This and that in Clayton …

While both issues below are things I wanted to discuss this week, I couldn’t pick just one, as they are both important topics (among many other things) going on in Clayton lately.

In response to a possible second school uniform protest by high school students, I was happy that Superintendent Edmond Heatley opted to dole out detentions in lieu of suspensions. It makes more sense because there’s always a faction who don’t care about missing a day, but who wants to stay late after school?

Further, directly involving parents by having them retrieve their detained child(ren) will hopefully force them to pay attention to what their kids are doing (or not doing). Yes I know school uniforms will not solve all of the problems in Clayton County Public Schools, but they sure can’t hurt.

In addition, I recently attended the joint meeting between Clayton’s legislative delegation and our Board of Commissioners. The turnout was abysmal (as was the weather that day) – there may have been five residents in attendance (not including elected officials).

So some may not know that based on discussions at this meeting, it sounded like C-Tran could still have a shelf life if funding issues can be worked out with MARTA, the state and the federal government. This could be good or bad news depending on which side of the bus shelter you’re standing. Either way, those affected by this will probably want to contact their elected officials and let them know where you stand.

2010 is definitely going to be interesting around here! Wishing you all a safe and blessed Christmas Clayton!

115 comments Add your comment

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
11:10 pm

Double A ; You sure called that one !!!

Pity The Rest of The Fools

Insider

December 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm

Just in! New chief to back a ban all handguns in Clayton County! Way to go!

BB

December 22nd, 2009
11:13 pm

DA – your moniker fits DumbA–

RayJay

December 22nd, 2009
11:26 pm

We will again be the butt of jokes throughout Georgia. How foolish can our elected officials be. Why can’t Wade Starr’s three stooges Wole, Gail and Sonia – and now Bell and Edmundson do what is right. If there are perceived issues, work on them – this is a good man, with the county good in him. Wole your marriage in shambles, you are Wade Starr’s do-boy, surely that knocks you out of being commissoner, Gail – well you know why you should not be there and Sonia your association with Victor Hill should knock you out of this job. None of you deserve to be in your positions. so much promise not delivered. But you do have these jobs, the voters gave you all a chance – despite your issues and the monkeys on your backs. Do not take this man from the citizens who knows our county is better with him than without.

Resolute

December 22nd, 2009
11:32 pm

So Cohilas job was, what. Go do a hatchet job on whoever Wade Starr wanted to discredit. Hey – Wade – why don’t you run for the office. Oh yea, you would not win.

NOT AGAIN!

December 23rd, 2009
12:14 am

This is some seriously dirty politics at play here. The BOC has lost their everlastin’ mind. Personal vendetta because Turner wounld’nt go along with their misdeeds! So, now, they will just go and find a new chief who will. A yes man to hide their dirty deeds even more. This is a mess!

Taxpayer

December 23rd, 2009
5:29 am

He should be relieved of his duties immediately. Turner is not a manager and should be removed from ANY high-level position. I am disappointed that he accepted a job for which he was clearly unprepared. We need a chief with a proven track record.

And for those suggesting that Turner run for chairman. This suggestion is indicative of who lives in Clayton — an uneducated and under-educated electorate. Turner doesn’t live in Clayton County. Granted, he could move here and satisfy that requirement. But if he didn’t move here while he was chief, one would think it would be less of an option for him now.

GREAT job Sonna, Wole and Gail. Your leadership is what this county needs. Can’t wait to see you in person to tell you so. Good looking out!

Resolute

December 23rd, 2009
7:11 am

Why did Bell and Edmundson roll over – what has Wade Starr got on them. Crime is down in Clayton while Chief Turner has been over the Police dept – that is the measure to use here. The incidents the BOC has brought forward were dealt with. DO they really think for the Chief to be perfect – that everyone under him also has to be perfect,. Do the commissioners really want their own dirty laundry brought forth – they would just whither away. Nobody is perfect – but the Chief is a better person than any BOC member and better than the vast majority of Claton public officials, The Chief has great support amongst all your constituents. Tread lightly here, BOC, you own jobs are at stake here, not just the Chief’s.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 23rd, 2009
7:26 am

Resolute : Please Quit with the whimpering.

Insider

December 23rd, 2009
7:44 am

The board better tread lightly now, and legally.One slip up is all it takes, and the public is watching intently.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 23rd, 2009
7:45 am

Resolute

December 22nd, 2009
10:36 pm
“Chief Turner for Commission Chairman!!!! He would kick Wole’s butt 3 to 1.”

