Obama: effete or “street-brawler”?
Since the Democratic presidential primaries, Barack Obama has been accused by friends and enemies alike of being too weak, too passive, too effete. His Democratic supporters wanted him to attack Hillary Clinton and, later, to bash John McCain. More recently, Washington pundits have started opining about whether he’s tough enough for the job and whether he incites enough fear in his opponents.
With all that chatter about Obama’s alleged weakness, it was a little weird to hear of a Republican taking to the floor of the Senate to accuse the president of the opposite: “streetbrawling” with his foes and keeping an enemies list.
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) accused the White House on Wednesday of “street-brawling” with opponents, and said the West Wing’s strategy of freezing out opponents amounts to a latter-day “enemies list,” a reference to an infamous practice of President Richard Nixon.
“An ‘enemies list’ only denigrates the Presidency and the Republic itself,” Alexander said on the Senate floor. “These are unusually difficult times, with plenty of forces encouraging us to disagree. Let’s not start calling people out and compiling an enemies list. Let’s push the street-brawling out of the White House and work together on the truly presidential issues: creating jobs, reducing health care costs, reducing the debt, creating clean energy.”
The confusion over Obama’s essential personality suggests that he doesn’t play the game like most Washington politicians, so Washington insiders are having troubling fitting him into their usual stereotypes.
But if Obama has a Republican Senator up denouncing him for “streetbrawling,” he should keep right on brawling. Republicans have no intention on working with the White House on anything. So if the GOP is upset, the president’s tactics are working.
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Guides
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2010 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
50 comments Add your comment
Joan
October 21st, 2009
2:11 pm
Obama only gets tough with the American taxpayer. As far as Russia, Iran, and other issues, he is a wus. Your statement that Republicans “have no intention on working with the White House on “anything” is so far out of line it is ludicrous. The White House chooses not to work with conservatives, but only to demean them, and to tax them to support all the ever growing list of entitlement losers in this country.
Larry Linn
October 21st, 2009
2:22 pm
There is a big difference between the enemies list of Nixon and Obama. Nixon secretly hired G. Gordon Liddy, William McCord and other domestic terrorists to perform burglaries and other illegal activities against American citizens. Obama just does not want to cooperate with right wing chicken-hawk commentators, masquerading as reporters.
Kevin
October 21st, 2009
2:45 pm
Chicago street thuggery politics.
Big surprise there.
And a big surprise that Cynthia encourages thuggery. Stay classy, Cindy.
rann
October 21st, 2009
2:58 pm
Kevin. Your post has one problem: You mentioned C.Tucker and classy in one sentence. That’s impossible.
To another poster about G.Gordon liddy, I agree. But, what about ACORN?
Andy Dufrane
October 21st, 2009
3:30 pm
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A LOT WISER THAN THESE FOLKS ARE GIVING HIM CREDIT FOR. He is like a chess master who is constantly a few moves ahead of the Republicans who only whine, fear monger and yes lie to the AMerican public who is on to their game. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA RECEIVED MORE VOTES THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN HISTORY SO HE IS NOT EFFETE AND HIS BRAWLING IS PAYING OFF. OBAMANOS!
Beej
October 21st, 2009
3:46 pm
Who is REALLY wanting Government Run Healthcare? WHO in their right mind would want more redtape, paperwork, and some one else besides a doctor to decide what you actually need? O Crap! o-crap.org
maybe
October 21st, 2009
3:56 pm
I believe that the dems in Congress with the help of the Obama admin. have shut the republicans out. Please get your story straight before you post.
Spartann
October 21st, 2009
4:04 pm
There ya go again Cindy-Lou, once again proving Forest Gump’s mama knows more than you…
Only a Progressive with your agenda would consider a street brawler one in the same as a Pugilist….
Waging an impudent assault on political adversaries at home will not elevate BHO’s stature in the eye’s of our foes abroad …… I’m sure some where in the Hindu Kush they’re thinking “he can mop his own damn floors…”
Our present “Mambie Pambie” in Chief is quickly out doing the thready “Peanut Farmer” your state sent to Washington in 1976……. By 2012 the names of Obama and Carter, will be synonymous with “weak-kneed one term” presidencies …..
