1,500 suspensions – was it worth it?

Recently, 1,500 Clayton County high school students expressed themselves by staging an organized protest of wearing school uniforms, and as per the AJC were disciplined for their efforts.

I wondered how those parents felt and/or handled the suspensions, because this will be key in determining how this plays out. For example, I know a (Fulton county) student who got caught with the tail of his shirt hanging out. Although he said it was an accident, parents were called, he was sent home and suspended. That was followed up with parental discipline, and he never made that mistake again.

Still, this student protest may be slowly gaining momentum. While their online petition has added only four additional signatures since my Sept. 28 blog, the Protest As One Facebook page has garnered 795 fans.

Nevertheless, it is good to see CCPS enforcing their own rules since there has been a “dress code” in place for years that was completely ignored.  Now, if some students were just as interested in education as they were in protesting school uniforms . . .

Was your child suspended? Did you have a problem with the protest? Students, was the protest worth a suspension?

Finally, CCPS hosts two meetings this week to hear public comments and input on Lovejoy’s proposed redistricting plan. Due to the opening of the Eddie J. White Academy in August 2010, students attending River’s Edge Elementary School and Lovejoy Middle School may be rezoned.

The first will be held at 6 p.m. on Dec. 1 at Lovejoy Middle School (1588 Lovejoy Road, Lovejoy). The second is on Dec. 3 at River’s Edge (205 North Bridge Road, Fayetteville) at 6 p.m.. According to news reports, the plan will be presented to the CCBOE at the Dec. 14 work session, and voted on in January.

Does your child(ren) attend any of these schools? Could redistricting be beneficial to your child’s education?

124 comments Add your comment

Clayton Parent

November 30th, 2009
10:57 am

My son wasn’t suspended since he knows if I have to leave work early because of his actions he’ll be so sorry. Of course being a kid he wants to buck the system but knows if his father and I have to get involved (and we’re divorced!) then he’ll wish all he got was suspended. This will continue on because parents in this county don’t care. Look at the comment by the guy in the article talking about he wasn’t down with the vote, come on now why don’t they ever interview someone with some sense? If I could sell this house I’d move so fast but have to play the hand I’m dealt for now.

sjkfd

November 30th, 2009
11:20 am

The whole Clayton County School System needs to be flushed down the commode. This is what happens in a school system that got its accreditation revoked.

raja

November 30th, 2009
12:20 pm

I received a recorded call from Lovejoy high school assistant principal Thurday before the holiday break stating Friday would be jean day and students will be let out early. So when I heard about other students being supended for wearing jeans at all high schools I was very shock because Friday was jean day at LHS per the AP Mr Mcdowell. Everyone wore jeans including my daughter and they were not supended

Voter

November 30th, 2009
1:27 pm

Jonesboro HS tried this a couple of years ago. The principal announced a dress code. Parents (most) said OK. First day of school students were allowed in with no punishment. Why no punishment? No good answer given. If the Jonesboro HS would have enforced their dress code then maybe there would not have been such a problem when the whole school district implemented one. All it takes is one to make it or break it. Both the school administration and students need to realize that they need to follow the/their rules or suffer the consquences.

SA

November 30th, 2009
2:01 pm

I was glad to see CCPS do this. Now they must be consistent. I thought the same thing when I read that, Clayton Parent.

Unfortunately, while I like what they’re trying to do, it’s just another band-aid approach instead of addressing the real problem. No matter what we do, the problems within our County cannot be fixed with the current demographic we have living here. We, as a County, are too top-heavy with apathetic, uneducated, and unmotivated citizens who do not believe in accountability for oneself. We must find ways to equalize who we have by attracting more home buyers who are educated, have stable families and income, and bring with them a different mindset if we are to see any significant change. We’re a good decade or two away if we start now.

SynamonSays!

November 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

I would like to commend the students for their technological savviness in organizing1500 students.

At the same time I condemn the focus of the protest. There are issues that directly affect the educational process that should be addressed. The quality and rigor of instructions are major factors for success. The bar needs to be raised for everyone including students, faculty, staff administrators, board members, parents and community.

