More options for C-Tran Riders

Although C-Tran service will end Wednesday, March 31,  as scheduled, thanks to the passage of House Bill 1393 riders have hope that it will eventually be restored. However, Clayton county voters now get to decide whether or not to approve an extra penny sales tax in order to fund C-Tran service in the future. Commissioner Sonna Singleton commented on 11 Alive News that 5,000 C-Tran riders will be affected, although 270,000 Clayton residents help pay for the service.

Despite the FTA’s refusal to fund new Xpress routes aimed at C-Tran riders, there are still commuter options available as several areas of Atlanta such as downtown, midtown and Buckhead have transporation management associations eager to help riders find clean commuting options to work and school.

I have read on this blog and elsewhere that some rode C-Tran in order to save gas and avoid vehicle wear and tear. For those who have access to a car and can partner with other riders, carpooling is an option. Sign up with RideSmart to connect with commuters that work and live near you, and share similar work hours.

Another choice is vanpooling, which currently operates a route departing from the JC Penney outlet in Forest Park. According to the Web site they are open to starting new routes and typically, 7-15 riders are needed to create one.

“The cost to ride the van varies, and the route and final destination are decisions made by the group of commuters who will ride and drive the van. The commuters end up operating the van in a way that is mutually agreed upon among the riders, within certain rules set by the van provider,” says Sara Milton, Project Manager of Central Atlanta Progress, Inc.

Which commuter option would you consider in lieu of C-Tran?

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There are three existing Xpress routes available for those who can get to a park and ride lot. The closest for most C-Tran riders would probably be the #442 (Riverdale to Downtown Atlanta), but the #440 (Hampton-Jonesboro to Downtown Atlanta) and #441 (Jonesboro to Midtown Atlanta) are also possibilities. Xpress expects crowding on these routes once C-Tran ends, and will try to accommodate passengers with any spare coaches they may have available.

All of these options qualify for the Clean Air Campaign’s Commuter Rewards Program, where riders who log in daily are randomly selected each month to win $25 gift cards for using clean commuting options regularly. According to Milton, Carpool Rewards winners are not randomly chosen - as long as both carpool partners log in their rides daily online, they will get a $40 or $60 gift card for 3 or more person carpools.

129 comments Add your comment

Shannon

March 31st, 2010
9:14 am

Aptly-named Mr. Nobody, I proudly claim the label of liberal. I can’t speak for all liberals, but I’m generous with my own money, too. And there are worse things to be than a “hippie”–someone who believes in love toward all, freedom for everyone, and pacifism.

But it’s much easier to just dismiss an argument with a label or two rather than take it apart substantively, isn’t it? Demonize someone with the label of “liberal,” and suddenly you don’t have to engage their ideas.

I’d engage your ideas, if you had any. So far, your “idea” seems to be “People can’t get to work? Whatever, not my problem.” Oh, and of course… Those people are undesirables, right? Not Like Us.

JustAnOpinion

March 31st, 2010
9:22 am

To posters who think C-Tran is the causde to alot of trouble, I agree in part; look at this way, I think elimanting the systems will drive crimes like grand theft auto up. Despirity drives ignorance and ignorance is crime. As far as safety on public transit, I totally agree with you (Sick of it all). You know perhaps, the commission can look at compromises for each party…riders and non riders. Compromises such as have police in street clothes who ride or perhaps have security cameras installed and etc. C-tran is a small percentage of the issues of crime…270,000 tax payers, 5,000 riders, you do the math…Clayton County needs culture, and its inhabitants (you and me) have to be serious about the community. Parents, need to have a curfew for kids in school, not standing around at the local gas stations, or street corner. People need to stop littering…there are tons of issues that non c-tran lovers can take on to make the “class,” or “imagine,” look better. People need to be at the commission meetings, voicing their opinions, about how the county is wasting your tax dollars on ignorance?

Mr. Nobody

March 31st, 2010
10:31 am

Shannon- I must have struck a nerve…how did people get to work before C-Tran? Before cars? Before liberals? Just remember, many people had to die on the battlefield to give you the right to free speech. That freedom that you love so much doesn’t come free. Constitutions are written in blood…not with Pacifism…we didn’t get where we are today from being pacifist…listen, with that aside, you believe that keeping C-Tran around will somehow (in your warped liberal mind) show how compassionate of a society we are…that we are helping those who are “less fortunate” blah, blah, blah. Nothing wrong with helping less fortunate, however, in this country the majority rules…when there are 270,000 people in a county and only 5,000 use the costly service, why should they have to continue to pick up the tab??? Do the math…You liberals always play the “compassion card” to try and win over the emotions of the dumb masses.

Personal Responsiblity

March 31st, 2010
10:38 am

For those 5,000 riders to fund an $8 Million dollar program, it would cost them each $1600 per year. For $1600 – you can buy a car at any of the no credit check car lots that dot Tara Blvd.

Ellenwood Resident

March 31st, 2010
10:56 am

I am not a person who likes to make a decision on opinions or gut feelings or hypotheticals but rather the information that is presented to all of us. Some of you may not agree with what I say but please let’s keep this civil.

