Conservatives criticized DHS report that foresaw Hutaree

Last year, the Department of Homeland Security issued a report pointing to the rise of rightwing extremists who might be plotting violent acts. Conservatives threw a fit, claiming that the report was an attack on all conservatives and that it portrayed anyone who criticized Obama as an extremist.

Michelle Malkin declared:

In Obama land, there are no coincidences. It is no coincidence that this report echoes Tea Party-bashing left-wing blogs (check this one out comparing the Tea Party movement to the Weather Underground!) and demonizes the very Americans who will be protesting in the thousands on Wednesday for the nationwide Tax Day Tea Party.

In light of the attacks by anti-IRS terrorist  Joe Stack and the arrest of members of the so-called Hutaree, perhaps conservative critics of DHS will reconsider. DHS is merely trying to protect us all from extremists like this:

The court filing said the group, which called itself the Hutaree, planned to kill an unidentified law enforcement officer and then bomb the funeral caravan using improvised explosive devices based on designs used against American troops by insurgents in Iraq.

“This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society,” Andrew Arena, the F.B.I. special agent in charge in Detroit, said in a statement. “The F.B.I. takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States.”

The Hutaree — a word Mr. Stone apparently made up to mean Christian warriors — saw the local police as “foot soldiers” for the federal government, which the group viewed as its enemy, along with other participants in what the group’s members deemed to be a “New World Order” working on behalf of the Antichrist, the indictment said.

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Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2010
3:49 pm

First

I ABSOLUTELY CONDEMN VIOLENCE AND THREATS.
No matter the party, this behavior has no place in our politics.

Second

We told ya’ so.
Next time listen up.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2010
3:50 pm

Third

Did you see the Hutaree wedding picture?

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:04 pm

The Southern Poverty Law Center covers these hate groups and militia’s with vigor. They have always been on the radar for that outfit. Just too bad that things are getting so partisan that each side only makes justifications and excuses for the screwballs who are given to extreme violence. I mean just look at this group. One part of the plan was to kill cops and then kill a whole bunch more cops at the funeral for the first cop. We had a multiple police officer shooting up my way and the funeral drew like 20,000 folks from all over the country. So we are not talking small potatoes here. These guys are as bad as another terrorist out there, and they are driven by the same lunatic BS that the rest of them are driven by regardless of what Malkin wants to say about it.

DeKalb Conservative

March 30th, 2010
4:05 pm

@ Micar

Isn’t the South Poverty Law Center a hate group itself?

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:07 pm

If you mean they hate the haters your may be right. But they are not blowing anything up. They like to take their opponents down in Court, like they did to the KKK.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:09 pm

So, DeKalb, where do you stack up on these Hutaree folks anyway?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 30th, 2010
4:10 pm

Did you see the Hutaree wedding picture?

Wasn’t nothing wrong with that picture. The bride was in a nice camoflauge dress and I never seen a prettier orange than the dresses the bridesmaids were wearing.

Anyhow, them Hutarees was just a bunch of good old boys raising a little cain. They didn’t mean nothing by it. Everybody likes to get out and shoot up some woods and practice soldiering. It’s the American Way. If you don’t like something, get your guns and get out and do something about it. That ballot box takes forever to get something done.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 30th, 2010
4:11 pm

The better analogy for the Michigan militia – assuming they are guilty of the charges – would be the Earth Firsters, or the Black Panthers, or the Weather Underground. Fortunately such people could never find themselves wielding the reins of government.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2010
4:11 pm

DeKalb Conservative

No! and I’m shocked you would write such a thing.

Whatever would make you say such a terrible and untrue thing?

The Real DHS

March 30th, 2010
4:11 pm

Oh Paaaalease …………… no one “forsaw” anything. These “white supremist” groups have been out there since before the founding of this country but they pale (no pun intended) in comparison to :

1) The regular criminal element
2) The mafia
3) The drug cartels
4) Islamic terrorists
5) Gangs of all types and persuasions
6) PETA

One could even argue these were just the type of people who had the guts to run old King George off ……………… you know, lure the British to Lexington and Concord and then have at it.

Now that said, if it can be “proven” in court that they violated federal conspiracy laws, or gun laws, or tax laws or whatever ………. then may justice be done. However, once these things move along they always get a little murky regarding the “informant(s)”, who said what to who, who did what, etc., etc. Time will tell.

