More options for C-Tran Riders

Although C-Tran service will end Wednesday, March 31,  as scheduled, thanks to the passage of House Bill 1393 riders have hope that it will eventually be restored. However, Clayton county voters now get to decide whether or not to approve an extra penny sales tax in order to fund C-Tran service in the future. Commissioner Sonna Singleton commented on 11 Alive News that 5,000 C-Tran riders will be affected, although 270,000 Clayton residents help pay for the service.

Despite the FTA’s refusal to fund new Xpress routes aimed at C-Tran riders, there are still commuter options available as several areas of Atlanta such as downtown, midtown and Buckhead have transporation management associations eager to help riders find clean commuting options to work and school.

I have read on this blog and elsewhere that some rode C-Tran in order to save gas and avoid vehicle wear and tear. For those who have access to a car and can partner with other riders, carpooling is an option. Sign up with RideSmart to connect with commuters that work and live near you, and share similar work hours.

Another choice is vanpooling, which currently operates a route departing from the JC Penney outlet in Forest Park. According to the Web site they are open to starting new routes and typically, 7-15 riders are needed to create one.

“The cost to ride the van varies, and the route and final destination are decisions made by the group of commuters who will ride and drive the van. The commuters end up operating the van in a way that is mutually agreed upon among the riders, within certain rules set by the van provider,” says Sara Milton, Project Manager of Central Atlanta Progress, Inc.

Which commuter option would you consider in lieu of C-Tran?

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There are three existing Xpress routes available for those who can get to a park and ride lot. The closest for most C-Tran riders would probably be the #442 (Riverdale to Downtown Atlanta), but the #440 (Hampton-Jonesboro to Downtown Atlanta) and #441 (Jonesboro to Midtown Atlanta) are also possibilities. Xpress expects crowding on these routes once C-Tran ends, and will try to accommodate passengers with any spare coaches they may have available.

All of these options qualify for the Clean Air Campaign’s Commuter Rewards Program, where riders who log in daily are randomly selected each month to win $25 gift cards for using clean commuting options regularly. According to Milton, Carpool Rewards winners are not randomly chosen - as long as both carpool partners log in their rides daily online, they will get a $40 or $60 gift card for 3 or more person carpools.

129 comments Add your comment

bigdogears

March 29th, 2010
10:51 am

Kudos to Commissioner Singleton stating her case and to the whole commission (except Eldrin) for standing there ground! This is not 1st grade. You shouldn’t penalize the whole class for something done by 1 person and you don’t tax 270,000 residents for the decisions of 5000.

stanthefireman

March 29th, 2010
11:00 am

Put it to Vote !!!! I am willing to pay more for the school system BUT not C-Tran !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clayton resident

March 29th, 2010
11:15 am

I agree let Clayton residents vote on this.

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al

March 29th, 2010
12:01 pm

I am not willing to pay for a tax increase for anything and surely NOT for C-Tran. Let’s say NO to an increase in sale tax and C-Tran for once and for ALL. A big fat “NO”….Enough already!!!!

worldrimroamer

March 29th, 2010
12:17 pm

Listen up, Brainiacs: The problem is not that 270,000 pay taxes for it and only 5,000 use it. The problem is that ONLY 5,000 ARE USING IT! Duh! Hello!?? There is not one single mass-transit system on Earth that is not subsidized by tax monies, and tax monies also fund Interstates, bridges, airports, hospitals, public parks, museums, schools (hey, I don’t have any children, but do I mind paying school taxes? NO!). If these 21-mpg SUV-driving spoiled yuppie idiots parked their ridiculous, environmentally devastating monstrosities and used mass transit (like they do in Paris, London, New York, Boston, San Fransisco, Moscow, Amsterdam, Zurich, Rome — almost every city everywhere except for the cesspool faux “cities” like Dallas and Atlanta and Birmingham, then we wouldn’t have the problem of 270,000 v. 5,000, would we?

All For CC

March 29th, 2010
12:21 pm

Clayton County needs mass transit if it is have any chance to grow and prosper. One of the things any major employer will look at before locating a plant is transportation, another is the school system. HB 1218 would have given us a chance at a 21st century regional transportation system. MARTA is at best an under funded mismanaged early 20th century system with a narrow focus.

The County Commission said that C-Tran costs the taxpayers of Clayton County $18 Million. HB 1393 will allow the voters to decide if they want to join MARTA.
A 1% sales tax would generate $48 Million. Before I would vote for such a tax I would demand assurances that the extra $30 Million is going be spent in Clayton County (Fat Chance). Marta has been running a $120 Million deficit I sincerely doubt they will pass up the opportunity for a Clayton County bail out. Watch for a big PR campaign, track who funds it.

MARTA is not the answer!

My two cents...

March 29th, 2010
2:30 pm

Hear this: The state will not have a substantive conversation about transportation. Now explain to me how CTRAN taking residents up to the local HotWing place to work is going to attract businesses.

It is simple economics. We can not afford CTRAN.

sn nash

March 29th, 2010
2:36 pm

Obviously none of you people against the tax increase in order to save C-Tran are Clayton County residents. If you are, you are fooling yourselves. Do you have any idea how bad it will get if people cant get to work? There are already enough desperados out here breaking into homes and robbing people at gunpoint. Imagine those who are capable of the same but have a job that keeps them from going that route. Desperate situations can invoke much violence and discord. Some things are worth paying for. If something isnt done to keep C-Tran running Clayton County will be a war zone before long.

gttim

March 29th, 2010
3:24 pm

Everybody pays for roads and bridges, yet not everybody drives. Everybody pays for public schools, yet not everybody has kids. Everybody pays for airports, yet not everybody flies. Government taxes for these things, and the public uses what it needs. Trying to just opt out of what you do not use is not how it works.

SA

March 29th, 2010
3:58 pm

If you build it they will come. If you take it away, they will leave. Not only do I vote we eliminate C-Tran for good but I vote we get rid of HUD housing, rentals, pawn shops, half of the businesses on Tara Blvd. and their like across the county and everything else that attracts these degenerates. In fact, if you do not have a college education, certification, or trade skill, are over 35 and you rent, you should be forced to leave too.

bigdogears

March 29th, 2010
4:11 pm

I don’t have any children but I do mind paying more in taxes for a bus system that only helps to reduce my own way of life. ClayCo. is not Boston or NYC and does not need mass transit. Atlanta needs ClayCo. to have mass transit so they can continue to dump on us!

How does Peachtree City continue to attract businesses without a bus service? Maybe it’s there schools!

sn nash: You’re not scaring anybody! Some things are worth paying for but C-Tran isn’t one of them. Good schools, now that’s worth paying for. That’s why parents will pay more for a house in a good school district.

NoWay

March 29th, 2010
4:53 pm

If this is put up to vote, it will LOSE resoundingly.

Annie

March 29th, 2010
5:54 pm

Wow, I just love all those comments agreeing with tax icreases. Like all those poor people in Dekalb county living in apartments agreeing with property tax increases. I understand that you all came from poverty stricken, disfunctional families but it is never too late to learn: in this country you are free to pay for causes you believe in. If you really care so much than pay for it, but do not force us to pay for your transportation and for your childs education. Oh, I know its easier to run your mouth than actualy do something.

Monique

March 29th, 2010
7:47 pm

I know the perfect spot for a new Xpress line. On the corner of Southlake Pkwy. & Mt. Zion Rd. right across the street from the Shell Gas Station and the Lay-Z-Boy. That lot has been empty for years.

Janay

March 29th, 2010
7:48 pm

I am a Clayton resident and I do NOT want the bus service. Get rid of it and if you need the bus and must leave then go!! I especially do not want a 1% tax hike either. Definitely NOT!!

No surprise!

March 29th, 2010
9:51 pm

Bring on the vote! It does not stand a chance! And “worldrimroamer”, you are a jealous person. If you had excelled in school, worked hard, you too could have money to ride in a Hummer(If thats what you wanted). But obviously you did not make it. That is not our fault. We were working, and studying, while you were ???????

ASimpleTruth

March 29th, 2010
10:11 pm

Just say NO to CTRAN. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

CTRAN is a drain on the county’s finances. Many people who use CTRAN are also drains on our society (crime, poor parenting, gov’t dependant, etc).

Certain elected leaders allowed these people to move here to increase their voter base. I say, let’s return the favor of them trashing Clayton, and vote out all incumbants this year and in 2012. Until the voters rise up and votes these clowns out, nothing is ever going to change.

Like Obama said, its time for change!

Sick Of It All

March 29th, 2010
10:13 pm

Bottom line CTran needs to go. If it doesn’t then the current politicians should, starting with Eldrin Bell. Eldrin knew what he was doing when he arranged to dump Atlanta’s problems on us & it has cost Clayton County the quality of living that it once had. Now he wants to do another back door deal to help bail out Marta.

Someone above used Peachtree City as an example. I personally wouldn’t mind paying more taxes or having the cost to live in Clayton increased along the same lines as Peachtree City……if we got the quality of life that Peachtree City has. What I don’t want to do, is subsidize a cesspool like Clayton currently is. I wish South Clayton could break off & become part of Fayette or Henry. I now see how North Fulton feels and understand why it wanted to become Milton County.

Resident

March 29th, 2010
10:20 pm

No I am not in agreement to a 1 cent sales tax. That will put us at 8% on goods that you buy. Do I think that mass transit is needed for some people, Yes. Do I think that I should help to pay for this system by way of a sales tax or property tax increase, No.

People will lose their jobs because of this, people will not have any other form of transportation because of this. However, I prefer my Commissioner (Singleton) to make a tough decision and come up with budget cuts and hopefully getting us back on track instead of playing the “good guy” like Bell is doing and not finding a solution to the problem of a budget deficit for the county.

Mike

March 30th, 2010
12:56 am

MARTA is in the debacle that it’s in because it is 1) the only transit system in the country that gets zero funding from the state and 2) even though the state gives zero funds to MARTA, it can tell MARTA how much it must spend for operational and capital improvements. MARTA was set up by the state to fail! Things would be a lot different if the state was on board, but we all know the rednecks running this state could care less about MARTA and Atlanta. I think it would be smart to extend MARTA into Clayton County. I don’t understand why every single county in the metro area has to have its own transit system. It’s too disconnected and it doesn’t work as well as one comprehensive system!

The Great 1

March 30th, 2010
1:21 am

C-tran simply does not work for the county. I feel for the people who are going to be affected by it’s closing, I do but if the funding is not there then it’s not there.

wwjd

March 30th, 2010
5:53 am

There sure are a lot of self-righteous and selfish people around here. They scare me. What’s the world coming to? What about people who are not fortunate enough to have a car, or people who care enough about the environment to use public transportation? You want them to move somewhere else? Wow!

Barbara

March 30th, 2010
6:05 am

I been here in Clayton county for 14 years and it is a mess now. I will pay for a 1 cent sales tax for the school system not for the bus. I see people walking down the street with beer cans and alcohol and it was a time you didn’t see that at all.There was a time when No one was walking down the streets I moved away from that. I’m sorry when the time come I’m voting no and I know others in my neighborhood also are voting no. I’m not a renter but a home owner and there are renters that don’t care about how they keep up the property and let there kids tear up the neighborhood and if you are the ones that do care you need to talk to those other people that are making in bad for you and others and also another problem having living assistant homes that don’t have a license and people that shouldn’t be out in a neighborhood with kids.

Shannon, M.Div.

March 30th, 2010
7:37 am

Annie, honestly. Landlords are not, by and large, generous souls who don’t pass the costs of property tax onto their tenants. People who live in apartments are well aware that they are voting for a modest increase in their rent when their lease rolls around again.

