This and that in Clayton …

While both issues below are things I wanted to discuss this week, I couldn’t pick just one, as they are both important topics (among many other things) going on in Clayton lately.

In response to a possible second school uniform protest by high school students, I was happy that Superintendent Edmond Heatley opted to dole out detentions in lieu of suspensions. It makes more sense because there’s always a faction who don’t care about missing a day, but who wants to stay late after school?

Further, directly involving parents by having them retrieve their detained child(ren) will hopefully force them to pay attention to what their kids are doing (or not doing). Yes I know school uniforms will not solve all of the problems in Clayton County Public Schools, but they sure can’t hurt.

In addition, I recently attended the joint meeting between Clayton’s legislative delegation and our Board of Commissioners. The turnout was abysmal (as was the weather that day) – there may have been five residents in attendance (not including elected officials).

So some may not know that based on discussions at this meeting, it sounded like C-Tran could still have a shelf life if funding issues can be worked out with MARTA, the state and the federal government. This could be good or bad news depending on which side of the bus shelter you’re standing. Either way, those affected by this will probably want to contact their elected officials and let them know where you stand.

2010 is definitely going to be interesting around here! Wishing you all a safe and blessed Christmas Clayton!

115 comments Add your comment

Claytonian

December 21st, 2009
11:19 am

I agree about the school detention and definitely about C-Tran, that needs to end and I hope our elected officials aren’t trying to pull a fast one to keep C-Tran running. I will contact my Commissionr. You have a Merry Christmas too Kimberly!

Rhonda

December 21st, 2009
2:54 pm

About the uniforms, did anyone ask the Clayton County high school students if they wanted to wear uniforms? Apparently not. These are budding adults here. They should be learning to make their own decisions about life, and choosing what is appropriate to wear is one of them. Instead of giving suspension or detention to mass numbers of students wouldn’t it be easier to give detention to the students who come to school inappropriately dressed? I think that they don’t want to be treated like children, and I, for one, don’t blame them. Let the younger grades wear the uniforms, as they ARE the children, and let the high school students get ready for college and professional jobs by learning how to dress appropriately.

I don’t have strong feelings about C-Tran. My only thoughts on it are that since it’s inception, I have never seen more than 5 or 6 people on them. Maybe we should have started out with smaller buses. It would have been much more cost effective.

Pathetic

December 21st, 2009
3:03 pm

You know CTRAN is going nowhere. They will find a way to keep it, just to get the votes next election. About three of them, including Bell, know they are finished next election, and they will find a way to get the funds. Watch!

True Dat

December 21st, 2009
3:23 pm

The uniform policy is worthless if noone is going to enforce it. I was at Lovejoy High School last week in the office. There standing were two teachers, an assistant AD, a few office workers, and an administrator. Walking in and out of the office were kids sagging with shirts untucked. In walks a female student not even close to uniform policy and wearing not even one article of clothing with school colors. As I stood there and watched, not one of the seven who worked for Principal Colbert said a single thing. Not one word to any of them. When I brought it up and asked why they were not enforcing the policy, two of them said to me, “it’s up to the teachers, it’s not our job”.

Talk to the hand

December 21st, 2009
4:22 pm

to Rhonda: So you think these “budding adults” should learn to make their own decisions when It comes to how they dress. That is the problem. They have no idea what is appropriate dress. That is why when they go for a job interview they dress like a “Hoochie Mama’ in tops so revealing that moreis worn at the pink pony. And cutoffs so short that you can see the dimples in their cheeks. not to mention the flip-flops or “I’m a slut shoes” I have seen so many of the people doing the interviews at job fairs just file their applications in the circular file as soon as they leave. The same goes for the guys who dress like gang bangers or thugs. In pants with the crotch hanging down to their knees. Dirty muscle shirts or clothes no self respecting person who was trying to get a job would wear. Apparently their parents hove no clue what is “appropriate dress” Or they would not pay for what these “Budding Adults” are wearing. Thus the school needs to step in and require Uniform dress. They might as well get used to wearing uniforms since they will soon have to wear them in their working environment. (Yo want fries wit dat?)