Michael
October 21st, 2009
4:09 pm
Too bad the tea-baggers don’t have anything to do but rant about Obama all day long. Don’t any of you Republicans have jobs?
Shananeeeeee Fananeeeeeeee
October 21st, 2009
4:14 pm
Not only is Obama soft but he is a liar too. Change in 2010 and 2012, Change we are looking forward to.
jconservative
October 21st, 2009
4:22 pm
Joan October 21st, 2009 2:11 pm
“Your statement that Republicans “have no intention on working with the White House on “anything” is so far out of line it is ludicrous. The White House chooses not to work with conservatives…”
I believe you are making a fundamental mistake. You are using “Republican” & “conservative” as interchangeable words.
Some Republicans may be conservative, most are not. A few conservatives are Republican, most are not.
Cynthia correctly used the word Republican in her column, she did not use the word conservative. They are not the same thing.
I am a political conservative but I am most certainly not a Republican.
Scott
October 21st, 2009
4:27 pm
“He doesn’t play the game like most Washington politicians” Incorrect. He panders to anybody that will give him votes. His actions are different than what he said he was going to do. For example….When are these healthcare talks going to be on CSPAN “so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies.” I haven’t seen any transparency in this presidency.
“Republicans have no intention on working with the White House on anything”
It’s kind of funny. Has Obama invited any of them work on anything? He said he would reach across the aisle. He hasn’t talked to Rep leaders about healthcare in months. And you say that it is the Republicans that have no intention on working with the WH???? Why would they, especially, after his first interaction with them was basically, “Too bad. We won. You didn’t. We don’t care what your interests are.”
Scott
October 21st, 2009
4:31 pm
Andy,
Nope. I think that they are giving him more credit than he deserves. Look at his polling numbers. They are steadily sinking like the Titanic. The American public are onto him now. He will go down as the WORST president in history, beating our Jimmy Carter. You say he had the most votes in history. Are you sure that those were all LEGAL? I am sure ACORN was good for a few million fraudulent votes.
Stephen
October 21st, 2009
4:34 pm
Lamar Alexander is a clown. When I wrote this fool in 2003 to voice my disagreement (as a Tenn citizen) with the pending Iraq invasion, this moron wrote me back saying that he supports the troops and wants them to be successful. What a dope, now he’s the long arm of Fox News. Tennessee can really pick some winners.
Class of '98
October 21st, 2009
4:43 pm
Cynthia, we learned long ago that you think Barack Obama is a perfect human being.
Can you please write about something else for a change? I hope.
Kamchak
October 21st, 2009
4:44 pm
Who is REALLY wanting Government Run Healthcare?
According to a Washington Post survey conducted on October 18th
8. Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?
Strongly Support——–36%
Somewhat Support—–21%
Total————————-57%
Strongly Oppose——–31%
Somewhat Oppose——9%
Total————————-40%
No Opinion——————-3%
Chali Jones
October 21st, 2009
4:56 pm
You republicans will follow Ole Dickey Cheney into an illegal war that President Obama must clean up. Ole Dicky boy was to scared to go to any war but wants your sons and daughters to die for him and Halliburton.Ask your heroe Rush baby if he’s ever inlisted for anything but the prescription pill line.
mike
October 21st, 2009
5:10 pm
“So if the GOP is upset, the president’s tactics are working.”
So just to be clear, all of that talk about post-partisanship was cynical crap. Not even his supporters believe that he is anything but a standard, run of the mill partisan politician.
Spartann
October 21st, 2009
5:10 pm
From the blogosphere comes news that President Obama’s name has become an eponym, but not in English. In Japanese, Obama has transformed into “obamu” — a verb that means, “to ignore inexpedient and inconvenient facts or realities.”….to ignore anything which appears to make you likely to fail or (be) wrong, and blindly surge ahead (preferably chanting, “yes we can, yes we can”)’.”
mike
October 21st, 2009
5:12 pm
“Ole Dicky boy was to scared to go to any war but wants your sons and daughters to die for him and Halliburton.Ask your heroe Rush baby if he’s ever inlisted for anything but the prescription pill line.”
First of all, you can’t spell simple words.