But let’s take you seriously. I believe in mass transit and not in roads. So by your words, I shouldn’t have to pay a penny for roads. Are we clear? Come to think of it, I shouldn’t have to pay a penny for the military, either. I’m a pacifist (because I’m a Christian). I also shouldn’t have to pay for abstinence-only education in schools, since it’s been shown to be ineffective at preventing pregnancy. Also, I should definitely NOT be paying any subsidies to the airline industry.

Are you really that blind? Do you believe that you hit a triple because you were born on third base? Have you no compassion, human decency, or common sense?

(For the record, my husband and I each do have a car, but if Atlanta had more comprehensive mass transit, I would LOVE to get rid of my car).

Give someone a fish, provide a meal for the day.
Teach someone to fish, and apparently they completely forget that they had to be taught to fish… and they’re determined that nobody else better learn to fish unless they cough up some fish first as payment because by God this is America and you learn to fish because your momma and daddy teach you or else you’re no good and get out.
Furthermore, ain’t nobody going to learn to fish while they’re hungry–but who cares? They aren’t like Us. If it’s a service needed by the middle class, then we’ll talk, but the working poor? For God’s sake, don’t offer them basic medical care and a way to get to work.

big

March 30th, 2010
8:31 am

Let’s clean up Clayton County and this is the chance to do so. No more C-Tran in this county. It’s been awful since it’s arrived a few years ago. Let’s get back to being a decent county, again. Let’s try to get bus services in Henry, Fayette and Coweta counties. I don’t think it will go over so well. We feel the same way in Clayton. Let’s stop the madness. I am tried of these folks who are trying to keep C-Tran, if you really want to do something buy my house, so I can’t get out of this county.

al

March 30th, 2010
8:34 am

Let’s clean up Clayton County and this is the chance to do so. No more C-Tran in this county. It’s been awful since it’s arrived a few years ago. Let’s get back to being a decent county, again. Let’s try to get bus services in Henry, Fayette and Coweta counties. I don’t think it will go over so well. We feel the same way in Clayton. Let’s stop the madness. I am tried of these folks who are trying to keep C-Tran, if you really want to do something buy my house, so I can’t get out of this county. See C-Tran go, go, go, go.

Mr. Nobody

March 30th, 2010
9:05 am

sn nash asks- “Do you have any idea how bad it will get if people cant get to work”?

UGHHH…is it not already bad? It’s Clayton County! What a joke!

OK, so let’s have a sales tax increase to keep C-Tran around, which in return will keep the 5000 people who rely on the public transportation from breaking into homes! Great logic! Have you ever considered running for office?

Mr. Nobody

March 30th, 2010
9:14 am

Shannon-typical hippy-liberal rant. Liberals are only generous with other peoples money.

Looking past Clayton County

March 30th, 2010
9:23 am

What makes Commisioner Singleton think I would waste my time in November to vote for a sales tax increase for C-tran. Clayton County is already eating me up in school taxes for a delapidated school system. Maybe, this is a wake up call for some folks to go and get an education and buy their own vehicles and stop depending on someone else. Clayton County is a Nightmare, yes I live in the county because I can’t sell my home…

Your invitation to leave is open

March 30th, 2010
9:24 am

Get the hell on all of you small minded, ignorant, country people who really believe the problem in Clayton County is the working poor and less fortunate. Guess what there are those who have more than you do and they view you in the same way that you are viewing those who have less than you.

That is why you stay in Clayton because you can not move to the upper class communities that you claim are better than your own community. You do not have the money to move but you keep trying to act as though you do. You would not fit in there because they will look down on you the same way you do others. Poor minded asses that you are. You are classless without culture. Get the hell on or just shut up!

retired teacher

March 30th, 2010
9:37 am

Taxes are already so high. I now live in a state with no income tax, no ad valorem tax, low property taxes, and only 8% sales tax…….You can only keep taxing people so much..they will move.

Clayton Resident

March 30th, 2010
9:52 am

I’m not going to apologize for wanting my neighborhood to improve. Hopefully the hard working C-Tran riders will stay but for the loser thug life ones that are dredges on society making the lifestyle in Clayton worse & keeping us on the nightly news, get ta steppin!

ahard

March 30th, 2010
9:57 am

Why the media are keep reporting that 65% of citizens are C-Tran riders. That’s not true. There are 270,000 in Clayton and only 5000 who ride C-Tran, according to my calculation that’s not 65% of residents. I say 265,000 citizens say NO to a sale tax increase and NO to the elected officials wanting to keep it. VOTE THEM OUT THIS YEAR AND IN 2012. And for those of you who keep comparing Atlanta/Clayton to other cities. If you like those places so much, then move there.

KEEPING IT REAL

March 30th, 2010
10:05 am

I am a 12 year resident of Clayton County and I say get rid of C-Tran. I’m African American and I have no problem saying that Riverdale Rd has become a Ghetto every since C-Tran arrived. It’s sad to say this but it’s true. The community has taken a major blow with the arrival of C-Tran. It’s a known fact that public transportation brings crime to the community. Public Transportation plays a very small role in major companies moving to the community.

I have concerns on where the people who use C-Tran will move but this is being done for finacial reasons. I will not support a Tax increase for the bus when our school system is horrible. It just sounds crazy, “We have public transportation but our schools are horrible”. The same energy that is being put forward to save a bus system, should be the same energy to save a school system.

KEEPING IT REAL

March 30th, 2010
10:14 am

NO INCREASE SALES TAX FOR C-TRAN… GET A CAR OR MOVE.

cracker

March 30th, 2010
11:26 am

It’s a known fact that public transportation brings crime to the community. if a white person said that it would be considered racist

bigdogears

March 30th, 2010
11:38 am

Kimberly: Why has the AJC put so much effort into illustrating the poor and pitifully disadvantaged in Clayton County and done nothing to investigate resident’s claims that Atlanta has systematically emptied its housing projects to our detriment?

hard life

March 30th, 2010
11:44 am

This should have never happen to the people in Clayton County. I live in Dekalb and every time I look in the paper and it is something about Clayton County I think back to the School Board situation with them losing Accrediation for nothing. I constantly ask people didn’t the Commissioners’, the Clayton Delegation, and the Chamber of Commerece think about joining in with Mark Elgart to take Accrediation for One(1) illegal board meeting in which he was in attendance along with the governor liasions, and he said, “they like Governance” wasn’t going to a financial hardship on the entire County then they were all crazy. They all should feel bad because they have caused this County dearly and they should all see now that it truly wasn’t about the School Board it was about destroying the Entire Clayton County Government. Mark Elgart, Clayton Delegation, the Chamber of Commerce, and Eldrin Bell should be happy. They have truly accomplished their mission to destroy Clayton County. Now, they do not want C-Tran. People you all better wake up and figure out who is running this county? Are they for the people or for themself ? I will hope that they can come together for the good of the people. Because they are getting ready to lose more money so your taxes will be going up regardless. So, I say to the people in Clayton County watch how this play out and watch your taxes.

SA

March 30th, 2010
3:23 pm

10% of life is made up of what happens to you, 90% of life is decided by how you react. If hard working C-Tran riders have an ounce of ambition, it’ll all work out. Those who don’t, you’re not welcome here anyways.

Tell The Truth

March 30th, 2010
4:16 pm

Raising the sales tax is a lose-lose for Clayton county. If taxes are raised, people like myself, would simply conduct business in neighboring counties that often times have a better variety of stores and a lower tax rate. Why would residents support a county that doesn’t listen to its voters. Rep. Roberta Abdul Salaam knows that C-Tran is gone, but is posturing for her base. By the way, what has she done meaningful while under the ‘Gold Dome’?

Donald

March 30th, 2010
4:42 pm

Operation Restore Clayton back to Respectability update…

Phase I: Get rid of C-Tran is now in effect…

jimmy (conservative brother)

March 30th, 2010
5:34 pm

Here we go again… C-Tran has got to go. So we don’t want pay for it in property taxes but somehow these geniuses under the gold dome think we want to pay for it every time we buy something… No… Not just no but heck no.
We have already accepted an increase in the millage rate so that we could keep the police and fire departments going. We accepted the splost increase for whatever that was for. How much more of your money do you want to give. Some wise person once said, “It is not the place of government to be benevolent with the people’s money.” 270,000 people are to pay more so that 5000 people can pay less. No.
When I was 15 years old living in this county I realized that I needed a car in order to get around. I got a job. I saved my money and I bought a car. I didn’t ask for any help. I did what needed to be done. I guess I got that from my mother who also growing up in this county realized she needed to be able to drive in order to function in this county. I watched as she taught herself to drive so that she would not be dependent on my father or anyone else to get around.
Stop it people. Pay your own way and stop asking others to sacrifice for your shortcomings.
For the person who thinks that businesses are looking for places with public transit. No businesses are looking for employees who are efficient enough to find their way to work and who will show up for work prepared and on time. I don’t know too many businesses who are looking to move to a place where the residents accept tax increases like candy. Those tax increases affect the business bottom line. The business bottom line affects how many people it can employ.

RantNRave!

March 30th, 2010
9:55 pm

Great example of a typical CTran user AJC. A guy employed at only ONE $9.00/hour job and living with his unemployed baby momma. I know she is in school but why isn’t she employed also? I am a married mother of two and I have a full time job. Lots of full time college students work a full time job. I know a woman who attended medical school while raising four kids. Why hasn’t this couple maximized their own economic potential? Here’s an idea: Get another job (OR TWO) and marry your baby momma. DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CHILDREN WITH YOUR BABY MOMMA OR ANY OTHER WOMAN UNTIL YOU IMPROVE YOUR LOT IN LIFE!!!!!!! A grown man’s Plan B should not be move back in with “momma them”.

Metro Atlanta will never be a cosmopolitan city like those up North or in the Midwest. There are way too many hayseeds under the Gold Dome for that to happen any time soon. Until then YOU MUST OWN A CAR TO SUCCESSFULLY FUNCTION IN METRO ATLANTA. A sixteen year old boy can purchase a fifteen year old hooptie working at McDonalds or cutting grass over the summer. An adult who knows that their employment opportunity in metro Atlanta is largely limited by lack of reliable transportation can surely do the same. Order your priorities and stop dropping all of your money at the Korean mule hair shop getting those GHETTO A** looking hairstyles that will limit your opportunity (GARISH, CLOWNISH AND UNPROFESSIONAL), inappropriate visible body art that costs big money and limits any upward mobility (NECK TATS, VISIBLE LEG TATS. BOOB TATS), and stupid looking grills/mouth jewelry. Take off those CHILDISH looking Geranimal looking outfits with the baseball cap, the hoodie with the “thing” on the back, the tee shirt with the “thing” on the front and the giant jeans with the same “things” on the back pockets. No man out of high school should be dressed in these Gymboree looking outfits! STOP WEARING THEM IF YOU ARE A GROWN MAN! YOU WILL NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY ANYONE EXCEPT BURGER KING.

