Chairman takes reins over CCPD

Recently our Board of Commissioners voted that Chairman Eldrin Bell should manage the Clayton County Police Department, causing it to be the only one that will not report to county Chief of Staff Alex Cohilas.

As per the Clayton News-Daily, this resolution “. . . gives the chairman the ability to make all decisions concerning operation and management of the police department, as well as the unilateral ability to hire and fire the police chief”.

Although this move was opposed by Bell (as well as Commissioner Michael Edmondson), it kind of makes sense since the CCPD could take advantage of the Chairman’s experience (as Atlanta’s police commissioner) supposedly without usurping Chief Jeff Turner’s authority. Perhaps some issues could get resolved faster by dealing directly with Bell instead of waiting to be brought before the full BOC.

But aside from his claim that this move violates state law, Bell doesn’t believe he has the resources to manage the CCPD properly anyway. And what doesn’t make sense is after finally getting the Chief of Staff position in place, why change the guard now? Despite all of that, residents who support Chief Turner are concerned that this is a subtle way to begin the process of ousting him. Stay tuned.

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In addition, the CCPD is trying to get accredited by CALEA, and could use some public support. Residents can offer comments to the assessment team during a public information session happening at 5:30 p.m. today at CCP headquarters (7911 N. McDonough Street, Jonesboro) and/or via telephone (770-477-3918) between 1 PM and 3 PM.

Finally, our BOC will meet with the Clayton County Legislative Delegation in a Roundtable session tonight at 6  p.m. in Room 101 of the Clayton State University Center for Continuing Education (2000 Clayton State Boulevard, Morrow) to discuss county priority items to be presented in the 2010 Georgia General Assembly.  Citizens are encouraged to attend.

151 comments Add your comment

Noah Dearborn

December 14th, 2009
10:38 am

Seriously? Everything about this smells.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
11:02 am

Boot Turner.

Yeah, okay

December 14th, 2009
11:03 am

Everybody knows Eldrin doesn’t like Turner and never has. Turner should start looking for a new gig, he’s toast.

Peggy Sue Davis

December 14th, 2009
11:19 am

I heard that if Bell fires Turner, Victor Hill might be a possible replacement candidiate…

oldtimer

December 14th, 2009
11:38 am

Jeff turner is doing a good job. I have heard this is to take Cohilas out of the loop. Which is probably a good move. Bell does not need more resources to do this. Just let thechief do his job. He does not need micromanaging.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
11:57 am

Turner has a very bad attitude about the law abiding citizens in this county. You need to ask Turner why he posted armed policemen on the C-Tran Buses in the wake of the Governor signing HB 89 into law. Turner is just like his pal Victor Hill, when it comes to the citizens in this county.

Nemesis

December 14th, 2009
12:59 pm

I think that Turner is doing a good job, with what he has to work with. As for this deal with Bell. It smells to high heaven. I think it is a way to get rid of both Bell and Turner. But will end up in more lawsuits that will cast we the taxpayers more.
As for Double Actions heat toward Turner I have no idea what that is all about for sure but I have my own private thoughts on that. I just know for certain that Turners name is just one of a few that can turn Double Action in to a stark, raving, foaming at the mouth, lunatic.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
1:34 pm

Nemesis; (Nospin) You would by keeping up in the state laws in this county, instead of relying on hearsay. I take offense of people treading on my lawful rights in this county. It may not upset you, that’s probably the reason you cry all time, about doing nothing to safe guard your rights.Turner is a paid servant of this county, nothing more and nothing less; and I don’t remember him being on my voting ballot.

You might call me names, but who the coward ?

40 year County resident

December 14th, 2009
1:39 pm

Fire the entire Board of Commissioners

40 year County resident

December 14th, 2009
1:41 pm

Including Chairman de facto Wade Starr

Yeah, okay

December 14th, 2009
1:46 pm

I hope Clayton residents are paying attention. This is either a smart move or an underhanded one of some sort. This is how the county gets trashed and homeowning taxpayers end up footing the bill fo runnecessary lawsuits by former employees/elected officials. Not sure what’s going on here, but it doesn’t sound right. Wake up Clayton county because if this comes back to bite us somebody needs to be fired/recalled/never elected again.

Life

December 14th, 2009
2:22 pm

Chief Turner is doing a fantastic job with CCPD. He is always professional and has cleaned up Clayton County. Anyone would be blessed to have him as a leader. He has many supporters and nothing to worry about.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
2:27 pm

Condoning Dictatorships is not my idea of picking those who will voice their opinion about our State and Federal Laws, according to their interpretations. We should have the protection of people who are appointed to their positions, especially those with power to change the way our laws are administered.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
2:38 pm

“I think it is a way to get rid of both Bell and Turner.”

Nemesis(Nospin); Eldrin Bell is an elected official of this county; Jeff Turner is not.

Yeah, okay

December 14th, 2009
3:01 pm

By the way, I agree that Jeff Turner is doing a great job considering what he’s got to work with.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
3:07 pm

“By the way, I agree that Jeff Turner is doing a great job considering what he’s got to work with.”

That sounds like an excuse, to me.

Big Earl

December 14th, 2009
3:27 pm

This isn’t about Eldrin getting rid of Chief Turner. Eldrin voted against it. The two get along well. This is about Wole Ralph getting Chief Turner under his thumb. Wole Ralph(Wade Starr stand-in) thinks he is the next Commission Chairman and wants that say so over the CCPD.

Chief Turner is good for this county – and Lil Vic isn’t fit to shine Turner’s shoes.

Rev Billy Bob

December 14th, 2009
3:30 pm

Hey Kimberly – how come the blog- “1500 suspensions is closed” – accepting no comments..

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
3:38 pm

I can only hope and trust that our elected officials will do the right thing to turn this county around.In regards to our safety in this county; We deserve a lot better than we have been getting.

Jonesboro

December 14th, 2009
4:16 pm

Bell can’t fire Turner…it’ll be ab immediate lawsuit..just like Bell suing the commisioner or Tuggle suing Hill…more bad press blah blah more of the same. I’m working on a 3 yr plan to get out of this county.
@Double action..People make a county safe…not the police…..how can you be safe with a bunch ow low lifes at every corner….get rid of the low lifes..you will then have a safe county.

Jonesboro

December 14th, 2009
4:18 pm

Eldring Bell has the expeience? Do you all know his reputation as Atlanta Police Chief? IT WAS HORRIBLE!!!!!!! Clayton County hires the worst people consistently…they hired the guy from MARTA who was soliciting sex in an airport bathroom for crying out lound………..

Jonesboro

December 14th, 2009
4:20 pm

Wole Ralph…what has he done again? He’s young and forward thinking, but not an independent thinker……..get someone from Fayette or Cobb…someone with a track record of developing good counties to take the wheel.

