Despite its racial profiling, Americans support Arizona law

Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants  accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking. Never mind the fact that Arizona is taking a big hit on tourism dollars because of it. Another poll shows most Americans think it’s a fine idea.

That includes nearly half of Democrats. From McClatchey:

A strong majority of Americans support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.

Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people’s immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants’ plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they’d favor the law’s passage in their own states.

More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn’t mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona:

But while the situation in Arizona is dire in some respects, it’s actually improving, not getting worse. For example, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that violent crimes in the state fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year data was compiled.

And, despite the clamor about dangerous immigrants, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates — such as Arizona. Crime in the 19 states with the highest immigrant populations dropped by 13.6 percent from 1994 to 2004, compared to 7.1 percent for the other 32 states.

Finally, although the U.S. illegal immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent. So, more illegal immigrants does not equate to more crime.

Critics accuse the federal government of doing nothing about illegal immigration. But there are more Border Patrol officers now on duty than ever before, and heightened enforcement has been a significant factor in reducing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

The law is also going to make the economy in Arizon worse. Tourism has taken a hit:

Since the state passed the nation’s toughest immigration law three weeks ago, its meeting and events business has fallen drastically.

Hispanic civil rights groups are boycotting Arizona and urging others to do the same. Officials at the National Council of La Raza, one of the groups driving the boycott, had privately asked the RNC not to meet in Phoenix.

The city risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to city estimates released Wednesday. The state’s hotel and lodging association has counted 23 canceled meetings for a loss of between $6 and $10 million. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the largest city to join the boycott.

More than anything else, the poll shows how emotional an issue immigration is in this country — and the reason few politicians have any stomach for dealing with it.

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GoldenDawg

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

Has anybody read the final bill or is this just coming of the TV? The bill planly states ” A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: ”

Are you guys really that dumb to think that if I’m a police officer I would have the time to stop every person that might be illegal?

mini mi-mi

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

according to the Congressional Budget Office and the Social Security Administration, undocumented immigrants do pay taxes, including individual income, sales, property, and social security taxes.

Data from the Social Security Administration (SSA) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) suggest that some unauthorized immigrants use false or fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers (SSNs) to satisfy paperwork requirements during the hiring process and that employers use those numbers to withhold federal, state, and local income and payroll taxes for employees. Workers who do not qualify for SSNs can use Individual Tax Identification Numbers issued by the IRS to file tax returns, make payments, and apply for refunds. Although there are no reliable data on unauthorized immigrants’ rate of compliance with tax laws, the IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year. Other researchers estimate that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.

Several of the states whose estimates CBO reviewed used a model developed by the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) to determine state and local taxes paid by unauthorized immigrants. ITEP assumes a 50 percent compliance rate for income and payroll taxes.

Researchers from the Urban Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the Pew Hispanic Center, and the Center for Immigration Studies have assumed a 55 percent compliance rate for income, Social Security, and Medicare taxes.

As part of a larger study on migration, the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of California at San Diego conducted a survey of unauthorized immigrants and found that, in 2006, 75 percent had taxes withheld from their paychecks, filed tax returns, or both.
The presence of unauthorized (undocumented) workers in the United States also has a positive effect on the financial status of Social Security. The earnings of unauthorized workers are less likely to be reported for tax purposes than the earnings of the rest of the population and even less likely to result in future benefits, according to Social Security’s chief actuary. Although the magnitudes cannot be precisely determined, the actuary has estimated that unauthorized immigrants paid as much as $13 billion in Social Security payroll taxes in 2007. About $1 billion in benefit payments were made based on unauthorized work (for example, survivor benefits paid to U.S. citizens who were dependents of deceased individuals who had made payments into the Social Security system while performing unauthorized work). Thus, undocumented immigrants improved Social Security’s cash flow by an estimated $12 billion in 2007.

ken

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

Americans did not want health care and it was jammed down ou throats. No reason to think this will not be the same.

