Chairman takes reins over CCPD

Recently our Board of Commissioners voted that Chairman Eldrin Bell should manage the Clayton County Police Department, causing it to be the only one that will not report to county Chief of Staff Alex Cohilas.

As per the Clayton News-Daily, this resolution “. . . gives the chairman the ability to make all decisions concerning operation and management of the police department, as well as the unilateral ability to hire and fire the police chief”.

Although this move was opposed by Bell (as well as Commissioner Michael Edmondson), it kind of makes sense since the CCPD could take advantage of the Chairman’s experience (as Atlanta’s police commissioner) supposedly without usurping Chief Jeff Turner’s authority. Perhaps some issues could get resolved faster by dealing directly with Bell instead of waiting to be brought before the full BOC.

But aside from his claim that this move violates state law, Bell doesn’t believe he has the resources to manage the CCPD properly anyway. And what doesn’t make sense is after finally getting the Chief of Staff position in place, why change the guard now? Despite all of that, residents who support Chief Turner are concerned that this is a subtle way to begin the process of ousting him. Stay tuned.

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In addition, the CCPD is trying to get accredited by CALEA, and could use some public support. Residents can offer comments to the assessment team during a public information session happening at 5:30 p.m. today at CCP headquarters (7911 N. McDonough Street, Jonesboro) and/or via telephone (770-477-3918) between 1 PM and 3 PM.

Finally, our BOC will meet with the Clayton County Legislative Delegation in a Roundtable session tonight at 6  p.m. in Room 101 of the Clayton State University Center for Continuing Education (2000 Clayton State Boulevard, Morrow) to discuss county priority items to be presented in the 2010 Georgia General Assembly.  Citizens are encouraged to attend.

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DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
4:30 pm

As of today, 88% percent of the readers believe that Jeff Turner should be allowed a free reign over this county. That is Shameful, to say the least. It’s no wonder that this county having problems.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:06 pm

Would you please do the math. How many Officers have Killed from protecting human life in this county, from The Clayton County Police Department ?

http://www.odmp.org/agency/721-clayton-county-police-department-georgia

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:10 pm

Would you please do the math. How many Officers have Killed from protecting human life in this county, from The Clayton County Police Department ?

http://www.odmp.org/agency/721-clayton-county-police-department-georgia

Our Self Defense relies on our own initiative to exist in this county.

there you go

December 15th, 2009
5:10 pm

DA – I wonder what in your experiences has led you to this great mistrust for Turner. I know him as a good man working for the betterment of the county. Never has he advocated undoing of citizens rights. Most of which he has no say so over anyway.

Rev Billy Bob

December 15th, 2009
5:14 pm

Glen D and John T – where are you? The demise of the county was help along by the BOE 8 years ago with the 4 horsewomwn of the apocalyspe – then the NH BOE – nothing to do with Plutocrats – just dumb followers of the aforementioned.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:21 pm

there you go; He opposes my rights to exist under the laws of this State and the County where I live.
If you keep up with Turner, you would already know this.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
5:52 pm

There you go: Jeff Turner “So many people want to carry a gun for safety, but they don’t want to take the time to train how to properly use a handgun, so that presents a higher safety risk,”
“I really wish they would have not passed that law,” said Turner. “I think it’s going to make our job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets.”

This in regards to the State Firearms License holders and after the Governor signed HB 98 into law. Turner proceeded to assign armed policemen to the C-Tran Buses to protect the riders.Up until then, he wasn’t concerned with thugs carry gun, just the Law Abiding citizens with State Issued Firearm Licenses.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
6:20 pm

How many of you voted for Jeff Turner as your Chief of Police in Clayton County ? Is he a Constitutional Officer in this County ? Is he exempt from being replaced ? Should he be allowed voice his opinion on State Laws to the media ?

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
6:39 pm

Jeff Turner has a problem with running off with his mouth to the new media; That where he spilled the beans about his true colors. Up until then, I was very fond of having Turner as The Chief of Police in Clayton County.

Mama Says

December 15th, 2009
6:42 pm

Ok, folks, let’s look at the facts.

First Off Bell was chairman when Turner was hired–so there goes the Bell hates Turner issue (although they have had problems of late).

Secondly–Turner is no saint. He has bluffed his way to a positive public image by way of dedicating his resorces to public appearence duties rather than real police duties (a perfect example of his mindset was changing the beat system in an effort to imply more police coverage without actually giving it. Going from 12 beats per district with 10 officers to 20 beats per district with 10 officers–you are still short on actual coverage but you can tell folks that you made their area into a beat of it’s own (politics).