JustAnOpinion

March 30th, 2010
11:12 pm

I am so speechless, when it comes to the outright selfishness some people have in their comments. What is interesting the people with the slanderous vile opinions on C-Tran, do not use it. You say you won’t pay for C-Tran, will that is like saying “I don’t use Riverdale Road,” yet your tax dollars are used to maintain it. I do use C-Tran from time to time, I am fortunate to have a vehicle. However, it is no reason that a person who isn’t as fortunate as some of us, should be penalized. Think about this…an elderly woman who goes to the dialysis clinic off of Upper Riverdale Road, she does not have a car, but she needs the bus to help her sustain her life, what about that student, who has a rocky home, but his motivation is his school, he has to utilize C-Tran to get to and from. Parents that are barely making ends meet, use C-Tran to go to work. How can some of you even dare say you “won’t pay.” What happen to compassion for your community. I’d like to think if this were some of your family members, you’d be parading around just like the rest of the “effected,” to keep this service going. Clayton County is going to loose businesses, who pay taxes, in turn that funds some of your children’s education. I agree with one who states, Marta is not the answer. I say keep, C-Tran local so locals can obtain a job, funds can stimulate local economy. Here’s another point, C-Tran’s fare is 1.50…this is the lowest in the metro area. The Commission voted to scrap it before seeking alternative options. I am certain the riders are willing to pay 2.00 dollars or more to cover the cost. This of course is another political move…well done Singletary, Edmundson, Hambrick and Ralph. They were the ones who voted to pay 8 MILLION dollars to GARTA to take over the system. Now, this is not rocket science, your money still is paying for something that you are not using. So this commission is wasteful and not considerate of it people. They just sentenced that elderly woman to death, that child to the drop out pool and who knows what other effects this will cause. I want to encourage the people of Clayton County, to use your power and vote these commissioners out and get some smart ones in.

Sick Of It All

March 30th, 2010
11:50 pm

Tell the Truth, you are exactly right. I will shop in neighboring Henry, Spalding or even Fayette. A few years ago, when other counties became so hostile toward Clayton, I kept my money in Clayton. I drove miles out of my way to shop in Morrow when I am minutes away from shopping centers in both Fayette & Henry. I even started banking at a local branch. If this sales tax increase passes, I will not spend one dime more than I have to in Clayton.

And to the above poster who resorted to calling residents names….ignorant, country, etc you are not helping generate any sympathy. You are just appearing to be the type of individual that everyone is wanting gone. What about an honest, intelligent, adult debate ? Also as far as the socioeconomic level of Clayton residents is concerned…you must not travel to south Clayton much. If you every venture out, maybe you should take a gander at the higher income level housing in Lake Spivey and Hampton. Contrary to what the media likes to show, not everyone in Clayton County is poor.

Sick Of It All

March 30th, 2010
11:57 pm

World Rim Roamer, when I no longer have to worry about getting harmed on public transit, then I will use it. And please, dont’ try to tell me my fears are unfounded. Tried Marta a few times to go to games, had to threaten to knock the hell out of a relentless begger on the train & had to keep someone from trying to still a friend’s cell phone. Let’s not even forget the young man that was just killed at the train station. Get rid of the pollution (thugs) on the public transportation system and I will stop driving & polluting the air.

Progressive African American

March 31st, 2010
8:03 am

Look at all of the people who have their hands in the pot!!! Follow the money!!! AJC.com, news media, other counties not wanting the undesirables to move closer to MARTA stops/stations in their area. That is the only reason why the media keeps falsifying the percentage of people using it.
I wonder how much money State Rep. Roberta Abdul-Salaam (D-Riverdale) is being handed by other county heads in order to try and keep this system in Clayton (Maybe enough to pay her taxes)?
When this bill comes out to be voted on it will fail drastically. If it doesn’t fail we the people should ensure that the vote counts are kept transparent and demand a re-count and verify the voters addresses!

WTF?

March 31st, 2010
8:56 am

“Mellerson said she knows people who “are actually going out to buy cars with no insurance and no driver’s license.”"

Did ya’ll see this in today’s AJC article? Clayton residents be careful out there when driving and I hope the CCPD will be out in full force before unlicensed drivers hurt anyone.

Shannon, M.Div.

March 31st, 2010
9:12 am

Aptly-named Mr. Nobody, I proudly claim the label of liberal. I can’t speak for all liberals, but I’m generous with my own money, too. And there are worse things to be than a “hippie”–someone who believes in love toward all, freedom for everyone, and pacifism.

But it’s much easier to just dismiss an argument with a label or two rather than take it apart substantively, isn’t it? Demonize someone with the label of “liberal,” and suddenly you don’t have to engage their ideas.

I’d engage your ideas, if you had any. So far, your “idea” seems to be “People can’t get to work? Whatever, not my problem.”

Shannon

March 31st, 2010
9:14 am

Aptly-named Mr. Nobody, I proudly claim the label of liberal. I can’t speak for all liberals, but I’m generous with my own money, too. And there are worse things to be than a “hippie”–someone who believes in love toward all, freedom for everyone, and pacifism.

But it’s much easier to just dismiss an argument with a label or two rather than take it apart substantively, isn’t it? Demonize someone with the label of “liberal,” and suddenly you don’t have to engage their ideas.

I’d engage your ideas, if you had any. So far, your “idea” seems to be “People can’t get to work? Whatever, not my problem.” Oh, and of course… Those people are undesirables, right? Not Like Us.

JustAnOpinion

March 31st, 2010
9:22 am

To posters who think C-Tran is the causde to alot of trouble, I agree in part; look at this way, I think elimanting the systems will drive crimes like grand theft auto up. Despirity drives ignorance and ignorance is crime. As far as safety on public transit, I totally agree with you (Sick of it all). You know perhaps, the commission can look at compromises for each party…riders and non riders. Compromises such as have police in street clothes who ride or perhaps have security cameras installed and etc. C-tran is a small percentage of the issues of crime…270,000 tax payers, 5,000 riders, you do the math…Clayton County needs culture, and its inhabitants (you and me) have to be serious about the community. Parents, need to have a curfew for kids in school, not standing around at the local gas stations, or street corner. People need to stop littering…there are tons of issues that non c-tran lovers can take on to make the “class,” or “imagine,” look better. People need to be at the commission meetings, voicing their opinions, about how the county is wasting your tax dollars on ignorance?

Mr. Nobody

March 31st, 2010
10:31 am

Shannon- I must have struck a nerve…how did people get to work before C-Tran? Before cars? Before liberals? Just remember, many people had to die on the battlefield to give you the right to free speech. That freedom that you love so much doesn’t come free. Constitutions are written in blood…not with Pacifism…we didn’t get where we are today from being pacifist…listen, with that aside, you believe that keeping C-Tran around will somehow (in your warped liberal mind) show how compassionate of a society we are…that we are helping those who are “less fortunate” blah, blah, blah. Nothing wrong with helping less fortunate, however, in this country the majority rules…when there are 270,000 people in a county and only 5,000 use the costly service, why should they have to continue to pick up the tab??? Do the math…You liberals always play the “compassion card” to try and win over the emotions of the dumb masses.

Personal Responsiblity

March 31st, 2010
10:38 am

For those 5,000 riders to fund an $8 Million dollar program, it would cost them each $1600 per year. For $1600 – you can buy a car at any of the no credit check car lots that dot Tara Blvd.

Ellenwood Resident

March 31st, 2010
10:56 am

I am not a person who likes to make a decision on opinions or gut feelings or hypotheticals but rather the information that is presented to all of us. Some of you may not agree with what I say but please let’s keep this civil.

(JustAnOpinion) you said “You say you won’t pay for C-Tran, will that is like saying I don’t use Riverdale Road, yet your tax dollars are used to maintain it.” While that is partly true, my tax dollars not only fund Riverdale Road but all the roads in the State and County which I do use. So yes, most of us are paying to use maintained roads whether using our cars or on mass transit buses. I do not think that you can compare paying taxes to fund C-Tran with paying taxes to help fund roads and bridges.

Jimmy (Conservative Brother)

March 31st, 2010
11:50 am

Just an opinion, we all pay for roads and highways because everyone benefits from them whether you actually own a car or not. Think about it even if you stayed in your house and never moved the goods and services you use are all transported via the roadway at some time. The other reasons you give are simply short sided thinking.
There are three elderly women in my family all in their eighties and they have a younger brother in his late seventies. The brother is the only one who drives. When they need to get somewhere the brother sometimes will drive locally and if they have to travel a distance there are other family members who will gladly step in and say, “I’m glad to help.”
Likewise when I was in college I maintained two jobs and paid for my vehicle and so did many of my friends. Stop making excuses. No one wants to hear them. The biggest excuse I see that you mentioned is, “less fortunate.” For the most part, “You are where you are because of the decisions you make.” Being Fortunate has nothing to do with it. RANTNRAVE said it so well above. The next time you see the C-tran story on the news look carefully at the complaining people and count the bad decisions.

WTF?

March 31st, 2010
12:06 pm

Just to tag on the “paying for roads” comments, the BUSES also use the roads too ya know so we’re paying to maintain roads and for the buses to operate on them sounds like double jeopardy.

Bryan

March 31st, 2010
12:17 pm

It’s terrible the classism and racism heard in these blogs. First Clayton is and WAS bad before the arrival of C-Tran and all the section 8 people that are coming from the ATL projects. Don’t blame what the people of Clayton let happen on a few people who ride the bus… 5,000 people aren’t going to turn a county with 270,000 as bad as it is now. You need to thank your council for allow all that section 8. The county made money off that at the expense of making the area a concentrating of lower income people. The same ones the “great residents” of CC voted in. Then when they bring a transit service people feel like the county just went down from there. Sorry didn’t happen like that. Not just from 5,000 riders or so, who most ride to get to work and school and medical appointments. Yeah those are the people bringing down the county… real smart!

Second I makes no sense for for a county that large not to have a transit option. I hate that MARTA isn’t running all 5 of the transit system to make it all one and better organized than having 5… well 4 different area providers. Crime doesn’t come when transit comes. Look at all the development built or planned around transit stations near MARTA. Transit is a major reason that large companies come to the area. Who wants their employees stressed and always late because there is no transit option? Your backwards thinking is going to push employers away from the metro area and definitely away from CC.

Third, is a 1% sales tax really that much? I mean dang you pay for something that is $1 a total of 1.07… now it goes up to 1.08! Are you really going to feel that? The way some of these people talk CC has so many well off people that don’t need transit but you can pay an extra PENNY on the dollar? Please! Then everyone says that Peachtree City and all these other area don’t have transit, well those areas are for people that want to commute into the city and don’t want to be close to the city. That’s fine but not in one of the big 5 counties. You are too close to ATL not to have a transit option. Everyone wants to talk about ATL and it’s problem and try to be separate from the city but you wouldn’t have nothing if it wasn’t for ATL. CC would look like the rest of Ga… nothing for fields and farms with small towns in between. If Clayton doesn’t want to be part of MARTA or the metro area and take the good AND bad that comes with it… leave! The metro area has 5.7 million.. take away the 270K… that rounds off to about 5.4 million… the metro area will be just fine… for that matter all the metro areas that don’t support ATL or MARTA can leave… still over 2 million to support it!

Fourth, save the racism. All this “baby momma” this and “ghetto” that. If you really know what went on you would know that the thugs and the trappers have cars and don’t take transit. What does a drug dealer look like on a bus for the police to run up on them and get caught easy? Are there poor people on the bus and trains.. yes! Are people commiting crimes.. no! Are there loud and roudy people.. yes.. sometimes.. the same ones that are in the grocery stores or malls or on the roads beside y’all! Transit is needed bottom line. Just like roads, schools, and police/fire depts. It’s needed. All that other stuff about C-Tran or MARTA must go is dumb and insensitive to your county. ATL has a lot more nicer areas that have MARTA and lower crime rates than most areas in Clayton. Wonder why in a recent survey in todays AJC says Clayton residents have the worst quality of life.. and that is from Clayton residents. LOL.. Clayton Sucks.. always has and always will!

