The return of the vast rightwing conspiracy

As a former Republican that gave up on the party eight years ago, I am disheartened to see how easily the Democrats are caving. I voted for Obama because I wanted radical healthcare reform with a SINGLE PAYER OPTION. I have an excellent job with good insurance, but if and when I retire, we will not be able to get insurance because my husband has a pre-existing condition. Everyone I know that has lived in Great Britain, France or Cananda have loved their health care system. The last numbers I saw show that Great Britain ranks 18th in healthcare among industrialized nations. The US is 37th. Our representatives are buckling under the screams and rants of idiots that don’t know, and don’t want to know the facts. By the way, the other major reasons I voted for Obama is that I thought he would close Guantanamo and end the war. It is insane that the United State sanctions holding anyone as a prisoner without charging them with a crime and having a trial to decide guilt or innocence. I also want the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over and done with. They are rat holes down which we are pouring billions that will not serve our interests. That money can be used to fund our deficit. The Dems have caved on these promises also. I am sick that I can no longer trust any representative to do what they promised. I am very disappointed in President Obama. I thought he would be different.

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Typical Tucker hypocrisy.

Just to be clear: liberals protesting policies they don’t approve of is admirable, conservatives doing the exact same thing is a “right-wing conspiracy”.

It is amusing that Tucker is such a hypocrite that she can talk about “conspiracies”, yet label those who dare to disagree with her intrinsically correct views as “paranoid”. What a hypocrite.

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It’s not republicans who are PAYING people to show up and protest. It’s not republicans PAYING to have people bused in and providing them with professionally painted signs. NO, that’s the CONSIPIRACY of SEIU and AARP and other LIBERAL groups. Since when do a few radio hosts and commentators urging people to express their views to their elected officials constitute a “right-wing” conspiracy. There was no conspiracy then and there’s certainly not one now. Why is it that when the agenda of the left gets questioned, the left attack the questioners? There is no vitriol like that of you people who support this president and this socialist agenda and that is proved by the personal attacks you make to defend yourself. You have shown yourselves for the hypocrites you are.

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I’m baaaaaccckkk.

A simple minded column for simple minded people, typical Queen Pinko.

More citizens identify themselves as political conservatives than as political liberals in every state in the U.S., according to results of a Gallup Poll announced yesterday.

There’s your conspiracy, right there^^.

If I’m wrong and Tuck is right, perhaps somebody can explain why Obozo kampaigned as a Conservative?

Tax cuts?

More troops in Afghanistan?

These are policy planks of the democrat party?

And why, pray tell, did Sotomayor parrot Clarence Thomas at here Senate Confirmation hearing?

Is she a vast white winger?

Munch on your comfort food, dullards, it’s all ya got.

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You misspelled Pittsburgh.

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[...] The return of the vast rightwing conspiracy [Atlanta Journal-Constitution] [...]

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“But it wouldn’t take much for one of these angry gunslingers to do some real damage at a public gathering.”

Which is secretly what you want, isn’t it Tucker? A little mayham from a civil war reenactor would really seal the deal on gun control, health control, mind control etc. That’s why you would rather sling mud and demonize than ’seek bi-partisanship’ (remember that column? Who wrote that?) I guess if you goad the public long enough you will get what you ask for.

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Cynthia –
Please remind us about how President O’bama (thank you, norman) won the election, and has a mandate for change. How he is empowered to fix the climate, and health care. And close Gitmo this year. And no new taxes on the middle class. Please? I need a laugh.

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The goal of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is to protect the People of the US and our US Constitution from the actions of the Less Vast Left Wing Conspiracy has never stopped.

It never will.

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Joey
Where were you guys from 2000-2008??????????????????

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The goal of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy is to rule America by whatever means necessary — totalitarianism or theocracy — in order enable the Big Corporations to make our laws and to keep Americans trembling with fear…

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Mike’s room temperature IQ and associated Rush Limbaugh talking points are pretty typical are they not?

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What is a “admirable conservative” Mike? I’ve never seen one of those. Unless being a hateful, bigoted, scared shi%less, angry at the world cretin is what you are talking about.

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ilk – I really hate that word. It’s completely overused in these political discussions.

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Pass health care reform with a public option then pass immigration reform, and vast right wingnut crowd is dead in the water forever. They understand this and therefore their behavior. I am waiting for one of them to draw his gun at one of these meetings. You know it’s coming, and when the Secret Service blows him away these fools will use that as a rallying cry. No more ignorant group has ever been collectively assembled as these right wing ignoramuses. But guess what? They live by the sword and they will die by it. Good riddance to right wing rubbish.

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Jay “Numbnuts” Bookwoman

August 19th, 2009
9:28 am

Look in the mirror “Cindy” Lou Whoo

If I do that I will see you looking back at me and the thought of that is way too horrible to contemplate.

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Hey – I resemble that remark!!!

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Where were you Sam S?

