C-Tran riders leaving Clayton?

While many residents lamented the former police chief’s fate over the holidays, our Board of Commissioners were able to quietly fail to act on a resolution extending bus service.

At $1.50 per ride C-Tran is definitely the cheapest, but not the only form of public transportation available in Clayton county. Riders can still carpool, vanpool or ride the Xpress bus. So if you really enjoy living here there are alternatives, albeit more inconvenient and expensive ones. Hopefully affordable options are being explored for handicap and elderly riders after C-Tran’s demise.

I don’t subscribe to the “public transportation causes crime” theory. Those I know who have broken the law never claimed to use the bus or train as a means of escape. But since many riders have publicly stated that C-Tran isn’t worth a fare increase and federal funding is gone, where’s the money supposed to come from? There aren’t many Clayton residents who will agree to a tax increase for any reason, especially to financially support a bus system losing tons of money as is. 

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C-Tran service ends March 31, at which time the county still has to repay $2.1 million back to the federal government. According to the Clayton neighbor, Chairman Eldrin Bell believes operating this bus service contributes to the county’s economic growth and has stated all along that he will work to find a way to keep C-Tran running.

If you ride C-Tran, will you stay in Clayton county and find another way to get from point A to point B, or will you go elsewhere?

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Michael

January 11th, 2010
10:36 am

C-Tran was a bad decision for the county when it was first made.

There appears to be a correlation between the appearance of public transportation in Clayton county and the decline in the standard of living therein. It seems to me that when MARTA was first allowed to come into northern areas those areas began to decline. Then when C-tran was approved and spread into the rest of the county the decline spread with that encroachment.

The Forest Park area was once a thriving area, now, it is struggling. The Southlake Mall area was once a place to go for shopping and entertainment, now the area is filled with empty storefronts. Hwy 19/41 was once lined with thriving businesses, now, it isn’t.

I can’t say for certain that public transportation has led to the decline in our county, but, I am reminded that “If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers, the odds are pretty good that it is a duck”

Before public transportation the populace had to have a certain level of income or wherewithal to afford to live here. That requirement alone helped the entire county to grow and prosper.

JimBob

January 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Anything that reduces the number of transient county residents will improve Clayton county. Those with no ties to the county or the people who live here; except for public transportation and the cheap housing (both brought to you by the old white sell-us-out commissioners Griswald and Bray).

Yeah, okay

January 11th, 2010
1:10 pm

I don’t think any public transportation is what brings crime there are many other factors contribute to a crime ridden area, but who wll pay? if the govt keeps paying fine they’re gonna give that money to somebody but if not than I’m sorry to those who rode it. another tough but good move by the commissioners .

The Duke

January 11th, 2010
2:27 pm

C Tran provided a valuable service to Clayton’s working blue collar community. Not to mention it is better on the environment. Mass transportation is a must in any urban setting. The problem is and has been the lack of leadership by the elected officials. Why is MArta the only major transportation system that receives zero state funding. If the Yahoos under the gold dome realize how much our draconian commute COST the state yearly you think they would be lining up. So here is what Clayton County should do to improve.
1. Offer tax incentives to lure business into the county. Ie. Waive county fees and taxes so that business can hire more workers
2. Consolidate the Sheriff and County police (NO I’M NOT A VICTOR HILL FAN) but it does make sense.
3. 685 should be a toll road
4. implement a dock tax (clayton has a large number of trucking companies. This has yielded revenue in the Ports of oakland and Long Beach)

Then lastly, elect competent leadership who have a vision. term limits might not be a bad idea in Georgia!!

Derek

January 11th, 2010
3:18 pm

To you mis-guided souls out there, who claim (Buses don’t increase crime, because criminals don’t ride buses to get away!). Please take a penology or crime demographics course before saying such things. When buses move into a new area, especially one with cheap housing. Those who could not normally afford both (ie; private transportation and housing), move into the area. Once they have done so, old friends / aquaintances from areas they used to live in, visit and are introduced into a new area, with a place to hang out. That is why you see old “hoopties” with 6 – 8 teens or young adults riding in one car. (again because of the inability to afford or the ability to obtain a vehicle or license). These new arrivals have an element that is involved with criminals, whether opportunistic or gang based. That is why crime goes up, house values go down and the general status of these area decline. Busing (except for community run for elderly / handicapped) never works in a suburban middle to upper class neighborhood. If you notice, none of the successful counties maintain any busing links to MARTA (ie; Coweta, Fayette even Henry), and the schools, tax base and crime is significantly lower. Buses work only in a City / Metro area and almost always lose money. I tell you what, why doesn’t the State buy every person who gets elected to any position a copy of SIM CITY, so they can see what happens when certain programs are enacted……

Derek

January 11th, 2010
3:48 pm

Duke; I see 48% will leave CC will the buses do, please be one of them. Blue collar? What blue collar jobs? White collar is what suppost your tax base. There is not enough income to support the programs you envision, you can’t waive fee’s and taxes without cutting expenditures. If you implement a dock tax; the trucking will go elsewhere! Typical liberal thinking. Why should the state fund MARTA? What just for the city of Atlanta? The city itself, other than a few conventions, generates very little income, and if the airport (90% of which is NOT in Atlanta) were to be divided up or be taken over by the state, Atlanta would go broke. Finally there is no 685 in CC, there is a 675 bypass, which provides an excellent route around most jams on the southside. Hard to take your ideas seriously, until you can find a way to encourage a tax base to return to CC as well as lower crime and better schools and shopping. North Clayton is almost too far gone to turn around within a generation. For those who remember CC used to be a good school district and productive area to live in, there were undlying reasons why the military closed the bases here, they did their homework and quietly decided to move on as others have. You can’t tax your way into a better CC, you have to keep your present tax base and encourage others to return, as well as businesses. I’m not talking about strip malls with barbers, cleaners, wing places and electronics and wheel shop, these are very low tax bases with hidden income. WAKE UP CC

JimBob

January 11th, 2010
5:48 pm

There is no 685

BnB

January 11th, 2010
5:51 pm

Actually – I am more worried about the other 4 commissioners – 1, 2, 3 and chairman.

getyourown

January 11th, 2010
6:49 pm

Something has turned Clayton Co. into a place where few newcomers to Atlanta would choose to live. Why is this? I believe C-Tran is one of many things that have systematically degraded the quality of life in the county to the sad state where it now sits. Let it go and see what happens. Worse comes to worse residents save a few million dollars.

Nikki

January 11th, 2010
7:48 pm

F.Y.I. City of Atlanta and Dekalb County has recently closed down their public housing. The residents were given vouchers and well Clayton County was their destination. It’s very cheap so many people find it to be affordable. Why will they leave? If expenses in other counties are steadily increasing, why not stay in a county where the residents do not want tax increases? P.S. The crimes in my neighborhood were mostly done by people with vehicles. There were several eye witnesses to verify this information.

Seriously

January 11th, 2010
9:13 pm

I agree with the DUKE, U should run for office ..@JimBob.I think he meant 675 so stop splitting hairs.

PLEASE GET RID OF THEE TRAILER PARKS ON TARA BLVD..PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!