(JustAnOpinion) you said “You say you won’t pay for C-Tran, will that is like saying I don’t use Riverdale Road, yet your tax dollars are used to maintain it.” While that is partly true, my tax dollars not only fund Riverdale Road but all the roads in the State and County which I do use. So yes, most of us are paying to use maintained roads whether using our cars or on mass transit buses. I do not think that you can compare paying taxes to fund C-Tran with paying taxes to help fund roads and bridges.

Jimmy (Conservative Brother)

March 31st, 2010
11:50 am

Just an opinion, we all pay for roads and highways because everyone benefits from them whether you actually own a car or not. Think about it even if you stayed in your house and never moved the goods and services you use are all transported via the roadway at some time. The other reasons you give are simply short sided thinking.
There are three elderly women in my family all in their eighties and they have a younger brother in his late seventies. The brother is the only one who drives. When they need to get somewhere the brother sometimes will drive locally and if they have to travel a distance there are other family members who will gladly step in and say, “I’m glad to help.”
Likewise when I was in college I maintained two jobs and paid for my vehicle and so did many of my friends. Stop making excuses. No one wants to hear them. The biggest excuse I see that you mentioned is, “less fortunate.” For the most part, “You are where you are because of the decisions you make.” Being Fortunate has nothing to do with it. RANTNRAVE said it so well above. The next time you see the C-tran story on the news look carefully at the complaining people and count the bad decisions.

WTF?

March 31st, 2010
12:06 pm

Just to tag on the “paying for roads” comments, the BUSES also use the roads too ya know so we’re paying to maintain roads and for the buses to operate on them sounds like double jeopardy.

Bryan

March 31st, 2010
12:17 pm

It’s terrible the classism and racism heard in these blogs. First Clayton is and WAS bad before the arrival of C-Tran and all the section 8 people that are coming from the ATL projects. Don’t blame what the people of Clayton let happen on a few people who ride the bus… 5,000 people aren’t going to turn a county with 270,000 as bad as it is now. You need to thank your council for allow all that section 8. The county made money off that at the expense of making the area a concentrating of lower income people. The same ones the “great residents” of CC voted in. Then when they bring a transit service people feel like the county just went down from there. Sorry didn’t happen like that. Not just from 5,000 riders or so, who most ride to get to work and school and medical appointments. Yeah those are the people bringing down the county… real smart!

Second I makes no sense for for a county that large not to have a transit option. I hate that MARTA isn’t running all 5 of the transit system to make it all one and better organized than having 5… well 4 different area providers. Crime doesn’t come when transit comes. Look at all the development built or planned around transit stations near MARTA. Transit is a major reason that large companies come to the area. Who wants their employees stressed and always late because there is no transit option? Your backwards thinking is going to push employers away from the metro area and definitely away from CC.

Third, is a 1% sales tax really that much? I mean dang you pay for something that is $1 a total of 1.07… now it goes up to 1.08! Are you really going to feel that? The way some of these people talk CC has so many well off people that don’t need transit but you can pay an extra PENNY on the dollar? Please! Then everyone says that Peachtree City and all these other area don’t have transit, well those areas are for people that want to commute into the city and don’t want to be close to the city. That’s fine but not in one of the big 5 counties. You are too close to ATL not to have a transit option. Everyone wants to talk about ATL and it’s problem and try to be separate from the city but you wouldn’t have nothing if it wasn’t for ATL. CC would look like the rest of Ga… nothing for fields and farms with small towns in between. If Clayton doesn’t want to be part of MARTA or the metro area and take the good AND bad that comes with it… leave! The metro area has 5.7 million.. take away the 270K… that rounds off to about 5.4 million… the metro area will be just fine… for that matter all the metro areas that don’t support ATL or MARTA can leave… still over 2 million to support it!

Fourth, save the racism. All this “baby momma” this and “ghetto” that. If you really know what went on you would know that the thugs and the trappers have cars and don’t take transit. What does a drug dealer look like on a bus for the police to run up on them and get caught easy? Are there poor people on the bus and trains.. yes! Are people commiting crimes.. no! Are there loud and roudy people.. yes.. sometimes.. the same ones that are in the grocery stores or malls or on the roads beside y’all! Transit is needed bottom line. Just like roads, schools, and police/fire depts. It’s needed. All that other stuff about C-Tran or MARTA must go is dumb and insensitive to your county. ATL has a lot more nicer areas that have MARTA and lower crime rates than most areas in Clayton. Wonder why in a recent survey in todays AJC says Clayton residents have the worst quality of life.. and that is from Clayton residents. LOL.. Clayton Sucks.. always has and always will!

Jive N*g Teach

March 31st, 2010
12:44 pm

Candlelight vigils? Loud exclamations at board meetings? Come on! Don’t raise hell– raise funds! This brief article is the only thing I’ve seen about alternatives. It would be nice if those who support C-Tran (and by extension, MARTA) would jointly or severally come up with
*alternative funding sources
* an alternative transportation system (van pools, “jitney” services, etc.)
* outreach to the business community to help (e.g. product or service promotion, advertising opportunities, small-business/large business partnerships, etc.)
* Effective legal challenges (e.g. concerted lobbying of the state legislature, including writing model legislation, “friend of the court” briefs, promises to provide goods, services, money, etc. to help offset costs, etc.)

