Despite its racial profiling, Americans support Arizona law

Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants  accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking. Never mind the fact that Arizona is taking a big hit on tourism dollars because of it. Another poll shows most Americans think it’s a fine idea.

That includes nearly half of Democrats. From McClatchey:

A strong majority of Americans support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.

Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people’s immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants’ plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they’d favor the law’s passage in their own states.

More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn’t mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona:

But while the situation in Arizona is dire in some respects, it’s actually improving, not getting worse. For example, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that violent crimes in the state fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year data was compiled.

And, despite the clamor about dangerous immigrants, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates — such as Arizona. Crime in the 19 states with the highest immigrant populations dropped by 13.6 percent from 1994 to 2004, compared to 7.1 percent for the other 32 states.

Finally, although the U.S. illegal immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent. So, more illegal immigrants does not equate to more crime.

Critics accuse the federal government of doing nothing about illegal immigration. But there are more Border Patrol officers now on duty than ever before, and heightened enforcement has been a significant factor in reducing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

The law is also going to make the economy in Arizon worse. Tourism has taken a hit:

Since the state passed the nation’s toughest immigration law three weeks ago, its meeting and events business has fallen drastically.

Hispanic civil rights groups are boycotting Arizona and urging others to do the same. Officials at the National Council of La Raza, one of the groups driving the boycott, had privately asked the RNC not to meet in Phoenix.

The city risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to city estimates released Wednesday. The state’s hotel and lodging association has counted 23 canceled meetings for a loss of between $6 and $10 million. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the largest city to join the boycott.

More than anything else, the poll shows how emotional an issue immigration is in this country — and the reason few politicians have any stomach for dealing with it.

662 comments Add your comment

Caroline

May 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

Actually, Portland Oregon also acted against this law. I wasn’t asked. I don’t think most of us were asked. So the Mayors of LA and Portland are against this Arizona. Not the people.

I think it is ironic that a law to make it illegal to come across the border illegally is an oxymoron. It should be in the first place.

Everyone, not just hispanics show ID to people every day, at banks, to buy a house, to open an account, to open a business, to even rent a home. We all do it willingly. To get an American Drivers License we have to prove we are citizens. Even those of us born here.

timber64

May 13th, 2010
1:34 pm

If your your innocent why worry if the law enforcement asks for your identification. I’ve been asked for ID form the police many times and I just show them my ID and move on. If you’ve got nothing to hide then just show your ID, quit cring and move on. Only the people that wine and moan like little kids have something to hide, plain truth!!!!!

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
1:36 pm

Mike @1:06 pm

I see no logic whatsoever to what you said, just simple-minded assertions. Yours is the perfect example of the kind of knee-jerk response I’m talking about.

Mike, how would you feel as a wannabe immigrant wanting to be a part of this great country, only to be told to go away and stay away? Would you still love America, or would you start to see us as part of the problem, perhaps the biggest part?

Terrorism is based on a hatred of this country you have yet to understand, and it’s not going to get any better with our giving everyone else the sign. In fact, it can’t help but get worse.
Just think about it, Mike. It’s not so hard to understand.

I Report/You Decide

May 13th, 2010
1:38 pm

Tom Middleton = Most Cluelss AJC Blogger…and that ain’t an easy competition to win…

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:39 pm

dcw May 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

Those of us who HAVE read the law…see where it does lead…and have EXPERIENCED racial profiling ARE speaking out against it!! It IS racial profiling!! Why is it that the right doesn’t want governmental involvement in our lives…but is now asking for it in many other categories??? What is is you REALLY want??

Realist

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

Caroline, “To get an American Drivers License we have to prove we are citizens. Even those of us born here.”

This is soo not true! I worked at many poultry plants that had illegals able to obtain drivers Licenses.
Most were able to drive with a license. How the did it, I do not know but it is possible and quite easy.

jmh

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

Another day, another story about race & discrimination from CT; what a surprise!

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

timber64 May 13th, 2010
1:34 pm

NOT TRUE!! Why should the law have the right to pull me over WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE to ask for my identification??? Are you putting THAT MUCH POWER into the police’s hand??? Are you desiring of a POLICE STATE???

PLEASE SAY IT AIN’T SO!!

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

I don’t think we are abdicating the creation of a police state. We are for enforcing the law. If you are here illegally then you need to be deported.

If you are here legally then you are protected under the rights afforded you by the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and other laws like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for example.

According to US code, if you enter the United States illegally you can be fined, imprisoned, prohibited future entry and deported or any combination of those measures.

The law is clear and AZ is enforcing the law.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

HDB,
For illegal aliens to leave. For anyone who wants to come into this country to do so, with pleasure, as long as it’s the honest, legal way. That’s all.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:45 pm

Mike May 13th, 2010
1:41 pm

Since the law states that the police need NOT have probable cause to question ANYONE…THAT’s the beginning of the creation of a police state!! NO matter how one arrived in this country, the US Constitution blankets it protection to ALL who are here…not just CITIZENS!! The law allows racial profiling….and allows Arizona to become a police state….IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:45 pm

HDB: Wrong. Show me where it allows racial profiling. What do we want? THE RULE OF LAW. Why is that a problem with leftards?