Well; Turner is not The Commission Chairman, and If was you, I would forget about this silly notion and get on with your life.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 23rd, 2009
7:51 am

Insider “The board better tread lightly now, and legally.One slip up is all it takes, and the public is watching intently.”

WOW Insider, That sounds to be Scary !!! Ha, Ha, Ha

Pity The Fool

Shannon, M.Div.

December 23rd, 2009
7:57 am

Just one question for you pro-uniform folks. If you can adequately answer this, I’ll admit I’m completely wrong. :)

Here’s the question: why is a uniform policy superior to actual enforcement of a dress code?

Seems to me like the problem is the adults at the schools didn’t want to enforce the dress code, and uniform policy is the lazy way out.

Shannon, M.Div.

December 23rd, 2009
7:59 am

By the way, “Oh please,” it’s cute how you denigrate my accomplishments. 1420 was a pretty decent SAT score back when it was only two sections.

Resolute

December 23rd, 2009
9:40 am

Carlos – you are so right – I would encourage him to move, then kick Wole butt.

Resolute

December 23rd, 2009
9:41 am

Shannon – 1420 is great – past or present for the 2 sections on SAT

Resolute

December 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

Pity the Fools – I do pity the fools of this county who think just cause they are black officials they can do no wrong, corruption knows no color. But in this instance – Clayton knows corruption.

Black Rain

December 23rd, 2009
10:02 am

Taxpayer – you should not give kudos to the three stooges for leadership – give it to the proper person – Wade Starr. They follow this unelected leader. Observers from outside our county are saying – “Clayton County – there they go again.” Forrest Gump said “Stupid is as stupid does” – our BOC has shown this to be all too true.

So So

December 23rd, 2009
10:14 am

DA – do you advocate the removal of all black Clayton officials? A survey of these would show 90% favor gun control – your pet peeve. Or maybe the forceable removal of all blacks in the county – because 70% are for gun control. Just how far would you take it?

Tamra G.

December 23rd, 2009
10:41 am

Jeff Turner would make a great Commission Chairman. He would demolish that wimp Wole (even with Wade Starr telling him everything that he needs to say). What is Wade Starr’s official job? I hear he is in charge of fleet maintenance. Is this car supervisor running our County? Mr. Bell, what are you allowing to happen to our County? Didn’t you beat Wade Starr very badly when you ran against him? If so, why is Wade Starr running Clayton County?

Mojo Mist

December 23rd, 2009
10:43 am

Shannon,

Great job on the SAT but if you’re still talking about things you did yesterday, you’ve done nothing today. Test scores, degrees, and accolades mean nothing. It’s the road we take to earn them that is most important.

Also, one reason uniforms are superior is identification such as with non-students and gangs. Uniforms help administrators and teachers know who should and shouldn’t be on campus and provides a first line of defense. Your school (Lovejoy) had serious problems with this a few years ago.

Lovejoy

December 23rd, 2009
10:54 am

@Shannon to answer your question

The uniform policy is the dress code…if you can’t regulate khakis and a golf shirt…how can you regulate how tight jeans should be….how low can they hang? What is too much clevege?

Its a dress code…follow rules……are u gonna protest the baggy pants thing and see its a violation of your right to freedom of expression? If you have a job you have an office dress code….the lesson here is FOLLOWING RULES. Maybe when the vast MAJORITY of students can pass a competency test they will have some leverage to make demands.

Lovejoy

December 23rd, 2009
10:58 am

@Shannon and any other anti uniform person.

Do you guy remember the Jonesboro dance troop mess? A lap dance at a highschool basketball game…..THE KIDS DON’T HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE OR DISCRETION. Thats why you need rules…to some what keep them in order. They will come to school naked if you didn’t say anything. Why do private schools enforce uniforms? Its a form of discipline.
The uniforms are equivalent to a dress code…so if 1500 students don’t want to where uniforms…its safe to say that 1500 student probably wont pull their pants up given the choice.

Lovejoy

December 23rd, 2009
11:03 am

Do you people know how much regular school clothes cost? seen the price of sneakers recently? How about jeans? Its to the point that you have a group known as the blue jean bandits..ripping of stores.

The school uniform is 100 times cheaper than purchasing regular clothes. It makes kids look like kids..not amateur strippers or convicts. You can wear your normal clothes on the weekends and show off at the mall or perhaps every month the school would allow kids to where regular stuff.