People are acting as if “either the government pays for my bus” or “i will be unemployed and mad” are the only possible endgames to this mess.

Vote NO CTran in Clayton

March 31st, 2010
12:45 pm

Let’s go back to when there was no bus service in Clayton County, people were able to get to work. Atlanta dumped all their problems on Clayton County when they closed the projects. Thanks, Atlanta for nothing.

Jive Ng Teach

March 31st, 2010
12:45 pm

Candlelight vigils? Loud exclamations at board meetings? Come on! Don’t raise hell– raise funds! This brief article is the only thing I’ve seen about alternatives. It would be nice if those who support C-Tran (and by extension, MARTA) would jointly or severally come up with
*alternative funding sources
* an alternative transportation system (van pools, “jitney” services, etc.)
* outreach to the business community to help (e.g. product or service promotion, advertising opportunities, small-business/large business partnerships, etc.)
* Effective legal challenges (e.g. concerted lobbying of the state legislature, including writing model legislation, “friend of the court” briefs, promises to provide goods, services, money, etc. to help offset costs, etc.)

People are acting as if “either the government pays for my bus” or “i will be unemployed and mad” are the only possible endgames to this mess.

Bryan

March 31st, 2010
1:06 pm

Clayton County is a terrible place to be and it’s because of the people there that have been there for years. C-Tran or MARTA or Atlanta has nothing to do with it. You voted the people in office that allow all that section 8 housing to make money for the county and back fired. Now you don’t want to support a means for those poorer people to get around. You voted those people in office so CC is to blame for their own downfall. MARTA should have been in the county to provide service. Now your traffic is terrible and you quality of life is just as bad. Look at todays AJC and see the survey. CC was last in everything. People like Jimmy (Conservative Brother) and all those who down transit and show your racism and prejudice and classism you just show how far behind CC is and why your county is the way it is. Backwards thinking in an area that is part of a great metro area like Atlanta. Support the 1% tax and allow our region to have a great transit system so we can continue to grow and have great economic progress rather than going backwards like we are stuck in the 60s.

Big Pappi

March 31st, 2010
1:25 pm

RantNRave, you are right on point and I agree completely! If you choose to spend your money on high end smart phones,body art, weaves and other ridiculous hairstyles, and gaudy clothing and expensive sneakers you SHOULD NOT be getting free lunch for your kids, sect.8 or any other govt. handouts. Why do they think the tax payers would want to pay more for something that has for the most part been detrimental to our county and attracted an undesireable element. I sypathize for those who will be stranded. The county knew this day was coming when they accepted the TEMPORARY federal start-up funds. Something to really worry about: The ghettoization of Tara Blvd. Very disturbing that the main thoroughfare through the county could not support a Publix or a Long Horn Steakhouse.

Clayton Taxpayer

March 31st, 2010
2:27 pm

I believe there are many hard-working, honest people who use C-Tran and I feel terrible for them. I can’t imagine having to deal with the frustration of trying to support a family and not knowing how I will get to work.

Having said that, there’s no way in hell I’m going to vote for a tax increase – I don’t care if it is just a penny. Pennies add up and I’m at my breaking point. My property taxes have increased while the value of my home has decreased. I pay school taxes but won’t send my children to Clayton County Schools. I’ve had ENOUGH!

I hope that everyone who uses C-Tran to get to work and school are able to find alternate transporation.

Donald

March 31st, 2010
4:18 pm

Just check out the county satisfaction ratings on AJC, and guess what…SURPRISE!!!!! Clayton Clown-ty is scraping the bottom…again (Who would have thought it????)

Why as a CC resident, do I have to continue to suffer like this…? It’s like a never-ending nightmare and it really isn’t fair to the hard working people of CC that actually care about their communities. Then again, a lot of it is our fault for not leaving before the property values sunk to their current abyssmal level. Since I am stuck here, the best I can do is work with the system to try to help drag this county out of the toilet bowl.

C-Tran folding is a good first step, however, a lot more has to be done. The people that care must pull together as a community and demand some reform in the areas of mandating economic revitalization zones to spur industry here in the county. We must demand legislative curbs on section 8 and rentals that are turning vast tracts of our county into “projects”. We need to demand that our school system get its act together (Can someone out there explain why an elementary school is playing 50 cent during a school program, and the principal has the gall to defend it?).

We need to demand more from our youth. Since their parents apparently don’t care, society has to take care of the problem. Since we legislate everything else, how about a curfew for them to get the roving “gangs” off the late night streets. While we are at it, we need to legislate that businesses have to take better care of their properties. Driving down Tara or Hwy 85 makes me mad…If business don’t want to do little things like paint over grafitti or fix the potholes on their parking lots, they shouldn’t be in business….Condemn the properties, bulldoze ‘em down, and build City parks or whatever.

