to end birthright citizenship for anchor babies, and deny illegals access to basic social services. Americans are ultimately left to pick up the bill for the billions in services they receive for free all the while paying nothing into the system and then sending all their earned money back to Mexico to help our their country, not ours.

Citizens paying taxes into the system, regardless of sexual orientation, should come FIRST before illegal aliens who are leaving struggling Americans in a tough recession to foot the entire bill. Illegal aliens are also blatantly disregarding our citizenship laws, that is, the LEGAL and the RIGHT way to enter our country and are abusing the system to their advantage. This needs to stop NOW!

David

May 19th, 2010
12:22 pm

Go Arizona !!!
I truly hope Rick Perry has enough courage to do something like this. What has happened to our Country and the Pride we had years ago for this Country? If you don’t belong in the Country, then stay out.

Save

May 19th, 2010
2:42 pm

Go Arizona ! I am boycotting the smoggy city of Los Angeles and anyone else that boycotts Arizona.

lawrence

May 19th, 2010
8:05 pm

Go arizona! let them boycott your businesses. Just turn off La’s power.

Patrick Dunagan

May 21st, 2010
2:59 pm

“Never mind” that you’re an idiot. Arizona’s law does nothing more than do what federal law does only on paper; the difference is that they’re enforcing federal law. They’re here illegally, they broke our laws, yet we’re to cowtow to them? Jeeez we have a lot of idiots in on this discussion.

Patrick Dunagan

May 21st, 2010
3:00 pm

PS: I’m speaking to the author, of course, NOT the plurality of posters who are supportive of Arizona. GO ARIZONA! Texas, pay attention, we need to do the same!

ctucker

May 21st, 2010
3:03 pm

Patrick Dunagan, This is a warning. Don’t call anyone on this site an “idiot.” Free free to disagree more civilly.

Patrick Dunagan

May 21st, 2010
5:40 pm

I stand warned. So, too, can you divine from your followers posts that your opinion on the subject could use revisiting. You’re a brilliant person, and so are most of your readers. I’d love to see a follow up based on the feelings and opinions of your followers.

Patrick Dunagan

May 21st, 2010
5:41 pm

BTW, the “never mind” approach in your intro did draw my ire. My apologies. What is obvious to you is nonexistent to me. We disagree, that’s pretty much the gist of it.

steve

May 31st, 2010
3:39 am

The “oddest thing” is that Cynthia Tucker is a Pulitzer Prize recipient and doesn’t understand why most Americans support Arizona’s immigration law. Go Arizona! We’re behind you 100%!

Wake UP America

June 1st, 2010
1:09 pm

I support AZ and wish all states would enforce the Federal laws.

you are in the USA legally or not. What is the big deal?

Go to Mexico illegally and see what happens if they catch you…

I SUPPORT ARIZONA

June 29th, 2010
8:28 pm

WHY IS IT RACIST TO ASK PEOPLE TO OBEY THE LAWS? I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SHOW MY ID MANY TIMES FOR NO REASON. ITS THE WAY OUR COUNTRY WORKS IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I SUPPORT ARIZONA

June 29th, 2010
8:57 pm

DID ANYONE NOTICE BANKHEAD SHAWTYS COMMENT WHERE HE CALLED EVERYONE CRACKERS? HOW COME NO ONE MAKES A BIG DEAL WHEN PEOPLE ARE RACIST TOWARDS WHITE PEOPLE?