Scott Brown voted for universal health care

Republicans are awfully good at telling a story to voters, even if it has nothing to do with reality. Brown’s campaign against Obama’s planned health care reform plan helped him win a Massachusets Senate seat that had been held by a Democrat for decades.

But a GOP governor, Mitt Romney, pushed through a universal health care bill in Massachusetts, and Brown voted for it. Now, both men are vehemently opposed to the universal health care plan Democrats are trying to pass through Congress, even though the Senate bill is very similar to the Massachusetts plan.

Mr. Brown, as a state senator, voted in favor of the Massachusetts universal health care law in 2006, when the state became the first in the nation to pass a far-reaching overhaul guaranteeing coverage for nearly every state resident and requiring everyone in Massachusetts to obtain insurance.

Mr. Brown, in campaigning against the health care legislation emerging in Washington, has sought to portray it as fundamentally different from the Massachusetts plan. But Massachusetts was actually an important model for what Congress has developed, arguably the model for what Congress envisions.

The federal law, like the one in Massachusetts, is built around a system of government-subsidized, private insurance coverage with subsidies on a sliding-scale based on income. The federal law, however, also includes a number national steps aimed at controlling health care costs, and new taxes and fees aimed at paying for the legislation. Massachusetts has continued to struggle with its costs.

The health care program in Massachusetts is quite popular among its voters, by the way. According to a September poll, 59 percent of Mass. voters are satisfied with their universal health care program.

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Turd Ferguson

January 20th, 2010
1:19 pm

Csquared

January 20th, 2010
12:42 pm

Some of us prefer the system just as it is!

CINDY STINKS

January 20th, 2010
1:19 pm

I have a suggestion for the AJC: to help keep the discussion civil, why not set up a separate, but equal, bashers blog, where anything goes. Make it clear to all who enter that this basher blog is for people who would otherwise ruin the discussion of more serious blogs, and not to enter the basher’s blog unless you accept that name calling, cussing, race based names, sexual and other comments would be a part of the discussion. Then, when someone behaves badly on the serious blog, you can exile them to the bashers blog, a sort of time out with their own kind. No one would monitor the bashers blog, and no complaints would be accepted. You can even put it on a separate server unrelated to the ajc in any way, a basher server.

Turd Ferguson

January 20th, 2010
1:23 pm

Bashers blog. That sounds like fun!

Peadawg

January 20th, 2010
1:30 pm

So, finally Cynthia is responding to some readers’ questions…Let’s see how long this lasts.

Aquagirl

January 20th, 2010
1:30 pm

I’d also like to know where all these sanctimonious Republicans were when Bush gave us Medicare part D. Oh, wait, they were RIGHT THERE, voting for a huge expansion of federal healthcare. That boondoggle had no dedicated financing or new sources of revenue, so 100% was added to the deficit.

What a bunch of utter, complete hypocrites.

Csquared

January 20th, 2010
1:31 pm

It’s interesting when a question i ask gets me labeled as being on the left.
I haven’t been asleep, but it gets tedious when everything is being said at a scream. tuned that crap out last year.
I like the idea of the basher blog, since civilized people will avoid it and the rest of us can have an adult conversation.
No name calling, a civilized discourse where you’re required to have at least READ the material. rather than providing yet another rant from the Fox News channel.
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EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

January 20th, 2010
1:32 pm

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE AND I SAY AGAIN PLEASE VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE NEXT ELECTION SO THAT THEY CAN FINALLY SEND AMERICA TO HELL,WHERE THE GOP WANTS IT TO BE! DONT HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE,BUT THE REPUBLICANS BELIEVE IN UNLIMITED AMOUNTS OF MONEY BEING INVESTED INTO BOMBS AND MISSILES! NO ABORTIONS,BUT BOMB AND KILL THE BABIES ONCE THEY GET HERE? THATS THE GOP LOGIC!

Peadawg

January 20th, 2010
1:32 pm

So Cynthia, if Scott realized he is wrong on the universal health care and now decides he’s against it, how does that make him a hypocrite? (let’s see if this gets answered)

RAMBLE ON!!!

January 20th, 2010
1:35 pm

It’s too bad Teddy wasn’t alive and sober to see this. He really deserved to.

Maybe Robert (yes I was in the Klan) Byrd, can tell him when he gets down there.

…pity, pity, pity.

Davo

January 20th, 2010
1:42 pm

Brown’s victory speech
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/browns_victory.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed4

“I go to Washington as the representative of no faction or interest, answering only to my conscience and to the people. I’ve got a lot to learn in the Senate, but I know who I am and I know who I serve.”