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

Brailey I am with you – my granddaughter had the most wonderful babysitter. She was kind and loving and is greatful to be here. She learned english – raised her family in one home (not a bunch of people living together) – embraced this country so who did she take a job from? Kindercare? Where an infant is charged $200.00 a week – and they pay the staff minimum wage?

When is the last time you saw an American line up to clean hotel rooms or toilets?

Lauren

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

I am a California resident born and raised! And I attend The University of California, Los Angeles, and let me say that I am 100% FOR the Arizona Law and 100% PISSED at the City officials of Los Angeles (as are MANY of us college Students). They Selfishly are not listening to us; the polls Don’t Lie, and are doing their own thing. And I am pissed! Instead of focusing on our Billion dollar LA debt, our POOR public education system, our filthy and Crowded health facilities, and Rising unemployment rate, they are spending time Boycotting a fair law. If Arizona did not stand up now, where would it end. NO ONE knows the torture they’re going through because they do not live there. Did you know that illegal immigrants are crossing the border, stealing identities (wallets, cell phones, passports, drivers licenses..) and selling them for a couple thousand when they cross back?? Exactly. Check your facts before you ‘Aww.’ because American’s are losing everything even their identities. I hope this happens to the city officials or their close ones so they will understand the mental and sociocultural torture. Not only is what LA doing, ruining ties us college students have across states for the future, but their messing with peoples lives (NBA players) and individual business ventures. How dare they? I like many people who LIVE IN (not just govern) LA support it. Believe me, anyone who disapproves will not be re-elected. Times are changing; and we’re coming up. Focus on our financial problems, not Arizona’s business. Thats why were in debt today!

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
12:48 pm

You asked – Good point. I often find myself riding my motorcycle a little over the speed limit. I wonder if I get pulled over if I can tell the police that I choose not to follow the speed limit today….

Alatsea

May 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

The prefix IL means not, so not legal. See how this is working?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

May 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

Dear You Asked @ 12:43, valid question: “why are we debating about excusing ourselves from the law- any law?” Best answer is that not all laws have the same moral basis. Whereas theft and murder are morally wrong, and law merely validates the common wisdom, other laws – immigration, traffic control, drug use – have no particular moral turpitude inherent in the violation. Magnifying the “dignity” of those laws with no real moral basis has the effect of debasing those laws founded on constraining immoral behavior.

Short version: laws with no valid moral or economic basis are unworthy of a mature population, and ought to be resisted.

Speed Racer

May 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

Why is it “bewildering”, as the AJC.com headline states, that Americans would support making sure our borders are secure and that the people in this country are here legally?

jg

May 13th, 2010
12:50 pm

The government won’t give work visas for housekeepers or nannies.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
12:50 pm

Javier @ 12:26, most illegal immigrants who came here before the drug wars are dead. They’ve been going on for quite a while, sorry you haven’t noticed.

I consider it “family values” when you don’t allow your children to get shot or to starve. Are you aware druglords import illegal immigrants to work pot farms on public lands? These workers are motivated, knowing their family back home is subject to the cartel’s whims. I bet you’d be raising a bumper crop if you knew your family’s life depended on it–literally.

timber64

May 13th, 2010
12:51 pm

Illegal aliens are breaking the law by being here. Whats funny is if I were to break the law, I go to jail!!!Illegal aliens on the other hand, cry racial profiling so they can continue on with raping of US taxpayer money and continue on with their illegal status!! Most of the people against the new Arizona law are the illegal immigrants here illegally. You are here illegally so either go through the legal process or get out, simple……………

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:51 pm

Drawing Black Lines May 13th, 2010
12:30 pm
HDB … Sounds like you are into The Resentment movement.