Jive N*g Teach

March 31st, 2010
12:44 pm

Candlelight vigils? Loud exclamations at board meetings? Come on! Don’t raise hell– raise funds! This brief article is the only thing I’ve seen about alternatives. It would be nice if those who support C-Tran (and by extension, MARTA) would jointly or severally come up with
*alternative funding sources
* an alternative transportation system (van pools, “jitney” services, etc.)
* outreach to the business community to help (e.g. product or service promotion, advertising opportunities, small-business/large business partnerships, etc.)
* Effective legal challenges (e.g. concerted lobbying of the state legislature, including writing model legislation, “friend of the court” briefs, promises to provide goods, services, money, etc. to help offset costs, etc.)

People are acting as if “either the government pays for my bus” or “i will be unemployed and mad” are the only possible endgames to this mess.

Vote NO CTran in Clayton

March 31st, 2010
12:45 pm

Let’s go back to when there was no bus service in Clayton County, people were able to get to work. Atlanta dumped all their problems on Clayton County when they closed the projects. Thanks, Atlanta for nothing.

Jive Ng Teach

March 31st, 2010
12:45 pm

Candlelight vigils? Loud exclamations at board meetings? Come on! Don’t raise hell– raise funds! This brief article is the only thing I’ve seen about alternatives. It would be nice if those who support C-Tran (and by extension, MARTA) would jointly or severally come up with
*alternative funding sources
* an alternative transportation system (van pools, “jitney” services, etc.)
* outreach to the business community to help (e.g. product or service promotion, advertising opportunities, small-business/large business partnerships, etc.)
* Effective legal challenges (e.g. concerted lobbying of the state legislature, including writing model legislation, “friend of the court” briefs, promises to provide goods, services, money, etc. to help offset costs, etc.)

People are acting as if “either the government pays for my bus” or “i will be unemployed and mad” are the only possible endgames to this mess.

Bryan

March 31st, 2010
1:06 pm

Clayton County is a terrible place to be and it’s because of the people there that have been there for years. C-Tran or MARTA or Atlanta has nothing to do with it. You voted the people in office that allow all that section 8 housing to make money for the county and back fired. Now you don’t want to support a means for those poorer people to get around. You voted those people in office so CC is to blame for their own downfall. MARTA should have been in the county to provide service. Now your traffic is terrible and you quality of life is just as bad. Look at todays AJC and see the survey. CC was last in everything. People like Jimmy (Conservative Brother) and all those who down transit and show your racism and prejudice and classism you just show how far behind CC is and why your county is the way it is. Backwards thinking in an area that is part of a great metro area like Atlanta. Support the 1% tax and allow our region to have a great transit system so we can continue to grow and have great economic progress rather than going backwards like we are stuck in the 60s.

Big Pappi

March 31st, 2010
1:25 pm

RantNRave, you are right on point and I agree completely! If you choose to spend your money on high end smart phones,body art, weaves and other ridiculous hairstyles, and gaudy clothing and expensive sneakers you SHOULD NOT be getting free lunch for your kids, sect.8 or any other govt. handouts. Why do they think the tax payers would want to pay more for something that has for the most part been detrimental to our county and attracted an undesireable element. I sypathize for those who will be stranded. The county knew this day was coming when they accepted the TEMPORARY federal start-up funds. Something to really worry about: The ghettoization of Tara Blvd. Very disturbing that the main thoroughfare through the county could not support a Publix or a Long Horn Steakhouse.

Clayton Taxpayer

March 31st, 2010
2:27 pm

I believe there are many hard-working, honest people who use C-Tran and I feel terrible for them. I can’t imagine having to deal with the frustration of trying to support a family and not knowing how I will get to work.

Having said that, there’s no way in hell I’m going to vote for a tax increase – I don’t care if it is just a penny. Pennies add up and I’m at my breaking point. My property taxes have increased while the value of my home has decreased. I pay school taxes but won’t send my children to Clayton County Schools. I’ve had ENOUGH!

I hope that everyone who uses C-Tran to get to work and school are able to find alternate transporation.

Donald

March 31st, 2010
4:18 pm

Just check out the county satisfaction ratings on AJC, and guess what…SURPRISE!!!!! Clayton Clown-ty is scraping the bottom…again (Who would have thought it????)

Why as a CC resident, do I have to continue to suffer like this…? It’s like a never-ending nightmare and it really isn’t fair to the hard working people of CC that actually care about their communities. Then again, a lot of it is our fault for not leaving before the property values sunk to their current abyssmal level. Since I am stuck here, the best I can do is work with the system to try to help drag this county out of the toilet bowl.

C-Tran folding is a good first step, however, a lot more has to be done. The people that care must pull together as a community and demand some reform in the areas of mandating economic revitalization zones to spur industry here in the county. We must demand legislative curbs on section 8 and rentals that are turning vast tracts of our county into “projects”. We need to demand that our school system get its act together (Can someone out there explain why an elementary school is playing 50 cent during a school program, and the principal has the gall to defend it?).

We need to demand more from our youth. Since their parents apparently don’t care, society has to take care of the problem. Since we legislate everything else, how about a curfew for them to get the roving “gangs” off the late night streets. While we are at it, we need to legislate that businesses have to take better care of their properties. Driving down Tara or Hwy 85 makes me mad…If business don’t want to do little things like paint over grafitti or fix the potholes on their parking lots, they shouldn’t be in business….Condemn the properties, bulldoze ‘em down, and build City parks or whatever.

Okay, okay, I guess I am venting….Feeling like you are trapped in hell tends to make one act like that. I guess I will go sit out on my porch and watch my ghetto-fab neighbors walk around their weed-infested property with their pants sagging….It’s some great scenery….

tracy

March 31st, 2010
4:39 pm

I been a resident of Clayton County for 15 years when my husband and I moved here we knew the bus was not available that is WHY we moved.I moved from Forest Park last summer where I owned 2 homes for 14 years and moved to the Panhandle area of Clayton to get away from all crime and bus riders.I do not want to fund C-TRAN I SAY PUT IT TO A VOTE.My city is Fayetteville but county is still Clayton I pray that we can break away and become part of Fayette County.If we fund anthing in Clayton I say fund the schools so the staff can keep the jobs they have.Our priorities are in the wrong place.I vote 100 percent capital NO!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t use the bus why should I fund it most of the riders are renters not home owners my property taxws are high enough

Whoa

March 31st, 2010
6:40 pm

if you take the south most part of Clayton – ya gotta take Point South too

Whoa

March 31st, 2010
6:50 pm

Options for C-Tran riders?? – walk – bicycle – moped – scooter – motorcycle – car – truck – the generosity of friend – offer friends to help pay for gas – carpool – the thumb (hitch a ride) – then the most obvious, move back to Fulton and Dekalb. Thanks for the memories.

Spectator

March 31st, 2010
7:08 pm

@cracker: They say it everytime they vote not to have public transportation in their town.

I am with an earlier poster, when they vote to have public transporation in Henry, Rockdale, Coweta, Griffin, Jackson, Peachtree City and other parts of Fayette County, I will reconsider my position on C-TRAN!

I am just saying...

March 31st, 2010
7:29 pm

The people of Clayton were “had” years ago. They did not see it coming. Well, some did that is why they moved. For the rest of the people, you were “had”.

The board of commissioners sold out to the contractors/builders. When they closed the projects in Atlanta, the people had some where to move. Unfortunately, that was Clayton County.

The commissioner sold out for the temporary money that was offered to bring public transportation to Clayton. The new residents from Atlanta had to have a way to get around.

The change in leadership (School Board, commission, district attorney’s office and the sheriff office) was not prepared for the issues that came along with demographic shift.

It was a perfect storm!

If there is a silver lining in this recession, this is it. We have a chance to get it right in Clayton. We do not have the money to support foolishness!

With the exception of Eldrin Bell, I think the commission is more stable. I know the justice system is more stable. The office of Sheriff is more stable.

Now, the commissioners need to establish standards for building permits. When the housing market improves, make it attractive to build higher end homes or at least mid range homes.

GET RID OF C-TRAN.

Continue to demand that the school address foolishness!

Big Papi

March 31st, 2010
7:31 pm

The other commishioners finally showed some cojones and voted to let C-tran go. Bell, who is bordering on being irrelevant is pandering to the low income entitlement crowd: Pay for my bus ride, Pay for my kid’s school lunch, pay for my housing, pay for my health care………..gimme, gimme, gimme…….

BYE BYE!!

March 31st, 2010
8:28 pm

Nana Nana Nana hey hey say goodbye!! Heee Heee!! Thank you maybe we can get this county back on track! As far as business closing because of lack of employees . Thats the most ridiculous thing i ever heard! ITs a recession people! Everyone is looking for jobs and they will take it without riding C Tran! Your brothers south of the border will gladly do your job. You live by the system you are going to die by the system. Havent we learned anything from Hurricane Katrina. Wise up and pull your self up by your boot straps even if you dont have any! Take charge of your life!

ASimpleTruth

March 31st, 2010
9:46 pm

I think its shameful how ‘these people’ are moaning on tv about their lost bus option. Excuse me? But, weren’t you told LAST YEAR that CTRAN was ending March 31st??? You had HOW LONG
(6+ months) to make other arrangements? I’m sorry, but you’re ADULTS, not children!

GOODBYE CTRAN! PLEASE DON’T EVER COME BACK!!!!

Concerned Citizen

March 31st, 2010
10:16 pm

Only in Clayton County would people be opposed to mass transit! We are bucking the worldwide trend here. less pollution, less wear and tear on the road thus less money to fix roads. Georgia is so dame ass backwards it’s not even funny! Glad we got out when we did

Sick Of It All

April 1st, 2010
12:11 am

Concerned Citizen….glad you got out as well. Hope you’re happy where you are. Atlanta was not designed to be like northern cities no matter how much northerners may want it to be. I find it amazing that people come to an area & do nothing but complain about it. If your area of origin is so great…..why come here ? People who are unhappy should do exactly what you did, leave. There are also plenty of areas that don’t want mass transit. It’s not just Clayton. Don’t kid yourself.

Bryan, where are you getting your facts from ? In the 90’s it was 3 counties you didn’t want to commit a crime in….Henry, Clayton & Cobb. What changed ? The Olympics came & Atlanta proper started trying to clean itself up. That was the first wave. Then the projects were completely torn down. That was wave 2. Also since you are so in love with Marta…why don’t you leave ? Go to an area that has it. In regards to the nicer areas of Atlanta with Marta, they don’t have the same demographics so don’t have the same problems. That’s like comparing apples & oranges. None of us are any better than any other but truthfully, people choose to live in areas that will give them the type of lifestyle they desire. I did not desire to live in a lower socioeconomic area and deal with the problems poverty brings. I worked my bum off to ensure that I didn’t have to live in such an area. Sorry if for whatever reason, others did not or could not. That doesn’t mean my quality of life should have to be lowered. I also have the ability to pay the extra sales tax but I don’t want to. Why should I have to ? Why do people always feel that those who are in a better situation should make the sacrifices ? I made numerous sacrifices to get where I am. How about others make those same sacrifices while they better themselves.

Lot’s of people keep talking about the people of Clayton did or didn’t do ….. The people of Clayton is being over run by transplants from Atlanta & Dekalb, so don’t blame us for this. By transplants, I mean residents & politicians. The few of us that tried to hang in there & didn’t follow the “White flight” are suffering dearly for that decision. What people don’t understand though is that Clayton is going through it’s own “urban renewal”. Clayton was allowed to be brought to it’s knees so that the powers that be could easily reclaim it. Clayton would be a gold mine if handled correctly. The proximity to Atlanta & the airport make it very valuable. Don’t believe me ? Start paying attention to who is moving back into Clayton.