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Cynthia, your an idiot. When all else fails lets stur the pot once again by claiming racism. People that have legitimate problems with government health care express there views. Do you even know these people? Have you talked to them? On what do you base your comments of racism? Simple because we disagree doesn’t make me a racist. I didn’t vote for Obama because he was black, but because I don’t want to live in a socialist country. I have voted in the past for Dylan Glenn and Herman Cain, two black men, because I agree with their views. Why don’t you have an intelligent conversation about why we don’t like this health care bill instead of resorting to name calling.

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The idea that a handful (if that) of loud, gun-toting knuckleheads can shout down Ms. Tucker and the vast left-leaning media empire is downright laughable. So how many “criticizing the critics” columns must we endure before someone as bright and eloquent as Ms. Tucker takes a stab at telling us specifically why they feel that President Obama’s healthcare plan is the answer. And not just because he says it is, please.

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Be honest, Cynthia… how frustrated were you that the guy carrying the machine gun at the townhall meeting was black?

YOU COULDN’T ACCUSE HIM OF RACISM!!!!! Because, after all, that’s the ONLY reason someone would disagree with messiah Obama, right?

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Of course Cynthia Tucker/McKinney can’t form a cohesive explanation as to why the protestors are wrong – just resorts to the same lame Democrap luney-tunes strategy of name calling and faux racism.

It would be nice if the AJC employed a writer intelligent enough to actually comment on National matters instead of the tired old crap we’ve gotten from this woman for years. No wonder they can’t sell newspapers anymore!

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Fascinating commentary by the unabashed liberal.

I find it interesting that it is OK for the dems to leverage Acorn, but it is a conspiracy for ordinary people to ask legitimate questions of their congressman. The problem with Cynthia and her ilk is that they are really afraid of the normal process of governance as defined in that inconvenient document called the constitution. If you think about it, most of the great liberal accomplishments are the result of activity through the courts. Much of the great FDR’s social program was ruled unconsitutional after the court returned to form. Remember, he packed the court to make sure that things would not get stopped. When dems have to deal with the messy process of convincing people that their ideas are good, they resort to exactly what we see here.

Unlike some people who have commented on this blog, there are a whole lot of people who have seen how poorly Obamacare works in places like Canada and England. They don’t want it.

So, they show up in places like town hall meetings with their congress person and they ask questions. They express their opinion.

It’s not a conspiracy, Cynthia dear, it’s a representative democracy and people are telling their representatives what they think.

In fact, if you think about it, Obama has done a great job of uniting the country. Millions of people are united in their opposition to his plan!

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mike August 19th, 2009 7:52 am SAID: You ever notice that none of the health care reform’s supporters never make a case for their policy? Instead they just tell us that they hate conservatives. We knew that you felt that way already folks. How about making the case for the policy that you support instead of just trying to demonize its opponents?

CHRIS SAYS: Make a case for the policy we support? Like Health Care Reform? Here’s our case: Read the f*cking bill. Also, go to some truly NON-Partisan websites such as http://www.politifact.co or http://www.factcheck.org to filter out the lies being spread by conservative idiots. You know, like those lies about “Death Panels” spread and backed by conservatives, which have no basis in fact.

While you’re at it, name me one corporation tied to health care, insurance or pharma that is in favor or funding groups SUPPORTING reform? I can name you countless of the same corporate interests that are funding the opposition to reform. Which pretty much confirms the fact that most conservatives cannot think for themselves and are mindless tools to corporate special interests. You know, like those folks holding up signs saying “KEEP GOVT. OUT OF MY MEDICARE!”.

Here’s a fact: You folks in the opposition have the likes of Glenn Beck supporting you, we have FACTS. Enough said.

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Don’t come here much, but ncgrebr’s 11:26 was interesting.

“…tell us where she mentions race in her column today.”

Today. Very good.

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Pat Phelps August 19th, 2009 10:36 am SAID: People that have legitimate problems with government health care express there views. Do you even know these people? Have you talked to them?
CHRIS SAYS: What legitimate problems? All we progressives hear is talk of “socialism”, which is laughable. So Pat, are you in favor of eliminating Medicare, because that’s a “socialist” government program if there ever was one. Lets not forget the nonsense about “Death Panels”, or rationed care, or that illegals will be provided free health care, etc. Name me a few of those legitimate concerns? PLEASE.

Pat Phelps August 19th, 2009 10:36 am SAID:On what do you base your comments of racism? Simple because we disagree doesn’t make me a racist. I didn’t vote for Obama because he was black, but because I don’t want to live in a socialist country.
CHRIS SAYS: Did you call GW Bush a “socialist” when he introduced the Medicare Prescription Program? No? I didn’t think so? Do you even know what the word “socialist” means??? Look it up and you’ll then understand why each time you conservatives bring it up, we have a good laugh or think you’re retarded.

HERE”S THE DEFINITION: A Socialist state is defined as one where the majority of the means of economic production are in the hands of the State (or in our case, the federal government). In the case of the United States, 99.9% of economic production is in private hands.

