Should Clayton join MARTA?

Up for your consideration on the November 2 ballot is a non-binding referendum question asking whether Clayton county should become a full participant in MARTA by charging a sales tax in support of MARTA and the county’s public transportation needs.

How will you vote on the question of Clayton joining MARTA?

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Getting this referendum onto the ballot at all has not been an easy task. First, the Georgia 2020 Transportation Act passed (HB 277) earlier this year, giving the county permission to break its seven percent sales tax cap to pay for public transportation. Next, the General Assembly passed HB 1446 last April (sponsored by State Rep. Roberta Abdul-Salaam) so that a non-binding referendum could be placed on the July 20 primary ballot. Then due to Governor Sonny Perdue’s late signature on the bill, the referendum was postponed to the November ballot.  Finally, the Board of Commissioners missed their final opportunity in September to add this as a binding referendum to tomorrow’s ballot.

As per the AJC, this has basically become a vote to gauge citizen interest about whether or not we should join MARTA. If we vote favorably, then a binding referendum vote could come eventually, but the Legislature would first have to revise the law in 2011.

So, has your opinion changed about the necessity of public transportation in Clayton county since C-Tran’s demise? And has anybody seen Quick Transit lately?  Does it even still exist?

If you would like to connect with the Clayton community as a sponsor or vendor at the Grassroots Leadership Institute’s First Annual “Hands on Clayton” Empowerment Fair on Dec. 4 at Mundy’s Miill High School, please email sponsor@claytongaempowerment.org or vendor@claytongaempowerment.org or go to www.claytongaempowerment.org for more information.

106 comments Add your comment

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 1st, 2010
11:15 am

YES.. YES.. YES!!! Traffic is horrible and there needs to be more options outside of Fulton and Dekalb counties for bus and rail transit. Get over your old way of thinking people. It won’t be until all the hwys look like the Connector did this morning, everyday all day that people will support extending MARTA rail and bus service into their counties. By then the cost will be well over $100 million per mile and the same argument that exists even today will come up… it’s too expensive! If the other 3 counties of the big 5 would have join years ago we’d have a great rail system already and be looking to extend info areas that are ripe for developement for rail/bus transit instead of trying to get rail where it already should be and extending a bus service that is clearly better than the ones provided in Cobb (CCT), Gwinett (GCT), and Clayton (Quick Transit) already!!

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 1st, 2010
11:41 am

….” Should Clayton join MARTA? ”

….NO; Sorry Roberta :(

Long time Clayton Resident

November 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

If the bus service wasn’t fully being utilized when the county ran it, then what makes you think it will be fully utilized when MARTA takes over? My tax dollars are being wasted enough as it is. I’ll be voting NO!

2DPoint

November 1st, 2010
1:12 pm

Not so fast on approving this measure at this time due to numerous problems MARTA has staying afloat. I do NOT, and repeat, DO NOT support any system that imposes taxes on base of people who do not directly benefit from the services unless such services benefit mostly the elderly and disabled.
I understand however that a large number of people who used C-TRAN before were not homeowners and thus, not tax payers in the county. They pee and bleed just like homeowners do and should bear some of the tax burden. Meantime MARTA needs to get its act together in order to make their services more available. I believe it would be a better option than the rat-trap Quick Transit in Clayton County at this time. I also believe MARTA should control the funds or have a trustee in charge of it to otherwise prevent pilferage of the operating funds.

whatever

November 1st, 2010
1:26 pm

NO!!!! MARTA is not ” Smarta”. MARTA is a Boondoggle. rife with incompetents at best, and Crooks at worse. I would not be surprised if MARTA folds within a few short years. Do we as a County have the Money to pay for MARTA’S mistakes when it does? I thought not.. They just want our tax dollars to prop them up long enough to line their pockets and get out safely before they fold. Marta will not cover the entire County with routes. It will just cover the few corridors that CTRAN did. and Then they will cut those too. the middle class will not ride if it is not convenient for them. if They have to drive to catch a bus they will just keep driving. instead.

Clayton resident

November 1st, 2010
1:40 pm

I voted yes and struggled with that decision. Do I want to pay more taxes? Hell no. Did I put myself in the place of those without transportation & vote accordingly? Yes.

Tell The Truth

November 1st, 2010
2:27 pm

NO!!!!!! We’ve been here before and we know the results. MARTA had to cut some of its routes already. This is not a reason to raise taxes. Let’s stop kicking this dead horse and get our schools in order. Let’s get some state money for more projects in Clayton. What has Abdul Salaam done for her constituents in her time under the Gold Dome? What does Clayton have to show for her presence there? She’s a very nice woman, but I think she’s better suited for community based non-profit type of job.

SynamonSays!

November 1st, 2010
4:47 pm

I am an urbanite and I believe in public transportation 100%. We do need public transportation in Clayton. We do not need to bail MARTA out! There operations is suffering and people in metro Atlanta are not satisfied either.

But I say NO, we should develop transportation in Clayton that we can operate and fund ourselves. Why should we bail Marta out. In case you all do not remember, let me remind you, CTRAN cost $12 million to operate per year, we collected $2 million from riders, the taxpayers/homeowners shelled out 10 Million Dollars, we could buy all the riders a car and have money left over!

Perhaps, some politicians asking you to vote yes, mean well but we can do without MARTA.

kallen

November 1st, 2010
5:25 pm

As per a BOC press release today …

Clayton County Board of Commissioner Chairman, Eldrin Bell, has partnered with various county ministers to emphasize the importance of voting in Tuesday’s November 2, 2010, election by offering free rides to county voters.

For Clayton County residents that previously relied on public transit as their means of transportation to voting precincts, free rides will be available on Tuesday. Clayton County residents can call (404)604-9900 to request a ride to their local polling place.

Chairman Bell and local ministers are encouraging all registered voters to bring with them the proper identification in order to vote and to make sure their voices are heard once again, by getting out and voting on Election Day, Tuesday, November 2, 2010.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 1st, 2010
5:41 pm

Eldrin Bell and his band sheepeople herders just earned a Triple No from me.

xivinrah

November 1st, 2010
8:01 pm

Why would you neglect an over $6 billion dollar investment in rapid transit? While I am sure there is some oversight needed in MARTA, it would be far more intelligent and efficient to expand and improve a well-established transit system that is frequently marketed as an incentive to bring corporate business. If you continue to neglect and ostracize the MARTA system, I can assure you that there will not be much of a great city left to protect.

The regions economy will collapse without an efficient and extensive rapid transit system to move people throughout the metro area. Besides… in the long run, it is far less expensive to maintain an extensive rail system than it is to maintain the existing network of over-widened highways, bypasses, expressways, etc.

Even if you prefer driving to rapid transit… I don’t see why you would WANT everyone to drive. Seems like to me if you have so many complaints about the traffic, that you would WANT a more efficient mass transit system in hopes that roadway congestion would decrease.

Clayton76

November 1st, 2010
8:10 pm

Bryan: NO, NO, NO
C-Tran was a failed experiment. Why should 98% of the population flip the bill so only 2% can have transportation? The business side of it is simple. 2% of the population cannot pay for the expenses of the C-Tran system (which was operated by Marta). C-Tran has been in service for 4 years and only managed to have 5,000 riders use it out of 270,000 citizens. This was a failed business venture and the County Commission finally did something right by getting rid of that worthless unused system.

What will Marta do different? Absolutely Nothing!!! The only thing that will happen will be a repeat of history; 270,000 people flipping the bill so a a couple of thousand people can take the bus to Southlake Mall & the County Courthouse!
Clayton County has prospered for over 150 years without a silly, money eating, bureaucratic, inefficient transportation system.