Second of all, was Obama “scared to go to any war” despite his cheerleading for the Afghan War? How about Cynthia Tucker or any of the liberal pundit cheerleaders for the war?
MAC
October 21st, 2009
5:33 pm
I vote for “Effete” , though he does appoint and hire many street brawling thugs to do the dirty work.
Tommy Maddox
October 21st, 2009
5:41 pm
Cynthia, why are you confused? We are witnessing a spineless wimp dishing out Chicago politics.
Paul
October 21st, 2009
8:14 pm
My impression is the weak, passive (haven’t heard ‘effette’) is in reference international relations, while the Chicago streetbrawler epithet is used to describe his Administration’s going after domestic dissidents.
So it’s weak abroad, tough at home.
In the domestic arena it appears to be more of having underlings do the dirty work while he remains aloof from the mess.
Interesting characterization about the international front, though. He’s a man who chooses his words carefully. When he said there is nothing he would not do to keep Iran from getting a nuke, and he followed it up with a pretty hair-raising speech shortly thereafter… well, ‘there’s nothing I would not do’ is the same as “I would do anything.” Considering the full spectrum open to a president, that’s pretty chilling.
Unless people think that was candidate Obama speaking and isn’t true of President Obama.
Reality Ck
October 21st, 2009
10:08 pm
“Republicans have no intention on working with the White House on anything. So if the GOP is upset, the president’s tactics are working.”
Cindy, your “writing” is an insult to those of us who actually recognize a player when we see one. And believe me, we see more of Barry than we want! Inept and uninformed citizens may fall for you and the liberals’ lines blaming Republicans and using your “tactics” but those of us with half a brain see right through it.
Change is coming Ms. Tucker and it’s not the change your idol’s tactics are trying to bring.
Reginald Lungee
October 21st, 2009
10:23 pm
Tucker, quit being such a pester.
someguy
October 21st, 2009
10:45 pm
Obama is a thin skinned wuss and showing who is really is. What happened to “Change”? Power corrupts!
Kamchak
October 21st, 2009
10:47 pm
Washington pundits have started opining about whether he’s tough enough for the job and whether he incites enough fear in his opponents.
Well Glenn Beck has asked his viewers to pray for his protection.
Following the White House’s recent criticism of Fox News for its conservative slant, Glenn Beck and other conservative media have fearmongered that the Obama administration will harm Fox News and its supporters — physically or otherwise — because of their opposition to its policies. Since September alone, Beck has asked listeners to “pray for protection,” compared Fox News to Jews during the Holocaust, and suggested the White House was pointing missiles at Fox News, and Newt Gingrich asked on Hannity if the administration would subject Fox News commentators to the Chinese “Cultural Revolution” because of their objections.
OldEnoughToKnow
October 21st, 2009
11:20 pm
The Obama administration is the most corrupt in modern times. Much more so than Nixon. Nixon was a misguided Patriot. Obama wants to “fundamentally change” America. Translated, that means he wants to throw out the parts of the Constitution that don’t suit him, his radical buddies, and you Johnny-come-lately liberal Southerners. Is that an oxymoron?
Before you make fun of or discredit Glenn Beck without doing your homework, watch his show a few afternoons on the Fox News Channel at 5PM Eastern. Record it if you are at work. Glenn has the gahones to connect the dots and explain how most of America’s radical organizations are tied to Obama. Those radical organizations have agendas. Most of you won’t like those agendas once you learn of them. Glenn was correct about Van Jones and he is also right about many other aspects concerning Obama. If not, why would the White House have set their sights on discrediting Glenn and Fox News? Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity are on a daily basis exposing Obama’s true colors – and they are not red, white, and blue.
If Obama gets his way, your children and grandchildren will live in an America “radically” different from our heritage, and it won’t be better. If you think those of us who oppose Obama are racists, you need to throw out the cool aide. It’s not because he is black.
