More options for C-Tran Riders

Although C-Tran service will end Wednesday, March 31,  as scheduled, thanks to the passage of House Bill 1393 riders have hope that it will eventually be restored. However, Clayton county voters now get to decide whether or not to approve an extra penny sales tax in order to fund C-Tran service in the future. Commissioner Sonna Singleton commented on 11 Alive News that 5,000 C-Tran riders will be affected, although 270,000 Clayton residents help pay for the service.

Despite the FTA’s refusal to fund new Xpress routes aimed at C-Tran riders, there are still commuter options available as several areas of Atlanta such as downtown, midtown and Buckhead have transporation management associations eager to help riders find clean commuting options to work and school.

I have read on this blog and elsewhere that some rode C-Tran in order to save gas and avoid vehicle wear and tear. For those who have access to a car and can partner with other riders, carpooling is an option. Sign up with RideSmart to connect with commuters that work and live near you, and share similar work hours.

Another choice is vanpooling, which currently operates a route departing from the JC Penney outlet in Forest Park. According to the Web site they are open to starting new routes and typically, 7-15 riders are needed to create one.

“The cost to ride the van varies, and the route and final destination are decisions made by the group of commuters who will ride and drive the van. The commuters end up operating the van in a way that is mutually agreed upon among the riders, within certain rules set by the van provider,” says Sara Milton, Project Manager of Central Atlanta Progress, Inc.

Which commuter option would you consider in lieu of C-Tran?

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There are three existing Xpress routes available for those who can get to a park and ride lot. The closest for most C-Tran riders would probably be the #442 (Riverdale to Downtown Atlanta), but the #440 (Hampton-Jonesboro to Downtown Atlanta) and #441 (Jonesboro to Midtown Atlanta) are also possibilities. Xpress expects crowding on these routes once C-Tran ends, and will try to accommodate passengers with any spare coaches they may have available.

All of these options qualify for the Clean Air Campaign’s Commuter Rewards Program, where riders who log in daily are randomly selected each month to win $25 gift cards for using clean commuting options regularly. According to Milton, Carpool Rewards winners are not randomly chosen - as long as both carpool partners log in their rides daily online, they will get a $40 or $60 gift card for 3 or more person carpools.

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Michael

April 2nd, 2010
8:42 am

Thank God C-Tran is gone. Now if we can get rid of GRTA and MARTA Clayton County can begin its’ return to greatness.

Anthony Baker

April 2nd, 2010
10:02 am

Seems that if the governor canceled his go-fish campaign we could give that money to Clayton for C-Tran. I am white and grew up in Clayton county in the 70s and those African Americans, most people here are referring to as lay-abouts and lazy, deserve to have a minimum of transportation to get to those low-paying jobs serving brain-washed, mostly white, suburbanites. People with criminal backgrounds deserve to have a chance to redeem themselves and deserve to have some way to get somewhere. People grumble about a one-penny sales tax but say nothing or know nothing about the massive nearly 100% tax subsidies to the interstate highway system nor the tax-incentives and bail-outs demanded and obtained by car manufacturers in Georgia and the U.S. Barely any private money has been spent to maintain and create our bloated and inefficient car-based transportation system. People call public transportation a charity and jobs program, but I would say it pales in comparison to the 2 billion budget of the GDOT, which has absolutely no public oversight and barely any interest in public input, except to ignore it. Take a look at the outer-perimeter. It was successfully defeated by the residents of the north-side suburbs but it keeps coming back. We have a tax-subsidized system that belittles people who do not have the opportunity to partake in it. I would wager that most anti-C-tran advocates here are white and don’t realize they benefit today from decisions made 50 to 100 years ago by a society which needed cheap labor and used racial segregation to maintain divisions in order to maintain status-quo.

Clayton County only blossomed because of white-flight. The city of Atlanta dumped all the folks from the projects into Clayton County instead of dealing with the racial problems and urban decay.

You cannot leave a state or country if you barely have money to survive day-to-day. The “Love it or leave it” responses from some commenters are just denial over a broken system and a cheap way to make people shut-up.