So you’re saying that you are comfortable giving the police unfettered power to pull you over for no reason…no probable cause…and you’ve broken no laws?? Sorry…I won’t go for that!! Since you’ve never been pulled over for DWB (as I have…too many times!)…you won’t understand!! Asking for identification WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE IS the presumption of GUILT!! I’m railing against that!!

leon hargreaves May 13th, 2010
12:32 pm
“I have been discriminated against for over forty years. Why? Because I am a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
First we have Affirmative Action, i.e. someone of color gets the job that I applied for….”

Not this again…..does this not sound like WHITE ENTITLEMENT?? Leon, here’s the question: are you ENTITLED to DENY a person access to success due to the color of his skin?? THAT’S what America has done prior to 1964..the only thing that Affirmative Action did was to grant the ACCESS….since you have greater competition, you’re blaming the players rather than the game……and since the rules of the game changed, we all are caught up in the NEW rules…..

Williebkind May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm
“HDB:

Affirmative action is discrimination and I do not care how many colorful ribbons you wrap around it. It is discrimination.”

Question: how would you have remedied the persistent discrimination that was legally and illegally done to minorities at the behest of the majority?? How is it when minorities are beginning to progress at similar levels as Caucasians, white entitlement rears its ugly head??

Ragnar Danneskjöld May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

Good afternoon, Ragnar — In this aspect, we’re on the same page…but for me, it was people like James Meredith, Hamilton Holmes, and Charlayne Hunter(Gault) that were the trailblazers……the athletes accelerated the process!! (Nothing against the athletes…….)

pat May 13th, 2010
12:37 pm
Racial profiling? Just who would be jumping fences to enter the country illegally? Danes? Congolees? No, mexicans.

FALSE! How about the Cubans and the WET/DRY facets of the law? What about the Haitians…who are turned away at every chance??

Look at the ENTIRE picture…and see how discriminating practices hurt EVERYONE!!!

Jack

May 13th, 2010
12:51 pm

The AZ law makes sense: That’s why Tucker is against it.

Ivan

May 13th, 2010
12:53 pm

Even if the Arizona law is racial profiling…..so what?

“Papers please.”
“Hey you! I’m innocent until proven guilty! You’re discriminating just because I’m brown!”
“I was referring to your Health Insurance card.”
“Oh. No problemo…here you go…..”

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

OK about 99 percent in favor of AZ. what will happen in November? I can’t wait!

American

May 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

Why is this a bad idea? These people are here illegally! I bet the immigrants who came over and gained citizenship the right way dont mind this law either! These illegals are cheating our system, and the ones who did it the right way are being cheated as well. If you are here illegally, I could care less if you get sent back to where you came from, because you broke the law to come here in the first place. This goes for all, not just hispanics.

76carman

May 13th, 2010
12:54 pm

Bewildering to you perhaps, but not to those who deal with the same problems in real life. Wake up to reality

t

May 13th, 2010
12:55 pm

cynthia, maybe the majority of americans understand what the law truly says and does and aren’t following the liberal race-baiting mantra.

Example: Police officer pulls car over for speeding. Asks for drivers license. The driver says he/she left it at home, as well as their car insurance. Because of the law, the officer now has the OPTION of checking the person’s name to see if they are a legal resident. how is this bad?

Legal in the USA

May 13th, 2010
12:55 pm

Cynthia, you will never get it. You won’t get it because you are against everything that is Legal in this country as long as it promotes your agenda. If you would listen sometime to the real problem…our infrastructure can’t handle masses of illegals…you might wise up and use some common sense. I say go after ‘em anyway we can and bring balance back to this country. If I had some vacation time I would spend it in Arizona because those people know what they are doing. I support them wholeheartedly!! Hopefully, Georgia will follow suit.

