Limbaugh is right about health care in Hawaii

For conservative talkmeister Rush Limbaugh, the superior medical care he received at Hawaii’s Queen’s Medical Center served as vindication of his well-known view that the American health care system is just perfect and needs no fixing.

At a news conference following his release last week, Limbaugh declared, “Based on what happened here to me, I don’t think there’s one thing wrong with the American health care system. It is working just fine, just dandy.”

Based on what happened to him?  Limbaugh’s use of his own circumstances to justify his ongoing tirade against the health care overhaul would be comic if he didn’t have so much influence on the body politic.

Suffice it say that the vast majority of Americans don’t have Limbaugh’s money. His net worth has been variously estimated at anywhere from $685 million to more than $1 billion.

That sort of wealth buys excellent insurance and the cash to cover those pesky out-of-pocket costs that accompany most hospital stays. Limbaugh could pay the exorbitant prices that an insurer might charge for a pre-existing condition — such as health problems that might follow prescription drug abuse — or simply pay his medical bills from cash if he needed to.

(And, despite his insistence that he received “no special treatment,” celebrities usually do. This is no slap at Queen’s Medical Center, but I suspect doctors and nurses there were paying extra attention to Limbaugh, given his stature.)

The health care legislation under consideration by Congress wouldn’t give the rest of us access to the sort of premium care that Limbaugh can afford. But it would help more than 30 million Americans who don’t have insurance afford to purchase it. That means hard-working housepainters, store clerks, warehouse workers and hospital orderlies can finally get the decent medical care they need.

If responses from my readers are any indication, critics hold a lot of misconceptions about the proposals before Congress. Some readers believe that the health care overhaul would reward the stereotypical welfare recipient. Not so.

The poorest Americans are already covered by Medicaid, just as older Americans are covered by Medicare (both of which are much closer to socialized medicine than anything in the bills recently passed by the House and the Senate.) But there are millions of Americans who work hard everyday, earning too much for Medicaid, but not enough to afford health insurance premiums.

And it isn’t just the cost of the premiums. Insurers set up a byzantine system specifically designed to weed out consumers who actually get sick and eat into the profit margins. Most insurers limit their coverage  of patients who already have a treatable illness  —  a “pre-existing condition.”  Some insurance companies resort to obscure rules to find reasons not to pay for a patient’s medical care, instead ending their coverage. They call that “rescission.” Health care reform aims to curb those practices.

Republicans in Congress — the vast majority of whom, listening to Limbaugh, have opposed the health care legislation — are beginning to concede they are unlikely to stop Democrats from passing a historic health care bill; but the GOP hasn’t given up its hopes of blocking reform. Among other tactics, some conservatives are talking up the idea of a legal  challenge to the “mandate” — the requirement that all Americans have health insurance.

Hawaii, though, where Limbaugh received such excellent health care, passed a mandate that employers provide generous health care benefits back in 1974. Perhaps as a result, Hawaii residents have longer life spans than most Americans, according to The New York Times. They also have lower insurance premiums.

So I think I’ve found something on which Limbaugh and I agree: Hawaii offers good health care. Congress should make sure the rest of the country gets something similar.

132 comments Add your comment

Chris Broe

January 5th, 2010
8:49 pm

First* (in the hearts of my countrymen).

*If George Washington was such a simpleton that his own grandmother wouldn’t let him near her basement.

Barry from Nairobi

January 5th, 2010
9:03 pm

Those of us that strongly oppose the so called health care reform aren’t against it because someone further down the economic chain might benefit. It’s the reality that the poor health care that Medicaid recipients currently receive is what we will be what we’re forced to accept when it all shakes out a few years from now. If I’m paying for it ( and likely yours as well), I’d rather that mine be as high in quality as possible.

Home School DropOut

January 5th, 2010
9:23 pm

I talked with a friend yesterday. He is Sixty Three years of age with Leaukemia. He is paying Twenty Four Hundred Dollars a month for Insurance; with a Ten Thousand Dollar deductable. Is this good HealthCare?

Lori in Decatur

January 5th, 2010
9:33 pm

Thank you Cynthia for pointing out what everyone should know if they actually took time to read the news articles and Internet reports that aren’t skewed politically. Rather than being lazy and letting talk show entertainers fill their ears with, um, well, entertaining perspectives, concerned citizens should take time to actually read. What you wrote is exactly what I understand the new health care bill to be. It will help people like me- middle age, middle class, hard working, earning $50K a year who suffered a Workforce Reduction and was out of work for six months and just now is getting back on top of paying the bills. My mom was a Medicare recipient for 8 years before she died. I’ve had to accept unemployment insurance when I was in-between jobs. These “socialized” programs provided basic assistance at a time when it was needed most. I believe I’m as American as they come, and proud too, but when I need it most, I’m humbly grateful for the help our government provides. I support this health care bill, yes I do! Hannity and Limbaugh…you do not speak for me!

ck hall

January 5th, 2010
9:34 pm

I am an ordinary American and hope my Health system never changes–It is fine as is. I stand with Limbaugh on this one..PLease leave the system alone!!!

Tall

January 5th, 2010
9:43 pm

“And it isn’t just the cost of the premiums. Insurers set up a byzantine system specifically designed to weed out consumers who actually get sick and eat into the profit margins. Most insurers limit their coverage of patients who already have a treatable illness — a “pre-existing condition.” Some insurance companies resort to obscure rules to find reasons not to pay for a patient’s medical care, instead ending their coverage. They call that “rescission.” Health care reform aims to curb those practices.”

Over the past five years, I’ve had an appendectomy, surgery for a deviated septum and a detached retina. My insurer – Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Georgia paid the claims. They still insure me and the premium increases have been reasonable. My wife has had ongoing treatment for a chronic nerve condition that causes debilitating spasms in her middle back. She gave birth to our second son three years ago. Our children have been in and out of doctors offices for the usual childhood ailments. We’re still with the same insurer. This is not a plug for Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Georgia. I would like to see Ms. Tucker provide some specific examples instead of the cynical allegory that passes for editorial content.

If you are so compassionate, you could start an insurance company that will accept people with preexisting conditions. However, you won’t last very long. I agree that we as a nation do need to do something about the Medicare/Medicaid programs. Adding a new layer that will bankrupt the country and resign us to economic sclerosis is not the answer.

Kimo Hana

January 5th, 2010
9:47 pm

As someone who lives in Hawaii, I can tell you that our healthcare system is excellent. But lets be clear, we pay a price. A big price. We have the highest tax rate in the nation. We also have one of the worst job markets in the nation (pay scale is about 20-30% less then our mainland counterparts). We have one of the highest costs of living in the nation.

The Democrats have had a iron-vise lock on political power here for over 50 years, controlling all branches of government for that long with only the most recent 8 years seeing a liberal RINO governor as the sole non-Democrat.

And the result of the loony left in power here in Hawaii is repeated like in other states where the left rules (see Detroit, Chicago, San Francisco, to name a few): Our schools are the worst, our infrastructure is crumbling, we’ve got homeless sleeping on the streets, the middle class is disappearing, housing is insanely expensive (median home price is about $600,000!).

Oh yeah, we’re broke.

So yes, we’ve got great healthcare. Lots of wonderful welfare programs. Too bad only the rich or the poor have it good here. The rest of us are slaves to government.

You too will have what we have here in the Birthplace-of-Obama-the-Anointed-One.

Lies

January 5th, 2010
9:50 pm

To achieve health care reform, “I’m going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We’ll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they’ll get a seat at the table, they just won’t be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process.”

