Despite its racial profiling, Americans support Arizona law

Never mind the racial profiling. Never mind the fact that the new Arizona law aimed at illegal immigrants  accomplishes little except harassment of the Spanish-speaking. Never mind the fact that Arizona is taking a big hit on tourism dollars because of it. Another poll shows most Americans think it’s a fine idea.

That includes nearly half of Democrats. From McClatchey:

A strong majority of Americans support Arizona’s controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.

Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people’s immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants’ plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they’d favor the law’s passage in their own states.

More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn’t mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

The oddest thing about all the support for the law is that, while it supposedly stems from outrage over crimes committed by illegal immigrants, crime is down in Arizona:

But while the situation in Arizona is dire in some respects, it’s actually improving, not getting worse. For example, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics notes that violent crimes in the state fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year data was compiled.

And, despite the clamor about dangerous immigrants, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates — such as Arizona. Crime in the 19 states with the highest immigrant populations dropped by 13.6 percent from 1994 to 2004, compared to 7.1 percent for the other 32 states.

Finally, although the U.S. illegal immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent. So, more illegal immigrants does not equate to more crime.

Critics accuse the federal government of doing nothing about illegal immigration. But there are more Border Patrol officers now on duty than ever before, and heightened enforcement has been a significant factor in reducing the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.

The law is also going to make the economy in Arizon worse. Tourism has taken a hit:

Since the state passed the nation’s toughest immigration law three weeks ago, its meeting and events business has fallen drastically.

Hispanic civil rights groups are boycotting Arizona and urging others to do the same. Officials at the National Council of La Raza, one of the groups driving the boycott, had privately asked the RNC not to meet in Phoenix.

The city risks losing as much as $90 million in hotel and convention business over the next five years because of the controversy, according to city estimates released Wednesday. The state’s hotel and lodging association has counted 23 canceled meetings for a loss of between $6 and $10 million. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the largest city to join the boycott.

More than anything else, the poll shows how emotional an issue immigration is in this country — and the reason few politicians have any stomach for dealing with it.

662 comments Add your comment

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:12 am

After the Kennesaw State girl who’s in the country ILLEGALLY and still taking classes, I’m all for it! Go Arizona! People have to realize that something has to be done about the illegals. We have sooooooo many legal citizens who need jobs that the illegals are taking. The blame shouldn’t be placed on Arizona lawmakers. The blame should be placed on people who hire illegals instead of hiring legal citizens.

Granny Godzilla

May 13th, 2010
8:13 am

I guess, we won’t see immigration reform this year.

Can this process be broken down into smaller more manageable segments?
Can we secure the border first? Then deal with the rest?

How do we secure the border?

Sick&Tired

May 13th, 2010
8:22 am

I’m not suprised at all when you look at the hate spilled on the blogs every day. They need someone to blame for the economy, financial and housing collaspe. They blame poor blacks for buying a home, hispanics for lack of jobs and both groups for crime.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:22 am

Every country has the right and mechanism (police or military) to do this very thing. This is nothing new. Go to Mexico, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey…it doesn’t matter, you will be stopped and asked for your papers if you don’t “look” like you are from there. This topic is pointless.

Funny how the droves of people turning out in protests happened so rapidly with so many people. Who is organizing all these people? Doesn’t seem to be a grass roots movement to me…more like astroturf.

goober pyle

May 13th, 2010
8:24 am

CT – It is NOT racial profiling – the new law was enacted to identify and/or remove illegals from the United States. If illegals want to live and work here they need to follow the laws required for citizenship or temporary status – you DO agree that these illegals are breaking the law by being here – don’t you???

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
8:24 am

The reason everyone or most everyone is for these profiling laws is the illegals have overstayed their welcome, they work to avoid the laws, they drive around without a license and/or no insurance etc.

Enough is enough. Get them out any way possible.

I support AZ!!

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:25 am

Sick and Tired—the HATE you speak of couldn’t possibly be toward conservatives or people who think differently than you, right?

Rick

May 13th, 2010
8:26 am

The effects of illegal immigration on local communities is undeniable. Just like the recent CBO projections of the new healthcare reform bill…well what do you know, the old estimates were gross underestimates of the true costs, just like the costs of illegal immigration.

When teachers are being cut, why are we tolerating illegal aliens and their children within our communities? Just how many children of illegal aliens are being taught in our local schools and what is the cost to local taxpayers? How does it affect the education that children of US citizens are receiving?

The case of Jessica Coloti is a current one and shows just urgent the problem is and makes it clear that the federal government has refused to secure our borders and protect not only US citizens, but the tax resources that are collected in their behalf!

