Pac-12 says it’s catching up to SEC

Oregon players will be jacked up when they play Stanford on Thursday night. (Getty)

Oregon players will be jacked up when they play Stanford on Thursday night. (Getty)

Improved teams.

Bigger games.

More money.

Big-time coaches.

Increased TV exposure

Extensive recruiting.

These are some of the reasons why the Pac-12 says it’s catching up to the SEC this season, at least according to an AP article.

Here’s Washington State AD Bill Moos:

“Here we are out on the West Coast, now all of sudden we’re in people’s living rooms and sports bars. Plus (the TV contract) provided the revenue for all of us to build the buildings that we’re doing to get ourselves up to par with the rest of the country in regards to recruiting.”

Sagarin ratings, according to the article, breaks down every conference by division. It rates the SEC West as the top division in the FBS, followed by the Pac-12 North (Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon State and California) and the Pac-12 South (USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado), before the SEC East.

A couple of Oregon students have even begun selling “We Want Bama” T-shirts.

More from the article:

More Pac-12 football games are on TV than ever before. Multimillion dollar facilities upgrades at one stage or another can be found on just about every campus. The roster of coaches has more notable names — Rich Rodriguez at Arizona, Todd Graham at Arizona State, Jim Mora Jr. at UCLA and Mike Leach at Washington State — drawing heftier paychecks and playing an exciting brand of ball. Oregon brought fast-football to the Pac-12 and now much of the conference is trying to chase down the Ducks, with various forms of the no-huddle, spread offense.

The Pac-12’s top two programs will be on display on Thursday night, when No. 2 Oregon plays at No. 5 Stanford on ESPN, so those of you who haven’t seen a Pac-12 game this season can judge for yourselves.

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47 comments Add your comment

george

November 6th, 2013
10:57 am

clowns. The sec is superior in every aspect:

1. better players
2. better coaches
3. better stadiums
4. better tailgating
5. better fans
6. best looking women

slydawg

November 6th, 2013
10:59 am

A lot of boxers look fluid, younger, faster, and stronger than Floyd Mayweather, Jr. when viewed on film against other opponents. Then they get in the ring with the MAN, and suddenly they look normal against comparable competition. This conference comparison thing is laughable. Each and every team needs to worry about themselves and what it takes to compete against opponents, first in their conference, then on a national level. Any team with D1 talent can beat any team on any given day. It’s a matter of which team can masks weaknesses and execute at the right time. By constantly evoking the SEC and it’s perceived dominance only means the PAC-12 and the fake Big-12 are intimidated and insecure.

slydawg

November 6th, 2013
11:01 am

BTW, not one of them have a MNC ring, unless it was as a member of another coach’s staff.

Max Sizemore

November 6th, 2013
11:11 am

The PAC-12 doesn’t have enough athletes on defense to compete with the SEC, especially up front. You saw that when Oregon played Auburn a few years ago and you’ll see it again if they make the NC game against Bama this year.

Fred - D

November 6th, 2013
11:38 am

I’ll admit the Pac 12 is an outstanding conference and that if Oregon wins the BCS championship, it will be well earned and by no means is a fluke whether or not that opponent Alabama. That being said I honestly believe that the only division in college football that comes close to the SEC west is the SEC east, barring the tremendous amount of injuries suffered by those teams at vital positions.

odelljones

November 6th, 2013
11:53 am

Dear Pac 12,

Call us when you win 7 straight titles.

Love,

The SEC

GTBob

November 6th, 2013
12:00 pm

The PAC-12 has already caught up to Alabama and the 13 dwarves. The SEC is what it is. A mirage. Texas A&M and Missouri were average teams that got smacked around consistently in the Big 12. They move to the SEC and they are both in the top 11 of the rankings and are two of the top 5 teams in the conference. Im not sure why anyone needs anymore proof that the SEC isn’t really playing better football than anyone else. They just have a great Alabama team whose coattails they can all ride.

Buddy Landel

November 6th, 2013
12:14 pm

This article serves no purpose but to rile up a bunch of rednecks. You could’ve hired the Iron Sheik and served the same purpose.