DeKalb Conservative

March 30th, 2010
4:11 pm

I’m going to avoid a right-versus-left wing extremist argument. Cynthia is right to pick on right wing extremists. At their core they represent anarchy. People that consider themselves on “the right” typically don’t identify with these guys, just like most people on “the left” don’t all think that Mao was a great strategist and Che a great implementer.

The common bond that they share with modern jihadists is that they are basing their action around religion. Anyone that subscribes to ideological ideas on this type of basis is dangerous because no laws, regulations, or social cultural norms will matter.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:12 pm

Anybody for bring back lobotomies for good old boys raising a little cain? It was Cain that killed Abel wasn’t it.

Honest Broker

March 30th, 2010
4:13 pm

Stark was a left wing nut case. And from reading about the Hutaree, I see nothing that makes them right-wing. So Ms. Tucker, that if one is Christian, that makes you a right-wing lunatic? Are there any left-leaning Christians?

Ryan

March 30th, 2010
4:15 pm

And Hutatree has what to do with the conservative party? Does anti government = conservative?

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:15 pm

Me thinks those you refer to as left leaning Christians are those that really believe the part about turning swords into plow shears.

The Real DHS

March 30th, 2010
4:17 pm

“Former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, reacting to the murder of a well-known Arizona rancher by an assailant authorities believe was an illegal immigrant, said violence on the border has spiraled out of control and the federal government seems powerless to stop it.”

This is what DHS needs to be spending its time on ………….. but that might curtail future democrat voters.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:17 pm

Anti government = Conservative. You bet. Ronald Reagan’s famous one liner. The 9 words I most fear are “I am from the government and I am here to help.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:19 pm

The Real DHS; make that argument to the widows and kids of the cops these guys were after.

The Real DHS

March 30th, 2010
4:19 pm

BTW: Did anyone see this from old Boortz today?

“Did you hear the latest about those evil, gun-clinging Americans carrying concealed weapons? Turns out that Americans are far less likely to be killed by a firearm than they were when it was far more difficult to get a concealed-weapons permit. An MSNBC article explains:

‘In the 1980s and ’90s, as the concealed-carry movement gained steam, Americans were killed by others with guns at the rate of about 5.66 per 100,000 population. In this decade, the rate has fallen to just over 4.07 per 100,000, a 28 percent drop. The decline follows a fivefold increase in the number of “shall-issue” and unrestricted concealed-carry states from 1986 to 2006.’

Ironically … the liberal bastion for the nation’s strictest gun control laws – Washington DC – has the highest gun homicide rate in the country. It is five times the general rate compared to the rest of the country. The lowest homicide rate is in Utah and you guess it … most residents in Utah can get a permit to carry a gun without even visiting the state.”

DeKalb Conservative

March 30th, 2010
4:20 pm

@ Honest Broker

The Nazi party were left leaning & Christian. Only thing that separated them from Stalin is Germany was nationalistic where Russia was thinking more globally.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 30th, 2010
4:21 pm

And we should give credit where it is due – the last time a leftist extremist ran the department of justice 80 people died when the government moved in on a cult that was minding its own business, so by any measure this action reflects progress among those in charge.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 30th, 2010
4:22 pm

I don’t have any real problem prosecuting thought crimes, so long as the evidence is there.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2010
4:23 pm

Ryan

They must be conservatives.

Ann Coulter says liberals are Godless.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:24 pm

Now now, the Nazi’s were fascist. At least that’s what they claimed. They hated communism to their very core. Fascism is the confluence of the State and Corporate interests into one cohesive body. If religion has anything to do with it at all, it is limited to giving cover to the fascist leadership.

DeKalb Conservative

March 30th, 2010
4:25 pm

@Micar @Granny Godzilla

While SPLC was started with good intentions, in today’s society it doesn’t hold merit. If anything it is repressing advancement by being at the forefront modern segregation. Intentions can be good, but there can be negative consequences.

The Real DHS

March 30th, 2010
4:25 pm

Micar:

I was a law enforcement officer and my son is now.

Read what I said. If these guys broke the law ………. they should go to jail. That said, there is a pecking order of dangerous criminality in this country (and what you should really worry about) and they are far down on that list.

