C-Tran riders leaving Clayton?

While many residents lamented the former police chief’s fate over the holidays, our Board of Commissioners were able to quietly fail to act on a resolution extending bus service.

At $1.50 per ride C-Tran is definitely the cheapest, but not the only form of public transportation available in Clayton county. Riders can still carpool, vanpool or ride the Xpress bus. So if you really enjoy living here there are alternatives, albeit more inconvenient and expensive ones. Hopefully affordable options are being explored for handicap and elderly riders after C-Tran’s demise.

I don’t subscribe to the “public transportation causes crime” theory. Those I know who have broken the law never claimed to use the bus or train as a means of escape. But since many riders have publicly stated that C-Tran isn’t worth a fare increase and federal funding is gone, where’s the money supposed to come from? There aren’t many Clayton residents who will agree to a tax increase for any reason, especially to financially support a bus system losing tons of money as is. 

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C-Tran service ends March 31, at which time the county still has to repay $2.1 million back to the federal government. According to the Clayton neighbor, Chairman Eldrin Bell believes operating this bus service contributes to the county’s economic growth and has stated all along that he will work to find a way to keep C-Tran running.

If you ride C-Tran, will you stay in Clayton county and find another way to get from point A to point B, or will you go elsewhere?

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Michael

January 11th, 2010
10:36 am

C-Tran was a bad decision for the county when it was first made.

There appears to be a correlation between the appearance of public transportation in Clayton county and the decline in the standard of living therein. It seems to me that when MARTA was first allowed to come into northern areas those areas began to decline. Then when C-tran was approved and spread into the rest of the county the decline spread with that encroachment.

The Forest Park area was once a thriving area, now, it is struggling. The Southlake Mall area was once a place to go for shopping and entertainment, now the area is filled with empty storefronts. Hwy 19/41 was once lined with thriving businesses, now, it isn’t.

I can’t say for certain that public transportation has led to the decline in our county, but, I am reminded that “If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers, the odds are pretty good that it is a duck”

Before public transportation the populace had to have a certain level of income or wherewithal to afford to live here. That requirement alone helped the entire county to grow and prosper.

JimBob

January 11th, 2010
12:23 pm

Anything that reduces the number of transient county residents will improve Clayton county. Those with no ties to the county or the people who live here; except for public transportation and the cheap housing (both brought to you by the old white sell-us-out commissioners Griswald and Bray).

Yeah, okay

January 11th, 2010
1:10 pm

I don’t think any public transportation is what brings crime there are many other factors contribute to a crime ridden area, but who wll pay? if the govt keeps paying fine they’re gonna give that money to somebody but if not than I’m sorry to those who rode it. another tough but good move by the commissioners .

The Duke

January 11th, 2010
2:27 pm

C Tran provided a valuable service to Clayton’s working blue collar community. Not to mention it is better on the environment. Mass transportation is a must in any urban setting. The problem is and has been the lack of leadership by the elected officials. Why is MArta the only major transportation system that receives zero state funding. If the Yahoos under the gold dome realize how much our draconian commute COST the state yearly you think they would be lining up. So here is what Clayton County should do to improve.
1. Offer tax incentives to lure business into the county. Ie. Waive county fees and taxes so that business can hire more workers
2. Consolidate the Sheriff and County police (NO I’M NOT A VICTOR HILL FAN) but it does make sense.
3. 685 should be a toll road
4. implement a dock tax (clayton has a large number of trucking companies. This has yielded revenue in the Ports of oakland and Long Beach)

Then lastly, elect competent leadership who have a vision. term limits might not be a bad idea in Georgia!!

