Despite its racial profiling, Americans support Arizona law

Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants  accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking. Never mind the fact that Arizona is taking a big hit on tourism dollars because of it. Another poll shows most Americans think it’s a fine idea.

That includes nearly half of Democrats. From McClatchey:

A strong majority of Americans support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.

Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people’s immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants’ plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they’d favor the law’s passage in their own states.

More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn’t mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona:

But while the situation in Arizona is dire in some respects, it’s actually improving, not getting worse. For example, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that violent crimes in the state fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year data was compiled.

And, despite the clamor about dangerous immigrants, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates — such as Arizona. Crime in the 19 states with the highest immigrant populations dropped by 13.6 percent from 1994 to 2004, compared to 7.1 percent for the other 32 states.

Finally, although the U.S. illegal immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent. So, more illegal immigrants does not equate to more crime.

Critics accuse the federal government of doing nothing about illegal immigration. But there are more Border Patrol officers now on duty than ever before, and heightened enforcement has been a significant factor in reducing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

The law is also going to make the economy in Arizon worse. Tourism has taken a hit:

Since the state passed the nation’s toughest immigration law three weeks ago, its meeting and events business has fallen drastically.

Hispanic civil rights groups are boycotting Arizona and urging others to do the same. Officials at the National Council of La Raza, one of the groups driving the boycott, had privately asked the RNC not to meet in Phoenix.

The city risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to city estimates released Wednesday. The state’s hotel and lodging association has counted 23 canceled meetings for a loss of between $6 and $10 million. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the largest city to join the boycott.

More than anything else, the poll shows how emotional an issue immigration is in this country — and the reason few politicians have any stomach for dealing with it.

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Educated

May 13th, 2010
11:00 am

Cynthia, still waiting on supporting documents regarding this legislation being racist…and no, an article by Rachel (ugliest man on TV) Maddow doesn’t count. I want to see where you found this in the bill.

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
11:00 am

@HDB I was racially profiled when a black student with a lower LSAT and GPA got into law school before me. I know how it feels and it sucks. But that’s life. Come here legally and pay your taxes and no one has a problem with you.

Chuckie D

May 13th, 2010
11:00 am

Hey Ms Tucker:

It appears you are opposed to obeying the law? That is, is it not customary to show your driver’s license after a routine traffic stop? Guess what, if I don’t have one, I’m going to jail whether I’m red or yellow, black or white—

The same applies here. The police responsibility is to ask questions after a probable cause stop/action is made. Remember that PBO’s comments about police stopping a father and son after leaving an ice cream store and asking for their ID is a “fairy tale”, (unless the father had not paid for the ice cream).

It is so easy to fall into the Al (remember Tawana) Sharpton and Jesse (Sloganmaster) Jackson’s trap of making everything black and white.

If you don’t realize that we are being invaded from the south of our border I can only hope that you open your eyes. This is a case of what is right and wrong and the US can not continue to support the flood of illegals in our country!

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

During their working life, undocumented immigrants in the United States will pay, on average, approximately $80,000 more in taxes per capita than they use in government services, owing to the fact that they are not eligible to take advantage of almost all of the social service programs offered by the federal government, according to a study released by the National Council of La Raza.
According to the report, in June of 2007, the president’s Council of Economic Advisers stated that the “impact of undocumented immigration on public budgets is likely to be very positive.”
The report cites the Texas Comptroller’s disclosure that, in 2006, undocumented immigrants paid about $424.7 million more in state revenues – including sales tax and school property tax – than they used in state services, including education and health care.
In addition to sales and property taxes, [an estimated three-quarters] of undocumented immigrants also pay payroll taxes through the use of false Social Security numbers.
According to statistics from the National Council of La Raza, these employees contribute approximately $7 billion to Social Security and $1.5 billion to Medicare every year, despite the fact that they are ineligible to receive these benefits.

MICHAEL POPS

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

I dont know why black people are defending the mexicans. The mexicans I know cant stand blacks.

adam schiff

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

tell you what cynthia, as a 25 year resident of phoenix, let’s make a deal. if you’re that dead set against senate bill 1070, prove the good citizens of arizona wrong and set up transportation for us. we’ll send you every coyote (the two legged kind) that has caused us to become the kidnapping capital of the united states, every violent recidivist illegal alien, like the 4-time loser who shot a phoenix city cop to death two summers ago, and any other person who’s in this country illegally. then let’s see what your solution is while sitting behind a computer monitor instead of telling us how to run our state. sorry to be so long winded but i and so many others here get sick and tired of listening to people tell us how bad this law is WITHOUT EVEN READING THE CONTENTS. thank you.