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 21st, 2009
4:46 pm

I said it last week. The issue with Chief Turner was a diversion. Everyone was up in arms on one side or the other of that issue while this C-Tran mess was going on. We know that the C-Tran is a hot button issue. If it were known that the C-Tran issue was still hanging around I bet you there would have been more people there in opposition.
Mr. Bell needs to know that we are tired of the same old political games. Saying one thing in public while doing the opposite behind closed doors.

Tell The Truth

December 21st, 2009
5:21 pm

If they’re talking about trying to save C-Tran, I will personally give money to each of their opponents. These commissioners better smarten up or find themselves out of a job.

Bob

December 21st, 2009
5:24 pm

If you observe inappropriate dress at the schools – email the principal and the Superintendent on the same email. If the principal thinks someone is watching whether he/she is doing their job, and reporting to the Superintendent, they will be more likely to do their job.

By the way – the uniform dress came in because your little darlings had more of a desire to look prison-thug or hoochie, not as young adults. My child is there to get an education and college, not street cred. Good luck on your kids chances on BET music and videos, one in a milion.

Wole Ralph – please learn to tell the truth. Bell wants all dept heads to report to him – as it was before you helped bring in Cohilas. Ask Mr. Starr what to do next. All delp heads should be treated the same, either report to Cohilas or Bell. Stop with the BS explanations, your ego is showing.

Shannon, M.Div.

December 21st, 2009
5:26 pm

Kimberly, I respectfully disagree with you. I think uniforms do have at least the potential to hurt. The pro-uniform arguments I have seen begin with how terrible the students looked while not following the old dress code. The simple and obvious solution: enforce the dress code. Allow for individuality while maintaining standards. Rhonda is completely correct here; those young adults need both to be treated as young adults and to be trained in appropriate attire.

Other arguments I have seen include the suggestion that uniforms increase discipline. This begs the question, discipline or groupthink? As I’ve said before, this 1992 graduate of Lovejoy High would have fought uniforms with everything I am. I would’ve poured energy into being allowed to wear what I wanted to wear, as long as it was appropriate. Since there weren’t required uniforms, I was able to focus that energy into AP courses, test scores that made me the school’s STAR student, and a college career that includes two masters degrees even as I pursue a doctorate now.

Would it have been the wisest course of action to put energy into fighting uniforms when I should’ve been learning? Of course not, but the human brain isn’t fully matured until age 25. Not only is rebellion is part of the natural order of things, but teenagers also have a built-in BS meter to see when someone’s trying to paint a mural on a trash can. Uniform policy is a mural on a trash can–dangerous schools, decreasing test scores, etc.

Most importantly, the evidence as to the effectiveness of uniforms is inconclusive; peer-reviewed studies have come down on multiple sides of the issue. Since it isn’t a settled question through research, it certainly ought not be policy. Students have enough crap (read: stupid rules) to deal with at their schools without adding even more arbitrary guidelines.

Honestly, if students show up to school on time, don’t flash each other with inappropriate clothing, talk in class only when it’s appropriate, pay attention to their teachers, and do their best to learn something–well, that ought to be quite enough for any school. And if they aren’t doing that, making them wear khaki or navy blue isn’t going to improve any of those things.

Just call me a nonconformist who has NEVER worn a uniform to work and who is extremely proud of that fact! I went on to higher education to avoid just that sort of thing.

SA

December 21st, 2009
6:44 pm

Lovejoy 1992. What I wouldn’t do to have THAT world back.

Carlos

December 21st, 2009
7:12 pm

If this superintendent and board can put the same amount of emphasis on academic rigor, staffing the classes with subject appropriate teachers, books for all students and life skills classes then all of our students will be able to excel.

This obsession with uniforms will not prepare our children for the real world. CCPS is so low on the academic bar. Raise hell about that, call the parents to the school about that. Keep students at their schools for that. Clearly, we do not have the board or superintendent who can help us to become a world class school system yet. Remember election time is coming up.

As for CTRAN let it go!

I Told You So

December 21st, 2009
9:11 pm

You might as well say its 2010 mass transportation is “Simply” good sense even as an emissions decreaser; next a rail system, only common sense. “Protest As One”, we will “WIN” if we get at least 9,000 of our 10,000 protesters to “Act As One” on P-Day. All or None!

Shannon, M.Div.