Sources: PresBO — Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.

Chris Broe

January 5th, 2010
9:58 pm

How could there be a flat-earther in Hawaii with the volcanos and the magma and the ocean thingie and the hula girl LADY!

Reality

January 5th, 2010
9:59 pm

Myth –”But it would help more than 30 million Americans who don’t have insurance afford to purchase it. ”

Reality — The number of uninsured was originally touted as 46 or 47 million (depending upon who you asked). Most media rounded up the figure to an even 50 million. In reality, the number is closer to 16 million that are truly “uninsured” and can’t get insurance. The other roughly 30 million is made up of (1) people that qualify for some sort of government program, but for whatever reason don’t sign up, (2) families that make over $75,000 a year that choose to self-insure, (3) college kids who have come off their parents policies and are awaiting coverage, as well as (4) other people who are in the waiting period at their employers. Lastly, the millions of undocumented workers are counted in this category as well.

GovDependent

January 5th, 2010
10:04 pm

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning last November’s Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

Barry from Nairobi

January 5th, 2010
10:05 pm

As I understand it, Rush would technically be listed as someone without insurance, since he pays out of his pocket. Never trust a government official to save you money or make anything easier.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama

January 5th, 2010
10:27 pm

Oh, the Obama transparent, bi-partisan, pay now with NO results for years, health care plan? Yeah, that works. Change you can believe in…mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama.

Kathleen Rokavec, MD

January 5th, 2010
10:29 pm

Hawaii residents also have GREAT difficulty finding a doctor – reimbursement is terrible, the worst in the country.

oldtimer

January 5th, 2010
10:31 pm

No Lori in Decatur…..middle aged….It will not help you. Will cost you much more and you benefits will be cut a lot!!! Read the lit….

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama

January 5th, 2010
10:33 pm

Lori, with her head up her azz, Babe, the government doesn’t provide anything – TAXPAYERS do.

oldmac

January 5th, 2010
11:10 pm

Truth is it’s a lot more fun buying Nascar tix, putting new rims on the whip or buying the lastest sneakers than it is to buy your own health insurance. Uncle Obies got your back though. (but you’d better vote at least 2x)

JB

Byron Mathison Kerr

January 5th, 2010
11:14 pm

Written like poetry — great op-ed! Thanks, Cynthia.

And anyone making generalizations about healthcare based on his own sample size of one is — what was it — a “big fat idiot?!”

Barry from Nairobi

January 5th, 2010
11:27 pm

The people that truly think that their healthcare will now be “free” are the same idiots that are excited at tax time at the prospect of getting a refund when they didn’t pay taxes to begin with. You’re not welcome you leeches.

Dr. R

January 5th, 2010
11:31 pm

By forcing insurance companies to keep high risk patients, the plan will raise health costs for everyone. And that seems to be part of the plan, since anyone with half a clue knows that will be the result. When it happens, the Democrats can claim that they tried to avoid a public option but the evil insurance industry made things worse, and they hope to ride that momentum into pushing across a government-run plan. Pretty clever, I must admit. Bottom line, though, is that I don’t want to pay for someone else’s health care, any more than I should buy food, shelter or clothing for them. Tax dollars should support publicly-shared needs: Police, fire, roads, parks, public buildings, things we all use. Health care, like other personal needs, does not fit that description because some will need more doctoring than others. If I make good health decisions in my life, why should I shell out more tax dollars so some lazy, fat, chain-smoking alcoholic can have medical care on our dime? If such a plan ever passes, I may just start eating butter by the spoonful, knowing that Uncle Sam and his 300 million benefactors will help defray the negative consequences.

quod erat demonstrandum

January 5th, 2010
11:55 pm

Home School DropOut,

According to the House bill, at least the most likely, your friend has a Cadillac insurance policy – and will be taxed heavily for it.

Cynthia, With his wealth, why would Rush want to buy health insurance, his wealth means he is self insured – as are most very wealthy folks. Do you think Bill Gates worries about health care? Under this administration, they will be “fined” for not buying health care insurance, that is a tax on success.

The Happy Democrat

January 5th, 2010
11:55 pm

Here’s the AJC headline about airline security, in big letters, when Obama is in the White House: OBAMA TO BEEF UP AIRLINE SECURITY.

Here’s the AJC headline – same story – IF Bush was still President: BUSH DEFENDS SECURITY LAPSE.

Here’s the AJC headline – IN BIG LETTERS – when American’s die in Afgan during Obama admin: OBAMA MOURNS LOSS OF SOLDIERS.

Here was the AJC headline – same story – when Bush was in office: BUSH DEFENDS POLICY AS DEATHS MOUNT IN WAR.

It’s just great being a democrat in a city owned by the AJC!!

jd

January 6th, 2010
12:40 am

Healthcare is an earned privilege, not a right. Nothing in life should be a right, including your own miserable existence. Everything must, should and ought to be earned. PERIOD. Get that through your thick heads, Democraps AND Retardicans.

Dustin K.I. Palos

January 6th, 2010
12:41 am

Aloha just to let all of you know that the Queen’s Medical Center is a private hospital funded by one of Hawaii’s last rulers Queen Kapiolani. Wife of our boycotted King David Kalakaua who sole purpose was to aid and care for all her people. Unlike our stolen Kingdom, America has no care for its people because WAR, MONEY, GREED and CORPORATIONS are more important. Just to let all of you know if you have Kanaka Maoli koko you receive free services from the hospital. Where is America’s health care?

Sunshine and Thunder

January 6th, 2010
12:57 am

Look,

There is a certain amount of money to go around. When the law of supply and demand is tossed aside, the only result is that supply will keep up with demand as long as the supply is cheapened with inferior products. I don’t mind inferior widgets but I really don’t think any of us want inferior health care. When the price of health care is controlled and lowered artificially so that everyone has access to it it simply means that everyone will have access to artificially lowered quality.

IC Atlanta

January 6th, 2010
1:57 am

Doug I’m fine with 49 states as long as we don’t have to support Hawaii as a territory. Your state is a mess – imagine it as a Chinese owned country. At least you wouldn’t have freedom or liberty to kick around anymore.

Goodwrench

January 6th, 2010
4:12 am

I am amused by all of these comments on Hawaiian health care by those that have no idea how it works. Employer sponsored health care is mandated by law in Hawaii for employees working more than about 30 hours per week and has been for a long time. The same category of people who predict doom and gloom from our new health care reform said that small business could not survive in Hawaii with mandatory health care. They predicted all the fast food jobs, small business jobs, etc. would disappear. It never happened. They predicted outrageous premiums for the average worker. Wrong. Hawaii also has SHIP (state health insurance plan) for those not eligible at work ie. part-timers. This helps to eliminate the uninsured and the associated costs of treating them at others expense when they show up at hospital emergency rooms. The system is far from perfect. Major insurance companies like HMSA, Straub and Kaiser have a stranglehold on the business, but despite this lack of competition the costs compared to other Hawaiian expenses are lower. This is the most remote island chain in the world. Expenses are high, not just because of the current leadership, but mostly from logistics and lack of competition in things like shipping and the cost of land due to scarcity. The Hawaiian who complained about high taxes needs to check facts. I compare my tax bills to several relatives on the mainland. My sister pays 3 times what I pay in property taxes for her house of 1/3 the value. Queens is indeed a leader in health care and is also unionized. So much for the rabid anti-union people too. Health care can be more affordable if we all participate. What value do health insurance companies add for their added costs? A commenter said health care is not a right. What is more basic than the right to life? Whether a person lives or dies should not be subject to an executive’s bonus plan.