As for Cynthia’s opinions, I will admit she stirs controversy and healthy debate, but we should pray for divine intervention. Anything short of that will obviously have no effect!
samuel
October 21st, 2009
11:50 pm
Anyone who compares Obama to Richard Nixon is insane. Richard Nixon is the closest we’ve had to a psychopath as President in my lifetime. To those who think Obama is weak with our enemies, most of them have never taken up arms in the defense of this country. Remember that sitting in a radio or TV studio, or in the halls of Congress and talking tough is not the same as being tough. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and their ilk have never been in the service, even though Limbaugh, in particular, was old enough to fight in Vietnam. I wonder why he didn’t join. Was he so fat and out of shape, even at 18 (in 1969), that he was rejected? I think that he’s been trying to compensate ever since.
miracleair
October 22nd, 2009
1:17 am
Andy Dufrane, our current president did not receive anywhere near the highest number of popular votes, electoral votes, nor the highest percentage of votes in presidential election history. There are a number of presidents far ahead of him in all 3 categories.
Cindy: “So if the GOP is upset, the president’s tactics are working.” I thought his tactics were going to include bipartisanship and “reaching across the aisle”, but maybe I misunderstood the campaign promises. By the way, nobody in their right mind would accuse Obama of being a “street brawler” — he can’t even throw a baseball, after all. My guess is that Alexander’s comments were directed at Emanuel, who specializes in smears, subterfuge, and general dirty work. As an up-close and personal observer of Obama’s race against Rush a few years back, I can confirm that the “effete” tag attached to Obama is spot on.
Ray
October 22nd, 2009
1:31 am
Why do you not publish Cynthia’s e-mail address? I used to communicate directly with her.
samuel
October 22nd, 2009
2:10 am
miracleair@ on October 22, 2009@1:17am, You are correct that Obama did not receive the most electoral votes or the highest percentage of votes in U.S. history. However, he did receive the highest number of popular votes in U.S. history (over 69 million votes). He defeated John McCain by almost 10 million popular votes.
old91A10
October 22nd, 2009
2:25 am
@OldEnoughToKnow
Absolutely!
More crudely, The Obama Special: Crap Sandwich with plenty of Mao.
miracleair
October 22nd, 2009
2:59 am
Samuel, I should’ve looked that up before spouting off
. It stands to reason, given the large total number of voters in the election.
TnGelding
October 22nd, 2009
5:50 am
I think Alexander will work with him, and he’s certainly right in what he said. Whether it applies to the president or not is debatable, tho. It’s the Democrats he needs to crack the whip on. These are perilous times.
deborahinAthens
October 22nd, 2009
7:10 am
You people that are so disparaging of this administration looked the other way for eight years while Dubya, Cheney, Rove (the most corrupt, evil human ever to have his fingers in the pie), Rumsfeld, et al. ran this country into the ground. Where were your howls of protest when Bush unilaterally put a 30% tariff on lumber and steel, driving the price of construction through the roof? Where were you when there were highly secret closed door meetings with people in the oil business that wrote energy policy for this country, causing gas to hit the highest prices ever (even though there was a glut of oil)? Where were you when Bush rammed the most expensive entitlement program in our history down our throats while LYING about its cost to the American people? Where were you…oh, I what’s the use. You were all sitting at the feet of the fat bloviators that spew lies and hate. You suck it up like a sponge. The American people voted. Were wiped out the trash, and you can’t bear it. Either get on board and try to nurse this broken country back to health, or shut up and get out of the way.
Paul
October 22nd, 2009
7:44 am
“Republicans have no intention on working with the White House on anything.”
Rep Alexander just gave an interview in which he spoke of how he’d been working with the Education Secretary and twice called President Obama ‘courageous.’
“Republicans have no intention on working with the White House on anything.”
Sound bites. Sound like a zinger but insult the intelligence.
Michael
October 22nd, 2009
9:12 am
Fox Headline – “Is Fox Part of a Larger White House Enemies List?” Lamar is just saying whats he is told to say by his masters.
Scott
October 22nd, 2009
10:05 am
Kamchak…..Your poll is funny because other polls suggest otherwise. Rasmussen has it that 42% approve of the plan as written. An AP poll says 40% want reform. So, you use a poll from Washington Post/ABC for your evidence. ABC News, the same organization that was in-bed with Obama on the healthcare thing from the beginning? ABC News, the same org. that actually hosted a showed dedicated to healthcare reform in the White House? Yeah, that seems like a logical selection. It is also funny that when you look at the same poll you gave us, less than half have confidence in Obama’s ability to make the right decisions for this country. Less than half believe he has accomplished anything in his first 9 months. Last, why don’t you cite a poll that isn’t as severely slanted towards the Democrat party? Look at the percentage of those polled that are Rep versus those that are Dem. I also find it amusing how the historic results are only shown when they favored the Dem party. Why is that? I guess that I should expect to stop seeing Washington Postt/ABC performing polls pretty soon because thigns sure are not getting any better.
qc
October 22nd, 2009
11:04 am
No matter what BO does, or does not do, some will always give him a pass. But remember, many can see this, and are not buying it any more.