Seriously

January 11th, 2010
9:16 pm

The Debouze Antoine has a bunch of baaaaaaaaaad ideas. Afordable housingf in Clayton…you really think we need more affordable housing? You sound out of touch and on some hand out …etend the ghetto type agenda.

CC needs economic development and better schools….If you don’t havea viable plan for those two goals…please don’t run…we’ve had enough trashy leadership.

Seriously

January 11th, 2010
10:04 pm

The citizens of dekalb are protesting the superintendents raise…some clown on here thought it would be a good idea to give Heatley a raise to “remain competitive” He makes six figures…e doesn’t need a raise. We need to climb up the ranks of test scores among metro Atlanta schools before we reward anyone…..I think the teachers , once successful, should get a raise first.

What will it take?

January 11th, 2010
11:05 pm

BnB, were you worried about Bray, Griswold, and the others who made this mess that our commissioners have been saddled with trying to fix. If you want to go there we can.

Nonya

January 12th, 2010
12:15 am

I say good riddance! I agree with Derek. Goodbye CTRAN.

Jaylan Haley

January 12th, 2010
1:55 am

As a member of the U.S. Air Force, I have had the distinct pleasure of living in several places across our great nation; however, I am still a child of Clayton County. Contrary to what several contributors have submitted, the communities in which I have lived and worked, all have available public transportation and still maintained a safe and progressive community [California (Roseville-Sacramento) and Colorado (Denver-Colorado Springs)]. As far a standard of living is concerned, many of the people here in Roseville own BMWs, Mercedes and other exotic cars but they use public transportation to circumvent road expansions and other outcomes of overcrowding.

Clayton County does not need to get rid of it’s public transportation system, it needs to get rid of the corrupt members of its government that have mismanaged the county since I was a high school student there, almost ten years ago. Our leadership from the city level to the county to those in our state government in Atlanta are lacking, in a very profound way. Until men and women, worth their salt, from across our county and state step-up and take-back control of our streets and government, Clayton County and the people of Georgia will continue to suffer.

Believe me, this depression has nothing to do with the failure of C-Tran. The depression has everything to do with revealing the misgivings of those that the people have elected to office. It was simply symptom a much larger issue, lack of good leaders. And if you’re wondering, yes, I will be back to my home state and county in short order to do what I can to make things right. Who knows, maybe one day I’ll ask for your vote.

Jim

January 12th, 2010
2:28 am

What kind of name is DAUBOZE? Muslim? We need a commissioner named Mike or Joe Or Bill or Bob. It’s the DAUBOSE’s of this country that are ruining everything

Jim

January 12th, 2010
6:25 am

Sorry for not acting civilized, my first girlfriend was a cow.

BnB

January 12th, 2010
7:03 am

Actually , I attended BOC meetings and argued against the developments these idiots sold their souls for – sometimes winnig small victories – but to no avail – not enough people did the same. How bout you – ever talk against the old Commishs in meetings? And the fact we had white sell-outs in the past – does not mean we have to expect our black leadership to follow suit and be sell-outs themselves.

Tell The Truth

January 12th, 2010
8:03 am

Jim,
One question for you….How long have you been on the pipe?

Jborodawg

January 12th, 2010
9:05 am

ClayCo was on a downward spiral WAY before C-tran. C-tran has little to do with bringing more crime. Ever heard of a ‘drive-by bus shooting’ or a ‘getaway bus’? Yes, metro ATL needs mass transit; and ClayCo needs mass transit: fewer cars on the road, less polution, less petrol consumption, etc. Cobb is a fairly “successful” county, and they have mass transit. But, to fund said mass transit for a low-ridership system with tax payer money is a dubious enterprise. One problem many of us see with C-tran is far too many empty buses. It tries to be something it isn’t; eg emulate MARTA. If they cut back service during perhaps the 10AM to 3PM time frame, and raise the fair to $2, it might even break even.

What will it take?

January 12th, 2010
11:24 am

BnB,
The Black leadership unlike the previous leadership have eduction, experience in the community and they are not self-serving. The previous leadership left here with millions and made sure their families reaped millions as well. This administration is made up of hard working people, at least 3 are hardworking and they have the whole county’s interest. They are trying to fix the crap they were handed so we can all live well.

What will it take?

January 12th, 2010
11:38 am

Jim,
it is your type of uneducated RACISM (Call A Spade A Spade), that blinds and instills fear in the citizens of this country. To clarify your ignorance, DABOUZE is a French (European) name, not Muslim. And so what if it was Muslim??

TD

January 12th, 2010
12:22 pm

C-Tran has contributed to crime in Clayton County. When I first moved to Riverdale there was no C-Tran and the crime rate was lowered. For those who think there is no connection between they two then you are sadly mistaken. Last year a 14 year old friend of my neice was sitting outside and was shot and killed by a man who did not live in Clayton County, but rode the bus to this area looking for trouble. This would not have happenned if there was no bus system. I for one am glad to see C-Tran leave.

It's Not the Bus

January 12th, 2010
12:50 pm

Removing or keeping the bus system will not do anything to improve or degrade the status in Clayton County. Clayton’s problems are now almost a generation in the making. As Jborodawg mentions, the problems existed long before C-Tran was around. The problems started gestating 20 years ago when lower income housing started cropping up. As Derek alludes to above, this brings lower income individuals to the area and inevitably with that comes a higher propensity for crime.

The county did not help matters with over development of the area. Unfortunately, with lower income housing and empty storefronts from overdevelopment, businesses attracted to the new residents moved – pawn shops, check cashing, and so on. This has fact has been discussed many times on this forum, but it bears reminding that this did occur – county officials chose to go this route for a variety of reasons. Some people are quick to bring race into the mix when pointing to the reasons of what’s wrong in Clayton, which is inaccurate. Reducing socio-economic conditions in any area – regardless of race – will increase crime statistics. It’s the old adage of the more desperate one is, the more desperate things one will attempt.

The county progressed to the point it is today under this system. The bus system was a natural byproduct of this progression. Removing it will not help nor hurt Clayton County’s problems. A generation in the making of where Clayton County is today will not turn with a small percentage of the residents moving out due to the bus system failing.

Bob Hartley

January 12th, 2010
12:54 pm

In a nutshell SMART ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
urban areas far worst than Clayton County have had successful turnarounds and they did it with innovative and sometimes creative economic development ideas. Hire the best thinkers who have a proven track record of turning things around then let the politicians shut up and learn and get out the way. Just my two cents worth.

Clare

January 12th, 2010
2:22 pm

Who wants to pay 8 million dollars for CTRAN?

Clare

January 12th, 2010
2:53 pm

Jalyn Haley your email brought a breath of fresh air. These people actually equate public transportation with poverty. Backwards thinking that’s what it is. Be sure to identify other young natives from Clayton to come back and run for offices too! Right now we will keep fighting til you come home.

James

January 12th, 2010
4:15 pm

What Clayton County (and the whole metro area) needs is LIGHT RAIL. Everyone knows C-TRAN only hurt this county economically. People with good jobs would be willing to move here if we got rid of the buses and implemented a rail system. Why should HOMEOWNERS be taxed to pay for a bus system they will never use?

