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	<title>Comments on: Why can&#8217;t we discuss dying with dignity?</title>
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	<description>Political commentary from Pulitzer Prize winner Cynthia Tucker of The AJC</description>
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		<title>By: SouthernGal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2009/08/14/why-cant-we-discuss-dying-with-dignity/comment-page-2/#comment-893</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can discuss &quot;end of life&quot; with our families, lawyers, and doctors.  Why should I be forced to discuss it with my congressman?

Why is it illegal for a Doctor to give me a lethal dose of drugs when it is evident that I will not recover or will spend my last days in pain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can discuss &#8220;end of life&#8221; with our families, lawyers, and doctors.  Why should I be forced to discuss it with my congressman?</p>
<p>Why is it illegal for a Doctor to give me a lethal dose of drugs when it is evident that I will not recover or will spend my last days in pain?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas chisolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas chisolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read page 425 of health bill and get back to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read page 425 of health bill and get back to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2009/08/14/why-cant-we-discuss-dying-with-dignity/comment-page-2/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I would appreciate some sort of intelligible reply to said argument above. In reflection of this page, I quickly realize I am the only one who has stepped outside the situation, stopped looking Left and Right, and sees the greater picture, I see a 3 Dimensional image of the issue as well as how this issue has corrupted cross time.

Stop arguing about this specifics and this particularly issue, and get to the point.

The point is, this is a lesson on life and death for humankind, and it is time we evolve and step up to the plate. What would Carl Sagan, MLK, or Gandhi say? Or rather, what wouldn&#039;t they talk about. 

My point is made</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I would appreciate some sort of intelligible reply to said argument above. In reflection of this page, I quickly realize I am the only one who has stepped outside the situation, stopped looking Left and Right, and sees the greater picture, I see a 3 Dimensional image of the issue as well as how this issue has corrupted cross time.</p>
<p>Stop arguing about this specifics and this particularly issue, and get to the point.</p>
<p>The point is, this is a lesson on life and death for humankind, and it is time we evolve and step up to the plate. What would Carl Sagan, MLK, or Gandhi say? Or rather, what wouldn&#8217;t they talk about. </p>
<p>My point is made</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2009/08/14/why-cant-we-discuss-dying-with-dignity/comment-page-2/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the government really just needs to step off the issue entirely.

We were built as a Republic with Rule by Law, not to have majority groups(democracy) or plutocratic business elites tell us what to do.

Especially when it comes to end of life plans.

I don&#039;t agree with playing God and extending people&#039;s lives who are braindead or in deep suffering who should have allowed nature to take course long ago, unless they are physically there to tell us they want to go on. 

To have a binding contract that extends life past the point where the individual can cancel the contract is simply illogical and irrational.

Euthanasia is a sick and incorrect term for saying &quot;This person is by all means dead, and we should allow the natural order of things to resume as opposed to hooking them to machines to potentially live out a nightmare in their mind for the remaining duration of existence in their Human Shell&quot;.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that statement.

As society &quot;progresses&quot;, find our population fixating on new issues that completely seem to ignore the natural cycles of life and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the government really just needs to step off the issue entirely.</p>
<p>We were built as a Republic with Rule by Law, not to have majority groups(democracy) or plutocratic business elites tell us what to do.</p>
<p>Especially when it comes to end of life plans.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with playing God and extending people&#8217;s lives who are braindead or in deep suffering who should have allowed nature to take course long ago, unless they are physically there to tell us they want to go on. </p>
<p>To have a binding contract that extends life past the point where the individual can cancel the contract is simply illogical and irrational.</p>
<p>Euthanasia is a sick and incorrect term for saying &#8220;This person is by all means dead, and we should allow the natural order of things to resume as opposed to hooking them to machines to potentially live out a nightmare in their mind for the remaining duration of existence in their Human Shell&#8221;.</p>
<p>In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that statement.</p>
<p>As society &#8220;progresses&#8221;, find our population fixating on new issues that completely seem to ignore the natural cycles of life and death.</p>
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		<title>By: ER Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia hon, if it is your end of life counseling we are talking, or canceling.  I am all for it sweetie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia hon, if it is your end of life counseling we are talking, or canceling.  I am all for it sweetie.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wallach</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2009/08/14/why-cant-we-discuss-dying-with-dignity/comment-page-2/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wallach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government might fund VOLUNTARY consultations on end of life decisions.  On your dime?  Horrors!  Your dime already funds obscene health insurance company profits--the same companies that override your doctor&#039;s decision, reject your claims, and, if you look unprofitable, deny you coverage.  If you doubt any of this, have a look at the sort of loot those health insurance company CEOs get (below).  Now that&#039;s something to get mad about.

