Should Clayton join MARTA?

Up for your consideration on the November 2 ballot is a non-binding referendum question asking whether Clayton county should become a full participant in MARTA by charging a sales tax in support of MARTA and the county’s public transportation needs.

How will you vote on the question of Clayton joining MARTA?

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Getting this referendum onto the ballot at all has not been an easy task. First, the Georgia 2020 Transportation Act passed (HB 277) earlier this year, giving the county permission to break its seven percent sales tax cap to pay for public transportation. Next, the General Assembly passed HB 1446 last April (sponsored by State Rep. Roberta Abdul-Salaam) so that a non-binding referendum could be placed on the July 20 primary ballot. Then due to Governor Sonny Perdue’s late signature on the bill, the referendum was postponed to the November ballot.  Finally, the Board of Commissioners missed their final opportunity in September to add this as a binding referendum to tomorrow’s ballot.

As per the AJC, this has basically become a vote to gauge citizen interest about whether or not we should join MARTA. If we vote favorably, then a binding referendum vote could come eventually, but the Legislature would first have to revise the law in 2011.

So, has your opinion changed about the necessity of public transportation in Clayton county since C-Tran’s demise? And has anybody seen Quick Transit lately?  Does it even still exist?

If you would like to connect with the Clayton community as a sponsor or vendor at the Grassroots Leadership Institute’s First Annual “Hands on Clayton” Empowerment Fair on Dec. 4 at Mundy’s Miill High School, please email sponsor@claytongaempowerment.org or vendor@claytongaempowerment.org or go to www.claytongaempowerment.org for more information.

106 comments Add your comment

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 1st, 2010
11:15 am

YES.. YES.. YES!!! Traffic is horrible and there needs to be more options outside of Fulton and Dekalb counties for bus and rail transit. Get over your old way of thinking people. It won’t be until all the hwys look like the Connector did this morning, everyday all day that people will support extending MARTA rail and bus service into their counties. By then the cost will be well over $100 million per mile and the same argument that exists even today will come up… it’s too expensive! If the other 3 counties of the big 5 would have join years ago we’d have a great rail system already and be looking to extend info areas that are ripe for developement for rail/bus transit instead of trying to get rail where it already should be and extending a bus service that is clearly better than the ones provided in Cobb (CCT), Gwinett (GCT), and Clayton (Quick Transit) already!!

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 1st, 2010
11:41 am

….” Should Clayton join MARTA? ”

….NO; Sorry Roberta :(

Long time Clayton Resident

November 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

If the bus service wasn’t fully being utilized when the county ran it, then what makes you think it will be fully utilized when MARTA takes over? My tax dollars are being wasted enough as it is. I’ll be voting NO!

2DPoint

November 1st, 2010
1:12 pm

Not so fast on approving this measure at this time due to numerous problems MARTA has staying afloat. I do NOT, and repeat, DO NOT support any system that imposes taxes on base of people who do not directly benefit from the services unless such services benefit mostly the elderly and disabled.
I understand however that a large number of people who used C-TRAN before were not homeowners and thus, not tax payers in the county. They pee and bleed just like homeowners do and should bear some of the tax burden. Meantime MARTA needs to get its act together in order to make their services more available. I believe it would be a better option than the rat-trap Quick Transit in Clayton County at this time. I also believe MARTA should control the funds or have a trustee in charge of it to otherwise prevent pilferage of the operating funds.

whatever

November 1st, 2010
1:26 pm

NO!!!! MARTA is not ” Smarta”. MARTA is a Boondoggle. rife with incompetents at best, and Crooks at worse. I would not be surprised if MARTA folds within a few short years. Do we as a County have the Money to pay for MARTA’S mistakes when it does? I thought not.. They just want our tax dollars to prop them up long enough to line their pockets and get out safely before they fold. Marta will not cover the entire County with routes. It will just cover the few corridors that CTRAN did. and Then they will cut those too. the middle class will not ride if it is not convenient for them. if They have to drive to catch a bus they will just keep driving. instead.