MorrowMan

January 12th, 2010
4:22 pm

If anyone doesn’t believe the apartments and rental homes breed crime, I suggest he/she take a look at police reports. Section 8′ers are not vested in the county and don’t care about property values or quality of life. What we need IS A BETTER CLASS OF CITIZENS.

Seriously

January 12th, 2010
6:21 pm

The bus system unfortunately needs to go….looking at our border counties in Fayette and Clayton, it makes sense. Why didn’t the people from the projects move to fayetteville or Stockbridge in droves?

The buses were packed, but only in certain areas…Garden Walk…College Park…the ctime hotbeds…..the bus didn’t extend as far as lovejoy and Hampton….the peaceful section of Clayton.

Bob Hartley you missed the ball on this topic.

If East Atlanta, Inman, decatur can turn those areas into classy, mixed use, upwardly mobile communities, then the same can be done here. how about building some homes, parks/greenspace, condos, lofts……get a clue people.

But ost importanly…get a better mix of people here….everybody can’t be rich, but he ratio and income per capita has to change……70% of our population can’t be baby mommas,, thugs, etc.

Seriously

January 12th, 2010
6:23 pm

Any of you heard about the Morrow Annexation? Morrow as the most capable government and those people should be elected to a higher office…..you can see what they are doing with their city.

Jim

January 12th, 2010
6:56 pm

Don’t let the door hit you on the way OUT!

BnB

January 12th, 2010
7:43 pm

i see you did not answer my question – how involved are you with BOC meetings now and in the past? I never said the 3 bad BOC members were enriching themselves the way Grisweld and Bray did for so long. But a sell-out to personal political attacks for more power is still a sell-out.

Not self serving – you are a joke. The hardest working person is not on the BOC , but in the vehicle maintinance dept. But still manages to run the BOC. Care to venture a guess? Since when did he change his name to “whole county” Starr.

Wade Alex Tim

January 12th, 2010
8:38 pm

Prior to the County Commissioners meeting Tuesday, January 12th 2010 Wade Starr was witnessed rousting and intimidating private citizens in their endeavor to distribute literature.

Cohilas ordered Chief Robinson to call other Officers. This citizens was intimidated to the point of the citizen thinking was being detained on the brown benches in the alcove.

Practices of intimidation included using the Clayton County Police in the old technique of “Consensual Conversation” to continue the intimidation. Is CCPD and it’s new regime now Wade Starr Puppets? CCPD Officers (Chief Tim Robinson and Mr. Cohilas)…you are better than this.

Certainly one does not see Wade Starr or any other elected, appointed or hired County Employee enforce the political signs ordinance however he does see it necessary to abridge the rights of citizens when it may be to his disliking?

Clayton County has no ordinance or resolution concerning the Distribution of Material in Public Buildings. There are County and State distribution rules concerning County and State employee’s from distribution of literature but this does not include private citizens NOT employed by government.

There are County and State laws limiting distribution of material that hinder traffic and transportation on public streets.

Mr. Starr needs to be reminded that as a County Employee, the intentional limition of the First Amendment easily sets up Clayton County for a Federal lawsuit. The US Supreme Court is quite clear (Hague v. Committee for Industrial Organization) that this kind of limitation is indeed unconstitutional.

So now, we have Wade Starr in collusion with elements of the CCPD intimidating citizens in their free exercise of speech when that expression was done in a peaceable manner.

Get smart ladies and gentleman. When on foot, you do not have to engage in “Consensual Conversion” with a police officer. If asked your name, say it. You are not required to show identification when you are not operating and motor vehicle. You are not required to answer their question, simply ask if you are free to go. If the answer is no, assume you are under arrest and speak no further. If the answer is yes, depart the area. Consensual Conversation is a technique often used to incriminate yourself and justifying arrest.

Do not be intimidated by thugs. Also know that the police may lie to you to intimidate you talk. It is not against the law for law enforcement to lie to you.

Shannon, M.Div.

January 12th, 2010
9:52 pm

Why stop at getting rid of the buses? It’s time that those lowlifes start contributing to society. I say we bring slavery back and anyone who isn’t making at least $30,000/year gets “indentured” to an *actual* contributing member of society. Then at least homeowners can start getting some return on their investment–someone to mow the lawn and do the laundry. That’s all they’re good for, anyway, right?

Or maybe instead of just getting rid of the buses, we can round up everyone who normally gets on them and kill ‘em.

That’s a little drastic, though. Maybe we should just erect a border around the county and require some kind of “middle class or higher” identification to let ‘em in.

You know, the price of food keeps going up. Maybe the lower socio-economic folks–no, let’s call them what they are–lower *class*… maybe we could “employ” some of them in the creation of Soylent Green, which I understand is a nutritive food source which could be made fairly cheaply…

Mass Transit Man

January 12th, 2010
9:55 pm

Clayton county will have a mass transit system one way or the other! Whether state or federally funded. Georgia has one of the worst traffic congestion in the nation. It an election year and here come the politicians with their transportation fixes! Remeber it’s 2010!

What will it take?

January 13th, 2010
7:10 am

BnB reading your comments it seems as though you have a personal anger towards the only 3 on the BOC who seem to make good but hard decisions for the future of the county. It is going to take years to fix what Bray, Griswold and Company have destroyed. So instead of making negative, sometimes malicious statements about the BOC, examine your own motives for this obsession you have with the BOC asnd Wade Starr.

Jborodawg

January 13th, 2010
7:25 am

Bob Hartley: that “smart development” didn’t happen in ATL because of what politicians did; it was solely from people with money and a sense of concern for their neighborhoods moving in. That happened soley because some people became weary of commuting (time, gas, etc); or because of the usual allure of being in or near the “big city” with its concomitant “amenities” …like theater, arts, etc. It happened, and is happening, in spite of ATL city govt being not a whole lot better than ClayCo’s; ATL being near-bankrupt, etc etc.

Light rail is one component of the needed trans infrastructure upgrades needed for Metro ATL. However, it will NOT in and of itself turn ClayCo around. The X-press buses are one great component; one that seems to work; has good ridership, etc. We’ll see how the new ‘park and ride’ (around Tara and Smith St) works. The ingress/egress looks dubious right now.

TD: you give one example; but you’re still a little off course. Riverdale (and ClayCo) started going “down” years before C-tran. Southway Plaza (Tara and 138) had a Winn Dixie years ago. Publix (across Tara from Southway) closed a couple years before C-Tran. I’ve sometimes been hesitant to agree with a particular blogger who blamed the migration of people from the ATL “projects”…and “pawn shops, massage parlors, trailer parks, nail parlors, check-cashing stores…” et al. It seems ATL lost a LOT of low-income people (white and of color); and they had to go somewhere. Apparently the Jonesboro Housing Authority had way more new vouchers available than they will admit (I was told by them about 3-4 years ago that they weren’t taking any new apps). Stats are difficult to quantity/make sense of; eg Gwinnett seems “successful”, yet has the highest percentage of Hispanics of any metro county.

