Despite its racial profiling, Americans support Arizona law

Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants  accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking. Never mind the fact that Arizona is taking a big hit on tourism dollars because of it. Another poll shows most Americans think it’s a fine idea.

That includes nearly half of Democrats. From McClatchey:

A strong majority of Americans support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.

Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people’s immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants’ plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they’d favor the law’s passage in their own states.

More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn’t mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona:

But while the situation in Arizona is dire in some respects, it’s actually improving, not getting worse. For example, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that violent crimes in the state fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year data was compiled.

And, despite the clamor about dangerous immigrants, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates — such as Arizona. Crime in the 19 states with the highest immigrant populations dropped by 13.6 percent from 1994 to 2004, compared to 7.1 percent for the other 32 states.

Finally, although the U.S. illegal immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent. So, more illegal immigrants does not equate to more crime.

Critics accuse the federal government of doing nothing about illegal immigration. But there are more Border Patrol officers now on duty than ever before, and heightened enforcement has been a significant factor in reducing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

The law is also going to make the economy in Arizon worse. Tourism has taken a hit:

Since the state passed the nation’s toughest immigration law three weeks ago, its meeting and events business has fallen drastically.

Hispanic civil rights groups are boycotting Arizona and urging others to do the same. Officials at the National Council of La Raza, one of the groups driving the boycott, had privately asked the RNC not to meet in Phoenix.

The city risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to city estimates released Wednesday. The state’s hotel and lodging association has counted 23 canceled meetings for a loss of between $6 and $10 million. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the largest city to join the boycott.

More than anything else, the poll shows how emotional an issue immigration is in this country — and the reason few politicians have any stomach for dealing with it.

662 comments Add your comment

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
12:17 pm

Well Cynthia, job well done. Went to your ace in the hole and look at the responses. Congrats.

resno2

May 13th, 2010
12:18 pm

“The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona”

Duh!!! Maybe crime is down because those that had been committing those crimes have moved to more ILLEGAL immigrant friendly states like California. Or, maybe it is actually acting as a deterrent. WOW… it might actually be working!

Lee

May 13th, 2010
12:18 pm

The 10th Amendment is very clear about the State’s power to enact such legislation. When the Federal Gov’t turns a blind eye to an issue then the State must do something to protect its citizens, infastructure and programs. Georgia needs to enact a similiar law to curb the tide of illegal immigration and the poverty and crime it imports.

Reality Check

May 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

What’s bewildering is that you are allowed to share your political opinions for the biggest newspaper in the state. Your liberal views on everything is the reason why you have a job for a liberal paper like the AJC. Better enjoy it while it lasts, because liberal media outlets like the AJC, CNN, and MSNBC are a dying breed. Most “informed” people listen to conservative talk radio and watch Foxnews. The only people that agree with your opinions are brainwashed moochers.

Peachy Keen

May 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

The bottom line is they are here illegally. Hence, they are NOT legal. The don’t pay taxes to help ease the cost of the programs and benefits they use. End of story. They must go.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm

HBD – The target of the law are people who are ILLEGALS. They don’t deserve the same protection under the law. They broke the law when they crossed into the United States. If they go through the legal process and get documentation – a work visa for example,then let them stay. Until then, profile them and deport them.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm

Asked @ 12:05, that’s the recurring story of the drug war. Interdiction efforts are always temporary. How many drug busts have you seen on the news, with police showing off huge bundles of drugs, guns, and cash? It hasn’t done a thing except break our economy, foster disrespect for the law, erode personal rights, and produce unparalleled violence. Oh, and—flood the country with illegals.

More than 22,000 Mexicans have been killed, I don’t blame them for grabbing their kids and getting the h3ll out of there. These people moaning about illegals would do the same thing. I guess Mexicans aren’t allowed family values.

Billybob

May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm

The law doesn’t suggest racial profiling Tucker…..total fabrication. “Liberal political correctness” blinds your common sense on this….AND MANY other issues. I love the fact that you have to realize that you are in the uber minority on this topic. This means that you, the illegals, and a handful of others are on the same side. That gives new meaning to “Pulitzer Prize winner” doesn’t it? Go to Mexico without correct paperwork and see what happens Tucker.

ressee

May 13th, 2010
12:21 pm

Really why does Obama talk with his chin sticking out? I tried it but it hurts my nek.