Third—Bell cannot be accessed because he was a Chief. Only one person can run a business, department or team, more than that creates diverging goals and ego battles. If there are those who want Turner gone then fire him and hire another but don;t think your solving anything by micro -managing.

Fourth–The commission should hire a chief and get out of law enforcement—they are not professionals and have not gone through the mandatory training police, in general, nor Chiefs in particular go through. The board is made up of private citizens, which in most circumstances, have no law enforcement knowledge. They can’t tell you the difference between a harassing Phone call and a terroristic threat. Police don’t go to banks and tell them how to count money !

Fifth—I have worked with Victor Hill and Turner. Turner is no Victor Hill—-Turner really believes the world would be better if he had complete control, Victor just bluffed you.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
7:16 pm

I seriously doubt that things going to change this county, if Turner was to be relieved of his duties as Chief; because the wheels has already been put into place for making this county completely independent from the rest of the State.

i like to watch, can't see

December 15th, 2009
10:19 pm

A former GBI medical examiner investigator pleaded guilty in Clayton County this morning on charges of vehicular homicide Kellie Bennett pleaded guilty to first-degree vehicular homicide under the first offender statute, Clayton County District Attorney Tracy Graham Lawson told the AJC. A superior court judge sentenced her to five years of probation, $1,000 fine, defensive driving school and 10 speaking engagements at police academies or to youth groups in Georgia, Lawson said. The judge also ordered her to write a letter of apology to the victim’s family. She did apologize in court this morning, Lawson said. Bennett was arrested following a crash in December 2008 that injured Robert James. James died on January 9.Investigators said Bennett, a civilian employee, was flashing the overhead lights on her patrol car and was using her siren, which was against GBI orders. The GBI said she was terminated. She was indicted on vehicular homicide and reckless driving in July, according to court records. However, Clayton’s elected officials let her go free, only prosecute and sentence blacks. Then they wonder why we still cheer for Mike Vick! Not justice, just us in prison!

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
11:24 pm

Having those citizens, who would rather keep their head buried in the sand, don’t help too much. This County serves it’s attentive purposes , for Section 8 recipients, The Homeless, The Distribution of Illegal Drugs, Crime, and crooked politicians.

DoubleAction

December 15th, 2009
11:43 pm

there you go

“I know him as a good man working for the betterment of the county”

It’s part of Jeff Turner’s job to make you feel this way about him, after all, he is the Chief of Police in Clayton County.

raja

December 15th, 2009
11:50 pm

DoubleAction

Kimberly might have to ban you just like the Give-em-the-boot.

No to Patterson, No to Hill

December 16th, 2009
12:26 am

RE: Tonight’s BOC Meeting

Hey, the BOC is now its own Finance Corp (and that is needed, how?). So, they now have even more power and control over our $$$$. I wonder if this now conseals public inquiry and reporting requirements, lol.

Next, the Commissioners again pander to Clayton’s lowest resident denominator by affirming to extend C-Tran/MARTA until JUNE 30, 2009. CTran was scheduled to END March 31, 2010, but they (BELL) went back to MARTA and agreed to use their stimulus funds to extend CTran. Since they are at least Constitutionally barred from using tax $$ to fund CTran (they can only use non-county $$ and/or county building permit fees, re-zoining fees, etc), the BOC votes to again to fund an $8 million dollar money pit. Cut these leaches off!

Now for public comment. Only 5 people signed up (BAD)!

A lady went first in support of Chief Turner. She presented facts about the lowered crime rate, community policing, and the responsiveness of Chief J. Turner. As she was pointing out certain documented facts and addressing BOC members by name, Mr. Bell RUDELY cuts her off (instead of usually ignoring citizens anyway or talking). The lady was just trying to make a point by addressing Gail Hambrick (who was too busy talking) and Bell again disrespects a citizen. Next up was the police union rep was eloquently enumerated the role of Chief and proper management.

The 3rd person was a returning resident speaking about change in the county due to Ctran, etc, 4th was a Marta supporter, and the 5th a CCPD supporter.