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

The American Way of Life “Fear and Greed”. You can’t have one without the other.

Sam What Am

May 13th, 2010
1:47 pm

It’s because 60% of us have read what’s in the law. “Probable Cause” must exist.
Doesn’t Cynthia understand that illegal immigrants take jobs away from citizens with few qualifications – many of whom are Black?
I believe 99% of illegal immigrants in the USA are (otherwise)honest and hard-working, but some are professional criminals, sent here by cartels.
If these ambitious, hard-working people stayed in Mexico, maybe they could improve that dis-functional country, which would also be good for the USA.
Have you noticed that the reconquista / Aztlan / la Raza advocates have taken over the demonstrations that began on Cinco de Mayo ? They don’t want a “pathway to (USA) citizenship” !!

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
1:47 pm

Obviously, Ireport, the problem is a little more complicated than you can handle. If you have some logic behind what you say, let’s hear it, even if you have to think a little bit first.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:48 pm

Jed May 13th, 2010
1:42 pm
HDB,
For illegal aliens to leave. For anyone who wants to come into this country to do so, with pleasure, as long as it’s the honest, legal way. That’s all.

Problem: 1) People wish to deny Constitutional protections to ANYONE…whereas the Constitution covers EVERYONE who is in the nation, not just citizens
2) Ronald Reagan FIRST created the amnesty program for undocumented aliens….and no one cried about it
3) GWB offered the same thing as Reagan did…did NOT secure the borders…and no one cried about it……

Now that Obama is in the White House..the cacaphony speaks volumes!!! There’s more to this than just what is being said!!

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

Tom

I understand the hatred of America that you talk about. I understand that in many places around the world we have a very poor image. I also understand that our country is a country of laws and part of those laws include immigration laws. Those laws need to be enforced.

America approved approximately 946,000 legal permanent residents in 2004 and approximately 5 million temporary visas in the same year.

I don’t think America is saying “don’t come,” I think America is saying “respect our laws” by entering the United States in a legal manner.

Dan

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

Hmm I post the link to the arizona.gov website where the law specifically states that someone may be questioned only when stopped for another infraction and it is “moderated” out. Amazing the lengths the press goes to hide facts when they belie their flawed ideology
You can all find it yourself on Arizonas website

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

I wonder how many of you would be okay if there were “check points” setup at every intersection that would require proof of citizenship for ALL. I know Yeah, Yeah – as long as it gets rid of illegals. But, I will call you all liars. You are the product of microwave ovens, microwave diners and fast food restaurants.

Jed

May 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

HDB,
No, not really. People are finally fed up, that’s all. You asked a simple question, I gave you a simple answer. Everything else about Constitutional protection, who’s to blame, etc., is moot.

Gator Joe

May 13th, 2010
1:52 pm

Cynthia,
The poll results about this issue demonstrate how easily a segment of our society can be manipulated. The misinformation spewed by Right Wing media about undocumented immigrants is readily consumed by people and unexamined for veracity or logic. As Hispanic (3rd generation US citizen), why would I visit or support a state where discrimination, which racial profiling is, has been legalized. The most disturbing, and dangerous, response from anyone about this: “If your aren’t doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about when detained”……

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

And what are you a product of, Sick&Tired?

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

Tom Middleton 1:47

That’s a big “even if”

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
1:56 pm

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

I’m the product of a society that likes to racially profile people who are black, brown or just different.

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:57 pm

Sick&Tired: I believe you are. I know I am not.

Ivan

May 13th, 2010
1:58 pm

HDB,

The Arizona law doesn’t give police the power to “pull you over without probable cause.” However, we’re all prone to road blocks, which are done every day.

Keith

May 13th, 2010
1:59 pm

A person not speaking English is a good reason to ask for papers. Isn’t the citizenship test in English?

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
2:03 pm

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:57 pm

Well be thankful.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
2:06 pm

Keith

May 13th, 2010
1:59 pm
A person not speaking English is a good reason to ask for papers. Isn’t the citizenship test in English?

FYI, there are many Spanish speaking AMERICANS who lived in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Many families go back to before that part of the country was even part of America. If that is your basis, you do not have hte cops to stop all of those people.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
2:09 pm

Again Keith, how is that not profiling?

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:09 pm

Mike: The law is clear and AZ is enforcing the law.

And what does this mean to someone wanting to be an American but told to go away? It used to be that we represented something magnificent to the rest of the world, and now we’re in danger of losing the one reason the rest of the world (95 percent) has been willing to put up with us for so long.

You talk about the letter of law, and I’m talking about the spirit of this great country and the “freedom for all” in which we say we believe. Do you believe in this, Mike?