Vonnie

January 6th, 2010
5:53 am

Reality — The number of uninsured was originally touted as 46 or 47 million (depending upon who you asked). Most media rounded up the figure to an even 50 million. In reality, the number is closer to 16 million that are truly “uninsured” and can’t get insurance. The other roughly 30 million is made up of (1) people that qualify for some sort of government program, but for whatever reason don’t sign up, (2) families that make over $75,000 a year that choose to self-insure, (3) college kids who have come off their parents policies and are awaiting coverage, as well as (4) other people who are in the waiting period at their employers. Lastly, the millions of undocumented workers are counted in this category as well.

Actually Reality, you are missing a category and maybe others. I don’t fit into your categories above. My job was outsourced and I have not been able to find another. At this time my premiums have increased to $769 per month with a $3000 deductible. If they increaase further, I will drop the coverage. There are plenty out there who have dropped their coverage due to this. We want to pay for our insurance but cannot afford to. We make just enough to not qualify for free coverage. Stop trying to fit everyone into your fancy equations,. The truth of the matter is, health care is broken and it may not be for you but if you live long enough, you will find out.

Bubba

January 6th, 2010
5:57 am

Thank God the government is going to do something about refusing insurance for pre-existing conditions. Now I’ll be able to stop paying the $250 a month I pay for long-term care insurance and just wait until I develop Alzheimer’s to buy insurance. And I can drop all of my life insurance and just let my family buy it after I die. Right?

Vonnie

January 6th, 2010
6:05 am

If Rush Limbaugh pays out of his pocket, then I don’t need to hear another word from him about healthcare. He would not have a clue. Why do you people drink that Limbaugh kool-aid anyway? You are the ones who keep him rich. Get a clue!

Grumpy

January 6th, 2010
6:11 am

Democrat leaders are dropping like flies. Byron Dorgan not running for Senate re-election. Chris Dodd not running for Senate re-election. Yet left-wingers like you and Bookman can’t stop moaning about Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney.

Keep whistling past that graveyard!

Grumpy

January 6th, 2010
6:15 am

Seems like the single largest item everyone agrees about is pre-existing conditions. So why do we need a 2,700 page bill to eliminate pre-existing conditions? Had the Democrats taken this issue on with small bites, one at a time, they would have had at least 2-3 of their individual healthcare “pieces” passed and signed. But instead, they went “all in” with an overloaded, bribery-filled, bloated Pelosi/Reid monster that doesn’t deliver benefits for 3-4 years, but delivers higher taxes immediately. Great move!

catlady

January 6th, 2010
6:57 am

“given his stature” AND his girth AND his HUGE MOUTH, I am sure they would do anything to shut him up!

hryder

January 6th, 2010
7:09 am

The dregs of society complain because their own decisions have lead to a lack of success in almost all phases of life. Politicans buy their vote, with our money, and GIVE the failures what others earn for themselves. A catastrophe occurs, such as the hurricane Katrina, and what does one observe. The dregs sitting on their rearends, hands out, saying, “gimme…”(New Orleans), the typical citizen looking, evaluating, and then commencing to clean up after the storm and rebuild their lives(Mississippi coast residents), and then the dregs demonstrate why they are dregs by complaining of not receiving the identical treatment as others. Incidentally, the dregs caused millions in damage to facilities provided and complained bitterly when placed else where so most people could continue to rebuild.

ken

January 6th, 2010
7:23 am

Who in their right mind would pass a 2,000 page bill without reading it first? oops sorry Liberals. Why not fix the problems with our health care system first and then work on a health care bill, what scares most Americans is the fear of our Govt. screwing it up.

Obama wants a legacy to his time in office regardless of the cost. When he and all politicans go under the same plan as me then I will support it.

wj

January 6th, 2010
7:27 am

Oh Cindy, you’re at it again ….

In the USA we still have some, and I sincerely wish we had more, freedom to do with our money what we wish. If we wish to purchase health insurance we can, if we wish to purchase a television we can, … you get the idea (I hope).

The new healthcare destruction act, billed by fools and liars like you, is not about assuring “hard-working housepainters, store clerks, warehouse workers and hospital orderlies can finally get the decent medical care they need.” Frankly, they already have that option and service available. At present, the CAN get the medical care they need AND want.

If the new legislation goes into effect, that very medical care will be diminished – or eliminated – because of three simple interrelated factors: 1. supply of medical care is limited, there are only so many doctors, etc.; 2. “giving” free or lower direct-personal cost access (i.e., take my money to pay for your healthcare) increases demand; and 3. lower quality and rationing begins when demand exceeds supply without incentives (i.e., higher rewards) for suppliers. That three-part mix is precisely what the legislation you so loudly praise includes.

To borrow a few of your words … “If responses from my readers are any indication,….” very few people want any part of this deplorable legislation. It is flawed and borders on criminal.

“Some readers believe that the health care overhaul would reward the stereotypical welfare recipient. Not so.” This is a partially true statement. The facts are, this legislation will not only reward the stereotypical welfare recipient, it will actually create many more stereotypical welfare recipients as well as move many to become welfare-like recipients in behavior and treatment.

“The poorest Americans are already covered by Medicaid, just as older Americans are covered by Medicare (both of which are much closer to socialized medicine than anything in the bills recently passed by the House and the Senate.)” And, both provide a vivid picture of how messed up the healthcare system will be if this legislation is passed.

Finally, if you want to see the ultmate “byzantine system specifically designed to weed out consumers who actually get sick and eat into the profit margins,” go sit at a VA facility for a day, or look at the inner workings of the proposed legislation.

You are little more than a hand-puppet for the current Democrats who seek only to take from the real producers and give to the illegals and low/non-producers.

Try reporting or offering opinions based on fact – without attempting to destroy or throw editorial stones at another person. My guess is the lower the fact quotient the higher the call names and attack people quotient.

As I have said before, if nothing else, you are consistent – wrong and among the more biased spinners in the business.

WJ

axelrod's email

January 6th, 2010
7:34 am

If the system is in such crisis now, why won’t most of the ‘benefits’ kick in until 2013? More to the point, watch for court challenges to legislation that forces citizens to buy anything. That’s unprecedented and may not be constitutional (as if that stops anybody anymore)

Patrick

January 6th, 2010
7:48 am

The only people who comment on editorials are people that are incapable of forming their own opinions. This person’s entire job is to be “controversial” so you people will read her column and argue and fight. This so called “journalist” doesn’t care if you agree or disagree. She only cares that you read her column so she can keep her job. You people are really a very sad group.
And to clarify, I am commenting on the pathetic losers that comment on editorials, not the editorial itself. There is a difference.

ken

January 6th, 2010
7:51 am

Cindy, tell me what the new health care plan is and the amount I will pay. YOU can’t, but you like it. DA Our CLOWNS in Washington don’t know either, but they have a vote. Poor Harry, blind leading the blind.

jkf

January 6th, 2010
7:57 am

catlady is an idiot- limbaugh has lost about 100lbs and is most likely in better shape than you. you people complaining about limbaugh being self insured or paying cash for services are only guessing. check some facts before opening your stupid traps. that goes for your beloved cindy too.

Call it Like It Is

January 6th, 2010
7:58 am

Tell you what, why don’t you schedule a debate with Rush,and he will take you to TASK on your weak arguments!

You and Barry SUCK!

Enough Said!