Derek

April 2nd, 2010
11:12 am

People, the issue is dead, the majority of Clayton County , does not want or ride C-tran. It is dead! As one opf the most cash strapped counties, we cannot just keep raising taxes on the achievers for the non-achievers. There was no Bus Service until 2002, and we will do fine without it. You have known for years that the service was on it last legs and have known for more than a year that it was leaving. If you moved into Clayton County just for the bus rides since 2002, guess what? You should have made arrangements or moved to a county with bus service. ENOUGH of raising taxes on people in this county, it will drive away the productice people and businesses, the tax base will drop and you will have run-down areas just like south Fulton and S. Dekalb were / are before they chased everyone south before the olympics. LEAVE

Derek

April 2nd, 2010
11:26 am

For those who moved into Clayton County wanting to change it just for the hell of changing it, look what you got! Failing schools, high crime , run down houses, failing businesses, trash, kids and gangs roaming the streets, graffetti, vandelism, corrupt and ignorant politicians, sheriffs, police chiefs etc elected just because of their color. Maybe you when you move into an area , if everything is running fine, the YOU should adapt to the community. There was no bus service before 2002, no failing schools, low crime, nice businesses, communities, a county with a budget that was met and lower taxes. Think about it, when you go to church you don’t change it, or rewrite the bible LEARN

Ellenwood Resident

April 2nd, 2010
3:23 pm

Sick Of It All – I was always under the impression that we can do our part to help clean up the county one house, street, block, neighborhood at a time and it begins with each of us. I agree with your comments above and here is what I mean by each of us having an impact on what we see everyday, our house and each house in close proximity.

If your neighbor’s shutters are hanging off the house, go over and remind them in a friendly conversation that their shutter has been hanging off for about a week. Wave at your neighbor when you’re coming home from work and say “Your grass was looking like mine before I cut.” When we hold ourselves and our neighbors accountable then everyone benefits. If you have a homeowners association, make them do what they are there to do. Call a neighborhood meeting, we have, and have those that want to take care of their neighborhood, take care of the vacant proper that no one wants to claim. If the vacant proper has grass that is 3 feet tall next to your manicured yard, guess what, your house looks just as bad. If people dump trash around the county, call Refuse Control to come and get it, that is what our county services provide. If your neighbor does not want to cut their grass or have broken down cars in the front yard, call the Code Enforcement office and they will take care of problem through legal matters. If your neighbor works by driving big trucks and wants to part it in the neighborhood just because it is convenient, call Clayton County PD or Code Enforcement because it is illegal to have those trucks in residential neighborhoods. Plus, they are so heavy that it breaks up the roads that is only meant to be used by cars and light trucks.

These are only a few things that I have done personally but we can all play a role. One day we’ll look up and say Clayton County is a nice place to live or work.

And before the doubters respond, I can afford to sell my house and move if I wanted too. I’ve lived in this county since 1993 and I’ve moved into another home within the county 2 years ago. I don’t believe in running to the newest shopping center in Henry County when I can go to the same store off of Mt Zion. I have a lot of friends who moved to other counties farther out and the one major complaint that most of them say is, “I like where I live but I hate the commute.” My response is always, “I like my neighborhood and my commute is not that bad from 675.”

Anthony Baker

April 2nd, 2010
5:10 pm

As for cash-strapped counties. I suppose the Champagne party is over. This society should have put actual humanitarian and social networks in place instead of destroying the African American economy, through state-sponsored white flight, in order to decapitate the civil rights revolution.
Unfortunately it was very successful but it has created a state of localized anarchy in many areas. If this society really wanted to fix its problems. It would cut the defense budget by 90% and start careful spending on schools, health care, public transportation and employment assistance. It is really tiring hearing scared whites (I am white by the way) rant on about taxes etc.. which are just blinds for sub-consious racism which in turn is just government brainwashing to divide the population. I can speak from personal experience. I was of this type who believed that poor African Americans could lift themselves out of the horrible ghettos through hard work and schooling. This is a total false-hood.
A society needs a social network or it will fall into chaos which is exactly what is happening in the U.S. right now.

BYE BYE!!

April 2nd, 2010
7:00 pm

I definetly feel for the elderly who cant get around without the buses. But I am glad its gone and maybe they will find a way to help the sick and elderly.

Please!

April 2nd, 2010
10:35 pm

Anthony Baker has this whole house laughing! Liberals are so funny!

ASimpleTruth

April 2nd, 2010
10:41 pm

Anthony, please STOP pandering. Take your liberal white guilt elsewhere. I bet you do not live in Riverdale, so you don’t understand. Guess what? It is a majority of hard-working LAW ABIDING African-Americans like MYSELF who DO NOT WANT the ‘element’ from Atlanta here in Clayton any longer.