Derek

January 11th, 2010
3:18 pm

To you mis-guided souls out there, who claim (Buses don’t increase crime, because criminals don’t ride buses to get away!). Please take a penology or crime demographics course before saying such things. When buses move into a new area, especially one with cheap housing. Those who could not normally afford both (ie; private transportation and housing), move into the area. Once they have done so, old friends / aquaintances from areas they used to live in, visit and are introduced into a new area, with a place to hang out. That is why you see old “hoopties” with 6 – 8 teens or young adults riding in one car. (again because of the inability to afford or the ability to obtain a vehicle or license). These new arrivals have an element that is involved with criminals, whether opportunistic or gang based. That is why crime goes up, house values go down and the general status of these area decline. Busing (except for community run for elderly / handicapped) never works in a suburban middle to upper class neighborhood. If you notice, none of the successful counties maintain any busing links to MARTA (ie; Coweta, Fayette even Henry), and the schools, tax base and crime is significantly lower. Buses work only in a City / Metro area and almost always lose money. I tell you what, why doesn’t the State buy every person who gets elected to any position a copy of SIM CITY, so they can see what happens when certain programs are enacted……

Derek

January 11th, 2010
3:48 pm

Duke; I see 48% will leave CC will the buses do, please be one of them. Blue collar? What blue collar jobs? White collar is what suppost your tax base. There is not enough income to support the programs you envision, you can’t waive fee’s and taxes without cutting expenditures. If you implement a dock tax; the trucking will go elsewhere! Typical liberal thinking. Why should the state fund MARTA? What just for the city of Atlanta? The city itself, other than a few conventions, generates very little income, and if the airport (90% of which is NOT in Atlanta) were to be divided up or be taken over by the state, Atlanta would go broke. Finally there is no 685 in CC, there is a 675 bypass, which provides an excellent route around most jams on the southside. Hard to take your ideas seriously, until you can find a way to encourage a tax base to return to CC as well as lower crime and better schools and shopping. North Clayton is almost too far gone to turn around within a generation. For those who remember CC used to be a good school district and productive area to live in, there were undlying reasons why the military closed the bases here, they did their homework and quietly decided to move on as others have. You can’t tax your way into a better CC, you have to keep your present tax base and encourage others to return, as well as businesses. I’m not talking about strip malls with barbers, cleaners, wing places and electronics and wheel shop, these are very low tax bases with hidden income. WAKE UP CC

JimBob

January 11th, 2010
5:48 pm

There is no 685

BnB

January 11th, 2010
5:51 pm

Actually – I am more worried about the other 4 commissioners – 1, 2, 3 and chairman.

getyourown

January 11th, 2010
6:49 pm

Something has turned Clayton Co. into a place where few newcomers to Atlanta would choose to live. Why is this? I believe C-Tran is one of many things that have systematically degraded the quality of life in the county to the sad state where it now sits. Let it go and see what happens. Worse comes to worse residents save a few million dollars.

Nikki

January 11th, 2010
7:48 pm

F.Y.I. City of Atlanta and Dekalb County has recently closed down their public housing. The residents were given vouchers and well Clayton County was their destination. It’s very cheap so many people find it to be affordable. Why will they leave? If expenses in other counties are steadily increasing, why not stay in a county where the residents do not want tax increases? P.S. The crimes in my neighborhood were mostly done by people with vehicles. There were several eye witnesses to verify this information.

Seriously

January 11th, 2010
9:13 pm

I agree with the DUKE, U should run for office ..@JimBob.I think he meant 675 so stop splitting hairs.

PLEASE GET RID OF THEE TRAILER PARKS ON TARA BLVD..PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!

Seriously

January 11th, 2010
9:16 pm

The Debouze Antoine has a bunch of baaaaaaaaaad ideas. Afordable housingf in Clayton…you really think we need more affordable housing? You sound out of touch and on some hand out …etend the ghetto type agenda.

CC needs economic development and better schools….If you don’t havea viable plan for those two goals…please don’t run…we’ve had enough trashy leadership.

Seriously

January 11th, 2010
10:04 pm

The citizens of dekalb are protesting the superintendents raise…some clown on here thought it would be a good idea to give Heatley a raise to “remain competitive” He makes six figures…e doesn’t need a raise. We need to climb up the ranks of test scores among metro Atlanta schools before we reward anyone…..I think the teachers , once successful, should get a raise first.