Jonesboro

December 14th, 2009
4:23 pm

Only people in CC would say Chief Turner is so great when his own son is out robbing people LOL You all are so dumb sometimes lol

He’s ok at policing….but its not the police who are the issue…its the loser citizens that make up riverdale, college park, forest park and the trailer parks……the real crime beds of the city

Jonesboro

December 14th, 2009
4:25 pm

How do you legally get rid of the section 8 losers in the county…why don’t they live in fayetteville or stockbridge OR MCDONOUGH in such large amounts? DO WHAT THOSE COUNTIES DO AND YOU’LL HAVE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.

Jackie

December 14th, 2009
7:46 pm

I agree with Jonesboro. Some of the section 8 renters in CC are pathetic. That is why the schools are horrible. Send them back to ATL or Decatur.

Happy officer

December 14th, 2009
7:59 pm

Well if you never worked for Chief Turner then you would not have an idea on how good of a chief Clayton County has.Since Chief Turner took office, i noticed a great change in the police department. I dont know of many Chief’s that would sit down with you and hear you. Chief Turner comes to the roll call and want to know how his troops are feeling. Chief Turner is all about making the citizens of Clayton County happier and safe. Clayton County better be happy they have a chief that is hands on because if he leaves then im leaving!!!!

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
8:24 pm

Jeff Turner, aka “Chief” of the Clayton County Police Department, uses a broad brush to paint the State Firearm Licensed permit holders with those are nothing but common robbers, murderous thugs, gang bangers, rapists, and known criminals.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
9:39 pm

Happy Officer; You are exempt for requiring a Firearms License in order to carry a weapon, for self defense and personal protection. I don’t see how you can happy with all the senseless killings and robberies going on in this county,while you’re only concern is your happiness.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
9:46 pm

Happy Officer; You are exempt for requiring a Firearms License in order to carry a weapon, for self defense and personal protection. I don’t see how you can be happy with all the senseless killings and robberies going on in this county,while you’re only concern is your happiness. Isn’t that kinda selfish of you ?

TheWraithe

December 14th, 2009
10:23 pm

SingleAction is a senile old man. Get off Turner’s jock. Are you gay or something?

Domino Effect

December 14th, 2009
10:27 pm

All you whiners get what you rightly deserve! First you brought Elgart to your churches to tell him to destory your school system to get rid of some elected officials and paid millions to publicize it by mass media. All of which made you look “BAD”. Somewhere along the line Elgrin sued the rest of the commission, looks “BAD”. Now you got the worst “Property Tax vs Property Value ratio in the metro. Now this CCPD thing! All you pink poker whiners get what you rightly deserve!

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
10:33 pm

Happy Officer; You’re exempt for requiring a Firearms License in order to carry a weapon, for self defense and personal protection. I don’t see how you can be happy with all the senseless killings and robberies going on in this county,while you’re only concern is your happiness. Isn’t that kinda selfish of you ?

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
10:37 pm

Happy officer : “Well if you never worked for Chief Turner”

You work for the Clayton County Police Department and it’s citizens.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
10:44 pm

To “TheWraithe”; We can do without the “Jeff Turner Cheering Squad”, from the Boot Forum.

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
11:19 pm

What ever happened to Public Safety, when The Chief of The Police opposes our right to self defense, personal protection, our State & Federal Laws, and The U.S. Constitution ?

DoubleAction

December 14th, 2009
11:43 pm

“Finally, our BOC will meet with the Clayton County Legislative Delegation in a Roundtable session”

And How I Can Forget Our Legislative Branch From Clayton County, on our Public Safety issues.

Castle Law : SB 396 – Crimes; person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; provide immunity from prosecution

I’m sure you’ll recognize a few other names Voted NO from Clayton County

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm)

The Georgia Senate Votes

Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm)

HB 89

The Current Version

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm)

The House Votes

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm)

The Senate Votes

Again : Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.ht

The Jackson Five

December 14th, 2009
11:49 pm

Tonight’s Clayton Capitol delegation and BOC meeting was boring because, like only 10 people present and like, we have 30,000+ home owners in this County. Pathetic!

My American Hero

December 14th, 2009
11:53 pm

Go away lil DA (disturbed @.. Grown-ups only here! Cartoon Network is on, now run along…

Superiority Complex

December 15th, 2009
12:19 am

The plutocrats started the demise of the county with the old CCBOE removal! Now they fell the power of massive mass media effect when they didn’t create it. WOW! what a difference a year makes! Even the rich chicken man can’t save them! Sinking fast I know the way out! Start Really Thinking!

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:46 am

My American Hero

December 14th, 2009
11:53 pm
“Go away lil DA (disturbed @.. Grown-ups only here! Cartoon Network is on, now run along…”

I reckon that also includes you ?

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:49 am

Now we know why the rest of the State is laughing at us; All you have to do is read the AJC Vent pages.

i like to watch

December 15th, 2009
8:31 am

blame everything on the plutocrats. hey what about the 57+illegal meetings of the plutocrats?

there you go

December 15th, 2009
10:09 am

To DA – just what did Turner do to you for your unreasonable hate ot him.

Peggy Sue Davis

December 15th, 2009
3:11 pm

Kim,

Yesterday, I called 770-477-3918 at 2:18 pm to comment positively for the CCPD to CALEA, and the number had been disconnected.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
3:33 pm

there you go

December 15th, 2009
10:09 am
“To DA – just what did Turner do to you for your unreasonable hate ot him.”

Hate ? I don’t hate anyone, Turner is opposed to my rights to self defense, self protection, and the State Laws of Georgia. If you could keep up with news in the county, you would have known this.

Huh?

December 15th, 2009
3:42 pm

Don’t know if the end game is to get rid of Chief Turner and I hope not because he’s doing a good job. But something stinks in this whole scenario, alll we can really do is watch and wait for stuff to start hitting the fan.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
3:52 pm

We have to change to way these County Officials respect our rights as law abiding citizens; That is simple, and there is not another way to put it.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
3:58 pm

We have to change the way our County Officials respect our rights as Law Abiding Citizens in this county; That is simple, and theres no other way to put it.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
4:02 pm

Is it’s asking too much ?

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
4:21 pm

Now, I must ask of you, How many of Elected Officials and County Employees supports your rights as Law Abiding Citizens in this County ? Not a single one.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
4:30 pm

As of today, 88% percent of the readers believe that Jeff Turner should be allowed a free reign over this county. That is Shameful, to say the least. It’s no wonder that this county having problems.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:06 pm

Would you please do the math. How many Officers have Killed from protecting human life in this county, from The Clayton County Police Department ?

http://www.odmp.org/agency/721-clayton-county-police-department-georgia

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:10 pm

Would you please do the math. How many Officers have Killed from protecting human life in this county, from The Clayton County Police Department ?

http://www.odmp.org/agency/721-clayton-county-police-department-georgia

Our Self Defense relies on our own initiative to exist in this county.

there you go

December 15th, 2009
5:10 pm

DA – I wonder what in your experiences has led you to this great mistrust for Turner. I know him as a good man working for the betterment of the county. Never has he advocated undoing of citizens rights. Most of which he has no say so over anyway.