Few citizens in attendence and commenting. That is why the County suffers – as it is said: You get what you pay/put effort in for. This county will never get better until more citizens get involved/better people elected.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:37 am

raja: DoubleAction

“Kimberly might have to ban you just like the Give-em-the-boot”

Why ? You don’t know why I was banned from The Boot; I don’t think anyone knows, including myself.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:46 am

raja; Without me, The Boot Forum no longer exist. They called me back three times to boost the activity.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
1:20 am

I Apologize; My Aphasias is acting up again.

raja; What do You have as a contribution to this topic ?

raja

December 16th, 2009
8:36 am

DoubleAction

I think you’re wrong about the chief. He may not share your view on gun control but he does a good job. Far as this topic goes; I agree with everyone else someone wants Turner gone so they’re carefully orchestrating their moves to make it happen.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
9:18 am

raja; “He may not share your view on gun control but he does a good job”

Raja; Have ever heard of The Second Amendment to The U.S. Constitution and Georgia’s HB 89 and SB 396 ? This is not a popularity contest about who is the most popular Chief on the block; This is about rights to live as a free society. I treasure my freedom and I take nothing for granite.

Straight No Chaser

December 16th, 2009
9:27 am

To DoubleAction.

I commend your passion concerning the 2nd Amendment. Where you are blinded by your passion is that Turner DOESN’T MAKE ANY LAWS!! Do you compute that? Who cares what he says. He can have all the personal opinions he wants about people legally carrying guns on buses, parks, etc. If there is a law allowing citizens to carry guns then he bound by law to uphold the law. If you have any issues concerning obtaining gun permits then take it up with the probate court not Turner.

Charlton Heston please give it a rest.

Turn around

December 16th, 2009
9:31 am

I have “kept up” with all things – Clayton County – for more than 15 years. In that time – Turner has been one of the few stand-up good public servants. Turner has always been media savvy and nothing like the little guy Sheriff. It is not perception – I know Chief Turner. I feel sorry for you and the way this eats at you. “The right to exist – You are looney-tunes. I am still not clear – do you think Turner does not want you to protect yourself? He can do nothing about your ability to protect your home and property – and he has no power over a personal “right to carry” issue. What gives? besides you with your rants.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
9:32 am

” think you’re wrong about the chief. He may not share your view on gun control but he does a good job”

What is wrong with my views ? A lot people have died so that you and I could have the freedoms that sometime take for granite. I respect the rights that we have in this country. This not about a popularity contest, it’s about our rights under The U.S. Constitution and The State Laws of Georgia. If I was wrong for not bending over backwards for Jeff Turner; I had rather be wrong.

Let's think about this for a moment ...

December 16th, 2009
10:34 am

Imagine if your employment was threatened (or you straight lost your job) every time someone didn’t agree with your opinion on any given topic. We’d all be UNemployed!

Thank GOD for freedom of speech and thought, and that the majority aren’t as narrow minded as some on this blog. At least I hope not! Chief Turner’s job SHOULD NOT be in jeopardy based on your opinion about gun control. He’s done a good job, let’s focus on the good instead of the insane (Doubleaction)

jonesboro

December 16th, 2009
11:08 am

You IDIOTS!!!!! Do you think after all the press a allegations of the move being personally montivated that Bell can really fire Turner without a lawsuit and further backlash?

He can’t. Although CC is a diaper stain for leadership I doubt that such an obvious move can be made without recourse. With that being said, lets get a new topic to discuss that has relevance..namely economic development, options to the schools here and how increase property values.

If you own a home..rent it out to someone and move to another and better county and pay rent there.

Retired LEO

December 16th, 2009
11:23 am

Among all the many perspectives on the matter of Bell assuming control of the police department is one that I see particularly close to being on point. I too am of the opinion that Bell has been force fed this matter to further reveal his ineptitude. It’s not a play to pit him and Turner against one another; nor is it an effort to begin a process of ousting Turner in favor of a new “favorite son” or crony in the near future. Bell will become the scapegoat of anything and everything that goes wrong at the police department. And, anyone who knows anything at all about law enforcement knows that it’s not a matter of if something will happen but rather when and how bad. It’s the nature of the business. I think it’s a pity that the Board feels it must take matters into their own hands when the voting public already feels that Bell is just simply not up to the job anymore (may have been at one time but no longer). Oh well, more of the same old stuff.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:40 am

Let think about the a moment; I have thought about it, and Jeff Turner should not have a say so about the rights of the citizens. His only job should be to Serve & Protect the Publics Safety. Al Gore lost the Presidential election because of his opinions on the so called “Gun Control”. Where I come from, We call it “People Control”.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:41 am

Let think about the a moment; I have thought about it, and Jeff Turner should not have a say so about the rights of the citizens. His only job should be to Serve & Protect the Publics Safety. What is “Gun Control ?” Where I come from, We call it “People Control”.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:53 am

Turn around ; You know very little, I can see that.Ignorance is something that you cannot see in your mirror.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
11:56 am

Let’s think about this for a moment …

“your opinion about gun control”.