Bryan, it is you who needs to get over your old way of thinking and move to a county that has public transportation.

VOTE NO ON C-TRAN, VOTE NO ON MARTA!!!

I see stupid people

November 1st, 2010
8:12 pm

Well, Quick Transit is still alive and kicking. I just saw a transit bus tonight at MT Zion rd and MT Zion Blvd. I thought for sure they would have cut their losses by now.

hello

November 1st, 2010
8:15 pm

No way in hell. Marta is in worse financial difficulties than CTRAN was. They want us to join to help pay off there massive debts. To those that love that mass transit, may I suggest that you move to one of those “fabulous” northern cities that have mass transit. They are drowning in taxes.

2DPoint

November 1st, 2010
8:25 pm

I very much appreciate Chairman Bell’s gesture (and the ministers) but do you know whether they checked with the County Election Board to see whether this could raise some ethical issues?
The county is already under investigation by the state on voting issues. Someone could easily charge that while being transported to the polls, that they were influenced to vote in a certain way. Get where I’m coming from?

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 1st, 2010
9:19 pm

…And will Vote Tomorrow ?
….NO
…..I will watch the disaster unfold on the tv.
…..There is no hope left for Clayton County.Ga. I don’t know why I bother myself anymore, to fight this loosing cause.

……Best Wishes at the polls.

Bob Hartley

November 1st, 2010
10:18 pm

Yes! The reason Marta is hurting is because it’s one of the few major transportation agencies that recive NO money from the state. Is this is forward thinking? Move people in an environmental friendly fashion. Whats the alternative, build more lanes on the connector?

BnB

November 1st, 2010
11:02 pm

And go back to the days of C-Tran – we just got rid of that blight – and some people are moving back to public trans – ie Dekalb and Fulton. Good riddance.

Marta Smarta Youth

November 2nd, 2010
2:02 am

Yes, we need mass transit in Clayton, but a light rail version running from the airport to perhaps Love Joy or the Racetrack; all in Clayton. Clayton County need to find and fund a ways for citzens to get to the rails. Whether most of you cryers know it or not We Are Not Rural, We Are Urban”. Remember, if our elected officials in the 5 metro counties had “Foresight instead of Racism” 30 years ago the Altanta region would be as metropolitian as Philly, DC or NYC by now. Stop living in yesteryear. However, the younger adults don’t have to worry about all you cryers, they’ll fix it. You guys only have five or tens years left in you.

hello

November 2nd, 2010
9:03 am

Those who love DC, Philly, New York so much, there is a great interstate highway called I-85 which leads to I-95 heading in that direction! Those are poor examples of the direction anyone would want to go. Falling down, decaying, overloaded with low income,unskilled, tax draining residents.Highest taxes in the land.

Riverdale Rita

November 2nd, 2010
9:56 am

No. We do not need to “pour good money after bad.” At least not tax dollars, as it is OUR MONEY! The money of hard working, tax paying citizens of Clayton County. Think about this…. The very people we elect to represent us under the Dome either do not even pay taxes themselves, or they refuse to answer the question (from 11-Alive News) if they have paid their taxes. I have had ENOUGH of the arrogance of our public servants (such as Roberta Abdul and Darryl Jordan) to think that do not have to answer the citizens they serve, through the news media. Even though I’ve already voted against Darryl Jordan, he and Roberta will still get elected because they will have the votes of their fellow non-tax paying citizens of Clayton County.

Many of us Clayton citizens refuse to admit it, but one of the first steps toward cleaning up Clayton County and improving the quality of life here is NOT TO FUND public transit. If there’s no public transit in Clayton, then maybe those non-tax paying citizens will move elsewhere. As for the elderly and disabled, then our church ministers should again partner with Edrin Bell (as previously evoked by KALLEN) to step up to the plate and provide for those truly in need.

Its a Jesus-thing, not a Caesar-thing to take care of those truly in need. I give to my church and have no problem whatsoever having it reach out to the needy to provide transportation. We must stop relying on the government to solve all our problems.

Rita

Good Bye

November 2nd, 2010
10:18 am

Hello, you should take your own mean-spirited advice and get out of Clayton.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
10:49 am

Rita; Southern Regional as one of the best all call emergency stroke treatments staff, than any other hospital on the southside of Atlanta; I know. Don’t let living in this lopsided flim-flam environment get the best of you. I should have moved many years, but, I was too hardheaded.
Its not worth voting for anything in this county anymore.

Roach

November 2nd, 2010
11:06 am

Need to see the plan first. Are we just subsidizing bus riders, or is there anything like a plan for transit services for Clayton? Are we feeding a bureaucracy or building a future?
Spend time in Europe. Use their effortlessly integrated bus / tram / rail mass transit. Then come back and look at what we have here. It’s enbarrassing to live in such a backward place, sucking shrinking petroleum resources, breathing foul air, without even a sense that anything’s wrong.

Riverdale Rita

November 2nd, 2010
12:33 pm

Pour money into a transit system in Clayton County? First off, the tax dollars would be spent on other things or in corrupt politicians (and their relatives) pockets before it even happens. Secondly, Even if the funds were allocated and used properly it would be YEARS before seeing the system up and running.

My vote is to “throw all the bums out” and only then would we be able to see Clayton flourish once more.

Frankly, I believe we could take the total tax dollars (that would go to MARTA) to be spent and just issue car vouchers back to the Clayton citizens that file tax returns. This way all those that file will get to buy their own car! Those that do not file a tax return, do not get a voucher. This would, in very strong probability (not possibility), cost us less money.

Riverdale Rita

November 2nd, 2010
12:38 pm

I just ran across this in the Fayette County section of AJC online.- ->

“Peachtree City Mayor Don Haddix is leading a charge for Fayette County to secede from the ten-county Atlanta region, over the possibility of being forced to pay for transit like MARTA. The Atlanta region is scheduled to vote on a sales tax referendum for transportation in 2012.”

Perhaps this is what Clayton County should do also. Secede from the 10-county Atlanta Metro Region.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
1:13 pm

Rita;((”Clayton County should do also. Secede from the 10-county Atlanta Metro Region.”))

Rita; Its far too late for that to happen, just give up the fight and go with the flow; Its not worth it.

Jason

November 2nd, 2010
2:51 pm

If people would take time to check on things they would find out that the .1 cents sales tax will not only fund MARTA but according to Citizens for Progressive Transit (cfpt.org) it will help fund a light rail system to from Lovejoy to Atlanta. The article is from Monday July 26, 2010 and it’s the Please Take Action to Bring Rail and Bus to Clayton County. And even more under Friday July 9, 2010 under Will Clayton County let Voters Decide on MARTA. So if you want the light rail then you better vote Yes just like I did.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
3:47 pm

….Jason : (( ” according to Citizens for Progressive Transit ” ))

….Jason; Look at the last word; Of course they would have you to believe in what they tell you.
….Do you want want buy some worthless run down houses in our county too ?

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
4:21 pm

…I’m just glad to have voted early.

BW

November 2nd, 2010
4:24 pm

Do any of you people actually live in Clayton County? At a bare minimum, a commuter type line thru Forest Park, Morrow, and Jonesboro would pay dividends and help the county revive itself. As far as the apartment dwellers not paying taxes…the apartment owners do so that’s bs. The county failed in its C-Tran experiment I believe because it didn’t realize the class distinctions still at play. The poorer north should have bus routes connecting it to MARTA whereas the southern part of the county needs direct commuter rail into Atlanta and the airport. Obviously with security people will ride the rail for those reasons. It could help the various old downtown areas with foot traffic and certain parking fees.