It’s a matter of priorities.

I guarantee you that since “sis” in DHS took that whipping on that report awhile back, the word has gone out to find some white supremist group to make a big deal of. That’s just they way it works.

Heck, the Hell’s Angels or the Pagans are more dangerous than these nuts.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 30th, 2010
4:25 pm

Dear Micar, sorta like the government running Citicorp and GM?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 30th, 2010
4:28 pm

Dear Real DHS @ 4:25, your post sounds too likely, makes too much sense. I yield the balance of my verbosity to you.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:28 pm

Come on DHS, I can’t believe if you are former law enforcement and your son is now that you would not but these guys at the top of any list you want to talk about. It is not like every cop in the country was put on this bust. I am sure those minding the border stayed put.

The Real DHS

March 30th, 2010
4:29 pm

Headline: “Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family.”

On my goodness, leftist supremists are on the loose !!

DeKalb Conservative

March 30th, 2010
4:29 pm

@ Micar

Okay. Explain this connection then. The Nazi’s where for a strong Germany and cared about society of those that were German born. The Russians thought more global. Take the hatred of ethnic groups out of it and your left with two Marxist cultures.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

That’s the beauty of the internet, you an assume any persona you want to try and bolster your point. I have never known any cop who would not put cop killers at the top of any bad guy list.

The Real DHS

March 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

Ragnar Danneskjöld: Why thank you sir.

Micar: Try living in the real world for awhile. You’ll learn a lot.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2010
4:35 pm

Ragnar

Nazis were left leaning?

Now that’s really funny.

At least you can be counted on to toe your party’s line.

Simon Weinsenthal still says Nazi’s are right wing, I suspect he know that better than you.

The Real DHS

March 30th, 2010
4:35 pm

Micar:

Everyone of those on my top five list would probably kill a law enforcement officer in a heartbeat before these guys would. Most of these types are all talk, especially when they get liquored up real good and the “informant” tape is running and he is “egging” them on.

Like I said, you need to work in the real world where you have to deal with the criminal element. A sixteen year old “gang banger” on a routine traffic stop can be just a dangerous. Do you get excited about that everyday? No, and judges turn them back out on the street before the officer can get his paperwork done.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:36 pm

Thinking locally? That must be why Hitler invaded all those countries from 36 to 39. And then signed all those treaties with the Axis powers – Japan and Italy and all those folks. Now Japan was being mighty local in Asia if you take away China, Korea and Vietnam from the equation. Italy was being local if you take Ethiopia out of the equation. Germany had – what did they call it – The Blietzkrieg when it came to advancing on all those local towns and cities that they took over. Now where was Stalin invading during all this localism being followed by the Nazi’s

Micar

March 30th, 2010
4:38 pm

The Real DHS – I do work in the real world, thank you.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2010
4:38 pm

DK

Bull dookey.

Oh and Real DHS..the whole story….

that loon also posted videos threatening President Obama.

I think “centrist” extremist would be more accurate.

jimbo

March 30th, 2010
4:39 pm

Ms. Tucker,

I just watched the gentleman whose finger was bitten off by a moveon.orger be interviewed by Neil Cavuto. This was on your favorite channel. He was polite and well spoken. Not once, did he use infalammatory language in the interview. I think both he and the black conservative who was beaten by the SEIU goon must be confused by your notion most hateful rhetoric and violent actions come from the right.

You condemn the right as extreme and narrow minded, yet you label your opponents as racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic and hypocritical. You never seem to apply these terms to the left. You must admit Jim Wooten almost never engages in such name calling. Can your arguments not stand on their own merits?

dougmo2

March 30th, 2010
4:46 pm

Granny, “Nazi” stands for National SOCIALIST. History 101 in college, deal with it.

DeKalb Conservative

March 30th, 2010
4:49 pm

@ Micar @Granny Godzilla

Left leaning. Total government control, state-ism.

Germany invaded those countries because Germany thought it was retaking historic land. Kinda like Mexico invaded the U.S. a century ago to do. Localism applied to Germany only and Germany historic lands.

Need another example, try Mao. The lefts love this guy. Power at the barrel of gun, government control of the people, government control of the economy, killed whomever he wanted. Don’t hear Mao thrown around a lot as a right winger. Weird, when you break down the beliefs / actions Mao and a certain German guy sure sound like they’d get along well.