I read through it and found one reference to ‘Republican’, none for GOP. But CT would have you believe that this was a republican victory, you know, the usual bad guys. In her world there are no independents, unless you count those filthy tea-baggers. Guess what CT, your about to get an education. All that hostility you have for freedom loving CITIZENS is about to blowback in your face.

“I am, however, interested in keeping the discussion on my blog civil and on-topic”. Ya CT, that’s why you use the vulgar term ‘tea-baggers’. Anybody not know what this is a definition for? Want me to fill you in on what CT compares liberty-minded individuals to? She likens them to people who suck on others testes. How about that…pretty classy, huh.

Aquagirl

January 20th, 2010
1:57 pm

pea@ 1:32, I guess it’s better to opt for “Scott Brown is stupid” than “Scott Brown is a hypocrite.”

Either way, what a great deal for Massachusetts, and by default, the rest of us.

Bradley G

January 20th, 2010
2:10 pm

Thanks for the sincere reply. Whether you or I like it or not, this election does put the momentum on the side of the reps. The interesting thing to watch will be to see what the dems do from this point forward. If status quo is the answer, the reps will win big in November.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

January 20th, 2010
2:13 pm

CYNTHIA TRYING TO TALK LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE WITH THE REPUBLICANS ARE LIKE TALKING SENSE TO THE HITLER NAZIS FOLLOWERS!

smart black guy

January 20th, 2010
2:17 pm

the hitler nazi followers are the ones who voted for Obummer !!

Mel

January 20th, 2010
2:25 pm

Smart blackguy, sounds really stupid!

Mel

January 20th, 2010
2:56 pm

Davo, I guess you don’t get it…the people have spoken…I believed it happened 11-2008. Mass. does not speak for me or anyone else.

El Jefe

January 20th, 2010
3:26 pm

So Brown voted for the Massachusetts Health care bill, he might have been optimistic on its impact, but saw what a pig it was and did not support the Obummer health care “reform” – gee, that sounds like a plus for Brown.

Ridgerunner

January 20th, 2010
3:42 pm

Ms. Tucker:

That’s a great idea @ 12:56. Reasoned debate is always preferrable to immature vitriol. Bookmans’s daily threads are just about out of control.

Now that said, in my opinion what the majority voters of Massachusetts really said is that they are tired of and even fearful of a Federal government out of control. It’s just that simple.

CINDY STINKS

January 20th, 2010
3:51 pm

Will you people stop comparing Nazi’s to Repukes and Dummycrats, you are giving the Nazi’s a bad name.

FreedomGal76

January 20th, 2010
4:10 pm

Cynthia ~ I have been on a lot of sites and I congratulate you for returning comments; courageous and commendable.

The health care bill is just too much for those of us on the other side of the debate. It comes at a bad time, it has too many deals, it’s too pricey and contains things that are not necessary to “fix” what I feel isn’t broken. Anyone can enter a hospital and receive treatment. What’s bankrupting our hospitals are the illegals. And the illegals have illegitimate voting rights because of the MotorVoter bill Obama set into place… It doesn’t take much common sense to realize a train wreck waiting to happen.

We learn from our mistakes. All of us do. I have faith that Scott Brown is not one just making election promises he can’t back up. If this is the only “mark” on his record – I take his over Coakley’s any day of the week.

We see this. We feel capital hill is patronizing us and adding insult to injury by being all the more arrogant about it.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment.

Tommy Maddox

January 20th, 2010
4:31 pm

MMMM, MMMMM, MMMMM;

The Republican did it first.

MMMMM, MMMM; MMMM;

The Republican’s a hypocrite;

MMMM, MMMM, MMMM;

The Republican’s a teabagger…

On and on – the song remains the same – but the political landscape is changing underneath the folks who are singing.

ctucker

January 20th, 2010
4:57 pm

FreedomGal76, I share your concerns about the spiraling costs of health care; that’s one of the reasons health care reform is a good idea. Yes, everyone can get emergency care in an emergency room, but that’s the most expensive care imaginable. It would be much cheaper for people to go to doctors before they were deathly ill and stay out of emergency rooms — which are quite expensive to operate. As for illegal immigrants, they do drive up the costs of health care in some places, including Atlanta’s Grady Memorial Hospital. But they are a fraction of the problem of spiraling costs.