It could be the small things; like limiting roadside signage size; requiring businesses to keep their grounds landscaped, clean. It does include citizen involvement; citizens demanding excellence in govt and schools. Not necessarily hiring people with vision and innovative ideas. Don’t hold your breath waiting to see politicians in ClayCo “…shut up and learn and get out the way…” Who does the hiring; hiring for what position?

Jimmy (Conservative Brother)

January 13th, 2010
9:15 am

Michael, I second everything you’ve said. It is clear what has happened if you have lived here for any length of time. The combination of C-Tran and the closing housing projects in the City of Atlanta has led to a decline in the quality of life in this county and the two are most definitely related. If anyone remembers back to the time of the Olympics in Atlanta, most of the apartments on what was then Morrow Ind. Blvd had been closed and boarded up. They began to close several of the housing projects in Atlanta and Tax dollars were given to the owners of those apartments on Morrow Industrial Blvd. The apartments were renovated and the first batch of former project dwellers moved to the area.
Crime immediately went up in that area (violent crime). There was a time when police officers were advised not to go in those apartments without at least two units. Crime centered around that area and as Michael said at the time the other high crime areas were the areas where Marta touched the county. Riverdale Rd. and Forest Pkwy. both had Marta Routes and they were the first to become blighted. Forest Pkwy lost stores like “Zare” “Richway” and “Belks” and replaced it with flea markets and pawn shops. With C-Tran the same has started to happen on Tara Blvd.
C-Tran and other forms of mass transit allows the criminal minded to become mobile. There have been instances where kids have taken C-Tran to connect with Marta and go into Atlanta where they would commit crimes like car theft. They bring the stolen car back to Clayton County where they use that car to commit burglaries and other violent crimes. If you know a police officer ask them and they will confirm it.

Jimmy (Conservative Brother)

January 13th, 2010
9:28 am

BnB, you are on the right track. I say replace all of the board of Commissioners now. New leadership, as your name suggest we should be about just that. The leadership of this board changed in names only during the last two elections. It is the same political machine behind the scenes that has run this County since the beginning. We should not only vote out the ones in office but we should be careful not to vote for anyone they might endorse.
We need to be careful about the backing of these politicians and where they get their funding. It will do us no good if we simply replace what we have now with essentially the same thing.

CCC

January 13th, 2010
10:22 am

This is just my opinion. CTran has not been productive for a couple of reasons. 1) The service was way too limited to be productive. 2) There were no long range plans to support the service after the Federal dollars which meant it should not have been operative in the first place. I mean who gets on a plane knowing a pilot has not been trained beyond take off.

With voter turnout what it is in Clayton County, there really are not a lot of citizens who can complain about the services that are or are not received.

If the citizens don’t step up and DEMAND better leadership, we are only at the tip of the iceberg as to what this county is going to become. Clayton County is positioned in the metro area to be the boomingest (I think I just made a word up) County in the metro area. We will not be what we are capable of without GREAT economic visionary leadership. This County needs a master plan. That would be the first course in eliminating asinine decisions, like “hey lets have bus service”.

ND

January 13th, 2010
10:24 am

London, New York, and Paris are much wealthier and safer than anywhere in metro Atlanta, and all have public transportation facilities so excellent that many wealthy people there don’t even buy cars. And for the racists out there, all three have large and visible non-white populations. Pull your heads out of your a$$es.

TD; You Lie

January 13th, 2010
10:26 am

You lie! How do you know that person rode the bus to riverdale; you don’t, you lie! I know he didn’t!

BnB

January 13th, 2010
10:44 am

You should educate yourself and read the entry in this blog by “Wade Alex Tim”. Looks like Mr. Starr read the book on the brown shirts from 1940s Germany. Clayton citizens – make it known that we will not put up with this sort of illegal and malicious use of our police dept – could have told you that was coming, when you get rid of a true public servant and replace with Wade’s puppets. By the way – the 3 do not have a problem making decisions – because the decisions are being made for them – they are just doing what they are told by you know who.

No Fearmongers Allowed

January 13th, 2010
11:00 am

Jimmy (Conservative Brother), Jborodawg, DoubleAction, Shannon, M.Div., and Seriously! All you guys are “Doomsday Fearmongering Fools”! You can’t turn back the hands of time! This problem started with the Olympics and greedy Clayton and Fulton politicians. It will take an economical full recovery and 10 years to fix this problem. Halting the bus “WON”T WORK”! James, you’r right –light rail is the only fix!

Seriously

January 13th, 2010
11:23 am

True Story: I went to a debate where Eldrin was speaking…..He wa asked about the massage parlors that use to line Tara Blvd….the audience member said Victo Hill, as bad as he may have been at other things played a vital role in shutting down all of those parlors.

Eldrin said he thinks everyone has a right to own a business and if you don’t like massage parlors done go to them. WHAT AN IDIOT.

Even if nobody from CC went to those parlors….The truck drivers, the perverts from other counties would be more than enough business for them. Eldrin wasn’t concerned with the image of having 13 massage parlors on the same street…or the fact that they are houses of prostitution (evident by the raid footage that shows the condoms they offer when you enter the establishment)…not to mention the human trafficking that goes on there.

If Eldrin had it his way…tere would be 13 more massage parlor…13 more check cashing and title loans, etc. Thats my biggest gripe with Bell…He has no vision or community awareness.

Party Line Fighting

January 13th, 2010
11:25 am

Thinking and Talking about a “Dysfunctional Government”! Sonny and the Republicians are in “General Assembly”! Last year they talked about ceceding from the union; the USA! Now, they’re talking about curcumventing the “National HealthCare Reform”; in other words, “Constant Bickering” and well known documented unethical practices! You guys are ignorant! You let this government take your accreditation for less than the same. Clayton County & Georgia; are “Dysfunctional Governments”!

City of Morrow

January 13th, 2010
11:27 am

If you want good leadership..elect people from te city of Morrow..they are forward thinking and have their city off to an excellent start

About CC

January 13th, 2010
11:33 am

Why is Wade Star so powerful…..does he have a lot of money…why do people listen to him….who is his boss?

What will it take?

January 13th, 2010
11:33 am

Some people do not get their education from blogs BnB. All that stuff you just said makes no common sense what so ever. What is your real problem with this commission and Wade Starr? What decisions are you talking about–the police chief? Is that what has a bee up your butt?

About CC

January 13th, 2010
11:34 am

Whats to say that the light rail wont turn into the Donald Lee Hollowell stop on Marta? Why wont the thugs trash the station piss in the rail carts?

Solutions

January 13th, 2010
11:40 am

You want the thugs out…make it too costly for them. The reason they flock to certain areas id because things are cheap..Marts is and Ctran cost a dollar and change to ride…Xpress costs $3…thats a lot for a riff raff. Cheap housing etc.

Cobb has public transportation, but Cobb as sections that are affluent and they keep the rif rafs in a specific section Franklin RD etc. Clayton needs to expand its middle class….you have lake Spivey and you have Garden Walk and College park…you need an in betwenn

you have million dollar homes and $ 50,000 homes…..Where are the $250,000 and the $300,000 homes? Expand the middle class and reduce the lower class.

Solutions

January 13th, 2010
11:42 am

Morrow is the way to go…Old TownMorrow…Southlake Pavillion..Clayton State..they are developing and moving forward……get those people in office!!!!!!!!!!!