ANNUAL COMPENSATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY EXECUTIVES (2006 and 2007 figures):

• Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834

• H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million

• David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million

• Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million

• Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529

• Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771

• Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million

• Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million

• William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in retirement benefits

• Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, $1.5 million

• James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health Plans, $1.3 million

• Cleve L. Killingsworth, President/CEO Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3.6 million

• Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million

• Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group, Inc, $ 1,061,513

• Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555

• Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825

• Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751

• Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555

• Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825

• Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government might fund VOLUNTARY consultations on end of life decisions.  On your dime?  Horrors!  Your dime already funds obscene health insurance company profits&#8211;the same companies that override your doctor&#8217;s decision, reject your claims, and, if you look unprofitable, deny you coverage.  If you doubt any of this, have a look at the sort of loot those health insurance company CEOs get (below).  Now that&#8217;s something to get mad about.</p>
<p>ANNUAL COMPENSATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY EXECUTIVES (2006 and 2007 figures):</p>
<p>• Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834</p>
<p>• H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million</p>
<p>• David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million</p>
<p>• Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million</p>
<p>• Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529</p>
<p>• Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771</p>
<p>• Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million</p>
<p>• Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million</p>
<p>• William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in retirement benefits</p>
<p>• Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, $1.5 million</p>
<p>• James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health Plans, $1.3 million</p>
<p>• Cleve L. Killingsworth, President/CEO Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3.6 million</p>
<p>• Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million</p>
<p>• Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group, Inc, $ 1,061,513</p>
<p>• Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555</p>
<p>• Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825</p>
<p>• Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751</p>
<p>• Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555</p>
<p>• Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825</p>
<p>• Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751</p>
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		<title>By: Your morning jolt: Health care and the return of Ralph Reed &#124; Political Insider</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2009/08/14/why-cant-we-discuss-dying-with-dignity/comment-page-2/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Your morning jolt: Health care and the return of Ralph Reed &#124; Political Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cynthia Tucker wonders why we can’t discuss dying with dignity. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cynthia Tucker wonders why we can’t discuss dying with dignity. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Smtih</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2009/08/14/why-cant-we-discuss-dying-with-dignity/comment-page-2/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smtih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Davidson

August 16th, 2009
8:18 am


Mary not to be argumentative but HR 3200 Sec. 1233 says the following:

“Advance Care Planning Consultation&quot;
‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has

not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
consultation “shall” include the following: 

SHALL is a long ways from the choice of CAN. 
 
With all due respect when a bill uses the word shall there is no option. That is a mandate cast in legal stone. 

To me this matters only because of the mandate, as I&#039;ve said previously I oppose any more government ran healthcare programs period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Davidson</p>
<p>August 16th, 2009<br />
8:18 am</p>
<p>Mary not to be argumentative but HR 3200 Sec. 1233 says the following:</p>
<p>“Advance Care Planning Consultation&#8221;<br />
‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the<br />
term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con<br />
sultation between the individual and a practitioner de<br />
scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,<br />
if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has</p>
<p>not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such<br />
consultation “shall” include the following: </p>
<p>SHALL is a long ways from the choice of CAN. </p>
<p>With all due respect when a bill uses the word shall there is no option. That is a mandate cast in legal stone. </p>
<p>To me this matters only because of the mandate, as I&#8217;ve said previously I oppose any more government ran healthcare programs period.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Tucker:

You could not be more right and wrong at the same time. The key is that you chose to designate your brother to make those difficult decisions about your life, not the government. Therein lies the key difference! Don&#039;t try to portray this as anything it is not.

Regards,

Charles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Tucker:</p>
<p>You could not be more right and wrong at the same time. The key is that you chose to designate your brother to make those difficult decisions about your life, not the government. Therein lies the key difference! Don&#8217;t try to portray this as anything it is not.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Charles</p>
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		<title>By: Real</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lovelyliz at 10:45am August 14 --  I’m glad that I am not the only one who noticed how singularly caucasian these protesters/plants are.

Can it be that the generational government dependent leeches do not attend because it would be counter to their entitlement way of thinking (giving them credit for thinking).  They have more important things to do -- like get another cell, plasma, or Escalade; or perhaps pop out another child by yet another different man...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lovelyliz at 10:45am August 14 &#8212;  I’m glad that I am not the only one who noticed how singularly caucasian these protesters/plants are.</p>
<p>Can it be that the generational government dependent leeches do not attend because it would be counter to their entitlement way of thinking (giving them credit for thinking).  They have more important things to do &#8212; like get another cell, plasma, or Escalade; or perhaps pop out another child by yet another different man&#8230;</p>
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