Shocked

April 1st, 2010
2:46 am

Why!!!!! Reading theses comments is amazing! I can’t believe the comments that these folks made. You scream no more taxes no more buses because your taxes are to high; the schools are no better and the traffic is even worse. So you people put the blame for crime on the people that ride the buses. How about put the blame on yourselves. During this economical hardship you expect these people to give up there right to a better quality of life. Do you think these hard working taxpayers do have the right to a better quality of life, because some rent an apartment or don’t have a car? I guess you’ll have great paying job where you can afford the american dream, or is it you are living like the joneses or is it just a front? Who am I kidding, these folks think that since there are no more buses that these folks will move out and clayton county will go back to the way it was no Crime, Yea Right!!!! One more thing for the folks that need the buses why don’t we stop helping the idots pay for anything let these folk pay the taxes for their schools and there roads and bridges and that way they can blame themselves for the crap that they want.

cracker

April 1st, 2010
8:52 am

concerned citizen of where? im glad you left also.

JustAnOpinion

April 1st, 2010
9:51 am

Here’s a thought to all those who posted, “C-Tran is the cause of…” Well, as stated AJC says Clayton is at the bottom. Why? Because we have soooooooo many opinions on this and other media outlets, but we refuse to voice these great concerns, to the comissioners who make decisions for the greater of us. I don’t know who’s idea is it that “Ghetto,” means baby mommas and the like. In part, people have given such a bad name. Some mothers can’t help that baby daddy’s aren’t in the picture…something to think about before psoting such unfounded facts. The fact is C-Tran is gone, it is not good, because people have to get around. Someone stated that they should purchase a car, with the funds they use for bus fare. I agree and disagree, I agree because the bus should not be anyone’s finally mode of transport, I disagree because if they do not know how to drive, then they add to the growing accidents in this county. Jive Ng teacher, you are very correct, vigils and the like aren’t going to sway a decision about money, policy does. Everyone who supports the bus should be at the capitol, rallying their representatives to take action. On my last point, I am curious, as to why people who says something negative, about this system, has not said anything at the PUBLIC board meetings before the news started to report this mess? Most people likes to ride the band wagon thats my theory.

Straight No Chaser

April 1st, 2010
11:06 am

Recession is a blessing in disguise…… for a new economy to rise something old has to die!!! – Nas

Yes I quoted a rapper but no truer words have been spoken as it relates to Clayton County. Clayton has hit rock bottom and now there is no other way to go but up; however it will be true leadership that will facilitate the turn around. @Sick of it All thank you for giving a true history of Clayton. When I was a student in Dekalb in the 80’s one of the counties we KNEW not to play around in was Clayco!! You made sure all your stuff was in order!!! Right before the Olympics up until 2008 & part of 2009 we went through a very very sad time. Last election cycle we got rid of dead weight…cough, cough…Victor Hill….cough…..Jewell Scott. Now that I have been a resident for 12yrs of Clayton I am seeing signs of a turn around. @Sick of it All you made a great point about the proximity to Atlanta & Airport, but you forgot to mention the biggest and best thing in Clayton………WATER!!!!! In 3 yrs when the rest of Metro Atlanta is under a water crisis again because of the ruling of the federal lawsuit the state is under Clayton will be just fine with its OWN water supply (One of the cleanest in the nation). People have no clue of the all of the lakes, parks, places to fish and natural beauty all over the county.

Clayton is on its way back!!

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 1st, 2010
11:18 am

The protest and vigils were just like most of the buses… empty. The rest of the commissioners were able to stand up to Bell for two main reasons. The facts are clear; We can not continue to spend 8 million dollars for 5 thousand people. The 270 thousand tax paying citizens of this county have made it clear to their commissioners that they do not want C-Tran. The commissioners read this blog too and it is clear what the citizens want.

Idontliveinyocounty

April 1st, 2010
11:34 am

Well, the county must realize that when C-Tran was implemented, they should have known that letting this Vehicle Transit System into the county what it was going to bring to the county, I’m not talking about the people, but, i’m talking about the people. Now it’s a monster that has been created and now they have to kill it..It’s a good thing in one way that C-Tran is leaving, but, it’s a bad thing in another way because people are losing their jobs, as we all say “Sometimes, the good has to suffer with the bad. So, just like the rest of the us, GET A CAR AND GET OVER IT!! Clay-CO has suffered enough especially with the school system…Let’s put that money saved into our schools and get these kids a quality education that they deserve..Clean Up Clay-Co, it looks SUSPECT!!

Idontliveinyocounty

April 1st, 2010
11:34 am

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Donald

April 1st, 2010
11:36 am

To “Shocked” & “Just an Opinion” above…after reading your posts and trying to discern what you actually were saying, this is a perfect example of why C-Tran needs to go…

Donald

April 1st, 2010
12:04 pm

To “Tracy” above….Stop hoping that River’s Edge will be handed over to Fayette County…Bottom line is Fayette & Henry won’t touch anything associated with Clayton with a ten-foot pole. If you are like me and stuck in an upside-down property with no-way to sell, the best thing we can do is work as hard as possible to change our environments. The hard truth is that we are stuck here in CC so unless a meteor falls on top of our houses or we win the lottery. Both aren’t going to happen so that means we have to start getting involved and demanding that our elected officials do their jobs and look out for the best interests of the County (Not Fulton’s or Atlanta’s best interests!!!!).

What is going to happen is that either enough people get fed up and we drag this God-forsaken county up out the sewer and make it a respectable place to live again, or the housing market changes just enough for us to escape purgatory. Either way, it will work itself out eventually…I just pray it doesn’t take 10-15 years to do it. The good news is that unless some incredible piece of bad-luck happens, C-Tran is toast and this by itself will do wonders for our county. The next thing that all concerned CC residents need to do is petition, write, phone or otherwise demand that legistation be enacted to curtail all the section-8 nonsense that permeates our county. You don’t see Fayette County operating like this, yet they are a prosperous and thriving county. If we can get 4 commissioners to see the light on C-Tran, we can get this done as well!

Big Pappi

April 1st, 2010
12:27 pm

What idiot was afraid of a big increase in crime due to the demise of Sleaze-tran. If that’s your excuse to turn to criminality then you were already predisposed to it. HELLO: crime is already through the roof in CC. To all you thugs, I am a law abiding citizen who is ARMED and competent in the use of firearms and stands ready to defend my family, my property, friends, neighbors or any other innocent person you choose to prey on.

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
1:28 pm

@ Sick Of It All April 1st, 2010 12:11 am

Where are your facts from. You say in the 90s you didn’t want to commit a crime? That is an opinion not a fact. Clayton looks no different than it did in the 90s with the exception of a few new neighborhoods. You talk about the olympics and Atlanta tearing down it’s projects but if it wasn’t for the county trying to make money by taking in them and the low property values BEFORE C-Tran and BEFORE people of lower income even came they wouldn’t have moved to that county. You didn’t see people using their section 8 vouchers moving to Buckhead or to Cobb or even Gwinnett did you?

Trust I’ve been gone from Clayton. Nothing there. I’m just a supporter of transit and think the people there are not using their better judgement. I don’t always use MARTA but I do and it’s great knowing that I can when I want. Then you speak of demographics.. yeah they are different.. a lot more educated people with money in the nice areas of Atlanta WITH transit as an option vs Clayton with a few ok areas and only choose to drive creating more pollution and traffic which in turn makes your quality of life worse.. i.e. the AJC survey that show the facts.

I do feel you on working hard and doing for yourself. I can from housing projects too. Look up Queensbridge projects and 40 projects in Queens NY. Now I’m college educated working on my masters and I have a good quality of life. But without transit I wouldn’t have made it thru my undergraduate years. I didn’t have the money. There are a lot of people going to school and working that just can’t afford a car. So many say “just get a car” but what about the payments, the gas, the car insurance, the cost to maintain it, the taxes on the car, the cost to keep it clean. That is a lot. People don’t think about that. What about the people that just can’t drive? The elderly? It’s not just the “thugs” as Clayton likes to say riding.

Someone even mentioned Clayton going thru and “urban renewal.” What urban area does anyone know that doesn’t have transit? Your only claim to glory is having the airport and being close to ATL. Clayton has nothing else to offer. Just so you know all those people that aren’t working anymore or going to school are staying right there in Clayton doing nothing while you working will pay for their apt and rental homes and the checks they will get every month. Stupid Clayton County!

Yeah, right

April 1st, 2010
2:46 pm

Bryan thanks for admitting that you don’t even live in Clayton. We now know your opinion means nothing in the grand scheme & your long winded rants can be ignored.

From one former Queensbridge resident to another (40-04 10th street here) please go enjoy your nirvana and leave us alone.

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
3:15 pm

@ Yeah, right

My opinion actually means a lot. I’ve lived in the county unfortunately. I have family in Clayton that sometimes use the system. Plus I’m in the metro area so when Clayton messes up the entire region feels the blow. That is why ATL isn’t what it use to be. We are so divided instead of working together as a whole. Then you have the entire state that is against the metro area. If you are from QB like you say you’d know the importance of public transit for those of lower income for work, school, and medical issues… or did you grow up on the rich side of the projects?

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
4:06 pm

Double Action

Why are you doing the same thing that you say I’m doing by sticking your nose in my business. If you read my blog above I have a connection to Clayton. I also have an interest in public transit in the area as a whole. Yes I did use “stupid” which is someone that doesn’t comprehend and does foolish things… i.e. the majority of the residents of Clayton. I’m glad to live in ATL rather than in a county with a bunch of small non progressive towns that are fortunate enough to be close to the city of ATL or they would look like the rest of Ga… farms and fields.

Straight No Chaser

April 1st, 2010
4:07 pm

@ Bryan

South Jamaica Queens here. 158th & Linden.

I have lived in Clayton for 12yrs. You obviously don’t know the true history of the County and the deals made behind the scenes that put the county in the position it did. If you knew that then you wouldn’t be saying what you are saying. The deal done with the 4 former commissioners all real estate developers bringing friends as builders, the same commissioners changing county home zoning ordinances so that more homes could be built on a lot of land. How about the deal cut with Atlanta HUD and Clayton HUD to ship upwards of 85% of section 8 and former project residents to Clayton. Should I go on? We won’t get into 2 of the current commissioners having ties back to the City of Atlanta and hiring a convicted corrupt former Atlanta commissioner to create the development plan of the county. B I could go on and on. The reason why your opinion doesn’t matter is because you bounced and didn’t stay to affect change.

Yeah, right

April 1st, 2010
4:15 pm

i.e., rich side of the projects … funny. When I lived in QB had to take the Q101/Q102 or walk to Queens Plaza because the train into QB was still being built.

One of several differences is NYCTA doesn’t only serve, nor was it solely created for, lower income folks and neighborhoods, school kids or those with medical issues. NYCTA services all neighborhoods regardless of income good, bad, rich poor, is a unified system unlike GA. The most glaring and important difference is its not only locally funded, but primarily state AND federally funded. If Clayton taxpayers didn’t have to foot the entire C-Tran alone I’d be 100% for it. I applaud commissioners for making a tough and unpopular decision for some.

If you’re waiting for GA to fall in love with the metro area and pour money into it for MARTA or build mass transit anything like NYCTA, you’ve got a long wait and never should’ve left NYC. And you can’t seriously blame Clayton for messing up the entire region because didn’t either Cobb or Gwinnett residents vote NOT to have MARTA in their area just last year? Why is it OK for them to reject public transit in their neighborhoods, but not Clayton?

Do your family members sit around with you trashing Clayton too, or are they actually doing something, anything, to help improve the county and their neighborhood? Do they attend school board or commission meetings and voice their opinions (or yours, since you have so many on Clayton)? If not, then they’re part of the problem too and we don’t need any more problems.