If the kids in this county did better scholastically then this would be a non issue. This isn’t the fix for all of the school systems woes…but its a good start.

Straight No Chaser

December 23rd, 2009
11:06 am

@DA the reason why your posts were removed is because they looked like money shots from a porn movie after you heard the news about Turner. A little premature on the rejoicing huh?

Resolute

December 23rd, 2009
11:12 am

Funny – I have watched this blog closely since 9 pm last night – most are still there – if your posts were removed maybe it was for their insignificance.

T G

December 23rd, 2009
11:20 am

The Atlanta Police Department is looking for a new Chief.. Please take Eldgin Bell back.. He is a fraud and a phony… First Vic Hill, which I am not a fan of, and now Jeff Turner… HMMMMMMMM..

So So

December 23rd, 2009
11:25 am

Hey Pity – DA can answer the question right here. It is obvious his website still leaves him plenty of spare time. Tt is a little over the top tho.

Downtown

December 23rd, 2009
11:29 am

Bell and Edmundson – we thought at least you two could think for yourelves. We know the other three are in someones hip pocket. So are we now to get another official beholding to Wade and Wole. Sad situation.

Rev Billy Bob Whiskey

December 23rd, 2009
11:34 am

Hey John – you and Glen on vacation. I miss you both.
JT meet Wade Starr — each manipulators in their own right.

What You Talking Bout

December 23rd, 2009
11:39 am

All of you (Whining) people will never learn! You can’t have everything your bigotted pink way all the time. Stop the hate! Our educated elected officials know Turner is no-good! Replace him immediately, if not sooner! School uniforms are for the pleasure of the scary pinkos; who say can’t trust those kids, to them three HS basketball players walking home from practice is a gang. C-Tran will survive– believe me. Its 2010; its a new day!

Claytonian

December 23rd, 2009
11:49 am

Speak for yourself, I for one never thought Bell or Edmondson were capable of independent thought. They’re just outnumbered is all.

Jackie

December 23rd, 2009
12:12 pm

Requiring students to wear uniforms is a good policy. Let’s face it, most of the students in Clayton County don’t have a clue about what appropriate dress is. The younger girls dress like future strippers, and the younger boys dress like thugs in training. I blame the parents because they purchase the clothes. Little boys have no business wearing braids and earrings to school. What kind of values are our parents teaching their children. Parents cannot go to the CCDC and demand that their children wear street clothes, so why do they insist on violating school policies?

While they are wasting their time on trivial issues, they need to be working with their children so that they will pass the CRCT. Clayton County is in danger of being taken over by the state if the county fails to make AYP. Clayton County BOE is not concerned about the students. The BOE and the central office personnel are only concerned about playing politics. Maybe being taken over by the state wouldn’t be such a bad thing at all.

Say not to CTRAN.

Jackie

December 23rd, 2009
12:16 pm

Eldrin Bell needs to go back to Atlanta or to a retirement home. Whichever comes first.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 23rd, 2009
12:19 pm

So So : “Hey Pity – DA can answer the question right here. It is obvious his website still leaves him plenty of spare time. Tt is a little over the top tho.”

So So; There is no guarantee that Double A would be able answer your question without it being deleted by the moderators of this forum.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 23rd, 2009
12:22 pm

So So : “Hey Pity – DA can answer the question right here. It is obvious his website still leaves him plenty of spare time. Tt is a little over the top tho.”

So So; There is no guarantee that Double A would be able answer your question without it being deleted by the moderators of this forum.

This second time I had to this message, I only hope that it goes through this time.

Shannon, M.Div.

December 23rd, 2009
12:41 pm

Mojo Mist, if you read all my posts, you’ll know that the only reason I’m talking about what I did in high school is because… we’re talking about high school. My basic point is that when I was in high school, I did pretty well–but if I had been dealing with a uniform policy, I’d have been fighting that rather than focusing on my academics. Didn’t like stupid rules then, don’t much care for ‘em now.

Mojo, gang identification is a serious problem, but I’d ban the relevant colors before I went to uniforms. (There used to be a word for countries that dressed up their students in uniforms to receive instruction… oh, right, fascist. I remember seeing students in school when I was in Cuba a few years ago). As regards people who are on campus and shouldn’t be, why should the students be punished for a security issue? Tighten the penalties for anyone caught on campus and you’ll see far fewer folks sneaking in.