We have tried. We welcomed them, provided buses, but they, like Bill Cosby has said, have not held up their part of the bargain (social contract). Like CTRAN, they have outlasted their welcome and we want them gone! I REPEAT, WE (hard-working blue collar and educated white collar African- Americans) are tired of ‘these people’ and their myriad of social problems that plague our decent community’s and drag us down in the eyes of other Americans. We work too hard! As a character said in the movie Crash: You embarrass me. You embarrsss YOURSELF!

Good Riddance CTRAN and now there’s more hope for the future as we take our communities back!

Anthony Baker

April 3rd, 2010
9:06 am

What is very hypocritical in a large portion of the anti-C-tran responses is how do non-users transport themselves around the metro area. Who is paying for the massive highway system, dismantling environmental laws and guaranteeing access to petroleum products by having massive a military presence in oil-exporting countries? This would be the U.S. government. The car-based transportation system, is 100% subsidized by the U.S. government with minimal toll roads (which are often just handed over to private companies without any scandal). The car industries are subsidized by the government through tax-breaks and out-and-out monetary support. Chrysler was already bailed out in the 70s. If the market was really in charge of the transportation system, our highway system would be in ruins and we would all most likely be riding bicycles or buses. If you get a tax break on your house or your car, are able to deduct certain expenses like childcare, you are receiving a hand-out from the government. As a suburbanite, I received the 8000 dollar tax-credit for a new house purchase. People on welfare living in a horrible ghetto do not get a tax-credit and welfare barely covers day-to-day living. So how can one ask those on welfare to work harder if they cannot pay for gas or buy car insurance (mandated as obligatory by the state, another government hand-out) and then pay for repairs to the junker they have to get to get anywhere. The mentally that these folks are non-persons or not working hard-enough is obscene.

I come from the most redneck of all backgrounds: My grandfather, and my great-grandfather were in the KKK and I was raised with this racial brainwashing. I was thankfully able to leave the country and come-back and have the racial brain-washing wiped away to see the society for what it is.

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 3rd, 2010
11:40 am

Anthony Baker,
I am an American of African descent who also grew up in Clayton County and still live here. The lay-abouts and lazy people referred to in these blogs are just that. Most are the product of the “social safety networks” you so glowingly refer to. Did you not know that section 8, welfare, and food stamps are all social safety networks.
I live in a mostly black neighborhood and all of my neighbors agree that C-Tran has only brought with it problems. It is thinking like yours that has not only financially strapped this county but also this nation. You can not help everyone. If you wish to help the “former criminals with free transportation then you go right ahead and I will continue to help those I feel need help. The problem with your sense of charity is that it usually requires taking from others to give to those who probably do not deserve charity. Always wanting to take from others while keeping your money to yourself.
Even though it has been said countless times by others in this blog I feel I must say it again for those who can not connect the dots. We all pay for the highway system because we all benefit from it. The food on your table traveled on highways whether you drove to get it or not. The materials used to build the shelter under which you live were transported over the highways and the clothes you wear were delivered to the store over those same highways. Not everyone benefits from public transportation.
We need to rid this country of its social networks for they only seek to enslave the very people they claim to help. They are the ideas and creations of people who believed that they had all the answers and that they should rule or get rid of the less desired people of this country. Welfare and other social networks have destroyed the family structure of many people black and white and have ruined the spirit of what many believed to be the founding values of this country.
Like so many who think as you do like to say, “The debate is over.” C-Tran must go.

Mike

April 3rd, 2010
10:29 pm

If someone is making $25,000 or less, then why are they having children that they can’t afford? Why would the productive (tax paying) citizens of Clayton want to subsidize those who have made life choices to not get an education, job skills, etc. to support themselves. We live in a free country, if you want to be a looser then you should reap the benefits of it and not expect the government to use their police power to take money from others to provide you a looser cruiser (bus) to ride around in for cheap.

Way Back Machine

April 4th, 2010
12:38 pm

(((Because they can. We live a society and Government that watches out for the welfare of children. These innocent children are born into poverty, at no fault of their own.)))

My, my, my, haven’t we changed!

