Chairman takes reins over CCPD

Recently our Board of Commissioners voted that Chairman Eldrin Bell should manage the Clayton County Police Department, causing it to be the only one that will not report to county Chief of Staff Alex Cohilas.

As per the Clayton News-Daily, this resolution “. . . gives the chairman the ability to make all decisions concerning operation and management of the police department, as well as the unilateral ability to hire and fire the police chief”.

Although this move was opposed by Bell (as well as Commissioner Michael Edmondson), it kind of makes sense since the CCPD could take advantage of the Chairman’s experience (as Atlanta’s police commissioner) supposedly without usurping Chief Jeff Turner’s authority. Perhaps some issues could get resolved faster by dealing directly with Bell instead of waiting to be brought before the full BOC.

But aside from his claim that this move violates state law, Bell doesn’t believe he has the resources to manage the CCPD properly anyway. And what doesn’t make sense is after finally getting the Chief of Staff position in place, why change the guard now? Despite all of that, residents who support Chief Turner are concerned that this is a subtle way to begin the process of ousting him. Stay tuned.

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In addition, the CCPD is trying to get accredited by CALEA, and could use some public support. Residents can offer comments to the assessment team during a public information session happening at 5:30 p.m. today at CCP headquarters (7911 N. McDonough Street, Jonesboro) and/or via telephone (770-477-3918) between 1 PM and 3 PM.

Finally, our BOC will meet with the Clayton County Legislative Delegation in a Roundtable session tonight at 6  p.m. in Room 101 of the Clayton State University Center for Continuing Education (2000 Clayton State Boulevard, Morrow) to discuss county priority items to be presented in the 2010 Georgia General Assembly.  Citizens are encouraged to attend.

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DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:36 am

In 1994, Three Black Officers, Jeff Turner, Greg Porter,and Victor Hill, approached the NAACP. We should already know how The NAACP feels about the current gun laws in Georgia.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:42 am

Go Back To Read The Comment By “Mama Says”; She speaks the gospel truth.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:48 am

jimmy (conservative brother); Jimmy; It was only after the Governor signed into Law HB 89, That Turner did anything to place armed police on the C-Tran Buses. Turner’s response to new law is we already have too many guns on our streets,and Turner stated that it’s going to make thier job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets. This was in response to having Abiding Citizens with State Firearms License. Turner more or less referred to our abiding citizens as nothing but common thugs and criminals; without enough training to carry a weapon. Turner was make it plain, that he didn’t like the law. Not only that, Our State Legislative Branch from Clayton County has voted against any self defense bills to come up in the State House. I am one those citizens, that Turner was talking about. Turner thinks just like our State Legislators from this county, and exactly like Victor Hill.

http://handgunforum.proboards.com/index.cgi

Jonesboro

December 17th, 2009
12:05 pm

3 year plan to leave this county. Fayetteville here I come.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
12:13 pm

If Jeff Turner is so good at cleaning up the thugs in this county, why can’t he control his own son ?

“Brandon D’Angelo Turner, 17, of McDonough and Sean Merritt, 18, are charged with the robbery by snatching from a pedestrian in Stockbridge,”

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Clayton+County+Jeff+Turner&FORM=IGRE1#focal=cc5d0082c993190fefc05664ba4e89af&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.coxnewsweb.com%2FC%2F07%2F75%2F34%2Fimage_7334757.jpg

i like to watch

December 17th, 2009
12:29 pm

cant see…. get back to cleaning that office and get off the mans computer

kallen

December 17th, 2009
12:51 pm

“Jborodawg
Submitted on 2009/12/17 at 10:26am
….Kim, you say, “…this move was opposed by Bell …as well as…Edmondson…” But the news articles say it was Bell and Ralph who opposed.”

Hi Jborodawg - would you mind sharing the news articles and/or newspapers you got this information from please? Aside from both the Clayton News Daily and the AJC listing Bell and Edmondson in opposition to this resolution, the BOC post summary minutes dated December 8 (see Item 14) state:

“14. Approved Resolution 2009-202 – Delegating to the Chairman of the Board of Commissioners the power and authority to oversee the Clayton County Police Department. The motion carried 3-2 with Chairman Bell and Commissioner Edmondson voting in opposition.”

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:12 pm

Disarming Hatred : Turner responded to HB 89, not the people fighting. If you read the news, you would have known this. Turner is dead against people carrying firearms in this county. Can you get this through your thick skull ?