BTW, Germany, France, the UK, etc are all countries that are based on market based capitalist economies. They also have some form subsidized health care. You define these countries as socialist???

So, Pat, do you now understand why all us progressives are laughing at you???

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ctucker August 19th, 2009 11:23 am SAID: Pat, Where in the world did I say anything about race or racism in that column?

CHRIS SAYS: The only one with the racial issues here is Pat Phelps. Yeah, Pat, PLEASE tell us where Cynthia Tucker say anything about race in her column??? Please enlighten us ………

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“Despite the insistence of Republican leaders that the tea-party crowd and the town-hall protestors are merely concerned individuals who have spontaneously made the decision to shout and yell threats at public meetings, the protests are, in fact, prodded by networks of conservative activists. Richard Mellon Scaife, a Pittsburg billionaire who is the financial lifeblood of ultra-conservative activism, is a contributor, according to The Washington Post.”

Would someone explain the difference between George Soros funding the radical left (moveon.org) and Richard Mellon Scaife funding the conservative movement?

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Peter Mokhiber August 19th, 2009 11:42 am SAID: I strongly believe that I can make better, more economical decisions regarding my health care than a disconnected government oversight group. For one, I do not believe the government is an efficient deliverer of services to the general population and they do not have the authority to demand I participate.

CHRIS SAYS: So Peter, you’re against the mandate requiring you to carry an appropriate level of insurance on the car that you drive? So its okay to require you to carry insurance on your car but not on yourself?

BTW, so who ends up paying for your medical care when you choose not to carry any health insurance, or only limited health insurance? WE ALL DO after you declare bankruptcy. BTW, over 50% of all personal bankruptcies in this country are related to health care costs. So, who do you think ends up paying for all these unpaid bills?

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Chris – to question whether people have “legitimate problems” with the bill depicts a level of arrogance. There are a lot of people who have legitimate disagreements with the contents of the bill that is being debated in the house. These include:
a) The whole concept of the CER which will determine which treatments are “effective” and tie doctors to those treatments. If the government decides, like they have in the UK, that cardiac catheterizations and cardiac stents do not offer adequate improvement of quality of life, they can refuse to pay for them after a certain age. In the UK that age is 59. That means that people with cardiac disease cannot get effective treatment. I strongly oppose this.
b) We have a current model for the end of life consulting that is operating in the VA today. The guidebook for this consulting was written primarily by an ardent assisted suicide advocate.
c) In certain kinds of situations, there is a marked difference in the effectiveness of different forms of certain drugs. My spouse responds well to a name brand drug for migraines. The generic equivalent provides no relief. If the plan allows a government board to decide which medicine can be dispensed, I have a legitimate disagreement with that.

Finally, Chris, there are a lot of people who have had interactions with government operations who are literally scared of what would happen to health care in this country. Ever tried to deal with the post office? In addition, there are millions of believe who profoundly believe that market solutions ultimately end up being vastly superior at lower cost.
The real problem with Obamacare is not the words that people use. It is that the dems are unwilling to make their case in the marketplace of ideas and convince people as to why it would be better. The life experiences of many create legitimate reservations that they are expressing to representatives who react with arrogance. This breeds the levels of distrust and resistance that we are seeing from plain old thoughtful everyday citizens.

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Delete either showed or turned.

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Tucker is up to her prejudices again. She badsshed the bush administration everytime she could and now blast those who stand up for their rights. Al Frankin and George Soros bought the Senate seat, no word. ACLU, AARP, Acorn bus their people into town halss and no word from Tucker. If you believein your freedom and personal rights, do not look for Tucker to be on your side. She wants to be on the government plantation – craddle to grave.

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Would someone explain the difference between George Soros funding the radical left (moveon.org) and Richard Mellon Scaife funding the conservative movement?

Heck, what would you call the federal government funding ACORN and other assorted health care supporters?

This lib doesn’t seem to know she’s in a glass house.

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proud old guy August 19th, 2009 12:06 pm SAID:
a) The whole concept of the CER which will determine which treatments are “effective” and tie doctors to those treatments. If the government decides, like they have in the UK, that cardiac catheterizations and cardiac stents do not offer adequate improvement of quality of life, they can refuse to pay for them after a certain age. In the UK that age is 59. That means that people with cardiac disease cannot get effective treatment. I strongly oppose this.
CHRIS SAYS: POG (Proud Old Guy), that’s a good point isn’t this is supposition on your part. We don’t know which treatments will be called ineffective. Also, doesn’t Medicare already cover this? Isn’t this reform bill currently meant for those folks who a) Are not on Medicare (b) Have no insurance (c) Are on single payer plans and (d) On single payer plans that exclude pre-existing conditions.