You don’t live in this county anymore. Good for you, congratulations on escaping the abyss. Instead of wasting your life trashing Clayton, why don’t you use your degree to get your loved ones outta here so they don’t have to suffer the indignity of living here any longer? And since you don’t live here anymore NO your opinion doesn’t matter. Your taxes are going to your neighborhood not ours, you don’t have to deal with the negative comments and attitude about Clayton. We don’t need anymore unconstructive opinions, we need residents who actually live here and care enough to work together to create solutions.

Whoa

April 1st, 2010
4:34 pm

From 1990 thru 2005 – Fayette and Henry did not have commissioners selling out to developers to flood our county with low cost – substandard – high density housing. Clayton did. Section 8 followed closely behind. Flood of people from the project in ATL , we got C-Tran to move the folk. Fayette and Henry standard of living did not bottom out – Clayton’s did. Thanks Griswell and Bray.

stating the facts

April 1st, 2010
4:36 pm

ALLABEN kills his wife in Dekalb Co…some freaking way the AJC head to point out a connection to Clayton County…reporting that he turned himself into CC police station. Just one more erroneous piece of crap placed on the CC page courtesy of the AJC

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
5:40 pm

Yeah, Right

Half the stuff you say in an assumption. I never said that MARTA has to be like NYCTA. You for one knows that there is nothing like NYCTA. It’s a great system. You even made my point for me. Transit is for all.. rich, poor, black, or white. The problem that CC has is that only the lower income ride CC. Buses could have been in the southern section but I’m sure there is no support for it because folks are too good for transit out there. I don’t think it is just CC. I feel there should be one transit provider.. MARTA. Works better that way. You should know that’s why MTA covers all the buses and rail in NYC now.

I feel that Cobb and Gwinnett are just as much to blame BUT atleast they provide their residents with a transit option. I even feel areas in ATL are foolish. Look at the areas that blocked rail to Emory for example. I have no reason to attend any of CC meetings but as a transit advocate for the ENTIRE REGION I CAN HAVE A SAY SO! Don’t you understand you are footing the bill for Xpress? I guess since mainly people who have cars and are better off it’s ok to support that system in your county but not for the poor people huh? I’m very glad I don’t live in that county and my family (for whatever reason) chooses to stay there.

Straight No Chaser

You actually made my point and gave the details about it. It’s still the leaders of the county that transformed your county to what it is, whether it’s developers or the commission. That’s before C-Tran and before all the lower income residents. Your residents have the power to control who and what happens in YOUR community and you didn’t. That’s why your county is the way it is. So tell me why I should stay in a county where the people there don’t even do anything to create positive change and growth? Never that.

Just remember the counties decisions and choice still affect the entire metro area. I’m sure there are people that work in Gwinett or Cobb or other counties that live in Clayton. So everything that happens impacts the entire region somehow.

Jim Bob

April 1st, 2010
6:28 pm

How in the world did the state get into the business of providing bus service for people in the Atlanta area? I have a novel plan. Let those who ride the buses pay for them with their fares.

Donald

April 1st, 2010
8:29 pm

To people like Bryan that don’t live in this county but yet want to ram a service like C-Tran down our throats….drop dead! I guess you are trying to impress us with the premise that you are working towards a Masters…Fact is the Atlanta Metro area has one of the highest Graduate degree rates per capita in the U.S….In other words, no big deal…!I got one, my wife got one, my nieghbors got one, all my co-workers, the waitress at the resturant, pretty much everybody ad nauseum….

Let me break it down for you…you ain’t as smart as you think you are, nor or we as dumb as you perceive! Fact remains that Fayette County, Henry County & others that are way better off, don’t have public trans and there are all the better for it.. Take a trip to Peachtree City and then look at Riverdale and tell me who is one the right track.

Public trans…We don’t wan’t it, we don’t need it so don’t patronize us by telling us what is good for us. How dare you tell us how to spend the County’s tax dollars! I guess you would appreciate your neighbor coming to your house and telling you how to spend your hard-earned money

Clayton was a nice family oriented county with good leadership, community minded-people,resources and ample opportunity before the attack of the Section-eight-o-nites, and the rolling out of Sleaze-Tran. While we probably won’t see those days again, at least we can relish the fact that C-Tran has mercifully (to us) been put away. Next item up for bid is legislation to curtail all this Section 8…

BYE BYE!!

April 1st, 2010
8:32 pm

Is it me or did the streets look a little nicer. Yeah there was a few walkers, but once that southern heat hits they wont be walking no more. A CHANGE IS COMING!

Sick Of It All

April 1st, 2010
9:10 pm

Bryan,

I know you feel very passionate about your cause. Unfortunately, your cause is in complete opposition to most Clayton County residents. The only people that I have personally heard in favor of CTran are those that use it.

I suspected you were from an urban area based on your comments. You appear to be suffering from the same superiority complex that you accuse us of. I am so sick of outsiders pulling the backwards, country crap on GA. If it is so God awful here, I really wish all of the unhappy transplants would go back to their wonderful lands of milk & honey. I wouldn’t want anyone to be here and be unhappy. The strange thing is, alot of the complainers didn’t have a pot to piss in before coming here. Now they appear to have a better quality of life in ATL but all we hear is how dumb & backwards GA is. As another poster stated, if you are waiting for GA to be like NYC then you will be waiting a long time. We don’t want to be. I don’t understand why people simply don’t understand that. NYC is a wonderful place but I wouldn’t want to live there. Not knocking it. Just saying it’s not for me.

Also, if you truly understand Clayton as you say then you are well aware that public transportation was VOTED DOWN by the people. A back door deal was done to sneak it in. They assumed once it was here people would want to keep it. WRONG.

I could have easily fled to Henry or Fayette like my neighbors did. I could have fled to North Fulton like relatives. I chose to stay. I still work in my community to try & help make it better. I volunteer. I donate. I mentor. I will not however continue to allow my quality of life to be stripped away. I’m sorry that some of your family members will be suffering. I am not sorry though for not wanting to pay for the illegal CTran operation. As far as who will help the people……what ever happened to family helping family ? If a family member doesn’t feel any responsibility to help their loved one, why should the tax payer ?

I think if more people were truly honest with themselves, they would admit they know exactly what the Clayton residents are saying. Statistically, the projects of Atlanta had more crime per person than the average metro Atlanta burb. Now that criminal element has been unleashed on Clayton County. That’s not what I moved here for. I didn’t move here to subsidize others. I do enough of that on the federal & state level. I hope that those who want a better way of life can achieve it. That’a why I mentor. That’s why I volunteer. That’s why I pray for them. I don’t, however, feel obligated to help them financially with my tax money.

Sick Of It All

April 1st, 2010
9:26 pm

Straight…you’re so right about the water. People used to “tease” me about Clayton. My comeback was always, “at least we have water!” LOL.

Yeah, right…..I get so tired of the negative comments & jokes I have to hear about Clayton. The strange thing is it’s always from some joker that couldn’t afford to move to my area even if they could qualify for section 8. I can’t tell you the number of times I have to hear someone living on the dole try to put down Clayton. I tell them that I wish more of their kind felt that way then Clayton wouldn’t be the way it is now. Man do they get offended.

We need to find a way to get like minded citizens together. Unfortunately, I’m a science geek so community organizing isn’t my forte. Does anyone have any ideas ? I want to save my community. I don’t want to abandoned it. Sadly, if something doesn’t change, I will have to.

retired teacher

April 1st, 2010
11:27 pm

If you need transportation move to another county.

Michael

April 2nd, 2010
8:42 am

Thank God C-Tran is gone. Now if we can get rid of GRTA and MARTA Clayton County can begin its’ return to greatness.

Anthony Baker

April 2nd, 2010
10:02 am

Seems that if the governor canceled his go-fish campaign we could give that money to Clayton for C-Tran. I am white and grew up in Clayton county in the 70s and those African Americans, most people here are referring to as lay-abouts and lazy, deserve to have a minimum of transportation to get to those low-paying jobs serving brain-washed, mostly white, suburbanites. People with criminal backgrounds deserve to have a chance to redeem themselves and deserve to have some way to get somewhere. People grumble about a one-penny sales tax but say nothing or know nothing about the massive nearly 100% tax subsidies to the interstate highway system nor the tax-incentives and bail-outs demanded and obtained by car manufacturers in Georgia and the U.S. Barely any private money has been spent to maintain and create our bloated and inefficient car-based transportation system. People call public transportation a charity and jobs program, but I would say it pales in comparison to the 2 billion budget of the GDOT, which has absolutely no public oversight and barely any interest in public input, except to ignore it. Take a look at the outer-perimeter. It was successfully defeated by the residents of the north-side suburbs but it keeps coming back. We have a tax-subsidized system that belittles people who do not have the opportunity to partake in it. I would wager that most anti-C-tran advocates here are white and don’t realize they benefit today from decisions made 50 to 100 years ago by a society which needed cheap labor and used racial segregation to maintain divisions in order to maintain status-quo.

Clayton County only blossomed because of white-flight. The city of Atlanta dumped all the folks from the projects into Clayton County instead of dealing with the racial problems and urban decay.

You cannot leave a state or country if you barely have money to survive day-to-day. The “Love it or leave it” responses from some commenters are just denial over a broken system and a cheap way to make people shut-up.

Derek

April 2nd, 2010
11:12 am

People, the issue is dead, the majority of Clayton County , does not want or ride C-tran. It is dead! As one opf the most cash strapped counties, we cannot just keep raising taxes on the achievers for the non-achievers. There was no Bus Service until 2002, and we will do fine without it. You have known for years that the service was on it last legs and have known for more than a year that it was leaving. If you moved into Clayton County just for the bus rides since 2002, guess what? You should have made arrangements or moved to a county with bus service. ENOUGH of raising taxes on people in this county, it will drive away the productice people and businesses, the tax base will drop and you will have run-down areas just like south Fulton and S. Dekalb were / are before they chased everyone south before the olympics. LEAVE

Derek

April 2nd, 2010
11:26 am

For those who moved into Clayton County wanting to change it just for the hell of changing it, look what you got! Failing schools, high crime , run down houses, failing businesses, trash, kids and gangs roaming the streets, graffetti, vandelism, corrupt and ignorant politicians, sheriffs, police chiefs etc elected just because of their color. Maybe you when you move into an area , if everything is running fine, the YOU should adapt to the community. There was no bus service before 2002, no failing schools, low crime, nice businesses, communities, a county with a budget that was met and lower taxes. Think about it, when you go to church you don’t change it, or rewrite the bible LEARN

Ellenwood Resident

April 2nd, 2010
3:23 pm

Sick Of It All – I was always under the impression that we can do our part to help clean up the county one house, street, block, neighborhood at a time and it begins with each of us. I agree with your comments above and here is what I mean by each of us having an impact on what we see everyday, our house and each house in close proximity.

If your neighbor’s shutters are hanging off the house, go over and remind them in a friendly conversation that their shutter has been hanging off for about a week. Wave at your neighbor when you’re coming home from work and say “Your grass was looking like mine before I cut.” When we hold ourselves and our neighbors accountable then everyone benefits. If you have a homeowners association, make them do what they are there to do. Call a neighborhood meeting, we have, and have those that want to take care of their neighborhood, take care of the vacant proper that no one wants to claim. If the vacant proper has grass that is 3 feet tall next to your manicured yard, guess what, your house looks just as bad. If people dump trash around the county, call Refuse Control to come and get it, that is what our county services provide. If your neighbor does not want to cut their grass or have broken down cars in the front yard, call the Code Enforcement office and they will take care of problem through legal matters. If your neighbor works by driving big trucks and wants to part it in the neighborhood just because it is convenient, call Clayton County PD or Code Enforcement because it is illegal to have those trucks in residential neighborhoods. Plus, they are so heavy that it breaks up the roads that is only meant to be used by cars and light trucks.