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:21 pm

Jborodawg;”DoubleAction: What are the specifics of your charges against Turner concerning gun control, violating citizens rights, etc? ”

Dawg; How many times do I have to say this; It is about “Gun Control” that we are talking about, it’s about “People Control” and the opposition to their Lawful Rights.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:37 pm

As of today, 90% percent of you people believe that Turner should have a free reign over this county. That is SHAMEFUL, to say the least !! Let be a reminder, Turner was not elected any Democratic process in this county.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
1:56 pm

Disarming Hatred : “”County to Address C-TRAN Use, New Gun Laws”

Clayton County Police Chief Jeff Turner said addressing the increased number of C-TRAN riders has been complicated by the fact that in May, Gov. Sonny Perdue signed into law House Bill 89, which greatly expands the rights of registered gun owners to bring guns into restaurants and onto public transit. The bill became effective on July 1.

“I really wish they would have not passed that law,” said Turner. “I think it’s going to make our job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets.

“So many people want to carry a gun for safety, but they don’t want to take the time to train how to properly use a handgun, so that presents a higher safety risk,” Turner continued. He said he is currently in discussions with C-TRAN officials about having uniformed and plain-clothes officers “sporadically ride C-TRAN for added protection.”

“We’re not expecting trouble … but people with guns on the bus can add to our problem,” said Turner. “We have to realize that it is here and we have to deal with it.”

This was posted on The Clayton News Daily

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

Jborodawg;”I’m just saying most of law enforcement is for gun control; and probably Turner too.”

It’s not about “Gun Control”, it’s about “People Control” and doing way with the peoples rights.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
2:43 pm

I have learned a lot from corresponding with all of you; I have also been taught a lesson as to why all the people moved from here. If you truly want to change this county, think for yourselves and develop your own principles to live by, otherwise you will remain hopeless.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
3:41 pm

There was a time when my family and I enjoyed going to Jonesboro, but ever since the Elections of 2004, I now have to take a Lawyer with me.

Nemesis

December 17th, 2009
3:52 pm

I am begining to believe that when a person has a stroke that the right to have a right to carry permit should be revoked until they can prove that they are back in theirright mind. The thought that Double Action, whom everybody can tell from his ranting here and else where is no longer sane, being able to carry concealed is truly frightening.

whatever

December 17th, 2009
3:58 pm

I am wondering just what the BOC is thinking with this Unethical, if not illegal power play. What can we as taxpayers do to get them to listen and do the right thing? I also wonder whose pockets are going to be lined with this? I Don’t think it will be Bell’s or Turners. Follow the money.

Nemesis read my mind ...

December 17th, 2009
4:26 pm

Enter your comments here

Black Rain

December 17th, 2009
5:01 pm

The news articles stated that Bell and Edmundson voted against the proposal to put Bell over the Chief of Police. Another article said that Wole said that if Bell put forth a proposal to recind the vote that he would second the motion. I think Bell should do just that at the next meeting and watch Wole Ralph do the backstroke and vote against it. Wole is not to be trusted. He feels himself the pre-crowned next Chairman.

BOB

December 17th, 2009
5:06 pm

In three years – Fayetteville will not be far enough away. It isn’t far enough away now to get away from the issues and the people that cause those issues.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
7:08 pm

My Error;

Nemesis ( Nospin )

Nobody wants to listen a Worthless Ego Tripping Two Faced Back Stabbing Lying Racist Paranoid Cowardly Hypocrite.

Did I leave something out ?

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 17th, 2009
10:05 pm

Double Action you are 100% wrong. Prior to placing police officers on the buses the officers were instructed to follow certain bus routes due to the uneasiness of both passengers and the drivers after multiple incidents of violence on the buses. Incidents of violence committed obviously by non law abiding citizens (prior to enactment of HB89).
Most police officers want law abiding citizens to have the right to protect themselves and others and they defend your right to do so every day. I too carry a weapon and feel no slight from the Chief’s statement. You should only be offended if you are one of those who seek to break the law with your weapon.
I think you have picked the wrong fight with the wrong person (Chief Turner). Think honestly about the statements and look further into the actions taken by the Chief before you continue. I know why the officers were placed on the buses and it had nothing to do with the new law.
Take out your anger on the ones who are putting you in jeopardy everyday. Turner is not a law maker he is sworn to uphold the law and I think he has done so. Direct your anger at the people who we have been forced to choose from during elections in this county. While we are arguing over this action with the Chief the commissioners slipped in an extension on ridding the county of C-Tran. They are attempting to get State revenues to pay Marta 2+ million dollars to continue this failed project. We may agree to disagree on the Turner issue, but we must let the commissioners know that we can’t be fooled by their slight of hand.