proud old guy August 19th, 2009 12:06 pm SAID:
b) We have a current model for the end of life consulting that is operating in the VA today. The guidebook for this consulting was written primarily by an ardent assisted suicide advocate.
CHRIS SAYS: End of life consulting is primarily meant to ensure everyone has a living will. In fact, many Republicans supported this measure, in one form or another, in the past. This myth of a “death panel” has been debunked various times, again and again. Also, I don’t believe that the VA in any way supports assisted suicide at all, inspite of who wrote it.

proud old guy August 19th, 2009 12:06 pm SAID:
c) In certain kinds of situations, there is a marked difference in the effectiveness of different forms of certain drugs. My spouse responds well to a name brand drug for migraines. The generic equivalent provides no relief. If the plan allows a government board to decide which medicine can be dispensed, I have a legitimate disagreement with that.
CHRIS SAYS: Again, since you’re an “OLD” guy (I’m wildly guessing here), isn’t that already covered under your Medicare Prescription Plan? By the way, many private insurance plans don’t cover many brand drugs. HOWEVER, there is no government board mentioned in this bill that can decide what medicine can be dispensed. I’ve read through the bill and haven’t come across that.

proud old guy August 19th, 2009 12:06 pm SAID:
Finally, Chris, there are a lot of people who have had interactions with government operations who are literally scared of what would happen to health care in this country. Ever tried to deal with the post office? In addition, there are millions of believe who profoundly believe that market solutions ultimately end up being vastly superior at lower cost.
CHRIS SAYS: I think that the Post Office is a pretty bad example. Most people I know, are pretty happy with Medicare, which is a health INSURANCE program. The VA is a bad example since this program involves the ENTIRE HEALTH CARE CYCLE including HOSPITAL and SPECIALIST CARE. The Health Care Reform bill is aimed at health INSURANCE plans and how to pay for them.

proud old guy August 19th, 2009 12:06 pm SAID:
The real problem with Obamacare is not the words that people use. It is that the dems are unwilling to make their case in the marketplace of ideas and convince people as to why it would be better. The life experiences of many create legitimate reservations that they are expressing to representatives who react with arrogance. This breeds the levels of distrust and resistance that we are seeing from plain old thoughtful everyday citizens.
CHRIS SAYS: I agree with some of what you wrote here. I’ve heard some politicians complain that the Bill is over 1,000 pages long. Aren’t they paid to read through this? Why else are they there? HOWEVER, the entire reform bill is available online. There are also NON-PARTISAN websites, not tied to any corporate or political interests that are available to debunk many myths that are thrown around about this reform bill. The two websites that I know of are: http://www.factcheck.org and http://www.politifact.com

FINALLY, please remember that this bill is primarily an INSURANCE bill.

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What you write is true and insightful. However, I sure there are, but am ignorant of the names of the interests on the other side of this political battle and would like to know what those are as well. Thanks for your hard work, Cynthia.

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Chris, Yes the government runs Medicare and has bankrupted the program. Social Security is all but bankrupt and probably will not be around when I retire. The United States Senate could not even run their own cafeteria without screwing it up and bankrupting it. So explain to me how the government will pay for and administer a trillion dollar program without bankrupting it?

The father of moderm day socialism said, “from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.” How is this program different than that quote from Karl Marx?

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Cynthia, actually the nut case Republicans started back with their non-sense last summer during the presidential campaign. “Hussein” Obama, flag pin, birth certificate, ACORN, Michelle and all of the other non-sense was all Republicans could talk about. Those were their issues.

Now all of the sudden a real issue comes up and they act like a bunch of spoiled brats that had a toy taken away. They still aren’t even focused on the issue. Now we have the Nazi claims, the socialist name game, stuffing guns all over your body to make a point, and still more birther nonsense.

This kind of idiocy on the part of Republicans is very self-destructive. Instead of the Democrats Republicans should be trying to get rid of every last Republican leader for allowing their party to be hijacked.

Of course the Democrats now control the federal government with a super-majority in the House, filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency.

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People still read this paper?

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Danny X…if I remember correctly the first lady of the Democratic party, the lovely Nancy Polesi, started the Nazi name calling. Were you just as outraged at that? Did you call and complain to her? Of course not, because there is a double standard on the left.

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CT wrote: “But ideologues like DeMint and Newt Gingrich have made it pretty clear that they’re not interested in finding the best approach on public policy or in helping Americans cope with skyrocketing health care costs. They just want to win political battles.”

And whenever possible bring up the bogeyman Newt Gingrich to get the libs in a tizzy. If Ms. Tucker would take the time to actually listen to Mr. Gingrich, she would know that he has substantial proposals that would address the issue that aren’t just about winning political battles.

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Chris…I would not even begin to talk about racism, so you will need to be enlightened somewhere else. I will say that on the Chris Matthews show Cynthia Tucker presumed to judge the people attending these Town Hall meetings by saying that 45% to 65% are there simply because Barak Obama is black. Are you as outraged at those comments as you are at mine? Probably not, because I would say you agree.