I have no opinion about gun control; Where I come from, We call it “People Control”.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:17 pm

Straight No Chaser; You’re not in the position to give me advice. I’ve been living in this county since 1961 and I went to the Probate Court with my Father, in Jonesboro, when I was only 9 years old.

Why did Turner post armed policemen on the C-Tran Buses, right after HB 89 was signed into Law by the Governor ?

Because Turner voiced his opinion about having too many weapons on our streets, his safety concerns because of the lack of training, and he posted the police on the buses. I heard the same thing out of Victor Hill about the same House Bill, and he gave the same answer.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:30 pm

What is this; Pick on DoubleAction Day ?

Turn around

December 16th, 2009
12:34 pm

Generalities – you can do better than that. You really could use a little therapy. One problem is we do not know your views – other than that you have a problem with the Chief and that you have a lot of time on your hands to blog incessently.

By the way – Ignorance is something that I can see in this blog.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
12:52 pm

Turn around :”By the way – Ignorance is something that I can see in this blog.”

I have agree on that. About the Therapy; Do you know what a Stroke is ? About Aphasias ? Don’t make fun about things that you fail to understand. I believe that I am doing quite well, considering my disabilities.

DoubleAction

December 16th, 2009
1:13 pm

If Ms. Allen would allow me the privilege; I would like everyone to be my guests on my website. I know that we could be friends in a different environment, and cease with all these political indifferences.Boot members are also Welcome to joining in.

http://handgunforum.proboards.com/index.cgi

JJ

December 16th, 2009
2:25 pm

I have a feeling you are alot more capable and cognizant than most of us here. God bless.

Hmmm....

December 16th, 2009
2:39 pm

70 plus posts with 20-30 from the same person. That’s more like scary stalker than capable and cognizant.

GET IT TOGETHER CLAYCO

December 16th, 2009
3:38 pm

IF YOU THINK DRUGS ARE IN CLAYTON CO,WAIT UNTIL CHIEF BELL TAKES OVER,REMEMBER PEOPLE HE WAS THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ATLANTA,GA HE FLOODED THE CITY WITH DRUGS,WATCH THE SPIKE IN DRUGS ONCE HE GETS CONTROL!

GET IT TOGETHER CLAYCO

December 16th, 2009
3:40 pm

JEFF TURNER YOU ARE THE NEW VICTOR HILL!

Mama says

December 16th, 2009
7:22 pm

Anyone who thinks Turner “worked” his way up in the department have simply chosen to ignore the facts surrounding each of his promotions. Nor have they ever been the victim in a case he “investigated”

If you did any research it would be clear that he sued or threatened to sue at each “step up” he made (finished 47th on an open book Sgt’s test but filed discrimination suit when he was not in the first 14 promoted). Then chief Ronnie Clackum agreed to promote # 23 # 47, 53 and 79 before he went back up to the top of the list, by then the list had expired and a retest was given. This time there were 3 categories “Highly qualified”, “qualified” and “not qualified” Promotions had to be made out of the Highly qualified bracket first BUT Clackum could pick who he promoted out of the top 3. # 3 could be promoted before #1 and so on, # 4 then filled the spot left by # 3—conceivably # 1 may have never been promoted. Turner finished 47th on an open book test and is now the police chief, and at the same time undermined the Departments ability to promote the best on the job. Good job folks ! Now turn around and demand competent service, like you care.

Also a short conversation with him as a detective would have shown you that his attitude was at the best rude, incompetent and uncaring at it’s worse. That part is of course just my belief.

jimmy (conservative brother)

December 16th, 2009
10:52 pm

Double Action, I have agreed with you many times but on this one you are totally off base. Armed Officers were placed on C-Tran buses at the request of C-Tran operators who were afraid for their safety. Officers were directed first to follow C-Tran in patrol vehicles to make sure nothing occurred and then they were placed on the buses. I have mentioned this fact before.
Chief Turner has done many things the correct way. He has placed Officers in positions to more effectively fight crime in the County. Citizens are given a direct line to communicate with Chief Turner at community meetings when his cell number is given to each member in attendance. Never before in this county have I seen the Chief of Police do anything like that in fact most before have been almost unapproachable.
This deal was done behind closed doors with no advanced notice. I believe it was done so to prevent the citizens of the community from voicing their opinions on this issue. I can not help but to believe that the other commissioners are setting Eldrin up to take the fall when he attempts to remove Chief Turner from the position. Eldrin has been asking for this for the longest. He has attempted to micromanage the department since he has been in office.
Ask yourself how many times has he “told” the department what to do… from take home cars to creating specialized units. I don’t think the community is going to stand for any more of Eldrin’s grandstanding.