December 21st, 2009
9:16 pm

Granted, SA–it’s a different world now. My Lovejoy High School didn’t have metal detectors.

Hot Button Issues

December 21st, 2009
9:19 pm

Some of you people will never learn! You can’t have everything your bigotted way all the time. Stop the hate!

Sgt Rock

December 21st, 2009
9:34 pm

Is it possible that the Commissioners will be meeting tomorrow evening, 22 Dec. 2009 at 6 PM to deliver to Chief Jeff Turner an “Adverse Action”?

Is it possible the General Public will turn out to support Chief Jeff Turner at this time???

Isn’t it odd that only a few days ago, the Commission voted to give Honorable Eldrin Bell oversight of the Police Department and now Chief Turner, one of the most effective crime fighters this County has ever seen, will be called before this body???

It is a shame and a sham. We all knew this from the beginning of this so called “restructuring” that there were insidious motives at play and here it is. Effective leadership usurped, a slap in the face of the Citizens, disrespect to the Law Enforcement community in general and the Clayton County Police Department specifically.

Whatcha gonna do Clayton County Citizens?

sjkfd

December 22nd, 2009
12:32 am

I have contacted an attorney about the fascist uniform policy.

NOT AGAIN!

December 22nd, 2009
12:41 am

Secial called BOC meeting tomorrow. Looks like they are going to fire Chief Turner.

Jill

December 22nd, 2009
1:03 am

Good grief, people! Can’t even of you see that all of the shananighans are the manipulations of Wade Starr? Control of the Police Department? Yes, he knows Bell’s weaknesses. He knows that Bell wants this, but that Bell is “Ancient of Days” and won’t be Chairman for too many more years. Then, his coterie of co-conspirators (Wole, Gail, and that other woman) can rule Clayton County with an iron fist, like Josef Stalin in the 1920s and 1930s in the old USSR. Does anyone see this? How elemental. Bell just keeps falling into Wade Starr’s traps. Starr is just smarter than Bell. Bell is playing Chain-gang Checkers while Starr is playing high stakes chess. Starr just uses Cohilas as his “boy” to put another “face” on the political mechanizations. I visit this blog about once every week or two and am amazed at how no one seems to understand what is going on. Quit looking at the outside tapestry and look at all of the cords underneath the rug. That’s where everything is happening. Well, perhaps I did exaggerate the Stalin thing but what about Dick Daley?

Pathetic

December 22nd, 2009
6:08 am

Folks its time to turnout at the BOC meeting tonight and let them know that they can be recalled if necessary! This meeting is an attempt by Wade Starr, and Eldrin to oust Chief Turner.. 6:00pm tonight!

Bob

December 22nd, 2009
8:41 am

Wole Ralph is Wade Starr’s puppet, not Eldrin. Wade is looking to run the county when his protege Wole becomes Chairman. Turner should fear Wole and Wade , not Bell.

Turn around

December 22nd, 2009
8:51 am

My child did not like the implementation of uniform dress, but she hated more having to watch scores upon scores of young men walk the halls of our schools with their jockey underwear showing from their waist to the bottom of their rear end, then their boxer underwear showing from the bottom of their rear end to their knees and then their pants belted at the knees. All the while, holding their pants from falling to the floor with one hand holding their crotch, never letting go, as if it were a security blanket. Go ahead see what your pimp lawyer can come up with. In the meantime, I will check into a sexual harrassment suit. By the way, went your sons go to jail, tell them to be sure to wear those same pants, and wait for their surprise.

kallen

December 22nd, 2009
9:25 am

PUBLIC NOTICE
The Clayton County Board of Commissioners will hold a SPECIAL CALLED MEETING on Tuesday, December 22, 2009, at 6:00 p.m. in the Commissioners’ Conference Room, located at 112 Smith Street/Administration Building in Jonesboro, Georgia. The purpose of this meeting is to discuss personnel issues in Clayton County. An Executive Session will be held as a part of this Special Called Meeting for the purpose of discussing personnel issues. Pursuant to the Open Meetings Act, the public is invited to the Special Called Meeting. Executive Sessions, however, are closed to the public.