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James Dickey was right about us: Progressives took a wrong turn on the way to “Aintry”, and are ill prepared for the vicious reaction from a world to be left behind.

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If the guy at the meeting with the AR-15 was a black guy, he was the whitest black guy I ever saw.

As for the guy that was interviewed with the handgun, he was flakier than my mother’s pie crust!

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Here in esence is what we have the right to do and what we OUGHT to do

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”,

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Cynthia,
I think your right-wing conspiracy is really just ordinary folks like me. I’m not political. Never been to a rally and don’t listen to talk radio. what I do see is a trillion dollar government plan on top of the hundreds of billions already spent in the last year. This crushing legacy of debt isn’t something I want to leave for my children.

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Randy:

“Amendment 16 – Status of Income Tax Clarified. Ratified 2/3/1913.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

for part 1 of your question, for part 2, I imagine they think they’re promoting the general welfare. It’s in the preamble though and doesn’t seem to be supported by much of anything. They’re (both Republican and Democrat) supposed to also secure the blessings of liberty and there are a number of other rules for them follow, but it doesn’t seem to bother them too much to ignore those.

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The best thing Cynthia Tucker ever wrote was her essay on how gun violence was the real epidemic in this country and not the flu. I wrote a long response to that one and then realized that if she isn’t willing to do even the most superficial research (guns kill under 30,000 Americans a year, over half of which are suicides, while the flu kills over 60,000) then it really wasn’t worth the effort. While I refuse to commit to a specific party line, it’s the fighting fools on both sides that make me root for the flu.

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I’m curious why Gingrich was on the talk show the other Sunday talking down the end of life consultations when he did a op-ed piece a month ago PRAISING the end of life consultations that a Lutheran group in Wisconson does that would save 33 BILLION in Medicare cost (Gringrich’s words).

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@Azazel,

I would argue that the preamble doesn’t present the actual duties of government, but what their duties are ideally meant to accomplish. The government should create an environment that ensures domestic tranquility and promotes the general welfare. There’s nothing to support the conclusion that the government should involve itself in the personal lives of Americans as thoroughly as giving them healthcare. The idea of a welfare state didn’t appear until the 19th or 20th centuries, well after the ratification of the constitution.

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Once again, this racist, left-wing, lunatic opens her idiotic mouth, and garbage, without the basis of any FACTS comes out.
You wanna sell more papers? Get rid of this crazy moonbat!

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YES!

Let us ALL (including the writer of this article) call each other names!

That’s the solution to our problems.

Name Calling!

What a great idea!

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Cynthia Tucker-McKinney….I’m SURE it just an oversight on your part..but you failed to mention the ACORN people, SEIU people, and the other Union “thugs” that were brought in on buses to these Town Hall meetings. They actually had video footage of these. Where is your video of the “right wing conspirators” being brought in? ….Hmmmmm???

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[...] The return of the vast rightwing conspiracy However liberals protesting policies they don’t approve of is admirable, and supports human rights, conservatives doing the exact same thing is a ‘right-wing conspiracy’. [...]

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Randyinathens August 19th, 2009 1:25 pm
“This is the part every single Republican and Libertarian should seize upon.”

This is from the Declaration of Independence. It is not from the Constitution.

Jimbo & Azazel gave you correct Constitutional references. Actually, you just need to read the Constitution. Chief Justice Roberts recommends that every citizen read the Constitution at least one a year.

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No, health care is not mentioned in the Constitution. It doesn’t specifically address a lot of things we don’t seem to have issues with under “provide for the general welfare” and “ensure domestic tranquility”, like providing health care for wounded veterans. But according to the Constitutional argument, veterans who chose to serve their country knew they might get blown up, so screw those freeloading soldier amputees! RiA doesn’t want to “pay for healthcare for ANYBODY”. So, Wounded American Veteran, Randyinathens says to quit yer whining and get off his dime.

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The return (did it ever leave?) of left wing paranoia.

To all the Auburn people: Are you more embarrassed by Cynthia Tucker(alumni) or Robert Gibbs (grew up there)?

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Pat Phelps August 19th, 2009 12:43 pm SAID:
Chris, Yes the government runs Medicare and has bankrupted the program. Social Security is all but bankrupt and probably will not be around when I retire. The United States Senate could not even run their own cafeteria without screwing it up and bankrupting it. So explain to me how the government will pay for and administer a trillion dollar program without bankrupting it?

CHRIS SAYS:
Actually, Medicare is a very well run program (ask anyone over 65) and isn’t going bankrupt because how its run. Its going bankrupt because of how it was set up and financed. All health insurance plans are based on the 80-20 principle i.e. 80% pay for the 20% who use the system. Since Medicare is set up for older folks, that ratio doesn’t apply. That’s why the system is going bankrupt, not because its badly run. The solution: Open it up to younger folks, based on income with higher income families being allowed to opt for private health insurance.