Rev Billy Bob

December 15th, 2009
5:14 pm

Glen D and John T – where are you? The demise of the county was help along by the BOE 8 years ago with the 4 horsewomwn of the apocalyspe – then the NH BOE – nothing to do with Plutocrats – just dumb followers of the aforementioned.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:21 pm

there you go; He opposes my rights to exist under the laws of this State and the County where I live.
If you keep up with Turner, you would already know this.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:52 pm

There you go: Jeff Turner “So many people want to carry a gun for safety, but they don’t want to take the time to train how to properly use a handgun, so that presents a higher safety risk,”
“I really wish they would have not passed that law,” said Turner. “I think it’s going to make our job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets.”

This in regards to the State Firearms License holders and after the Governor signed HB 98 into law. Turner proceeded to assign armed policemen to the C-Tran Buses to protect the riders.Up until then, he wasn’t concerned with thugs carry gun, just the Law Abiding citizens with State Issued Firearm Licenses.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
6:20 pm

How many of you voted for Jeff Turner as your Chief of Police in Clayton County ? Is he a Constitutional Officer in this County ? Is he exempt from being replaced ? Should he be allowed voice his opinion on State Laws to the media ?

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
6:39 pm

Jeff Turner has a problem with running off with his mouth to the new media; That where he spilled the beans about his true colors. Up until then, I was very fond of having Turner as The Chief of Police in Clayton County.

Mama Says

December 15th, 2009
6:42 pm

Ok, folks, let’s look at the facts.

First Off Bell was chairman when Turner was hired–so there goes the Bell hates Turner issue (although they have had problems of late).

Secondly–Turner is no saint. He has bluffed his way to a positive public image by way of dedicating his resorces to public appearence duties rather than real police duties (a perfect example of his mindset was changing the beat system in an effort to imply more police coverage without actually giving it. Going from 12 beats per district with 10 officers to 20 beats per district with 10 officers–you are still short on actual coverage but you can tell folks that you made their area into a beat of it’s own (politics).

Third—Bell cannot be accessed because he was a Chief. Only one person can run a business, department or team, more than that creates diverging goals and ego battles. If there are those who want Turner gone then fire him and hire another but don;t think your solving anything by micro -managing.

Fourth–The commission should hire a chief and get out of law enforcement—they are not professionals and have not gone through the mandatory training police, in general, nor Chiefs in particular go through. The board is made up of private citizens, which in most circumstances, have no law enforcement knowledge. They can’t tell you the difference between a harassing Phone call and a terroristic threat. Police don’t go to banks and tell them how to count money !

Fifth—I have worked with Victor Hill and Turner. Turner is no Victor Hill—-Turner really believes the world would be better if he had complete control, Victor just bluffed you.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
7:16 pm

I seriously doubt that things going to change this county, if Turner was to be relieved of his duties as Chief; because the wheels has already been put into place for making this county completely independent from the rest of the State.

i like to watch, can't see

December 15th, 2009
10:19 pm

A former GBI medical examiner investigator pleaded guilty in Clayton County this morning on charges of vehicular homicide Kellie Bennett pleaded guilty to first-degree vehicular homicide under the first offender statute, Clayton County District Attorney Tracy Graham Lawson told the AJC. A superior court judge sentenced her to five years of probation, $1,000 fine, defensive driving school and 10 speaking engagements at police academies or to youth groups in Georgia, Lawson said. The judge also ordered her to write a letter of apology to the victim’s family. She did apologize in court this morning, Lawson said. Bennett was arrested following a crash in December 2008 that injured Robert James. James died on January 9.Investigators said Bennett, a civilian employee, was flashing the overhead lights on her patrol car and was using her siren, which was against GBI orders. The GBI said she was terminated. She was indicted on vehicular homicide and reckless driving in July, according to court records. However, Clayton’s elected officials let her go free, only prosecute and sentence blacks. Then they wonder why we still cheer for Mike Vick! Not justice, just us in prison!

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
11:24 pm

Having those citizens, who would rather keep their head buried in the sand, don’t help too much. This County serves it’s attentive purposes , for Section 8 recipients, The Homeless, The Distribution of Illegal Drugs, Crime, and crooked politicians.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
11:43 pm

there you go

“I know him as a good man working for the betterment of the county”

It’s part of Jeff Turner’s job to make you feel this way about him, after all, he is the Chief of Police in Clayton County.

raja

December 15th, 2009
11:50 pm

DoubleAction

Kimberly might have to ban you just like the Give-em-the-boot.

No to Patterson, No to Hill

December 16th, 2009
12:26 am

RE: Tonight’s BOC Meeting

Hey, the BOC is now its own Finance Corp (and that is needed, how?). So, they now have even more power and control over our $$$$. I wonder if this now conseals public inquiry and reporting requirements, lol.

Next, the Commissioners again pander to Clayton’s lowest resident denominator by affirming to extend C-Tran/MARTA until JUNE 30, 2009. CTran was scheduled to END March 31, 2010, but they (BELL) went back to MARTA and agreed to use their stimulus funds to extend CTran. Since they are at least Constitutionally barred from using tax $$ to fund CTran (they can only use non-county $$ and/or county building permit fees, re-zoining fees, etc), the BOC votes to again to fund an $8 million dollar money pit. Cut these leaches off!

Now for public comment. Only 5 people signed up (BAD)!

A lady went first in support of Chief Turner. She presented facts about the lowered crime rate, community policing, and the responsiveness of Chief J. Turner. As she was pointing out certain documented facts and addressing BOC members by name, Mr. Bell RUDELY cuts her off (instead of usually ignoring citizens anyway or talking). The lady was just trying to make a point by addressing Gail Hambrick (who was too busy talking) and Bell again disrespects a citizen. Next up was the police union rep was eloquently enumerated the role of Chief and proper management.

The 3rd person was a returning resident speaking about change in the county due to Ctran, etc, 4th was a Marta supporter, and the 5th a CCPD supporter.

Few citizens in attendence and commenting. That is why the County suffers – as it is said: You get what you pay/put effort in for. This county will never get better until more citizens get involved/better people elected.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:37 am

raja: DoubleAction

“Kimberly might have to ban you just like the Give-em-the-boot”

Why ? You don’t know why I was banned from The Boot; I don’t think anyone knows, including myself.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:46 am

raja; Without me, The Boot Forum no longer exist. They called me back three times to boost the activity.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
1:20 am

I Apologize; My Aphasias is acting up again.

raja; What do You have as a contribution to this topic ?

raja

December 16th, 2009
8:36 am

DoubleAction

I think you’re wrong about the chief. He may not share your view on gun control but he does a good job. Far as this topic goes; I agree with everyone else someone wants Turner gone so they’re carefully orchestrating their moves to make it happen.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
9:18 am

raja; “He may not share your view on gun control but he does a good job”

Raja; Have ever heard of The Second Amendment to The U.S. Constitution and Georgia’s HB 89 and SB 396 ? This is not a popularity contest about who is the most popular Chief on the block; This is about rights to live as a free society. I treasure my freedom and I take nothing for granite.

