Catholic nuns oppose bishops, support health care reform

You gotta love those nuns. Yesterday, a coalition representing 59,000 sisters from Catholic religious orders sent a statement in support of health care reform to Capitol Hill. The letter was in direct opposition to the U.S. Conference of Bishops, which has insisted that the Senate bill currently being considered will use federal funds to pay for abortions.

That’s nonsense, of course. And the nuns say so:

We have witnessed firsthand the impact of our national health care crisis, particularly its impact on women, children and people who are poor. We see the toll on families who have delayed seeking care due to a lack of health insurance coverage or lack of funds with which to pay high deductibles and co-pays. We have counseled and prayed with men, women and children who have been denied health care coverage by insurance companies. We have witnessed early and avoidable deaths because of delayed medical treatment.

The health care bill that has been passed by the Senate and that will be voted on by the House will expand coverage to over 30 million uninsured Americans. While it is an imperfect measure, it is a crucial next step in realizing health care for all. It will invest in preventative care. It will bar insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. It will make crucial investments in community health centers that largely serve poor women and children. And despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions. It will uphold longstanding conscience protections and it will make historic new investments – $250 million – in support of pregnant women. This is the REAL pro-life stance, and we as Catholics are all for it.

Oh, oh. This sounds suspiciously like social justice. Don’t tell Glenn Beck.

202 comments Add your comment

LibraryJim

March 18th, 2010
11:36 am

Unfortunately, the SENATE BILL, which looks to be the one target for implementation (I won’t say voting) will do none of what the good sisters state in their letter. And that’s not Republican Talking points, that’s reality.

LibraryJim

March 18th, 2010
11:37 am

sorry, “targeted” not “target”.

Rosemary McHugh, M.D.

March 18th, 2010
11:41 am

Congratulations to the nuns! I am a family physician and a Catholic. Our patients need to have healthcare as a right and not only as a privilege. Health insurers have rationed care ever since they have become for-profit. How can we continue to allow insurers to make profits by denial of care? It is unethical. Sadly, the bishops are out of touch, I believe. They are on the side of corporate America it seems and do not understand the real needs of the people. We need social justice for our fellow Americans and President Obama is finally giving us doctors and patients our voices to speak out!

ctucker

March 18th, 2010
11:42 am

Amen, Rosemary!

Csquared

March 18th, 2010
11:44 am

I’d believe a Nun over a Bishop anyday. Haven’t heard of any NUNS abusing their roles as leaders IE sex scandals.

Tax Target

March 18th, 2010
11:58 am

Of more importance than what nuns say or support is what the President said – “I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or Senate,”…

Does the above not frighten the bejesus out of fellow Americans, and run counter to the following oath of office???

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

As we’re aware, to the WH and Dems the passage of health care reform stopped being about health care reform some time ago!!!

LibraryJim

March 18th, 2010
12:02 pm

By the way, did you read that Walgreen’s is now announcing they will not accept any new medicare payments for their customers? They say that they are losing too much money on the system, and reimbursements are almost non-existent or very long in coming, and then not 100%.

From the Seattle Times:

Effective April 16, Walgreen’s drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition, the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.

The company, which operates 121 stores in the state [of Washington], will continue filling Medicaid prescriptions for current patients.

In a news release, Walgreen’s said its decision to not take new Medicaid patients stemmed from a “continued reduction in reimbursement” under the state’s Medicaid program, which reimburses it at less than the break-even point for 95 percent of brand-name medications dispensed to Medicaid patents.

LibraryJim

March 18th, 2010
12:03 pm

sheesh, I can’t type today, they are not accepting MEDICAID not Medicare.

I’m going to lunch.

ctucker

March 18th, 2010
12:05 pm

Tax Target, I’m assuming you’ve heard of separation of powers. There is nothing the president can do about the procedural rules of the Senate and the House.

Kamchak

March 18th, 2010
12:05 pm

Does the above not frighten the bejesus out of fellow Americans, and run counter to the following oath of office???

Only to those that have succumbed to the politics of fear.

Whacks Eloquent

March 18th, 2010
12:13 pm

In equally important news, a coalition representing Starbucks baristas has come out in support of the health care plan, while a major tire wholesaler consortium is on record as being against it…

Reality

March 18th, 2010
12:14 pm

Something must be done to stop these radical left wing nuns! They are getting too liberal with their evil hoods and all. How dare these nuns! Next thing you know, nuns will be singing songs to influence our youth!!!!

Csquared

March 18th, 2010
12:15 pm

i’m more afraid that folk will start believing everything they hear on Fox News….

Whacks Eloquent

March 18th, 2010
12:24 pm

If nothing else, this shows just how divisive this current plan truly is. Catholic politics are usually pretty cohesive, and lean toward the left unless the A-word is mentioned.