Bitter EX democrackkk

January 6th, 2010
8:03 am

hey Cynthia….here’s a project! WHEN are you going to travel to Kenya and interview Obama’s LIVING Kenyan grandmother? WHY is she kept hidden from the world press? WHY didnt Obama
invite her to Hawaii for Chrimma? Looks like SOME journalist/reporter in merica would WANT to crack the story on this historical Kenyan granny of a US Presidunce…WHERE IS SHE???

Chris Broe

January 6th, 2010
8:05 am

Most of the Right’s blindness is a pre-existing condition and would not be covered under any Rx plan available, not even in Cuba, or Britain, or France. I would suggest a guide dog, maybe Ann Coulter. She’ll get the GOP through all the logic mountains in the flat earth they live in. She’ll guide them through the birth canal of Born Again land. She is a seeing eye K-9. And she’s got a nose for news. Whatever conservatives do, they should get a yellow journalism test kit, and not ingest yellow journalism. (or yellow snow, especially with Ann Coulter, the seeing eye dog, around.)

Is that like a Catch 22?

Skip

January 6th, 2010
8:12 am

Pro war anti healthcare, what a great country.

Turd Ferguson

January 6th, 2010
8:15 am

Ah yes…the dummycrat bedwetters and whiners are out in force. Too bad your boy, obobo, it gonna lose. Too bad your Congressional majority will be swept from under foot.

AHH HAHAHAHAAA!!!!

Chris Broe

January 6th, 2010
8:20 am

The failed Detroit BVD bomber had this to say about the way his burns were treated after his capture: “Based on what happened here to me, I don’t think there’s one thing wrong with the American health care system. It is working just fine, just dandy.”

He went on to say that the chicken dinner on the flight was “Tough and Stringy”.

C Tucker

January 6th, 2010
8:32 am

It is not my responsibility to provide for my own health care.
It is the government’s responsibility.

DAVID

January 6th, 2010
8:33 am

CYNTHIA……A POOR MAN CAN WALK INTO ANY EMERGENCY ROOM IN GEORGIA…& they must, by federal law, give him the best care they can…Talk of payment comes later. RICH MAN….POOR MAN….both get equal care in Georgia.

LeeH1

January 6th, 2010
8:45 am

I wonder what the final cost of his hospital bill will be. If he didn’t get any special treatment, that amount is what a poor family would have to pay for the same treatment.

The most common reason for bankruptcy is an unexpected medical bill.

TnGelding

January 6th, 2010
8:49 am

Equating longevity to health care is misleading. Don’t you think it would have more to do with the native population’s genes and more healthy lifestyles?

Anyone that showed up at the emergency room would have gotten the initial care Rush received.

The health care reform being considered does do a few good things, but overall it’s bad legislation. It will not cover everyone and is going to make it more expensive, not less. And only Congress could come up with something so complicated. The maze gets even more confusing.

What’s wrong with “socialized medicine?” It’s good enough for our poor, our elderly, our military personnel and our veterans. Why shouldn’t minimum wage workers and small business people have access to the care they’re providing to retirees?

Cynthia, it’s a matter of priorities. Many people that “can’t afford” health insurance smoke and drink excessively, drive new cars and vacation annually.

Ridgerunner

January 6th, 2010
8:50 am

………….. and so Ms. Tucker we have an imperfect system (still the best in the world) and all we are doing is making it worse. Very sad indeed.

DAVID

January 6th, 2010
8:53 am

RUSH DID NOT GET ANY BETTER CARE THAN AN ORDINARY BEACH BUM WOULD HAVE RECEIVED………………..THE SYSTEM WORKS…….Cynthia……IT DOES NOT NEED REFORMED.

Ridgerunner

January 6th, 2010
8:58 am

P.S. ……….. and what hypocrisy !

Headline: “Where’s the Transparency?”

“Obama and Dem leaders agree to keep health reform negotiations a closed-door affair, bypassing conference committee that would have opened process to scrutiny.”

DAVID

January 6th, 2010
8:58 am

CYNTHIA….If your watch is keeping peerfect time……..you don’t take it to the WATCH maker…..for repair….

Stanford

January 6th, 2010
9:02 am

Wakeup America! Everyone agrees that healthcare needs an overhaul. I am a self-employed small business person paying approximately $800 per month for the most basic of insurance. Last year was the first time ever that my wife and I did not go to the dentist for rountine checkups. Can’t afford it. If anyone desires healthcare reform it is me any my family.

First, the Republicans aren’t listening to Limbaugh, they are listening to their constituents. Second, Washington is totally out of control and does not have the good sense to pass legislation that is in the best interest of the people. Until we get the lobbyists out of Washington and find a way to have term limits, we are going to get the same old crap out of Washington I don’t care who is in office.

Bottom line, we can’t financially afford any healthcare reform right now that doesn’t focus on tort reform and insurance reform. It is like trying to make chicken salad out of chicken crap…there is only so much mayonnaise and pickles to go around.

We are so overspent as a government and as Americans. We have partied heavily over the last few years and now we have a hangover…kind of like the movie “Hangover”. We are fat (literally and figuratively) and we are broke. I cringe everytime I see a printing press running on TV. Printing money and borrowig money from the Chinese is a lazy politician’s way out of a problem. We have to stop it.

They can pass the healthcare bill and we can celebrate it for a little while. It’s kind of like buying a $500,000 house and leasing an S Class Mercedes to put in the drive way a couple of years ago when you can’t afford furniture for the house or maintain the Mercedes. Anybody seen any foreclosed mini-mansions lately and wore-out repoed Mercedes?

William

January 6th, 2010
9:12 am

CT and the other progressive liberal liars:

Are not the democrats behind close doors creatinga a healthcare package suited only to them? The public does not want this bill and the conservatives are not invited to help write this bill. If we are a representative republic and I am a conservative then I am being taxed without representation.
Obama promised transparency and a full show in cspan. Once again progessive liberal liars are revealed. So please keep your tweeked statistics,censuses, and so called scientific facts on the front page! The American people have awoken to the tyranny of the liberals in power. I will do what ever it takes to reveal this treachery to the American people and hope someday I will see them in jail.

The progessive liberal liars own this diabolical plot to enslave the American people to the government. They should promote CT to captain in their army of enslavers.

Turd Ferguson

January 6th, 2010
9:17 am

“Wakeup America! Everyone agrees that healthcare needs an overhaul.”

And yet again you are wrong.

Tyler

January 6th, 2010
9:33 am

I think this is typical Rush logic.

He is in the hospital with chess pains, and the doctors find nothing wrong.

So, EITHER

The health care is incompetent since the doctors cannot locate the source/problem with Rush

OR

Rush is delusional.

Stanford

January 6th, 2010
9:36 am

Dear Turd:

Read more than the first two sentences before you comment.

Healthcare is broken and that is about the only thing that both sides of the aisle can agree on. In 2009, we paid 10X more in premiums than we received in benefits. BCBS of Georgia rewarded us with a 26% increase in our monthly premium beginning this month.

I think the repo man is outside my door hooking up to my ‘Benz!