Straight No Chaser

December 16th, 2009
9:27 am

To DoubleAction.

I commend your passion concerning the 2nd Amendment. Where you are blinded by your passion is that Turner DOESN’T MAKE ANY LAWS!! Do you compute that? Who cares what he says. He can have all the personal opinions he wants about people legally carrying guns on buses, parks, etc. If there is a law allowing citizens to carry guns then he bound by law to uphold the law. If you have any issues concerning obtaining gun permits then take it up with the probate court not Turner.

Charlton Heston please give it a rest.

Turn around

December 16th, 2009
9:31 am

I have “kept up” with all things – Clayton County – for more than 15 years. In that time – Turner has been one of the few stand-up good public servants. Turner has always been media savvy and nothing like the little guy Sheriff. It is not perception – I know Chief Turner. I feel sorry for you and the way this eats at you. “The right to exist – You are looney-tunes. I am still not clear – do you think Turner does not want you to protect yourself? He can do nothing about your ability to protect your home and property – and he has no power over a personal “right to carry” issue. What gives? besides you with your rants.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
9:32 am

” think you’re wrong about the chief. He may not share your view on gun control but he does a good job”

What is wrong with my views ? A lot people have died so that you and I could have the freedoms that sometime take for granite. I respect the rights that we have in this country. This not about a popularity contest, it’s about our rights under The U.S. Constitution and The State Laws of Georgia. If I was wrong for not bending over backwards for Jeff Turner; I had rather be wrong.

Let's think about this for a moment ...

December 16th, 2009
10:34 am

Imagine if your employment was threatened (or you straight lost your job) every time someone didn’t agree with your opinion on any given topic. We’d all be UNemployed!

Thank GOD for freedom of speech and thought, and that the majority aren’t as narrow minded as some on this blog. At least I hope not! Chief Turner’s job SHOULD NOT be in jeopardy based on your opinion about gun control. He’s done a good job, let’s focus on the good instead of the insane (Doubleaction)

jonesboro

December 16th, 2009
11:08 am

You IDIOTS!!!!! Do you think after all the press a allegations of the move being personally montivated that Bell can really fire Turner without a lawsuit and further backlash?

He can’t. Although CC is a diaper stain for leadership I doubt that such an obvious move can be made without recourse. With that being said, lets get a new topic to discuss that has relevance..namely economic development, options to the schools here and how increase property values.

If you own a home..rent it out to someone and move to another and better county and pay rent there.

Retired LEO

December 16th, 2009
11:23 am

Among all the many perspectives on the matter of Bell assuming control of the police department is one that I see particularly close to being on point. I too am of the opinion that Bell has been force fed this matter to further reveal his ineptitude. It’s not a play to pit him and Turner against one another; nor is it an effort to begin a process of ousting Turner in favor of a new “favorite son” or crony in the near future. Bell will become the scapegoat of anything and everything that goes wrong at the police department. And, anyone who knows anything at all about law enforcement knows that it’s not a matter of if something will happen but rather when and how bad. It’s the nature of the business. I think it’s a pity that the Board feels it must take matters into their own hands when the voting public already feels that Bell is just simply not up to the job anymore (may have been at one time but no longer). Oh well, more of the same old stuff.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:40 am

Let think about the a moment; I have thought about it, and Jeff Turner should not have a say so about the rights of the citizens. His only job should be to Serve & Protect the Publics Safety. Al Gore lost the Presidential election because of his opinions on the so called “Gun Control”. Where I come from, We call it “People Control”.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:41 am

Let think about the a moment; I have thought about it, and Jeff Turner should not have a say so about the rights of the citizens. His only job should be to Serve & Protect the Publics Safety. What is “Gun Control ?” Where I come from, We call it “People Control”.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:53 am

Turn around ; You know very little, I can see that.Ignorance is something that you cannot see in your mirror.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:56 am

Let’s think about this for a moment …

“your opinion about gun control”.

I have no opinion about gun control; Where I come from, We call it “People Control”.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:17 pm

Straight No Chaser; You’re not in the position to give me advice. I’ve been living in this county since 1961 and I went to the Probate Court with my Father, in Jonesboro, when I was only 9 years old.

Why did Turner post armed policemen on the C-Tran Buses, right after HB 89 was signed into Law by the Governor ?

Because Turner voiced his opinion about having too many weapons on our streets, his safety concerns because of the lack of training, and he posted the police on the buses. I heard the same thing out of Victor Hill about the same House Bill, and he gave the same answer.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:30 pm

What is this; Pick on DoubleAction Day ?

Turn around

December 16th, 2009
12:34 pm

Generalities – you can do better than that. You really could use a little therapy. One problem is we do not know your views – other than that you have a problem with the Chief and that you have a lot of time on your hands to blog incessently.

By the way – Ignorance is something that I can see in this blog.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:52 pm

Turn around :”By the way – Ignorance is something that I can see in this blog.”

I have agree on that. About the Therapy; Do you know what a Stroke is ? About Aphasias ? Don’t make fun about things that you fail to understand. I believe that I am doing quite well, considering my disabilities.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
1:13 pm

If Ms. Allen would allow me the privilege; I would like everyone to be my guests on my website. I know that we could be friends in a different environment, and cease with all these political indifferences.Boot members are also Welcome to joining in.

http://handgunforum.proboards.com/index.cgi

JJ

December 16th, 2009
2:25 pm

I have a feeling you are alot more capable and cognizant than most of us here. God bless.

Hmmm....

December 16th, 2009
2:39 pm

70 plus posts with 20-30 from the same person. That’s more like scary stalker than capable and cognizant.

GET IT TOGETHER CLAYCO

December 16th, 2009
3:38 pm

IF YOU THINK DRUGS ARE IN CLAYTON CO,WAIT UNTIL CHIEF BELL TAKES OVER,REMEMBER PEOPLE HE WAS THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ATLANTA,GA HE FLOODED THE CITY WITH DRUGS,WATCH THE SPIKE IN DRUGS ONCE HE GETS CONTROL!

GET IT TOGETHER CLAYCO

December 16th, 2009
3:40 pm

JEFF TURNER YOU ARE THE NEW VICTOR HILL!

Mama says

December 16th, 2009
7:22 pm

Anyone who thinks Turner “worked” his way up in the department have simply chosen to ignore the facts surrounding each of his promotions. Nor have they ever been the victim in a case he “investigated”

If you did any research it would be clear that he sued or threatened to sue at each “step up” he made (finished 47th on an open book Sgt’s test but filed discrimination suit when he was not in the first 14 promoted). Then chief Ronnie Clackum agreed to promote # 23 # 47, 53 and 79 before he went back up to the top of the list, by then the list had expired and a retest was given. This time there were 3 categories “Highly qualified”, “qualified” and “not qualified” Promotions had to be made out of the Highly qualified bracket first BUT Clackum could pick who he promoted out of the top 3. # 3 could be promoted before #1 and so on, # 4 then filled the spot left by # 3—conceivably # 1 may have never been promoted. Turner finished 47th on an open book test and is now the police chief, and at the same time undermined the Departments ability to promote the best on the job. Good job folks ! Now turn around and demand competent service, like you care.