Okay, okay, I guess I am venting….Feeling like you are trapped in hell tends to make one act like that. I guess I will go sit out on my porch and watch my ghetto-fab neighbors walk around their weed-infested property with their pants sagging….It’s some great scenery….

tracy

March 31st, 2010
4:39 pm

I been a resident of Clayton County for 15 years when my husband and I moved here we knew the bus was not available that is WHY we moved.I moved from Forest Park last summer where I owned 2 homes for 14 years and moved to the Panhandle area of Clayton to get away from all crime and bus riders.I do not want to fund C-TRAN I SAY PUT IT TO A VOTE.My city is Fayetteville but county is still Clayton I pray that we can break away and become part of Fayette County.If we fund anthing in Clayton I say fund the schools so the staff can keep the jobs they have.Our priorities are in the wrong place.I vote 100 percent capital NO!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t use the bus why should I fund it most of the riders are renters not home owners my property taxws are high enough

Whoa

March 31st, 2010
6:40 pm

if you take the south most part of Clayton – ya gotta take Point South too

Whoa

March 31st, 2010
6:50 pm

Options for C-Tran riders?? – walk – bicycle – moped – scooter – motorcycle – car – truck – the generosity of friend – offer friends to help pay for gas – carpool – the thumb (hitch a ride) – then the most obvious, move back to Fulton and Dekalb. Thanks for the memories.

Spectator

March 31st, 2010
7:08 pm

@cracker: They say it everytime they vote not to have public transportation in their town.

I am with an earlier poster, when they vote to have public transporation in Henry, Rockdale, Coweta, Griffin, Jackson, Peachtree City and other parts of Fayette County, I will reconsider my position on C-TRAN!

I am just saying...

March 31st, 2010
7:29 pm

The people of Clayton were “had” years ago. They did not see it coming. Well, some did that is why they moved. For the rest of the people, you were “had”.

The board of commissioners sold out to the contractors/builders. When they closed the projects in Atlanta, the people had some where to move. Unfortunately, that was Clayton County.

The commissioner sold out for the temporary money that was offered to bring public transportation to Clayton. The new residents from Atlanta had to have a way to get around.

The change in leadership (School Board, commission, district attorney’s office and the sheriff office) was not prepared for the issues that came along with demographic shift.

It was a perfect storm!

If there is a silver lining in this recession, this is it. We have a chance to get it right in Clayton. We do not have the money to support foolishness!

With the exception of Eldrin Bell, I think the commission is more stable. I know the justice system is more stable. The office of Sheriff is more stable.

Now, the commissioners need to establish standards for building permits. When the housing market improves, make it attractive to build higher end homes or at least mid range homes.

GET RID OF C-TRAN.

Continue to demand that the school address foolishness!

Big Papi

March 31st, 2010
7:31 pm

The other commishioners finally showed some cojones and voted to let C-tran go. Bell, who is bordering on being irrelevant is pandering to the low income entitlement crowd: Pay for my bus ride, Pay for my kid’s school lunch, pay for my housing, pay for my health care………..gimme, gimme, gimme…….

BYE BYE!!

March 31st, 2010
8:28 pm

Nana Nana Nana hey hey say goodbye!! Heee Heee!! Thank you maybe we can get this county back on track! As far as business closing because of lack of employees . Thats the most ridiculous thing i ever heard! ITs a recession people! Everyone is looking for jobs and they will take it without riding C Tran! Your brothers south of the border will gladly do your job. You live by the system you are going to die by the system. Havent we learned anything from Hurricane Katrina. Wise up and pull your self up by your boot straps even if you dont have any! Take charge of your life!

ASimpleTruth

March 31st, 2010
9:46 pm

I think its shameful how ‘these people’ are moaning on tv about their lost bus option. Excuse me? But, weren’t you told LAST YEAR that CTRAN was ending March 31st??? You had HOW LONG
(6+ months) to make other arrangements? I’m sorry, but you’re ADULTS, not children!

GOODBYE CTRAN! PLEASE DON’T EVER COME BACK!!!!

Concerned Citizen

March 31st, 2010
10:16 pm

Only in Clayton County would people be opposed to mass transit! We are bucking the worldwide trend here. less pollution, less wear and tear on the road thus less money to fix roads. Georgia is so dame ass backwards it’s not even funny! Glad we got out when we did

Sick Of It All

April 1st, 2010
12:11 am

Concerned Citizen….glad you got out as well. Hope you’re happy where you are. Atlanta was not designed to be like northern cities no matter how much northerners may want it to be. I find it amazing that people come to an area & do nothing but complain about it. If your area of origin is so great…..why come here ? People who are unhappy should do exactly what you did, leave. There are also plenty of areas that don’t want mass transit. It’s not just Clayton. Don’t kid yourself.

Bryan, where are you getting your facts from ? In the 90’s it was 3 counties you didn’t want to commit a crime in….Henry, Clayton & Cobb. What changed ? The Olympics came & Atlanta proper started trying to clean itself up. That was the first wave. Then the projects were completely torn down. That was wave 2. Also since you are so in love with Marta…why don’t you leave ? Go to an area that has it. In regards to the nicer areas of Atlanta with Marta, they don’t have the same demographics so don’t have the same problems. That’s like comparing apples & oranges. None of us are any better than any other but truthfully, people choose to live in areas that will give them the type of lifestyle they desire. I did not desire to live in a lower socioeconomic area and deal with the problems poverty brings. I worked my bum off to ensure that I didn’t have to live in such an area. Sorry if for whatever reason, others did not or could not. That doesn’t mean my quality of life should have to be lowered. I also have the ability to pay the extra sales tax but I don’t want to. Why should I have to ? Why do people always feel that those who are in a better situation should make the sacrifices ? I made numerous sacrifices to get where I am. How about others make those same sacrifices while they better themselves.