Pat Phelps August 19th, 2009 12:43 pm SAID:
The father of moderm day socialism said, “from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.” How is this program different than that quote from Karl Marx?
CHRIS SAYS: You tell me. What does ability have to do with getting government subsidized health insurance? Right now, if you’re younger and self employed, your ABILITY to get health insurance is based on your ABILITY to pay an outrageous amount of money for it. And if you NEED it because you’re sick, God help you because no private insurance plan will cover your pre-existing conditions (that includes pregnancy).

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I do not know where you get that people in the UK and Canada like there health care benifets they hate them. I talk to people from both places almost everyday and the stories they tell are heart breaking. They have to wait for ever to see doctors and to have operations that people die waiting. Is that what we want in this country (I think not).

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Chris – four words… “Survival of the fittest”.

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Cynthia can write all about Richard Schiafe funding right wing causes but ignore left nuts such as George Soros funding left wing causes. She worries about people bringing guns to townhall meetings but ignores the fact that people have a much higher likelihood of dying in the cars they drive to the meetings. She points out that Phillip Morris funds Dick Armey’s group as if she expects PM to fund something that is not in PM’s interest.

She claims tax increases are non existent. But ignores the fact that democrats are spending money like drunken drunks.

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Conrade Cynthia you continue to support Ann Coulter’s contention “the the symbol for the Democratic Party shouldn’t be a donkey, it should be two sets of standards” (from Ann’s “How to Talk To a Liberal[if you must}”). You believe that independent and conservative groups have no right to speak out against the socialist agenda of the liberal Obamamites, but all during the 8 years of the Bush Administrations, radical liberal community organizers and groups like Obama, ACORN, Move-on, UAW, NEA, etc. and the national biased media (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, NYT, etc.)used all the same tactics.

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If I saw ACORN thugs outside trying to prevent me from voting I might also carry a gun to be ready for them. As you know this was the case during the Presidential election last November..
How absurd Ms Tucker’s arguments are–as usual–She is a Black racist who is so far left she writes in circles! If she is a Pulitzer Prize winner she must simply be a token for that award..

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Obama in the future will most assuredly be credited with two major things:

1. He presided over the beginning of the end of the Democrat Party with the arrogance, greed, and stupidity that is being displayed all throughout Congress and DC right now over these massive “I haven’t read the bills…” programs that are killing American jobs, finances, and families;

2. Obama is laying such a groundwork to the fact that after what he has displayedin leadership skills, there will never be another black man or woman to see the inside of the White House in this century, except in the catering or house cleaning services.

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Regarding guns being brought to the town hall meetings…….Were there no fear of the Acorn or SEIC thugs (sent by Obama) beating up protestors, perhaps people would feel the need to bring guns. Afterall, it was a black man that they beat up initially!

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Correction – perhaps they wouldn’t feel the need to bring guns.

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Chris – If you want to live in a commune, you MOVE THERE. Don’t ask me to pay for others blindly.

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Not Scared August 19th, 2009 3:33 pm SAID: Chris – If you want to live in a commune, you MOVE THERE. Don’t ask me to pay for others blindly.

CHRIS SAYS: Two Words: Majority Rule. They vote for it, you pay for it.

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The ultimate organizer is in the White House and you are lamenting the PEOPLE coming together to protest his policies. I used to think you had some original thinking once in awhile, Cynthia, but sadly it appears you have decided to dumb yourself down to the Jay Bookman level.

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No Chris, I won’t. Tax Cheat Tim has shown the way.

Actually, I don’t think they will pass it.

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Cynthia you’re dead on once again! I’m always amazed how a white, male, RINO (unless the GOP goes back to it’s roots) can agree with all you write. Keep it up and thanks for letting me feel somewhat sane when it’s obvious how special interest controls the masses and they don’t even know it. Reminds me of when southerners where duped into fighting for plantation owners rights…

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Azazel,

I think you have the truth of it.

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The GOP mantra “the best government is the worst government” to rid the US of gov’t programs and make it look bad is in full effect. The GOP wants to use contract labor so they can form partnerships (like Blackwater and Haliburton) but it’s proven that dedicated gov’t employees and armed servicemen are more dedicated and loyal (they just don’t donate vast sums to GOP campaigns). Look how badly the GOP governs and bankrupts the US so the Dems can’t rebuild the programs that work with real Americans who are proud to be gov’t employees.

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So, what have I learned from this feed? In summary:
1) it appears wrong to call this country the United States; if this series of posts is representative, this country appears to be composed of, mostly (with a few exceptions), selfish “individuals” who have no appreciation for socialization and no notion of how civilizations prosper, and who would deny those less fortunate than they any positive consideration;
2) it is certainly not a Christian nation where we would attempt to love our enemies as ourselves, do unto others as we would have others do unto us and that which we do or allow to be done to the lesser of us we do to ourselves.
and, finally, 3) the social benefits enjoyed today have made people fat, silly, barbarous and cruel.