Clayton resident

November 1st, 2010
1:40 pm

I voted yes and struggled with that decision. Do I want to pay more taxes? Hell no. Did I put myself in the place of those without transportation & vote accordingly? Yes.

Tell The Truth

November 1st, 2010
2:27 pm

NO!!!!!! We’ve been here before and we know the results. MARTA had to cut some of its routes already. This is not a reason to raise taxes. Let’s stop kicking this dead horse and get our schools in order. Let’s get some state money for more projects in Clayton. What has Abdul Salaam done for her constituents in her time under the Gold Dome? What does Clayton have to show for her presence there? She’s a very nice woman, but I think she’s better suited for community based non-profit type of job.

SynamonSays!

November 1st, 2010
4:47 pm

I am an urbanite and I believe in public transportation 100%. We do need public transportation in Clayton. We do not need to bail MARTA out! There operations is suffering and people in metro Atlanta are not satisfied either.

But I say NO, we should develop transportation in Clayton that we can operate and fund ourselves. Why should we bail Marta out. In case you all do not remember, let me remind you, CTRAN cost $12 million to operate per year, we collected $2 million from riders, the taxpayers/homeowners shelled out 10 Million Dollars, we could buy all the riders a car and have money left over!

Perhaps, some politicians asking you to vote yes, mean well but we can do without MARTA.

kallen

November 1st, 2010
5:25 pm

As per a BOC press release today …

Clayton County Board of Commissioner Chairman, Eldrin Bell, has partnered with various county ministers to emphasize the importance of voting in Tuesday’s November 2, 2010, election by offering free rides to county voters.

For Clayton County residents that previously relied on public transit as their means of transportation to voting precincts, free rides will be available on Tuesday. Clayton County residents can call (404)604-9900 to request a ride to their local polling place.

Chairman Bell and local ministers are encouraging all registered voters to bring with them the proper identification in order to vote and to make sure their voices are heard once again, by getting out and voting on Election Day, Tuesday, November 2, 2010.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 1st, 2010
5:41 pm

Eldrin Bell and his band sheepeople herders just earned a Triple No from me.

xivinrah

November 1st, 2010
8:01 pm

Why would you neglect an over $6 billion dollar investment in rapid transit? While I am sure there is some oversight needed in MARTA, it would be far more intelligent and efficient to expand and improve a well-established transit system that is frequently marketed as an incentive to bring corporate business. If you continue to neglect and ostracize the MARTA system, I can assure you that there will not be much of a great city left to protect.

The regions economy will collapse without an efficient and extensive rapid transit system to move people throughout the metro area. Besides… in the long run, it is far less expensive to maintain an extensive rail system than it is to maintain the existing network of over-widened highways, bypasses, expressways, etc.

Even if you prefer driving to rapid transit… I don’t see why you would WANT everyone to drive. Seems like to me if you have so many complaints about the traffic, that you would WANT a more efficient mass transit system in hopes that roadway congestion would decrease.

Clayton76

November 1st, 2010
8:10 pm

Bryan: NO, NO, NO
C-Tran was a failed experiment. Why should 98% of the population flip the bill so only 2% can have transportation? The business side of it is simple. 2% of the population cannot pay for the expenses of the C-Tran system (which was operated by Marta). C-Tran has been in service for 4 years and only managed to have 5,000 riders use it out of 270,000 citizens. This was a failed business venture and the County Commission finally did something right by getting rid of that worthless unused system.

What will Marta do different? Absolutely Nothing!!! The only thing that will happen will be a repeat of history; 270,000 people flipping the bill so a a couple of thousand people can take the bus to Southlake Mall & the County Courthouse!
Clayton County has prospered for over 150 years without a silly, money eating, bureaucratic, inefficient transportation system.

Bryan, it is you who needs to get over your old way of thinking and move to a county that has public transportation.

VOTE NO ON C-TRAN, VOTE NO ON MARTA!!!