Also a short conversation with him as a detective would have shown you that his attitude was at the best rude, incompetent and uncaring at it’s worse. That part is of course just my belief.

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 16th, 2009
10:52 pm

Double Action, I have agreed with you many times but on this one you are totally off base. Armed Officers were placed on C-Tran buses at the request of C-Tran operators who were afraid for their safety. Officers were directed first to follow C-Tran in patrol vehicles to make sure nothing occurred and then they were placed on the buses. I have mentioned this fact before.
Chief Turner has done many things the correct way. He has placed Officers in positions to more effectively fight crime in the County. Citizens are given a direct line to communicate with Chief Turner at community meetings when his cell number is given to each member in attendance. Never before in this county have I seen the Chief of Police do anything like that in fact most before have been almost unapproachable.
This deal was done behind closed doors with no advanced notice. I believe it was done so to prevent the citizens of the community from voicing their opinions on this issue. I can not help but to believe that the other commissioners are setting Eldrin up to take the fall when he attempts to remove Chief Turner from the position. Eldrin has been asking for this for the longest. He has attempted to micromanage the department since he has been in office.
Ask yourself how many times has he “told” the department what to do… from take home cars to creating specialized units. I don’t think the community is going to stand for any more of Eldrin’s grandstanding.

i like to watch, can't see

December 16th, 2009
10:53 pm

i like to watch, can’t see! Well, Well, Well! The rich and powerful are getting what they deserve. They ballot box pamper, voter rigged, ballot stuffed, and bribed the election officials to get Bell reelected now they reap what they sow; an old senile old man in charge of CCPD; karma could be any better! The plutocrats started destorying the school system, now the Police Department. Plutocrat created Plutocrat approved! Look like some pink folk should abandon their houses and run to a more rural county. Clayton won’t change until the year 2020, by then all the old plutocrats will be dead! All the sins of you and your forefathers are catching up with you! Ha,Ha,Ha,hahahaha!

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
12:16 am

Thank You JJ.

“Hmmm….That’s more like scary stalker than capable and cognizant.”

Who’s Counting ? Only one person I know would go to so much trouble of counting my posts. And what have you contributed to this topic ?

Your Fears of me are totally unwarranted and it’s only a ploy to scare off others. Those with disabilities accept challenges on a daily basis. No hard feelings.

http://handgunforum.proboards.com/index.cgi

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
12:24 am

Hmmm….

December 16th, 2009
2:39 pm
“70 plus posts with 20-30 from the same person. That’s more like scary stalker than capable and cognizant.”

What have you contributed to this topic, other that expressing your envy and fears about me ?

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
7:54 am

Straight No Chaser ; Answer one question; Why did Turner post armed county police on the C-Tran Buses after Governor signed off a HB 89 ? Why not before then ?

I don’t appreciate your hostility or patronizing my principles.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
8:11 am

Much of you have criticized and patronized me for my principles , with overwhelming hostility about Jeff Turner. My only hope for this county is that we can live free without fear of persecution.

Disarming Hatred

December 17th, 2009
9:46 am

DoubleAction: Why did Turner post armed policemen on the C-Tran Buses, right after HB 89 was signed into Law by the Governor ?

Hmmm! Last time I checked, Police Officers are P.O.S.T Certify to carry a weapon. It’s obviously that you don’t attend our Clayton County Commissioners Meetings. If so, you would know that some residents went on public comment to say that, They were having some individuals who were starting fights and committing robberies on the busses. So it is really unfortunate that you have so much to say with so little facts. As you said: His only job should be to Serve & Protect the Publics Safety. I believe thats what they (Police) were doing on the busses.

Jborodawg

December 17th, 2009
10:26 am

I haven’t seen many comments about the BOC as a whole; and why they would pass this “ruling”. Kim, you say, “…this move was opposed by Bell …as well as…Edmondson…” But the news articles say it was Bell and Ralph who opposed.

Under Chief Turner’s watch, the CCPD just received one of the highest certifications available. He seems transparent dealing with the public. The CCPD as a whole seems to favor him as their leader. Be that as it may, it is a terrible idea for the BOC and the Chairman to try to micro-manage a department; we know what happened with our schools when the BOE tried that. We pay department heads and the Chief of Staff very well; we should let them do their jobs. Politicians have no place trying to run a department.

BTW, Bell got re-elected because no one of consequence ran against him. And, BTW, what did Bell do in ATL to get ousted? Was he fired or ‘forced’ out? If you answer, please be specific; name calling and invectives aren’t helpful.

DoubleAction: What are the specifics of your charges against Turner concerning gun control, violating citizens rights, etc? FYI: I believe the majority of police chiefs and sheriffs in the country are FOR gun control. I don’t have a real statistic; it’s just that every time I read or see a story on gun control, a chief or sheriff seems to be for it. It seems to be in the law enforcement community’s best interest to not have more guns around. Don’t get me wrong; I’m a firm believer in our right to bear arms. I’m just saying most of law enforcement is for gun control; and probably Turner too.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:18 am

jimmy (conservative brother); Jimmy; It was only after the Governor signed into Law HB 89, That Turner did anything to place armed police on the C-Tran Buses. Turner’s response to new law is we already have too many guns on our streets,and Turner stated that it’s going to make thier job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets. This was in response to having Abiding Citizens with State Firearms License. Turner more or less referred to our abiding citizens as nothing but common thugs and criminals; without enough training to carry a weapon. Turner make it plain that he didn’t like the law. Not only that, Our State Legislative Branch from Clayton County has voted against any self defense bills to come up in the State House. I am one those citizens, that Turner was talking about.

http://handgunforum.proboards.com/index.cgi

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:36 am

In 1994, Three Black Officers, Jeff Turner, Greg Porter,and Victor Hill, approached the NAACP. We should already know how The NAACP feels about the current gun laws in Georgia.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:42 am

Go Back To Read The Comment By “Mama Says”; She speaks the gospel truth.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:48 am

jimmy (conservative brother); Jimmy; It was only after the Governor signed into Law HB 89, That Turner did anything to place armed police on the C-Tran Buses. Turner’s response to new law is we already have too many guns on our streets,and Turner stated that it’s going to make thier job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets. This was in response to having Abiding Citizens with State Firearms License. Turner more or less referred to our abiding citizens as nothing but common thugs and criminals; without enough training to carry a weapon. Turner was make it plain, that he didn’t like the law. Not only that, Our State Legislative Branch from Clayton County has voted against any self defense bills to come up in the State House. I am one those citizens, that Turner was talking about. Turner thinks just like our State Legislators from this county, and exactly like Victor Hill.

http://handgunforum.proboards.com/index.cgi

Jonesboro

December 17th, 2009
12:05 pm

3 year plan to leave this county. Fayetteville here I come.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
12:13 pm

If Jeff Turner is so good at cleaning up the thugs in this county, why can’t he control his own son ?