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 17th, 2009
10:12 pm

Double action. there were other black officers who approached the NAACP due to what they believed were unfair promotional practices. The practices were reviewed by the EEOC and I believe the EEOC found in their favor and changed the promotional guidelines for the County.
For the record I am no fan of the NAACP. I just happened to be close to one of the other Officers during the time this stuff was going on and have a wonderful grasp of what happened.

Big Papi

December 17th, 2009
10:20 pm

STOP the MADNESS! The county police dept is one of the few organs of government that functions reasonably well. Stop trying to neuter Chief Turner. He is doing a good job and the officers, for the most part are satisfied with his leadership. Is he perfect……..no, but the elected officials should but out of police operations before you destroy this proud dept. at a time when we need them most.

Mama Says

December 18th, 2009
12:16 am

Just so you folks know, the accreditation that CCPD just got cost $ 60,000 to buy. Riverdale and Forest Park already bought theirs so lets not act like the county was first. The accreditation came from a board made up of other police officials. All they needed to see is was a modern/up to date policy and procedures manual. The CCPD has had a policy and procedure manual for 70 years, they have just never asked to be sanctioned. Also can anyone tell me what being accredited gets us ?

Ok I’ll tell you, nothing…the bond rate will be the same, insurance will be the same, your police response will be the same and the in fighting and commission tampering will stay the same.

What will change is Turner’s resume, now it will say he was the chief, who failed all his promotion exams, sued the county because he failed them, was appointed Asst. Chief as hush money under Partain (after he threatened yet another lawsuit) and then was appointed chief by virtue of the fact he was Asst Chief when Partain left.

Ok Ok maybe it will just say he was chief when the department became accredited. That is an expensive way for the county to refresh Turner’s resume.

by the way, in case you can’t tell I do not believe Turner has earned ANYTHING he has BEEN GIVEN but with that said he is the Chief and the commission should not play with his department just to mess with Bell, fire Turner or shut up !

What do you want?

December 18th, 2009
12:17 am

What would you rather have, 1,500 hundred students in uniform, who know that for the most part they can still disrupt and pretty much abuse the learning environment with no real consequences, or 1,500 students who dress as they wish, but certain in the knowledge that their behavior must support the learning environment or consequences will be swift, sure, and compelling?

We know what the BOE wants. That’s because one requires a BOE to exhibit real leadership, and the other one only requires political posturing.

Jborodawg

December 18th, 2009
7:20 am

D.Action:
“…Turner more or less referred to our abiding citizens as nothing but common thugs and criminals…” Now, THAT’s specific, more or less. I guess he’s for the ones that abide, more or less.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
7:43 am

Dawg; I find it difficult to understand the reasoning behind the lack of common sense,among the leaders of this county.It is like plague of irreversible discrimination on our society by our leaders.

Jborodawg

December 18th, 2009
7:48 am

kallen:
I coulda sworn I saw that. But re-reading a couple articles…I stand corrected. Thx!

Mama says:
That’s some good info, if it’s true. You say, “…If you did any research yourself…” It seems all your points are “personnel matters”, and not open to the public. Should I stand corrected? You post makes the dept and Turner fairly despicable. But, I’m wondering now about the 46 others who were passed over? Seems like that would have been a bunch of lawsuits. I guess that’s how personnel matters are handled these days; with lawsuits. That’s despicable too.

Carlos

December 18th, 2009
8:21 am

Jeff Turner goes to the media complaining about the BOC. If I complained about my boss publicly, I would be fired today and so would most employees. Who the hell is he to tell the BOC who should be heading the departments. Sounds kinda stupid to me. All that crap about what he has done for the community only affects a few. He has been successful in fooling some citizens into thinking he cares about Clayton – He lives in Henry County. As for Eldrin Bell, the man has years of police experience. He and Jeff Turner together obviously do not know how to make it work. Instead they go crying like little girls to the media. Enough already!