I see stupid people

November 1st, 2010
8:12 pm

Well, Quick Transit is still alive and kicking. I just saw a transit bus tonight at MT Zion rd and MT Zion Blvd. I thought for sure they would have cut their losses by now.

hello

November 1st, 2010
8:15 pm

No way in hell. Marta is in worse financial difficulties than CTRAN was. They want us to join to help pay off there massive debts. To those that love that mass transit, may I suggest that you move to one of those “fabulous” northern cities that have mass transit. They are drowning in taxes.

2DPoint

November 1st, 2010
8:25 pm

I very much appreciate Chairman Bell’s gesture (and the ministers) but do you know whether they checked with the County Election Board to see whether this could raise some ethical issues?
The county is already under investigation by the state on voting issues. Someone could easily charge that while being transported to the polls, that they were influenced to vote in a certain way. Get where I’m coming from?

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 1st, 2010
9:19 pm

…And will Vote Tomorrow ?
….NO
…..I will watch the disaster unfold on the tv.
…..There is no hope left for Clayton County.Ga. I don’t know why I bother myself anymore, to fight this loosing cause.

……Best Wishes at the polls.

Bob Hartley

November 1st, 2010
10:18 pm

Yes! The reason Marta is hurting is because it’s one of the few major transportation agencies that recive NO money from the state. Is this is forward thinking? Move people in an environmental friendly fashion. Whats the alternative, build more lanes on the connector?

BnB

November 1st, 2010
11:02 pm

And go back to the days of C-Tran – we just got rid of that blight – and some people are moving back to public trans – ie Dekalb and Fulton. Good riddance.

Marta Smarta Youth

November 2nd, 2010
2:02 am

Yes, we need mass transit in Clayton, but a light rail version running from the airport to perhaps Love Joy or the Racetrack; all in Clayton. Clayton County need to find and fund a ways for citzens to get to the rails. Whether most of you cryers know it or not We Are Not Rural, We Are Urban”. Remember, if our elected officials in the 5 metro counties had “Foresight instead of Racism” 30 years ago the Altanta region would be as metropolitian as Philly, DC or NYC by now. Stop living in yesteryear. However, the younger adults don’t have to worry about all you cryers, they’ll fix it. You guys only have five or tens years left in you.

hello

November 2nd, 2010
9:03 am

Those who love DC, Philly, New York so much, there is a great interstate highway called I-85 which leads to I-95 heading in that direction! Those are poor examples of the direction anyone would want to go. Falling down, decaying, overloaded with low income,unskilled, tax draining residents.Highest taxes in the land.

Riverdale Rita

November 2nd, 2010
9:56 am

No. We do not need to “pour good money after bad.” At least not tax dollars, as it is OUR MONEY! The money of hard working, tax paying citizens of Clayton County. Think about this…. The very people we elect to represent us under the Dome either do not even pay taxes themselves, or they refuse to answer the question (from 11-Alive News) if they have paid their taxes. I have had ENOUGH of the arrogance of our public servants (such as Roberta Abdul and Darryl Jordan) to think that do not have to answer the citizens they serve, through the news media. Even though I’ve already voted against Darryl Jordan, he and Roberta will still get elected because they will have the votes of their fellow non-tax paying citizens of Clayton County.

Many of us Clayton citizens refuse to admit it, but one of the first steps toward cleaning up Clayton County and improving the quality of life here is NOT TO FUND public transit. If there’s no public transit in Clayton, then maybe those non-tax paying citizens will move elsewhere. As for the elderly and disabled, then our church ministers should again partner with Edrin Bell (as previously evoked by KALLEN) to step up to the plate and provide for those truly in need.

Its a Jesus-thing, not a Caesar-thing to take care of those truly in need. I give to my church and have no problem whatsoever having it reach out to the needy to provide transportation. We must stop relying on the government to solve all our problems.

Rita

Good Bye

November 2nd, 2010
10:18 am

Hello, you should take your own mean-spirited advice and get out of Clayton.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
10:49 am

Rita; Southern Regional as one of the best all call emergency stroke treatments staff, than any other hospital on the southside of Atlanta; I know. Don’t let living in this lopsided flim-flam environment get the best of you. I should have moved many years, but, I was too hardheaded.
Its not worth voting for anything in this county anymore.

