Barr: Stop “scaremongering” over detainees
Finally, a small group of conservatives — including Georgia’s own Bob Barr — is behaving in a level-headed and rational way toward accused terrorists. Barr, who was the Libertarian candidate for president in 2008, is joining David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union, and Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, to urge prominent public officials to stop whining and fretting over the notion that Guantanamo detainees could end up on American soil.
“The scaremongering about these issues should stop,” Barr, Keene and Norquist wrote.
“Civilian federal courts are the proper forum for terrorism cases,” they wrote. “Civilian prisons are the safe, cost effective and appropriate venue to hold persons in federal courts.”
Thank heaven for that. Repubicans and many Democrats have been going nuts, behaving as though federal prisons could not possibly hold these guys. Of course, they can. Many convicted terrorists are already behind bars on U.S. soil, and not one has ever escaped.
The latest proposal for housing them is to to use the prison at Thomson, Illinois, a plan which has received the support of several Illinois officials. Let’s get going and close the facility at Guantanamo Bay.
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Common Sense
November 16th, 2009
3:45 pm
I say ………. after they were fully interrogated for any intelligence information, they should have been transported to Afghanistan and placed 100 yards in front of a Marine postion – armed and ready to fight. They want to fight don’t they?
jconservative
November 16th, 2009
4:28 pm
I agree to the use of thew max security fed pens to keep these guys in until we eliminate them. I am completely in favor of using the Southern District of NY federal prosecutors to try any & all. I do not want to give terrorist tied to no particular nation the status of prisoner of war, and this is what a military trial will do. Treat them the same way we treated McVeigh, as the piece of scum they are.
Having said that, the solution of Common Sense at 3:45PM has a lot of merit.
Common Sense
November 16th, 2009
4:30 pm
To jconservative:
Ooo rah! But seriously, they should never have left the field of battle – lesson for the future – end it right there.
Geriatric Blunders
November 16th, 2009
4:44 pm
Barr’s the one who’s been scaremongering about Big Brother and the novel 1984. So he has no credibility about any scaremongering others may indulge. The dude is a one-note Pete. Sure wish he’d peter-out.
BTW, did he use any phrase in the piece about Gitmo escapees on US soil like this, “The only good thing about big government is that they’d capture any Gitmo escapees in, like, two seconds.” ???
Sunshine and Thunder
November 16th, 2009
5:17 pm
What difference does it make? A prison’s a prison. Oh, I remember, Gitmo is Dick Cheney’s baby and we simply despise Dick Cheney because we’re liberal and Cheney ran something called Haliburton and that is a bad thing because the New York Times said so.
Common Sense
November 16th, 2009
5:47 pm
By the way:
Looks like the Ms. Tucker/the AJC didn’t want a debate on “racism in China” (or anywhere else) as they cut off posts very early on the previous thread. Sad.
Elder Spokesman
November 16th, 2009
9:16 pm
She CAN run, and she CAN hide!
Elder Spokesman
November 16th, 2009
9:17 pm
We all hope it never happens, but does Barry have an exit strategy or an off-ramp if one or more get off on a technicality??
TnGelding
November 16th, 2009
9:26 pm
They should have been tried long ago. It was a law enforcement problem that has been escalated out of proportion. Would 09/11 have occurred if the airlines had been notified of an increased threat?
Common Sense
November 16th, 2009
9:29 pm
Elder Spokesman :
You know ……… compared to Bookman “nobody” posts on her threads. It’s kind of dead. Even Barr gets more volume.
up and onward
November 16th, 2009
9:46 pm
I hear ya, amen! take a look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8GuH9oDHrU
El Jefe
November 16th, 2009
9:47 pm
If these crazy muslims committed a crime I would agree. They committed an act of war.
This is the same mind set that Clinton had after the ‘93 bombing and look where that got us.
It seems the Democrats have no idea what the Constitution says or even what it means. Their ignorance is frightening.
fitzgerald
November 16th, 2009
10:10 pm
It makes me sad that there is racism among blacks in this country. Meaning that the black folks with light skin discriminate against black folks with darker skin. Check the advertisements on TV. Perhaps this is why it is easy for Ms. Tucker to talk down to the Chinese about their racism.
ksiujgth
November 16th, 2009
10:35 pm
the concern is not the prison or prisoners, it is the 200 visitors that each one of the terrorists get to have every year. they will be using the trains, boats, and planes to get to see their buddies. perfect excuse for more visas and passports for potential terror events on out soil. people need to think beyond the obvious, even dear cindy.
ken
November 17th, 2009
12:35 am
The economy must be bad if the only jobs that can be created are in a prison.