What will it take?

January 11th, 2010
11:05 pm

BnB, were you worried about Bray, Griswold, and the others who made this mess that our commissioners have been saddled with trying to fix. If you want to go there we can.

Nonya

January 12th, 2010
12:15 am

I say good riddance! I agree with Derek. Goodbye CTRAN.

Jaylan Haley

January 12th, 2010
1:55 am

As a member of the U.S. Air Force, I have had the distinct pleasure of living in several places across our great nation; however, I am still a child of Clayton County. Contrary to what several contributors have submitted, the communities in which I have lived and worked, all have available public transportation and still maintained a safe and progressive community [California (Roseville-Sacramento) and Colorado (Denver-Colorado Springs)]. As far a standard of living is concerned, many of the people here in Roseville own BMWs, Mercedes and other exotic cars but they use public transportation to circumvent road expansions and other outcomes of overcrowding.

Clayton County does not need to get rid of it’s public transportation system, it needs to get rid of the corrupt members of its government that have mismanaged the county since I was a high school student there, almost ten years ago. Our leadership from the city level to the county to those in our state government in Atlanta are lacking, in a very profound way. Until men and women, worth their salt, from across our county and state step-up and take-back control of our streets and government, Clayton County and the people of Georgia will continue to suffer.

Believe me, this depression has nothing to do with the failure of C-Tran. The depression has everything to do with revealing the misgivings of those that the people have elected to office. It was simply symptom a much larger issue, lack of good leaders. And if you’re wondering, yes, I will be back to my home state and county in short order to do what I can to make things right. Who knows, maybe one day I’ll ask for your vote.

Jim

January 12th, 2010
2:28 am

What kind of name is DAUBOZE? Muslim? We need a commissioner named Mike or Joe Or Bill or Bob. It’s the DAUBOSE’s of this country that are ruining everything

Jim

January 12th, 2010
6:25 am

Sorry for not acting civilized, my first girlfriend was a cow.

BnB

January 12th, 2010
7:03 am

Actually , I attended BOC meetings and argued against the developments these idiots sold their souls for – sometimes winnig small victories – but to no avail – not enough people did the same. How bout you – ever talk against the old Commishs in meetings? And the fact we had white sell-outs in the past – does not mean we have to expect our black leadership to follow suit and be sell-outs themselves.

Tell The Truth

January 12th, 2010
8:03 am

Jim,
One question for you….How long have you been on the pipe?

Jborodawg

January 12th, 2010
9:05 am

ClayCo was on a downward spiral WAY before C-tran. C-tran has little to do with bringing more crime. Ever heard of a ‘drive-by bus shooting’ or a ‘getaway bus’? Yes, metro ATL needs mass transit; and ClayCo needs mass transit: fewer cars on the road, less polution, less petrol consumption, etc. Cobb is a fairly “successful” county, and they have mass transit. But, to fund said mass transit for a low-ridership system with tax payer money is a dubious enterprise. One problem many of us see with C-tran is far too many empty buses. It tries to be something it isn’t; eg emulate MARTA. If they cut back service during perhaps the 10AM to 3PM time frame, and raise the fair to $2, it might even break even.

What will it take?

January 12th, 2010
11:24 am

BnB,
The Black leadership unlike the previous leadership have eduction, experience in the community and they are not self-serving. The previous leadership left here with millions and made sure their families reaped millions as well. This administration is made up of hard working people, at least 3 are hardworking and they have the whole county’s interest. They are trying to fix the crap they were handed so we can all live well.

What will it take?

January 12th, 2010
11:38 am

Jim,
it is your type of uneducated RACISM (Call A Spade A Spade), that blinds and instills fear in the citizens of this country. To clarify your ignorance, DABOUZE is a French (European) name, not Muslim. And so what if it was Muslim??