Mark

January 6th, 2010
9:38 am

Bravo, Cynthia. And it is not only Rush, let’s not forget Bob Barr (”the best health care system in the world,” many Republicans in Congress, as well as some people commenting here.

pat

January 6th, 2010
9:39 am

Again, it would be cheaper to buy insurance for every uninsured person, than either of these bills cost. That is how bad these bills are and how absurd they are. The system needs fixing and it should be, at a fraction of the proposed cost…A fraction. I can do it, why can these nimrods in washington, to whom you appropriate god like traits to, think of a better way…Pre existing condition? Make it illegal to deny on pre existing condition and viola, it’s done. It shouldn’t cost billions to do. Put penalties on price gouging allow foreign drug competition etc. I can come up with a bill to make health care affordable for the mere cost of your average legislative session. These bone heads have no idea what they are doing. Worse are the bone heads who hang on their every word like salivating dogs.

dleemo

January 6th, 2010
9:40 am

Lori,
What you and Cynthia don’t understand is economics. You love the Obama teleprompted speeches that are targeted at the evil health insurers, and you fail to educate yourself enough to know that your health insurance costs are going to increase under this set of socialistic reforms. It’s a shame you probably wake up everyday thinking how so many people have wronged you in your life. Wake up! Is there a need for real health care reforms that cut costs for all Americans not just the shameless, yes.

The Seeker

January 6th, 2010
9:42 am

You think you know me
You don’t know sh..
I’ve seen the world through your eyes
And it makes me sick
I question all of your answers
They’re f….n’ lies
I won’t conform to your system
I’d rather die!

Mark

January 6th, 2010
9:43 am

And then there are people like Sunshine and Thunder, who show their tru colot: “When the price of health care is controlled and lowered artificially so that everyone has access to it it simply means that everyone will have access to artificially lowered quality.”
Let’s translate it: I have health insurance (or can pay out of pocket), and if more people had access to the same health care system, I might have to wait longer. Let them be sick and die!

Kevin

January 6th, 2010
9:43 am

Cynthia, I am a registered Republican. I voted for Bush in 2000 and voted for Kerry in 2004 as a protest against Bush not using his veto pen. To chacterize most Republicans in Congress as listening to Limbaugh is similar to saying most Democrats in Congress listen to Adrianna Huffington of the Huffington Post.

My concern with the health care bills are twofold: (1) Medicare savings to be relaized. There are no specifics that I am am aware of and I am a Controller of a SC rural hospital so our trade associations would have provided specifics if they were present in either bill so how will this be paid for when the estimated revenue stream is unrealistic and (2) very few Americans really have read either bill and even if they have read it possibly only a handful of Congressional staffers understand how provisions of the federal regulations will be affected.

DAVID

January 6th, 2010
9:47 am

DOES anyone wonder why the Atlanta-Obama-Journal has lost 500K readers in the past 5 years…..& laid off 50% of the news staff…..IT IS NO MYSTERY.

DAVID

January 6th, 2010
9:47 am

DOES anyone wonder why the Atlanta-Obama-Journal has lost 500K readers in the past 5 years…..& laid off 50% of the news staff…..IT IS NO MYSTERY.

Larry

January 6th, 2010
9:47 am

I agree, Lush Scumbag is completely out of touch, the idle rich have no idea what most working families do every day just to make ends meet. However, I’m afraid the corrupt republicans and afraid-to-do-anything Democrats have ruined any hope of real health care reform with this bill. Mandates without a public option are worse than what we have now. No real price controls, regulations and lack of any competition will force us to continue subsidizing the corporate insurance monopolies.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
9:49 am

Lori, do not worry about people like dleemo, who accuses you of not understanding, while exhibiting a total ignorance. The moment he/she writes about ” this set of socialistic reforms” you know that hhe/she does not know what is she/he talking about.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
9:58 am

And we also have here people like Vonnie: “… the number is closer to 16 million that are truly “uninsured” and can’t get insurance.” Hallelujah! There are only 16 million Americans who can go bankrupt or die or suffer without treatment. Nothing to worry about!

Huac

January 6th, 2010
10:00 am

This has never been about Healthcare reform. It’s all about power, and the sustainability of one party’s dominance (which if you look at today’s ‘retirements’ seems to be already backfiring on them. Looks like the dems have over-reached again).

There’s one area of healthcare where costs have gone down. Plastic surgery which insurance does not pay for. So what’s that tell you? Competition will solve it all.

Here’s how you fix what parts of healthcare need fixing:

1. Repeal the insurance industry’s anti-trust excemption.
2. Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines.
3. Pass extensive Tort reform.
4. Encourage people to shop their healthcare like they shop for their big-screen TVs.

Trouble is, there’s no huge political land-grab in any of those simple solutions. So we’re told that ‘healthcare is a right’ that only the nanny state can provide. Washington (either party) is the team. Those of us outside the beltway are just the equipment. Hope you’re enjoying being on the team, Ms. Tucker. No doubt you’ll make your move to DC permanent.

JF McNamara

January 6th, 2010
10:01 am

JD wrote:

“Healthcare is an earned privilege, not a right. Nothing in life should be a right, including your own miserable existence. Everything must, should and ought to be earned. PERIOD. Get that through your thick heads, Democraps AND Retardicans.”

You must have been born rich. Its always those who have been given the most who have the “Earn It” mentality. Nearly everyone is given help in life and those who achieve the most generally had a huge head start.

Who has a higher chance of being successful? The son of a Harvard graduate or the son of a high school dropout. What did the Harvard son do to Earn his head start? Your statement is simply ludicrous.

Work hard and you’ll generally do ok. I get that. Earn everything is nonsense.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
10:07 am

One of the splendid ironies of the political debates is that the most vocal right wingers, like Neal Boortz, always remind the listeners that the US is a republic, not a democracy. But they turn around immediately when the polls show something they believe is in their favor, like the disapproval of the health reform bill. What they fail to mention, naturally, is that the polls also have shown that the majority of people want the pubblic option.

Big D

January 6th, 2010
10:11 am

Here we go again the ignorance of the the liberal masses. First you idiots have to understand…THERE IS NO FREE HEALTH CARE!!! It’s right up there with the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. Somebody pays…end of discussion. The framers of the constitution knew that if you allowed lazy worthless people to vote for socialist pocket pickers like OBAMA it would kill the Republic ( it is not a Democracy ). For that reason everything with the exception of common defense was the responsibility of the states. This is a states rights issue and CANNOT be run by a distant bureaucracy, the framers had already seen G.B. make this mistake. For those to stupid to understand that here is an example: I put $200.00 in a car in Albany GA. and drive to Atlanta, when I get there I still have some money left ( revenue). I put the same amount in the same car and drive to Washington, I run out of money ( deficit ). There are people who need help, but there is no way the Federal government can be there savior. This is a case where the leach sucks the host dry and they both die. We are there…we are broke as a country…this IS unsustainable and it will come to a time where all will be lost. Try to run a company the way you are letting Pelosi, Reid and Obama run this country and see what happens to you…you will go to jail for writing worthless checks. As for all you jealous characters lamenting Rush’s success…GET a life…figure it out…don’t waste your energy wishing bad on him and focus your negativity into positive plans for your success.

Big D

January 6th, 2010
10:21 am

Mark, I have no idea where you have come up with the idea that the majority want public option…even a CNN poll found that the majority did not want it or this so called health plan. You really need to get a reality check on peoples opinion of this socialist experiment we are about to embark on.

sam

January 6th, 2010
10:27 am

part of the confusion stems from people not being able to separate their own experience from someone elses. i am very lucky to be in a position to have great health insurance, we pay a lot for it but are pretty happy with the plan and the care we get. that doesnt mean that there are not others who could benefit from some changes..its not so much the health care thats bad its the rising costs that are the problem. the health care in america is great, if you can afford it. problem is with the costs going up and up, and income going down and down, there is a large number of ‘working’ people who cant afford it..the costs in the end will at the very least even out and according the CBO we’ll come out ahead..and in the meantime, people will get the care they need.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
10:29 am

Some of the most stupid comments are from people who want to remind us that there is NO FREE HEALTH CARE. In their belief of their superiority they think that people who use that term do not understand that somebody has to pay for the care. I suppose they also protest against expressions like “buy one get one free,” coupons for “one free item of brand X,” etc. Nothing like that is really free, but people understand that the cost is shared, which is the same concept as in “free health care.”

sam

January 6th, 2010
10:29 am

you cant trust these polls either way because of all the disinformation thats out there. most people are forming their opinions on falsehoods from lobbyists and ‘think tanks’..