Carlos

December 22nd, 2009
9:58 am

If the people only knew, they would be saluting the commissioners for the work that they are doing to keep us safe and improve the quality of life for all Clayton citizens. Do not be fooled by this trickery and keep your eyes open. Turner is an employee, not an elected official and he does not even live in Clayton County, he lives in Henry County. All this crap about Wade Starr is just another attempt to divide the county. Do not fall for it! And if you do not attend the BOC meetings on a regular basis, you have only the AJC and News Daily to inform you of what is going on. They both have a tendency to either get it wrong or be biased. Do not let Willie Lynch continue to live, divide and strive in Clayton County people.

SA

December 22nd, 2009
10:21 am

Now I know Carlos is full of it.

Jill

December 22nd, 2009
12:23 pm

Oh Carlos, you can’t fool a Corleone.

Oh please

December 22nd, 2009
12:26 pm

In response to Shannon, M. Div.

Henry County High 1996. I grew up three miles away from Lovejoy High but because I lived on the other side of the county line I was forced to attend school in McDonough. Lovejoy High had NO dress code throughout the 90’s and it doesn’t sound like they much bother to enforce the county-wide mandated policies now. Your argument that you were a STAR student amid a dress-code lenient environment is not valid against uniform dress policies. ALL schools have STAR students regardless of the enforcement of dress code. The fact of the matter is for every one of you, there were at least 20 or 30 or more other students NOT heading in the same scholarly direction as yourself. Unless every student becomes sucessful entrepreneurs (highly doubtful) at some point in life they will have to report to an authority figure that will dictate how, when, and where they spend their time as well as how to dress. High school is the place where respect for authority is taught; the preparation for adulthood. Life is not fair and neither is high school. Peer pressure is more important to teens than their parents’ concerns. With so many parents not bothering to teach their children what is appropriate, it makes it that much harder for the parents who are. While no one wants to stifle their children’s creativity and sense of individuality, there are other outlets to allow for that than dress and appearance. Let’s teach our children to be less concerned about appearance and focus their passions and energies on the arts.

Progressive African American

December 22nd, 2009
12:26 pm

Politics and organized religion is the best game in town! Let’s face it truth seeking defenders – we have been beat, beat and beat again.

Namaste

Oh please

December 22nd, 2009
12:39 pm

LOL, Turnaround! I have heard that the fashion trend started with jail. If only these little boys pretending to be men knew where the trend started from and what its supposed to mean. Maybe they would be a little less likely to make themselves look so foolish.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm

Would the real elected officials please stand up ?

I’ll be darn, I was laying my bets on Number 3; Jeff Turner.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
2:24 pm

SA “Now I know Carlos is full of it.”

Where’s The Debate ?

Don’t condemn Carlos for disagreeing on your crush on Turner.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
4:14 pm

What is the problem about wearing Uniforms ? One person mentioned preparing the children for the real world. We have uniforms and proper dress codes in all aspects in our society. What is the big deal ?

Pity The Fools in CC

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
4:57 pm

I hope and pray that our county commissioners will find some way to keep our C-Tran Buses. Public Transportation some us less unfortunates have a way to get back and forth. I must asked of you to Help support our public transportation in this county; please.

SA

December 22nd, 2009
5:55 pm

If the people only knew. Do not be fooled by this trickery. Do not fall for it! Willie Lynch. Sounds pretty much like a snake-oil salesman. Nothing to debate.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
6:32 pm

“Nothing to debate.”

Do you know what Debate means ?

Look it up.

Pity The Fool

Jonesboro

December 22nd, 2009
6:41 pm

I feel for the C-Tran bus riders…….but C-Tran needs to go…its underutilized, expensive and trashy…look at fayette and henry…they don’t have it and the people do just fine and theose counties are 10 times better than Clayton.
Maybe people can start van pools…spark some new business.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
6:42 pm

Jeff Turner : Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock, Tick

Pity The Fool

Jonesboro

December 22nd, 2009
6:43 pm

How many terms can a commissioner serve? Eldrin is on his 2nd….please don’t re-elect him. He only won because they didn’t want Lee Scott to win…Bell was the lesser of the two evils.
We need balance in Clayton…we need a better mix and class of citizen to reside here..PERIOD. Thats the only way to improve the county

Jonesboro

December 22nd, 2009
6:55 pm

Carlos made a good point..THE PUSH SHOULD BE TOWARDS ACADEMIC RIGOR. The uniforms are a good idea…those who don’t like them are the type to dress too sexy for work…go to Kroger in their pajamas and house slippers….and definitely the pant saggers.