These are only a few things that I have done personally but we can all play a role. One day we’ll look up and say Clayton County is a nice place to live or work.

And before the doubters respond, I can afford to sell my house and move if I wanted too. I’ve lived in this county since 1993 and I’ve moved into another home within the county 2 years ago. I don’t believe in running to the newest shopping center in Henry County when I can go to the same store off of Mt Zion. I have a lot of friends who moved to other counties farther out and the one major complaint that most of them say is, “I like where I live but I hate the commute.” My response is always, “I like my neighborhood and my commute is not that bad from 675.”

Anthony Baker

April 2nd, 2010
5:10 pm

As for cash-strapped counties. I suppose the Champagne party is over. This society should have put actual humanitarian and social networks in place instead of destroying the African American economy, through state-sponsored white flight, in order to decapitate the civil rights revolution.
Unfortunately it was very successful but it has created a state of localized anarchy in many areas. If this society really wanted to fix its problems. It would cut the defense budget by 90% and start careful spending on schools, health care, public transportation and employment assistance. It is really tiring hearing scared whites (I am white by the way) rant on about taxes etc.. which are just blinds for sub-consious racism which in turn is just government brainwashing to divide the population. I can speak from personal experience. I was of this type who believed that poor African Americans could lift themselves out of the horrible ghettos through hard work and schooling. This is a total false-hood.
A society needs a social network or it will fall into chaos which is exactly what is happening in the U.S. right now.

BYE BYE!!

April 2nd, 2010
7:00 pm

I definetly feel for the elderly who cant get around without the buses. But I am glad its gone and maybe they will find a way to help the sick and elderly.

Please!

April 2nd, 2010
10:35 pm

Anthony Baker has this whole house laughing! Liberals are so funny!

ASimpleTruth

April 2nd, 2010
10:41 pm

Anthony, please STOP pandering. Take your liberal white guilt elsewhere. I bet you do not live in Riverdale, so you don’t understand. Guess what? It is a majority of hard-working LAW ABIDING African-Americans like MYSELF who DO NOT WANT the ‘element’ from Atlanta here in Clayton any longer.

We have tried. We welcomed them, provided buses, but they, like Bill Cosby has said, have not held up their part of the bargain (social contract). Like CTRAN, they have outlasted their welcome and we want them gone! I REPEAT, WE (hard-working blue collar and educated white collar African- Americans) are tired of ‘these people’ and their myriad of social problems that plague our decent community’s and drag us down in the eyes of other Americans. We work too hard! As a character said in the movie Crash: You embarrass me. You embarrsss YOURSELF!

Good Riddance CTRAN and now there’s more hope for the future as we take our communities back!

Anthony Baker

April 3rd, 2010
9:06 am

What is very hypocritical in a large portion of the anti-C-tran responses is how do non-users transport themselves around the metro area. Who is paying for the massive highway system, dismantling environmental laws and guaranteeing access to petroleum products by having massive a military presence in oil-exporting countries? This would be the U.S. government. The car-based transportation system, is 100% subsidized by the U.S. government with minimal toll roads (which are often just handed over to private companies without any scandal). The car industries are subsidized by the government through tax-breaks and out-and-out monetary support. Chrysler was already bailed out in the 70s. If the market was really in charge of the transportation system, our highway system would be in ruins and we would all most likely be riding bicycles or buses. If you get a tax break on your house or your car, are able to deduct certain expenses like childcare, you are receiving a hand-out from the government. As a suburbanite, I received the 8000 dollar tax-credit for a new house purchase. People on welfare living in a horrible ghetto do not get a tax-credit and welfare barely covers day-to-day living. So how can one ask those on welfare to work harder if they cannot pay for gas or buy car insurance (mandated as obligatory by the state, another government hand-out) and then pay for repairs to the junker they have to get to get anywhere. The mentally that these folks are non-persons or not working hard-enough is obscene.

I come from the most redneck of all backgrounds: My grandfather, and my great-grandfather were in the KKK and I was raised with this racial brainwashing. I was thankfully able to leave the country and come-back and have the racial brain-washing wiped away to see the society for what it is.

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 3rd, 2010
11:40 am

Anthony Baker,
I am an American of African descent who also grew up in Clayton County and still live here. The lay-abouts and lazy people referred to in these blogs are just that. Most are the product of the “social safety networks” you so glowingly refer to. Did you not know that section 8, welfare, and food stamps are all social safety networks.
I live in a mostly black neighborhood and all of my neighbors agree that C-Tran has only brought with it problems. It is thinking like yours that has not only financially strapped this county but also this nation. You can not help everyone. If you wish to help the “former criminals with free transportation then you go right ahead and I will continue to help those I feel need help. The problem with your sense of charity is that it usually requires taking from others to give to those who probably do not deserve charity. Always wanting to take from others while keeping your money to yourself.
Even though it has been said countless times by others in this blog I feel I must say it again for those who can not connect the dots. We all pay for the highway system because we all benefit from it. The food on your table traveled on highways whether you drove to get it or not. The materials used to build the shelter under which you live were transported over the highways and the clothes you wear were delivered to the store over those same highways. Not everyone benefits from public transportation.
We need to rid this country of its social networks for they only seek to enslave the very people they claim to help. They are the ideas and creations of people who believed that they had all the answers and that they should rule or get rid of the less desired people of this country. Welfare and other social networks have destroyed the family structure of many people black and white and have ruined the spirit of what many believed to be the founding values of this country.
Like so many who think as you do like to say, “The debate is over.” C-Tran must go.

Mike

April 3rd, 2010
10:29 pm

If someone is making $25,000 or less, then why are they having children that they can’t afford? Why would the productive (tax paying) citizens of Clayton want to subsidize those who have made life choices to not get an education, job skills, etc. to support themselves. We live in a free country, if you want to be a looser then you should reap the benefits of it and not expect the government to use their police power to take money from others to provide you a looser cruiser (bus) to ride around in for cheap.

Way Back Machine

April 4th, 2010
12:38 pm

(((Because they can. We live a society and Government that watches out for the welfare of children. These innocent children are born into poverty, at no fault of their own.)))

My, my, my, haven’t we changed!

BUCKMASTER

April 4th, 2010
7:54 pm

First Came Victor Hill, what a clown, we put up wth him until he high tailed out of town, after making a mockry of the whole county. Then the schools lost their certification, due to a bunch of morons, And now no C-TRAN. To me this is the final straw. I lost two long term tenants last week due to the bus being gone. Well now hopefully my property values will go back up and I can raise the rent, since most of the section 8ers will be sent packing, and heck the grass may even start to grow back in my front yard at the bus stop, and i wont have to pick up everyones trash daily. So C-YA C-TRAN. HOLLA….

Your Brother

April 5th, 2010
6:47 am

A house divided will not stand!!

cracker

April 5th, 2010
8:51 am

anthony….i hear that country you escaped to calling. please go back.

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
9:58 am

Jimmy: That type of talk is not what I hear from African Americans I know, this sounds like brain-washing and I would wager you are not African American. As far as the country I escaped from: I am back. The like or leave mentality is simply avoidance of issues and quieting of critics who wish to find a better more equitable way.

Not everyone benefits from the highway system only those who can afford to pay for an automobile. Those 43,000 a year fatalities nor the millions more injured in auto-accidents have not benefited. The people taking buses still pay for the highway system through federal taxes so who is subsidizing who.

Not everyone who takes a bus is on welfare nor a criminal. That is really a disservice to hard-working people trying to get by without maxing out their credit cards. There are also many more criminals and so called so-called non-achievers driving cars.

As far as children born into poverty, why not have free, better sex education and free contraceptives. Also, why not make abortions easier. If the so-called fiscal conservatives want to get rid of the poor why don’t we work from the source, sarcasm starts here: let’s stop the criminals and lay-abouts before they are even born . It is fine to be pro-life but give people a livable life after birth as well or you will continue the cycle that you all are complaining about.

We can easily pay for healthcare, education and other social services. Just cut the military budget by 90% (We probably need to other 10% to clean up and dismantle nuclear reactors and the missles themselves. No one here is concerned about out-of-control military contracts to private companies nor public institutions being dismantled and handed over to private companies. Toll Roads, charter schools, utility infrastruture, the Georgia technology authority. It goes on and on.

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
12:58 pm

Mike wrote: “not expect the government to use their police power to take money from others”. This is an interesting comment. Would you have said the same thing when the Georgia State government was using the police to evict African Americans from their homes for the Stadium and highways in the 50s and 60s. What about poll taxes?

Hi Jimmy: The food on my table and the clothes on my back are transported on highways and boats. Usually picked by in this country by exploited Mexican illegals or manufactured by Chinese at 50 cents an hour who are forced to live in the factories instead of these products being made and grown locally. Why should I be thankful for highways for destroying local economies? Highways are expensive and inefficient and the over-dependence will be devastating once we cannot maintain the existing infrastructure. The bridge collapse in Wisconsin is an excellent example. What if part spaghetti junction collapsed. Traffic would be a total nightmare. How about 5 to 6 bridge collapses across the country. How would government coffers be able to withstand these types of events?

Highways are government constructed and maintained creations. Highway subsidies are welfare for suburbanites who are enabled to live faraway from a central core by government intervention and support. Sub and Exurbanites are not paying the real price for the destructive lifestyle and the government is enabling the same destructive lifestyle. How would you get to work if your car broke down and you live 30 miles from work. You cannot walk or take a bus so what do you do? Do you deal drugs or become a prostitute to make ends-meet at a minimal amount of work? Do you work at the local Walmart for minimum wage which is not even livable? The society creates criminals and then preys upon them to feed the incarceration and related industries as well as provided essentially prison slave labor for pennies an hour.

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 5th, 2010
1:08 pm

Anthony,
I do not use the term African American to define myself for it is a divisive word used to segregate people in this country. I am a person who descended from slaves who were brought from Africa, I am proof that not all people of that “group” think alike.
I do not want to seem to attack you personally but either you are blind or refuse to see the world around you for what it is. Can you explain to me how the majority of people get the essentials for their everyday life. Do you have a delivery system that magically transports goods and services from the producer to people that we don’t know about. In the world that I live in food, clothing, building materials and most all other essentials are transported in big trucks. Those big trucks use the highways to transport those goods and services. So until you can explain to me where you get your food and other essentials of life I think that question is closed.
Vehicle crashes on the highways are usually unfortunate occurrences for the party not at fault but so are any other type of preventable occurrence like slipping and falling in a store, falling off of a ladder at home or slamming your finger in a door. So I guess we should get rid of those activities as well.
If you are ridding the bus then you are accepting a form of welfare. Money has been taken from a larger group to benefit a smaller group. The very mindset displayed by the protesters reveals a lot. One actually said, “Public transportation is a right.” Rights are God given and I don’t believe God intended to pay for anyone’s transportation.
As for the children born into poverty in this country you would probably be interested to know that the majority of those children born into poverty also had parents who were born into poverty. Poverty that has not decreased but increased while all the social programs or safety networks have been put in place to fight the war on poverty. These programs are intended to keep people poor and dependent. I will paraphrase Benjamin Franklin; The best way to help a person in poverty is to make him uncomfortable in it. My mother refused to accept welfare, food stamps, wic or any other government program while her sister did not. My mother is a very independent senior now who raised three independent sons. My aunt is still living in section 8 housing. She lived in Bankhead Courts until they were torn down. My aunt raised 4 children on welfare. Two boys and two girls. One boy is dead while the other lives on welfare. One girl married out of the hood the other still exist in it. The one that is still part of the system now has 4 grandchildren at the age of 35. One of her daughters recently appeared on Maury. I guess that would qualify me to be black.
I do not believe in welfare of any kind. I believe that we are all born into this world with opportunities and that we should make the best of those opportunities. If we make good choices they usually result in good outcomes.
Anthony, you my friend are the one who has been brain washed for no matter what the real world looks like you only see the liberal, or progressive side of things. You believe the picture of what an “African American” is because of what you have been told…. right down to how he should speak or what he should think or believe. Amazing how a person who descended from kkk members can tell me if I am African American.
Oh! If you have not read your history on abortions: It was intended for exactly what you mentioned above. To get rid of the undesirable people. It was the brain child of people who called themselves progressives like Margerette Sanger and Woodrow Wilson. Sanger went as far as helping to establish abortion centers in only “African American” communities to achieve that goal. You see all of the ideas you speak of are progressive ideas. They all say that they have great positive social meaning when in actuality they only mean to control.