Also, there appears to be gross ignorance of National Socialism.

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Chris…I am going to put my money were my mouth is. I paid it in, I expect it back when I retire. I didn’t ask to have my money with held. Taxes and social programs are a by product of you idiot liberials. It is done without my consent or my approval. So because it was taken without my approval I am asking for it back. Talk to the people that don’t pay a dime into the system yet expect to be taken care of.

I’d like to see your charitable contributions. I’m sure there are none like the rest of your liberial buddies. You want to talk big but do you walk the walk. The VP of the US, the second most powerful man in the Democratic Party had charitable contributions only in the hundreds of dollars last year. You guys run your mouths about being compassionate, but when it comes to your money you don’t do crap.

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Hard to tell if Tucker is simply looking into a mirror and can’t clearly identify George Soros, Moveon.Org, Obama’s PAC, the DNC and other left leaning groups that seem to get a pass as grass-roots artivists standing around her as she attempts to describe the conservative reflection. What a hypocrite.

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I have come to the conclusion that conservatives will always detest liberals and liberals will always detest conservatives; that Republicans are not conservatives and Democrats are not liberals; and that all of us waste inordinate amounts of time protesting things that we ultimately have no control over.

Go home, kiss your spouse, love your kids, and pray to God that we don’t kill each other before someone else does first.

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Congratulations on bringing out the red neck, illiterate, scumbags Cynthia. They dislike you for the same reason they dislike the President. They don’t complain about the war Bush started or the torture he endorsed or the billions he poured down the drain that is Iraq. They don’t complain about the billions stolen by Halliburton. They don’t demonstrate when it becomes common knowledge that Bush was spying, illegally, upon Americans. They weren’t upset when Bush started handing out fiscal assistance to companies that had engaged in fraud and theft. They, however, raise hell when Obama seeks to make health care affordable and available for all Americans. It’s all orchestrated, which is obvious, and it has a lot to do with his being black. Some of these douche bags are showing up with guns to intimidate others at the meetings. These dregs cast themselves as patriots but they are nothing more than redneck dupes attempting to coerce people by carrying firearms. They should remember that anybody in America can own guns!!

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Hey, hypocritebuster:
You would say, then, that Bush was right on the war in Iraq because of all the hate, scorn and vitriol directed at him by those who disagreed with him, right?

I didn’t think so.

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It’s surprising (not really) that when someone opposes a Democractic plan or idea, they are labled “right-wing conspiracy” but when the Democrats or left opposed anything,it was democracy inaction. Well no one had influnced me to speak out about this Health Care Plan, I simply read it (have you Cynthia?) and in addition observed what a great job government has done with running Medicare, Social Security and now can’t even pay the car dealers their money.

No one had to influence me, I simply used my brain and common sense, which seems to be way more than you have Cynthia.

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- Hypocritebuster is correct about the disproportionate
levels of insults thrown at Mrs. Tucker as opposed to
former President Bush, but not about the “cynicism”
of the opponents. What we are dealing with in this forum
as far as the far-right fringe is concerned is actually
“fanaticism”, where they are so obsessed with their
world view that anything that reflects a philosophically
mirror image is construed as “absolute evil”.

The beginning of the Declaration of Independence
states that “we hold these truths to be self-evident”,
which is an axiomatic principle of objectivity, referring
to the belief that “all men are created equal”. An
opposing viewpoint can be, in certain instances, as
important as yours. Without that view, you would have
nothing to weigh your view against. What is obvious
from the comments by the fringe is that their views
are not rooted in “opinions”, but erroneous “facts”.
President Obama never has been, and never will be,
a part of the Nazi socalist regime, because it was
dismantled by the allies in WWII. Nor will healthcare
reform give birth to a socialist order in the US,
because such an event would require major military
and paramilitary action, such as the Bolsheviks
(”majority”) seizing state power over the Mensheviks
(”minority”) in November of 1917. No such condition
exists, except in the minds of birthers and other
conspiracy theorists (and I use that term loosely).
The fringe are no more the arbiters of freedom and
democracy any more than a pack of pit bulls are
the animals of choice for farming and agriculture
production. Either we cut our losses and drop the
dead weight of political discourse, or we run the
risk losing our bearings trying to navigate in a
sea of bigotry and stupidity.

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Here we have a callow, inexperienced President who reads Soros’ talking points from a teleprompter. His reading is so much by wrote with brainwaves that are, in effect, nil that he once thanked himself at a Rose Garden.

Perhaps, rather than any sinister conspiracy, people are just angry at the audacity of a dope who would claim that: a) no increased spending; plus b) huge medicaid cuts; plus c) 46 million new patients; plus: d) adminstration by the sme government that could not smmothly run a used car giveaway program is a recipe for success.

Sorry Cindy people have a right to be mad and reject Obama-care.