Funny how this time it is not a Republican effort that is potentially being derailed by abortion. It is quite simply the most divisive issue we have in our nation, more than any liberal vs. conservative issue. It is nearly impossible to take a middle ground position, and because it is so tied to religious views people get very emotional about it. I guarantee that if they had not included any language about abortion in these bills, we’d have an agreement by now. Would have been smarter to stick with the status quo and then deal with it separately. Roe v. Wade will not be overturned, so all that can really be done to affect it is funding nuances.

Sick&Tired

March 18th, 2010
12:39 pm

Why doesn’t Walgreen believe that their services and cost of prescription drugs are over priced? I always get my drugs out of my healthcare provider on-site pharmacy, because places like Walgreens want me to pay extra for the same drugs. Why would I let those fool make an additional profit off of me, when I’m paying my health insurance company already? This issue is bigger than Medicaid or Medicate.

Road Scholar

March 18th, 2010
12:45 pm

Sorry to be off topic, but why is jihad jane not being tried in a military court? There, that should send the conserves into a tizzy!

Good for the nuns and the US of A.

Sick&Tired

March 18th, 2010
12:52 pm

There wouldn’t be an agreement with or without abortion; the republicans have been dead set against healthcare reform for 30 years. Long before they started asking for the tort requirements, prescription drug cost, etc….. or since they have decided it’s okay to expand medicare to the low-income earners. They could have offered healthcare reform in their platform (2000 – 2008), but it was never anything they wanted to do. It could have been apart of the presciption drug plan during the Bush legacy, but in their opinion there isn’t a real issue with the way healthcare is administered in this country.

The GOP solution to the problem is to stop sueing the good doctors, get a better education and job; so that you can pay or continue to pay higher premiums. They don’t care if they drop me or my child, because the insurance company is in business to make a profit.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 18th, 2010
1:03 pm

Dear CT @ 12:05, I think you err. The executive has an obligation to honor the Constitution, and unconstitutional acts by the legislative branch appropriately merit contempt. Of course, if one is not guided by “right and wrong” and otherwise accepts that “the means justifies the ends,” then the Constitutional duty has no real application.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 18th, 2010
1:03 pm

sorry, typo, “ends justifies the means.”

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2010
1:04 pm

I’m so proud to see the BVM’s have signed the letter.

They taught me to love to keep learning.

Very smart bunch of gals.

ctucker

March 18th, 2010
1:11 pm

Ragnar, I believe you and the President, a constitutional scholar, have a very different reading of the constitution.

Turd Ferguson (Cynthia Tuckers Original # 1 fan)

March 18th, 2010
1:20 pm

“Pregnant Nuns Approve Obamas HealthCare”

Now there is headline for ya.

LibraryJim

March 18th, 2010
1:26 pm

Frankly, I think the President, a supposed-Constitutional Scholar, has a different reading of the Constitution than most Americans. After all, he’s called it a flawed-document; criticized it for hindering the Federal Courts from imposing stricter reparations; and accused it of containing only “negative” rights. Now he says he doesn’t care if a branch of the US Government, which derives their rules from the Constitution, follows it or not.

That should be enough to scare anyone who believes the Constitution should be followed and upheld by those who have sworn so to do.

Vinny

March 18th, 2010
1:33 pm

So impose this monstrosity on the Nuns, and leave the Bishops (and the rest of us) alone! If they want it so bad, they can pay the taxes to implement it to their sect.

ATLshirt.com

March 18th, 2010
1:45 pm

So, I got sick with a kidney stone this weekend.. had no idea what it was, I woke up at 4am in pain…called 911 for an ambulance, the ambulance arrived and took me to the nearest hospital, where they did scans to determine that I in fact have several kidney stones. They released me with a pain prescription, I also had to pay $150.00 as my co-pay because I have insurance. The ER reffered me to a specialist whom I visited yesterday, they took my $50.00 co-pay before allowing me to visit the specialist, where the specialist says, you have kidney stones, drink plenty of water… REALLY ??? I paid $50.00 for him to tell me that ??? I think we need to focus more on these doctors who are all only interested in getting your money, rather than treating or preventing illnesses.. So, after spending a total of $200.00, I still have kidney stones and no idea what is causing them, I was just told to drink water…

I wonder, can we all file a class action lawsuit against the coffee makers, soda makers, tea makers etc, who create beverages that are unhealthy for us ??? Maybe we should attack the FDA for approving these beverages to be sold on our markets, since they are so harmful to our health ???

Turd Ferguson (Cynthia Tuckers Original # 1 fan)

March 18th, 2010
1:51 pm

“I paid $50.00 for him to tell me that ???”

Yes and no. You paid $50 for his diagnosis. Its as likely it was a kidney stone as it couldve been your appendix, constipation or some other type infection.