Some are more equal than others

May 13th, 2010
12:57 pm

Ahahaha, I like how Arizona law makers have taken a sh** on their own state. By passing this law, they’ve now made themselves public racists to the rest of America. Not only that, but the state is going to lose massive amounts of profit from tourists that have decided on boycotting the state. Not only that, but all the money that could help make the state and it’s people a better, more secure and safe place with better educational programs for people will now be funding the “capturing” of “illegal immigrants” which obviously isn’t true. This is just a racial profiling tactic. Quite the mistake since all these “illegal immigrants” actual bring in money and help the state. All this money that will be funded to enforce this stupid law will be the biggest waste and worst mistake the state has ever made. I’m glad the lawmakers will suffer, I feel awful for the people of this state.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
12:58 pm

Williebkind May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm
HDB:
Hates crimes are unconstitutional! You can legislate behavior but you can not lesgislate attitude or personal beliefs

I disagree – on the unconstitutional part!! If a person’s attitude lent to the commission of a crime on a particular minority, the category CAN (note the word!) be increased to a hate crime level!! Look, burning a cross on a lawn, hanging a noose…dragging a black man behind a pick-up truck (James Byrd in Texas)…or Matthew Sheppard in Wyoming……THOSE crimes not only fall under the murder statute…but also the HATE CRIMES statute….and those circumstances should be considered!!

Javier

May 13th, 2010
12:59 pm

Aquagirl,

Didn’t say there weren’t a few people who came here to get away from druglords, just that has Not been the driving factor prior to the major fighting that has been going on down there.

My father’s family didn’t leave Mexico because of drugs, but when they did it, they did it Legally.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:00 pm

@HBD

I understand your human rights arguement but I just don’t agree with you. They are here illegally and therefore should not be afforded the same protections as American citizens. I have no problem with anyone being afforded the protections of our laws if they enter the country legally.

Your arguement assumes that the police will use this law to profile people of all color. The legislator that wrote the law included a section of the law that makes racial profiling against the law in Arizona per his interview on CNN.

For you to become a target, you must be suspected of breaking the law, ie. traffic violation, robbery, underage drinking, etc. or exhibiting manerisms which convey that you are about to break the law ie. loitering.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
1:01 pm

She got caught…Too bad…she has had YEARS to become legal and didnt. Then drives without a license then lies about it…HA HA!!

CTs blog wont allow link…see front page AJC.

“Arrest warrant issued for undocumented KSU student”

Tom Middleton

May 13th, 2010
1:01 pm

Oh, good. Let’s throw ‘em out and slam the door…and give the rest of the world one more reason to hate us. Sorry but we’re never going to defeat America-hate this way, and the terrorism that goes along with it.

Maybe someone should do a poll that asks: “Would you rather have illegal immigration or increased terrorism?” To some degree, it is a false choice, for there are other options. But at least it would get Americans thinking again, instead of giving out their usual knee-jerk responses to a call during dinner.

Rick

May 13th, 2010
1:02 pm

mini mi-mi May 13th, 2010 10:43 am

During their working life, undocumented immigrants in the United States will pay, on average, approximately $80,000 more in taxes per capita than they use in government services, owing to the fact that they are not eligible to take advantage of almost all of the social service programs offered by the federal government, according to a study released by the National Council of La Raza.
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Yeah like anyone can believe anything printed by the racist group La Raza that thinks Hispanics are superior to all others and don’t have to comply with the immigration and labor laws of the USA.

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:04 pm

So we get rid of all the illegals – now Farmer Brown has to pay a higher wage to the American – the cost of your food goes up. No more Mexicans cleaning your hotel room – hotel costs go up – no vacation for you this year. Pedro’s lawn service is now out of business – either pay a higher rate/do it yourself/or keep your lawn nasty. Construction takes a huge hit as well…..prices of homes skyrocket. Shall we continue? Oh not as many kids in school – so we need to downsize schools and reduce staff.

The Nerve

May 13th, 2010
1:04 pm

“Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking.”

I guess the liberals just keep thinking if they say this enough times, it will become true.

It is a lie. And they keep spreading it with the jolly hope and leg tingly anticipation that it will become true.

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

More legal – You are an a$$clown. Illegal immagrants don’t make anyone money. They cost everyone money. They make a lower wage so that saves people money right? Wrong. Becasue they make so little they are now eligible for public housing, medicare, free and reduced lunch for their children at school, free health care, pay less (if any) in taxes, etc,…Do you see the trend? Of course you don’t…

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

@Tom M.

