Despite its racial profiling, Americans support Arizona law

Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants  accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking. Never mind the fact that Arizona is taking a big hit on tourism dollars because of it. Another poll shows most Americans think it’s a fine idea.

That includes nearly half of Democrats. From McClatchey:

A strong majority of Americans support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.

Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people’s immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants’ plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they’d favor the law’s passage in their own states.

More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn’t mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona:

But while the situation in Arizona is dire in some respects, it’s actually improving, not getting worse. For example, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that violent crimes in the state fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year data was compiled.

And, despite the clamor about dangerous immigrants, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates — such as Arizona. Crime in the 19 states with the highest immigrant populations dropped by 13.6 percent from 1994 to 2004, compared to 7.1 percent for the other 32 states.

Finally, although the U.S. illegal immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent. So, more illegal immigrants does not equate to more crime.

Critics accuse the federal government of doing nothing about illegal immigration. But there are more Border Patrol officers now on duty than ever before, and heightened enforcement has been a significant factor in reducing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

The law is also going to make the economy in Arizon worse. Tourism has taken a hit:

Since the state passed the nation’s toughest immigration law three weeks ago, its meeting and events business has fallen drastically.

Hispanic civil rights groups are boycotting Arizona and urging others to do the same. Officials at the National Council of La Raza, one of the groups driving the boycott, had privately asked the RNC not to meet in Phoenix.

The city risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to city estimates released Wednesday. The state’s hotel and lodging association has counted 23 canceled meetings for a loss of between $6 and $10 million. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the largest city to join the boycott.

More than anything else, the poll shows how emotional an issue immigration is in this country — and the reason few politicians have any stomach for dealing with it.

662 comments Add your comment

AZMom

May 13th, 2010
11:25 am

Yet again, another journalist spouting off about what’s going on within Arizona, without actually living here. When you rattled off all those statistics about how crime is supposedly going down, you forgot to mention that in 2009, Phoenix had 316 kidnapping cases, making the city our nation’s kidnapping capital. Almost all of the persons kidnapped were illegal immigrants or linked to the drug trade. Don’t forget to mention the ranchers down at the border who have thousands of illegals and coyotes traipsing across their property, threatening the ranchers and their families lives and not too mention murder (rancher, Robert Krentz). Don’t forget to mention the police officers and border patrol officers that have been killed by either the human smugglers and the illegals. It’s not all in gun battles either. Officer Shane Figueroa was killed when his patrol car was hit by a pickup truck driven by an illegal immigrant, driving drunk. Officer Figueroa was 25 and left behind a wife and 3 month old child. The driver of the truck had two previous DUIs.

Arizonians are fed up and I applaud Governor Brewer for doing what the Federal Government is afraid to do.

Trunk Monkey

May 13th, 2010
11:25 am

Realist, nobody blames *her* for getting dragged across the border. We do, however, hold her responsible for her actions as an adult…including working illegally, document fraud, lying to authorities, driving without license, etc. Staying here after she became an adult, and in full awareness that her actions put her in violation of the law…those were *her* choices and now she pays the price.

And it’s not like America *needs* another lawyer. Especially one with as little respect for the law and the legal process as Colotl displays.

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
11:26 am

@HDB if you get profiled you get a ticket, big deal. Getting into a lesser law school can negatively affect the rest of your life. So in 188 years can we stop Affirmative Action? At what point would you say your race has “caught up” from my races supposed “head start”? I thought perhaps a black president might be that point…guess not. You’re a hypocrite just like Cynthia. Making a decision based on race is ok in some instances but not others. How can you live with your hypocrisy? How can you logically say that affirmative action is fair? It is fundamentally unfair.

Steve

May 13th, 2010
11:26 am

Legals are welcomed…illegals should be deported. The failure of the Federal Government to enforce the law has brought AZ to do what they have to do to protect not just citizens of AZ but all Americans and slow down the rate of illegals coming into our country. Why is this so hard to understand? Racial profiling? Since the Feds won’t do it, California, AZ, New Mexico and Texas all should be doing this and I hope they do. If you’re hispanic and you’re legal….you have nothing to worry about. If I’m visiting and a Police Officer asks to see my ID, I’ll provide it. While we’re at it..we should keep the Canadians in check too!

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

Did I hear a Blame Canada claim! BLAME CANADA!