Rita

It’s not about “voting the bums out”…Clayton is down because one it was never really up and Atlanta gentrified. Guess where those displaced people settled?? Car vouchers to buy one’s own car? Wow….really? That sounds socialist to me for one, two that’ll never happen.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
5:10 pm

…BW : (( “Do any of you people actually live in Clayton County?” ))

…No; I live in Third World City of Forest Park, but, I’m still forced to pay county taxes.

abby

November 2nd, 2010
5:55 pm

the dancing can begin in just over an hour – the emperor has no clothes and the people want some substantive results.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
7:10 pm

cowboyjim007

November 2nd, 2010
10:20 pm

Riverdale Rita I guess the next time I need to go to the doctor or to the hospital I should call you to take me. I am on disability and have no way to get a car. So how in the hell do you think I got around. I rode the bus or walked but since I can’t walk that far now what should I do. DIE or MOVE.

When C-Tran first started it was on time and was a quick ride to the airport 45min at most, the last year and a half it took about an hour and a half. I wish who ever was in charge in the begining was in charge the entire time. I just hope one day you never have to ride public transportation.

I guess I need to play chicken with the traffic on Hwy 19 & 41 just to get my meds Hopefully I won’t get hit by you.

cowboyjim007

November 2nd, 2010
10:34 pm

Yes I live in clayton county. All of my life I have, and have seen many changes here too. But I guess there are people who live here want to live in a buble stuck in the past I guess we should still be living in the era of Gone With The Wind. Everyone on horseback or a covered wagon.

Sick of it all!

November 2nd, 2010
11:41 pm

Why we are still having to deal with this issue is beyond me. Clayton NEVER wanted MARTA & CTRAN was crept in through the back door. As a tax payer in Clayton, I DON’T WANT IT! Everyone keeps talking about rapid transit improving the county and bringing in jobs. What did CTRAN bring in? Only thing new I see is section 8 renters, EBT card users, strip clubs, title pawns and we buy gold shops. What brings in jobs are great school systems and a viable population. At this time, Clayton has little of either. As far as the tax paying goes, how much of the population that rents in Clayton actually really puts anything of significance into the system. Let’s see, paying for food with EBT card, paying for rent with section 8, seeing the doctor with Medicaid and to top it all off, getting a tax refund check worth thousands. Now explain to me how someone can take more out of the sytem than they contribute and still get a tax refund. I don’t blame Fayette for wanting to secede. It has been rumored for a while that south Clayton wanted to do the same and become part of Henry or Fayette. I wish it would. For once I agree with (Law Abiding/Double Action) ; should have left this cesspool years ago & left it to the bottom feeders.

Agent 0

November 3rd, 2010
12:52 am

it looks like the nonbinding referendum passed, so Happy maybe MARTA will move further south and the people in the urban portion of the county will have bus service

Jborodawg

November 3rd, 2010
9:29 am

“BW”: You make an excellent point, “…The poorer north should have bus routes connecting it to MARTA whereas the southern part of the county needs direct commuter rail into Atlanta and the airport…” Not so much commuter rail as just needing convenient routes to ATL and the airport; emphasis on “convenience”. Mass transit works in other big cities (Portland, Salt Lake City) because they emphasize convenience.

MARTA is one of a very few systems in the country that isn’t supported at the state level. MARTA’s charter even limits its ability to fund itself. EG NO gas tax can go toward mass transit. Clayco needs to join the “regional transportation” bandwagon; as do Cobb, Henry, Cherokee et al. “Statistical Metro ATL” is the second worse commute to work in the entire country. We should give MARTA a chance to become a regional entity. BUT, once that’s done, they MUST focus on local “needs”; EG recognizing that the people in Henry and S.Clayco have different needs than those in N.Clayco, for instance. There must be a concerted focus on convenience. Without that focus it will fail.

Yes, there are good reasons to vote “no”. But, with our dependence on oil, pollution, gridlock, etc, there are many good reasons to vote “yes” for a regional transportation system. MARTA is one link in that system.

BulletHead

November 3rd, 2010
9:43 am

To all the naysayers: The 2012 vote will be a comprehensive light rail transit plan that will include connecting light rail transit to existing MARTA heavy rail lines. Cobb, Gwinnett, and Clayton will have lines running through those counties, which will extend the rail portion of MARTA. So, yes, the straw poll/vote is a good thing as far as advancing the possiblity of a trully regional system.

It is NOT a BAILOUT of MARTA, but rather, a pay your fare share of a regional transit system. All ABOARD!!! Choo Choo…

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
10:18 am

….This is just one example of how our Clayton County Voters cast their ballots in this Election :

…..Election Summary Report
Clayton County
State of Georgia General Election
November 2, 2010
Summary For Jurisdiction Wide, , All Races
Unofficial and Incomplete

GOVERNOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59807

——————————————————————————–

NATHAN DEAL (R) 9670 – 16.17%
ROY E. BARNES (D) 48235 – 80.65%
JOHN H. MONDS (L) 1828 – 3.06%

LT GOVERNOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59606

——————————————————————————–

L.S.CASEY CAGLE (I)(R) 10615 – 17.81%
CAROL PORTER (D) 47959 – 80.46%
DAN BARBER (L) 1011 – 1.70%

SECRETARY OF STATE
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59511

——————————————————————————–

BRIAN KEMP (I) R 10267 – 17.25%
G. SINKFIELD (D) 47973 – 80.61%
DAVID CHASTAIN (L) 1204 – 2.02%

US SENATOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 58631

——————————————————————————–

JOHNNY ISAKSON (I) (R) 10864 – 18.53%
MICHAEL THURMOND (D) 46993 – 80.15%
CHUCK DONOVAN (L) 733 – 1.25%

US HOUSE 13
Total
Number of Precincts 56
Precincts Reporting 56 100.0 %
Total Votes 57518

——————————————————————————–

MIKE CRANE( R) 10443 – 18.16%
DAVID SCOTT (I) D 47005 – 81.72%

STATE HOUSE 77
Total
Number of Precincts 11
Precincts Reporting 11 100.0 %
Total Votes 9599

——————————————————————————–

JAMES BROWN (R) 1074 – 11.19%
DARRYL JORDAN (I) D 8515 – 88.71%

……..Ask me if Victor Hill stands any chance of ever being our Sheriff; If he so desires to seek the office again ?

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
10:27 am

….MARTA ?
… Trusting our Elected Officials to do the right thing ?
….I’m just glad to have settled down in the most Northern End of Clayton County in Forest Park; This places me in another world. :)

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
10:41 am

….Even a Dog knows better than to do his business where he sleeps.

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 3rd, 2010
1:08 pm

@ Clayton76

“Clayton County has prospered for over 150 years without a silly, money eating, bureaucratic, inefficient transportation system”

Are you kidding? Clayton is the worst county of the big 5 and probably the worst in the entire metro area. Why do you think when ATL tore down all the projest the lower income folks went to CC? The nice areas are in the southern part of the county and thats probably a spill over from Fayette and Henry counties.

People keep talking about bailing out MARTA. MARTA will be extending services into the county which means it will be spending more money to operate buses and to build rail. How is this bailing out the existing MARTA system? The little bit of money will probably barely be enough to cover extending the rail and to pay for operating both the buses and trains. It’s about options. C-Tran had little users because they had long routes that criss crossed the entire northern county to provide coverage. I see why people didn’t want to use it. With MARTA there will be rail service which is much faster and preferred. Second, the bus routes will be much shorter and provide more direct service to the stations. That will make them more attractive to people who don’t mind a 10 or 15 minute bus ride to a train versus a hour long bus ride all over the county.