Buddy Landel

November 6th, 2013
12:17 pm

Fred – D

November 6th, 2013
11:38 am
I honestly believe that the only division in college football that comes close to the SEC west is the SEC east
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If you believe the above statement, you probably also believe that OJ is still looking for the “real” killer.

mulk

November 6th, 2013
12:22 pm

@gtbob,

I’m hoping that the new playoff format will force these SEC teams to get out and schedule more regular season games against other major conferences other than just the ACC. They are more likely to ADD another conference game and HIDE behind that addition. As in, we are the SEC
therefore our strength of schedule is already the strongest in the land.

In reality, they are just likely to lose when they travel as any other conference. If it wasn’t for Tech and Clemson verses Carolina and UGAG, the overall records would actually tilt in favor of the other conferences.

Devil's Advocate

November 6th, 2013
12:26 pm

GTBob,

So how do you explain Texas A&M’s smackdown of Oklahoma in the bowl game last season only a year after Oklahoma beat Texas A&M in a regular season Big 12 game?

Texas A&M was actually a better team in 2012 than they were in 2011. DUH.

mulk

November 6th, 2013
12:31 pm

@slydog,

I’m with you on this conference thing – stop it. Worry about your own team instead of claiming NC’s because Bama won yet again. Bama is beating everybody ESPECIALLY SEC teams. When you get past all the SEC chest thumping, who has Bama played?

Different standards is being applied to the SEC. Look at LSU – lost to two unranked teams??? LSU is put on a pedestal just in case they do beat Bama.

I don’t think of it as insecurity to point out the ESPN influence on these rankings as opposed to on field performance.

Devil's Advocate

November 6th, 2013
1:09 pm

Jealousy is hilarious. The SEC played 2nd fiddle to the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac Ten, and Notre Dame in the 90. ESPN especially was all about promoting those teams and even jumped on the ACC bandwagon when they added VT, Miami, and BC.

After OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, and USC stopped winning championships, the attention switched to the SEC because LSU, Florida, Auburn, and Alabama all won championships along with teams like UGA, Arkansas, Texas A&M, and South Carolina spending significant time in the Top 10 in various seasons including winning decent bowl games.

The former media darlings from the other conferences dropped off people. That’s not the SEC’s fault. OSU embarrassed themselves twice against the SEC in BCS Championship Games. The upstart Oregon who is the new media darling got slowed by an average Auburn defense in another BCS championship game. Even mighty Notre Dame was given a reality check. And who could forget the real game changer involving 2 SEC teams in the BCS Championship Game?

Everything I have written is the reality of the situation. There is no agenda to make the SEC the best conference from a ratings or championship perspective. It is what it is…

If FSU, Oregon, OSU, or Stanford manage to win the BCS this year then congratulations will go out to them and the winner will be honored just like the previous 7 champions. But until that happens, stop whining.

A playoff is coming next season so there will be even more opportunity to make your case. Stop whining and win. ESPN would love nothing more than for OSU or FSU to win a championship. Do you forget that ABC and ESPN are under the Disney umbrella? OSU plays their fair share of games on ABC as does FSU and even Clemson. Just because ESPN has a TV deal with the SEC doesn’t mean anything. They have several time slots to fill with football games across all the ESPN networks so they want to fill those with games people will watch. It’s pretty simple. No one wants to watch Iowa vs Purdue. Even Nebraska vs Michigan is not as interesting as UGA vs LSU. The ratings justify everything.

The Pac 12 has potential but they aren’t there yet. If USC can get back on track and UCLA can keep building while Oregon and Stanford maintain then they will be something to watch for years to come.

As of now, most major conferences are 1 or 2 team shows. The SEC is interesting 8 or 9 deep because 8 or 9 teams rotate having great seasons from year to year.