OldEnoughToKnow
October 22nd, 2009
11:30 am
To Samuel, Oct 21st, 11:50 – what does being overweight have to do with political views? Did you serve in the military during Vietnam? Did you serve in Southeast Asia? Are you old enough to have voted for or against Nixon? Were you out of diapers during Watergate? Did you live the history you reference or perhaps your views are from that liberal education.
Obama is a radical with complete ties to some of the most radical organizations on earth. No, they don’t bomb, or at least not anymore. However, if they get their way via Obama the USA will become part of a new world order and our Constitution will be thrown away one piece at a time.
As to Obama being weak, it appears he took lessons from Jimmy Carter. Oh, were your around for Carter’s wonderful administration? He was and continues to be a complete embarrassment.
Kamchak
October 22nd, 2009
1:34 pm
Last, why don’t you cite a poll that isn’t as severely slanted towards the Democrat party?
I used that poll because it was the most recent–as you are repeating the most recent anti talking points. Right on cue, and just as media matters is reporting what your pundits are saying.
Numerous conservative media figures have attacked a recently released ABC News/Washington Post poll that found that 57 percent of respondents supported “having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans,” with Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich reportedly claiming that “this poll was deliberately rigged and produced a result that’s fundamentally false” and that “It’s a typical Washington Post effort to slant the world in favor of liberal Democrats” and Rush Limbaugh calling the poll “totally fraudulent.”
Kamchak
October 22nd, 2009
1:56 pm
Look at the percentage of those polled that are Rep versus those that are Dem.
Yeah Gingrich as much as said that too.More from media matters on the polling sample
ABC News polling director: Poll is “in accord with most other recent good-quality surveys measuring political partisanship.” Responding to Gingrich’s attack on the poll, ABC News polling director Gary Langer wrote:
To examine Gingrich’s concern, consider the partisan self-identification reported in other recent publicly released polls rated as airworthy by ABC News standards. They range from 18 to 27 percent Republican, averaging 21 percent — almost precisely the same as our estimate.
Another place to look is at our own ABC/Post polls this year, to see if our 20 percent estimate is an outlier. Not: Per the table below, it’s almost identical to the 21 percent Republican self-identification in our last poll, and very near the 23 percent average we’ve seen across our polls this year:
[...]
Nor is this out of pattern with the long-term trend in political partisanship in this country.
This is, however not the first time Gingrich has accused polls as being false. Maybe you were too young to remember the former speaker in his heyday.
Not new for Gingrich to attack poll results he doesn’t like as “deliberately rigged.” According to The New York Times, in 1995, when Gingrich was speaker of the House, he responded to a CBS News/New York Times poll finding that respondents disapproved of Republican plans for tax and Medicare cuts by saying, ” ‘This poll is a disgraceful example of disinformation. … What we get are deliberately rigged questions that are totally phony that come out the morning of the vote’ on the House’s tax and spending bill.” [The New York Times, 10/27/95]
Scott
October 22nd, 2009
4:26 pm
Kamchak, Apparently, the moderator wasn’t happy with my response and took it down. I don’t know why. There was nothing wrong with it, nothing vulgar, and no namecalling. I guess they just couldn’t handle the truth. I will make this one much briefer.
1. I don’t listen to Rush or Newt for my thoughts. In fact, I can’t stand them myself.
2. Everybody learns in stats that you should always question a polls source. Who is funding it and what/how were the questions asked. It is an WashingtonPost/Abc News poll. ABC news kicked off the entire healthcare reform push in the White House. Who would you think they are going to ensure the data looks favorably for? The questions were written in a way that made the person think that government healthcare was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I guarantee I can create a poll where a majority of Americans would agree that smoking is the most healthy habit in the world and that parents should get their kids to try it. There was a video where I guy runs around an all-womens college and find that most of the students polled agreed that women’s suffrage should be abolished. All I am saying is you cannot trust the data.