People are making suggestions like use the money to buy everyone cars. What is that going to do but make more congestion on the roads and highways and pollute the air. There are even people that want to secede from metro ATL. I mean don’t these fools know that if they weren’t apart of the metro area they wouldn’t have the nice things they have. That is the benefit of being near a large city. All of their nice communities and their good jobs. ATL is the reason for all of it. ATL is the tax money generator for the entire state but all people want to do is bash on ATL and bash on the transit system that helps ATL move.

@ BW November 2nd, 2010 4:24 pm and xivinrah November 1st, 2010 8:01 pm
thanks for making sense with your comments.

And for all those who say C-Tran brought crime and thugs and that these people don’t pay taxes… get a life. Someone has to own the buildings the renters live in right? Don’t you think the owner of the building pays taxes? That means that if there are no renters he has to pay the taxes himself (or herself). Now if the owner can’t pay it then then goes another abandond building that is just sitting there not generating taxes for the county!

Trust the thugs and criminals are not sitting around waiting for buses and train to come and do what they do. If you look ATL mostly has home breakins and smash and grabs. Both require a vehicle to do. The crime was already there in CC before C-Tran and is there after. Nothing has changed other than the people that didn’t have a car and depended on transit who were actually trying to work or go to school and do something constructive don’t have options now.

Face it… the entire metro region needs some type of transit, even if it is just express buses and commuter rail. PAY UP!! It is for the benefit of the entire region. Every great metro region has great public transit! I was just on MARTA and all I saw were working class people and tourist. Not thugs and criminals.

People aren’t going to be satisfied until the highways are like parking lots all times of the day and gas is $8 and $9 bucks a gallon. Where will the options be at when you are looking for another way to get around?

Daryl

November 3rd, 2010
1:14 pm

I cannot believe that approximately 40% of the ClayCo residents want to see another bus service in this county…Especially when we know how well it has worked for us in the past. With the demise of C-TRAN, I am starting to see the improvement in our communities and the sense of pride being restored…

Why in the world would we want to bring back a medium that will bring another wave of Section 8s into our strugglng county? This is plain crazy to me. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over when we know that the result will be negative instead of doing something that we know will bring about a positive result….Please tell your neighbors the facts…MARTA will simply knock us back down the toilet bown just as we are trying to climb out. VOTE NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!

Daryl

November 3rd, 2010
1:22 pm

To Roach above,

I get disgusted when I hear people talk about “What Europe has” or “What Europe does”…Thise is coming from people that may have only been to these places on a two-week vacation , if at all. I have lived in many countries throughout my life (Germany, France, Italy, UK), and I can honestly say without a doubt, that America is hands-down the best country that I have ever lived.

What these folks need to do is pack up and go live there for a few years and then come back with their report. Like many “Spoiled” Americans, I guarantee they won’t like what they see…Me personally, I love this country, I love my State, and I am trying to love my county….Help us all out by stop being so idealistic and start figuring out realistic solutions to help our county. Mass transit doesn’t work here, and no ClayCO resident in their right mind wants our city to be like Philly, DC, or New York.

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 3rd, 2010
1:29 pm

http://www.examiner.com/metro-transportation-in-atlanta/georgia-election-results-glass-half-full-review

GO CLAYTON!! Looks like people want MARTA in CC!!

“Overwhelmingly, voters of Clayton County approved a referendum that would bring a 1% sale’s tax to the county to fund mass transit and add Clayton county to the City of Atlanta, Fulton & Dekalb counties’ MARTA system.”

GO MARTA TOO!!

VERY SMART CLAYTON!

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
1:31 pm

…I know that few or none of you agrees with on this Forum, but nobody will have one reason to believe that I see our county from Rose Colored Windows.
..What Eldrin Bell did, by approaching ministers about offering free rides to county voters…need I say more ?

…We cannot no longer depend on the rest of our State for our survival; What Clayton County has to offerings in our State Legislature and to me, that is shameful.
….Most of you probably disagrees, but, I’m only stating my lopsided opinion again, as always.
……..Your Friend; Oscar “DoubleAction” Knight

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
1:39 pm

Bryan — MARTA supporter :( (” GO CLAYTON!! Looks like people want MARTA in CC!!” ))

…They also wanted Roy Barnes as their Governor !!..

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
1:57 pm

…I always read the fine print

“Eldrin Bell”
“partnered”
…”county ministers”
“voters”
“election”
“emphasize the importance”
“free rides”

..You are welcome mixed these ingredients together, anyway you want, but the results will always come out the same way every time .

http://riverdale.11alive.com/content/free-rides-clayton-county-voters

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 3rd, 2010
2:24 pm

@ Daryl

You are crazy. There are the same knuckleheads doing the same things they were doing before in Clayton. It had nothing to do with C-Tran. When someone can me facts about transit bringing an area down please provide them. I guess you haven’t been through Buckhead lately have you? Please explain how MARTA will knock Clayton back down? It is already down. Why do you think the “Section 8″ people, as you call them, come here and not stay where MARTA is already at? There is cheap housing here. The only areas where there are nice areas are in South Clayton.

The facts show that transit is needed. Traffic is just too bad in the metro area. MARTA was suppose to be a 5 county transit system but even today it needs to cover the entire region. Just because you have transit doesn’t mean the area is going to turn into NY, Philly, or DC. The area isn’t even built like those cities. MARTA rail is going to be just like it is on all the outlying stations. It will be built for commuters who don’t want to drive into the city and there will be local bus routes to bring other to the stations too. This is going to spur new development bring more young professionals near the stations and more businesses to bring a live work and play environment. It’s not going to spur 20 story housing projects and bring guns and drugs!!

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
2:34 pm

….What Clayton County needs the most, is to become part of The State of Georgia; Instead of being The South Side of Atlanta.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
4:17 pm

….Bryan — MARTA supporter :”bring guns”
….Bryan; Clayton County already has “guns” and we even have our own Shooting Range in Forest Park.
….Don’t try to mix guns with drugs in the same breath : “bring guns and drugs!!”
…. I’m a Law Abiding Veteran, A State Firearm Licensed Gun Owner,and I might take offense to that remark.
……….Oscar “DoubleAction” Knight.

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 3rd, 2010
6:43 pm

@ LawAbidingVetRetired

That’s what we need, more GOP leadership to use and abuse the metro area while the rest of Georgia benefits. Hey, why don’t we just put Bush back in office too. That was a great 8 years huh? Let’s see… $4 a gallon gas prices, the crash in the economy, the Huricane Katrina rescue, and lets not forget Sept 11th! I think I’ll pass. To bad these poor folks in Georgia don’t know that if you aren’t rich these conservative methods don’t work. Unfortunately 90% of us fall in the NOT RICH category.

What does your link even prove? Free rides were given to those who didn’t have transportation. So what? They weren’t forced to use it were they? I guess they shouldn’t have offered it so that people who can vote and want transit here would be stuck without no voice and the backwards folks in ClayCO would get what they want huh?

oldtimer

November 3rd, 2010
7:19 pm

I just do not get why the democratic party gets a free ride with minority people. It seems nationally Black males are beginning to open their eyes.

oldtimer

November 3rd, 2010
7:20 pm

And Marta is so poorly run..who would want to be a part of it?