Lovejoy, wouldn’t the students be better served to learn how to dress by being given freedom within rules? They aren’t learning anything by being in uniforms, but they could seriously learn something if the prior dress code were enforced. Before I was at Lovejoy, I was at a private school with skirt length rules. Very simple: if you were wearing a skirt, there was a length above the knee that it was required to be. If a student’s skirt was too short, parents were called to pick up the student. That’s far more educational than simply specifying what is to be worn.

If there’s a baggy pants rule, then students whose pants are hanging below a specified area are sent home. I’m certainly NOT saying that the school shouldn’t have a dress code. The whole uniform debacle is occurring because the schools *did* have a dress code–one which they failed to enforce. I say before going to uniforms, they ought to have enforced that existing policy. Uniforms are *not* equivalent to a dress code. A dress code sets boundaries within which one has freedom.

It’s a truth of our society that some people are wealthier than others. Best to adjust to it when one is a youth rather than try to pretend it doesn’t exist. In fact, wealth is a strong motivator for people to learn–so they can get a better job in order to (among other things) dress better. The Republicans & Libertarians among you ought to be especially swayed by this argument.

But the bottom line for me is two truths. First, the jury is out on the research; it is not a settled question as to whether uniforms are helpful. Second, this is a stupid issue that distracts students away from what is important–academics. Sitting in a sea of boring neutral colors during class is not going to help anybody learn to think creatively.

Nobleblue32

December 23rd, 2009
12:57 pm

I’ve purchased a home in CC in 2001 and have seen my property value drop consistently even though I live in a so called good community near Lake Spivey. I can honestly say that I’m so glad I recently received a promotion and will be relocating (I know I couldn’t sell my house if I were to remain here). After this experience I’ve learned alot and will seek residence in the best school district of my new city. I thought that CC would be a progressive place to live when I first moved here but it’s nothing close to it….where are all of the wealthy folks that live on/in the Lake Spivey area and surrounding communities? A bunch of their houses are up for sale on Georgia MLS as well so I guess they are ready to leave the county as well? There are a plenty of very well educated folks in CC but for the most part it seems that we’re too busy raising our kids, participating their events (School, Cub/Girl Scouting, Coaching their sporting events), furthering our education, and working to attend the board meetings. I guess the demise of the county is partially our fault for not being more involved. One of the major concerns that I see is that CC is still divided among racial lines and it will never prosper until folks just accept people for who they are. If you want to go get a gun permit (which I did) and carry a gun, then good for you; and if you don’t good for you as well. My kids are in elementary school and wear the uniforms which makes our expenses for clothing lower. I have no problem with uniforms and my kids are at the top of their respective classes. Overall the entire county is bad. What makes it bad is the folks who move in and rent houses and have no respect for the neighborhood, the lack of upscale housing for successful folks, and the BOC/BOE issues that always seem to be the “top” story on the local news. I was shocked when I turned on the news yesterday. I guess CC will continue to be more of the same…..glad I was blessed with an opportunity to leave!!

Nobleblue32

December 23rd, 2009
1:18 pm

glad I will be relocating from CC very soon….how else could I get rid of my house which has lost value consistently since I had it built in 2001….I will do my research about the demographics of the new area I’m moving (especially the school system) this time.

watchingfromsidelines

December 23rd, 2009
1:52 pm

the people working for the county know that wade starr is still mad at chief turner because starr got a ticket for parking in the handicapp space. he kept saying he would park where he wanted to park…! is wade starr above the law??? is he the chief potentate of clayton county??? yeah…you put wole ralph in charge of county and then it really wade starr in control because he control wole ralph gail hamrick and sonna sigleton!!! is this county clayton wade starr county??? is wade still mad about the land deal for drew high school??? he was cut out of any real estate commission right???? people working for the county know whatr is going on…wade starr using his influence with the three amigos to get his way. he still mad at chief turner. alex cohilas just is a goofus…little boy for wade starr. yes!!! jeff turner for clayton county commission chief. don’t give up chief!!! we are with you!!!

Taxpayer

December 23rd, 2009
2:02 pm

As a taxpayer for more than 20 years, I am absolutely livid about the costly judgments I will have to pay because of the behavior of a few officers and a chief who couldn’t manage his department. What is even more upsetting is that this chief lives in Henry County, and will not contribute to the cost of these judgments.I am LIVID!!! Give the man due process and let’s move on with cleaning up this county!!