Donald

April 5th, 2010
3:12 pm

Here we go: Anthony Baker talking about how black people should or should not sound on a blog…Anthony, your talk is silly and near delusional in nature…Cut 90% of the Military budget…? Are you crazy? Not all blacks agree with that line of thinking , because I don’t and I am black. I find it very disrespectful that that you think all 42 million African Americans think exactly the same as you do, like we are mindless and uneducated zombies easily influenced by media or a social leader. Bottom line is you think that if blacks don’t agree with your line of thinking , they are brainwashed?!? Brother-man, please…you are on an ego trip on the real tip. Since you are sceptical, and you think all blacks only think a certain way, would you care that I prove it to you????

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
4:30 pm

Well you gentlemen certainly have me there. I concede defeat on the issue of how all African Americans think. I only have experience with the folks I know personally on a day to day basis, so I suppose I could be called brain-washed in that respect. Never meant to infer that African Americans as a group are mindless or brain-washed. I just thought since African Americans fought such a bloody revolution for civil rights up until today that the majority of African Americans would be of the mindset that everyone in the community deserves a hand-up no matter what mistakes they have made in the past. If you all see this type of thinking as wrong, I feel this is rather sad.

My experience with the anti-public transit, anti-social services supporters has been they are all white middle class.

I have not read on the history of abortion in this society as a form of racial control but it would not surprise me at all. I was using abortion in terms that a pro-life society should be pro-life after children are brought into the world and give them a chance to have a decent life. I think it was obvious that children born into poverty were born to poor parents and those parents from possibly poor grand-parents.

Jimmy: In regards to the comment “If you are ridding the bus then you are accepting a form of welfare. Money has been taken from a larger group to benefit a smaller group.”

I would say if you are taking a tax credit on your house or car, you are taking welfare.

I do not deny that people do take advantage of the social systems, but it is there to keep the society from sliding into anarchy. Since these systems have been enacted there has been a slow chipping away at them to shovel more federal fund to private companies. We read about bail-outs to private companies everyday.

Donald: If we are closing schools and bleeding jobs and talking about how social security and medicare will bankrupt the country, how can we justify spending trillions per year on military spending. You have to cut somewhere and the military needs cutting.

Donald

April 5th, 2010
7:53 pm

Mr. Baker;

It appears you are on the far left of the political spectrum and you expect (Demand?) all African-Americans be of the same mindset. well we are not…we are just like every other ethnic group, whites, Hispanic, asian, etc. ..we are all over the political and social belief spectrum…I happen to be a registered Independent..I generally vote Democrat but will occasionally support a Repubican if he/she supports my values. I cannot stand it that people assume because I am black that I will think or act a certain way. You wouldn’t like it, and neither do I.

I am also tired of outside people telling us what is best for Clayton County. C-Tran had to go. If you had to live where I do, you would understand. 9 years ago, I bought a nice house in a formerly nice suburb. My neighbors moved away after accreditation loss and three transplanted section 8 families/groups moved into the houses on either side and across the street. I tried to be neighborly, but these folks do not care..Loud noice & fighting all hours of the night. Different cars pulling up boomin’ 24/7. Grass uncut & trash on the yards, strange thuggish looking people hanging around all the time, police always at one of their houses, and I could go on and on. My wife is now afraid to go out the house alone, and the few decent neighbors I have are talking about moving…..I am supposed to accept this???? Is this normal living??? Would you be sing that same socialist bent if you lived her…I don’yt think so. You would be talking about C-TRAN had to go too, and also putting curbs on Section 8.

As for Military Spending, our whole Government is bloated…There should be a lot of cutbacks across the board, Military and otherwise. Too much government stifles growth. One only has to look through history for a bunch of examples.

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
9:45 pm

Hi Donald,
I agree with you on the point of how African Americans think. I equated African Americans with the far-left civil rights and humanitarian movements from the early to mid 20th century, even before. Africans Americans are responsible for a large part of the far-left artistic, political and cultural movements of North America. The arts and culture are usually associated with the left so that was a faux pas on my part. I concede and agree that African Americans can be on the right, Michael Steele is an excellent example. I apologize for the blanket association. It was not intended to be racial.

I understand your frustration and it makes perfect sense to me. I just think eliminating C-Tran will further isolate the bad elements you have issues with keeping them where they are. I just find it difficult to believe C-Tran was solely responsible for bringing these bad elements to your neighborhood. Atlanta demolished many of the blighted housing projects and instead of addressing the issues of poor education, physical isolation and lack of access to jobs nor historical poverty. Atlanta just shoveled the people they did not want the tourists to see anymore into the neighboring counties. If anyone is to blame I would think it would be Atlanta and the State of Georgia for letting such problems fester and worsen over decades.

I certainly respect and understand your feelings on C-Tran. I might want the same if I was in your situation.

I cannot say I have had the same experience as you. I can certainly understand that frustration and your point in wanting C-Tran gone especially considering the circumstances.

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 5th, 2010
9:51 pm

Anthony,
You apparently mean well however misguided you are. Committing crimes are not mistakes. To be convicted of most you need to show intent. Once you have committed that crime you need to do just as those people who fought for civil rights did. When they got knocked down they pulled themselves back up. Coddling and bending over backward to make a criminals life better does nothing to help that criminal.
Being allowed to keep the money you earned is never welfare. It is your right. God gives you time on this Earth and if you use that time working and creating something of value then you usually earn an income. With that income you can choose to purchase a house and property. No one has a right to take that property away from you. When the government essentially says, “you can keep your own money” they are simply doing what is right. On the other hand, if you do not earn that money and the government gives it to you then that is welfare and that happens everyday with things like the earned income tax credit.
A person who already receives welfare, food stamps, and section 8 can work for a few weeks out of the year, file an income tax return and not only get back what taken out of their check but an additional “earned income.” While the person who receives no government assistance has to pay even more.
Private businesses should not get money from the government either on that we can agree. However even the amount of money received by the bailout pales in comparison to what we have spent on social programs and the “war on poverty.” The war is lost and to continue to believe that it can be won by taking money from others to give it to the poor is a pipe dream at best or an evil twisted bit of social engineering at worst.
Once people accept the social engineering they typically get hooked on it and their children are raised on it. The children get hooked on it and they stay on it which creates the cycle. The cycle of poverty created by these social programs is despicable. It is the rare occasion that someone breaks that cycle.
Anthony I truly believe that you don’t have the life experience to speak on the issues you have decided to take on. I believe the only experience you have with African Americans comes from seeing Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton on T.V. and then hearing the anchor person say they are leaders of the African Americans. You apparently only know what you see and hear progressive politicians pushing.
The Constitution requires the government provide for the public defense not provide for the taking of the public’s money. True enough there is waist in military spending but I would much rather see it spent defending me than to support someone who refuses to support themselves.

Anthony Baker

April 6th, 2010
9:59 am

Good points Jimmy, I do agree that some people take advantage of social programs. I have seen exactly the same happen in Canada and I can understand the feeling that those people on welfare need to get off their bums and go to work. The same thing happens in Canada except those benefiting from the welfare programs are Caucasian. But that is not a reason to dismantle the system how about better oversite. I think here and there it is easier for the government to throw money at these people than actually addressing the economic and social roots of those problems.

I do have everyday interactions with African Americans. The women who work and manage my children’s daycare are African American. Those women want to work and do work very hard. They go to Grady and take Marta because they cannot afford healthcare or the cost of gas. They are not on welfare but are having difficulties getting by and are glad to have work in this recession. A young lady who works with me is African American (she is much better off). I walk through five-points station everyday and see people trying to get by and some just looking for trouble.
Now, I think you are pigeon-holing me into a suburban white stereo type. I do have the life experience to comment on social spending I have lived in Canada and the U.S. and traveled quite extensively. The social system’s have been getting steadily cut since Reagan. The prison industry has grown because of lobbyist pushing for mandatory minimum sentences and harsh drug laws for non-violent and very minor offenses. If you are a felon, try getting a job or voting (you can’t vote in many states). Many states do not protect felon’s right to work or be discriminated against in a job interview or even get an apartment. This type of treatment pushes felon’s back into criminality because they have nothing else to go or cannot live anywhere, so they get pushed to section 8 with many others in the same situation. So put all of the disenfranchised and frustrated together in one place and you get a horrible ghetto. The system has created the ghetto and prison industries have used those ghettos as cash-cows to get money from the state for private prisons.

The government takes our money to pay for unearned bail-outs and a never-ending war on terror and drugs instead of education and healthcare. Everyone in this country has been hood-winked by the government in colusion with private industry to think that social spendingThe auto in is a bad idea while private industry is the way to go and more efficient. The auto-industry is a well-known example of that false-hood. If they had worked by free-market principles we would not have an auto-industry.

sjduke23

April 17th, 2010
5:12 pm

I have been a resident of Clayton Co. for the past 13 years. I was for the bus system at first because i came from NY where the system and the stops were respected.I was taken aback when I saw the 1st shed put up and within 2 days trash was everywhere. Transit riders just continued to throw trash on the ground and at the sheds. I have to drive down riverdale road to get home from my job and as the years went on I became more embarassed and depressed about my community. Crime went up the homes in my neighborhood were being section-8 out and I was considering moving, but why. I moved and bought my home because of location and Clayton Co. was nice, progressive, and affordable. I don’t feel that I should have to move because some residents of Clayton Co bring down the property value and don’t care about the county their section-8 vouchers allowed them to move into. I am so happy the bus has stopped running in Clayton County. I can already feel the difference in my neighborhood. The next great move would be for the drug infested apartments on Riverdale road to be demolished.

bran

May 8th, 2010
5:25 pm

You need to get the facts people before you start to judge. There was a survey done where a new transit system was placed and crime only rose very little to none after the transit system was in. Second People forget to consider the following: How many people use the bus to get to work and how many people use the bus to go to College. How much taxes are being generated by the rider-ship spending. So if you have a person spend 5 dollars a trip 5 times a week that would be 91 dollars in tax times 2.1 million riders that would be 191,100,000 dollars in taxes

Plus people who ride the bus pay for roads they don’t even use.

Brant Moseley

June 14th, 2010
2:12 pm

blogs.ajc.com’s done it again! Superb writing.

DC Henry

July 27th, 2010
12:39 pm

I am a college student at Clayton State that was forced to withdraw from classes when I was no longer able to get to classes because of C-Tran. More than 15% of the students at Clayton State were affected by the system being removed. It did not hurt “ghetto” people — it hurt those people trying to move forward academically that can help to restore the economy when they are educated and in the workforce. It was my hope upon graduation to be a educator in Clayton County Schools and help turn around a district that is clearly struggling. Instead, I am working a part time job that barely pays above minimum wage, stuggling to buy a car, so that hopefully I can attend college in the fall and finish my degree.