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
8:42 pm

Bryan — MARTA supporter: (( @ LawAbidingVetRetired ))
“Bush”,”gas prices”,”Huricane Katrina rescue”,”
Sept 11th”

Bryan; What does this have to do with my Law Abiding rights to own “guns” in Clayton County ? Your are drifting away from what you said, Don’t try to mix guns with drugs in the same breath : Bryan : “bring guns and drugs!!”
Quite dodging the bullets ! :)

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
8:48 pm

Bryan — MARTA supporter :” the backwards folks in ClayCO”

Bryan; Its been Called Clayton County, Ga, since 1961, when I first arrived, only the backward fools call it “Clayco” !

Black Rain

November 3rd, 2010
8:55 pm

Congrats to my man – LEE SCOTT! Great campaign! — uh — What? You lost? you big fat loser.

The area needs mass transit – it does not need MARTA. As long as MARTA is run by Fulton and Dekalb – it will not be welcomed outside the perimeter. The vote was to join MARTA – not a regional transit authority. C-TRAN showed us that this county could not support a bus system and the taxpayers of Georgia and the nation shouldn’t have to subsidize this county transportation.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
9:35 pm

Bryan — MARTA supporter :”Free rides were given to those who didn’t have transportation. So what?”

Bryan; Your got to added some more ingredients :
……“Eldrin Bell”
……“partnered”
…..”county ministers”
….“emphasize the importance”
…………………….Your Friend; DoubleAction

Daryl

November 3rd, 2010
9:41 pm

To Bryan above,

You can call me crazy, But a day is coming in America when people are going to realize that government intervention isn’t the “end all to be all…” People are now realizing that smaller government is what makes our country strong, An economy driven by a massive government sector can never prosper…Big government has been tried and failed so many times (Remember the USSR…how well did big government work out for them…?).

When we energize people to do for themselves, instead of making them dependent on the Welfare state, good things will happen….I also love it when people bash on Bush…He may not have been the brightest president, he may not have been as fiscally conservative as he should have, and he may not have put the clamps on some of his own adminsitration as well as could be…But the fact remains that when he left office, the unemployment rate was 8 perscent, he didn’t try to expand the government to astronomical proportions, and he definitely didn’t lower the diginity of the office by responding to every thing that he considered a personal insult or getting demeaned by going on shows like Jon Stewart..

You can keep on believing in the change Obama was supposed to bring, and the promise of big government while the rest of us will continue working on bringing viable solutions to Clayton Counties problems. HINT: Public transportation definitely ain’t one of the solutions…

Loosers

November 3rd, 2010
9:53 pm

Well the typical poor, ignorant, illiterate, Clayton County voters again voted for morons, and Marta. Thats why they stay poor. Maybe Clayton County is a good place for them to stay. At least if they stay here they won’t drag down the rest of the state. And to the Marta Union man above, don’t hold your breath waiting on Marta coming in here. Public trans funding is about to disappear.

Kim

November 3rd, 2010
10:01 pm

No Marta! I votes NO NO NO NO! It brings Clayton down! If you can”t aford a car leave Clayton. Let it stay in the city where it belongs.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
10:12 pm

…I arrived in Clayton County in a car and I will leave in a hearse. I don’t see MARTA in my Crystal Ball or on my Two Headed Coin; My cards tells me the same outlook.
……..Oscar

getreal

November 3rd, 2010
11:12 pm

Here we go, let’s step in the 21st century; the Marta will make Clayton county better it will make a quicker and safer way to get to Atlanta which is needed for a lot of surrounding cities. What do you think makes nyc a great multi-billion dollar city? It’s easy to get to because of the subway system. You folks are fighting the future and crippling the growth of Atlanta and the surrounding cities. 75% of Atlantans drive 75% and rising! We are going to have a pollution issue and think about it; the more you drive the more chances you have of getting into an accident! And what about your childrens future? And let’s put something to bed because I think this is a lot of folks biggest fear. Marta will bring bad elements to the neighborhood and they will break into your house and steal your 45 inch plasma TV and jump on the train and ride off into the sunset. Hmmm I rode the subways of nyc for many years and never saw anyone jump on the train with a large unboxed TV or any large box of anything, plus you can’t get it through the turn style and it is not allowed. Also nothing in the papers or on the news and believe me you hear all types of stores in nyc. Plus statics has shown when someone comes to rob your house they are more than likely in a vehicle. Folks your fears are not realistic and you are cutting of your nose to spite your face. The infrastructure is viable to any city let’s not stand in the way. The marta is needed in smyrna and marietta etc. we need an alternative let’s stop stifling the growth of the cities come on people!

getreal

November 3rd, 2010
11:14 pm

Here we go, let’s step in the 21st century; the Marta will make Clayton county better it will make a quicker and safer way to get to Atlanta which is needed for a lot of surrounding cities. What do you think makes nyc a great multibillion dollar city? It’s easy to get to because of the subway system. You folks are fighting the future and crippling the growth of Atlanta and the surrounding cities. 75% of Atlantans drive 75% and rising! We are going to have a pollution issue and think about it; the more you drive the more chances you have of getting into an accident! And what about your childrens future? And let’s put something to bed because I think this is a lot of folks biggest fear. Marta will bring bad elements to the neighborhood and they will break into your house and steal your 45 inch plasma TV and jump on the train and ride off into the sunset. Hmmm I rode the subways of nyc for many years and never saw anyone jump on the train with a large unboxed TV or any large box of anything, plus you can’t get it through the turn style and it is not allowed. Also nothing in the papers or on the news and believe me you hear all types of stores in nyc. Plus statics has shown when someone comes to rob your house they are more than likely in a vehicle. Folks your fears are not realistic and you are cutting of your nose to spite your face. The infrastructure is viable to any city let’s not stand in the way. The marta is needed in smyrna and marietta etc. we need an alternative let’s stop stifling the growth of the cities come on people!

Tell The Truth

November 4th, 2010
7:17 am

The people have spoken & even though I don’t agree that this is what’s best for the county most voters do. Now the question of whether we should pay more taxes for this is another question that was not on the ballot. I’m not going to lament about this or who we got for governor. I am of the opinion that Georgia’s lack of political sophistication is just a result of our educational standards or lack thereof. So the question to those of us that don’t agree with bringing MARTA to Clayton is what are you willing to do to keep it from happening? I’m not willing to give this fight too much more energy if this is what the majority of voters want in our community.

Out of Here

November 4th, 2010
7:57 am

Just glad my job is leaving Atlanta after 36 years as a Clayton County resident. I for one have had enough.

WTF?

November 4th, 2010
9:12 am

Bush…He may not have been the brightest president, he may not have been as fiscally conservative as he should have, and he may not have put the clamps on some of his own adminsitration as well as could be…But the fact remains that when he left office, the unemployment rate was 8 perscent

Funny how you did not (or refused to) mention the astronomical surplus George Bush had when he took office and how much money he squandered during his 8 year reign of terror. That’s a fact too you know.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 4th, 2010
9:36 am

…..People have a lot to contend with, now days, especially with financial hardships, job security, rising costs of living expenses, taxes, Health & life insurance, Utility Bills, and the overall cost of existing.
…..How in the world can our emotions take on anymore stress ?
…..The days of our freedoms will be short lived. if we don’t demand for our Government to do away with the wasteful spending.
…. The pay off for MARTA, in Clayton County, will be an expensive waste of taxes.

Straight No Chaser

November 4th, 2010
11:20 am

@Bryan — MARTA supporter

Bryan apparently you didn’t understand the fine print when you voted yes for Marta. It was a NON-BINDING referendum which means it was merely a consultative or advisory vote. Respectfully I will have to say you are politically ignorant and don’t know how to read Tuesdays vote. Repubs now hold EVERY constitutional office in GA along with that they are the party in power that will redraw voting districts lines in 2011. Maybe just maybe will the democratic stronghold in Clayco be broken.