Lot’s of people keep talking about the people of Clayton did or didn’t do ….. The people of Clayton is being over run by transplants from Atlanta & Dekalb, so don’t blame us for this. By transplants, I mean residents & politicians. The few of us that tried to hang in there & didn’t follow the “White flight” are suffering dearly for that decision. What people don’t understand though is that Clayton is going through it’s own “urban renewal”. Clayton was allowed to be brought to it’s knees so that the powers that be could easily reclaim it. Clayton would be a gold mine if handled correctly. The proximity to Atlanta & the airport make it very valuable. Don’t believe me ? Start paying attention to who is moving back into Clayton.

Shocked

April 1st, 2010
2:46 am

Why!!!!! Reading theses comments is amazing! I can’t believe the comments that these folks made. You scream no more taxes no more buses because your taxes are to high; the schools are no better and the traffic is even worse. So you people put the blame for crime on the people that ride the buses. How about put the blame on yourselves. During this economical hardship you expect these people to give up there right to a better quality of life. Do you think these hard working taxpayers do have the right to a better quality of life, because some rent an apartment or don’t have a car? I guess you’ll have great paying job where you can afford the american dream, or is it you are living like the joneses or is it just a front? Who am I kidding, these folks think that since there are no more buses that these folks will move out and clayton county will go back to the way it was no Crime, Yea Right!!!! One more thing for the folks that need the buses why don’t we stop helping the idots pay for anything let these folk pay the taxes for their schools and there roads and bridges and that way they can blame themselves for the crap that they want.

cracker

April 1st, 2010
8:52 am

concerned citizen of where? im glad you left also.

JustAnOpinion

April 1st, 2010
9:51 am

Here’s a thought to all those who posted, “C-Tran is the cause of…” Well, as stated AJC says Clayton is at the bottom. Why? Because we have soooooooo many opinions on this and other media outlets, but we refuse to voice these great concerns, to the comissioners who make decisions for the greater of us. I don’t know who’s idea is it that “Ghetto,” means baby mommas and the like. In part, people have given such a bad name. Some mothers can’t help that baby daddy’s aren’t in the picture…something to think about before psoting such unfounded facts. The fact is C-Tran is gone, it is not good, because people have to get around. Someone stated that they should purchase a car, with the funds they use for bus fare. I agree and disagree, I agree because the bus should not be anyone’s finally mode of transport, I disagree because if they do not know how to drive, then they add to the growing accidents in this county. Jive Ng teacher, you are very correct, vigils and the like aren’t going to sway a decision about money, policy does. Everyone who supports the bus should be at the capitol, rallying their representatives to take action. On my last point, I am curious, as to why people who says something negative, about this system, has not said anything at the PUBLIC board meetings before the news started to report this mess? Most people likes to ride the band wagon thats my theory.

Straight No Chaser

April 1st, 2010
11:06 am

Recession is a blessing in disguise…… for a new economy to rise something old has to die!!! – Nas

Yes I quoted a rapper but no truer words have been spoken as it relates to Clayton County. Clayton has hit rock bottom and now there is no other way to go but up; however it will be true leadership that will facilitate the turn around. @Sick of it All thank you for giving a true history of Clayton. When I was a student in Dekalb in the 80’s one of the counties we KNEW not to play around in was Clayco!! You made sure all your stuff was in order!!! Right before the Olympics up until 2008 & part of 2009 we went through a very very sad time. Last election cycle we got rid of dead weight…cough, cough…Victor Hill….cough…..Jewell Scott. Now that I have been a resident for 12yrs of Clayton I am seeing signs of a turn around. @Sick of it All you made a great point about the proximity to Atlanta & Airport, but you forgot to mention the biggest and best thing in Clayton………WATER!!!!! In 3 yrs when the rest of Metro Atlanta is under a water crisis again because of the ruling of the federal lawsuit the state is under Clayton will be just fine with its OWN water supply (One of the cleanest in the nation). People have no clue of the all of the lakes, parks, places to fish and natural beauty all over the county.

Clayton is on its way back!!

jimmy (conservative brother)

April 1st, 2010
11:18 am

The protest and vigils were just like most of the buses… empty. The rest of the commissioners were able to stand up to Bell for two main reasons. The facts are clear; We can not continue to spend 8 million dollars for 5 thousand people. The 270 thousand tax paying citizens of this county have made it clear to their commissioners that they do not want C-Tran. The commissioners read this blog too and it is clear what the citizens want.