“Brandon D’Angelo Turner, 17, of McDonough and Sean Merritt, 18, are charged with the robbery by snatching from a pedestrian in Stockbridge,”

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Clayton+County+Jeff+Turner&FORM=IGRE1#focal=cc5d0082c993190fefc05664ba4e89af&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.coxnewsweb.com%2FC%2F07%2F75%2F34%2Fimage_7334757.jpg

i like to watch

December 17th, 2009
12:29 pm

cant see…. get back to cleaning that office and get off the mans computer

kallen

December 17th, 2009
12:51 pm

“Jborodawg
Submitted on 2009/12/17 at 10:26am
….Kim, you say, “…this move was opposed by Bell …as well as…Edmondson…” But the news articles say it was Bell and Ralph who opposed.”

Hi Jborodawg - would you mind sharing the news articles and/or newspapers you got this information from please? Aside from both the Clayton News Daily and the AJC listing Bell and Edmondson in opposition to this resolution, the BOC post summary minutes dated December 8 (see Item 14) state:

“14. Approved Resolution 2009-202 – Delegating to the Chairman of the Board of Commissioners the power and authority to oversee the Clayton County Police Department. The motion carried 3-2 with Chairman Bell and Commissioner Edmondson voting in opposition.”

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:12 pm

Disarming Hatred : Turner responded to HB 89, not the people fighting. If you read the news, you would have known this. Turner is dead against people carrying firearms in this county. Can you get this through your thick skull ?

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:21 pm

Jborodawg;”DoubleAction: What are the specifics of your charges against Turner concerning gun control, violating citizens rights, etc? ”

Dawg; How many times do I have to say this; It is about “Gun Control” that we are talking about, it’s about “People Control” and the opposition to their Lawful Rights.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:37 pm

As of today, 90% percent of you people believe that Turner should have a free reign over this county. That is SHAMEFUL, to say the least !! Let be a reminder, Turner was not elected any Democratic process in this county.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:56 pm

Disarming Hatred : “”County to Address C-TRAN Use, New Gun Laws”

Clayton County Police Chief Jeff Turner said addressing the increased number of C-TRAN riders has been complicated by the fact that in May, Gov. Sonny Perdue signed into law House Bill 89, which greatly expands the rights of registered gun owners to bring guns into restaurants and onto public transit. The bill became effective on July 1.

“I really wish they would have not passed that law,” said Turner. “I think it’s going to make our job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets.

“So many people want to carry a gun for safety, but they don’t want to take the time to train how to properly use a handgun, so that presents a higher safety risk,” Turner continued. He said he is currently in discussions with C-TRAN officials about having uniformed and plain-clothes officers “sporadically ride C-TRAN for added protection.”

“We’re not expecting trouble … but people with guns on the bus can add to our problem,” said Turner. “We have to realize that it is here and we have to deal with it.”

This was posted on The Clayton News Daily

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

Jborodawg;”I’m just saying most of law enforcement is for gun control; and probably Turner too.”

It’s not about “Gun Control”, it’s about “People Control” and doing way with the peoples rights.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
2:43 pm

I have learned a lot from corresponding with all of you; I have also been taught a lesson as to why all the people moved from here. If you truly want to change this county, think for yourselves and develop your own principles to live by, otherwise you will remain hopeless.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
3:41 pm

There was a time when my family and I enjoyed going to Jonesboro, but ever since the Elections of 2004, I now have to take a Lawyer with me.

Nemesis

December 17th, 2009
3:52 pm

I am begining to believe that when a person has a stroke that the right to have a right to carry permit should be revoked until they can prove that they are back in theirright mind. The thought that Double Action, whom everybody can tell from his ranting here and else where is no longer sane, being able to carry concealed is truly frightening.

whatever

December 17th, 2009
3:58 pm

I am wondering just what the BOC is thinking with this Unethical, if not illegal power play. What can we as taxpayers do to get them to listen and do the right thing? I also wonder whose pockets are going to be lined with this? I Don’t think it will be Bell’s or Turners. Follow the money.

Nemesis read my mind ...

December 17th, 2009
4:26 pm

Enter your comments here

Black Rain

December 17th, 2009
5:01 pm

The news articles stated that Bell and Edmundson voted against the proposal to put Bell over the Chief of Police. Another article said that Wole said that if Bell put forth a proposal to recind the vote that he would second the motion. I think Bell should do just that at the next meeting and watch Wole Ralph do the backstroke and vote against it. Wole is not to be trusted. He feels himself the pre-crowned next Chairman.

BOB

December 17th, 2009
5:06 pm

In three years – Fayetteville will not be far enough away. It isn’t far enough away now to get away from the issues and the people that cause those issues.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
7:08 pm

My Error;

Nemesis ( Nospin )

Nobody wants to listen a Worthless Ego Tripping Two Faced Back Stabbing Lying Racist Paranoid Cowardly Hypocrite.

Did I leave something out ?

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 17th, 2009
10:05 pm

Double Action you are 100% wrong. Prior to placing police officers on the buses the officers were instructed to follow certain bus routes due to the uneasiness of both passengers and the drivers after multiple incidents of violence on the buses. Incidents of violence committed obviously by non law abiding citizens (prior to enactment of HB89).
Most police officers want law abiding citizens to have the right to protect themselves and others and they defend your right to do so every day. I too carry a weapon and feel no slight from the Chief’s statement. You should only be offended if you are one of those who seek to break the law with your weapon.
I think you have picked the wrong fight with the wrong person (Chief Turner). Think honestly about the statements and look further into the actions taken by the Chief before you continue. I know why the officers were placed on the buses and it had nothing to do with the new law.
Take out your anger on the ones who are putting you in jeopardy everyday. Turner is not a law maker he is sworn to uphold the law and I think he has done so. Direct your anger at the people who we have been forced to choose from during elections in this county. While we are arguing over this action with the Chief the commissioners slipped in an extension on ridding the county of C-Tran. They are attempting to get State revenues to pay Marta 2+ million dollars to continue this failed project. We may agree to disagree on the Turner issue, but we must let the commissioners know that we can’t be fooled by their slight of hand.

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 17th, 2009
10:12 pm

Double action. there were other black officers who approached the NAACP due to what they believed were unfair promotional practices. The practices were reviewed by the EEOC and I believe the EEOC found in their favor and changed the promotional guidelines for the County.
For the record I am no fan of the NAACP. I just happened to be close to one of the other Officers during the time this stuff was going on and have a wonderful grasp of what happened.