TD

January 12th, 2010
12:22 pm

C-Tran has contributed to crime in Clayton County. When I first moved to Riverdale there was no C-Tran and the crime rate was lowered. For those who think there is no connection between they two then you are sadly mistaken. Last year a 14 year old friend of my neice was sitting outside and was shot and killed by a man who did not live in Clayton County, but rode the bus to this area looking for trouble. This would not have happenned if there was no bus system. I for one am glad to see C-Tran leave.

It's Not the Bus

January 12th, 2010
12:50 pm

Removing or keeping the bus system will not do anything to improve or degrade the status in Clayton County. Clayton’s problems are now almost a generation in the making. As Jborodawg mentions, the problems existed long before C-Tran was around. The problems started gestating 20 years ago when lower income housing started cropping up. As Derek alludes to above, this brings lower income individuals to the area and inevitably with that comes a higher propensity for crime.

The county did not help matters with over development of the area. Unfortunately, with lower income housing and empty storefronts from overdevelopment, businesses attracted to the new residents moved – pawn shops, check cashing, and so on. This has fact has been discussed many times on this forum, but it bears reminding that this did occur – county officials chose to go this route for a variety of reasons. Some people are quick to bring race into the mix when pointing to the reasons of what’s wrong in Clayton, which is inaccurate. Reducing socio-economic conditions in any area – regardless of race – will increase crime statistics. It’s the old adage of the more desperate one is, the more desperate things one will attempt.

The county progressed to the point it is today under this system. The bus system was a natural byproduct of this progression. Removing it will not help nor hurt Clayton County’s problems. A generation in the making of where Clayton County is today will not turn with a small percentage of the residents moving out due to the bus system failing.

Bob Hartley

January 12th, 2010
12:54 pm

In a nutshell SMART ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
urban areas far worst than Clayton County have had successful turnarounds and they did it with innovative and sometimes creative economic development ideas. Hire the best thinkers who have a proven track record of turning things around then let the politicians shut up and learn and get out the way. Just my two cents worth.

Clare

January 12th, 2010
2:22 pm

Who wants to pay 8 million dollars for CTRAN?

Clare

January 12th, 2010
2:53 pm

Jalyn Haley your email brought a breath of fresh air. These people actually equate public transportation with poverty. Backwards thinking that’s what it is. Be sure to identify other young natives from Clayton to come back and run for offices too! Right now we will keep fighting til you come home.

James

January 12th, 2010
4:15 pm

What Clayton County (and the whole metro area) needs is LIGHT RAIL. Everyone knows C-TRAN only hurt this county economically. People with good jobs would be willing to move here if we got rid of the buses and implemented a rail system. Why should HOMEOWNERS be taxed to pay for a bus system they will never use?

MorrowMan

January 12th, 2010
4:22 pm

If anyone doesn’t believe the apartments and rental homes breed crime, I suggest he/she take a look at police reports. Section 8′ers are not vested in the county and don’t care about property values or quality of life. What we need IS A BETTER CLASS OF CITIZENS.

Seriously

January 12th, 2010
6:21 pm

The bus system unfortunately needs to go….looking at our border counties in Fayette and Clayton, it makes sense. Why didn’t the people from the projects move to fayetteville or Stockbridge in droves?

The buses were packed, but only in certain areas…Garden Walk…College Park…the ctime hotbeds…..the bus didn’t extend as far as lovejoy and Hampton….the peaceful section of Clayton.

Bob Hartley you missed the ball on this topic.

If East Atlanta, Inman, decatur can turn those areas into classy, mixed use, upwardly mobile communities, then the same can be done here. how about building some homes, parks/greenspace, condos, lofts……get a clue people.

But ost importanly…get a better mix of people here….everybody can’t be rich, but he ratio and income per capita has to change……70% of our population can’t be baby mommas,, thugs, etc.

Seriously

January 12th, 2010
6:23 pm

Any of you heard about the Morrow Annexation? Morrow as the most capable government and those people should be elected to a higher office…..you can see what they are doing with their city.