Dan

May 13th, 2010
12:23 pm

Sorry to those who drink the liberal Kool aid and don’t read the law
The law DOES NOT give an officer to stop someone walking down the street simply to ask for ID, it simply isn’t true. As the great Ronald Reagan observed “liberals aren’t stupid they just know so many things that aren’t so”

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

I think that people like Cynthia Tucker have forgotten what racism really is. Having “sperate but equal” is racist. Having segregated schools is racist. Being spit on because you are black is racist. Being made to ride or sit in a certain area is racist. Having to get your food from the back door is racist. Being deported because you are ILLEGAL is NOT racist. Yesterday’s education blog referred to the struggles that are currently taking place in our school system. A lot of our country’s struggles, including in education, comes about from the illegal citizens in the USA. School systems, along with transportation, city parks and rec, etc, get their money from taxes. If you don’t pay into the system, yet use the system, it costs more money that our country has. I do not have a single issue with people from other countries. What I take issue with is seeing our country disintegrating in front of our eyes and there is more resistance to fix the problems than there is support.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

@ Lee

Gwinnett and Cobb (maybe more)have such programs it is called the 287(g) program. When people are stopped for traffic violations or other crimes, an immigration background check is done. If they are here illegally they are turned over to ICE for deportation. Counties must apply to become part of the program and get traiing from ICE to participate.

the Snark

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

Public opinion polls on laws mean nothing.

The problem with polling public opinion about a law — be it Arizona’s law or the recent healthcare bill — is that the people answering the poll may or may not know that the bill really says. Since few people have the time to read these bills, and fewer still the expertise to understand what they’re reading, most of the people being polled base their opinions on what somebody else says about the bill. And in today’s climate, with people who know better deliberately fabricating nonsense (e.g., “death panels”) and others who know nothing running their mouths (take your pick), damn few people are informed enough to answer any poll.

Sad times.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

Really why does Obama talk with his chin sticking out?

Maybe for the same reason William F. Buckley did.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:25 pm

Mike May 13th, 2010
12:20 pm
“HBD – The target of the law are people who are ILLEGALS. They don’t deserve the same protection under the law. They broke the law when they crossed into the United States. If they go through the legal process and get documentation – a work visa for example,then let them stay. Until then, profile them and deport them.”

The point is not who the law TARGETS…but how the law is APPLIED!! If, by application, the RIGHTS of a human being are denied, i.e., the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE…and the power is being granted to the POLICE and is to be used AT THEIR DISCRETION, then ANYONE will be profiled! THAT is NOT what needs to be done! Granted, the border situation needs to be addressed…but where was this outrage when Bush did nothing?? There’s more to this that people don’t want to admit!

Javier

May 13th, 2010
12:26 pm

Aquagirl,

That’s stupid. What about before the drug wars, whey were they coming in? Don’t talk about “family values”. This has NOTHING to do with that.

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:26 pm

The Times Square Bomber was legal. Sadly the US will not issue visas for people wanting to immigrate to the US from Mexico/Dominican Republic/Haiti and other poor Latin American countries. Those who are allowed visas from these places are based on either work/academic/athletic skills. So unless you are a baseball player from DR or a Mexican ice skater who will win the gold for the US you wont have a chance of coming in here!! They do not give work visas unless you have some sort of “skill” that cannot be fulfilled by an American.

That being said these people come here willing to do ANYTHING to help their families. You cannot blame a CHILD who comes over here illegally with their parents. They are innocent victims of this.

The KSU girl is a victim here – What is INS going to hit all the schools in DeKalb/Cobb/Fulton/Gwinnett and round up all the un-documented 3rd graders!?!?!

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:27 pm

@ Aquagirl- there we are agreed. Our efforts might be better trying to build viable industry and economy on the border states between Mexico and the USA. Of course that would set off cries of NAFTA is sucking our jobs, etc.

The drugs have to be addessed however, even if it seems futile. That is a driving force behind the unstable political situation in Mexico. We cannot do it for them though. They need to get serious about their own politics and not just send their perps over the border for us to deal with.

Cosby Smith

May 13th, 2010
12:27 pm

Poor Cynthia…still promoting hate. Read the bill, it does not contain, in fact, it discourages any type of profiling. The problem, Illegal or against the law…unfortunately most are of hispanic decent. Wonder why the hispanic community has not done more to clean up their own back yard so this would not be necessary. illegal, takning jobs americans will not do – why do we have welfare, crowding schools with non english speaking childrun draining time and learning to legals, crowding emergency rooms and running up total health care cost…gee it must be noice to break the law then go and hide behind some hidden vail…wonder if I can get away with speeding if I get to hide behind a hidden vail. tired of the hate promoting mongers.