Hindsight 20/20

January 13th, 2010
11:47 am

You lost accreditation over bickering and so-called dysfunctionality! Look at your government at the State and National level! No 100% agreement at any level! “What a difference a year makes! Bickering and Dysfunctionality at the State and National level; who would have thunk it! I know have Sonny take them out of office!

Flawed Solutions

January 13th, 2010
11:55 am

Solutions! Are you serious? Old TownMorrow…Southlake Pavillion is only a larger scale “Strip Mall” man, what forward thinking and innovation! Now mostly unoccuppy!

Clayton Resident

January 13th, 2010
11:56 am

I’m glad they’re getting rid of the bus service. If it helps to improve that area, which is the first thing most see when coming into Clayton then hopefully it will help our image & be the start of better things to come for this county. And I agree with Solutions. The only reason lowlifes are here (not poor, but lowlifes) is because Clayton is affordable. We need to price the lowlifes out it’s the only way.

bigdogears

January 13th, 2010
1:49 pm

You’ll never expand the middle class in ClayCo until the schools show not just signs of improvement, they have got to shine. Local TV news reports have got to say “In Clayton County today all the kids got a great education and the parents are very happy”. That won’t happen soon enough for me. I think we should get rid of C-Tran and put the money into our schools. When I say schools I’m talking about the 3 R’s not dance, football and basketball.

Education Woes

January 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

bigdogears, I agree with you wholeheartedly about spending money on the “Kids Education”! However,we both know the school system spend the largest amount of money on the people in the administation building!

MJ

January 13th, 2010
3:58 pm

To all those ignorant people such as Derek, DoubleAction and Michael who think that public transportation in the county brought crime and reduced the quality of living, I feel sorry for you and the ignorance you withhold.
What makes you think that everyone who rides a bus is a criminal.
For your information I am thankful for public transit, because it was able to transport me to college, when I freshmen and couldn’t afford a car yet.
I lived in Hillsborough County, in Tampa Fla., and public transportation has never been an issue there.
To signal out people and say that is insulting. When did diversity among a community become an issue??
Right now I am praying for those people who depended on transportation to get to work, and keep the income flowing in this county.
What makes you think crime will decrease, because C-Tran will stop its services. It will actually INCREASE because people will most likely be fired from their jobs, if they cannot find another source of transportation, and look for other alternatives to feed their families.
Stop being greedy and ignorant and think of the people who need the transportation to earn a decent living. Public transportation got me through my first year of college and now I am a professional, what do you think about that?!!

Mac Dre

January 13th, 2010
6:28 pm

This is a crime that the Jail has no hot food! Who is responsible for this? This is inhumane treatment towards people who have not been convicted of anything yet.

Justsaying

January 13th, 2010
8:29 pm

Clayton resident…..I sooo agree with you. We are attracting lowlifes. The county inherited a lot of them from the previous commissioners who made all they could off unsuspecting clayton residents and now our present leaders have the unpleasant task of trying to get rid of them. I do not believe there is another county who pays for more free lunches than this county because of this attraction. C-Tran was not brought in by this administration. Some of us long-time residents remember the reign of the good old boys plus Virginia. Check it out you have to play the hand you’re dealt.

What will it take….I think you’re right in your comments about BnB. There’s some serious hating going on for the commisioners, Cohilas and Starr. Everybody has a right to his or her opinion, but does it have to be the same opinion, no matter the subject matter? It appears that it’s all about trashing people rather speaking about the subject in this case “C-Tran”. I can’t wait to see C-Tran gone.

If you are a leader and you are breaking the law, you should be removed. If somebody doesn’t like the way you lead, then they should consider leading themselves. BnB sounds like somebody hurt your feelings………..You need a hug?

JimBob

January 13th, 2010
9:24 pm

I am not worried about not getting hot food at the jail. I do not plan on doing anything that might put me there in the first place. Problem solved.

Che's Revenge

January 13th, 2010
10:11 pm

Why is our Interim Police Chief, Fire Chief, and Transportation Director bullying 18 year girls at BOC meetings?

PUNKS!

God of the Recompense

January 13th, 2010
10:15 pm

ATTENTION VOTERS:

This is an election year. Please vote out the 2 Coimmish’s running for re-election and every other incumbant. It’s time for change!

Clayton County is swifty becoming Nazi Germany……

Future Shock

January 13th, 2010
10:33 pm

Poor little Clayton county minority! If only they knew intolerance breeds hatred! They’ll lie and say mass transit breeds crime increase knowing all the time that poverty, hatred and oppression breeds crime. This problem started centuries ago bred in again; poverty, hatred and oppression. Now reap what you’ve sewn!

Solutions

January 13th, 2010
10:45 pm

If you think that Carabas, LA Fitness, AMC and TGIF are strip malls..I’ll take that any day over the pawn shop, Tittle Max and Ceck cashing businesses that are all over Tara.

I don’t expect CC to be Beverly Hills or East Cobb…but decent sit down restaurants, family entertainment, land scaped lots, are good enough for me.

If the rest of CC had half the sense of Morrow it wouldn’t be the embarassment that it is now.

Solutions

January 13th, 2010
10:47 pm

I don’t know Alex Cohlias…but if he opposes Eldrin Bell he can’t be all bad. i don’t care if he is a republican….thats not a bad thing….Encouraging commerce as opposed to handouts is Good thing

Solutions

January 13th, 2010
10:54 pm

How did those morons let accreditation get taken…I mean you had ample warning. I would ahve done EVERYTHING in my power to stop it. Think of the affect on home values and the stigma? Trut be told…Atlanta and Dekalb have worst schools that CC..but the negative connotation that comes with “non accredited” makes it seem like we are worst. Dekalb has a few good schools like Chamblee High and the Dekalb school of the arts that off set the lesser schools like McNair or Cedar Grove. Clayton needs a diamond to shine amidst the lesser schools.

Why didn’t Eldrin take the guy from SACS to the Pink Pony and get him a few lap dances…He is good friends with the owner. You should have NEVER allowed that to happen.

Were do the Lake Spivey kids go..they all attend private school or something?

Justsaying

January 13th, 2010
11:17 pm

Clayton resident….I agree we don’t attract the best people. I believe we must hand out more free school lunches than any other county. This along with C-Tran was leftover from the previous administration. Some of us longtime residents still remember the good old boys plus Virginia. Well this group took all they could from unsuspecting residents and now they are living large. I believe at least one of those commissioners owns trailer parks and is stll profiting off low income people. The previous chairman retired away from the county and doesn’t care what’s going on now. It’s really a shame how they developed the community and now they’re out. Our new commissioners now have the task of trying to do what is best for the county. I think to be attacked personally is unfair to them. If you disagree with the leadership, then confront them and let them know what your issues are. If you feel you can do a better job, then campaign and leave it up to the voters, which is not that big a percentage anyway. Clayton county’s majority do not vote and this is a documented fact.I think you will find leading is not such an easy task.