i like to watch, can't see

December 16th, 2009
10:53 pm

i like to watch, can’t see! Well, Well, Well! The rich and powerful are getting what they deserve. They ballot box pamper, voter rigged, ballot stuffed, and bribed the election officials to get Bell reelected now they reap what they sow; an old senile old man in charge of CCPD; karma could be any better! The plutocrats started destorying the school system, now the Police Department. Plutocrat created Plutocrat approved! Look like some pink folk should abandon their houses and run to a more rural county. Clayton won’t change until the year 2020, by then all the old plutocrats will be dead! All the sins of you and your forefathers are catching up with you! Ha,Ha,Ha,hahahaha!

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
12:16 am

Thank You JJ.

“Hmmm….That’s more like scary stalker than capable and cognizant.”

Who’s Counting ? Only one person I know would go to so much trouble of counting my posts. And what have you contributed to this topic ?

Your Fears of me are totally unwarranted and it’s only a ploy to scare off others. Those with disabilities accept challenges on a daily basis. No hard feelings.

http://handgunforum.proboards.com/index.cgi

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
12:24 am

Hmmm….

December 16th, 2009
2:39 pm
“70 plus posts with 20-30 from the same person. That’s more like scary stalker than capable and cognizant.”

What have you contributed to this topic, other that expressing your envy and fears about me ?

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
7:54 am

Straight No Chaser ; Answer one question; Why did Turner post armed county police on the C-Tran Buses after Governor signed off a HB 89 ? Why not before then ?

I don’t appreciate your hostility or patronizing my principles.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
8:11 am

Much of you have criticized and patronized me for my principles , with overwhelming hostility about Jeff Turner. My only hope for this county is that we can live free without fear of persecution.

Disarming Hatred

December 17th, 2009
9:46 am

DoubleAction: Why did Turner post armed policemen on the C-Tran Buses, right after HB 89 was signed into Law by the Governor ?

Hmmm! Last time I checked, Police Officers are P.O.S.T Certify to carry a weapon. It’s obviously that you don’t attend our Clayton County Commissioners Meetings. If so, you would know that some residents went on public comment to say that, They were having some individuals who were starting fights and committing robberies on the busses. So it is really unfortunate that you have so much to say with so little facts. As you said: His only job should be to Serve & Protect the Publics Safety. I believe thats what they (Police) were doing on the busses.

Jborodawg

December 17th, 2009
10:26 am

I haven’t seen many comments about the BOC as a whole; and why they would pass this “ruling”. Kim, you say, “…this move was opposed by Bell …as well as…Edmondson…” But the news articles say it was Bell and Ralph who opposed.

Under Chief Turner’s watch, the CCPD just received one of the highest certifications available. He seems transparent dealing with the public. The CCPD as a whole seems to favor him as their leader. Be that as it may, it is a terrible idea for the BOC and the Chairman to try to micro-manage a department; we know what happened with our schools when the BOE tried that. We pay department heads and the Chief of Staff very well; we should let them do their jobs. Politicians have no place trying to run a department.

BTW, Bell got re-elected because no one of consequence ran against him. And, BTW, what did Bell do in ATL to get ousted? Was he fired or ‘forced’ out? If you answer, please be specific; name calling and invectives aren’t helpful.

DoubleAction: What are the specifics of your charges against Turner concerning gun control, violating citizens rights, etc? FYI: I believe the majority of police chiefs and sheriffs in the country are FOR gun control. I don’t have a real statistic; it’s just that every time I read or see a story on gun control, a chief or sheriff seems to be for it. It seems to be in the law enforcement community’s best interest to not have more guns around. Don’t get me wrong; I’m a firm believer in our right to bear arms. I’m just saying most of law enforcement is for gun control; and probably Turner too.

DoubleAction

December 17th, 2009
11:18 am

jimmy (conservative brother); Jimmy; It was only after the Governor signed into Law HB 89, That Turner did anything to place armed police on the C-Tran Buses. Turner’s response to new law is we already have too many guns on our streets,and Turner stated that it’s going to make thier job even more trying, because of the propensity of having even more weapons on the streets. This was in response to having Abiding Citizens with State Firearms License. Turner more or less referred to our abiding citizens as nothing but common thugs and criminals; without enough training to carry a weapon. Turner make it plain that he didn’t like the law. Not only that, Our State Legislative Branch from Clayton County has voted against any self defense bills to come up in the State House. I am one those citizens, that Turner was talking about.

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