Richard Lyon
November 17th, 2009
3:47 am
Barr is a libertarian, not a conservative.
DT
November 17th, 2009
4:25 am
Why start with “finally a small group of conservatives” and then go on to say in next para after quote that “Republicans and many Democrats have been going nuts”…has there finally been a small group of liberals” that have said it is OK to bring Guantanomo detainees to the continental US (vs. a US military base)? Have Senators Feinstein and Boxer opened the gates of the Golden State to the detainees? (Cali did let 40k criminals out early to ease prison overcrowding, right)?
Gerald West
November 17th, 2009
6:06 am
What the hell does Cuba have to do with terrorists from Afghanistan? Why weren’t the detainees held and tried where their alleged crimes were committed? What nut decided to bring them to Guantanamo?
deborahinAthens
November 17th, 2009
6:39 am
El Jefe, you are wrong, individuals flying planes into buildings is a crime, it is not an act of war because it was not done by a nation but by criminals. Most of the terrorist attempts since 9/11 have been thwarted by law enforcement from various countries–not the military. If Bush had worked with the international law enforcement communities, we would have caught Osama Bin Laden. Instead, he had to swagger off to war which has not done a thing except result in over 5000 deaths of our countries best and bravest people. The only other result has been billions of our tax dollars funneled to corporations like Halliburton, that really, really needed the boost in their revenues. It is interesting also to listen to Giuliani and Karl Rove bloviate on Fox News about how horrible it is that they are bringing these people to NY to be tried, when, only three years ago (on film-so he can’t deny it!), when other terrorists were brought to trial on American soil, Rudy Giuliani was saying what a great example of the strength of the American system of justice system it was. You’ve got to love the alternate universe of the Republicans!
ctucker
November 17th, 2009
6:50 am
Richard Lyon wrote: Barr is a libertarian, not a conservative.
Aren’t libertarians also conservative?
Caveman
November 17th, 2009
6:59 am
Of course conservatives are afraid of terrorist prisoners on American soil. They’re pretty much afraid of their own shadows anyway. Kinda like a group of little French schoolgirls.
Iconoclast
November 17th, 2009
7:14 am
Libertarians ARE conservatives disenfranchised by the domineering and fundamentally adrift GOP.
ck Hall
November 17th, 2009
7:39 am
Your President has moved on this one about as promptly as he has on Afghanistan! Now let’s be sure to give the terrorists a forum to spew their hatred in NYC! How absurd! I’d also like to see some unbiased jurors found a few blocks from the former Twin Towers!
laugf
November 17th, 2009
7:45 am
ctucker – are all liberals democrats, i.e.-ny23
Ed
November 17th, 2009
8:03 am
ksiujgth
November 16th, 2009
10:35 pm
Do you really beleive people will visit these terrorists if they are incacerated in prisons here? Do you really beleive that? Prisoners visits, phones calls, mail are monitored. I am sure the Feds will put surviellance on anyone who send a letter, accept a phone call from anyone who is convicted of having something to do of 9/11. I think it is time we all stop being partisans and embrace common sense.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the LIAR Obama
November 17th, 2009
8:06 am
Bob Barr used to be a conservative, now he’s a libertarian. Cynthia there’s a BIG DIFFERENCE. LIBerterians are for abortions, open borders and leagalized drugs – just like LIBERALS.
Turd Feguson
November 17th, 2009
8:22 am
Prison this prison that. Cant we just have them face a firing squad and get it over.
Sam
November 17th, 2009
8:25 am
I think being sent to Illnois is punishment enough. After a few years there they’ll be screaming to be hung!
Big D
November 17th, 2009
8:36 am
ACCUSED !!!!! The guy admited it..if this was a real court proceeding it would be over,sentencing starts. The liberal crap seems to just jump out of you. Anybody against this country is your buddy right CT. Go get a real job.
Me
November 17th, 2009
8:38 am
To ksiujgth:
You do know your statment is completely FALSE. The gitmo detainees will be housed at a civilian prison but the military is in full control over those detainees. They will NOT have visitors. This is the same as now while they are in gitmo. So stop saying things that are not true. You are scaring the crap out of people for now reason.
William
November 17th, 2009
8:40 am
If I were one of the terrorist coming to American soil, I would defend myself. Yes, for Allah and the jihad, I would defend myself so I can have total access to CIA, FBI, and military intelligence gathering files. I would put America on trial before the world. The liberals have already stated we are a torturing nation.
Of course I would need some legal assistance but when I am finished all soldiers and U.S. agents would be upcoming targets if not already eliminated. I would do all this with the gratitude of Eric Holder, OBama, liberal attack media, and the liberal ideologists who want a socialist government.