Roach

November 2nd, 2010
11:06 am

Need to see the plan first. Are we just subsidizing bus riders, or is there anything like a plan for transit services for Clayton? Are we feeding a bureaucracy or building a future?
Spend time in Europe. Use their effortlessly integrated bus / tram / rail mass transit. Then come back and look at what we have here. It’s enbarrassing to live in such a backward place, sucking shrinking petroleum resources, breathing foul air, without even a sense that anything’s wrong.

Riverdale Rita

November 2nd, 2010
12:33 pm

Pour money into a transit system in Clayton County? First off, the tax dollars would be spent on other things or in corrupt politicians (and their relatives) pockets before it even happens. Secondly, Even if the funds were allocated and used properly it would be YEARS before seeing the system up and running.

My vote is to “throw all the bums out” and only then would we be able to see Clayton flourish once more.

Frankly, I believe we could take the total tax dollars (that would go to MARTA) to be spent and just issue car vouchers back to the Clayton citizens that file tax returns. This way all those that file will get to buy their own car! Those that do not file a tax return, do not get a voucher. This would, in very strong probability (not possibility), cost us less money.

Riverdale Rita

November 2nd, 2010
12:38 pm

I just ran across this in the Fayette County section of AJC online.- ->

“Peachtree City Mayor Don Haddix is leading a charge for Fayette County to secede from the ten-county Atlanta region, over the possibility of being forced to pay for transit like MARTA. The Atlanta region is scheduled to vote on a sales tax referendum for transportation in 2012.”

Perhaps this is what Clayton County should do also. Secede from the 10-county Atlanta Metro Region.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
1:13 pm

Rita;((”Clayton County should do also. Secede from the 10-county Atlanta Metro Region.”))

Rita; Its far too late for that to happen, just give up the fight and go with the flow; Its not worth it.

Jason

November 2nd, 2010
2:51 pm

If people would take time to check on things they would find out that the .1 cents sales tax will not only fund MARTA but according to Citizens for Progressive Transit (cfpt.org) it will help fund a light rail system to from Lovejoy to Atlanta. The article is from Monday July 26, 2010 and it’s the Please Take Action to Bring Rail and Bus to Clayton County. And even more under Friday July 9, 2010 under Will Clayton County let Voters Decide on MARTA. So if you want the light rail then you better vote Yes just like I did.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
3:47 pm

….Jason : (( ” according to Citizens for Progressive Transit ” ))

….Jason; Look at the last word; Of course they would have you to believe in what they tell you.
….Do you want want buy some worthless run down houses in our county too ?

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
4:21 pm

…I’m just glad to have voted early.

BW

November 2nd, 2010
4:24 pm

Do any of you people actually live in Clayton County? At a bare minimum, a commuter type line thru Forest Park, Morrow, and Jonesboro would pay dividends and help the county revive itself. As far as the apartment dwellers not paying taxes…the apartment owners do so that’s bs. The county failed in its C-Tran experiment I believe because it didn’t realize the class distinctions still at play. The poorer north should have bus routes connecting it to MARTA whereas the southern part of the county needs direct commuter rail into Atlanta and the airport. Obviously with security people will ride the rail for those reasons. It could help the various old downtown areas with foot traffic and certain parking fees.

Rita

It’s not about “voting the bums out”…Clayton is down because one it was never really up and Atlanta gentrified. Guess where those displaced people settled?? Car vouchers to buy one’s own car? Wow….really? That sounds socialist to me for one, two that’ll never happen.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
5:10 pm

…BW : (( “Do any of you people actually live in Clayton County?” ))

…No; I live in Third World City of Forest Park, but, I’m still forced to pay county taxes.

abby

November 2nd, 2010
5:55 pm

the dancing can begin in just over an hour – the emperor has no clothes and the people want some substantive results.