Idontliveinyocounty

April 1st, 2010
11:34 am

Well, the county must realize that when C-Tran was implemented, they should have known that letting this Vehicle Transit System into the county what it was going to bring to the county, I’m not talking about the people, but, i’m talking about the people. Now it’s a monster that has been created and now they have to kill it..It’s a good thing in one way that C-Tran is leaving, but, it’s a bad thing in another way because people are losing their jobs, as we all say “Sometimes, the good has to suffer with the bad. So, just like the rest of the us, GET A CAR AND GET OVER IT!! Clay-CO has suffered enough especially with the school system…Let’s put that money saved into our schools and get these kids a quality education that they deserve..Clean Up Clay-Co, it looks SUSPECT!!

Idontliveinyocounty

April 1st, 2010
11:34 am

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Donald

April 1st, 2010
11:36 am

To “Shocked” & “Just an Opinion” above…after reading your posts and trying to discern what you actually were saying, this is a perfect example of why C-Tran needs to go…

Donald

April 1st, 2010
12:04 pm

To “Tracy” above….Stop hoping that River’s Edge will be handed over to Fayette County…Bottom line is Fayette & Henry won’t touch anything associated with Clayton with a ten-foot pole. If you are like me and stuck in an upside-down property with no-way to sell, the best thing we can do is work as hard as possible to change our environments. The hard truth is that we are stuck here in CC so unless a meteor falls on top of our houses or we win the lottery. Both aren’t going to happen so that means we have to start getting involved and demanding that our elected officials do their jobs and look out for the best interests of the County (Not Fulton’s or Atlanta’s best interests!!!!).

What is going to happen is that either enough people get fed up and we drag this God-forsaken county up out the sewer and make it a respectable place to live again, or the housing market changes just enough for us to escape purgatory. Either way, it will work itself out eventually…I just pray it doesn’t take 10-15 years to do it. The good news is that unless some incredible piece of bad-luck happens, C-Tran is toast and this by itself will do wonders for our county. The next thing that all concerned CC residents need to do is petition, write, phone or otherwise demand that legistation be enacted to curtail all the section-8 nonsense that permeates our county. You don’t see Fayette County operating like this, yet they are a prosperous and thriving county. If we can get 4 commissioners to see the light on C-Tran, we can get this done as well!

Big Pappi

April 1st, 2010
12:27 pm

What idiot was afraid of a big increase in crime due to the demise of Sleaze-tran. If that’s your excuse to turn to criminality then you were already predisposed to it. HELLO: crime is already through the roof in CC. To all you thugs, I am a law abiding citizen who is ARMED and competent in the use of firearms and stands ready to defend my family, my property, friends, neighbors or any other innocent person you choose to prey on.

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
1:28 pm

@ Sick Of It All April 1st, 2010 12:11 am

Where are your facts from. You say in the 90s you didn’t want to commit a crime? That is an opinion not a fact. Clayton looks no different than it did in the 90s with the exception of a few new neighborhoods. You talk about the olympics and Atlanta tearing down it’s projects but if it wasn’t for the county trying to make money by taking in them and the low property values BEFORE C-Tran and BEFORE people of lower income even came they wouldn’t have moved to that county. You didn’t see people using their section 8 vouchers moving to Buckhead or to Cobb or even Gwinnett did you?

Trust I’ve been gone from Clayton. Nothing there. I’m just a supporter of transit and think the people there are not using their better judgement. I don’t always use MARTA but I do and it’s great knowing that I can when I want. Then you speak of demographics.. yeah they are different.. a lot more educated people with money in the nice areas of Atlanta WITH transit as an option vs Clayton with a few ok areas and only choose to drive creating more pollution and traffic which in turn makes your quality of life worse.. i.e. the AJC survey that show the facts.

I do feel you on working hard and doing for yourself. I can from housing projects too. Look up Queensbridge projects and 40 projects in Queens NY. Now I’m college educated working on my masters and I have a good quality of life. But without transit I wouldn’t have made it thru my undergraduate years. I didn’t have the money. There are a lot of people going to school and working that just can’t afford a car. So many say “just get a car” but what about the payments, the gas, the car insurance, the cost to maintain it, the taxes on the car, the cost to keep it clean. That is a lot. People don’t think about that. What about the people that just can’t drive? The elderly? It’s not just the “thugs” as Clayton likes to say riding.

Someone even mentioned Clayton going thru and “urban renewal.” What urban area does anyone know that doesn’t have transit? Your only claim to glory is having the airport and being close to ATL. Clayton has nothing else to offer. Just so you know all those people that aren’t working anymore or going to school are staying right there in Clayton doing nothing while you working will pay for their apt and rental homes and the checks they will get every month. Stupid Clayton County!

Yeah, right

April 1st, 2010
2:46 pm

Bryan thanks for admitting that you don’t even live in Clayton. We now know your opinion means nothing in the grand scheme & your long winded rants can be ignored.

From one former Queensbridge resident to another (40-04 10th street here) please go enjoy your nirvana and leave us alone.

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
3:15 pm

@ Yeah, right

My opinion actually means a lot. I’ve lived in the county unfortunately. I have family in Clayton that sometimes use the system. Plus I’m in the metro area so when Clayton messes up the entire region feels the blow. That is why ATL isn’t what it use to be. We are so divided instead of working together as a whole. Then you have the entire state that is against the metro area. If you are from QB like you say you’d know the importance of public transit for those of lower income for work, school, and medical issues… or did you grow up on the rich side of the projects?