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

Starting in the late 1980’s, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect – sometimes simply fictitious – Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the “earnings suspense file” in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990’s, two and a half times the amount of the 1980’s.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2’s with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.

Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

“Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes,” said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security’s chief actuary, using the agency’s term for illegal immigration.

Contractor

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

Realist,

What about the innocent soldiers that went to war and died for your American rights? Sometimes there are sacrifices that had to be made for the common good.

HBD,

Keep your slavery BS to yourself. I don’t feel sorry for you in the slightest bit. How about you grow up and quit living in the 60’s. 188 year head start? So it seems you deserve to be given 188 times more preferential treatment than white people? Diversification is a ploy set forth by affirmative action to allow the less smarter people of color have their chance over a more deserving white person. And you’re a complete moron if you can sit there and say someone with lower grades deserves to be in school more than someone with higher grades. It speaks of your intelligence. And I am very tired of reading about you getting pulled over and profiled, so give it a rest. I have a feeling you won’t shut up until you have ownership of the entire white population

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
11:28 am

REalist, yes, stiff penalties for business executives who hiring illegally would do a lot to curb illegal immigration. But lawmakers don’t focus on that.

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

“Oh, and on the girl at KSU, by all means lock her up and throw away the key!!! What was she thinking coming here illegally with her parents when she was 10 years old!!!!”

@ Realist. Locking her up and throwing away the key? NO! She and her parents need to be sent HOME and fight for their “rights” in their native country, just as AMERICANS are doing here! Her parents should be charged with child endangerment as well. This young lady has spent the majority of her life being taught to breaking laws. I do wish her and her family luck upon returning to their homeland! :)

Fakey McFake

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

@Law Abiding Citizen

I don’t see what you see. Your superiority complex aside, your argument that the illegals who are currently in this country are going to stay in this country doesn’t hold water. These people don’t want to “stay,” they want to come and go freely. Big difference.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Dear Dunwoody Mike @ 11:04, I respectfully think you err: “And this is why matters of civil rights can not be left to a public vote. Just imagine if the southern States voted on civil rights in the 1950’s.” I remember the 1960s vividly, and I am comfortable the integration of Alabama football and Kentucky basketball were both unrelated to Congressional statutes. Black folks proved themselves worthy in “the market,” here, on the gridiron and on the hardwood.

Quite the contrary to the suggestion in your post, Congressional impositions always led to a popular push-back, even when it is against self-interest. I support Congressional action only to the extent necessary to counter similar but opposite Jim Crow laws. You see, the real problem is always politicians telling us all how to live our lives. Leftists have been with us forever.

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

The U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve the problem:

We should but in place their home countries own laws:

ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:

immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico and the LEFT no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Lt. Col, where did you spend 24 years…Fort Levenworth?

Ron Mexico

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

@ Californian – Anybody concerned about all the illegals coming across
the northern border? They take jobs too.- But they look
the white way so it’s okay.Right?

No they do it the correct way – LEGALLY!

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

Jed

May 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Thanks Dunwoody Mike,
You’re absolutely right. If we would just spend less on defense and raise taxes (how about even higher on the rich, like when FDR was president), we’d have a balanced budget.
So can anyone remind me what our federal deficit was last year, and what it will be this year? Hmmm, just read on WSJ that April’s deficit alone is $82.7 billion. April … alone …

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

“A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

atljad

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Lt Col. I support that motto 100% Back in the day (when it had application), the immigrants would come to this country, go through the immigration process, become PROUD citizens, work hard, pay taxes and PLEDGE ALEGIANCE to this country. Now, they sneak across the border, refuse to consider citizenship (b/c many intend to return to Mexico), hide their money in their mattress (not paying taxes), use our public services and then picket when we try to do something about it. I would venture to say that your 24 years of military service is rendered meaningless b/c we used to fight for something and we used to have a backbone. Not b/c we want to enforce laws that have been on the books for many decades. I hope that is what you were suggesting…doesn’t sound like it though.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
11:30 am

Dear Ms. Tucker @ 11:28, executing criminals for driving 5 mph above speed limits would also curb speeding, but that is not rational either.