BUCKMASTER

April 4th, 2010
7:54 pm

First Came Victor Hill, what a clown, we put up wth him until he high tailed out of town, after making a mockry of the whole county. Then the schools lost their certification, due to a bunch of morons, And now no C-TRAN. To me this is the final straw. I lost two long term tenants last week due to the bus being gone. Well now hopefully my property values will go back up and I can raise the rent, since most of the section 8ers will be sent packing, and heck the grass may even start to grow back in my front yard at the bus stop, and i wont have to pick up everyones trash daily. So C-YA C-TRAN. HOLLA….

Your Brother

April 5th, 2010
6:47 am

A house divided will not stand!!

cracker

April 5th, 2010
8:51 am

anthony….i hear that country you escaped to calling. please go back.

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
9:58 am

Jimmy: That type of talk is not what I hear from African Americans I know, this sounds like brain-washing and I would wager you are not African American. As far as the country I escaped from: I am back. The like or leave mentality is simply avoidance of issues and quieting of critics who wish to find a better more equitable way.

Not everyone benefits from the highway system only those who can afford to pay for an automobile. Those 43,000 a year fatalities nor the millions more injured in auto-accidents have not benefited. The people taking buses still pay for the highway system through federal taxes so who is subsidizing who.

Not everyone who takes a bus is on welfare nor a criminal. That is really a disservice to hard-working people trying to get by without maxing out their credit cards. There are also many more criminals and so called so-called non-achievers driving cars.

As far as children born into poverty, why not have free, better sex education and free contraceptives. Also, why not make abortions easier. If the so-called fiscal conservatives want to get rid of the poor why don’t we work from the source, sarcasm starts here: let’s stop the criminals and lay-abouts before they are even born . It is fine to be pro-life but give people a livable life after birth as well or you will continue the cycle that you all are complaining about.

We can easily pay for healthcare, education and other social services. Just cut the military budget by 90% (We probably need to other 10% to clean up and dismantle nuclear reactors and the missles themselves. No one here is concerned about out-of-control military contracts to private companies nor public institutions being dismantled and handed over to private companies. Toll Roads, charter schools, utility infrastruture, the Georgia technology authority. It goes on and on.

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
12:58 pm

Mike wrote: “not expect the government to use their police power to take money from others”. This is an interesting comment. Would you have said the same thing when the Georgia State government was using the police to evict African Americans from their homes for the Stadium and highways in the 50s and 60s. What about poll taxes?

Hi Jimmy: The food on my table and the clothes on my back are transported on highways and boats. Usually picked by in this country by exploited Mexican illegals or manufactured by Chinese at 50 cents an hour who are forced to live in the factories instead of these products being made and grown locally. Why should I be thankful for highways for destroying local economies? Highways are expensive and inefficient and the over-dependence will be devastating once we cannot maintain the existing infrastructure. The bridge collapse in Wisconsin is an excellent example. What if part spaghetti junction collapsed. Traffic would be a total nightmare. How about 5 to 6 bridge collapses across the country. How would government coffers be able to withstand these types of events?

Highways are government constructed and maintained creations. Highway subsidies are welfare for suburbanites who are enabled to live faraway from a central core by government intervention and support. Sub and Exurbanites are not paying the real price for the destructive lifestyle and the government is enabling the same destructive lifestyle. How would you get to work if your car broke down and you live 30 miles from work. You cannot walk or take a bus so what do you do? Do you deal drugs or become a prostitute to make ends-meet at a minimal amount of work? Do you work at the local Walmart for minimum wage which is not even livable? The society creates criminals and then preys upon them to feed the incarceration and related industries as well as provided essentially prison slave labor for pennies an hour.