What will it take…..I agree with you about BnB. This person has a deep hate for the commissioners, Cohilas and Starr. Sounds to me BnB you should go to these people and sit down with them for a talk. Your feelings must have gotten stepped on. Sometimes your views are kind of murky, but your hatred comes through loud and clear. Think BnB is short for baffled and badgered….need a hug?

say what?

January 14th, 2010
7:58 am

Glad to see it go. Hopefully we can make clayton county less affordable for those who have no idea what community is, and have no understanding of the value of education and hardwork.

formerresident

January 14th, 2010
9:14 am

Morrow may be a good place to visit, but the police are speed Nazis. Why don’t they work on crime at the mall? The fines are the highest I have ever seen. I wonder how much of their income is from traffic enforcement? There are rules for that in GA.

BnB

January 14th, 2010
9:30 am

to just saying — I am sorry if my comments actually require you to think a bit – did the brown shirt from Germany comments throw you. Go learn some history. Since you will not answer questions maybe someone can enlighten you. And I guess it is OK with you that the BOC did not go by its own rules to work on personnel matters as it should and instead do it in a public forum. If these cowards had the best for the county at heart – why did they not confront these supposed issues as they came up and not hold them and use them in a public ambush and character-lynching of a good man.

to MJ – since when has 80% majority electorate and elected officials ever been considered diverse.

to What and Just – I have watched Clayton for over 25 years and the bosses that run Clayton county – be they Bray and Griswell – or Lee Scott or Wade Starr – nothing has changed except skin color. Also my problem with the 3 stooges is not personal – I just cannot stand incompetance and that that they do not listen to their constiuents, just their own thirsts for control.

to Revenge – our Interim Police Chief, Fire Chief, and Transportation Director are bullying 18 year girls at BOC meetings – because they can. These people are not better that Lee Scott, when he would bully public servants and the citizens of this county – threatening them with the fact that he had a badge and a gun and that he could command his DA wife or Little Vic to arrest you.

Tara Blvd

January 14th, 2010
10:23 am

KIMBERLY…PLEASE START A BLOG ABOUT TARA BLVD AND HOW TRASHY IT LOOKS. Its the first thing you see as you enter the county……a trashy Chuck E.Cheese that would NEVER take my kids too…i go to the one in Fayette……a garbage flea market…a trailer park and unkept property.

In 8 years what has the BOC done to change this image? Why doesn’t Fayetteville look like this…why doesn’t Stockbridge? Seriously why ?

Tara Blvd

January 14th, 2010
10:27 am

Landscape and plant some trees. would that be so hard…….I might vote for Lee Scott at this rate. he at least mentioned it on his page….Eldrin and The BOC have not done enough.

CLEAN UP TARA BLVD
CLEAN UP TARA BLVD
CLEAN UP TARA BLVD
CLEAN UP TARA BLVD!

Heard through the grapevine

January 14th, 2010
10:31 am

Kembrough might be out next election..There is a HUGE scandal brewing….secret recordings, sex etc..Really nasty.

I heard Victor may run again…he might win…He has 49% of the county vote..it took a conmcerted effort from all of the other candidates to unseat him. The county like him.

Kembrough is better in terms of media a professionalism…….but Victor had criminals scared….he was a cowboy of sorts.

SA

January 14th, 2010
11:40 am

Heard it through the grapevine,

Hahaha. From car salesman to Sheriff. Good one. You mean Victor Hill DID have 49% of the vote. He doesn’t now and would be lucky to have anything above 15%. His window has closed for him in this county. Victor was a cancer and he had nobody scared. Criminals knew with Victor he wouldn’t be serving warrants any time soon so Clayton County was their favorite hiding place.

Justsaying

January 14th, 2010
12:13 pm

Bnb if I want a history lesson I will get it from a qualified professional which clearly you are not. I appreciate your wanting to help me but history is not why your comments are murky to me. I don’t have a problem with your right to speak. We can agree to disagree, that’s fine. Is there anybody you like besides Turner? Are you mad at the BOC for ruining your lovefest with him? So far things seem to be going smoothly since Turner was removed. The man still has a job and we don’t have all the facts out yet. You have more to say about it than he does. Why is that? If you want to be a leader step out and offer solutions. Commissioners are there because they campaigned and were elected. If you don’t want somebody elected don’t vote for them. Maybe you can be a commissioner if you take it to the voters. You call people cowards but right now you appear to be more of a coward than the people you are attacking personally. If anybody knows baffled and badgered please give him a hug.

Lilith

January 14th, 2010
1:07 pm

So long Clayton County! My job is transefering me to Denver!!! Thank you Jesus!! There is a God! Glory!!

huh?

January 14th, 2010
2:12 pm

Hopefuly Victor Hills supporters will leave right along with the Ctran buses.

tara blvd

January 14th, 2010
2:20 pm

CLEAN UP TARA BLVD

CLEAN UP TARA BLVD
CLEAN UP TARA BLVD

I know people from the BOC read this blog…clean the sh@#$ up!!! Does it please you to see it……do you even drive past it? In addition to redevelopment There are a million people in CC with landscaping businesses…why not bid for a contract for each section of Tara Blvd….it would be very affordable and it would give people work while restoring the counties image….That loser Salam who is a state rep and runs unopposed has a say in it also……..contact her..call her out…you dimwits…do something….It literally sickens me to drive past it.

tara blvd

January 14th, 2010
2:22 pm

That Value City has to be going out of business…They have damn near NO inventory…how do they stay open? They occupy such a huge plaza that would be better served with a better store….there are pot holes in the parking lot…..what the HELL is wrong with you all….does no one see this?

what i like

January 14th, 2010
2:25 pm

I like that section where Sharps Restaraunt, Office Depot and Zaxby’s is located…..I’m waiting for that new development to spread. 138 to Upper Riverdale needs a huge face lift.

Maybe in 2030 right…..lets talk about the never going to happen Aerotropilis instead of doing something practical….way to go BOC.

Victor Hill

January 14th, 2010
2:31 pm

Victor didn’t serve warrants…..but he locked down 13 massage parlors……I can see the difference. 6 years ago, you could go to several massage parlors and get a happy ending….and maybe purchase a human for servitude. Do not take that away from the guy…He was arrogant, extreme…but he got stuff done. He didn’t kiss BOC butt either.

I spoke with guys who operate on the other side of the law and they said b4 Victor Hill they sold drugs at random…since Hill..their operations shut down.

I disagree with the snipers on the roof etc…..but maybe he’s learned his lesson this go around.

If he was so bad…why did 49 % of the county vote for him…obviously they agreed with what he stood for.

C-Tran

January 14th, 2010
2:34 pm

Maybe some people in need of work can pool money, buy a van and start a vanpool to the airport and other destinations….just hope the rif rafs don’t rob you.

Morrow!!!

January 14th, 2010
2:37 pm

Hopefully their city planner of someoe from their administration will run for office and win. They are setting a great example with development and diversity

huh?

January 14th, 2010
2:39 pm

Enter your comments here

Eldrin Bell

January 14th, 2010
2:41 pm

I believe Eldrin is 90yrs old. Why is he in politics…..you should have a fat retirement check from APD…Please quit and allow CC to move forward.

I tell people I live in Henry Co because I’m embarrassed to say CC. The negative press has taken its toll.

huh?