Dan

May 13th, 2010
11:31 am

First of all profiling is police work 101, you can’t enforce the law without it period. Second the Arizona law simply allows Arizona law enforcement the same seeway to enforce immigration law that federal officials do, ergo if you don’t like that process (inane though that perspective may be) complain about the federal law, for therein lies the guidelines that Arizona officers now abide by

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:32 am

Craig, what about the rights of Citizens in AZ who are rounded up and sent to jail because they are hispanic and do not have proof of citizenship on them? I am not for illegal immigration. That is not why people are up in arms about this bill. People are upset about the rights of US born or naturalized citizens having their rights violated.

Why are conservatives so eager to give so much power to the government when they are so against big government?

Harvy LongJohnson

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

GEEZ – what part if ILLEGAL don’t people understand? They’re not “undocumented workers”, they’re “ILLEGAL ALIENS” and need to be deported and if caught a second time, sent to a FEDERAL prison…

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

“Your superiority complex aside, your argument that the illegals who are currently in this country are going to stay in this country doesn’t hold water.”

If being a law abiding citizen makes me superior, then so be it! I did say in an earlier post that I have no problems throwing stones. You “don’t see what I don’t see” because you most likely are a habitual law breaker.

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

PearlJam – Right On! Its funny how Mexico criticizes our immigration laws when their are much stricter and enforced to an exponentially level compared to ours. They are the definition of the pot calling the kettle black.

Cekker

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

I bet the crime rates in Arizona are not down if you take into account the biggest unreported crime in the state…illegal immigration!

If a police officer can’t be trusted to check immigration status then who can?

Williebkind

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

DirtyDawg

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am
It looks like Az is forcing the Annoited One to do his job! There are many tunnel visioned people here. The illegals are criminals. The businesses who hire them are criminals. The progressive liberals who defend the criminals are criminals. Aiding criminals is a crime. So Az is doing the only thing it can do to protect US citizens. Of course if you are progressive liberals you do not care about the US. You want to change it and mold it in your image. Some of you posted that crime is down. Of course it is down because of the attention that area is receiving and the convictions of the state government to stop it. I have always stated if it is vile, disgusting, and anti-American the progressive liberals are for it. The boycotts, I did not know Californication could afford refusing any efforts or means to raise or make money. Maybe the people or business that boycotts Az will go out of business. How would they act then. Oh I know! Obama my lord we need more money.

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:34 am

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:32 am

Realist, if they are here legally, then they have a drivers license, or a social security card, that alone will keep them from going to jail… Even if I leave my license at home, all I have to do is give that officer my license number and away I go… Nice try..

Billy T.

May 13th, 2010
11:35 am

Chuck

May 13th, 2010
11:37 am

I support AZ. I think I’ll go on vacation there.

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:37 am

“Why are conservatives so eager to give so much power to the government when they are so against big government?”

Another oldie buy goody line that you liberals are overusing. Please, come up with something better. So you like to break laws too? :)

Jan

May 13th, 2010
11:39 am

While you state violent crime and property crime is down – you do not consider the DRUG CRIMES and GANGS. It is well known that illegals are bringing massive amounts of DRUGS across our borders which have an adverse impact on our children, schools, and economy. If you are going to position this as illegals “bring no problems to the U. S.” then that is wrong…Not to mention loss of jobs for Americans, higher costs to our school systems (since illegal children are allowed to attend our public schools), etc. Do you realize how many hundred of millions of dollars have been spent by our public school systems on illegals? Perhaps we would not be having layoffs of teachers today if that had not happened….

It is wrong to spend money on anyone here ILLEGALLY…period. What do you state to a youth who is arrested for the first time on a minor situation when we willingly let illegals – who are breaking the law – get away with it??? On top of that – for goodness sake, we pay them to be here??????

Americans should be outraged and demand that all illegals be sent home asap…

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:39 am

“Why are conservatives so eager to give so much power to the government when they are so against big government?”

We told you that Obama was a Communist, this is just the beginning :) JUST WAIT !!!

Jimbo

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

ct doesn’t want to print this link to Boortz”s take on thissomaybe if I hide ithttp://www.ajc.com/opinion/left-fakes-hysteria-over-509989.htmlin here….

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

THIS IS REAL SIMPLE…IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND YOU DEFEND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO LIVE HERE AND YOU SHOULD LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.

Will

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

Nice Spin job you liberal hack. Normal Americans have had enough of this crap! I hope every state except California passes this law. People are not going to tolerate murder on our border any longer. If you don’t like it…… LEAVE.