In a recent local article; Dr. Dan Papp, the president of KSU, issued a press release stating that the university is “thrilled” that Ms. Coloti will be able to continue her studies in the midst of proposed cuts to KSU’s state budget to include laying off or eliminating 224 positions and reducing the number of freshmen and transfer students by 10 percent. Funding for the Siegel Institute, the Burruss Institute, the Center for Excellence in Teaching, the Kennesaw State University Press, and the Collegiate Recovery Center would be eliminated. Selected degree programs in education, business, humanities and social studies also would be cut.

Some of the larger questions are: How does the school bypass state law? How many people have been laid off and positions eliminated since 2008? How many illegal aliens are enrolled in KSU?

It cost local taxpayes $10,000 to educate each child. It only takes 100 children of illegal aliens to reach the $1 Million mark. That is enough money to provide jobs for 8-10 of these teachers that are being cut from our schools. Large school systems like Cobb and Gwinnett might have 30,000 or more children of illegal aliens!

These same schools are overcrowded or local school systems have been forced to build new schools at tremendous cost to accomodate the influx of the children of illegal aliens.

Firm but Fair

May 13th, 2010
8:26 am

Unfortunately Granny, I think that is a good question with no good answer. However, we have to do something regarding illegal immigration. We have more and more people taking advantage of public services, without contributing to their existence. I couldn’t agree more that we must secure our borders first, and then develop a plan to citizenship for those who would like to become citizens.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:26 am

Cynthia, what is your suggestion on how we deal with illegals? How do you suggest we control the borders? All you’ve done the past week or two is complain about laws being put in place to help with the problem of illegal aliens. What’s your solution?

T-Town

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

“the violent crime rate nationwide declined by 35.1 percent while the property crime rate fell by 25 percent”

I guess we all should be happy, unless your one of the statistics.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

Even if AZ goes “broke” due to this silly boycott, the gubment will bail them out, right?

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

Call if racial profiling, call it persimmon salad, call it whatever ya want. Just get them out or toss them in jail. Put their anchor babys in a US or Mexcian orphanage until PawPaw and Mamasita can go retrieve them.

Get them out any way possible…I support AZ!!!

TommyJack

May 13th, 2010
8:27 am

It’s NOT that complicated. Secure the borders first. (yes, they can)
Then move on to a plan for citizenship, guest workers, etc. Without securing
the borders, no plan makes sense. Problem is, Congress has no stones.

Terrence

May 13th, 2010
8:29 am

**Can this process be broken down into smaller more manageable segments?**

HELL NO! The majority of Americans wanted the healthcare bill broken down into smaller more manageable segments. The dems said HELL NO! Same goes for immigration.

It’s only fair.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
8:30 am

These illegals seem to forget they are GUESTS in this Country. Their arrogance factor is off the charts and they have become outright defiant. Where was INS during these demonstrations?

INS shouldve shown up with the paddy wagons and arrested them by the ton.

I SUPPORT AZ!!

Joel Edge

May 13th, 2010
8:31 am

I am amazed that the city of Los Angeles is calling for a boycott. They are basically siding with criminals. Hopefully this boycott will turn out like the SC boycott. A whole lot of nothing.

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2010
8:37 am

Peadawg,

The blame lies squarely on our Congress and our judicial for not enforcing our laws. It also lies squarely on the shoulders of the last few presidents we have had who did not have the kahunas to step in and do the right thing. All of them want the latino vote. Another example of where our elected officials will be the death of this country yet.
We could stop the influx of illegals if we so desired. Many other countries control their borders very effectively and some even shoot those who would cross the line illegally. They worry little about “profiling” and more about their own security. Even the thought of not being able to ask someone about their legal status to be in this country because of some silly notion that it might hurt their feelings is absurd. This isn’t the Today show or Regis and Kelly. These are people who are hell bent on gaining a foothold in this country politically to further their aims. And our legislators are letting them get away with it!!!!
How do we secure our borders? We start shooting a few of these “poor, unfortunate felons”, especially the drug gangs and repeat offenders. We station the National Guards of the states of Texas, Arizona, California and New Mexico on the borders with orders to shoot to kill if anyone crosses our borders without authorization. We tell the Mexican president, who is so concerned with the “rights” of his citizens that if he doesn’t take steps to keep them at home, the shootings will continue and he might be next. If they shoot back, we declare war on those who would invade our country illegally. They have figured out long ago that we are so soft on this issue that we won’t do anything about it. The more latinos who establish themselves in this country, the more of an issue it will become. We have several presidents to thank for this fiasco, from Carter to Bozo. None of them had the balls to stop it.

goober pyle

May 13th, 2010
8:40 am

kayaker – I could not have said it any better!!!!