And are you a Christian and believe in the Golden Rule? If you are, then you should be able to put yourself in wannabes’ shoes and see us through their eyes, even if just for an instant. It can help you understand, Mike, but even more: It will give you a glimpse of our future should we forget who we are supposed to be and lose our very soul!

Dan

May 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

HBD you have been informed and even pointed to the actual law on the Arizona website stating specifically that documents cannot be asked for except if stopped for another infraction. I realize it is a liberal tactic to continue to repeat their talking points hoping to convince people, but even though some may choose to ignorantly drink from the well the truth remains the same and is easily attainable with 5 minutes research

A dad

May 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

It’s Bush’s fault!!!!!

jg

May 13th, 2010
2:11 pm

From the USCIS website – for those who would like to obtain a visa to come here – For DV-2010, natives of the following countries1 are not eligible to apply because the countries sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the previous five years: BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, ECUADOR, EL SALVADOR, GUATEMALA, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

May 13th, 2010
2:11 pm

Get over it Cynthia – If NObama was really doing something about this, it wouldn’t be an issue. Bend Over, here comes your CHANGE.

How about another 4 BILLION for Fanny Mae? Where’s that story? mmmm, mmm, mmm Barack the LIAR Obama.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:15 pm

Dan May 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

I’VE READ THE LAW….it states that race is not the SOLE reason…but it does NOT state that race IS NOT the reason!! Lawful contact is determined by the POLICE!! If I were sitting on my porch and the police pulled up, they could ask me for my identification because THEY determined that this is lawful contact! THAT’S PURE RACIAL PROFILING!!! Too many don’t see that!!

JF McNamara

May 13th, 2010
2:15 pm

Are you really suprised Cynthia? I mean really? The same country in which those in power allowed slavery, treated women as second class citizens, and allowed the near genocide of Native Americans wants to wield its power to keep down minority groups.

The facts remain though. They are here illegally, and by definition are stealing the benefits of our society. It is a problem that needs to be solved from both a securing our borders perspective and an payment of government services perspective. People feelings are going to get hurt, and the majority of Americans want it to the be the illegals. In a manner of speaking, it should be the illegals since they have no right to be here in the first place.

There is a benefit to them being here, but that’s hard for people to understand (or want to understand) when their neighbors and friends don’t have jobs or they feel as though they are being slighted by the illegals being here.

The Kennesaw State issue is a perfect example. Why should this illegal alien get to go to college when my kid doesn’t? Throw out the fact that my kid is a “C” student who could care less about school and that I wouldn’t save a dime or get a loan so my kid could go. That illegal shouldn’t have more than I have. I’m sure you know this is the mentality, and its no shocker that people like the Arizona law.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:16 pm

Ivan

May 13th, 2010
1:58 pm
HDB,

The Arizona law doesn’t give police the power to “pull you over without probable cause.”

Note my 2:15 to Dan……

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:17 pm

Kamchak@1:53 pm

Yea, Kam. I get kind of tired of kids on this blog throwing verbal spit balls in lieu of something intelligent to say. I know you feel the same. Are these punks the future of America? Maybe it’s best to just ignore them.

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

jg

May 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

The Kennesaw State issue is a perfect example. Why should this illegal alien get to go to college when my kid doesn’t? Throw out the fact that my kid is a “C” student who could care less about school and that I wouldn’t save a dime or get a loan so my kid could go. That illegal shouldn’t have more than I have……

The girl has a 3.8 GPA and WANTS to go to school – your kid could care less about school – something wrong with this picture?

That illegal shouldn’t have more than I have……NO COMMENT.

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:20 pm

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:21 pm

T0M HAYNES

May 13th, 2010
2:22 pm

Crap! I give up. Tune in tonight Newsedge @11!

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

Berma Shave!

Kamchak

May 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

Tom Middleton

I’m sure that just as bad or worse was said about me—maybe even justifiably so.

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
2:26 pm

I read your stuff, Kam, and you make sense. Maybe we should just wait for them to grow up.

timber64

May 13th, 2010
2:26 pm

HDB. Dude you have never been pulled over for speeding, running a red light, running a stop sign, not using your blinker, driving stupid, being somewhere where you shouldnt have been etc. etc. etc. The police dont pull you over because they feel like it, generally you are doing something boneheaded is the reason you get stopped by the police. Either way, if your innocent you should have no problem. Are you hiding something??????????????????

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

Jf McNamara, You’re making too much sense.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

timber64 May 13th, 2010
2:26 pm
HDB. Dude you have never been pulled over for speeding, running a red light, running a stop sign, not using your blinker, driving stupid….

All of the above is probable cause; that’s within the police’s authority!!

… being somewhere where you shouldnt have been
Who makes that determination – the POLICE?? Don’t think so!! THAT’S RACIAL PROFILING!! What about the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!!

Are you hiding something??????????????????
Aren’t you forgetting the 4th and 5th Amendments??