Phear the Phuture

May 13th, 2010
12:28 pm

Craig @ 12:15,
Maybe only blacks have to show their passport to prove citizenship when pulled over in Arizona! Where is the outrage? This is a travesty – making only black people show their passports in Arizona!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:29 pm

Reality Check

May 13th, 2010
12:19 pm
What’s bewildering is that you are allowed to share your political opinions for the biggest newspaper in the state. Your liberal views on everything is the reason why you have a job for a liberal paper like the AJC. Better enjoy it while it lasts, because liberal media outlets like the AJC, CNN, and MSNBC are a dying breed. Most “informed” people listen to conservative talk radio and watch Foxnews. The only people that agree with your opinions are brainwashed moochers.

Most SMART people diversify their informational outlets; those that listen only to Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and Fox are so myopic, that they can’t see anything else but what they’re being told!! Branch out……

Not only do I watch Fox, MSNBC, CNN, Bloomberg, NPR locals….AND the BBC…I also READ…National Review, numerous newspapers (including the Arizona Republic)……

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:30 pm

JG – when she was 7 years old the KSU student was a victim of her parents bad decision to skirt the law. Now that she is 22 and an honors student she should be intelligent enough to know you have to renew your student visa, pay out of state tuition, keep a current liscense and insurance and TELL THE TRUTH to the police if you have failed to do any of the above.

Her mistakes go way beyond wanting to finish her education. I don’t feel any more sorry for her than a kid from Alabama who lies about their address to get in state tuition at a Georgia college. She should pay the fines and be thankful KSU has allowed her to complete her degree.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
12:30 pm

HDB … Sounds like you are into The Resentment movement.

Asking someone for papers is NOT a CONSEQUENCE or PUNISHMENT. Therefore they would not be presumed guilty. People are arrested all the time based under PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. Guilt and innocence is established at trial. Nice try though. You are entertaining as always. Are you sure you don’t know Mark Thompson?

Bryan

May 13th, 2010
12:31 pm

JG,

The Kennesaw state student was a victim until she became an adult (Almost 4 years ago, she is 22 correct?), she knowingly and willing has been breaking the law since then.

DollarDawg43

May 13th, 2010
12:31 pm

While I disagree with what most of what Cynthia Tucker writes I can tell that she is very intelligent and that is why I continue to read her after all these years. I suspect she uses that same intelligence to obey the laws of the land; she does not strike me at all as a law breaker.

Having written that, she uses the word “illegal” many times during the article and that is the crux of the issue: If someone is here illegally they are breaking the law, it is that simple.

Cynthia Tucker, to her surprise, is learning that this is not a political issue but a legal one. That is the reason both Democrats and Rebublicans support it so overwhelmingly. We may disagree (and passionately so) on political issues but the vast majority of Americans will always have a healthy respect for the law of the land.

Put simply, if you are here legally you have nothing to worry about. I am a natural citizen and, whether it be at a license check or using a debit or credit card, I have never hesitated to, or been nervous about, presnting proper ID.

Finally, as of this writing, it appears the KSU student cannot be found by authorities. Someone obeying the law has no reason to hide.

dw

May 13th, 2010
12:31 pm

Cynthia,

It isn’t that bewildering. People are tired of people being here ILLEGALLY!!! They are also tired of the crime that comes with many (not all) of these individuals. In a show of political correctness and liberal progressiveness, i think we could swap you for one illegal seeing that you so adamantly support ILLEGAL activity. Repeat ILLEGAL.

Guv Sunny

May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

Just so you know- while you think illegal Mexicans are the problem- BRAZILIANS ARE COMING IN UNDER THE RADAR- by the boatload! Literally Mark my words. Same problem. I’m just saying- its not just all Mexicans.

leon hargreaves

May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

I have been discriminated against for over forty years. Why? Because I am a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
First we have Affirmative Action, i.e. someone of color gets the job that I applied for. I, like most everyone else pay way to much for Insurance of all kinds because of the people that do not or will not get insurance. I like most pay way to much for retail items because of the shoplifters.
It goes on and on.
I say lets assimilate the immigrants in a manner that does not harshly affect our existing citizens.
I am just getting old and tired of all this B.S. like so many other Americans.