Nemesis

December 18th, 2009
8:26 am

Double Action – No I am not Nospin. Any intelligent reader of the Clayton Advocate knows that when Nospin posts here the also post the same thing there. And Nospin uses the screen name “Nospin” Ask Kimberly if you don’t believe me. The boot had almost 400 members of which at one time or another you managed to alienate. I see that you bragged that they called you back three times to boost readership. That is not why you were asked back. You were asked back because there were three or four misguided long time members who worked behind the scenes to get you back.They wrote private messages to other members and the administrators to get you back because they truly cared for you. So as a favor to the ones who wanted you back you were asked to return. But you had turned into a Troll. And you continue your trollish ways here. You were removed for the same reason you were asked to return. The members asked to have you removed. Although I will admit there were still one or two who still wanted you there. They just chose not to reply when you were behaving like a troll. which in hind sight just made you more trollish. The rest of us just to quote your own words. ” Nobody wants to listen to a Worthless Ego Tripping Two Faced Back Stabbing Lying Racist Paranoid Cowardly Hypocrite” That describes what you had become to a T.
So Step away from the Keyboard, go take you meds for your Aphasia, and rest your delusional, paranoid little brain.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
8:27 am

I am not just talking about Turner, I am talking about the State Legislature Branch from this county, The BOC, Our Probate Judge, and most of our Elected Officials and County Employees in this county.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
10:05 am

Would somebody please tell Nemesis that “DoubleAction” is not the topic of the discussion here.

” Nobody wants to listen to a Worthless, Envious, Ego Tripping, Patronizing,Two Faced Back Stabbing Lying Racist Paranoid Cowardly Hypocrite”.

And I don’t either.

Oscar Knight

December 18th, 2009
10:19 am

Nemesis “Any intelligent reader of the Clayton Advocate”

I see what you mean DA.

Here's the answer

December 18th, 2009
10:56 am

All these problems in Clayton County, and the answer is right before our eyes. Let’s mandate that everyone wear uniforms!

They are doing it in Clayton County, and then have become the envy of the nation.

So clueless

December 18th, 2009
11:01 am

I can’t believe some of the parents on the Clayton Advocate are whining that their child isn’t having a Christmas party at school, because the class chose not to behave.

Even if you think your angel didn’t do it, you’d put cupcakes over discipline? Do we even have to ask why CCPS is the way it is after that?

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
11:29 am

Here’s the answer

December 18th, 2009
10:56 am
“All these problems in Clayton County, and the answer is right before our eyes. Let’s mandate that everyone wear uniforms!”

It worked in the military !!

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
11:58 am

I attended the School System in Clayton County until 1968, and We always had strict rules about our dress codes to follow. At many of the Catholic Schools at the time, the children was required to dress with ties & sport coats and the girls was required to wear pleaded skirts. It was also like that at Woodard Academy. Many private schools teach discipline, which no way compares to our public school system.

Here's the answer

December 18th, 2009
12:04 pm

In the military, Double Action, you didn’t have mommas whining in the Clayton Advocate that the mean staff sergeant didn’t let their children have cupcakes in the barracks.

In the military, uniforms are but one component of discipline. In CCPS it’s the ONLY component, and they don’t even enforce it consistently.

How does CCPS have a MILITARY man in the Supt.’s office who is so clueless on discipline? Maybe with the amount of money he’s being paid, he’s willing to look clueless to play the game called placate the BOE, who in turn plays the game placate the parents so they can get re-elected.

The problem with acting clueless, is you do it even long enough and you BECOME clueless. It looks like it’s even infected those members of the BOE who are teachers, who know first hand the importance of supporting teachers in discipline.

I guess the power and prestige of being on the BOE was enough to sell out their fellow teachers in CCPS.

DoubleAction

December 18th, 2009
12:04 pm

Mama Says

Go Mama Go; Mama; I like your approach to a good solid landing.

19&41

December 18th, 2009
12:17 pm

Nemesis, do not presume to speak for me when you say Double Action could have alienated me from GETB. It was rash statements from the controlling elements at GETB and their desire to create a haven of political correctness which bore no resemblance to the site I originally joined and supported. Double Action was the canary in the mineshaft. Glad to see he still has a forum here, despite your attentions.

Pathetic

December 18th, 2009
2:15 pm

Looks like some old geezer and his sidekicks(or aliases) has taken over Kimberly’s forum!

jboro

December 18th, 2009
2:16 pm

Of course Turner lives in Henry county…why would he live in CC…..? The accreditation thing really messed CC over….until CCPS achieve something academically for two or more consecutive years,…..I mean test scores…people will remember the accreditation issue.

Fayetteville is fine and as long as they keep conservative leadership they will continue to prosper…the purposely try to keep ghetto baby mamas and thugs OUT!!!! Can someone get this message to CC.

jboro

December 18th, 2009
2:17 pm

True Story. There is some guy running for Edmonsons commissioner seat in th enext election. He says he wants to make Clayton housing more affordable LOL!!!! WTF How phucking dumb can you be to have a plan like that

rex

December 18th, 2009
2:20 pm

I met with Eldrin Bell once…I told him Tara Blvd looked like trash and needs to be redeveloped..He said he had a plan for the redevelopment and agreed with me…This was over a year ago….where is the redevelopment? Lets start with the trailer parks…is there an way to close them down or move hem to the most rural part of the county or something?

rex

December 18th, 2009
2:26 pm

Have you picked up the Atlanta school magazine recently? Its free and you can find them at the entrance of Kroger, Blockbuster and Publix to name a few…the point is the test scores for EVERY clayton high school was lower than any high school in any county that was listed….Why are the kids scoring so low? Seriously…are they dumb….are the teachers not teaching…EVERY HS….Jonesboro High had the best scores, but it was still lower than the other counties….WHY?