You didnt have to call an ambulance or go to doc at all. Kidney stones usually will pass thru the urethra, somewhat painful I am told, however, you monies were spent on the diagnosis and your pain couldve been caused from something much worse.

Consider yourself lucky.

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2010
1:59 pm

atlshirt.com

sorry to hear of your discomfort….Mr. G has had problems over the years with kidney stones.

i read somewhere that in the areas surrounding the Appalachian mountains (that includes us) the runoff water contains some minerals in concentrations that cause our locality to have a higher % of men and women with these nasty little buggers.

try a heating pad on your lower back, and my late granny would have suggested lot’s of dark beer.

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2010
2:01 pm

turd

hi dude….

once they have the first kidney stone, they’ll know the next time it happens.

atlshirt.com

did i mention if it happens once it’s likely to happen again….

Tommy Lee Maddox

March 18th, 2010
2:01 pm

Nuns don’t have babies [at least the ones who do not engage in intercourse].

Why they take a position contrary to the rights of the un-born?

Sick&Tired

March 18th, 2010
2:02 pm

“You didnt have to call an ambulance or go to doc at all. ”

Turd, since you can stand the pain. Would it be okay if I call you the next time I am in pain? I would like for you to feel it for me. And I won’t charge you a dime.

TnGelding

March 18th, 2010
2:02 pm

Too bad the nuns aren’t running the Church. We’re all going to die. More die because they have insurance than because they don’t, because 90% of us are insured; about half by government run or financed programs.

The Tar and Feathers Party

March 18th, 2010
2:04 pm

The disgrace of the Catholic Church is that the nuns have no pensions and no health care, while the priests have both. Today, we have old nuns caring for even older nuns in convents. Nuns do not contribute to social security, nor do they usually get a ss pension. I am not a fan of nuns, but they have certainly been cheated by the Church.

Tommy Lee Maddox

March 18th, 2010
2:06 pm

Oh and Cynthia, we think the President is rolling the Constitution, neither reading nor interpreting it.

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2010
2:06 pm

Tommy Lee

Neither do men.

TnGelding

March 18th, 2010
2:07 pm

Tommy Lee Maddox

March 18th, 2010
2:06 pm

The more things change…

TnGelding

March 18th, 2010
2:08 pm

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2010
2:01 pm

Flush!

Turd Ferguson (Cynthia Tuckers Original # 1 fan)

March 18th, 2010
2:15 pm

“did i mention if it happens once it’s likely to happen again….”

YA…so remember that ATLshirt…and good luck ;)

TINSTAAFL

March 18th, 2010
2:21 pm

CT: “Tax Target, I’m assuming you’ve heard of separation of powers. There is nothing the president can do about the procedural rules of the Senate and the House.”

Ehhhhhhh…no. While our branches are separate, they still have the ability to stop others if they go on a power grab or do something improper. The president does have the ability to veto a piece of legislation that was unconstitutionally sent to his desk. Ever heard of checks and balances?

East Alabamian

March 18th, 2010
2:23 pm

To Atlshirt.com,
You received appropriate treatment. The way to “treat” kidney stones is to wait for you to get rid of them yourself with urinating them out. The MD’s could have prescribed pain meds to help with the symptoms. In the event you can’t get them out you would move on to either having the stones crushed with soundwaves. If that doesn’t work you would have a cystoscopy to look up your urethra into your bladder to see if anyhting is defective. They can then stent it. You still have to wait and pee them out. The emergency department saved you money by using the least invasive treatment possible. They should have given you a strainer to collect them. Testing the rocks is the way to give a basic idea as to cause (mainly dietary or genetic, i.e. you just get them). As for the doc who is all for healthcare as a right, I’ll start coming to see you for free and you can find someone else to pay for the care you give me. As a nurse, I am completely against this version of healthcare reform. No one has a right to my time, knowledge and skills unless they pay me or whom I represent for it.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

March 18th, 2010
2:33 pm

Those nuns need to stick to teaching school and leave healthcare to the insurance companies.

M Percy

March 18th, 2010
2:33 pm

After the Cornhusker kickback, the Louisiana purchase, the Florida exemption, and other untold pork to eek a bill through the Senate, we’ve had a series of vote-buying events in the House including a Federal judgeship for a congressman’s brother (Congressman Jim Matheson), arm-twisting rides on AF1 (Dennis Kucinich), and now we have a new “Watergate”.

It seems that two undecided California reps are now going to vote yes after the Administration has reversed its own policy regarding water rights in the Central Valley in California. Dennis Cardoza and Jim Costa, who represent the region are now voting yes after the Dept. of the Interior announced today (ahead of schedule) that water allocations in the region would be increased helping to support local agriculture jobs that depend on irrigation.