Your assertion that deportation of illegal immigrants would lead to more terrorism in the US is absurd. Controlling our borders and knowing who is in our country would help decrease terrorism.

According to your logic, we don’t have the right to implement and carry out laws in our own nation. I hope there are not many who share your views.

Tony Linn

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

Yes, it’s about time. These illegals are costing us Millions of Dollars (including health care). Why should it be illegal to ask for your papers, heck, I want to do that every day. Put em back on a plane, far far away. Build them walls, just like the Great Wall of China (why not). If not, it will never end.

G'Vegas Dawg

May 13th, 2010
1:06 pm

excuse me, More equal…

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:14 pm

Mike May 13th, 2010
1:00 pm
“@HBD

I understand your human rights arguement but I just don’t agree with you. They are here illegally and therefore should not be afforded the same protections as American citizens.”

The US Constitution states all PERSONS…the rights of the PEOPLE — not just citizens…are covered. Note the 4th Amendment!! Because of the Constitution..all PEOPLE are under its purvue when in the USA….I’m looking at the protections that the Constitution provide being eroded by xenophobes!!

“Your arguement assumes that the police will use this law to profile people of all color. The legislator that wrote the law included a section of the law that makes racial profiling against the law in Arizona per his interview on CNN.”

That’s NOT what the law states; the law grants the police unfettered power to ask for identification WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE and at the POLICE’S DISCRETION!! It’s already being done in Seattle…a Hispanic man gets kicked in the head by the cops for doing nothing when they were supposed to be looking for a man with a machete!!! The cops WILL use the law against ANY ande ALL minorities in Arizona. Too many here discount DWB (driving while black)….but it DOES happen…and under this law, it WILL INCREASE!!

Realist

May 13th, 2010
1:14 pm

Lauren, you said “Did you know that illegal immigrants are crossing the border, stealing identities (wallets, cell phones, passports, drivers licenses..) and selling them for a couple thousand when they cross back?? ”

Sooooo, this law will put an end to that?? Whew, what a relief!!! Criminals will find a way no matter what. This law is pure politics that opens the door for profiling.

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

Javier, kudos to your family for immigrating legally. I’m just pointing out that many of these whiners would do exactly the same as the illegal immigrants, if their positions were reversed. People will do what they need to do to protect their family.

We have a long history of looking the other way while illegal immigrants pick our produce, build our houses, and cut our grass. Or import theirs to be smoked. It is US policy and demand for cheap labor which has created the problem. Blaming an illiterate with 4 hungry children is so much easier than looking in the mirror, isn’t it?

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

No G’Vegas they dont get public housing or food stamps (unless you are related to Obama that is)- they get WIC/free lunch/and medicare (just pregnant women and children)…..

This is not a problem that just happened overnight – this has been going on for generations and the goverment has not stepped in years and years ago to do something about it.

Alfred Montez

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

I suppose that the legislators who introduced, and those who supported this law will be voted back into another term knowing that this bills is destined for failure. Not that it was conceived for the exact purpose of fraud, but fraud is what the bill will produce. It will fail on so many levels, it will produce law suits. A deep mistrust, and hatred of law officers, not unlike the distrust and and hatred found in most crime ridden urban and inter city neighborhoods. Selective groups of human beings and related businesses will suffer heavy monetary losses. Not to mention the embarrassment and humiliation brought on, when stopped for appearing not to have assimilated by the Arizona officers who must do their job, knowing that it will cause more harm then good. What’s next? A brown star worn where it could be seen. Jailing those who would hire these modern day slaves would leave a vacuum in the donations bins of the politicians who produced the bill in order to satisfy the tax paying constituents.

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:18 pm

@Javier – Just curious, when did your family come here legally? Did your parent(s) have some sort of skill that allowed them to come here? Or did they just apply for immigration to the US?