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 2nd, 2010
7:10 pm

cowboyjim007

November 2nd, 2010
10:20 pm

Riverdale Rita I guess the next time I need to go to the doctor or to the hospital I should call you to take me. I am on disability and have no way to get a car. So how in the hell do you think I got around. I rode the bus or walked but since I can’t walk that far now what should I do. DIE or MOVE.

When C-Tran first started it was on time and was a quick ride to the airport 45min at most, the last year and a half it took about an hour and a half. I wish who ever was in charge in the begining was in charge the entire time. I just hope one day you never have to ride public transportation.

I guess I need to play chicken with the traffic on Hwy 19 & 41 just to get my meds Hopefully I won’t get hit by you.

cowboyjim007

November 2nd, 2010
10:34 pm

Yes I live in clayton county. All of my life I have, and have seen many changes here too. But I guess there are people who live here want to live in a buble stuck in the past I guess we should still be living in the era of Gone With The Wind. Everyone on horseback or a covered wagon.

Sick of it all!

November 2nd, 2010
11:41 pm

Why we are still having to deal with this issue is beyond me. Clayton NEVER wanted MARTA & CTRAN was crept in through the back door. As a tax payer in Clayton, I DON’T WANT IT! Everyone keeps talking about rapid transit improving the county and bringing in jobs. What did CTRAN bring in? Only thing new I see is section 8 renters, EBT card users, strip clubs, title pawns and we buy gold shops. What brings in jobs are great school systems and a viable population. At this time, Clayton has little of either. As far as the tax paying goes, how much of the population that rents in Clayton actually really puts anything of significance into the system. Let’s see, paying for food with EBT card, paying for rent with section 8, seeing the doctor with Medicaid and to top it all off, getting a tax refund check worth thousands. Now explain to me how someone can take more out of the sytem than they contribute and still get a tax refund. I don’t blame Fayette for wanting to secede. It has been rumored for a while that south Clayton wanted to do the same and become part of Henry or Fayette. I wish it would. For once I agree with (Law Abiding/Double Action) ; should have left this cesspool years ago & left it to the bottom feeders.

Agent 0

November 3rd, 2010
12:52 am

it looks like the nonbinding referendum passed, so Happy maybe MARTA will move further south and the people in the urban portion of the county will have bus service

Jborodawg

November 3rd, 2010
9:29 am

“BW”: You make an excellent point, “…The poorer north should have bus routes connecting it to MARTA whereas the southern part of the county needs direct commuter rail into Atlanta and the airport…” Not so much commuter rail as just needing convenient routes to ATL and the airport; emphasis on “convenience”. Mass transit works in other big cities (Portland, Salt Lake City) because they emphasize convenience.

MARTA is one of a very few systems in the country that isn’t supported at the state level. MARTA’s charter even limits its ability to fund itself. EG NO gas tax can go toward mass transit. Clayco needs to join the “regional transportation” bandwagon; as do Cobb, Henry, Cherokee et al. “Statistical Metro ATL” is the second worse commute to work in the entire country. We should give MARTA a chance to become a regional entity. BUT, once that’s done, they MUST focus on local “needs”; EG recognizing that the people in Henry and S.Clayco have different needs than those in N.Clayco, for instance. There must be a concerted focus on convenience. Without that focus it will fail.

Yes, there are good reasons to vote “no”. But, with our dependence on oil, pollution, gridlock, etc, there are many good reasons to vote “yes” for a regional transportation system. MARTA is one link in that system.

BulletHead

November 3rd, 2010
9:43 am

To all the naysayers: The 2012 vote will be a comprehensive light rail transit plan that will include connecting light rail transit to existing MARTA heavy rail lines. Cobb, Gwinnett, and Clayton will have lines running through those counties, which will extend the rail portion of MARTA. So, yes, the straw poll/vote is a good thing as far as advancing the possiblity of a trully regional system.