Bryan

May 13th, 2010
11:40 am

How can any rational person feel that we should not try to remove illegal immigrants? Does anyone really believe that they and thier families are not a financial burden to any local, state, or federal organization? Seeing all of the cuts in heatlthcare, education, public services, ect., where do we draw the line? This country is filled with people of varied ancestry, we have always allowed people from outside this country to come in and settle, IF THEY DID IT PROPERLY!!! I would like some of the tax money I contribute to all of these government agencies and services to do some good, but if there is some portion of our population using these services without paying taxes, then we need to fix that problem. Arizona has a great idea and I think other states should do the same. Is a police officer asking if you are legal any more invasive than a census form asking if you are White, Black, male or female?

RGB

May 13th, 2010
11:41 am

What is (really not) surprising is how liberal journalists and Democrat politicians are so out of touch with the desires of most American citizens.

Thanks to Governor Brewer for providing needed leadership where none existed.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:42 am

atlshirt, you can get a drivers license without proving citizenship. Furthermore, most illegals are carrying duplicated social security cards, that is how lots are employed in the meat industry. I have firsthand experience with that. Very lax screening allows illegals to be hired with HR turning a blind eye, as long as they have some documentation even if the id is different from the last time the person worked there.
The problem is with employers and the check process!

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:43 am

Realist -
First I am not a neo-conservative, I am constitutional conservative, big difference, I believe in the rights of citizen not jesus. Second I grew up in LA and have many friends who live in AZ and their right are not being violated. Correct me if I am wrong but in order to get a AZ drivers license you must be a legal resident of the state. In order to obtain legal resident status then have at one point and time provided documentation that proves it. From that point one a valid drivers license w/ Social Security Number or Green Card/Visa Number with prove your status. So on a piece of paper in your wallet behind your drivers license you’ll have it. If you do not want or not eligible for a DL then you get a non driver ID card, found at any local DMV. Again provide the appropriate paperwork are you good. If your are not able to obtain legal resident then you are most likely illegally in our country should be sent back.

It is my understanding that people who will be targeted by this law are not randomly profiled and then detained bu rather committed some violation like a traffic stop and if they are found not to have any identification they are detained and questioned. Sounds to me all you have to do is provide a valid ID similar to the way our airports work . And just like safety in air travel, I am willing to deal with the hassle in exchange for security and protection.

Gary

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

As demand for resources including our state university system are busting at the seems forcing many kids to go to private for profit schools like the University of Phoenix and Devry at 3 to 5 times the cost of a Kennesaw State, I am outraged that there is some much sympathy for a non resident student paying in state tuition. That is subsidized by a state that is completely broke. This is tens of thousands of dollars being stollen from the state using false statements and documents. I am sure there are loans as well and other benefits she is taking advantage of at a cost to other students. Would it be okay for me to lie about prior work experience and my education in hopes of bettering myself with a higher paying job on false pretense. How is that fair to the employees around me. How many teachers lost their jobs this week because the state budget is tapped. How much state money is spent educating, training, feeding, housing, clothing, and healing people who have no right to be in the state. They do not pay taxes (no, sales tax does not count) they do not live above poverty levels. Yes Cynthia. Most people feel this way. I am sorry the Guatamalla and Nigeria are miserable places to live. But if you want to be here or any developed nation you have to play by the rules. If not, you will have to pay for the risk you have taken.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

THIS IS REAL SIMPLE…IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND YOU DEFEND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION LIVE IN A HOUSE BUILT BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND MAKING STUPID RANTS LIKE THIS YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO LIVE HERE AND YOU SHOULD LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.

fyt

It's The Tone, Stupid

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

Lt Col – I applaud your service to the country. However, the text you quoted is a poem – it is not in the constitution or any other law. It is just a poem and it wasn’t even placed on the Statue of Liberty until about 30 years after it was already standing.

Larry

May 13th, 2010
11:44 am

Gasp!!! A liberal journalist playing the race card? And standing on the side of criminals? LMAO. Some things never change.

Chris

May 13th, 2010
11:45 am

Everyone wants to help everyone, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Everyone wants to complain about the Health Bill and they want to know why their Insurance costs sooo much?? It cost that much because we ( Legal Tax Paying AMERICANS ) are footing the bill for Millions of Illegals Hospital and Dr. bills every day! Talk to anyone in a medical environment. Daily!!