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
4:06 pm

Double Action

Why are you doing the same thing that you say I’m doing by sticking your nose in my business. If you read my blog above I have a connection to Clayton. I also have an interest in public transit in the area as a whole. Yes I did use “stupid” which is someone that doesn’t comprehend and does foolish things… i.e. the majority of the residents of Clayton. I’m glad to live in ATL rather than in a county with a bunch of small non progressive towns that are fortunate enough to be close to the city of ATL or they would look like the rest of Ga… farms and fields.

Straight No Chaser

April 1st, 2010
4:07 pm

@ Bryan

South Jamaica Queens here. 158th & Linden.

I have lived in Clayton for 12yrs. You obviously don’t know the true history of the County and the deals made behind the scenes that put the county in the position it did. If you knew that then you wouldn’t be saying what you are saying. The deal done with the 4 former commissioners all real estate developers bringing friends as builders, the same commissioners changing county home zoning ordinances so that more homes could be built on a lot of land. How about the deal cut with Atlanta HUD and Clayton HUD to ship upwards of 85% of section 8 and former project residents to Clayton. Should I go on? We won’t get into 2 of the current commissioners having ties back to the City of Atlanta and hiring a convicted corrupt former Atlanta commissioner to create the development plan of the county. B I could go on and on. The reason why your opinion doesn’t matter is because you bounced and didn’t stay to affect change.

Yeah, right

April 1st, 2010
4:15 pm

i.e., rich side of the projects … funny. When I lived in QB had to take the Q101/Q102 or walk to Queens Plaza because the train into QB was still being built.

One of several differences is NYCTA doesn’t only serve, nor was it solely created for, lower income folks and neighborhoods, school kids or those with medical issues. NYCTA services all neighborhoods regardless of income good, bad, rich poor, is a unified system unlike GA. The most glaring and important difference is its not only locally funded, but primarily state AND federally funded. If Clayton taxpayers didn’t have to foot the entire C-Tran alone I’d be 100% for it. I applaud commissioners for making a tough and unpopular decision for some.

If you’re waiting for GA to fall in love with the metro area and pour money into it for MARTA or build mass transit anything like NYCTA, you’ve got a long wait and never should’ve left NYC. And you can’t seriously blame Clayton for messing up the entire region because didn’t either Cobb or Gwinnett residents vote NOT to have MARTA in their area just last year? Why is it OK for them to reject public transit in their neighborhoods, but not Clayton?

Do your family members sit around with you trashing Clayton too, or are they actually doing something, anything, to help improve the county and their neighborhood? Do they attend school board or commission meetings and voice their opinions (or yours, since you have so many on Clayton)? If not, then they’re part of the problem too and we don’t need any more problems.

You don’t live in this county anymore. Good for you, congratulations on escaping the abyss. Instead of wasting your life trashing Clayton, why don’t you use your degree to get your loved ones outta here so they don’t have to suffer the indignity of living here any longer? And since you don’t live here anymore NO your opinion doesn’t matter. Your taxes are going to your neighborhood not ours, you don’t have to deal with the negative comments and attitude about Clayton. We don’t need anymore unconstructive opinions, we need residents who actually live here and care enough to work together to create solutions.

Whoa

April 1st, 2010
4:34 pm

From 1990 thru 2005 – Fayette and Henry did not have commissioners selling out to developers to flood our county with low cost – substandard – high density housing. Clayton did. Section 8 followed closely behind. Flood of people from the project in ATL , we got C-Tran to move the folk. Fayette and Henry standard of living did not bottom out – Clayton’s did. Thanks Griswell and Bray.

stating the facts

April 1st, 2010
4:36 pm

ALLABEN kills his wife in Dekalb Co…some freaking way the AJC head to point out a connection to Clayton County…reporting that he turned himself into CC police station. Just one more erroneous piece of crap placed on the CC page courtesy of the AJC

Bryan

April 1st, 2010
5:40 pm

Yeah, Right

Half the stuff you say in an assumption. I never said that MARTA has to be like NYCTA. You for one knows that there is nothing like NYCTA. It’s a great system. You even made my point for me. Transit is for all.. rich, poor, black, or white. The problem that CC has is that only the lower income ride CC. Buses could have been in the southern section but I’m sure there is no support for it because folks are too good for transit out there. I don’t think it is just CC. I feel there should be one transit provider.. MARTA. Works better that way. You should know that’s why MTA covers all the buses and rail in NYC now.

I feel that Cobb and Gwinnett are just as much to blame BUT atleast they provide their residents with a transit option. I even feel areas in ATL are foolish. Look at the areas that blocked rail to Emory for example. I have no reason to attend any of CC meetings but as a transit advocate for the ENTIRE REGION I CAN HAVE A SAY SO! Don’t you understand you are footing the bill for Xpress? I guess since mainly people who have cars and are better off it’s ok to support that system in your county but not for the poor people huh? I’m very glad I don’t live in that county and my family (for whatever reason) chooses to stay there.