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
11:02 am

Kamchuk, did Reagan pass that bill all by himself…

Don’t let the fact that he signed it get in your way.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
11:03 am

I agree with Peadawg,
Cynthia, please answer the question. Not here, but in another post. What are your thoughts on illegal immigration, and what needs to be done about it? What would you do?
Also, the point on affirmative action being a form of racial profiling is somewhat convincing.
MOVING @ 9:52, priceless commentary. Did you write that or get it from somewhere? Going to link that one.

Larry

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

In a time of backlash against illegal immigrants, it takes voices like Cynthia’s to push back against the obvious attack against all of our civil liberties. We do not live in a goose stepping country where it is politically expedient to round up all of the spanish looking people to examine their papers. If it is the Mexicans today, then it could be the Muslim, Iranians, Chinese, and Korean looking people next. How about rounding up all of the redneck, looking Timothy McVeigh people as well as they pose an imminent threat to this country. Watch out Joe 6 pack, this is a slippery slope to round you up someday as well. Papers please Joe. Isn’t it just mean spirited as well? Also, sneaky conservatives are searching for a rallying cry in an election year similar to the gay marriage ban to rally the troops.

Typical Republican

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

As long as my taxes dont go up, I am all for giving up freedom for security. For that matter, they can fire all of the teachers in metro atlanta and replace them with high school graduates as teachers if it will save me on my taxes! Just cut spending, but do not touch my medicare, social security, or the military. I cant tell you what to cut, just cut taxes and spending!!!!
oh, and I want good highways to drive on and the cost of stamps to quit going up!!!
I am stomping mad, where is my tea???

Dunwoody Mike

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

And this is why matters of civil rights can not be left to a public vote. Just imagine if the southern States voted on civil rights in the 1950’s.

Steve

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

You wonder if the girl from Kennesaw was paying in State tuition at KSU. I hope everyone starts boycotting California, Illinois and any other states that boycott AZ. My wife and I are actually planning a vacation to AZ this year…………..

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:04 am

Are you liberals too stupid to understand the difference between LEGAL AND ILLEGAL immigration. WTF…do you not have any clue you are arguing a indefensible point! You talk about mob rule( Democracy)when you think it makes your point and then deny the rule of law (Republic) when addressing the illegals coming into Arizona. Liberals have taken Bill Clinton’s ability to lie and then believe it so to an all new level….ABSOLUTE HYPOCRISY.

JCamp

May 13th, 2010
11:06 am

I applaud AZ! Perhaps Ga will follow and curtail this Mexican drug cartel in the Atlanta area. Gosh, that would possibly cut down on some of our crime issues. But, the liberals love crime riddled cities and don’t think we can do any thing to lower our crime rates. The one’s I know just tell me that this is how things are now days and we have to learn to live with it.

Down in Albany

May 13th, 2010
11:06 am

The law DOES NOT allow for racial profiling! The law is not different from the federal law that’s been on the books for years. The feds simply will not enforce it.

Trunk Monkey

May 13th, 2010
11:07 am

what Tucker doesn’t seem to realize is that crimes committed by illegal aliens are often waived if the illegal agrees not to contest their deportation. Nor does she seem to care that most of those offenses are not considered ‘violent’ crimes which is why statistics tend to understate them.

As a Democrat, I *do* support the AZ law even though I might have concerns about how it’s implemented. The way I figure it though, with the ethnocentric special interests watching and waiting to pounce on the least little hint of civil rights infringement…AZ cops are more likely to err on the side of caution than vigorous enforcement.

A

May 13th, 2010
11:07 am

OK, Ron. It’s been established that people who are in this country illegally pay taxes and have jobs and are such a productive segment of the population that the country can’t afford to loose them. B., nobody remembers General Pershing, like you were around then anyway. Cynthia is Sexy-if you thin hate is old and boring you are ignoring a very valuable commodity. Hate is very useful and very much alive in these conversations. Also CiS, grammar, please?
And lastly: I AM THE QUEEN OF THE TROLLS111!!!111 (does a little hippity hop goddess dance while singing tonelessly ‘..this is so much fun, baiting idiots is so much fun…’)
last post

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:08 am

I am just glad that I am not an hispanic American citizen. If they want to stop illegal immigration, go after the employers of said illegals! Make employees prove citizenship upon hiring. That will stop it dead in its tracks!