January 14th, 2010
2:44 pm

Yes Victor did close massage parlors and that was a good thing for the county, but what else did he accomplish during his term? Besides accumulating lawsuits, that is. How long is he gonna ride the “I closed the massage parlors” gravy train?

Victor has cost this county a whole lot more than he gave back, not just in money but in image. We literally can’t afford to reelect him!

Again, I really hope and pray that (the majority of) Victor Hill supporters will leave this county along with the Ctran buses prior to but no later than March 31, 2010.

Clayton if you reelect Hill then you deserve the fresh hell you’ve got coming.

A prison

January 14th, 2010
2:46 pm

The tragedy in all this is that people can’t leave….Who will buy your home in CC…why…because of the great schools….or the robust development plans? Or how clean it is?

Its a prison!!!!!!!! The county isn’t as bad as portrayed…but perception is reality. The southern end of Clayton is really nice…but instead of the a$$hats doing some PR work to showcase it…they sit around and do nothing,

SA

January 14th, 2010
3:03 pm

DA: “You are giving the people in this county a little too much they deserve. Victor Hill lost to Kem KeMBROUGH less than 2%; That means there are still a lot Victor Hill supporters out there.Only about 11 % percent of the registered voters showed up to vote, in that election.”

That also means that there are alot of voters who would not vote for him. You can’t assume that the 89% of people who did not turn out to vote are Victor Hill supporters. You can only assume that they don’t care enough to vote or get involved. One thing is for certain. They care more about electing a black national leader than they do about their own community. And therin lies the problem with Clayton County.

JimBob

January 14th, 2010
3:05 pm

So Victor Hill let 20,000 warrants go – that is 20,000 criminals. For what – so he can shut down some “tension relief centers” and put a few dozen ladies out of a job. Yea – big crime shut down. It was while Victor was in the job, shining his gold rimmed hat, that I found plastic Crack bags along the county road near my neighborhood. Real effective law enforcement.

Victor did not get along with BOC because he hated Eldrin. Remember he was once Eldrin’s chauffeur.

And Victor got 49% of less than 15% of the registered votes in Clayton. Wow – now there is a mandate

Victor Hill

January 14th, 2010
3:12 pm

What has Eldrin Bell accomplished in 8 yrs? Sure Victor had law suits..he was a renegade…but at least he was doing something. I dare anyone to tell me what Eldrin as accomplished since taking office

Victor Hill

January 14th, 2010
3:17 pm

Lawsuits are a given in this county…Tirner threatened to sue..thats how he move up…he couldn’t pass a seargents test. Eldrin Bell sued the commisoners for usurping his power…….Turner would have sued if he didn’t get a cushy job with the same salary….The minute someone is done wrong they sue…thats local governement for you.

Gilardi sued Forest Park for their new ordinances…..the slave owners..I meant massage parlor owners were gonna sue CC for shutting them down..until Bell intervened (funny the type of friends he keeps)……expect a law suit agains Kimbrough soon. Thats what happens around here

huh?

January 14th, 2010
4:18 pm

Enter your comments her

Lovejoy

January 14th, 2010
4:25 pm

Dekalb..South Fulton and even Gwinnett are as bad as Clayton…the thing is they have balance. You have the lovelu Dulut area…and grimey Norcross…you have Druid hills and Candler Rd….Good schools and bad schools.

Clayton needs a better balance….Give us a top ranked school and programs…some better housing other than Lake Spivey …single family…condo…lofts…luxury town homes….cleaner streets. This isn’t hard it just takes someone who gives a rats azz.

Lovejoy

January 14th, 2010
4:32 pm

the 89% of the people that didn’t vote are the norm…they will never vote so don’t consider them. Thats how te BOE and some BOC got elected…because they know that they only need a small number of secure votes to win…..an membership at a mega church can almost guarantee you a victory

@Jim Bob The massage parlors lined the Tara Blvd…it was an image thing more than anything…why so much in such a close proximity..were they trying to recreate Metropolitan.Stewart Ave ?

The warrants were a shortfall..but there were 10,000 when he got there…he did as good as anyone before him.

The crack vile you found probably came from the parlor….you van by sex, drugs and an indentured servant..one stop shop.

If race was the issue

January 14th, 2010
4:35 pm

Name me ONE white person that ran for a commissioners seat last election? There wasn’t one on the ballot so to say that CC wanted a black leader is DUMB…they only had black leaders to choose from. FYI Tracy Lawson ran for the DA position and DESTROYED her opponent….so obviously race isn’t a factor to the extent you claim.

huh?

January 14th, 2010
4:36 pm

“Lawsuits are a given in this county…Tirner threatened to sue..thats how he move up…he couldn’t pass a seargents test. Eldrin Bell sued the commisoners for usurping his power…….Turner would have sued if he didn’t get a cushy job with the same salary….The minute someone is done wrong they sue…thats local governement for you.”

It’s a sad commentary when we come to expect and accept lawsuits not only from elected officials, but those appointed to office. This does NOT happen in other counties with any kind of regularity so why should we accept and expect it to happen here?

It does NOT have to be this way and we should not be so passe and accepting about lawsuits.

Victor Hill and Jewel Scott’s only claim to fame (using term loosely) are closing those massage parlors. I can’t name anything in particular Eldrin did, you’re right, but the costs for Eldrin’s suit against the BOC were free in comparison to Hill’s lawsuits which my great grandchildren will still be paying off (although hopefully they won’t live in Clayton!) We all know Eldrin was elected because he was the lessor of two evils, not because anybody likes him or the job he’s doing or has done.

You can’t seriously compare Eldrin to Victor Hill, but nice try to throw the stink off Victor. He either pays you well or you are Victor.

Til they do it

January 14th, 2010
4:37 pm

CLEANUP TARA BLVD
CLEAN UP TARA BLVD
CLEAN UP TARA BLVD

Are you listening Edmonson…Ralph…Debouze Antoine……you want a platform..there you go…

Vic

January 14th, 2010
4:46 pm

Victor was not a renagade -just a first class jerk. He fancied himself as a player and chased anything with a skirt on. And if he was so sure of himself and his position, why did he feel the need for a bodyguard – a 6ft 6in deputy with him at all times. Do not forget his close ties to Daddy Lee Scott. And how Daddy Scott dropped him like a hot potato when he was kicked out of office.
Many lawsuits are frivolous and meaningless – but especially in Victor’s cases the state and federal entities were in concurrance with the judgements rendered. Thereby costing those of us who do pay taxes – a huge bill of millions, he paid nothing, only his job.
Good riddance – hope he sells a ton of cars. Hey Vic – can you get me a deal?

Heard through the grapevine

January 14th, 2010
9:17 pm

if DC will forgive Marion Barry for smoking crack on camera vic might get a 2nd run

i like to watch

January 15th, 2010
10:11 am

man you forgot the plutocrats!!!

senior citizen

January 15th, 2010
10:22 am

The comparison of Decatur to Clayton County is amusing. Decatur had and has the right mix of people (from government, industry and the citizenry to come together for the common good and turned downtown Decatur from a retail community to a corporate community and then gradually back into a good mix of corporate with an influx of restaurants. Clayton is too full of self-serving, greedy, racially divisive people to ever be able to “come together” for the common good as Decatur did. Decatur saw Marta coming and planned and planned right and now enjoys the fruits of its labor. The old cliche to “change your heart and your mind will follow” could and should have application in Clayton County. Until a lot of hearts are changed any kind of Clayton progress is doomed !!!!!!!!!