Straight No Chaser

You actually made my point and gave the details about it. It’s still the leaders of the county that transformed your county to what it is, whether it’s developers or the commission. That’s before C-Tran and before all the lower income residents. Your residents have the power to control who and what happens in YOUR community and you didn’t. That’s why your county is the way it is. So tell me why I should stay in a county where the people there don’t even do anything to create positive change and growth? Never that.

Just remember the counties decisions and choice still affect the entire metro area. I’m sure there are people that work in Gwinett or Cobb or other counties that live in Clayton. So everything that happens impacts the entire region somehow.

Jim Bob

April 1st, 2010
6:28 pm

How in the world did the state get into the business of providing bus service for people in the Atlanta area? I have a novel plan. Let those who ride the buses pay for them with their fares.

Donald

April 1st, 2010
8:29 pm

To people like Bryan that don’t live in this county but yet want to ram a service like C-Tran down our throats….drop dead! I guess you are trying to impress us with the premise that you are working towards a Masters…Fact is the Atlanta Metro area has one of the highest Graduate degree rates per capita in the U.S….In other words, no big deal…!I got one, my wife got one, my nieghbors got one, all my co-workers, the waitress at the resturant, pretty much everybody ad nauseum….

Let me break it down for you…you ain’t as smart as you think you are, nor or we as dumb as you perceive! Fact remains that Fayette County, Henry County & others that are way better off, don’t have public trans and there are all the better for it.. Take a trip to Peachtree City and then look at Riverdale and tell me who is one the right track.

Public trans…We don’t wan’t it, we don’t need it so don’t patronize us by telling us what is good for us. How dare you tell us how to spend the County’s tax dollars! I guess you would appreciate your neighbor coming to your house and telling you how to spend your hard-earned money

Clayton was a nice family oriented county with good leadership, community minded-people,resources and ample opportunity before the attack of the Section-eight-o-nites, and the rolling out of Sleaze-Tran. While we probably won’t see those days again, at least we can relish the fact that C-Tran has mercifully (to us) been put away. Next item up for bid is legislation to curtail all this Section 8…

BYE BYE!!

April 1st, 2010
8:32 pm

Is it me or did the streets look a little nicer. Yeah there was a few walkers, but once that southern heat hits they wont be walking no more. A CHANGE IS COMING!

Sick Of It All

April 1st, 2010
9:10 pm

Bryan,

I know you feel very passionate about your cause. Unfortunately, your cause is in complete opposition to most Clayton County residents. The only people that I have personally heard in favor of CTran are those that use it.

I suspected you were from an urban area based on your comments. You appear to be suffering from the same superiority complex that you accuse us of. I am so sick of outsiders pulling the backwards, country crap on GA. If it is so God awful here, I really wish all of the unhappy transplants would go back to their wonderful lands of milk & honey. I wouldn’t want anyone to be here and be unhappy. The strange thing is, alot of the complainers didn’t have a pot to piss in before coming here. Now they appear to have a better quality of life in ATL but all we hear is how dumb & backwards GA is. As another poster stated, if you are waiting for GA to be like NYC then you will be waiting a long time. We don’t want to be. I don’t understand why people simply don’t understand that. NYC is a wonderful place but I wouldn’t want to live there. Not knocking it. Just saying it’s not for me.

Also, if you truly understand Clayton as you say then you are well aware that public transportation was VOTED DOWN by the people. A back door deal was done to sneak it in. They assumed once it was here people would want to keep it. WRONG.

I could have easily fled to Henry or Fayette like my neighbors did. I could have fled to North Fulton like relatives. I chose to stay. I still work in my community to try & help make it better. I volunteer. I donate. I mentor. I will not however continue to allow my quality of life to be stripped away. I’m sorry that some of your family members will be suffering. I am not sorry though for not wanting to pay for the illegal CTran operation. As far as who will help the people……what ever happened to family helping family ? If a family member doesn’t feel any responsibility to help their loved one, why should the tax payer ?

I think if more people were truly honest with themselves, they would admit they know exactly what the Clayton residents are saying. Statistically, the projects of Atlanta had more crime per person than the average metro Atlanta burb. Now that criminal element has been unleashed on Clayton County. That’s not what I moved here for. I didn’t move here to subsidize others. I do enough of that on the federal & state level. I hope that those who want a better way of life can achieve it. That’a why I mentor. That’s why I volunteer. That’s why I pray for them. I don’t, however, feel obligated to help them financially with my tax money.

Sick Of It All

April 1st, 2010
9:26 pm

Straight…you’re so right about the water. People used to “tease” me about Clayton. My comeback was always, “at least we have water!” LOL.

Yeah, right…..I get so tired of the negative comments & jokes I have to hear about Clayton. The strange thing is it’s always from some joker that couldn’t afford to move to my area even if they could qualify for section 8. I can’t tell you the number of times I have to hear someone living on the dole try to put down Clayton. I tell them that I wish more of their kind felt that way then Clayton wouldn’t be the way it is now. Man do they get offended.

We need to find a way to get like minded citizens together. Unfortunately, I’m a science geek so community organizing isn’t my forte. Does anyone have any ideas ? I want to save my community. I don’t want to abandoned it. Sadly, if something doesn’t change, I will have to.

retired teacher

April 1st, 2010
11:27 pm

If you need transportation move to another county.