Jim

January 12th, 2010
6:56 pm

Don’t let the door hit you on the way OUT!

BnB

January 12th, 2010
7:43 pm

i see you did not answer my question – how involved are you with BOC meetings now and in the past? I never said the 3 bad BOC members were enriching themselves the way Grisweld and Bray did for so long. But a sell-out to personal political attacks for more power is still a sell-out.

Not self serving – you are a joke. The hardest working person is not on the BOC , but in the vehicle maintinance dept. But still manages to run the BOC. Care to venture a guess? Since when did he change his name to “whole county” Starr.

Wade Alex Tim

January 12th, 2010
8:38 pm

Prior to the County Commissioners meeting Tuesday, January 12th 2010 Wade Starr was witnessed rousting and intimidating private citizens in their endeavor to distribute literature.

Cohilas ordered Chief Robinson to call other Officers. This citizens was intimidated to the point of the citizen thinking was being detained on the brown benches in the alcove.

Practices of intimidation included using the Clayton County Police in the old technique of “Consensual Conversation” to continue the intimidation. Is CCPD and it’s new regime now Wade Starr Puppets? CCPD Officers (Chief Tim Robinson and Mr. Cohilas)…you are better than this.

Certainly one does not see Wade Starr or any other elected, appointed or hired County Employee enforce the political signs ordinance however he does see it necessary to abridge the rights of citizens when it may be to his disliking?

Clayton County has no ordinance or resolution concerning the Distribution of Material in Public Buildings. There are County and State distribution rules concerning County and State employee’s from distribution of literature but this does not include private citizens NOT employed by government.

There are County and State laws limiting distribution of material that hinder traffic and transportation on public streets.

Mr. Starr needs to be reminded that as a County Employee, the intentional limition of the First Amendment easily sets up Clayton County for a Federal lawsuit. The US Supreme Court is quite clear (Hague v. Committee for Industrial Organization) that this kind of limitation is indeed unconstitutional.

So now, we have Wade Starr in collusion with elements of the CCPD intimidating citizens in their free exercise of speech when that expression was done in a peaceable manner.

Get smart ladies and gentleman. When on foot, you do not have to engage in “Consensual Conversion” with a police officer. If asked your name, say it. You are not required to show identification when you are not operating and motor vehicle. You are not required to answer their question, simply ask if you are free to go. If the answer is no, assume you are under arrest and speak no further. If the answer is yes, depart the area. Consensual Conversation is a technique often used to incriminate yourself and justifying arrest.

Do not be intimidated by thugs. Also know that the police may lie to you to intimidate you talk. It is not against the law for law enforcement to lie to you.

Shannon, M.Div.

January 12th, 2010
9:52 pm

Why stop at getting rid of the buses? It’s time that those lowlifes start contributing to society. I say we bring slavery back and anyone who isn’t making at least $30,000/year gets “indentured” to an *actual* contributing member of society. Then at least homeowners can start getting some return on their investment–someone to mow the lawn and do the laundry. That’s all they’re good for, anyway, right?

Or maybe instead of just getting rid of the buses, we can round up everyone who normally gets on them and kill ‘em.

That’s a little drastic, though. Maybe we should just erect a border around the county and require some kind of “middle class or higher” identification to let ‘em in.

You know, the price of food keeps going up. Maybe the lower socio-economic folks–no, let’s call them what they are–lower *class*… maybe we could “employ” some of them in the creation of Soylent Green, which I understand is a nutritive food source which could be made fairly cheaply…

Mass Transit Man

January 12th, 2010
9:55 pm

Clayton county will have a mass transit system one way or the other! Whether state or federally funded. Georgia has one of the worst traffic congestion in the nation. It an election year and here come the politicians with their transportation fixes! Remeber it’s 2010!

What will it take?

January 13th, 2010
7:10 am

BnB reading your comments it seems as though you have a personal anger towards the only 3 on the BOC who seem to make good but hard decisions for the future of the county. It is going to take years to fix what Bray, Griswold and Company have destroyed. So instead of making negative, sometimes malicious statements about the BOC, examine your own motives for this obsession you have with the BOC asnd Wade Starr.