To Chief Turner and all other new managers, let me give you a word of advice. When you assume the responsibility of an agency or company, ALWAYS conduct an audit to assess operations and finances. When you fail to that, you own all of the problems the organization brings. You can’t come back three years later and say the problems were there when you took over. YOU own those problems.

Chief Turner, do us a favor and accept the new position and retain your dignity. Allow this county to have a chief who understands and knows how to lead, has a track record of TRULY reducing ALL crime; who lives in Clayton; etc. Give us what you have in Henry County, which is a police department that is proactive and welll-managed.

Again, thank you Wole, Sonna and Gail and all others who have made a very difficult decision to LEAD. It may be months or years before people understand the wisdom of your decision. But stand strong, even if it means you stand alone. When you choose to lead, there is always the risk that you may have to stand alone. Please know that there are many who support you.

I'm Not Fooled By You

December 23rd, 2009
2:45 pm

Don’t be fooled by ‘Taxpayer’ and her other Anti-Chief Turner, Pro three amigos (Wole, Sonia, Gail)propaganda personas. It’s none other than Synannon Baldwin, CCHOWA. LOL!

Taxpayer

December 23rd, 2009
3:27 pm

My fellow Clayton Taxpayers,

Please be aware of the anti-intellectual sub-culture that permeates our county. When forced to consider the issues, they resort to name-calling and intentionally maligning people.

It is past time that those who came to Clayton as part of the “Bright Flight” begin to speak up. You all know the saying, if you don’t speak up, the village idiot will.

And by the way, I am not anti-Turner. I support competent leadership.

Turn around

December 23rd, 2009
3:42 pm

Bright Flight to Clayton County ? Who are you kidding? The dumbing down of Clayton has been going on since the Olympics came to Atlanta 15 years ago and the Great black leaders of Atlanta decided to push all the bloack folk in the projects out – and into Clayton. The Bright Flight from Clayton has been going on that same amount of time. The Brighter ones left early.

So So

December 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm

i am just saying you continue to post – even tho you cry about being blacklisted. I do commend you on the website you run. looks well organized and thought out.

Carlos

December 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm

Well said Taxpayer! Ditto on every single point.

SynamonSays!

December 23rd, 2009
5:03 pm

Hey, I am not fooled by you,
I blog under my own name. If you want to have some real dialogue on the subject tune into my show, Saturday night at 7pm. SynamonSays! Go to http://www.newroadsvideo.com and view some of my archived shows. You can see and hear what SynamonSays!

Righteousness is always Wrong

December 23rd, 2009
6:25 pm

Everybody needs to step back and observe what is truly going on in Clayton County. It is sad that the people of Clayton County has to pay for the actions of a few. If the CC have justifable reasons to remove Chief Turner then they should. They should all vote and do what they feel is right not what someone else want them to do. We must realize that We all will be Judged by God for what we do so, we should be mindful in accussing people of illegal and wrongful acts against another. They all must realize that we all live in glass houses and that Glass do break so they must be careful with their actions. I pray that the elected officials of CCounty and around the world will do the Right thing. Righteousness is and should be the way. They all goes to Church and say that they know God – then they all should respect each other and do what is Right for this County. God is watching and that is who they will give an account too. So, to the people of CCounty pray for your Leaders and when its time to cast your vote vote for the person of your choice. It is your Right.
Merry Christmas – Love your Neighbor and Pray for Your Enemy

watchingfromsidelines

December 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm

taxpayer is alex cohilas just getting on here to protect wade starr and the 3 amigos on the boc. alex talks about “owning” the problem and so forth. sounds just like a bureaucrat!!! how did alex become fire chief??? he was just some rabble roising union man who was a sgt or lt and jumped all the way up to chief. alex will you “own ” up to a behind-the-closed-doors “deal” made among commissioners for you to become the fire chief??? it was worse deal cutting than barack obama and harry reed!!!! now alex is wade starr’s waterboy. wade starr is mad at chief turner and is determined to fire him. we the real taxpayers who live here will remember how wade starr has been the pupiteer and controls the three amigos on the board…eespcially wole ralph!!!

Insider

December 23rd, 2009
7:02 pm

I’m Not Fooled By You

I think you are correct. I wonder what interest she has in this with Wade Starr? She has no authority in this county, but she thinks she does. She is nothing but a failing group leader. Her members are leaving in droves from foreclosures.