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 5th, 2010
1:08 pm

Anthony,
I do not use the term African American to define myself for it is a divisive word used to segregate people in this country. I am a person who descended from slaves who were brought from Africa, I am proof that not all people of that “group” think alike.
I do not want to seem to attack you personally but either you are blind or refuse to see the world around you for what it is. Can you explain to me how the majority of people get the essentials for their everyday life. Do you have a delivery system that magically transports goods and services from the producer to people that we don’t know about. In the world that I live in food, clothing, building materials and most all other essentials are transported in big trucks. Those big trucks use the highways to transport those goods and services. So until you can explain to me where you get your food and other essentials of life I think that question is closed.
Vehicle crashes on the highways are usually unfortunate occurrences for the party not at fault but so are any other type of preventable occurrence like slipping and falling in a store, falling off of a ladder at home or slamming your finger in a door. So I guess we should get rid of those activities as well.
If you are ridding the bus then you are accepting a form of welfare. Money has been taken from a larger group to benefit a smaller group. The very mindset displayed by the protesters reveals a lot. One actually said, “Public transportation is a right.” Rights are God given and I don’t believe God intended to pay for anyone’s transportation.
As for the children born into poverty in this country you would probably be interested to know that the majority of those children born into poverty also had parents who were born into poverty. Poverty that has not decreased but increased while all the social programs or safety networks have been put in place to fight the war on poverty. These programs are intended to keep people poor and dependent. I will paraphrase Benjamin Franklin; The best way to help a person in poverty is to make him uncomfortable in it. My mother refused to accept welfare, food stamps, wic or any other government program while her sister did not. My mother is a very independent senior now who raised three independent sons. My aunt is still living in section 8 housing. She lived in Bankhead Courts until they were torn down. My aunt raised 4 children on welfare. Two boys and two girls. One boy is dead while the other lives on welfare. One girl married out of the hood the other still exist in it. The one that is still part of the system now has 4 grandchildren at the age of 35. One of her daughters recently appeared on Maury. I guess that would qualify me to be black.
I do not believe in welfare of any kind. I believe that we are all born into this world with opportunities and that we should make the best of those opportunities. If we make good choices they usually result in good outcomes.
Anthony, you my friend are the one who has been brain washed for no matter what the real world looks like you only see the liberal, or progressive side of things. You believe the picture of what an “African American” is because of what you have been told…. right down to how he should speak or what he should think or believe. Amazing how a person who descended from kkk members can tell me if I am African American.
Oh! If you have not read your history on abortions: It was intended for exactly what you mentioned above. To get rid of the undesirable people. It was the brain child of people who called themselves progressives like Margerette Sanger and Woodrow Wilson. Sanger went as far as helping to establish abortion centers in only “African American” communities to achieve that goal. You see all of the ideas you speak of are progressive ideas. They all say that they have great positive social meaning when in actuality they only mean to control.

Donald

April 5th, 2010
3:12 pm

Here we go: Anthony Baker talking about how black people should or should not sound on a blog…Anthony, your talk is silly and near delusional in nature…Cut 90% of the Military budget…? Are you crazy? Not all blacks agree with that line of thinking , because I don’t and I am black. I find it very disrespectful that that you think all 42 million African Americans think exactly the same as you do, like we are mindless and uneducated zombies easily influenced by media or a social leader. Bottom line is you think that if blacks don’t agree with your line of thinking , they are brainwashed?!? Brother-man, please…you are on an ego trip on the real tip. Since you are sceptical, and you think all blacks only think a certain way, would you care that I prove it to you????

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
4:30 pm

Well you gentlemen certainly have me there. I concede defeat on the issue of how all African Americans think. I only have experience with the folks I know personally on a day to day basis, so I suppose I could be called brain-washed in that respect. Never meant to infer that African Americans as a group are mindless or brain-washed. I just thought since African Americans fought such a bloody revolution for civil rights up until today that the majority of African Americans would be of the mindset that everyone in the community deserves a hand-up no matter what mistakes they have made in the past. If you all see this type of thinking as wrong, I feel this is rather sad.

My experience with the anti-public transit, anti-social services supporters has been they are all white middle class.

I have not read on the history of abortion in this society as a form of racial control but it would not surprise me at all. I was using abortion in terms that a pro-life society should be pro-life after children are brought into the world and give them a chance to have a decent life. I think it was obvious that children born into poverty were born to poor parents and those parents from possibly poor grand-parents.

Jimmy: In regards to the comment “If you are ridding the bus then you are accepting a form of welfare. Money has been taken from a larger group to benefit a smaller group.”

I would say if you are taking a tax credit on your house or car, you are taking welfare.

I do not deny that people do take advantage of the social systems, but it is there to keep the society from sliding into anarchy. Since these systems have been enacted there has been a slow chipping away at them to shovel more federal fund to private companies. We read about bail-outs to private companies everyday.

Donald: If we are closing schools and bleeding jobs and talking about how social security and medicare will bankrupt the country, how can we justify spending trillions per year on military spending. You have to cut somewhere and the military needs cutting.