Borderbud

January 6th, 2010
10:31 am

Wow! You libs are champing at the bit to be paying taxes from January to August to support losing socialist ideas, just like Canada! Welcome to the Socialist Health Care Stupidity Club of the World. Why not pass tort reform first – open borders for purchasing health care across state lines – kick out the illegals abusing your system – kick out the politicians trying for this massive cradle-to-the-grave power grab attempt for starters – stop the massive government regulations on drug testing. Costs will drop considerably. Fight for your freedom, for the love of God! Don’t sink into the mire of socialized medicine like Canada and Great Britain. Maybe what you need to do is come to Canada and seek medical assistance — see what that gets you! Then go home and fight to keep your present system but with legitimate reform. It’s no accident there are so many lawyers in Congress – and so many lawyers fighting tort reform in health care….

Jess

January 6th, 2010
10:32 am

Two points. Cynthia alludes to the fact that Rush probably has good insurance. I don’t know his status, but with his wealth, he does not need insurance, just like millions more who are counted among all those poor souls without insurance.

Number two. It is interesting that the number of uninsured has dropped by 15 million since the health care discussions started. A year ago there were 45 million. Cynthia now refers to the 30 million without health care. Sounds like we can drag our feet for two more years and the problem is solved.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
10:33 am

Big D: Check YOUR facts. Polls have shown people being in favor of public option by 2:1. As for your” socialist experiment,” that expression clearly shows you do not know what “socialist” means.

Grumpy

January 6th, 2010
10:43 am

The Seeker bringing out the Five Finger Death Punch lyrics. Sweet!

Swami Dave

January 6th, 2010
10:44 am

So, Cynthia supports increasing costs / decreasing quality for those who currently have care (aka: legislative mandates that serves to diminish care for those who pay for it) OR confiscating more of the earnings of taxpayers to fund benefits that the beneficiaries will not provide for themselves (aka: legislative theft). So, Cynthia continues to perpetuate the collectivist mantra that based on “need” (actually: a “want” that the beneficiaries will not provide for themselves, but look to government to confiscate and deliver to them at cost to others) legislative theft and the basic concept of slavery that it defines is in any fashion a moral perspective.

Kind of goes back to the reality that Liberal do with legislation what Muggers do with guns!

-SD

sam

January 6th, 2010
10:46 am

tort reform should be included in some fashion but it not a solution to the bigger problem. its a minor issue in the grand scheme of things..kind of ironic that ‘tort reform’ that applies to this issue is basically a doctors call for lower insurance costs.

Big D

January 6th, 2010
10:48 am

Mark and Sam, Let me see if I can come with an analogy your simple minds will comprehend. Think of the Constitution as a set of directions for a very complicated piece of machinery, where if you get a step of of order or forget one you will have to take it apart and start over. Then you have the guy who says I don’t need no stupid directions and is always wasting time taking it back apart and starting over. Please take some time to READ THE DIRECTIONS, because there is no step for all the stupid things you want and we that do know will be left to take it back apart and fix it.

jconservative

January 6th, 2010
10:56 am

To correct a couple thoughts running through the comments.

Medicare/Medicaid recipients receive the same care as someone on a “Cadillac” insurance plan. At least in my case this is correct.

Not only does Hawaii have a government mandated employer plan, the health care system there is the most unionized system in the country.
Good or bad? You decide. Rush does not like unions but probably did not know this.

If you combine all federal government health care systems – medicare/medicaid.chip(98 million), veterans hospitals(7 million enrolled), military (TRICARE, 3 million+) and federal employees (1,572,855 + retirees)) – then the US is one of the largest socialized medicine countries on the planet. Scary!

sam

January 6th, 2010
10:56 am

interesting, so we should all live today exactly as the constitution laid it out 230 yrs ago? i also find it interesting that someone who writes like you do calls other people simple minded.

Big D

January 6th, 2010
10:57 am

Mark, Socialism> A social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods and services are owned collectively by by the whole community ( in this case the Federal Government ). Socialize> To place under public ownership or control. What are you not getting here.

sam

January 6th, 2010
10:58 am

“Medicare/Medicaid recipients receive the same care as someone on a “Cadillac” insurance plan. At least in my case this is correct.”

false, false, false…

Big D

January 6th, 2010
11:00 am

Sam, do you really think YOU are smarter or more experienced than the founding fathers were? Do you think you or any other liberal can honestly can come with a plan that would last 230 years? PLEASE.

Call it Like It Is

January 6th, 2010
11:02 am

Hey Chris Broe,

You are a Moron!

Linda

January 6th, 2010
11:02 am

What’s the point of having more Americans eligible for Medicare if they are unable to use it?
The Mayo Clinic in Arizona announced last week that they will no longer serve Medicare patients. This applies to both new & existing patients. 3000 existing Medicare patients will need to pay cash or locate new doctors.
The Mayo Clinic in Minnesota has stopped accepting Medicare patients from outside Minnesota & its 4 bordering states.
The Mayo Clinic in Florida stopped accepting Medicare Advantage 2 years ago & become a nonparticipating Medicare provider in ‘03 which means Medicare patients are charged higher rates than what this government program normally allows for treatment. This facility bars new Medicare patients from receiving primary care.
Medicare reimburses providers at only about 80% of what private insurers pay & the Senate health care reform bill will cut another $500 B out of Medicare over the next 10 yrs.
Last year the Mayo Clinics lost $840 M treating Medicare patients. At the Glendale clinic Medicare reimbursement covered only 50% of the cost of treating elderly primary-care patients. The leanest, most efficient medical organization can not continue to do business with a program that compels it to eat half of its costs. The reform bill will worsen the physician & hospital shortage for Medicare patients as more doctors stop accepting Medicare patients.

Linda

January 6th, 2010
11:07 am

In ‘08, the Medicare Payment Advisory Com. reported that 29% of Medicare patients have trouble finding a primary care doctor. The Texas Medical Ass. survey indicated that only 38% of the state’s primary care doctors were accepting new Medicare patients.

dleemo

January 6th, 2010
11:07 am

Mark,
Why don’t you just stand up and be a man and thank Mr. Limbaugh for his success and for the healthcare he will soon be providing you.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
11:08 am

Anybody who claims that health care is a privilege and not a need is brain dead.

sam

January 6th, 2010
11:16 am

dont put words in my mouth d, i asked you a simple question and you havent answered it.

Big D

January 6th, 2010
11:19 am

Mark, Why should I have to pay for your medical care? Should I now be responsible to feed you, buy you cloths….maybe pay for your baby sitter… how bout I get you six pack while I’m getting these other things for you. Where does it stop once this genie is out of the bottle.

sam

January 6th, 2010
11:21 am

point is the consitution as first written was not a perfect document, it was a framework open to review and changes as the times changed ( i.e. slavery, womens rights, due process, etc, etc)…of course since i am ’simple minded’ i may misunderstand the whole thing. since your thoughts are stuck in the 1700’s if its easier for you live by the original document, be my guest. .