Alan R.

November 4th, 2010
12:14 pm

It’s always amusing to pop into these posts, and see the same group of old world thinkers rant about how people in Clayton County don’t need mass transportation.

Wake up, people! This is 2010, not 1950. This is Atlanta, not Molena. Take your small-town thinking, and get with the times.

Mass transit is a necessity. I voted yes, as well as everyone else I knew. It’s a shame this referendum on the ballot wasn’t binding.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 4th, 2010
1:13 pm

Alan R. : ((”This is Atlanta, not Molena. Take your small-town thinking, and get with the times”))

Alan R.; Clayton County is No Part of The City of Atlanta, it never has been and never will be. This is the kind of thinking that separates our county from the rest the State.
((”Take your small-town thinking, and get with the times”))

‘When in Rome. Do as the Romans do’

Show some respect for those that invested their hard work and earnings to make Clayton County a desirable place to relocate, at one time. Leave the attitudes to those that has lost the way living, due to the radical changes that have already taken place during the last decade.

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 4th, 2010
1:20 pm

@ LawAbidingVetRetired

Half the stuff you said didn’t even make sense. Let me make it clear… ILLEGAL GUNS! Not people who have registered guns. Here’s a product of Clayton County!!

@ Daryl

I actually agree that big gov’t is not the right thing for all situation all the time but there are time when gov’t needs to step in. This is one of those times. This country has fallen apart because of Bush.

WTF? is correct. Bush had (I may be off of the exact number a little) a 127 billion dollar surplus that Bill Clinton left. He blew that and put us in almost a trillion dollars debt fighting a war that had no purpose and letting the economy crumble because he was letting the big companies basically do what they wanted and make bad investments with no overseeing by gov’t. Look what happened!

It’s funny how people Obama bash. This man came into office facing the worst economy since the Great Depression and people expect him to have the economy completely turned around and everyone working and gas prices at 95 cent in 2 years when it took Bush 8 years to mess it up. Now because people are so impatient they have voted for the same GOP folks that have the same ideas that got us in this mess!

To get back on topic transit is needed… bottom line. People need to read the statement by getreal. People are so scared of changed, especially this older conservative people that think they are in the old Atlanta. This is a region of close to 6 million! This area is going to keep growing, including ClayCO. If this area gets another 2 million, which is an actually projection in the next 10 years and all of them just drive because there is no transit option what do you think that is going to do to the quality of living? What about jobs? What about the economy? People use your heads. Transit is vital to every major city and it’s suburbs. It’s not going to be until the hwys are parking lots that people are going to want another option. Why do you think the people that were leaders in the 70s wanted mass transit. They knew that the population was going to keep growing and knew that a rail system was vital. Can you imagine if Cobb, Gwinett, and Clayton got on board then? We’d have a great rail system to get us to every major financial, medical, and shopping district in the metro area with great bus service to other areas. Now think of where Atlanta would be without the MARTA system that they currently have. Atlanta wouldn’t be called the capital of the south please believe that!!

Bottom line is that people voted and MARTA is wanted in ClayCO. Even the people that won’t ride will benefit from having less cars on the roads. Let’s move forward people and if the people in ClayCO that don’t want transit they maybe YOU should move out to the woods and country where transit isn’t needed and you won’t have to worry about even having MARTA or any transit system coming out there. Stop enjoying the benefits of being around a major city and at the same time trying to hold it back!! There are plenty of back woods in Georgia for all of ya’ll!!

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 4th, 2010
1:45 pm

@ Straight No Chaser

I understand it completely. I understand that people want it and that now this gives the option to but it on the next ballot for a BINDING vote. Redraw all you want people that want it are still going to vote yes and those that don’t are still going to vote no and if more people within the borders of Clayton vote yes then the county will pay for a service that is sorely needed. Not once did I say that MARTA will be in the county tomorrow. I said that people want it here, which is what your “consultative or advisory vote” proved.

Thank goodness there are people like Alan R. that understand the importance of having mass transit in a major metro area. Straight No Chaser your thoughts and ideas seem watered down. I’m sending that drink back to the bar along with all your other friends that want to be stuck in the 50s and 60s with their thinking.

BnB

November 4th, 2010
1:45 pm

to WTF – reign of terror?? I remember 911 – but that was the Muslims terrorists. I remember tax cuts for everyone – including the lowest tax bracket being set to 10% – your great Obama and friends, were fine with letting the 10% bracket go to 15% that is a 50 percent increse on the poorest wage earners. The statement from the Great One – that no one’s taxes who earns under $250 000 a year, IS A LIE. I remember that for most of the Bush years unemployment was in the 4 to 5 percent range. I remember the Democrats denying for years that there was anything wrong with Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. I remember the Democrats pushing the banks to loan money to those whose income did not qualify them for a loan – and those people defaulted – and the primary cause of this recession was the collapse of those bad loans and the foolishness of the govt allowing them to be bunched together and sold as commodities.

The real reign of terror was just stopped on Tues Nov 2.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 4th, 2010
2:31 pm

Bryan — MARTA supporter : ((”Half the stuff you said didn’t even make sense. Let me make it clear… ILLEGAL GUNS! Not people who have registered guns. Here’s a product of Clayton County!!”))

Bryan; Now you have changed your words from “guns’ to “ILLEGAL GUNS!” and I don’t expect you to understand anything that has to do with logic or reasoning, because you speak about nothing but forked tongue nonsense.

WTF?

November 4th, 2010
2:32 pm

Hey BnB republicans like to conveniently forget and LIE about the fact that President Obama walked in the door with a ton of problems to solve from the prior administration. It takes more than two years to fix an 8 year hot mess.

on President Obama’s worst day where he effs up in the worst possible way, he could never, ever be as bad as Bush Junior was.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 4th, 2010
3:03 pm

Bryan — MARTA supporter : (( ” Atlanta would be without the MARTA system that they currently have. Atlanta wouldn’t be called the capital of the south please believe that!’))

….Bryan — MARTA supporter; I remember Atlanta when it only had Trolley Cars and the Tracks still exist today in many parts the Atlanta outlaying Suburbs, like West End, Sylvan Hills, Lakewood, Little Five Points, Grant Park, and many other communites surrounding Atlanta.
…Many of These Areas had their own Movie Theaters and there are a few that still exist today.
…I grew up in Atlanta and these are some of the communities that I grew up in.
….I also remember when there wasn’t a MARTA, it was called The Atlanta Transit Authority.
….I also remember when the Blue Bird Buses came to our Atlanta Suburbs; We called these Buses “City Slickers”.
….I can still catch the rail system into Atlanta by going to the College Park Rail Station.
….My Home is located in the most northern end of Clayton County, where I could be closer to my roots in Atlanta.
…..I suggest that you do the same, if desire to be closer to Atlanta.
………Your Friend & Distant Neighbor; Oscar “DoubleAction” Knight

BnB

November 4th, 2010
5:20 pm

stay in you fantasy world WTf . if you saw the real world – a heart attack would be emminent

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 4th, 2010
5:29 pm

LOL… look at the “Vent” section of Clayton. People are in such shock like ClayCo doesn’t need a transit service here or something. Like this county isn’t connected to the busiest airport in the world and has no transit service to it. Like the are part of the metropolitan Atlanta area… not only that but part of the big 5 counties! The first 2 letters in MARTA are for METROPOLITAN ATLANTA… Clayton you are part of METROPOLITAN ATLANTA and one of the 5 most populated AND you were part of the orginal plan. Why don’t you be the first of the remaining 3 to step up and say “We need to be united as a region and have a transit system that does the same!” This is a big step in getting Clayton efficient and reliable public transit and a way to push the state to help with funding operations of MARTA so that it can have the money to be the system that everyone wants and that the region needs it to be!