Jborodawg

January 13th, 2010
7:25 am

Bob Hartley: that “smart development” didn’t happen in ATL because of what politicians did; it was solely from people with money and a sense of concern for their neighborhoods moving in. That happened soley because some people became weary of commuting (time, gas, etc); or because of the usual allure of being in or near the “big city” with its concomitant “amenities” …like theater, arts, etc. It happened, and is happening, in spite of ATL city govt being not a whole lot better than ClayCo’s; ATL being near-bankrupt, etc etc.

Light rail is one component of the needed trans infrastructure upgrades needed for Metro ATL. However, it will NOT in and of itself turn ClayCo around. The X-press buses are one great component; one that seems to work; has good ridership, etc. We’ll see how the new ‘park and ride’ (around Tara and Smith St) works. The ingress/egress looks dubious right now.

TD: you give one example; but you’re still a little off course. Riverdale (and ClayCo) started going “down” years before C-tran. Southway Plaza (Tara and 138) had a Winn Dixie years ago. Publix (across Tara from Southway) closed a couple years before C-Tran. I’ve sometimes been hesitant to agree with a particular blogger who blamed the migration of people from the ATL “projects”…and “pawn shops, massage parlors, trailer parks, nail parlors, check-cashing stores…” et al. It seems ATL lost a LOT of low-income people (white and of color); and they had to go somewhere. Apparently the Jonesboro Housing Authority had way more new vouchers available than they will admit (I was told by them about 3-4 years ago that they weren’t taking any new apps). Stats are difficult to quantity/make sense of; eg Gwinnett seems “successful”, yet has the highest percentage of Hispanics of any metro county.

It could be the small things; like limiting roadside signage size; requiring businesses to keep their grounds landscaped, clean. It does include citizen involvement; citizens demanding excellence in govt and schools. Not necessarily hiring people with vision and innovative ideas. Don’t hold your breath waiting to see politicians in ClayCo “…shut up and learn and get out the way…” Who does the hiring; hiring for what position?

Jimmy (Conservative Brother)

January 13th, 2010
9:15 am

Michael, I second everything you’ve said. It is clear what has happened if you have lived here for any length of time. The combination of C-Tran and the closing housing projects in the City of Atlanta has led to a decline in the quality of life in this county and the two are most definitely related. If anyone remembers back to the time of the Olympics in Atlanta, most of the apartments on what was then Morrow Ind. Blvd had been closed and boarded up. They began to close several of the housing projects in Atlanta and Tax dollars were given to the owners of those apartments on Morrow Industrial Blvd. The apartments were renovated and the first batch of former project dwellers moved to the area.
Crime immediately went up in that area (violent crime). There was a time when police officers were advised not to go in those apartments without at least two units. Crime centered around that area and as Michael said at the time the other high crime areas were the areas where Marta touched the county. Riverdale Rd. and Forest Pkwy. both had Marta Routes and they were the first to become blighted. Forest Pkwy lost stores like “Zare” “Richway” and “Belks” and replaced it with flea markets and pawn shops. With C-Tran the same has started to happen on Tara Blvd.
C-Tran and other forms of mass transit allows the criminal minded to become mobile. There have been instances where kids have taken C-Tran to connect with Marta and go into Atlanta where they would commit crimes like car theft. They bring the stolen car back to Clayton County where they use that car to commit burglaries and other violent crimes. If you know a police officer ask them and they will confirm it.

Jimmy (Conservative Brother)

January 13th, 2010
9:28 am

BnB, you are on the right track. I say replace all of the board of Commissioners now. New leadership, as your name suggest we should be about just that. The leadership of this board changed in names only during the last two elections. It is the same political machine behind the scenes that has run this County since the beginning. We should not only vote out the ones in office but we should be careful not to vote for anyone they might endorse.
We need to be careful about the backing of these politicians and where they get their funding. It will do us no good if we simply replace what we have now with essentially the same thing.