Dee keith

March 30th, 2010
5:09 pm

Not surprising conservative/ignorant isn’t living up to the party of personal responsibility. I have said in the past if conservative/ignorant are put in the position of having to take responsibility for their actions, it’s usually via the we’re all in this together card, or the apples and oranges card, and what we are witnessing now is the apples and oranges card, by trying to compare these militia groups to leftwing groups. I also find it laughable that some in this forum are trying to make a distinction between a regular anti gov. group, and a christian anti gov. group, NEWSFLASH!, they are still anti gov. That’s like saying their is a difference between Al Qaeda in Pakistan, and Al Qaeda in Iraq. When the DHS report warned about this months ago you had prominent conservatives who chose to misrepresent the reports findings as an attack on TRADITIONAL CONSERVATISM, and now these very same conservatives are trying to distance themselves from these extremist, because they realize the dangers they present.

Moderate Line

March 30th, 2010
5:32 pm

Norman Leboon, 33, posted a YouTube video last week in which he threatened to shoot Cantor, the second-ranking Republican in the House, and his family.

Leboon gave $505 to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign in 2008, according to Federal Election Commission records. The campaign plans to donate that amount to charity, according to DNC spokesman Hari Sevugan.

The above should be in quotes since it was taken from the Washington Post.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
5:41 pm

Dougmo2; Funny what you can do with words. National Socialist Third Reich = Nazi
The Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea – communist dictatorship
United States of America = Red State – Blue State – conservative – liberal – partisan to a fault.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
5:48 pm

Sorry DeKalb, your localism line just ain’t catching it. The Aryans’ thought they were the Master Race. Now those kind of folks don’t stay local. They were into world conquest. Hitler did invade Russia did he not even though he had a treaty of non-aggression. What historical interest did Germany have in Moscow. Read some stuff, it may help. I would start with the book “Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler” by Robert Gellately. Really the guy does a nice job on these guys. Seems like if Hitler and Stalin were in the same room you could have expected a knife fight to break out right there on the spot.

Micar

March 30th, 2010
5:59 pm

Just in case you get a chance to take a peek at that book by Gellatgely, check out page 291-292 to see what Hitler’s plans on “Ruthless Germanization” were all about.

neo-Carlinist

March 30th, 2010
6:04 pm

Real DHS (4:11 PM), please explain the difference between an “Islamic terrorist” and a Christian terrorist? Or, are you suggesting that al Qeada is an Islamic Militia. The people arrested in OH, IN and MI were arrested for planning a terrorist act. Interesting how all the “war on terrorism” folks haven’t made an issue of the fact that these terrorist were “Mirandized” and will be afforded “due process” (as were the Fort Dix conspirators). On a lighter note, these guys look more like a paintball team than a “militia”. I am agnostic, so I really don’t have much interest and any well-armed zealot who cites some 2000 year-old book as justification for violence. in fact, these people are not terrorists, they’re cowards. They hide behind the Bible and they hide behind the law (2nd Amendment) when it suits their pathetic cause.

abe lincoln was a republican

March 30th, 2010
6:26 pm

i could’ve sworn i saw where there were ‘Black Panthers’ at a polling place trying to intimidate voters this past election. seems to me i saw liberals throwing things at the Pittsburgh Summit last year also.. it also seems to me that Al Sharpton’s group has been at the center of controversy too..

but, maybe i’m wrong on these…

Jess

March 30th, 2010
6:37 pm

Apparently I’m a little behind times. I was not even aware that these people had been tried and convicted. My bad.

Last I heard they had killed no one, injured no one, nor had they called anybody an ugly name.

Surprized Cynthia didn’t brand them “tea baggers”.

kayaker 71

March 30th, 2010
6:38 pm

Cynthia,

Your misinformed attempt to identify the Tea Bagger movement to some right wing nut job is a hellova stretch at best. The redneck revolution is not, and never will be, identified with responsible citizenry. You know this. You are fanning the fires of discontent and it does not reflect well on you or your opinion. The people that show up at these Tea Bagger rallies are genuine in their beliefs and are exercising their rights as citizens to protest a government that they have issues with. When have you seen any of these people try to kill a policeman. Come on Cynthia, your slip is still showing.