Libertarian

May 13th, 2010
11:08 am

@Typical Republican
Teachers wouldn’t be getting fired if all the mexican student’s parents would pay their fair share of the teacher’s salaries (EG TAXES). All of my teacher friends (particularly in Cobb county) say their classrooms are swamped with mexican students.

Dunwoody Mike

May 13th, 2010
11:09 am

Libertarian,

Please do not use the “illegals do not pay taxes” argument. Ewer heard of sales tax? Gasoline tax? Property taxes included in rent?

STFowler

May 13th, 2010
11:10 am

Basic fact of the matter is that these people have no right to be in this country legally. To get here, they broke our laws. A crime is a crime. Kudos to the Cobb County Sheriff who is upholding the letter of the law. We are a Constitutional Republic based on a system of laws. Why are so many people intent on pacifying these lawbreakers. Send all the illegals packing, stop coddling them; thereby encouraging more to come.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
11:10 am

Another point:
Conservatives seem to believe liberals are not patriotic and want to ruin the country. They’re blasted for this by high-minded, ivory-tower types.
Why is this illogical? When you support social services to legal and illegal residents, when there’s no money to do it, you are asking for trouble. One program after the other, health care included, that’s unfunded …
I’d love for someone who considers himself or herself liberal to give a valid, logical reasoning for such a thing.
…..

(don’t worry, I’ll wait)

…..

Rex

May 13th, 2010
11:11 am

Auburn Fan: I was just talking about that the other day…only I think it is his nose, not his chin he is sticking up there…you know how Elitist libs are always looking down their nose at everyone else

Contractor

May 13th, 2010
11:12 am

California can’t afford to be boycotted, they are already bankrupt. It’s so funny hearing from places who have their own financial problems saying they’re boycotting somewhere, when they can’t even afford their own messes in their respective state. Football alone with the Cardinals, Arizona State Sun Devils, Arizona Wildcats, and the Fiesta Bowl will be enough tourism for the state alone. I don’t think they are shedding one tear about a few Liberals boycotting their state.

Dunwoody Mike

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am

Jed,

There is money for all of tose things you state. It’s called reducing the bloated defense budget and raising taxes on the highest earners back to Reagan era levels.

DirtyDawg

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am

The thing that I don’t read much about is the fact that the sheriff of Pima County, AZ, the one that borders Mexico for a good portion of the state, has said that there is no need for this new ‘law’ and that they already have plenty of laws on the books that allow his officers to determine who’s there legally and to turn ‘em over to the Feds when they find those that aren’t. So why does AZ want to put themselves through all this aggravation and cost? It just might be the ‘hate’…it definitely involves ignorance of the facts.

Plus, it would appear that AZ has decided that they’re gonna try and find out if they, in fact, do have enough law enforcers…and time…and jails…and figure that the other stuff – you know real crime-breakers – will just take care of itself while they’re rounding up ‘brown people’ and herding ‘em South…and if they don’t they can blame it on Obama.

If the comments from the Rock Hill paper’s editorial are factual, it would appear that the presence of illegals isn’t the problem (suggest you read his entire piece) that many of us think it is. Sure they’ve got crime down that way – most of it is brought about by drugs – and who/what is responsible for that?…American demand. Take the money out of the drug trade – like legalizing MaryJane – and see what happens. My guess is that if AZ had decided to do that…in effect, to deal with the disease instead of the symptom they’d find that the border crime that’s got them so upset will virtually disappear.

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:13 am

Please stop using the Indian’s should have asked for our green card excuse…I am half AMERICAN INDIAN and it MAKES NO SENSE. When we sink this life boat we will all drown…STUPID.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:14 am

Oh, and on the girl at KSU, by all means lock her up and throw away the key!!! What was she thinking coming here illegally with her parents when she was 10 years old!!!!

atljad

May 13th, 2010
11:15 am

How DARE we crack down on ILLEGAL activities? The word is right there in the name “ILLEGAL” immigrant. Until they are LEGAL, they are ILLEGAL. This country is doomed if we don’t grow a backbone and stop cow-towing to every minority group in the US just so we don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. Socialism is creeping in, you better believe it. Look at France. You like it? 20% unemployment, 25 hour work-weeks, massive federal spending, no backbone. We’ll be there in a decade at this rate. LIFE IS HARD! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! That is why the animal kingdom was around millions of years before us and will be around millions of years after us. They don’t feel sorry for the weak and underpriveleged. If you don’t allow the “Fittest” to thrive, then we all become mediocre. Welcome to it.

gb

May 13th, 2010
11:15 am

What’s so hard for you bleeding heart, socialist liberals to understand about following the law? That’s everone following the law! It is very, very easy to become a legal immigrant into this country. People that try to circumvent the laws of our country are wrong! You guys that think we should pay for people to break our immigration laws belong with them, in jail!