Big D

January 6th, 2010
11:28 am

Sam, I’m not trying to put anything in your mouth, I’m trying to show you that you need to think. Yes, I think the Constitution is every bit as relevant today as it was 230 years ago… the only thing that has gone wrong with it is when we think we can improve on it, institute a stupid amendment that we think applies to the order of the day ( prohibition, thanks for the Mafia and the Kennedy’s ). I will be willing to place a bet that you have never read the Constitution or the Federalist papers. As for my writing capabilities, I can at least relate a cognizant thought, use capitals and stay on issue.

Jess

January 6th, 2010
11:29 am

Even if we use Cynthia’s number of 30 million uninsured, this is still just 10% of the population. If this entire debate had been about finding a solution for this 10% we would have a bill by now. This congress and president instead propose to reform the entire health care industry to fix the 10% problem. The fact that up to 70% of americans were satisified with their health care arrangements, should have been a clue that their over the top proposals would meet with resistance.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
11:37 am

jconservative: “US is one of the largest socialized medicine countries on the planet. Scary.”
Haven’t you noticed that US is one of the largest countries on the planet?

sam

January 6th, 2010
11:38 am

i’ve actually read both more than once, high school and college

“do you really think YOU are smarter or more experienced than the founding fathers were? Do you think you or any other liberal can honestly can come with a plan that would last 230 years? PLEASE”

that would qualify as putting words in mouth….i’m bored with you. have a nice day.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
11:40 am

dleemo: Where di you get the brillaint idea that Rush will be providing healthcare to ME?

Big D

January 6th, 2010
11:46 am

Sam, you may be right, the Koran is older than the Constitution and has NO amendments and the Muslims may want to hear from you on how to improve it. HAHA…Out of here..got to go make some evil money.

Big D

January 6th, 2010
11:48 am

SAM, only simple minds get bored.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
11:49 am

Big D: Who is asking you to pay for MY health care? Why don’t you go to some wildermess and live from the land, if you do not want to live in a civilized society. I do not have children, but pay for schools. I have no quarrel wit the Iraquis, but I am paying for the war there. I do not drive in Norh Dakota, but pay for the highways there. There are thousand for things we pay for that we do not directly need, because we need a healthy society to function, and that it includes the literal health of people..

don

January 6th, 2010
12:00 pm

All you people are idiots,just take a listen?A bunch of tools.

Americans are sad and pathetic, no kind of unity what so ever.Your constitution is the greatest single document ever written .

The interesting thing is both sides of your politics cling to the constitution and wrap themselves in it under the guise of patriotism.Much in the same way you do your flag.

I am in my mid forties and live in a very small country.I was raised with the belief that America stood for Justice,Freedom,Equality,Compassion.I thought America was the greatest country in the world.

Then I read this and find that America is full of pettiness,delusion,self righteousness,gluttony…..

America is bloated

I still believe in the idea of your great country,but I think in your country that idea is dead

Jess

January 6th, 2010
12:25 pm

don,

I wish more people felt the way you do. This country is full to the brim of people from other countries.

Mark

January 6th, 2010
12:26 pm

don: You may be right in many things you have written, but the implicit idea that unity is paramount is wrong. I society with a high degree of unity is probably dead. Progress is the result of a clash of ideas. Also, while the Constitution is a great document, it is not a perfect document. If it were, why would it have to me amended so many times? Why would it be open to interpretations?

Mark

January 6th, 2010
12:27 pm

Jess: I guess we should send all the people other than American Indians home where they belong.

Jimmy62

January 6th, 2010
12:29 pm

Maybe it’s because we favor reform that will lower costs and make premiums affordable, not reform that wastes trillions of taxpayers dollars and puts medical decisions in political hands. But since you ignore all of our reform suggestions and just call us the party of NO, it’s obvious you are the one wearing blinders and refusing to hear anything outside of your little Obama-box.

In 10 years when your system has destroyed our country, will you apologize? Nope, you’ll just find a way to blame it on Bush.

johnny boy

January 6th, 2010
12:48 pm

Cynthia, there is nothing wrong with the health care system! The problem is the cost of medical insurance and I can promise you that gov’t run health care will be a complete disater. Why are 30 million americans uninsured? Most buisness offer health benefits for employees.

I would like to know what percentage of 30 million that don’t have health care have either quit their jobs, have gotten fired, have failed drug tests, failed background checks, and are just purely too lazy to find work.

You want to know what I pay for health insurance? $0.00!!!!! My employer pays for single plans. If gov’t run healthcare passes my insurance will no longer be free because my taxes will increase. All because of a few irresponsible americans who don’t want to be responsible and have to play the victim card!

Of course people live longer in Hawaii, there isn’t much stress laying out in the sun and surfing the waves!

Mickey

January 6th, 2010
1:41 pm

If you think American health care is the best in the world then devote some of your time at the next Remote Area Medical (RAM) health fair. I was in Wise VA this past summer and had a chance to see them in action. For three days hundreds of people stood in line in the rain to see a doctor or dentist. The fair was at the county fairgrounds where they cleaned out the pig stalls for room to see people. This type of medical care can be found all around America. Why does a 19 year old woman have to die of cervical cancer in America in the 21st century because the only reason is that she is poor?

Limbaugh is Nauseating! He can buy all the medical care he wants. How many of you have the resources of Steve Jobs to get a new liver? It would be Karma if you would lose your job and then your insurance because the COBRA payments are more than your unemployment check. And then you try to find private insurance and can’t because like every human on this planet you have a pre-existing condition. And then a trip to the emergency room puts you in bankrupt court. But, you have the best health care in the world so don’t worry.

Lori in Decatur

January 6th, 2010
1:48 pm

Mark at 11:49 am, yes! I appreciate you saying this so well! I believe this exactly! I believe in paying taxes for services that provide a manner of living, such as having police officers or firemen come to my house when I call 911, and having trash picked up when I put it on the curb, and driving on roads where potholes have been filled, or when I had to, going to a health clinic to receive care, and collecting unemployment checks for 4 months. I work two jobs now, pay taxes to my County, my State and my Government, and expect to pay a bit more in taxes in order to pay less for my health care. Because I take very good care of myself, I only go to the doctor for maintenance visits and an occasional prescription. I do not object to my tax dollars going toward someone less fortunate than me. I believe in caring for the common man, which contributes to the greater good of all our communities. As I said at the beginning of this blog, I support government health care and look forward to having it as an option to the employer “paid” healthcare that cost me personally $1000 in 2009 for two doctor visits, two pap smears, one mammogram and two prescriptions. Basic health care should be available at a competitive and reasonable cost! Please God, save me from Hannity followers!

GoldenRule

January 6th, 2010
3:04 pm

I agree with you 100% glad you pointed out the undeniable FACTS that some of the unreasonable folks that comment here cannot deny:

“Hawaii, though, where Limbaugh received such excellent health care, passed a mandate that employers provide generous health care benefits back in 1974. Perhaps as a result, Hawaii residents have longer life spans than most Americans, according to The New York Times. They also have lower insurance premiums.”