Alatsea

May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

I have traveled all over the world, the “power” of the US passport is amazing, but not as much as was 10 years ago. After being allowed to enter a foreign country I have been asked for “my papers” if you do not have them you will be detained and questioned until your identity has been confirmed. When entering any foreign country it is suggested to have your passport with you at all times. So what does that make us? The land of bend over come on in, take advantage of everything the US citizens have worked for, except for about 40 million of us, but don’t blow too much stuff up and don’t send too much of your ILLEGALLY stolen monetary gains back to where you were before you entered the country ILLEGALLY. A lot of this seems black and white, does it not? If you are in the country ILLEGALLY, you are in the country ILLEGALLY, where is the grey area or loophole? What we are allowing is a smack in the face of our ancestors, my ancestors, that came here LEGALLY, this is a mockery and needs to be fixed. This is not a partisan problem it’s every bodies problem. The enablers need to pay the price for hiring ILLEGAL aliens. And the border needs to be protected, it is only 2000 miles long. Arizona has used it’s sovereign states right to protect it’s foreign border. The BO is more concerned on how much salt we consume, what kind of smoke screen is that? Since he hasn’t had a press conference since July of 09 he needs to come out and face the nation as is required by elected officials, this is big brother, aristocracy type leadership. However the BO did answer 8 questions at the nuke conference, according to Propaganda and Denial Minister Herr Gibbs. I am still looking for the openness that this lying leader promised. He needs to be smacked down hard in November. And if he was white I would want the same thing, so don’t start your race card mantra. You with your heads buried in the sand or elsewhere need to get a grip on what is really happening. Big picture people, how far are we from following Greece down the entitlement economy and debt ridden toilet? Time to take the blinders off and take our country back.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
12:34 pm

Sorry to those who drink the liberal Kool aid…

Perhaps if you “dangle a carrot in front of us,” then we’ll get a “clean bill of health.” And if we “keep our nose to the grindstone,” then we may be able to “knock the cover off the ball.” This may, however, be the time to “think outside the box,” and to be “firing on all cylinders,” otherwise we won’t be able to “get our arms around this.”

Mrs. W.

May 13th, 2010
12:35 pm

Ms. Tucker: For starters, you are an idiot. Only in America would the immigration laws be ignored for so long, and one has to wonder why? Could it be because they Dems get more votes that way from all of you bleeding hearts..?? My daughter taught school in S. Korea for a year ( last year ) and she had to register with the local governemnt within a week of her arrival. She was not allowed to even buy a cell phone or get internet service in her apartment until she met their requirements, utilities would not be turned on either. The same thing for her boyfriend who studied in Brazil for six months. You are not allowed to just walk in to any other country and yet I don’t hear you screaming about the injustices of living abroad and brow beating other governments for their immigration policies. My younger daughter visited her sister in S. Korea and was not allowed to leave the Incheon Airport without proving where / who she would be staying with. They actually made her cry they were so mean to her. And as her mother, I will tell you that I really have no problem with the way she was treated. We need to treat people that same way and STOP worrying about offending people. If you are offended then stay the hell in your home country.

Clarity

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

Bigotry is bigotry? Come on. The demands on our infrastucture are staggering. Change the income tax to the fair tax to at least share the burden. If we do not slow the illegal train, we will eventually be a modern day Bosnia.

resno2

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

ressee: “Really why does Obama talk with his chin sticking out? I tried it but it hurts my nek.”

Because is makes it easier for him to look down his nose at those he is campaigning to.

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

HDB:

Affirmative action is discrimination and I do not care how many colorful ribbons you wrap around it. It is discrimination. Political correctness has become just as big a problem too.

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

So are you all saying that the day these kids turn 18 they are supposed to hire an immigration lawyer or get a visa or go back to Mexico? We welcome them into the school system with no questions asked and yet they are ill-prepared for the day they become of age.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

Dear HDB @ 11:52, good afternoon. I don’t think we have any serious disagreement of the proper roles of government here – the National Guard was probably necessary to wipe out the Jim Crow laws (thus to rein in the big government types in control of Southern governments at that time) and surely we agree on the role of the noble athletes in fully integrating black folks into the then-white bastions. In my part of the world Perry Wallace was the young fellow who changed hearts and minds.

pat

May 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

Racial profiling? Just who would be jumping fences to enter the country illegally? Danes? Congolees? No, mexicans.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:38 pm

Leon,

Please don’t go there. (My ancestors came over on the Mayflower and I’m as pasty white as they get). Opportunity abounds in America and Affirmative Action does not provide positions for the unqualified. There are occasional reverse racism cases but they are rare. I’ve worked for many employers public and private and the vast majority of people try to be fair and hire people because they have talents they need in their organizations.