CCC

January 13th, 2010
10:22 am

This is just my opinion. CTran has not been productive for a couple of reasons. 1) The service was way too limited to be productive. 2) There were no long range plans to support the service after the Federal dollars which meant it should not have been operative in the first place. I mean who gets on a plane knowing a pilot has not been trained beyond take off.

With voter turnout what it is in Clayton County, there really are not a lot of citizens who can complain about the services that are or are not received.

If the citizens don’t step up and DEMAND better leadership, we are only at the tip of the iceberg as to what this county is going to become. Clayton County is positioned in the metro area to be the boomingest (I think I just made a word up) County in the metro area. We will not be what we are capable of without GREAT economic visionary leadership. This County needs a master plan. That would be the first course in eliminating asinine decisions, like “hey lets have bus service”.

ND

January 13th, 2010
10:24 am

London, New York, and Paris are much wealthier and safer than anywhere in metro Atlanta, and all have public transportation facilities so excellent that many wealthy people there don’t even buy cars. And for the racists out there, all three have large and visible non-white populations. Pull your heads out of your a$$es.

TD; You Lie

January 13th, 2010
10:26 am

You lie! How do you know that person rode the bus to riverdale; you don’t, you lie! I know he didn’t!

BnB

January 13th, 2010
10:44 am

You should educate yourself and read the entry in this blog by “Wade Alex Tim”. Looks like Mr. Starr read the book on the brown shirts from 1940s Germany. Clayton citizens – make it known that we will not put up with this sort of illegal and malicious use of our police dept – could have told you that was coming, when you get rid of a true public servant and replace with Wade’s puppets. By the way – the 3 do not have a problem making decisions – because the decisions are being made for them – they are just doing what they are told by you know who.

No Fearmongers Allowed

January 13th, 2010
11:00 am

Jimmy (Conservative Brother), Jborodawg, DoubleAction, Shannon, M.Div., and Seriously! All you guys are “Doomsday Fearmongering Fools”! You can’t turn back the hands of time! This problem started with the Olympics and greedy Clayton and Fulton politicians. It will take an economical full recovery and 10 years to fix this problem. Halting the bus “WON”T WORK”! James, you’r right –light rail is the only fix!

Seriously

January 13th, 2010
11:23 am

True Story: I went to a debate where Eldrin was speaking…..He wa asked about the massage parlors that use to line Tara Blvd….the audience member said Victo Hill, as bad as he may have been at other things played a vital role in shutting down all of those parlors.

Eldrin said he thinks everyone has a right to own a business and if you don’t like massage parlors done go to them. WHAT AN IDIOT.

Even if nobody from CC went to those parlors….The truck drivers, the perverts from other counties would be more than enough business for them. Eldrin wasn’t concerned with the image of having 13 massage parlors on the same street…or the fact that they are houses of prostitution (evident by the raid footage that shows the condoms they offer when you enter the establishment)…not to mention the human trafficking that goes on there.

If Eldrin had it his way…tere would be 13 more massage parlor…13 more check cashing and title loans, etc. Thats my biggest gripe with Bell…He has no vision or community awareness.

Party Line Fighting

January 13th, 2010
11:25 am

Thinking and Talking about a “Dysfunctional Government”! Sonny and the Republicians are in “General Assembly”! Last year they talked about ceceding from the union; the USA! Now, they’re talking about curcumventing the “National HealthCare Reform”; in other words, “Constant Bickering” and well known documented unethical practices! You guys are ignorant! You let this government take your accreditation for less than the same. Clayton County & Georgia; are “Dysfunctional Governments”!

City of Morrow

January 13th, 2010
11:27 am

If you want good leadership..elect people from te city of Morrow..they are forward thinking and have their city off to an excellent start

About CC

January 13th, 2010
11:33 am

Why is Wade Star so powerful…..does he have a lot of money…why do people listen to him….who is his boss?