It is NOT a BAILOUT of MARTA, but rather, a pay your fare share of a regional transit system. All ABOARD!!! Choo Choo…

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
10:18 am

….This is just one example of how our Clayton County Voters cast their ballots in this Election :

…..Election Summary Report
Clayton County
State of Georgia General Election
November 2, 2010
Summary For Jurisdiction Wide, , All Races
Unofficial and Incomplete

GOVERNOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59807

——————————————————————————–

NATHAN DEAL (R) 9670 – 16.17%
ROY E. BARNES (D) 48235 – 80.65%
JOHN H. MONDS (L) 1828 – 3.06%

LT GOVERNOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59606

——————————————————————————–

L.S.CASEY CAGLE (I)(R) 10615 – 17.81%
CAROL PORTER (D) 47959 – 80.46%
DAN BARBER (L) 1011 – 1.70%

SECRETARY OF STATE
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 59511

——————————————————————————–

BRIAN KEMP (I) R 10267 – 17.25%
G. SINKFIELD (D) 47973 – 80.61%
DAVID CHASTAIN (L) 1204 – 2.02%

US SENATOR
Total
Number of Precincts 58
Precincts Reporting 58 100.0 %
Total Votes 58631

——————————————————————————–

JOHNNY ISAKSON (I) (R) 10864 – 18.53%
MICHAEL THURMOND (D) 46993 – 80.15%
CHUCK DONOVAN (L) 733 – 1.25%

US HOUSE 13
Total
Number of Precincts 56
Precincts Reporting 56 100.0 %
Total Votes 57518

——————————————————————————–

MIKE CRANE( R) 10443 – 18.16%
DAVID SCOTT (I) D 47005 – 81.72%

STATE HOUSE 77
Total
Number of Precincts 11
Precincts Reporting 11 100.0 %
Total Votes 9599

——————————————————————————–

JAMES BROWN (R) 1074 – 11.19%
DARRYL JORDAN (I) D 8515 – 88.71%

……..Ask me if Victor Hill stands any chance of ever being our Sheriff; If he so desires to seek the office again ?

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
10:27 am

….MARTA ?
… Trusting our Elected Officials to do the right thing ?
….I’m just glad to have settled down in the most Northern End of Clayton County in Forest Park; This places me in another world. :)

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
10:41 am

….Even a Dog knows better than to do his business where he sleeps.

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 3rd, 2010
1:08 pm

@ Clayton76

“Clayton County has prospered for over 150 years without a silly, money eating, bureaucratic, inefficient transportation system”

Are you kidding? Clayton is the worst county of the big 5 and probably the worst in the entire metro area. Why do you think when ATL tore down all the projest the lower income folks went to CC? The nice areas are in the southern part of the county and thats probably a spill over from Fayette and Henry counties.

People keep talking about bailing out MARTA. MARTA will be extending services into the county which means it will be spending more money to operate buses and to build rail. How is this bailing out the existing MARTA system? The little bit of money will probably barely be enough to cover extending the rail and to pay for operating both the buses and trains. It’s about options. C-Tran had little users because they had long routes that criss crossed the entire northern county to provide coverage. I see why people didn’t want to use it. With MARTA there will be rail service which is much faster and preferred. Second, the bus routes will be much shorter and provide more direct service to the stations. That will make them more attractive to people who don’t mind a 10 or 15 minute bus ride to a train versus a hour long bus ride all over the county.

People are making suggestions like use the money to buy everyone cars. What is that going to do but make more congestion on the roads and highways and pollute the air. There are even people that want to secede from metro ATL. I mean don’t these fools know that if they weren’t apart of the metro area they wouldn’t have the nice things they have. That is the benefit of being near a large city. All of their nice communities and their good jobs. ATL is the reason for all of it. ATL is the tax money generator for the entire state but all people want to do is bash on ATL and bash on the transit system that helps ATL move.

@ BW November 2nd, 2010 4:24 pm and xivinrah November 1st, 2010 8:01 pm
thanks for making sense with your comments.