Scott

January 20th, 2010
5:32 pm

Cynthia, Now that you are responding to readers(which has increased my respect for you a little bit) will you please comment on whether you think that the bribery(Call it what it is) to get the votes from Nebraska and La is appropriate? How is it any different from what Madoff did? Don’t you think that it is unfair for Congress to buy the votes with taxpayer money….with MY money? Also, don’t you think it is unfair that if somebody that is part of a union that voted for Obama gets a tax break on a Cadillac plan while another person who gets the same plan but is not part of a union pretty much has to pick up the tab for that other guy? How is that fair? Same plans, but the only difference is whether they are part of a union that voted for a certain party. How is that part of the bill going to bring this country together?

fitzgerald

January 20th, 2010
7:52 pm

What is good for Massachusetts may or may not be good for any of the other states. All states need to be allowed to decide if they want this health care mess or not. And, Ms. Tucker, I hardly agree with your opinions but I praise you for responding more frequently on your blogs. It takes away some of the sting that is in the blogs and helps to know that you are very human after all.

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Bob Haiducek

January 21st, 2010
9:26 am

New report documents that our future health care will have little or nothing to do with health care. Thank goodness for that.
Politics and Health Care
Enjoy.

Bob Haiducek, Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate

Bob Haiducek

January 21st, 2010
10:01 am

New report documents that our future health care will have little or nothing to do with politics.

Politics and Health Care

Bob Haiducek, Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate

(Moderator please delete my previous comment, now corrected above.)

Bill Gibbons

January 21st, 2010
2:14 pm

The question of whether or not the USA should have universal health care will not go away. However,as a British subject living in Canada, I can tell you that universal health care is not a perfect system by any means. Long wait times for essential operations and cut backs to the system are a way of life here. However, the UK, Canada, France and the rest of Western Europe have national health care for one reason – they all have small populations in comparison to the USA. And they all started their universal health care programs when it was still affordable to do so. Canada has a population of 33 million people, but we pay four time more taxes than the average American citizen. If you really want to have universal healthcare for 330 million people, then you should also be prepared to at least double your taxes to pay for it.

Frank Polack

January 21st, 2010
3:12 pm

You’re missing the point. A state has the RIGHT to implement whatever its constitution or charter permits, based on the will of the people in that state. The Federal Govt does NOT have the right to do the same. If you want to live in a state with univ.h.c., then move there. This is a state’s rights issue.

Bob Haiducek

January 22nd, 2010
8:48 am

To Bill Gibbons:

Sure! We will be glad to pay more taxes. No problem. Our current Medicare payroll tax will go from its current 1.45% to about 4.75% or so That’s what some politicians will tell you, that taxes will go up a huge amount. Well, of course they will. HOWEVER … and this is a VERY VERY BIG “HOWEVER” … the cost of health insurance company premiums drop to zero; deductibles go to zero; co-pays at the doctors offices will cost either little or nothing; there are no major medical bills when you must go to the hospital. The net effect of all of this is a HUGE SAVINGS and an elimination of unnecessary hardships (financial, physical, emotional and mental) that occur in the USA. Repeat: unnecessary hardships; fantastic savings.

And … those long wait times of which you speak. You’ve lived in the other countries long enough to know that the most critical needs are addressed first. Was it essential that my friend in Windsor Ontario Canada get his heart surgery immediately? Perhaps, but he calmly waited for some weeks or months, because he knew that the critical surgeries were occurring that kept OTHER Canadians from dying. Overall, his satisfaction with the health care for that experience was fine. In fact, Canadians like their health care at an unbelievable and consistent rate of 85 to 86% in multiple polls.

And we’ve had Medicare for the elderly for over 40 years and are doing fine. Be prepared to pay more taxes? We will pay less by getting rid of Medicaid and SCHIP and COBRA and the rest of the long list of unneeded government programs that Congress and Obama are getting ready to not only keep but expand.

Be prepared to pay more? NO! We will finally negotiate drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies that all the other free-market countries have done for decades. Our drug prices will drop like rock. Sorry if you sell drugs to Americans, as we won’t need to drive there any more to get decent prices.

There’s more to say about our large population … all summarized here: we are big and we will get big discounts and have big efficiency and reclaim tens of thousands of jobs that we have lost and will continue to lose without Medicare for All.

We will be able to climb up from being dead last on the ability to minimize deaths to preventable diseases. It will be an ECONOMIC and HEALTH BONANZA for the USA.

[Didn't have time to give you the solid sources I have for everything that is here, but there's a wealth of information with sources at the website.]

Sign up here, folks: http://www.medicareforall.org

Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate

Ryan

January 25th, 2010
10:28 am

It’s no surprise Ms. Tucker left out the fact that the benefits of Obamacare don’t take place for another four years. In other words it’s collect for four years and then there becomes univeral care. RomneyCare in MA wasn’t made that way. Fail.

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