7576DAWG

November 6th, 2013
2:30 pm

PAC-12 will never get my respect until they are willing to play some of our top SEC teams in Bowl games. They have it set up to play Big 10 teams which is just ahead of the ACC as the weakest Conference and when they beat them they think they are in the same league as the top SEC teams. Sure they will play an SEC team in the kickoff game but most of the time the team they set up to play that first game ends up being a middle of the road SEC team that year and not one of our best. They haven’t proven anything. Most of the time The PAC-12 will have 1 or 2 teams ranked in the top 15 at the end of the year . The SEC will have 3 to 6 ranked in the top 15. Maybe the Big -10 was a great Conference 20 years ago but they aren’t now and all I see is a stronger Conference , The PAC-12 , taking advantage of that and wanting recognition which they will not get from the SEC fans. We are not the one avoiding the PAC-12 they are avoiding us in Bowl games.
I can’t wait until we go to the 8 team playoff so the PAC-12 can have their 1 or 2 representatives each year. It will be impossible to avoid the 2 to 4 SEC representative like they do now.
Until then all I hear now is lip service. You can’t be the best and get the respect of the best until you play the best .

mulk

November 6th, 2013
2:34 pm

devil’s advocate,

If you want to count NC’s as being the only determining factor on conference strength then it is hard to argue against your point. But, when you try to go from there to all teams in the SEC are great and all other conferences are weak, then people, coaches, players, fans do need to whine. The SEC is NOT 8 or 9 deep. It just ain’t so. No team in the SEC least would be winning the Big 10, PAC 12, ACC. No team in the SEC west, other than Bama, would be winning the Big 10, Pac 12 or ACC, either. And, there are a lot of teams out there that could have lost to 2 unranked teams like LSU has this season. And, beating LSU is going to be the feather in the SEC winner’s cap? Different standards are being applied to Ohio St., Oregon and FSU than are being applied to Bama.

When you get right down to it, it is Bama and the rest. I like Bama but they haven’t played a top 10 team all season. OSU, FSU, Oregon, Clemson, Stanford all would be undefeated if they had Bama’s schedule.

I’ll stick with on “on-field performance as opposed to media guesswork or bestowed rankings.” In the BCS era, the SEC has losing records against the Big 12 and Big East. That’s head to head – on the field. When you combine all of it (major conferences) the SEC is only slightly ahead. Not the domination that you read about in the AJC or hear about on ESPN.

When Bama does get beat, it will be because of “they got beat up all season” excuse we hear about all the time from that 8 or 9 teams deep conference bull$hit.

SimpleDawg

November 6th, 2013
2:35 pm

Lucifer Activist, you hit several nails right on the head….Bravo!

Responding to GIT BOB is like feeding feral cats…..it’s a temporary fix for the cat, and before long more of his kind consider your home as their own.

Bazooka Joe

November 6th, 2013
3:09 pm

Mulk – Bama gets the benefit of the doubt having won the last 2 titles – they stay #1 until someone beats them.

Bazooka Joe

November 6th, 2013
3:15 pm

Mulk – you mean like how UGA had a home and home scheduled with OSU and OSU promptly backed out of it ? You mean like that ? And BTW UGA went to various Big 10 teams and OSU was the only one that would do a home and home with us.

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November 6th, 2013
3:55 pm

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3:55 pm

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SEC_SEC_SEC

November 6th, 2013
4:18 pm

Meh. Talk is cheap.

The PAC is Oregon and the ducklings. Oregon looks damned good when they are competing with the ducklings.

NCDawg

November 6th, 2013
4:39 pm

SOSDD… the SEC is still the best conference in college football. We will see when bowl time rolls around how far the Pac 12 has come. Remember it takes 2 to tango in the scheduling deal. It isn’t just the SEC that needs better OOC scheduling. Oregon against a struggling UT team was not anything to crow about. Oregon and Stanford could play with the upper half of the SEC. Everybody else would split with the lower half.

Other conference needs to just zip it until they get head to head match ups. Those are mostly in bowl games now. When they can claim more wins in bowl games against SEC foes then they can start the jabbering. That hasn’t happened yet.

All the rest of you SEC haters that goes for you too. When the SEC stops dominating the bowl games then you can start with your “mirage” crap. If those other schools have the cajoles to schedule SEC teams in home and homes and can win those games then the discussion will be relevant. Until then just live with it.

BTW when the playoff committee starts laying out their criterion and strength of schedule is a part of the equation, then we will see scheduling changes. Maybe that will be soon.