Clayton OldSchooler

January 15th, 2010
10:27 am

I would like to point out that Wade Starr was Crandall Bray’s right hand man in the last years that Bray was Chairman. So he learned cronyism and other assorted forms of corruption from the best.

stanthefireman

January 15th, 2010
12:10 pm

I asked the Preaching Lady on Hwy 85/ Bethsaida Rd to prey for Clayton County & BOC :)

Tman

January 15th, 2010
1:35 pm

Clayco. is the example when voting along racial lines doesn’t work. Not only that when the Olympics came, a large majority of the poor from inner city Atlanta moved to Clayco. when their neighborhood was torn down. These are people who do noty get involved with the political process whcih shapes the county. No involvement from those who want to sit back and yell it’s the commissionor it’s the Sherriff it’s whitey. Blah Blah Blah Blame game Clayco.

bigdogears

January 15th, 2010
1:49 pm

One of the problems with ClayCo is that it lacks diversity. Over 95% of the public school students are other than white. Every community needs balance. How much more screwed up would our country be if we had only the Republican Party or only the Democrat Party? For the system to function properly you’ve got to have someone with an opposing point of view! ClayCo hasn’t had balance for awhile and, in my opinion, it has suffered.

Bryan

January 15th, 2010
2:31 pm

Let me start off with there are a lot of dumb, ignorant, and racist folks on these blogs about transit. C-Tran should be saved or MARTA should be brought in. I have never seen so many dumb comments about buses bringing crime in my life. There are just too many world class cities that have transit as their backbone (i.e. NYC, Chicago, Paris, London, Tokyo) and cities still building transit (i.e. Dubai, Shanghai)for all this non sense. For anyone to think that it’s a good idea to use transit to steal ESPECIALLY in this area where buses are running slow as hell (every 30 minutes is slow) is crazy and are just asking to be caught. This is just flat out racism because not every… heck barely no one who rides transit is out to commit a crime. Everyone who rides isn’t poor. My uncle is a lawyer in Philadelphia and makes close too $100K a year and has a nice car and home but takes the PATCO train into downtown Philly and a SEPTA bus to his office Monday thru Friday. It is convienent and better than sitting in traffic.

We don’t have to talk about ATL traffic. We know it’s bad. Transit is just an option. Some have to take it some take it for convienience. Trust those same people you are talking about… the “thugs” and the “baby mommas” aren’t going anywhere. ATL is and will be an area where the car comes first. All this “hoopties” that everyone talks about are cheap. All you are going to have now it the same people causing trouble still riding around and all the people who were atleast trying to work stuck in the county job-less. Now the same dumb asses that said get rid of the transit are now going to have to help pay the unemployment that these people are going to get and now can’t get off of because they don’t have transit. If they can afford a car it is going to be some crappy car and now not only do you have more cars on the road but now you have old beat up cars polluting and just looking terrible on the roads.

Clayton is not all that. The reason people move there is because it is cheap. This is before C-Tran. You don’t see the people leaving the projects with vouchers moving to Buckhead. They go where it is cheap. Clayton complains but it’s the people of that county that voted (or because they didn’t vote allowed) the people that approved all this low income homes built in the 1st place. Nice areas don’t have rented homes but CC sure seems to have a lot. That isn’t poor people just moving in it’s because the people in the area let it get like that. Yeah there are some nice areas in CC just like everywhere but don’t think that C-Tran brought the area down. That has been in the making for years now and CC residents allowed that to happen; the same ones that keep talking about the “good ol’ days” and have been there for ever.

Look at the town of Cary, North Carolina. They started their own bus system, ironically enough also called C-Tran and they have nothing but middle and upper class areas. It’s not the bus system, it’s about the people of that area letting the area get down the way it has. Don’t complain when poor folks move in because it is affordable. CC residents let it get like that and it will continue to be like that because the ones with cars aren’t going no where and now that C-Tran has stopped the ones that were working and trying to be productive are stuck in the county with no where to go…. REAL SMART!

bigdogears

January 15th, 2010
5:42 pm

It is ridiculous to assume that one is racist if he is in favor of being fiscally responsible. We’ve got X amount of revenue in the county budget and X amount of expenses. You can’t expect the residents of ClayCo. that don’t use the bus service to be in favor subsidizing C-Tran. We’re losing millions of dollars each year providing this service and frankly, as a homeowner, I can’t afford it any more.

Heard through the grapevine

January 15th, 2010
10:54 pm

Lets throw eggs at Eldrins House…

Shameless

January 16th, 2010
12:53 am

I’d be ashamed if I’d let pink pluocrats telll me how to govern! Shameless Clayton county government! You deserve what you get!

JIM

January 16th, 2010
12:14 pm

Thats a same…..the BOC run unopposed…whoever puts these pamphlets together should run. You can broadcast teh bad press to the AJC and other newspapers who have a hard on for corruption in Clayton…Lets do this. Lets get these do nothing, no progress, make CC a ghetto dump politicians out of here for good.

Amazing amazing

January 16th, 2010
1:24 pm

Probably the single most amazing thing about the Bell, Starr, Cohilas, and Turner story is that no one has managed to blame John Trotter for it.

jules

January 16th, 2010
3:35 pm

I am going to leave Clayton County and all of it’s crime, grime, and political corruption ! Fulton and Dekalb counties are much better organized and progressive to commuter lifestyles !

What will it take?

January 16th, 2010
5:21 pm

I read the paper being passed out. It was a cheap gutter attempt to discredit members of the Clayton County government officials. We have seen this tactic before against black officials in Clayton. These elected and appointed officials are being maligned. The persons waging this personal vendetta are very unsophisticated and obviously do not understand that the majority of citizens really do support the actions of the Commission in this case.

We Alreay Know

January 16th, 2010
5:30 pm

We already know about your plots to destroy this county, through your propaganda. We don’t need your kind in this county.

What will it take?

January 16th, 2010
5:38 pm

It is disgusting that anyone would dare to compare Wade Starr with that Trotter person. Word up blogger, it will not work this time. Mr. Starr was born and raised in this racist county. Don’t take my word for check out the history of Clayton County yourself. Wade Starr knows the players and where the bodies are buried so to speak. That is why there are those who want him shut down. This commission is fortunate to have him on staff. The citizens of this county of all races will see change in the quality of life. We must realize it will take time and patience to turn Clayton into the kind of place that is good for everyone. don’t let the evil people divide us black against white and black against black. Let’s be smarter than a 5th grader.

JIM

January 16th, 2010
7:46 pm

I really want to believe that Wade and Cohlias will move the county forward…but I need proof…something tangeable.

The Rumor Chasers

January 16th, 2010
8:23 pm

The Rumor Chasers have gone back into hiding once again. Good job everyone !!!