I don’t like the white racism or the black racism I see on these boards, but then again some people have waaaay to much taste for being a victim no matter what their situation.

Yeah, OK

May 13th, 2010
12:38 pm

Cynthia,
Will your next article profile Louis Farrakhan and his racist views? I doubt it. All this bill does is enforce a Federal Law that Barry and his Libtard buddies are too afraid to approach. I am waiting for an intelligent argument that justifies not enforcing a law?? As for the crime rate in Arizona, you are 100% WRONG!! While the crime rate may have went down SLIGHTLY, the rate of VIOLENT crimes (like murder and rape) has Jumped dramatically. Just to put it into perspective for you, because you have proven that you can only write using filler comments from other people, Phoenix has a population of about 1.5 Million. New York City (city only, not metro area) has a population of 8.3 million, give or take. YET, the violent crime rate in Phoenix is DOUBLE that of New York City. Why is this you ask???? Because the Mexican Gangs and Cartels are using Phoenix as their own personal playground for Human and Drug Trafficking. How many of those people do you think are here legally? Please get you facts straight before you compose an article. It is embarrassing when you pull psycho babble out of you hindquarters at spew the libtard hate all over this great land. We can’t always fix everything by throwing hugs and rainbows at it. Sometimes we have to take serious action.

resno2

May 13th, 2010
12:39 pm

Mrs. W…bravo, bravo!!!

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

HDB:
Hates crimes are unconstitutional! You can legislate behavior but you can not lesgislate attitude or personal beliefs.

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

JG – if the Selective Service system can deny a citizen federal scholarship money for not registering at age 18 I supppose a foreign national should be held as responsible for getting legal paperwork and a current drivers liscense by the time they are an adult. Yes.

brailey

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

Rev. Al- I am a conservative and a republican but part ways with the party on the subject of immigration. My white child was pushed down the street in a stroller by a hispanic woman that I love like family. She taught my daughter spanish, how to make tortillas, and all about latin dance. We paid her a fair wage. We had 3 legal nannies before her that stole from us, ignored my daughter and left my house filthy. I’m sure I’ll get flamed for my views but my great great grandparents immigrated to Ellis Island from Scotland and worked hard to scratch out a living in this country. I am all for allowing our law abiding nanny to do the same.

everyday American

May 13th, 2010
12:41 pm

just a friendly reminder from our government, summer is just around the corner, and with the gas prices set to be at 4.00/gal very soon, and your electric bill set to be at several hundred dollars a month(cap and trade coming), make sure you check your air pressure in your tires and wear less clothing…thank you..

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
12:42 pm

Only in America would the immigration laws be ignored for so long, and one has to wonder why? Could it be because they Dems get more votes that way from all of you bleeding hearts..??

Or could thirty years of cheap labor been the reason?

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:42 pm

Mrs. W has a good point. What is the accumulated income of Mexico coming from illegals sending money back to Mexico? In billions? Wow, oil and now illegals are draining the US.

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
12:43 pm

Am I mistaken when think that the only time one will encounter the police is when they are doing something WRONG? With the exception of roadblocks, if you are minding your own business and abiding by the law, you have nothing to fear. If you are payin taxes and here LEGALLY, even with a roadblock, you have nothing to fear. The only people that have anything to fear are American citizens who are breaking the law and ILLEGAL ALIENS that are here ILLEGALLY. It’s funny how that word ILLEGAL keeps coming up….

You Asked

May 13th, 2010
12:43 pm

Brailey,

Would it have been to difficult to help her get a work visa and pay her social security taxes as long as she was doing such a fine job for your family?

Seriously – why are we debating about excusing ourselves from the law- any law?

Can I pick and choose which laws I want to obey because I think they are fair? That’s not a Representative Democracy, that is Anarchy.

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
12:44 pm

brailey

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm
She would be just as loveable as a legal resident.

Bill Campbell

May 13th, 2010
12:46 pm

The American people are tired of these law breakers and a government that will not enforce the law!! The National Guard needs to be on the border to stop drugs and the criminals who are crossing the border. The spineless people in Congress will all be voted out soon! Ms Tucker…you need to move to France!