Also our school systems are not free to (Legal Tax Paying Americans ) it’s in our property tax and I am always buying extra supplies for my child’s class. And school Lunch. My sister manages an entire county school system for lunchrooms. 73% of the students signed up for free lunches are illegal immigrants. That cost the county over 1.3 Million a year ! That is one county, now count up how many counties are in Ga alone and do the math. Now go nation wide with your math.

The solution!!!! We have cops at the hospital all of the time. We can’t tell anyone they’re illegal or we can lose our jobs for discrimination. Change that LAW and you will catch tons that way or they will simply stop coming for free baby deliveries and lots of other expensive procedures.

Also have a cop or cops for when they sign up at schools and when they can not provide citizenship papers don’t allow them to sign up and then haul them to INS. Which needs to change it’s laws because if someone is here illegally than they know they are here illegally. They are smarter than our politicians (which most people are )because they are coming here to take advantage of the loop holes.

We all want to help and we should for those who are here doing things the right way!

lovelyliz

May 13th, 2010
11:46 am

As a liberal, I support dealing with the illegal immigration problem, I just don’t believe that is what the politicians in Arizona are doing. I think they are trying to score easy political points by blaming the illegals and poor legal Hispanics for the issues that face the state.

Is crime a problem? Yes, but it’s a problem everywhere and you are much more likely to be victimized by a 100% legal, US born and raised, male citizen than you are by an illegal.

Do illegals cost taxpayer $$$? Yes, but then they also may sales taxes, through rent they support property taxes and with a Social Security number, they pay payroll taxes without ever drawing retirement or disability benefit. In these cases, they also pay income taxes without getting the $$ back in a refunds and let’s admit, these guys don’t make much, so if legal, they would be getting a refund. Illegals don’t get welfare, again neither do they set SSS retirement benefits or welfare. Just because someone looks Hispanic and speaks Spanish does not make them illegal.

What can be done instead of going after brown people? If Arizona politicians were serious, truly serious about dealing with illegal immigration, they would be going after those who import and hire illegals. They know who these business owners are. I am sure they could arrest anyone who looks like they hire illegals and if they don’t find they possess, on their person, all the files to prove the legality of all their employees, throw the business owners in an ICE detention faculty until the paperwork does show up. If it never comes, take away their business licenses.

jconservative

May 13th, 2010
11:46 am

I am not surprised a majority of voters support the Arizona law.

Most of my fellow citizens are frustrated and, hopefully, they are frustrated with themselves. For the past 30 years the voters have set back, listened to the politicians bend the truth about the opposition party, claim they are in the “right” and the opposition wrong, and swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Suddenly they look up and behold! There is a $12 trillion dollar debt for their kids to pay off. Illegals are running all over the place & no one lifts a finger. Millions are unemployed with no hope of a job on the horizon. Politicians just spent over a trillion dollars on two wars with nothing to show for it.

The voters soft comfortable existence in their made up world of low taxes, low gasoline prices, low interest, big comfy houses and high government services has simply gone “poof” and disappeared right before their eyes.

Now they are scared. They lash out at the nearest target. Illegals are a close target. Incumbents are a close target. Government spending is a target, unless strangely, it is government spending that directly benefits them. That they hang onto tightly.

And I am thrilled that the American voter is showing signs of awaking from that self-imposed addiction to the soft and comfy life.

And, please, use my rule at the ballot box – never vote for an Incumbent!

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:46 am

Realist, I had to show my birth certificate when I first got my drivers license.. and because I never let it expire, I never had to show it again… Before any ID is issued to ANYONE, that person must PROVE that they are who they say they are… The problem is with the state and local governments, and yes, companies do need to do the right thing and not hire anyone suspected as being here illegally… god knows ID’s and Social Security cards can be faked!

DemBrooks

May 13th, 2010
11:47 am

Ms. Tucker, it is NOT profiling to require legal identification of some kind when coming in contact with law enforcement. I, as a white female, have to provide ID to make a withdrawal from my bank account at a bank I have been doing business with for years. I have to show ID if I should ever be pulled over for speeding or some other traffic violation. I have to show ID to vote. I have to show ID to buy liquor for goodness sake. My employer has a copy of my driver’s license on file. We U.S. citizens have to show proof that we are who we say we are EVERY DAY! What’s the problem?!?

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
11:48 am

“It is well known that illegals are bringing massive amounts of DRUGS across our borders which have an adverse impact on our children, schools, and economy.”

Junkies always blame their pusher.