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:40 am

kayaker71, how about a fence + electricity? That would probably add a couple thousand jobs in Texas, Arizona, etc.

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
8:41 am

God does not recognize the term illegal, we are all members of the human race , set-up a Ellis island type post on the border to process the masses and welcome all Latinos to enter, just as European immigrants were welcome…..

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:43 am

Worthington, and I’m sure you’ll be one of the first to welcome them into your home and help them out until they can make it by themselves, right?

King of All

May 13th, 2010
8:43 am

As long as they are not bothering me I am fine with it. It will only be a problem to me if it hits close to home. I am a Great American!!!

T-Town

May 13th, 2010
8:44 am

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

But, our hipprocracy (sic) only goes so far. We want all to come legally.

Mallory

May 13th, 2010
8:44 am

Unfortunately we can’t go back to square one. Filter through the illegals. Those who have been productive citizens pay a hefty fine, get a work permit good for three years, during which time, they are required to learn english and what it is that constitutes being an American citizen. Only after they’ve met the requirements do they get full citizenship. If, after three years, they haven’t bothered to learn they’re out. They should also be required to expose another known illegal. The fine (paid up front) goes towards the cost of completing the border fence.

Rex

May 13th, 2010
8:45 am

“racial-profiling” is not even a eral term ! It was made up by Liberals. The correct law enforcement term is simply “profiling” It also WORKS.
It can be any type profiling to seek out common denominators for perps. We are NOT being over-run and invaded by blonde haired blue-eyed Swedish people, we are being taken advantage of, and assaulted in many ways by ILLEGAL MEXICANS ! Period. It would take a complete FOOL to miss this point. Or a leftist idealogue who only cares about political-correctness and upping the amount of folks who may vote democrat one day. The Left including CT lie about this law every single day. As for boycotts, how bout sticking up for whats right and dont worry about the money.
And Cynthia, have you EVER done your homework on how Mexico deals with Illegal Aliens ? Lets hear about that, then tell me why we should give Mexicans criminals different treatment ?

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
8:47 am

I am supposed to believe even though there is no crime problem and the economy will take a big hit, Arizona did this just to annoy folks? Your liberal logic has failed you again. Your article makes is sound like the state just passed the law for no other reason than “harassment of the Spanish-speaking”. That makes no sense.

Russ555

May 13th, 2010
8:49 am

I thought police already had a duty to question people when they have reasoable grounds to suspect they were illegal, or had committed any crime.
Just don’t see that this law changes anything.
Nothing in the law says they can engage in racial profiling, or stop people without reasonable cause to suspect a crime has been committed.
That’s what the police are supposed to do.

melvin polatnick

May 13th, 2010
8:50 am

The nation can survive very well if law enforcement officers were prohibited from stopping and searching a pedestrian. Most of the searches are done only for the purposes of finding illegal drugs, those searches could be handled on the property of the suspect with a court issued warrant. The stopping and frisking of illegal immigrants for ID is wrong when it can be done in their place of employment. Public areas are sacred and being told to freeze and having to put the hands against a wall should be unlawful. It is true that police powers would be limited and criminals harder to catch if the powers of search and seizure were directed only to those on private property, but making a cop work harder to make a bust makes life easier for everybody.

Drawing Black Lines

May 13th, 2010
8:51 am

The most idiotic thing about these boycotts is they are putting legitimate documented latinos out of their small businesses. Take a poll to see how 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation Mexican CITIZENS feel about the new law. They are ALL FOR IT. They did it the right way and they are suffering because of those who are breaking the law. This is a spit in the face to Mexican American citizens who uphold values and honor.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
8:52 am

Russ555 – the state did not have the ability to do what the feds could, so Arizona passed a law saying they could. That is what they are so upset about. Makes no sense.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
8:54 am

Well said, Drawling Black Lines!

Joel

May 13th, 2010
8:54 am

It is interesting how DC has chosen just to ignore the issue- if you ignore it, it will go away? I assume there aren’t enough lobbying $s available to get traction. We are not doing anyone a favor by ignoring. I am a little suprised that the article says “racial profiling” when it is clear that the Arizona law that was finalized followed the existing Federal law. Anyway, Mexico has as many resources as the US and Canada (natural and human capital) and needs to move more rapidly from emerging market to stabilization and the US needs to quickly get a plan together working publically with the Mexican gov’t- no other special interests.

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
8:56 am

Joel, Two things: First, the ARiz law does not follow existing federal law. Existing law requires all legal residents to carry green cards. It does not suggest racial profiling. Second: How could you say Washington is ignoring the issue? A bill failed in 2007. STill, Harry Reid and others have talked about bringing it back up this year, despite the fact that he knows there are not enough votes to pass it.