Latina

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

I know I’ll take a lot of heat for this but the illegals got to go. It’s hard to believe the stats saying that crime is down when I see crime from mostly Mexicans in my neighborhood. They make the rest of us legal, law-abiding Hispanic citizens look bad. And believe me I am NOT the only non-Mexican Hispanic that feels this way.The strain on our social services, jobs, etc are enough logical reasons to get them out of here. I’ll admit the Az. law seems to be a racial profiling law at best, but when you’ve had enough, you’ve had enough.

Texas Tea

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

Dunwoody Mike,

Ever heard of INCOME TAX that they DON’T pay? Seems like the largest chunk of tax dollars to me.

neo-Carlinist

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

I personally take the advice of AZ’s neighbor Nevada; what happens in Arizona concerns Arizona. Let the ACLU or whomever challenge the law, and let the ‘activist judges’ rule. And, enough with the poll data. is is 65% of Americans or 65% of the 1,600 registered voters polled? And if the opponents of the law want to organize boycotts, all the better. This issue will then be resolved sans the courts and the politicians. This is an AZ issue, not a GA issue.

It's The Tone, Stupid

May 13th, 2010
11:16 am

It’s not bewildering, Cynthia – it’s reflecting the tone of the country which, like it or not, is more conservative than liberal. How simple is that?

Ken

May 13th, 2010
11:17 am

CT, have you ever been to AZ? Did you know they have permanent road blocks to check for illegals? I guess thats profiling too huh? I have no problem with this law. If you had actually read the law you would see there is no “profiling” involved. The police cant stop you cause “you look illegal”, and to say otherwise is suggesting the AZ police are all “racisits”.

TGT

May 13th, 2010
11:18 am

“Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking.”

Of course, you have proof of such activity, right?

Nevermind that about 90% of illegal aliens in America are Hispanic with about 70% being Mexican. Nevermind that these numbers are probably even higher in Arizona. What are they supposed to look for in this battle, Latvian grandmothers?

Law Abiding Citizen

May 13th, 2010
11:19 am

A says … “So, there are about 20 or 30 million illegal immigrants in the USA. Big job, making them all go away. What is it about this conversation that reminds me of Nazi Germany? Oh yeah, unifying an unintelligent and fearful group by creating a common enemy. In this case, Hispanics. Basically this conversation is about hate. Which seems to get an inordinate number of you off. Illegal immigration is not even a topic worth reviewing. People who have come to this country are not going to leave. And no one is going to go after them. It just doesn’t make good sense. Which means that you are hating as a hobby. Maybe you could try golf? Also, about the kid in Kennesaw, go pick on somebody your own size. Bullies.”

So A (A-hole), what LAWS have you broken? How are you benefiting from ILLEGAL immigration? Are you expecting something in return for supporting ILLEGALS? Just like a liberal, something is in it for YOU so your support is paramount … and all others are bullies and racists. Stop the ranting about how Americans are never going to get rid of the millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. Silly boy, AZ is just the beginning! Get your act together A, the ILLEGALS won’t be here to help you when you want and need them.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

Hey, contractor, the Blessed Republicans just decided to not have their 2012 convention in Az because of this. Instead they are having it in Tampa!

I read where sheriff Apaio (sp?) just rounded up 89 people in a suspected raid and held them in jail. Thirty percent of them (26) were legeal U.S. citizens being rounded up with the suspected illegals. This is exactly what people are against. Not gathering the illegals, but profiling citizens as well.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

Libertarian May 13th, 2010
11:00 am
@HDB I was racially profiled when a black student with a lower LSAT and GPA got into law school before me. I know how it feels and it sucks.

1) You were not profiled…..imagine you were driving a new car in Dunwoody…visiting friends…and the cops pull you over for NO reason!! THAT’S profiling!! Your law school wanted to create a more diverse student body…and they have the right to SELECT the students they desired!! Plus, those that decry Affirmative Action have had a 188-year HEAD START!!