The White House had summoned both to meetings recently to try to talk them into supporting the bill. During his time with Obama: “Costa said Friday that he used some of his time with President Barack Obama to urge more consideration for the Valley’s water and employment needs. Obama said he understood, Costa reported.” Although he also stressed that “I want to see the bill in print, what we’re actually voting on,” before making a decision.

Yeah, Obama understood. Here’s your water, now gimme my vote.

So much for ethics and transparency. Has there ever been a more corrosive, corrupting bill? This is making Huey Long look like piker.

P.S. After a good ratio last time I checked in, I see Ms. Tucker has fallen back on her need to use so many more borrowed words than her own writing, producing a scant 78 words of her own compared to the 220 words she borrowed. She’ll never get another Pulitzer this way.

South Fulton

March 18th, 2010
2:36 pm

LibraryJim…You should check that again. Walgreen has a problem with Washington State. These reimbursements come from each state and not the federal government. The feds give the money to the states to handle medicare.

Hmmmmmmm

March 18th, 2010
2:37 pm

Rosemary and CT, let’s put this into perspective…… This was aired on CBS, so CT and the rest of you leftist idiots can’t blame this on Fox News….

MR PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM
AND JOIN THE NEW ‘UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM’ THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????”

THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!!

IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS.”WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT.”

AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE “KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL” WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !

SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I… IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS…??

WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!!

PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE… NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS…. WHILE THE WASHINGTON “ELITE” KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.

WHAT???

The Republic has a CONSTITUTION???

Amendment 28

Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .

I’m very curious, Rosemary and CT how something that will be so GOOD for the American public is rejected by the imbeciles that wrote it….. Good Grief People WAKE UP! Let’s take our country back from the swine that is Washington!

retiredds

March 18th, 2010
2:37 pm

Cynthia and others who quote the Constitution in this blog, correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that there is a body called the Supreme Court which rules on the constitutionality of our laws. If a President and/or the Congress submit and pass legislation that some deem unconstitutional then a challenge will ensue and work its way up to the SC. This process is why the Founders set it up to have “checks and balances” between the three branches of government. I believe that some of the Bush-era interpretations on where terrorists could be tried was declared unconstitutional. I trust that the same process would work in the case of an Obama misreading.

And by the way, Obama’s staying out of the procedural process of the Congress does honor the separation of powers and checks and balances as mentioned above. Also that would just be micro-managing the process. President Obama does not appear to be a micro-manager and George Bush, for certain, was not a micro-manager. So why should this president be called upon to be a micro-manager by some. Sounds like duplicity to me.

M Percy

March 18th, 2010
2:38 pm

Ms. Tucker: “There is nothing the president can do about the procedural rules of the Senate and the House.”

100% true. He could stand up and say publicly and with conviction (and follow through if necessary) something along the lines of “I’ve said before that the American people expect and deserve an up-or-down vote on this issue. If the House insists on using this procedural sleight-of-hand, I will be forced, in good conscience, to veto the bill and send it back to Congress until they can pass it the right way.”

I won’t hold my breath though.

Beaves

March 18th, 2010
2:38 pm

The reality is this sham bill that the dimacrats have WILL use tax dollars to fund abortions. Gee if did not how come the blue dogs what that wording removed?
Rosemary McHugh MD
, Please show me where in our constitution that it says healthcare is a right? If that is a right then I would like to define some more rights for people, why not the liberals do. I believe it is everybody’s right not to work and live in a mansion with servants. That holds just as much weight and healthcare “right “does, so why not define it as a right?

Spaceman

March 18th, 2010
2:48 pm

Send In The Nuns!!!!!!!!!

joan

March 18th, 2010
2:48 pm

What do the nuns care? They don’t pay taxes. And of course, in endorsing this abortion of a bill, they are simply bowing to the secular trend in a country rapidly becoming Godless. America is sinking, and this healthcare bill will be the nail in the coffin–or maybe the iceberg that tore the hull.

Hmmmmmmm

March 18th, 2010
2:49 pm

Sorry, that was ABC….. which is equally surprising…… Beaves, Rosemary probably has a good heart, CT on the other hand is just a puppet…. Doing a puppets dance……

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2010
2:49 pm

Beaves

you posted, “Please show me where in our constitution that it says healthcare is a right? ”

It does not. Don’t you already know that?

NOW, Beaves show me where we had a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness before somebody picked up a quill?

AND show me where we had the rights of free speech, assembly, to bear arms, freedom of religion – before somebody picked up a quill?

AND show me where black americans had the right to be 100% human not 5/8’s before somebody picked up a quill?

AND show me where black americans and women had the right to vote before somebody picked up an ink pen?

We are picking up the pen right now.

If you want the right to not work and live in a mansion, cool,
you get yourself a grass roots movement, spent a couple decades working on it…and when you get to the point you have a couple of million supporters….I’ll give your ideas a fair shake.