ITS A DAMN SHAME STUDENTS ORGANIZE TO FIGHT UNIFORMS BUT WONT ORGANIZE TO FIGHT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE LOWEST TEST SCORES IN METRO ATLANTA….IS ANYBODY LISTENING

Jonesboro

December 22nd, 2009
6:58 pm

Voting the BOC out wont help unless you have a viable opponent to replace them…some of these people run unopposed. A lot of people don’t vote so it doesn’t take a lot to win an election….two mega churches might secure it. Put a good candidate up…preferably someone who isn’t from the usual CC mix.

NOT AGAIN!

December 22nd, 2009
7:06 pm

RECALL: Wole Ralph
RECALL: Sonia Singleton
RECALL: Gail Hambrick

I Told You So

December 22nd, 2009
9:01 pm

Are you “Serious” pink clowns like “NOT AGAIN” and his other lemmings running around screaming “RECALL” “Again Are You Serious”! You pinkos couldn’t even get those old final four BOE members recalled. You better go see Sonny again to remove them! Hahahaha!!! Or leave the county!

Whimper from Fayetteville

December 22nd, 2009
9:18 pm

I wonder with all the school system issues in Clayton County that affect a teacher’s ability to teach and appropriately manage classrooms, why MACE and Trotter aren’t backing Clayton teachers for better teaching conditions. I guess the lion’s roar from Fayetteville is now a whimper and the King of the Jungle is sitting in Fayetteville with its tail between its legs.

Pathetic

December 22nd, 2009
10:04 pm

GREAT IDEA! PLAY TIME IS OVER!
RECALL: Wole Ralph
RECALL: Sonia Singleton
RECALL: Gail Hambrick

Fed Up

December 22nd, 2009
10:32 pm

RECALL these idiots. and if Bell and Edmundson cannot grow some balls – then get rid of them too. This is nothing but gutter politics. Look at those involved and you understand why. Congratulations BOC – you have Clayton back in the news – just like old times. The news is saying – look at those fools down there – they are at it again. I cannot believe these BOC fools are pulling this – ” it has come to our attention” BS. If there were issues – then why didn’t Wole’s (Wade Starr’s) handpicked Cohilas do anything to make changes to remedy them. Is Cohilas’ only job to kiss the rear ends of these 3 moron, idiot, commissioners,who gave him the position, Wole, Gail and Sonia – don’t forget Wade too. You all had a chance to bring our county forward, but you give more ammunition to those who say Clayton is a laughingstock for these stupid petty political dealings. We deserve better, where can we find people who really what to work for the betterment of the county and not for their own egos and the enrichment of their friends. Wole Ralph, Sonia Singleton, Gail Hambrick – you are all a great disappointment. Someone should teach you all what real public service is, because what you are doing – IS NOT. Enjoy your term – it will be your last.

Resolute

December 22nd, 2009
10:36 pm

Chief Turner for Commission Chairman!!!! He would kick Wole’s butt 3 to 1.

oldtimer

December 22nd, 2009
10:36 pm

After my husband had a 35 year career in the south metro area and had known Jeff Turner since he was a yooung man…He has been done dirty. he has done a good job and many respect him….I say recall the board.

Carlos

December 22nd, 2009
10:41 pm

Not Again and Pathetic recall these people for what? You can not get citizens to attend a meeting to understand the process. Come up with a real strategy please.

Pity The Fools In CC

December 22nd, 2009
10:42 pm

RECALL: Wole Ralph
RECALL: Sonia Singleton
RECALL: Gail Hambrick

A Recall Takes More Than Two Signatures.

“Put a good candidate up…preferably someone who isn’t from the usual CC mix.”

I have a much better idea; Elect People from another county, and the let the voters from that same county do the voting.

Pity The Fools

Carlos

December 22nd, 2009
10:47 pm

Resolute, Turner does not live in Clayton County.

oldtimer

December 22nd, 2009
10:49 pm

I am sorry to here about Turner….I think he did a god job.