You people make me SICK…I’m so embarassed to live in this county…Its hard to find anything to be halfway proud of. Is there anyone in the school system of government that can give me an honest answer? Atlanta schools superintendent got an award for what she did with their schools…and the Atlanta (City Of) might be the only place worst than Clayton…..how is this possible?

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 18th, 2009
6:15 pm

Double Action ask yourself a few questions. Did the Chief instruct any officer to stop anyone getting on the bus lawfully carrying a weapon. The answer is no. Did he instruct officers to sit in other public places which HB 89 allows people to carry guns? NO! He instructed officers to sit on the buses due to the concerns of the bus drivers and incidents of violence which had occurred on the buses (i.e.) there was a need for them there. Not one incident of anyone being denied access for carrying a properly licensed weapon.
I guess we have Officers in the libraries to stop lawful citizens from carrying weapons there or at some of the recreation centers. No they are there because there has been an outcry for the officers to have a demonstrative presence in certain areas and the Chief has sought to accommodate those needs though the county is woefully short of Officers.
People in political positions sometimes have to use political speech. It is their actions that you need to worry about. The Chiefs actions have spoken volumes. I do know personally The Chief and Victor and to try to associate them as you did is also wrong. There was a problem and most every black officer on the force was involved in EEOC action. Everyone of the Officers involved were qualified to be promoted and they were. Victor was not qualified and he was not promoted. The Chief stood light years ahead of walking small then and now.

Shannon, M.Div.

December 19th, 2009
8:37 am

I would have to say that declaring two public safety officials are alike because they happen to agree on a point regarding public safety is a little silly. Are we going to say that two accountants are just alike because they happen to agree on rules for keeping ledgers?

Why is it so terrible to want citizens to either pass a basic competency test or take a class in basic gun safety before they carry a gun? It isn’t. The second amendment was written in the days before automatic weapons. They couldn’t have imagined the lethal power at our modern fingertips. “Guns don’t kill people; people kill people…” I say why make it easier?

It seems to me that your main point of contention with Turner is a red herring. I wouldn’t trust a public safety official who thought guns should just be spread willy-nilly around the populace without any thought to competent and trained (and therefore safer) wielding of such weapons.

BOB

December 19th, 2009
11:01 am

The chief cannot keep you from a carry permit – only your own non-law abiding background can do that. What does it matter what he thinks. Obama is against it to – did you vote for him, or David Scott, or Gov. Barnes, or Kerry or Clinton, or Jimmy. All against it. The chief knows I have a permit and has said nothing. When discussing it beforehand – he did have reservations – but understood it was the law of the land. Training would be a small price to pay for citizens better trained in the use and laws concerning firearms, that why I took them of my own accord.

Carlos

December 19th, 2009
1:01 pm

Jeff Turner was hired to do a job. He is not an elected official. Bell and he were bosom buddies during the last election. They went around to HOAs all over the county selling their bill of goods. Unfortunately, the goods are gone until the next election. Guess he needs to go back to Civics 101. Bell needs to manup and stop bellyacheing to the media.

Taxpayer

December 19th, 2009
9:14 pm

Rex,

I totally agree with you. If you want more embarrassment, go onto the school district’s Website and review the comments and questions from the superintendent’s forums. Nobody asked about the quality of instruction; qualified teachers; professional development for teachers; AP courses and why students don’t receive results from the AP exams; quality of AP teaching; why failing schools still have the same leadership; etc. I would NEVER allow my child to attend a school where so little attention is paid to quality teaching.

In response to the Clayton Police leadership question, I agree that the Department needs new leadership. You have leadership that uses 1980’s strategies to fight 21st century crime problems. We also need a chief who lives in THIS county. No county employee who accepts employment at the the director level should live outside the county. In fact, I would like to suggest to commissioners that you seek a charter amendment (or whatever is required) that mandates that all department heads live in this county. Those currently serving in those roles would be grandfathered in, but those hired after the amendment would be required to live here. They should suffer through their poor decisons like the rest of us.