Foresight

November 4th, 2010
7:23 pm

Believe me, after the next two years of republicians in the house. The now famous word “backlash” will hit the republicians like it hit the democrats in 2010. This year all angry old folks hit the polls in rovels; and we all know how they look! In 2012, all the youth will come back to the polls, like always in a presidential election year. Enjoy it so-called conservatives while you can; you only have 20 months. 2012 is the year of the “Youth Revolution” and 2012 liberalism—and its more profound than 2010 liberalism!

Just Thinking

November 4th, 2010
9:18 pm

I say vote no.What if all the working people and property owners left the county? Who would keep the Poor Farm operating?

Roach

November 4th, 2010
11:25 pm

Yo, Daryl–it’s OK if somebody else is better at something than you are. Learn from it. You can’t solve a problem until you acknowledge it. Our transit stinks, and other places do it better. Why do you find that threatening? Idealism created this country–if you hate idealism, then you hate America.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 5th, 2010
8:14 am

Bryan — MARTA supporter;

(( “Transit is vital to every major city and it’s suburbs.”))

…There Is no major cities in Clayton County and Clayton County is not the suburbs of Atlanta.

….”ClayCO” ?

……………Its people, like yourself, that made our neighbors relocate to greener pastures.
..Oscar

HLS

November 5th, 2010
12:52 pm

Again – listen closely — this was for joining MARTA – not a regional Trainsit system. A regional system would have representation from all counties and municipalities in the region. As long as Atlanta and Fulton and Dekalb run the show – the rest of the surrounding counties will fight to remain apart and not to capitulate to the good-ole-boy jobs-projects and ill-management they have seen MARTA perpetuate since its inception.

airport worker

November 5th, 2010
1:14 pm

foreskin, nice try. obummer gone in 2012. bank on it.

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 5th, 2010
1:33 pm

@ LawAbidingVetRetired

I appreciate the history lesson about Atlanta. Not even being sarcastic. I did know about the Atlanta Transit Authority. I enjoyed the info about Blue Bird buses and the “City Slickers.” But the fact of your story was that all those thing aren’t there anymore and that the service was changed to improve transit in the city. Obviously the Atlanta of then isn’t the same Atlanta now. When the leaders created MARTA it wasn’t for just Atlanta like most of those other services. It was to connect the entire region and has always been the mission. It’s funny the other 3 big counties don’t want MARTA but all have at one point developed their own transit service that is far less efficient than MARTA and their main purpose was to connect to MARTA to bring people into ATLANTA!! Look at CCT and GCT. Look at what C-Tran was doing. They all brought people to MARTA. Why not just allow MARTA to do what it was designed to do? Why have 4 different transit agencies with 4 different agendas operating in an area that only needs one. Then you wonder why there is no connectivity in the area!

As far as your comment about the major city and the suburbs you are right there isn’t any major cities in ClayCo and never will be. Atlanta is the major city of the area. Your comment about ClayCo not being a suburb though is completely ludicrous. Please explain how ClayCo is part of the metro area but not a suburb?

You are much older than me but you are going to have to face facts. Things chance. Atlanta is changing and transit is needed in more areas. The leaders of Atlanta at the time were thinking about the future of Atlanta when MARTA was created. Now we have a bunch of people that don’t want transit for reasons that don’t even make sense. I can even understand the higher taxes argument but because of increased crime and bringing a bad element? People get over yourselves!!

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 5th, 2010
2:00 pm

@ Just Thinking

This is the problem right here why people don’t want transit. It is the idea that transit is just for the poor. So I guess the Xpress buses coming into the county are just for the poor too huh? If you look at the people on MARTA, especially the train they are mostly middle to upper class people who work and go to school. Are there poor people on the buses and trains… of course, but it’s not JUST for the poor people that can’t afford a car. I have an uncle that lives in the suburbs of Philly and drives to catch the PATCO train into the city every work day. He makes well over 90K a year but see no point of driving into the city when he can just take the train into the city and hop the SEPTA bus to work.

Wake up people!

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 5th, 2010
2:06 pm

@ HLS

If the other counties join don’t you think they would have a say so on how MARTA is operated? They would have as much control as any other county that joined or is already apart of MARTA.

@ airport worker

Obama is the best thing that has happened to the country since Bill Clinton. What are our other options? Sarah Palin? Mind you she is actually a nice looking woman but I don’t want someone who can pass for a pornstar AND not intelligent running this country.

@ Foresight

I completely agree with you!

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 5th, 2010
3:27 pm

….Clayton County was once a place where city dwellers could get a taste of what Georgia was all about. We lost a lot because of the constant expansion of “The Airport”. The Schools that I attended was completely buried, along with many communities and nothing is left except memories. The people that I was went to school with, is scattered throughout Clayton, Henry, and Fayette County and I haven’t seen any of one of them in many years.
…Expansion and Growth of a county should be controlled, but Clayton County, it was always forced upon the residents and we never had any say so in the matter.
…Now we have “new residents” that wants what they had in the city ? …We had the alternative, but “new residents” would not lend their support in maintaining any interest of our local businesses. At one time, in this county, we had about 11 movie theaters, scattered throughout our county, two drive in movie screens, Shopping Centers, and I don’t know many Hardware Stores and Home Improvement Stores.
…Maybe we was too busy expanding the county, we completely forgot about what we already had at our reach.
…Its very hard for me to write a lot at one time, because I have Aphasia, but I do my best to relay my thoughts, experiences, and what I’ve seen in our county.
…..I like having the option of living as close to city and at same time, having the peacefulness in enjoying the taste of Georgia at the same time.
…..We will not have our rightful place in Georgia, until we learn to stop living in the shadows of Atlanta.
….I still have a strong connection to Atlanta and About fives years, I met the grandson of the doctor that help to bring me into this world at Piedmont Hospital.
….I love my home but my roots was in the city; However, when I have a crowd of people standing around to hear me speak, just to hear my Southern Dialect,it was time for me to go back where I my heritage is deeply rooted. My family was originally from South Georgia, all the way from Fayetteville, Columbus, Plains, and all parts in between.
…Lets bring Clayton County back to Georgia !

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 5th, 2010
4:06 pm

…Bryan — MARTA supporter : (( “Obama is the best thing that has happened to the country since Bill Clinton.”))

….Bryan; Bill was the one to sign the NAFTA AGREEMENTS to do dilute our American Production jobs, He also signed several anti-gun bills to dilute our Second Amendments Rights, and Bill Clinton also lied under oath, which started Impeachment proceedings against him. Let not forget how Clinton ignored The Attack on The U.S.S. Cole, where he made the claims that Bin Laden was responsible for the attack and he failed to act responsibly as our The Commander in Chief of Our Armed Forces.

Lynn

November 5th, 2010
9:34 pm

If most venting are agianst Marta or mass transit…..How did it pass? Start voting facts and on feelings

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 6th, 2010
1:57 am

….Bryan — MARTA supporter ; ((”@ LawAbidingVetRetired “))
….”Your comment about ClayCo not being a suburb though is completely ludicrous. Please explain how ClayCo is part of the metro area but not a suburb?”

….”ludicrous” ? Bryan — MARTA supporter; Don’t use words that don’t understand the meaning of.
…….Do you just read what see in the rental adds, Realtor brochures or the News ?