Big Papi

December 17th, 2009
10:20 pm

STOP the MADNESS! The county police dept is one of the few organs of government that functions reasonably well. Stop trying to neuter Chief Turner. He is doing a good job and the officers, for the most part are satisfied with his leadership. Is he perfect……..no, but the elected officials should but out of police operations before you destroy this proud dept. at a time when we need them most.

Mama Says

December 18th, 2009
12:16 am

Just so you folks know, the accreditation that CCPD just got cost $ 60,000 to buy. Riverdale and Forest Park already bought theirs so lets not act like the county was first. The accreditation came from a board made up of other police officials. All they needed to see is was a modern/up to date policy and procedures manual. The CCPD has had a policy and procedure manual for 70 years, they have just never asked to be sanctioned. Also can anyone tell me what being accredited gets us ?

Ok I’ll tell you, nothing…the bond rate will be the same, insurance will be the same, your police response will be the same and the in fighting and commission tampering will stay the same.

What will change is Turner’s resume, now it will say he was the chief, who failed all his promotion exams, sued the county because he failed them, was appointed Asst. Chief as hush money under Partain (after he threatened yet another lawsuit) and then was appointed chief by virtue of the fact he was Asst Chief when Partain left.

Ok Ok maybe it will just say he was chief when the department became accredited. That is an expensive way for the county to refresh Turner’s resume.

by the way, in case you can’t tell I do not believe Turner has earned ANYTHING he has BEEN GIVEN but with that said he is the Chief and the commission should not play with his department just to mess with Bell, fire Turner or shut up !

What do you want?

December 18th, 2009
12:17 am

What would you rather have, 1,500 hundred students in uniform, who know that for the most part they can still disrupt and pretty much abuse the learning environment with no real consequences, or 1,500 students who dress as they wish, but certain in the knowledge that their behavior must support the learning environment or consequences will be swift, sure, and compelling?

We know what the BOE wants. That’s because one requires a BOE to exhibit real leadership, and the other one only requires political posturing.

Jborodawg

December 18th, 2009
7:20 am

D.Action:
“…Turner more or less referred to our abiding citizens as nothing but common thugs and criminals…” Now, THAT’s specific, more or less. I guess he’s for the ones that abide, more or less.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
7:43 am

Dawg; I find it difficult to understand the reasoning behind the lack of common sense,among the leaders of this county.It is like plague of irreversible discrimination on our society by our leaders.

Jborodawg

December 18th, 2009
7:48 am

kallen:
I coulda sworn I saw that. But re-reading a couple articles…I stand corrected. Thx!

Mama says:
That’s some good info, if it’s true. You say, “…If you did any research yourself…” It seems all your points are “personnel matters”, and not open to the public. Should I stand corrected? You post makes the dept and Turner fairly despicable. But, I’m wondering now about the 46 others who were passed over? Seems like that would have been a bunch of lawsuits. I guess that’s how personnel matters are handled these days; with lawsuits. That’s despicable too.

Carlos

December 18th, 2009
8:21 am

Jeff Turner goes to the media complaining about the BOC. If I complained about my boss publicly, I would be fired today and so would most employees. Who the hell is he to tell the BOC who should be heading the departments. Sounds kinda stupid to me. All that crap about what he has done for the community only affects a few. He has been successful in fooling some citizens into thinking he cares about Clayton – He lives in Henry County. As for Eldrin Bell, the man has years of police experience. He and Jeff Turner together obviously do not know how to make it work. Instead they go crying like little girls to the media. Enough already!

Nemesis

December 18th, 2009
8:26 am

Double Action – No I am not Nospin. Any intelligent reader of the Clayton Advocate knows that when Nospin posts here the also post the same thing there. And Nospin uses the screen name “Nospin” Ask Kimberly if you don’t believe me. The boot had almost 400 members of which at one time or another you managed to alienate. I see that you bragged that they called you back three times to boost readership. That is not why you were asked back. You were asked back because there were three or four misguided long time members who worked behind the scenes to get you back.They wrote private messages to other members and the administrators to get you back because they truly cared for you. So as a favor to the ones who wanted you back you were asked to return. But you had turned into a Troll. And you continue your trollish ways here. You were removed for the same reason you were asked to return. The members asked to have you removed. Although I will admit there were still one or two who still wanted you there. They just chose not to reply when you were behaving like a troll. which in hind sight just made you more trollish. The rest of us just to quote your own words. ” Nobody wants to listen to a Worthless Ego Tripping Two Faced Back Stabbing Lying Racist Paranoid Cowardly Hypocrite” That describes what you had become to a T.
So Step away from the Keyboard, go take you meds for your Aphasia, and rest your delusional, paranoid little brain.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
8:27 am

I am not just talking about Turner, I am talking about the State Legislature Branch from this county, The BOC, Our Probate Judge, and most of our Elected Officials and County Employees in this county.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
10:05 am

Would somebody please tell Nemesis that “DoubleAction” is not the topic of the discussion here.

” Nobody wants to listen to a Worthless, Envious, Ego Tripping, Patronizing,Two Faced Back Stabbing Lying Racist Paranoid Cowardly Hypocrite”.

And I don’t either.

Oscar Knight

December 18th, 2009
10:19 am

Nemesis “Any intelligent reader of the Clayton Advocate”

I see what you mean DA.

Here's the answer

December 18th, 2009
10:56 am

All these problems in Clayton County, and the answer is right before our eyes. Let’s mandate that everyone wear uniforms!

They are doing it in Clayton County, and then have become the envy of the nation.

So clueless

December 18th, 2009
11:01 am

I can’t believe some of the parents on the Clayton Advocate are whining that their child isn’t having a Christmas party at school, because the class chose not to behave.

Even if you think your angel didn’t do it, you’d put cupcakes over discipline? Do we even have to ask why CCPS is the way it is after that?

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
11:29 am

Here’s the answer

December 18th, 2009
10:56 am
“All these problems in Clayton County, and the answer is right before our eyes. Let’s mandate that everyone wear uniforms!”

It worked in the military !!

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
11:58 am

I attended the School System in Clayton County until 1968, and We always had strict rules about our dress codes to follow. At many of the Catholic Schools at the time, the children was required to dress with ties & sport coats and the girls was required to wear pleaded skirts. It was also like that at Woodard Academy. Many private schools teach discipline, which no way compares to our public school system.

Here's the answer

December 18th, 2009
12:04 pm

In the military, Double Action, you didn’t have mommas whining in the Clayton Advocate that the mean staff sergeant didn’t let their children have cupcakes in the barracks.

In the military, uniforms are but one component of discipline. In CCPS it’s the ONLY component, and they don’t even enforce it consistently.

How does CCPS have a MILITARY man in the Supt.’s office who is so clueless on discipline? Maybe with the amount of money he’s being paid, he’s willing to look clueless to play the game called placate the BOE, who in turn plays the game placate the parents so they can get re-elected.

The problem with acting clueless, is you do it even long enough and you BECOME clueless. It looks like it’s even infected those members of the BOE who are teachers, who know first hand the importance of supporting teachers in discipline.