3. You failed to address the other questions. So….the poll says a majority want a public option, something Obama is driving. A majority also say that they do not trust Obama to make decisions that are right for the country. I can interpret that to say that a majority of American think that Obama, by pushing a public option, is going to take this country down the wrong direction because most people don’t think he makes decisions that are best for the country. See how twisted these polls are???? I have 2 polls that say something contrary to the one you posted and I know they are skewed too. But….2-3 skewed polls point towards my thoughts on a public option so I must be correct in saying that the majority of Americans do not want a public option.
Scott
October 22nd, 2009
4:27 pm
Kamchak, Apparently, the moderator wasn’t happy with my response and took it down. I don’t know why. There was nothing wrong with it, nothing vulgar, and no namecalling. I guess they just couldn’t handle the truth. I will make this one much briefer.
1. I don’t listen to Rush or Newt for my thoughts. In fact, I can’t stand them myself.
2. Everybody learns in stats that you should always question a polls source. Who is funding it and what/how were the questions asked. It is an WashingtonPost/Abc News poll. ABC news kicked off the entire healthcare reform push in the White House. Who would you think they are going to ensure the data looks favorably for? The questions were written in a way that made the person think that government healthcare was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I guarantee I can create a poll where a majority of Americans would agree that smoking is the most healthy habit in the world and that parents should get their kids to try it. There was a video where I guy runs around an all-womens college and find that most of the students polled agreed that women’s suffrage should be abolished. All I am saying is you cannot trust the data.
3. You failed to address the other questions. So….the poll says a majority want a public option, something Obama is driving. A majority also say that they do not trust Obama to make decisions that are right for the country. I can interpret that to say that a majority of American think that Obama, by pushing a public option, is going to take this country down the wrong direction because most people don’t think he makes decisions that are best for the country. See how twisted these polls are???? I have 2 polls that say something contrary to the one you posted and I know they are skewed too. But….2 out of 3 skewed polls point towards my thoughts on a public option so I must be correct in saying that the majority of Americans do not want a public option.
Kamchak
October 22nd, 2009
4:41 pm
The questions were written in a way that made the person think that government healthcare was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Wow, you take spin to a new level.
Lets look at the wording of that question again:
8. Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?
The government will create a new plan. It will compete with other plans. How do you feel about that? I see no bias in that question
Wayne Weaver
October 23rd, 2009
1:39 pm
Obviously most of you are getting all of
what you may think of as news from the Fox channel.Fox is not news. Obama has
reached out to those on the right as far
as I’m concerned to much.
Dick Hertz
October 23rd, 2009
6:10 pm
Conservatives want to have the power to have multiple incompatible things be true at the same time in their frenzy to slather Obama with their hate. Is he an atheist Marxist who is a secret Muslim who attends a radical black church? All at once. He is a fascist socialist communist and part of the secret Masonic cabal. All at once. He is the omnipotent wuss. He is robbing taxpayers by trying to reduce their health care costs. By saving jobs and companies with government loans he is destroying the economy. By negotiating with people he disagrees with instead of bombing them immediately he is surrendering us. By not endorsing our extremist vices and enacting them into law he is aiding extremists.
It’s a madness Lewis Carroll would enjoy.
MadSat
October 24th, 2009
1:06 pm
Ok, I want a totally public insurance system, covers every single US citizen, no opt out whatsoever and one charge for everyone, same charge for everyone, copay to never be more than 25$. Foreign citizens here for a short term pay when they come in, unless they are coming in for the purpose of treatment, pay their fees for six months on entry, pay again every six months or get deported. You come in for treatment, you pay cash or deal with an insurance company from where ever you are from. Doctors that don’t want to do business that way are totally free to pack up and move to another country, same as if they want to dispense Laetrile.
Now you pubs, you wanted to know WHO wanted a public insurance system? ME, that’s who, the guy who has voted against you in every election for 40 years now. So stuff a sock in it.
E.J. Jones
October 26th, 2009
6:27 pm
Why is she writing this?