Buddy Landel

November 6th, 2013
5:12 pm

So Mulk states an opinion contrary to most, and you are SO threatened by his opinion that you create a new user name mimicking him?

mulk

November 6th, 2013
6:49 pm

bazooka,

UGAG didn’t have to go to the Big 10 or Ohio St. to get beat on a home and home basis – Colorado, Ok. St., Clemson was more than willing and capable.. You would have to show me some documentation where OSU was scared to play UGAG and backed out of the agreement. I couldn’t imagine any team in the Big 10 that would give up a home and home with UGAG – too many recruiting opportunities.

Also, I have no problem with Bama – my problem is with people that state something like “FSU hasn’t played anybody” forgetting that they manhandled two top 10 teams that had also beaten two SEC teams that everybody was/continues to think were world beaters. FSU might get left out because they haven’t played LSU? An LSU team that has already been beaten twice this year by two unranked teams? This is the week that Bama gets to make a statement by beating LSU? Who has LSU beaten?

I do think that Bama is pretty good, very well coached, etc. But, please enough with how tough their schedule is, or for that matter tough any SEC team’s schedule is. You do realize that the SEC has more teams make it through their gauntlet of teams undefeated than all other conferences?

If there is a rule that states you are the champ until notified, show me where to find it.

RedStick1

November 6th, 2013
7:40 pm

“mulk

November 6th, 2013
6:49 pm

bazooka,

This is the week that Bama gets to make a statement by beating LSU? Who has LSU beaten?”

LSU beat 7th ranked Auburn.

Alabama is ranked over Oregon, FSU and Ohio St by the voters because they have won 3 of the last 4 national titles, including a total domination of Notre Dame who had beaten Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma and USC in 2012.

FWIW, I think Florida State may very well be the best team in the country. Of course they will likely have to beat the Tide to prove it, if they get the chance to play them.

Rick James

November 6th, 2013
8:05 pm

@GTBob

“The PAC-12 has already caught up to Alabama and the 13 dwarves. The SEC is what it is. A mirage. Texas A&M and Missouri were average teams that got smacked around consistently in the Big 12. They move to the SEC and they are both in the top 11 of the rankings and are two of the top 5 teams in the conference. Im not sure why anyone needs anymore proof that the SEC isn’t really playing better football than anyone else. They just have a great Alabama team whose coattails they can all ride

Hogwash..Missouri was very competitive in the Big 12 and you know it..And if I remember correctly Missouri got punched around last season by the SEC correct? You also like always leave out a couple of facts regarding Texas A&M.They didnt have Kevin Sumlin or Johnny Manziel while in the Big 12..When was the last time Georgia Tech beat one of those coattail riding SEC teams Bob?

mulk

November 6th, 2013
10:41 pm

@ncdawg,

I’m not going to pull a Thomas Brown and list a bunch of numbers, but since the BCS era and through 2012 the numbers do not support all this self proclaimed dominance.

Would it surprise you if you found out that the Big 10 is 19 and 19 in bowl games with the SEC? Would it surprise you if found out that the Big East is 8 and 3 in bowl games with the SEC?

The overall numbers are in the SEC’s favor – by a SLIGHT margin. Not dominating numbers.

Delbert_D

November 6th, 2013
11:20 pm

There are undeniably more intelligent brains behind the eyeballs of TV viewers in the SoCal, Bay Area, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix/Tucson and Denver/Boulder footprint than in the Atlanta and, uh, Lexington and, uh, College Station areas (grasping at straws.) Whether those eyes are are watching football is a different question.

Virginia Tide

November 6th, 2013
11:37 pm

Message to the Pac 12: We understand your jealousy.

JJ

November 7th, 2013
9:43 am

How do you gauge whether a football conference is good?

Compare them to the gold standard — the SEC.

I notice that the PACers aren’t trying to compare themselves to any other conference.