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dewstar..so many words so little said

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Smoltzie August 19th, 2009 3:55 pm SAID:

Chris. You are losing the argument and you’re getting flustered. I never said KILL anyone. I said, ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE. The weak die on their own.

CHRIS SAYS: Flustered? ROFLMAO. Sorry dude, but there’s one thing that separates us from the (most) of the animal kingdom. It’s called compassion. Pity that you don’t understand that. BTW, unlike your namesake, why don’t you retire gracefully now? Your “only the fit survive” argument went the way of the dodo bird a long time ago. We’ve evolved since then………..you know what happens when you don’t evolve, right?

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Sooooo when the Unions, like the Government Motors Union, and Acorn show up to disrupt that not associated with the Demwitocrats? You make Boooookman look like a moderate. To more important thing, NASCAR…has OBOZO no shame….he would suck up to any group for a vote…

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Looks like Chris got his a$$ spanked. LOL!

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Algonquin J Calhoun – get over yourself. Not everything is about being black. That argument is old and tired. I voted for Dylan Glenn and Herman Cain, last time I checked they were both black men. The difference is I agree with their ideas. I don’t agree with Barak Obama about anything.

The simple fact is, I shouldn’t have to fund someone’s health care and I shouldn’t be forced by the government to take their health care. Being an American does not make you entitled to be taken care of by a out of control government.

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Azazel – I am not suggesting the extermination of anything except a temporary plan to fill someone coffers. I will happily become a non-producer if it is my best interest to do so. Not everyone is a Nazi who happens to believe that what they earn they should distribute as they see fit.

Speaking of the Nazi’s, you may want to compare some of today’s Liberal rhetoric with the early days of the Third Reich. You may be very surprised at how it all began.

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chris@7:25 I’m not cynthias biggest fan either,BUT I do have a subscription to the AJC, any of y’all got one? they employ georgians and they need your help.

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Pat..not likely to happen,a lot of people in the paper biz make their living with tool boxes,machinist,plumbers,ELECTRICIANs, as well as a bunch of folks that spend their days covered in ink,most all of them agree with you, but they dont drive the train,they just keep it running.

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Azazel,

I think the rhetoric of the neo-liberals is inclusive, but the reality is quite different. Being a centrist, I find both the left and the right to be fairly exclusive, stated ideals aside.

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Ms. Tucker would have more credibility if she were to write: “Remember when Dorothy took her trip to Oz? Well, she’s ba-a-ack.” That’s because I’m guessing more people believe in Dorothy’s existence than those who believe that a right wing conspiracy ever existed, or exists now.

When Ms Clinton first used the phrase “vast right wing conspiracy”while being interviewed by Matt Lauer on January 27, 1998, she could not name these conspirators, nor quantify their “vastness.” That is because they did not exist.

And yet, Ms. Tucker believes that this same vast right wing conspiracy – the one that never existed – still exists today. And she cites these dark, shadowy, and unquantifiable forces as standing in the way of all the good work President Obama and his allies seek to do.

Because she has no facts, Ms. Tucker, like Ms. Clinton, resorts to calling into question the character and motivation of those who would dare challenge President Obama’s (and her extraordinarily transparent) political agenda.

Ms Tucker is doing what children do. If children cannot understand or accept the real world, they make up fantastic, mythical worlds in which they let their minds wander to create new creatures to love or to fear.

Fortunately, children don’t bring creations from their mythical worlds into the real world. Unfortunately, this is precisely what Ms Tucker is now doing – replacing facts with amazing stories of dark and sinister people. Tragically, some readers will be lured into believing her fanciful world of vast right wing conspiracies actually exists.

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Oh Cyntihia. We are so tired og hearing that if we do not support a particular plan for health care reform that somehow we do not want any reform. The real issue is people are fed up with typical “south side Chicago” politics. Promise one thing but do another. When the plan has tort reform and ability for my existing private policy to cross state lines then I will listen. When t provides someone a tax credit with which to buy coverage rather tan just “give” it to folks, then I will listen. Yes you can tax my private plan, so long as I get the same benefits. But the President has narrowed his options for what can be touched via his campaign promises, his deal with pharma industry, the fact that he and over 80% of all members of house and senate are lawyers, etc, etc. When they are cutting deals with one side it leaves more of the “cost” of reform to be carried by the other side. This type of two faced self serving behavior is something that the majority of americans are so tired of, from both parties. They thing we are their employees. They think their job is to make their organizations bigger and more powerful. In that regard they act like a lot of corporate pencil necks. But unlike the corporations they are no for profit operations. This is OUR government and OUR money. We have no faith that they will spend it wisely.

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Yeah, well, you can’t get angry for folks using each other’s tactics! Left wingers are calling for boycotts of Fox TV hosts just like Anita Bryant used to do, and right wingers are shouting and disrupting meetings just like Abby Hoffman used to do.

Stop name and blame calling just because you can’t get something through a Congress with the biggest majorities in recent memory. Can’t anyone reason without resorting to kindergarten mentality any more?

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