DB

May 13th, 2010
1:19 pm

Profile me all you want. I have nothing to hide. If it helps find the people breaking the law then it is what is best. If you are here legal the law would have no impact other than a slight delay when being pulled over. As a teen I was profiled for having a cool car. Only got a few tickets. As an adult if I go shopping in a area where I am the minority, I get my bag checked at the door. No bother…I dont’ steal and don’t break the law. The KSU incident makes it clear. What if instead of a traffic violation it was a wreck and she hit your car. NO lisence and no insurance means your insurance foots the bill. Illegals should be cleared out.

Walker

May 13th, 2010
1:20 pm

Peadawg you’re nothing but a punk.

Realist

May 13th, 2010
1:22 pm

jg

May 13th, 2010
1:04 pm
So we get rid of all the illegals – now Farmer Brown has to pay a higher wage to the American – the cost of your food goes up. No more Mexicans cleaning your hotel room – hotel costs go up – no vacation for you this year. Pedro’s lawn service is now out of business – either pay a higher rate/do it yourself/or keep your lawn nasty. Construction takes a huge hit as well…..prices of homes skyrocket. Shall we continue? Oh not as many kids in school – so we need to downsize schools and reduce staff.

BINGO!!!! YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! ALL MEAT COST WILL FINALLY GO UP. DO YOU NOT EVER WONDER WHY MEAT COSTS HAVE STAYED STAGNANT OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WHILE THE COST OF DURABLE GOODS HAS GONE UP??? ILLEGALS FILL THE MEAT PROCESSING INDUSTRY!!!

Jeff

May 13th, 2010
1:25 pm

AZ has decided to do for itself what the feds wouldn’t do for them. Enforce the law.

Mike

May 13th, 2010
1:26 pm

Prices may go up but so will tax revenue for the government since Americcans will be earning a high wage. After we combat the deficeit, then a major tax break could go into effect so more American could keep more of their money.

You are right. It is simple.

HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:27 pm

DB May 13th, 2010
1:19 pm
“Profile me all you want. I have nothing to hide.”
If you’ve done nothing, why should you be profiled??

“If you are here legal the law would have no impact other than a slight delay when being pulled over.”
If you have the presumption of innocence and have done nothing, why should you get pulled over? Is that NOT a violation of your rights??

Why do so many wish to give up their rights under the guise of security when you are unknowingly assisting in the creation of a POLICE STATE??

Kate + 8

May 13th, 2010
1:27 pm

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Will John have me thrown into Federal prison.
Are the kids illegal aliens?
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HDB

May 13th, 2010
1:29 pm

Alfred Montez May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

Well said!!

John Birch

May 13th, 2010
1:30 pm

What we have is subjugation of the majority by a minority. The majority of Americans want something done about the illegal aliens but the politicians who want their votes do nothing about it. Next year look for Obama to introduce some type of amnesty program then the issue will really heat up.

mit

May 13th, 2010
1:31 pm

this is funny how the roles have reversed since the democrats are in power. before, when Bush was in office it was the republicans that shouted, what was it?, security at the price of liberties wasn’t going to work(even though they did the opposite). i know someone on here knows the exact quote. now its the republicans giving up liberties for security and the democrats don’t like it. anyway, KSU student is wrong, KSU is wrong, Arizona law is profiling and we will continue to waste millions on illegals with this law anyway. there are plenty of americans driving without licenses or insurance to that argument is invalid. but now you see the problem with the law netting legal americans too, which equals more money wasted. i don’t want to live in a country surrounded by a fence or wall or whatever else you want to wrap around us. The berlin wall coming down was a big deal, now you want to build one here?

dcw

May 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

The Feds have absoulutely dropped the ball on this one. AZ had no choice. Good for them.

What makes topics like these do difficult to discuss with lefties is they refuse to recognize that facts to begin with. No, this is not about racial profiling. Read the law.