2) The Arizona law states that it’s the police’s DISCRETION that creates probable cause!! I can be walking down the street…and a cop can demand to see my identification!! If you saw the most recent profiling incident in Seattle where a cop kicked a Hispanic man and screamed epithets……you’re seeing where this nation will be heading!!

3) In Arizona, your drivers’ license is NOT proof of citizenship…ONLY IF YOU HAVE AN ARIZONA LICENSE will you be considered a citizen!! That requires everyone to carry a PASSPORT!!!

Re-read the law….look at what’s happening…and PRAY that we, as a nation, are NOT that STUPID!!

Teacher Man

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

It is highly likely that the State of Georgia alone spends over $100,000,000 educating the children of illegal immigrants. This is not counting the federal subsidies for free lunch programs, transportation costs, etc. By law all school aged children in the United States, legal or not, are required to be given a free public education. If the state didn’t have to fund the education of these children how many teachers would still have a job?

PearlJam

May 13th, 2010
11:20 am

Fact is people are buying into the media and left’s point that the law contains “racial profiling”

You can lie all you want saying it contains “racial profiling” but that will never make it the truth. People are smart enough to look past the left media agenda and find out the truth.

Lt Col

May 13th, 2010
11:21 am

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

24 years spent in the military only to have the Statue of Liberty rendered meaningless!! :(

MB

May 13th, 2010
11:22 am

I think we are on track to curb immigration. If we continue to sink the economy and we all work for the government then there is no real reason for anyone to move here. I would like to applaud the administration’s full hearted attempt to make this a place that does not offer any opportunities. Well done.

Big D

May 13th, 2010
11:23 am

Dun-Mike, the only thing the CONSTITUTION really makes certain and is job one for the GOVERNMENT is the COMMON DEFENSE….just in case you cared.

Fakey McFake

May 13th, 2010
11:23 am

LMAO. Why does everyone support this when I clearly just played the race card? Why don’t you people see it MY WAY? What is wrong with the vast majority of Americans who don’t realize the most important issue is always race?

Craig - The real Criag

May 13th, 2010
11:23 am

Its not about profiling as you said, its not about harassing non English speaking people like you claim, but more about national security and rights of citizens and legal immigrants. Again CT you choose to defend the ignorant and scold the rational. AZ was forced to impose its own law because the Fed Govt has failed to address the border and immigration policies. I am not against people coming to country in larger numbers, but quite the opposite, I am all for more people coming to our country LEGALLY! I want to ensure people who come to this country are not carrying a disease or a violent criminal or worse on the terror watch list. I want to ensure that all foreign nationals here get equal wages but to do that they need to be taxed. I want as many people to the American Dream but in order to do that a line must be drawn and people must follow the rule of the law. Our forefather immigrated to the country but people fail to remember they did it LEGALLY through places like Ellis Island where they were cleared to enter our country. CT you never fail to be ignorant and a bigot. Ever think that by taxes the foreign work force instead of paying them under the table then the people who try so hard to defend will actually have more benefits because the budget is being met by more tax revenues and realistic budget by taking everyone into account and not just the citizen. And my last thought is what ever happened to the rights I am afforded by being a citizen – does being PC trump my civil rights as a natural born American? STOP HATING ON LEGAL TAX PAYING MEMBER OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!

Realist

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

Why don’t we punish companies for hiring them without proof of citizenship?

Wouldn’t that stop illegal immigration in its tracks?

atlshirt.com

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

This whole Immigration Thing was designed in order for us to Forget how badly our rights were trampled when that COMMUNIST HEALTHCARE BILL passed without a majority support.. Those people who opposed the AZ bill, are the same ones who support Healthcare… Ignorance is Bliss…

Californian

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

Anybody concerned about all the illegals coming across
the northern border? They take jobs too.- But they look
the white way so it’s okay.Right?

HDB

May 13th, 2010
11:24 am

MICHAEL POPS May 13th, 2010
11:02 am
I dont know why black people are defending the mexicans. The mexicans I know cant stand blacks.

Not in all cases!! I have Mexican friends and contemporaries….and we get along famously!! You know the reason: I’m flexible enough to speak a little Spanish…and will eat/drink/party with them!! Those who attempt to communicate have few problems; those that denigrate cause problems!!