And for all those who say C-Tran brought crime and thugs and that these people don’t pay taxes… get a life. Someone has to own the buildings the renters live in right? Don’t you think the owner of the building pays taxes? That means that if there are no renters he has to pay the taxes himself (or herself). Now if the owner can’t pay it then then goes another abandond building that is just sitting there not generating taxes for the county!

Trust the thugs and criminals are not sitting around waiting for buses and train to come and do what they do. If you look ATL mostly has home breakins and smash and grabs. Both require a vehicle to do. The crime was already there in CC before C-Tran and is there after. Nothing has changed other than the people that didn’t have a car and depended on transit who were actually trying to work or go to school and do something constructive don’t have options now.

Face it… the entire metro region needs some type of transit, even if it is just express buses and commuter rail. PAY UP!! It is for the benefit of the entire region. Every great metro region has great public transit! I was just on MARTA and all I saw were working class people and tourist. Not thugs and criminals.

People aren’t going to be satisfied until the highways are like parking lots all times of the day and gas is $8 and $9 bucks a gallon. Where will the options be at when you are looking for another way to get around?

Daryl

November 3rd, 2010
1:14 pm

I cannot believe that approximately 40% of the ClayCo residents want to see another bus service in this county…Especially when we know how well it has worked for us in the past. With the demise of C-TRAN, I am starting to see the improvement in our communities and the sense of pride being restored…

Why in the world would we want to bring back a medium that will bring another wave of Section 8s into our strugglng county? This is plain crazy to me. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over when we know that the result will be negative instead of doing something that we know will bring about a positive result….Please tell your neighbors the facts…MARTA will simply knock us back down the toilet bown just as we are trying to climb out. VOTE NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!

Daryl

November 3rd, 2010
1:22 pm

To Roach above,

I get disgusted when I hear people talk about “What Europe has” or “What Europe does”…Thise is coming from people that may have only been to these places on a two-week vacation , if at all. I have lived in many countries throughout my life (Germany, France, Italy, UK), and I can honestly say without a doubt, that America is hands-down the best country that I have ever lived.

What these folks need to do is pack up and go live there for a few years and then come back with their report. Like many “Spoiled” Americans, I guarantee they won’t like what they see…Me personally, I love this country, I love my State, and I am trying to love my county….Help us all out by stop being so idealistic and start figuring out realistic solutions to help our county. Mass transit doesn’t work here, and no ClayCO resident in their right mind wants our city to be like Philly, DC, or New York.

Bryan -- MARTA supporter

November 3rd, 2010
1:29 pm

http://www.examiner.com/metro-transportation-in-atlanta/georgia-election-results-glass-half-full-review

GO CLAYTON!! Looks like people want MARTA in CC!!

“Overwhelmingly, voters of Clayton County approved a referendum that would bring a 1% sale’s tax to the county to fund mass transit and add Clayton county to the City of Atlanta, Fulton & Dekalb counties’ MARTA system.”

GO MARTA TOO!!

VERY SMART CLAYTON!

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
1:31 pm

…I know that few or none of you agrees with on this Forum, but nobody will have one reason to believe that I see our county from Rose Colored Windows.
..What Eldrin Bell did, by approaching ministers about offering free rides to county voters…need I say more ?

…We cannot no longer depend on the rest of our State for our survival; What Clayton County has to offerings in our State Legislature and to me, that is shameful.
….Most of you probably disagrees, but, I’m only stating my lopsided opinion again, as always.
……..Your Friend; Oscar “DoubleAction” Knight

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
1:39 pm

Bryan — MARTA supporter :( (” GO CLAYTON!! Looks like people want MARTA in CC!!” ))

…They also wanted Roy Barnes as their Governor !!..

LawAbidingVetRetired

November 3rd, 2010
1:57 pm

…I always read the fine print

“Eldrin Bell”
“partnered”
…”county ministers”
“voters”
“election”
“emphasize the importance”
“free rides”

..You are welcome mixed these ingredients together, anyway you want, but the results will always come out the same way every time .

http://riverdale.11alive.com/content/free-rides-clayton-county-voters