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
8:57 am

Auburn Fan, You’re right: The law makes no sense

ctucker

May 13th, 2010
8:58 am

Yes, King of All, That’s the way most Americans feel: Profile somebody else.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
8:58 am

Joel – you are surprised that Cynthia used the word “racial profiling”? Well get used to it, she looks for controversy having to do with race.

Bob

May 13th, 2010
8:58 am

sick and tired, you must be flexible to have your head so far up there. “We”, the people that are not opposed to this law are not blaming blacks for buying houses, we are blaming politicians that caused the mess with Fannie and Freddie. How many more billions do they need and what was the consequence of Fannie and Freddie underwriting a Trillion in bad debt. We also are tired of illegals marching in our streets demanding rights knowing what some of our family members went through to get into this country legally. Cynthia, was it racist when my grandfathers family had to apply, proove they had sponsers and then come into this country a few family members at a time ? Can anyone calling this a racist bill ever remember boatloads of Germans running across the borders and demanding rights as illegal aliens ? If it is racist to believe Hispanics should apply for entry like our forefathers did, do you believe the process was racist to the euros that had to apply ?

Aquagirl

May 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Kayaker71, the National Guard has been a little busy in Iraq and other places. Maybe if our entire military wasn’t tapped out we could spare a few troops, but it was all worth it to catch Bin Ladin, right?

We’ve been shooting at the drug lords and their armies for a long time. It hasn’t worked. It just creates MORE illegal immigrants as they try to escape OUR drug war. While I understand your frustration, more force will do nothing to solve this problem.

Cynthia is Sexy!!

May 13th, 2010
9:00 am

And now Fanny/Freddie are in trouble again…stunning surprise.

Rex

May 13th, 2010
9:00 am

and of course Cynthia did NOT do her homework and wont reply to my post…..as usual

david wayne osedach

May 13th, 2010
9:01 am

Cynthia can you imagine just how expensive it will be to enforce the Arizona law? First the illegals will have to be arrested and jailed. Then go before a judge. Then deported. The procedures will take weeks. And it will be very expensive.

Old White Man

May 13th, 2010
9:03 am

Who are you people? Who are so willing to give up your own freedoms because you are afraid that you can’t compete with mostly uneducated, immigrants who can’t even speak the language. Whose fault do you think it is that employers choose to pay less to employ these workers and not you? Most Americans are completely unwilling to work these jobs anyway. The KSU student is a perfect example of the kind of immigrant that we have always welcomed in this country, despite being brought here by her parents without any choice on her part. As for illegal status in this country, I doubt that there are many if any of youthat have not

Peadawg

May 13th, 2010
9:03 am

Don’t worry Rex, she hasn’t responded to my 8:26 either.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
9:07 am

OK this is the problem, If I understand what the controversy is:

“It also makes it a state crime — a misdemeanor — to not carry immigration papers. In addition, it allows people to sue local government or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.”

If we visit another country don’t we have to show a passport to enter? What is wrong with this?

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2010
9:07 am

ct,

Google up the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act, Section 8, USC 1324. It points out the specifics of what is lawful and what is unlawful under the United States Code. Arizona law closely mirrors what is in this act and was the model upon which the law was enacted.
The laws are on the books to effectively take care of this problem…. the problem is in enforcement.

Bob

May 13th, 2010
9:07 am

How about adopting Mexico’s border policy. I have heard that if you are from a southern country such as Guatamala, and you get caught illegally in Mexico, you are not going to be protected by liberal politicians if you march down the street demanding rights and carrying the flag of your home country. In other words, if we treated illegals like Mexico treated illegals, the ACLU would have their panties in a rather large wad. But, since it’s Arizona trying to keep the illegals out, the lib groups show their colors, and they seem to be red white and green.

Joel

May 13th, 2010
9:08 am

CT- with all due respect, what is important gets done. Query as to why is there not enough votes? Why is something so important not front and center? I would assume if you were in charge you would have worked both healhcare and immigration together. Little ol’ me has said all year health care reform without immigration reform is silly at best. Would like to hear more of the differences on AZ and fed law.

Auburn Fan

May 13th, 2010
9:09 am

Has Cynthia ever changed her position due to a post on a blog? No. Liberals don’t do that.

Worthington

May 13th, 2010
9:09 am

These same attitudes towards immigrants are seen throughout U.S. history, for example- no Irish need apply, they will assimilate and add to the great melting pot. Welcome to America, just as our ancestors were welcome…Peadawg, I certainly wouldn’t want you in my home, I’m trying to raise my kids to embrace acceptance of all and for all….