Donald

April 5th, 2010
7:53 pm

Mr. Baker;

It appears you are on the far left of the political spectrum and you expect (Demand?) all African-Americans be of the same mindset. well we are not…we are just like every other ethnic group, whites, Hispanic, asian, etc. ..we are all over the political and social belief spectrum…I happen to be a registered Independent..I generally vote Democrat but will occasionally support a Repubican if he/she supports my values. I cannot stand it that people assume because I am black that I will think or act a certain way. You wouldn’t like it, and neither do I.

I am also tired of outside people telling us what is best for Clayton County. C-Tran had to go. If you had to live where I do, you would understand. 9 years ago, I bought a nice house in a formerly nice suburb. My neighbors moved away after accreditation loss and three transplanted section 8 families/groups moved into the houses on either side and across the street. I tried to be neighborly, but these folks do not care..Loud noice & fighting all hours of the night. Different cars pulling up boomin’ 24/7. Grass uncut & trash on the yards, strange thuggish looking people hanging around all the time, police always at one of their houses, and I could go on and on. My wife is now afraid to go out the house alone, and the few decent neighbors I have are talking about moving…..I am supposed to accept this???? Is this normal living??? Would you be sing that same socialist bent if you lived her…I don’yt think so. You would be talking about C-TRAN had to go too, and also putting curbs on Section 8.

As for Military Spending, our whole Government is bloated…There should be a lot of cutbacks across the board, Military and otherwise. Too much government stifles growth. One only has to look through history for a bunch of examples.

Anthony Baker

April 5th, 2010
9:45 pm

Hi Donald,
I agree with you on the point of how African Americans think. I equated African Americans with the far-left civil rights and humanitarian movements from the early to mid 20th century, even before. Africans Americans are responsible for a large part of the far-left artistic, political and cultural movements of North America. The arts and culture are usually associated with the left so that was a faux pas on my part. I concede and agree that African Americans can be on the right, Michael Steele is an excellent example. I apologize for the blanket association. It was not intended to be racial.

I understand your frustration and it makes perfect sense to me. I just think eliminating C-Tran will further isolate the bad elements you have issues with keeping them where they are. I just find it difficult to believe C-Tran was solely responsible for bringing these bad elements to your neighborhood. Atlanta demolished many of the blighted housing projects and instead of addressing the issues of poor education, physical isolation and lack of access to jobs nor historical poverty. Atlanta just shoveled the people they did not want the tourists to see anymore into the neighboring counties. If anyone is to blame I would think it would be Atlanta and the State of Georgia for letting such problems fester and worsen over decades.

I certainly respect and understand your feelings on C-Tran. I might want the same if I was in your situation.

I cannot say I have had the same experience as you. I can certainly understand that frustration and your point in wanting C-Tran gone especially considering the circumstances.

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 5th, 2010
9:51 pm

Anthony,
You apparently mean well however misguided you are. Committing crimes are not mistakes. To be convicted of most you need to show intent. Once you have committed that crime you need to do just as those people who fought for civil rights did. When they got knocked down they pulled themselves back up. Coddling and bending over backward to make a criminals life better does nothing to help that criminal.
Being allowed to keep the money you earned is never welfare. It is your right. God gives you time on this Earth and if you use that time working and creating something of value then you usually earn an income. With that income you can choose to purchase a house and property. No one has a right to take that property away from you. When the government essentially says, “you can keep your own money” they are simply doing what is right. On the other hand, if you do not earn that money and the government gives it to you then that is welfare and that happens everyday with things like the earned income tax credit.
A person who already receives welfare, food stamps, and section 8 can work for a few weeks out of the year, file an income tax return and not only get back what taken out of their check but an additional “earned income.” While the person who receives no government assistance has to pay even more.
Private businesses should not get money from the government either on that we can agree. However even the amount of money received by the bailout pales in comparison to what we have spent on social programs and the “war on poverty.” The war is lost and to continue to believe that it can be won by taking money from others to give it to the poor is a pipe dream at best or an evil twisted bit of social engineering at worst.
Once people accept the social engineering they typically get hooked on it and their children are raised on it. The children get hooked on it and they stay on it which creates the cycle. The cycle of poverty created by these social programs is despicable. It is the rare occasion that someone breaks that cycle.
Anthony I truly believe that you don’t have the life experience to speak on the issues you have decided to take on. I believe the only experience you have with African Americans comes from seeing Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton on T.V. and then hearing the anchor person say they are leaders of the African Americans. You apparently only know what you see and hear progressive politicians pushing.
The Constitution requires the government provide for the public defense not provide for the taking of the public’s money. True enough there is waist in military spending but I would much rather see it spent defending me than to support someone who refuses to support themselves.