Naturally the prisons would confine the terrorist but as a defendant against the US I would call for a jihad against all the local cities. This would unite all the hidden cells in the US. I could see mass hysteria. Cynthia could you move to Chicago?
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
8:42 am
If you ask the New Yorkers especially those who had a loved one affected by 9/11 I bet for a fact they will want to be part of the justice the 9/11 hijackers will get. They should be tried in civil crimal court. If we the great old US of A can’t try people from out countries the correct way what makes you think when they get a US citizen not a solider just a citizen for doing something stupid they wont just kill them with no trial.
None of you on this blog are in New York so you opinion does not matter much.
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
8:46 am
William, William, William.
I have no idea where to start on your idiotic comment. Dude please base your comments on some facts. How do you know what a terriorist would do? Are you a terrorists? You make a lot of assumptions about something you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Read a few more articles about the 9/11 trials and not just what you are spoon fed on Fox and Drudge. PLEASE!
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
9:05 am
For a minute I thought Cindy was writing about Obama’s, to paraphrase. “It will be catastrophic to our economy if we don’t pass this stimulus bill now, otherwise unemployment would rise to 9.5%”
…of course I’ll sign it on Tuesday when I get back from my extended weekend vacation.
Not that kind of scare mongering.
Scooter
November 17th, 2009
9:10 am
Federal prison will provide a golden pasture of currently disenchanted citizens for recruitment to jihad. If ever there is a disenchanted person who feels like the victim, they will make good fodder for the Democrat Party or jihad.
Just A Grunt
November 17th, 2009
9:20 am
Sorry I meant to say Ms Tucker. Need. More. Coffee.
Atlanta_Tiger_Fan
November 17th, 2009
9:20 am
You truly are clueless…..it’s not about security you idiot!!! These guys are war criminals and should be tried by military courts not our liberal court system. These wastes of human beings are NOT Americans and should NOT get any privileges that Americans get.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
9:25 am
Now Now Atlanta_Tiger-Fan. They do need a fair trail. After all, we did pour water down their nose.
I just hope we can spend 100’s of millions on the trail, you know since we have soooo much money.
Like the Nichols trial here in Atl., but that was only a few million I believe. By the way, have we determined what it was that society did to provoke him to shoot the judge and the other innocent bystanders?
//sarc//
William
November 17th, 2009
9:26 am
“None of you on this blog are in New York so you opinion does not matter much.”
Yeah that is the kind of condescending behavior and remarks we are use to from New Yorkers. So if New Yorkers have a trail and sets a precedent it does not affect the rest of the US? Is that what you are saying? Speaking of idiotic comments!
What facts dont you have now “Are You a New Yorker? I trust Fox over your ideology led media anyday.
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
9:28 am
Atlanta Tiger Fan,
Please tell me what war we were fighting on 9/11. We didnt go to war with Iraqi until after 9/11. Do you see how that works? WE WERE NOT AT WAR WHEN THE TWIN TOWERS WERE HIT! Geez people. This is common knowledge.
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
9:33 am
Ok William. Lets keep up. The topic of the blog is fear mongering in relation to the 9/11 hickjackers. The people whose opinion matters the most are the people who were directly affected by 9/11 like having their loved ones perish. Are their opinion the only ones that matter, NO? But their opinion does matter more than urs or mine. And for the record I am a born and raised GA Peach thank you very much.
My ideology is based on facts. So it would make since that you would say you trust Fox over my ideology(facts). Spoken like a true ignorant Faux news watcher. Your probably a birther and deather too.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
9:42 am
“Spoken like a true ignorant Faux news watcher”
Clearly coming from a true ignorant Keith Olberman and Rachel Madcow watcher.
…too easy.
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
10:16 am
RAMBLE ON: WAS I EVEN TALKING TO YOU! The comment was not directed to you so why in world did you speak when grown people are speaking. Sit down and HUSH!
On the other hand if you have any comments dealing in facts to add to this debate then by all means please enlighten me. Because all the facts I get from yes Keith and Rachel have not been dispoven where as the so called Faux facts have.
William
November 17th, 2009
10:49 am
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
10:16 am
Scaremongering over the detainees is script written by the liberal media! That is a fact! The only ones fearing anything are the liberals. If something happens, then the appointed ONE will be blamed. Oh that is right the appointed one did not make that decision is was Eric Holder who made that decision. Obama is cleared.
However, the remaining citizens of this country have the right to their opinion and the right to know what New Yorkers are doing that could affect the rest of the country.
Do you remember Timmothy McVeigh?