Great post, great points, please keep it coming.

tk

January 6th, 2010
3:17 pm

Ms. Tucker has no clue about this complicated topic of health care reform. Her reasoning is both shallow and uniformed, similar to her president, and she is going to be shocked when she realilzes its ultimate impact on the middle class and on the future of Medicare and Medicaid. Then she’ll be sorry for supporting this — or will she?

mysticaltyger

January 6th, 2010
7:03 pm

My objection to health care reform isn’t that the system we have is just fine. It’s that pretty much all of the critics have said it is wholly inadequate in reducing costs. Much of the real health care reform needs to happen with behavior change. There must be some kind of incentive system set up to get people to eat healthier and generally take better care of themselves. Otherwise, we are all going to go broke trying to pay for all of this. The bill in Congress simply won’t get the job done. And just about any analyst with any objectivity is saying so.

surferdude

January 6th, 2010
9:08 pm

“Hawaii, though, where Limbaugh received such excellent health care, passed a mandate that employers provide generous health care benefits back in 1974. Perhaps as a result, Hawaii residents have longer life spans than most Americans, according to The New York Times. They also have lower insurance premiums.”

Perhaps Ms. Tucker should research the Hawaiian mandate before making a claim that an insurance mandate has strong positive correlation with longetivity. The Hawaiian islands have a demographic composition that is substantially different than the mainland. Persons of Japanese descent are the largest or second largest group living in the islands. Does anyone know which demographic has the longest expected life span in the US? it is Japanese woman. i wonder if there are any other possible explanations for the longer life expectancy? how about the pleasant year round weather, more opportunities for outdoor physical activities, and diet. hence, drawing a conclusion about life expectancy based on the insurance mandate is sophmoric at best.

since the hawaiian plan is under discussion. what are some specific parts. employers must provide insurance if an employee works 20 or more hours a week. guess what, many employers only offer part-time work so that they do not have to provide insurance. thus, hawaii has seen an increase in part-time workers. because of this, most part-time workers in the state will jump at a new job that provides insurance even if it means much lower cash salary. this will happen here in the mainland if the employer mandate is part of the final reform.

while some may look at hawaii’s higher share of insured than the mainland; however, i would examine those figures very closely as military personnel and their families represent an out-sized share of the local population.

lamar

January 6th, 2010
10:01 pm

Ms. Tucker would be better informed to read the op/ed across the page from this article. Having spent the last 20 years in and out of hospital emergency depts during all hours of the day, and especially the nights, I have seen the whole spectrum of the human experience who fill the er and use it as their primary care – many times the result of their own bad lifestyle decisions. I have never seen one person lying in the parking lot after having been denied care whether they truly needed it or not. The current healthcare battle has more to do with politics and much less with the real problems inherent in the healthcare delivery system.

TnGelding

January 7th, 2010
1:10 am

Stanford

January 6th, 2010
9:02 am

You can’t afford to not go to the dentist. Get those teeth cleaned and checked!

Judi from Brooklyn

January 7th, 2010
6:27 am

Mahalo, Cynthia. You are right on all accounts. The Conservatives will say anything, lie about everything and are continuing to ruin our great Country. Ignore them and focus on the issues. We need healthcare reform. Our country has the lowest outcomes and the highest costs. We must fix it. And any bill now is better than none. We will do better over time but we need a stake in the ground. My hope is that our President prevails. I am for him and hope others will lay down their hatred and fear mongering and help out by supporting the efforts of the democrats – those brave souls!

Hawaii Boy

January 12th, 2010
3:59 pm

When I broke my arm in Canada, I went to the hospital, received excellent care with a shorter wait time than I did anywhere in the states, and walked out of there with a cast and no bill! If that happens in Canada, why can’t it be like that here???

Jim Fox

January 19th, 2010
3:51 pm

The solution: In order for an MD and a hospital to have licenses to practice medical care, they should be REQUIRED to accept MEDICARe patients. They should be fined and thrown to prison if they deny MEDICARE patients.

Big Red

January 19th, 2010
5:30 pm

a study that stated that only about 5% of individuals in the United States made more than $100,000. But if you take into account entire households instead, 16% of them nationwide earn over $100,000.

How are the rest of you doing? LOL my thanks to the NO government by the people

Terry

January 26th, 2010
11:48 am

I totally agree, we definitely need a better and an affordable health care plan, with this poor health care that the govt is providing someone is benefiting but a large majority of them are suffering. Check out some affordable health plans here http://www.usa-healthinsurance.com.

Hilary

January 27th, 2010
5:16 pm

I’ve seen a lot of over-weight Hawaiians. There must be a lot of Japanese ladies to make the longevity for the state what it is.

Bob G.

February 16th, 2010
12:03 am

I personally know many people who have no health insurance, but are not eligible for any type of government medical insurance. These people often work for themselves and are not yet eligible for medicare yet. It is far from easy for them to afford the cost of insurance particularly if they have a family. They instead often have to gamble that they do not get sick and many have put off seeing a doctor when they are ill rather than take on the expense of a medical bill.

When I hear Republicans talk about medical concerns it surprises me to think they really believe the insurance companies are out to provide the best care at a fair cost. The truth is that if they can get out of paying a bill they will do everything they can to do so. One of the simple things the Clinton Administration attempted to do was to get one insurance form instead of the hundreds of forms the different companies use. Would this have hurt the insurance companies, well the answer is yes because they might have had to fairly pay bills they may have otherwise been able to get out of because of the form confusion.

I personally understand that some of the costs may need to go up to get a better health care plan, but in the long run this is what is needed and we can not afford to wait any longer. Many who do not agree with this do not understand how much of a strain is put onto emergency rooms because a large percentage of the nation do not have adequate insurance and therefore do not see any family doctor.

Debi

February 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

My family has insurance that we pay for and use on occasion. My sister is a single mother w/her degree working for the school system in CA and she has none. Her hours are always kept 60min short of being qualified for health benefits and when, in another year, she will get more hours and can be eligible there is a 6mo wait from the date of being qualified. This is after she has worked 5 years for the same school as a special needs teacher. Her son is not eligible for any state funded insurance because her income is just over the requirement to receive it and private packages are out of her financial reach.
Each persons need is different and many would love some solution that can benefit those like my sister and also allow people like my family to keep the insurance we have had for years.

Dan C

February 23rd, 2010
2:46 pm

Hey Cynthia,

Way to neglect mentioning that Queens Medical Center is a PRIVATE hospital and that Rush Limbaugh’s treatment wasn’t subsidized under PHCA.

Thats ok though, keep drinking the koolaid.

K Swit

March 19th, 2010
1:01 am

I may have read 2 articles by Cyntheia over the last 7 years that I can even think about agreeing with her on. She likes to use quotes and other information taken out of context to get her point across. Nice try.
Who can tell me, in a brief, what is in obamas health care plan. I would really like to know.
I work for the government now and was in the US Army and like a lot of other people can tell you first hand that the government is the most wastefull disorganized outfit in the world. Why in the world would anyone want them tohave control of any more of their life than they already do. This is my greatest fear. We need social programs. They don’t need to be run by government.
Mark, you are an idiot. Your rebutal was that 2:1 is the score for health care reform but you don’t list who’s poll you are getting this from. Maybe the Mark poll.
As my American Hero once said “Life is tough, it’s even tougher if your stupid”.

Krazy

April 13th, 2010
2:50 pm

There’s so many points on this article I want to touch on. I will just point out 1 of them.

“If responses from my readers are any indication, critics hold a lot of misconceptions about the proposals before Congress”.

Those so called “misconceptions” are well solidified in history Mrs. Tucker. While it may not be American History, it is History no doubt. History I know the responsible writer that you are have researched but failed to mention. America’s turn will only result in deja vu for all else to see and say I told you so. These are the same things put in place in other countries. Why is it going to be different this time? Oh I know, because GOD has landed in the White House. Just a matter of time.

Mary Slimmer

June 23rd, 2010
2:20 am

Due to excessive weight gain in America, people have been using body slimmers to help contour their body.