Anthony Baker

April 6th, 2010
9:59 am

Good points Jimmy, I do agree that some people take advantage of social programs. I have seen exactly the same happen in Canada and I can understand the feeling that those people on welfare need to get off their bums and go to work. The same thing happens in Canada except those benefiting from the welfare programs are Caucasian. But that is not a reason to dismantle the system how about better oversite. I think here and there it is easier for the government to throw money at these people than actually addressing the economic and social roots of those problems.

I do have everyday interactions with African Americans. The women who work and manage my children’s daycare are African American. Those women want to work and do work very hard. They go to Grady and take Marta because they cannot afford healthcare or the cost of gas. They are not on welfare but are having difficulties getting by and are glad to have work in this recession. A young lady who works with me is African American (she is much better off). I walk through five-points station everyday and see people trying to get by and some just looking for trouble.
Now, I think you are pigeon-holing me into a suburban white stereo type. I do have the life experience to comment on social spending I have lived in Canada and the U.S. and traveled quite extensively. The social system’s have been getting steadily cut since Reagan. The prison industry has grown because of lobbyist pushing for mandatory minimum sentences and harsh drug laws for non-violent and very minor offenses. If you are a felon, try getting a job or voting (you can’t vote in many states). Many states do not protect felon’s right to work or be discriminated against in a job interview or even get an apartment. This type of treatment pushes felon’s back into criminality because they have nothing else to go or cannot live anywhere, so they get pushed to section 8 with many others in the same situation. So put all of the disenfranchised and frustrated together in one place and you get a horrible ghetto. The system has created the ghetto and prison industries have used those ghettos as cash-cows to get money from the state for private prisons.

The government takes our money to pay for unearned bail-outs and a never-ending war on terror and drugs instead of education and healthcare. Everyone in this country has been hood-winked by the government in colusion with private industry to think that social spendingThe auto in is a bad idea while private industry is the way to go and more efficient. The auto-industry is a well-known example of that false-hood. If they had worked by free-market principles we would not have an auto-industry.

sjduke23

April 17th, 2010
5:12 pm

I have been a resident of Clayton Co. for the past 13 years. I was for the bus system at first because i came from NY where the system and the stops were respected.I was taken aback when I saw the 1st shed put up and within 2 days trash was everywhere. Transit riders just continued to throw trash on the ground and at the sheds. I have to drive down riverdale road to get home from my job and as the years went on I became more embarassed and depressed about my community. Crime went up the homes in my neighborhood were being section-8 out and I was considering moving, but why. I moved and bought my home because of location and Clayton Co. was nice, progressive, and affordable. I don’t feel that I should have to move because some residents of Clayton Co bring down the property value and don’t care about the county their section-8 vouchers allowed them to move into. I am so happy the bus has stopped running in Clayton County. I can already feel the difference in my neighborhood. The next great move would be for the drug infested apartments on Riverdale road to be demolished.

bran

May 8th, 2010
5:25 pm

You need to get the facts people before you start to judge. There was a survey done where a new transit system was placed and crime only rose very little to none after the transit system was in. Second People forget to consider the following: How many people use the bus to get to work and how many people use the bus to go to College. How much taxes are being generated by the rider-ship spending. So if you have a person spend 5 dollars a trip 5 times a week that would be 91 dollars in tax times 2.1 million riders that would be 191,100,000 dollars in taxes

Plus people who ride the bus pay for roads they don’t even use.

Brant Moseley

June 14th, 2010
2:12 pm

blogs.ajc.com’s done it again! Superb writing.

DC Henry

July 27th, 2010
12:39 pm

I am a college student at Clayton State that was forced to withdraw from classes when I was no longer able to get to classes because of C-Tran. More than 15% of the students at Clayton State were affected by the system being removed. It did not hurt “ghetto” people — it hurt those people trying to move forward academically that can help to restore the economy when they are educated and in the workforce. It was my hope upon graduation to be a educator in Clayton County Schools and help turn around a district that is clearly struggling. Instead, I am working a part time job that barely pays above minimum wage, stuggling to buy a car, so that hopefully I can attend college in the fall and finish my degree.