Hmmm… ;-)

Howard

November 7th, 2013
10:37 am

Put Oregon or Stanford or any other team in the PAC 12 in the SEC and they’d lose at least one or maybe 2 games. Look when Oregon played LSU and Auburn in big games…they looked more like the AFLAC Duck than any serious threat to either of those SEC teams…whipped soundly.

mulk

November 7th, 2013
11:14 am

Auburn and LSU also beat all the teams in the SEC. Oregon and Stanford might lose to Bama on the road just like all the other SEC teams do.

mulk

November 7th, 2013
11:18 am

@jj,

The question is not “how” to gauge if a conference is good. The question is “why” do you need to. Why do all these UGAG fans get off on Bama winning another NC? It doesn’t close the gap that exists between Bama and the rest of the world, including the 13 dwarfs

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Da Truth

November 7th, 2013
11:31 am

Ok, here we go again… The SEC is the best conference in College Football and it has nothing to do with 7 NC or all the players the put in the league or how the keep 4 to 5 teams ranked at all times. What makes them the best is simple, They eat there own. See there is not a week off in the SEC. Look down your schedule at LSU in two weeks and you play Vandy @ Vandy this week, you will catch an L. All though all the team records do not relect NC, the grind of playing NC caliber teams AND NFL type players is the difference. Oregon has great facilities, but that lil scat back could not handle the pounding of an SEC schedule and he is good, but he is not a Gurley, Marshall,or Lattimore for that matter.Pound for pound, Player for Player ther are better across the board. It is not hype, just the facts..

mulk

November 7th, 2013
12:19 pm

da truth,

I don’t follow pro football a lot. Is there a lot of running backs from the SEC exceling in the pros? Is there a lot of QB’s from the SEC exceling in the pros?

The facts are that neither Marshal or Gurley has handled the pounding very well, either. Neither did Latimore. You’ve gone too far with the Vandy thing.

A lot of teams out there that would win the SEC least. And, there are several more that could come in 2nd place in the SEC west.

Bama is very good. The rest are very similar to college football across the land.

GTBob

November 7th, 2013
2:14 pm

they looked more like the AFLAC Duck than any serious threat to either of those SEC teams…whipped soundly.

They lost by 3 points to Auburn and 13 to LSU in a game where they turned the ball over 4 times. They weren’t beaten “soundly”. How about their game with Tennessee this year? Tennessee beat SC and went to overtime with UGA. Against Oregon? 45 point loss. That should tell you that teams like UGA, Tenn, Florida, and pretty much everyone else in the SEC aside from Bama aren’t even in the same stratosphere as Oregon.

Vidalia

November 7th, 2013
2:32 pm

Enough with the Vandy references. Didn’t I see a stat during the Vandy-UGA game that Vandy was 0-18 against the last 18 ranked opponents they played?

Vidalia

November 7th, 2013
2:35 pm

My apologies. it is 0-8 against the last 8 ranked teams Vandy played prior to beating UGA.

Here’s a look at how all 12 SEC schools have fared in their last 20 games against nationally ranked opponents:
Alabama: 15-5 (.750)
Auburn: 12-8 (.600)
Florida: 12-8 (.600)
LSU: 12-8 (.600)
Georgia: 9-11 (.450)
Arkansas: 8-12 (.400)
South Carolina: 7-13 (.350)
Mississippi State: 5-15 (.250)
Ole Miss: 5-15 (.250)
Vanderbilt: 5-15 (.250)
Tennessee: 4-16 (.200)
Kentucky: 3-17 (.150)

Vidalia

November 7th, 2013
2:38 pm

The previous stats are from 2011, so it very well may have been 0-18 for Vandy.

SEC_SEC_SEC

November 7th, 2013
5:05 pm

PAC and ACC teams love to pound their chests when they win one against Vandy or Mississippi State. The bowl games often pit the second best teams from various conferences against the 5th or 6th place SEC teams, and the SEC still has a winning bowl record in spite of these match-ups.

There is a reason why you hear coaches in the PAC and Big-12, etc comparing themselves to the SEC. Comparing themselves to the B1G or ACC would amount to self deprecation.

JJ

November 8th, 2013
1:26 am

Quack!!!

26-20

Quack!!!

bully1

November 8th, 2013
8:29 am

At least they admit to being our behinds!! SEC Rules!!

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