The FBI did some really bad things and Timmothy took it out on federal employees and buildings.(Eric Holder is a federal employee.) It was awful what he did! Timmothy paid for it with his life.
Of course the jihadists could not be as terrible, coniving, and vengeful as Timmothy in liberal eyes. After all, we torture!
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
10:58 am
Are you a New Yorker?
Your Gov. is from NY…what does he think about this.
Oh my bad, you are smarter than him.
I seem to remember ol Keith mocking Bush about stopping a terrorist attack on one of our military bases.
Do you?
Of course you don’t.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:05 am
Of course you watch Keith and Rachel, you where your ignorance on your sleeve.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:05 am
wear, not where, sorry
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
11:06 am
Ramble On! Great post. That a way to change the subject because you cant elaborate on my comment. Just the change the subject, no one will notice. Good Job of proving my point about your so called Faux facts.
And by the way why is it that when Obama says Bush left this mess he is wrong for bringing up the past. (BUSH DID CREATE THIS WHOLE MESS IN THE USA) But you deem it fitting to bring up Bush stopping a terrorist attack that has nothing to do with this blog or my comment to you. Man this debate is useless. I am in a battle of wits against a man who is unarmed.
U seem to remember a lot of things. The truth is not one of them.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:27 am
So Governor Patterson does want the trails to take place in NY?
That is the topic isn’t it?
Your arrogance doesn’t replace your ignorance.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:33 am
You do know who your Governor is Ms. Wits?
hint:
he’s a democrat.
I like the way you use the common peoples U in debating.
Are you a New Yorker?
November 17th, 2009
11:33 am
For the last time I am a born and raised Ga Peach. If you can read go back a few posts and you will see that very same line.
You do know you can change your title name to what you want. I will show you in my next post.
But to answer your misguided post: I did read where Gov Patterson disagrees with the decision to have the trials in NY. (Would you ever agree to anything I said that was true that you disagreed with, of course not.) He is one person in the state of NY. He like all politicians should take into consideration of what the people of that that state want. I think he does not have all the facts to form an educated opinion just like you.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:34 am
I am not worthy!!!
Thanks for the “shout-out” Ms. Snob from NY.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:34 am
SEE EASY AS PIE!
WELL DUH!
November 17th, 2009
11:35 am
NAME SAYS IT ALL DOESNT IT RAMBLE ON!!!
WELL DUH!
November 17th, 2009
11:36 am
I’m sorry Ramble I didnt know that was formal debate. Are (U)’s not allowed in our discussion? My bad!
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:37 am
And Rudy G. is just another who “does not have all the facts to form an educated opinion just like you.”
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:40 am
Ms snob from NY is getting desperate with this imposter post.
I would think that someone as well educated, as your self would take the time to spell a three-letter word.
Guess not.
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:43 am
U (haha) may have been born in Georgia but you’re no Peach. Thanks for leaving.
You are very full of your self though.
RAMBLE'S ON TO SOMETHING
November 17th, 2009
11:45 am
1. I was not aware in having a debate we were also being graded on spelling and grammar.
2. Rudy G has flip flopped on this issue. In the year of 9/11 he said he wanted those hijackers tried by NY. Now that he has his marching orders from Rush and RNC he feels the complete opposite.
3. When you make a point give me some background details so I can research. If you are right I will say it. If you are wrong I will run you and your opinion in the ground.
ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE NOW?
GEORGIA PEACH
November 17th, 2009
11:48 am
NO Im here Ramble for the next 10 minutes. What false claims do you have now? If none we can pick up tomorrow where we left off. Just so you know look for GA Peach tomorrow. This debate has been fun especially since you got creamed. Have a good day!
RAMBLE ON!!!
November 17th, 2009
11:48 am
ARE YOU A NEW YOKER OR A GEORGIA PEACH?!?
Gee, I feel like I’m in a battle of wits with an unarmed women!!!
GEORGIA PEACH
November 17th, 2009
11:48 am
WHERE U AT? WE CAN GET A FEW MORE JABS IN!
GEORGIA PEACH
November 17th, 2009
11:50 am
Why does it matter where I am from. We are talking politics. Dude, ask me something worth commenting on. Geez!
GEORGIA PEACH
November 17th, 2009
11:57 am
OK RAMBLE! We can get back at this tomorrow. Seriously, I enjoyed our little debate. It was not world changing but it was fun. I like to be able to apply all the facts I get from Keith and Rachel to wingnuts and see their heads explode. Or at the very least they change the subject. U cant argue with the truth. Peace Out!
Tommy Maddox
November 17th, 2009
6:23 pm
Eric Holder – our national version of Paul Howard.
Acquittal is in the air…
All the way
November 17th, 2009
6:38 pm
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