….Clayton County is part of the “Metropolitan Area” by Location only, which means, its part of the inner loop that surrounds the Area around Atlanta; In other words, its within reasonable driving distance.
….The suburban communities (Suburbs) of Atlanta is located on the outskirts of Atlanta, such as Northside Drive, Monroe Drive, West End, Cascade Road,Bankhead Highway, Glenwood, Little Five Points, Sylvan Hills, University Ave., Lakewood Heights, and other suburban communities in within the city limits of Atlanta.These are the areas that the MARTA Transit service was meant to serve.
….Clayton County is not a suburban community of The City Of Atlanta. Clayton County is self contained, self structured, interdependently woven part of The State of Georgia. We have our infrastructure and in no way are we dependent on the City of Atlanta to make our decisions for us.

……(( ” When the leaders created MARTA it wasn’t for just Atlanta ” ))
……(( ” their main purpose was to connect to MARTA to bring people into ATLANTA!! ” ))

……” ludicrous” That is what is called hilarious. The Leaders of Atlanta has no jurisdictions over Clayton County and neither does their Leaders.

…….Some from signs of our previous election, Most or our Voters in this county would rather surrender to the ethics, lopsided opinions, polices, and ordinances of the Atlanta Government.

……This is not The City of Atlanta, Our county is a part of The State Of Georgia, and I will not surrender my freedoms to a separate entity of Government; Not for you or anyone else in this county.

………Your Friend & Distant Neighbor; Oscar

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 6th, 2010
11:13 am

……The Sad Part of living in Clayton County, right now, is 80 % percent of the residents thinks the same as “Bryan — MARTA supporter”; This is very SCARY !!.

…..Election Summary Report
Clayton County
State of Georgia General Election
November 2, 2010
Summary For Jurisdiction Wide, , All Races
Unofficial and Incomplete

US SENATOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 58631

JOHNNY ISAKSON (I) (R) 10864 – 18.53%
MICHAEL THURMOND (D) 46993 – 80.15%
CHUCK DONOVAN (L) 733 – 1.25%

GOVERNOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59807

NATHAN DEAL (R) 9670 – 16.17%
ROY E. BARNES (D) 48235 – 80.65%
JOHN H. MONDS (L) 1828 – 3.06%

LT GOVERNOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59606

L.S.CASEY CAGLE (I)(R) 10615 – 17.81%
CAROL PORTER (D) 47959 – 80.46%
DAN BARBER (L) 1011 – 1.70%

SECRETARY OF STATE
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59511

BRIAN KEMP (I) R 10267 – 17.25%
G. SINKFIELD (D) 47973 – 80.61%
DAVID CHASTAIN (L) 1204 – 2.02%

US HOUSE 13
Total
Number of Precincts 56
Precincts Reporting 56 100.0 %
Total Votes 57518

MIKE CRANE( R) 10443 – 18.16%
DAVID SCOTT (I) D 47005 – 81.72%

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 6th, 2010
1:53 pm

….Lynn :( ( “If most venting are agianst Marta or mass transit…..How did it pass?” ))

…A much better question would be, how did this happen ?

….Election Summary Report
Clayton County
State of Georgia General Election
November 2, 2010
Summary For Jurisdiction Wide, , All Races
Unofficial and Incomplete

….STATE HOUSE 77
Total
Number of Precincts 11
Precincts Reporting 11 – 100.0 %
Total Votes 9599

..JAMES BROWN (R) 1074 – 11.19%

..DARRYL JORDAN (I) D 8515 – 88.71%

Me again

November 6th, 2010
3:12 pm

(((The Sad Part of living in Clayton County, right now, is 80 % percent of the residents thinks the same as “Bryan — MARTA supporter”; This is very SCARY !!.)))

It shows me that the county continues on its downward spiral, and will continue,that way, until a totally different class of people move here, who produce, rather than just use resources. The ones who got the votes, are the ones who convinced the non producers, that they will make sure they can stay non producers. Anyone who votes based on who some mega church preacher told him to vote for, does not deserve voting rights. David Scott comes in once a year and does his little health fair, and basically nothing else, but these voters think he is the best thing since sliced bread. All he has to do(and the other democratic candidates) is convince these voters that republicans are their enemy. Until the voters wise up and grow a mind of there own, instead of being a puppet, their lives will be substandard, and I see no change in sight.

Foresight

November 6th, 2010
8:02 pm

LawAbidingVetRetired, you’re an old. I’m a “Recently LawAbidingVetRetired, you and your Clayton of Clayton has come and passed! Hers’s the new vision–”UPWARD”! Thanks for your service!

Just Thinking

November 6th, 2010
8:43 pm

@ Bryan ..Marta Supporter

I am glad to hear your uncle that makes 90k a year still rides the Patco train and the Septa bus to work . Using Philly as an example isn’t a good one. Why would someone want to lower our county standard down to Philly ’s level of poverty and crime rate. Wake up Bryan . Clayton County needs residents with jobs and homes in order to support any form of public transportation. Who will support and fund the Poor Farm .

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 7th, 2010
6:35 pm

…Foresight; What do you call “OLD” and “Passed” ?

….I’m only 59 years old and my time is far from passing.
….I’m old enough to know that with “Age comes Wisdom”.
………..Your Devoted Friend & Neighbor; Oscar.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 7th, 2010
10:23 pm

Foresight : (( ” LawAbidingVetRetired, you’re an old. I’m a “Recently LawAbidingVetRetired, you and your Clayton of Clayton has come and passed! Hers’s the new vision–”UPWARD”! Thanks for your service!” ))

My time has just begun and your time is running out;What you call “UPWARD”, is a Downward Spiral to self destruction.
.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 7th, 2010
10:43 pm

Foresight : ((’LawAbidingVetRetired, you’re an old. I’m a “Recently LawAbidingVetRetired, you and your Clayton of Clayton has come and passed! Hers’s the new vision–”UPWARD”! Thanks for your service!”}

….I’m only 59 years old and I already have a legacy in this this county, with two younger generations in my family and more is coming here.
…Your so called “UPWARD !” spiral will see its nose dive in this county before my time will have “passed”; Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
…..It was hard working and honest people, like myself, who made Clayton County what is was at one time and it be our next generation to bring it back to it’s former glory, whether you like it or not.

Clayton Reparations

November 7th, 2010
11:23 pm

The people who live in Clayton are mostly renters who rely on ‘gubment’ to provide for them, hence their vote time again and again for Democrats no matter how incompetant (the party of vote for me, I’ll give you a check), lol.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 8th, 2010
12:51 am

…Foresight ; I might be “Old” @ 59, but I still remember the 80’s when Ronald Regan was President, Bob Hope was still entertaining the troops, and Johnny Cash was still alive.
….Now we have Obama, with No Hope and No Cash.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 8th, 2010
1:05 am

,,,,As soon as The South has enough time to rise from the ashes, things starts going backwards, AGAIN !

raja

November 8th, 2010
1:03 pm

Clayton County can not afford Marta.

We have the lowest income in the metro area and over half the population are renters. As long
as we look like this no business will be running here with or without marta. Before the recession
CC was one of the largest employer in the metro area and thats without marta.

We can’t afford to shuffle these residents who are mostly poor;back and forth to there low income jobs. The only type of business they can support are check cashier and beauty supply stores.
It’s simply not worth it.

I read above someone posted my landlord pays taxes. Thats true but renters have no vested interest in the community, you can up and leave anytime you get ready. As a homeowner I can not. That’s the difference.