I guess the power and prestige of being on the BOE was enough to sell out their fellow teachers in CCPS.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
12:04 pm

Mama Says

Go Mama Go; Mama; I like your approach to a good solid landing.

19&41

December 18th, 2009
12:17 pm

Nemesis, do not presume to speak for me when you say Double Action could have alienated me from GETB. It was rash statements from the controlling elements at GETB and their desire to create a haven of political correctness which bore no resemblance to the site I originally joined and supported. Double Action was the canary in the mineshaft. Glad to see he still has a forum here, despite your attentions.

Pathetic

December 18th, 2009
2:15 pm

Looks like some old geezer and his sidekicks(or aliases) has taken over Kimberly’s forum!

jboro

December 18th, 2009
2:16 pm

Of course Turner lives in Henry county…why would he live in CC…..? The accreditation thing really messed CC over….until CCPS achieve something academically for two or more consecutive years,…..I mean test scores…people will remember the accreditation issue.

Fayetteville is fine and as long as they keep conservative leadership they will continue to prosper…the purposely try to keep ghetto baby mamas and thugs OUT!!!! Can someone get this message to CC.

jboro

December 18th, 2009
2:17 pm

True Story. There is some guy running for Edmonsons commissioner seat in th enext election. He says he wants to make Clayton housing more affordable LOL!!!! WTF How phucking dumb can you be to have a plan like that

rex

December 18th, 2009
2:20 pm

I met with Eldrin Bell once…I told him Tara Blvd looked like trash and needs to be redeveloped..He said he had a plan for the redevelopment and agreed with me…This was over a year ago….where is the redevelopment? Lets start with the trailer parks…is there an way to close them down or move hem to the most rural part of the county or something?

rex

December 18th, 2009
2:26 pm

Have you picked up the Atlanta school magazine recently? Its free and you can find them at the entrance of Kroger, Blockbuster and Publix to name a few…the point is the test scores for EVERY clayton high school was lower than any high school in any county that was listed….Why are the kids scoring so low? Seriously…are they dumb….are the teachers not teaching…EVERY HS….Jonesboro High had the best scores, but it was still lower than the other counties….WHY?

You people make me SICK…I’m so embarassed to live in this county…Its hard to find anything to be halfway proud of. Is there anyone in the school system of government that can give me an honest answer? Atlanta schools superintendent got an award for what she did with their schools…and the Atlanta (City Of) might be the only place worst than Clayton…..how is this possible?

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 18th, 2009
6:15 pm

Double Action ask yourself a few questions. Did the Chief instruct any officer to stop anyone getting on the bus lawfully carrying a weapon. The answer is no. Did he instruct officers to sit in other public places which HB 89 allows people to carry guns? NO! He instructed officers to sit on the buses due to the concerns of the bus drivers and incidents of violence which had occurred on the buses (i.e.) there was a need for them there. Not one incident of anyone being denied access for carrying a properly licensed weapon.
I guess we have Officers in the libraries to stop lawful citizens from carrying weapons there or at some of the recreation centers. No they are there because there has been an outcry for the officers to have a demonstrative presence in certain areas and the Chief has sought to accommodate those needs though the county is woefully short of Officers.
People in political positions sometimes have to use political speech. It is their actions that you need to worry about. The Chiefs actions have spoken volumes. I do know personally The Chief and Victor and to try to associate them as you did is also wrong. There was a problem and most every black officer on the force was involved in EEOC action. Everyone of the Officers involved were qualified to be promoted and they were. Victor was not qualified and he was not promoted. The Chief stood light years ahead of walking small then and now.

Shannon, M.Div.

December 19th, 2009
8:37 am

I would have to say that declaring two public safety officials are alike because they happen to agree on a point regarding public safety is a little silly. Are we going to say that two accountants are just alike because they happen to agree on rules for keeping ledgers?

Why is it so terrible to want citizens to either pass a basic competency test or take a class in basic gun safety before they carry a gun? It isn’t. The second amendment was written in the days before automatic weapons. They couldn’t have imagined the lethal power at our modern fingertips. “Guns don’t kill people; people kill people…” I say why make it easier?

It seems to me that your main point of contention with Turner is a red herring. I wouldn’t trust a public safety official who thought guns should just be spread willy-nilly around the populace without any thought to competent and trained (and therefore safer) wielding of such weapons.

BOB

December 19th, 2009
11:01 am

The chief cannot keep you from a carry permit – only your own non-law abiding background can do that. What does it matter what he thinks. Obama is against it to – did you vote for him, or David Scott, or Gov. Barnes, or Kerry or Clinton, or Jimmy. All against it. The chief knows I have a permit and has said nothing. When discussing it beforehand – he did have reservations – but understood it was the law of the land. Training would be a small price to pay for citizens better trained in the use and laws concerning firearms, that why I took them of my own accord.

Carlos

December 19th, 2009
1:01 pm

Jeff Turner was hired to do a job. He is not an elected official. Bell and he were bosom buddies during the last election. They went around to HOAs all over the county selling their bill of goods. Unfortunately, the goods are gone until the next election. Guess he needs to go back to Civics 101. Bell needs to manup and stop bellyacheing to the media.

Taxpayer

December 19th, 2009
9:14 pm

Rex,

I totally agree with you. If you want more embarrassment, go onto the school district’s Website and review the comments and questions from the superintendent’s forums. Nobody asked about the quality of instruction; qualified teachers; professional development for teachers; AP courses and why students don’t receive results from the AP exams; quality of AP teaching; why failing schools still have the same leadership; etc. I would NEVER allow my child to attend a school where so little attention is paid to quality teaching.

In response to the Clayton Police leadership question, I agree that the Department needs new leadership. You have leadership that uses 1980’s strategies to fight 21st century crime problems. We also need a chief who lives in THIS county. No county employee who accepts employment at the the director level should live outside the county. In fact, I would like to suggest to commissioners that you seek a charter amendment (or whatever is required) that mandates that all department heads live in this county. Those currently serving in those roles would be grandfathered in, but those hired after the amendment would be required to live here. They should suffer through their poor decisons like the rest of us.

Nonya

December 19th, 2009
11:07 pm

Rex,

The way Atlanta was able to improve itself was by dumping it’s less productive citizens on Clayton county. Eldrin Bell tried for years to get a foothold in Dekalb county and got nowhere. He was able to get his paws on Clayton county be helping to stack the voter pool in his favor. A great number of Clayton county residents are former residents of……Atlanta. By playing dirty pool behind the scenes he was able to help boost his career but unfortunately brought about the downfall of Clayton.

Clayton county will continue to show failing test scores as long as we continue to attract a certain type of resident. Stop putting out the welcome sign for the “less fortunate”. To make housing in Clayton more affordable is just plain stupid. We already have the lowest average home value in Metro atlanta. We need to follow other areas (i. e Atlanta) and start raising the cost of living here. That’s part of the reason that Fayette & Henry weren’t hit so badly by the “cleansing” of Atlanta.