Hopefully, the educators who are elected and appointed will seize this as a teachable moment. These same organizational skills can be used to engage the parents and the larger community. The same time and commitment that has been given to uniform dress can be transitioned to raise the quality of education and communication for all.

Prayerfully, there will be out of the box thinking in handling this situation and the response will be more than “discipline”.

oldtimer

November 30th, 2009
2:14 pm

Good move on the county’s part to enforce their own rule! They should have done this many years ago. My own children knew that if they broke a rule and got in trouble there would be consequences at home. Parents, you need to stop worrying about how your child dresses and more about what they learn and how they behave. I am so glad to see the jail clothes gone. And, just because Friday is a jean day, probably a reward, doesn’t mean they can show rear-ends again. Jeas should also fit dress code standards.

Gary Klahr

November 30th, 2009
3:13 pm

I am SHOCKED—but NOT surprised—at the Know-nothing comments above supporting the ABSURD UNIFORM POLICY of the schools. This is NOT a “dress code” issue. All schools HAVE—and NEED to enforce –REGULAR DRESS CODES; indeed all this was CAUSED by FAILING to enforce the PROPER dress code FORMERLY in place. But although I haven’t worn jeans & tees since 7th grade, they are PERFFECTLY APPROPRIATE clothes for school wear—and are ESPECIALLY traditional in the cotton South & West like Georgia. Kids SHOULD rebel against a code that prohibits such clothes and should FLATLY refuse to obey it and refuse to be suspended!!!
In America (see Dr. King & Cesar Chavez=–and THOMAS JEFFERSON), we do NOT follow RULES FOR RULES sake. Reasonable dress codes are enforceable and should be enforced. Bans on APPROPRIATE clothes like PROPERLY-fitted jeans and tee shirts should be resisted to the DEATH. Most of the posters here sound like they want to SHOOT kids wearing such clothes apparentlly; go ahead—you REALLY want another Kent State tragedy???????????????? I served on a HS Board for 8 years; the kids are RIGHT this time and the school board is DEAD WRONG; STOP punishing GOOD kids wearing CLEARLY-appropriate diverse—but NON-uniform –clothes to PUBLIC schools. THese kids are NOT staging a “fashion show” by wanting to wear simple clothes like tees & jeans they have worn since K. E-mail me at GaryK57647@aol.com

GET REAL!

November 30th, 2009
3:18 pm

Why does it have to boil down to the school system. The CHILDREN will do only what the parents allow. PARENTS PLEASE! PARENTS PLEASE! Get real! Your child needs to learn which battle to fight and if you parents have such a problem with the uniform policy, then show up at the meetings and vote. Oops! I forgot, you are too busy for the important stuff. But, you will get involved when it comes to cell phones being taken away and the county wide uniform policy. GET REAL!!

EDUCATOR

November 30th, 2009
3:29 pm

Sorry parents for the inconvience to you. But, teachers deal with your children everyday that are loud, nasty mouth, rude, and very disrespectful. Yes, these kids deserve to wear what they like on their own time. When your child ends up on the internet with her/or his body parts showing from a photo or video, you always call the school wanting to why you where not informed about this and what does the school plan to do. You must be quazy! These are your children that the schools try to make into responsible citizens. Was this a responsible act? No! Parents take control of your children do not expect the schools to do your JOB!!

Sue

November 30th, 2009
3:37 pm

LHS Asst Principal should be suspended for over-riding the uniform dress code. Understand that this is a county wide dress code; not school by school.

Rhonda

November 30th, 2009
4:04 pm

I agree with Gary. All five of my children attended Jonesboro H.S. years ago. These kids should be allowed to wear jeans everyday. The school should enforce a dress code. Once a child reaches his/her teenage years, they are no longer little children. They have become pretty much who they will be as adults. They are old enough to make their own choices and to live with the results. They are old enough to decide if they want to smoke or not. They will take all of the teaching about life that you have given them and make their own choices. Let them decide what they want to wear in High School. Leave the uniforms for the younger children. And enforce a dress code!!!

SA

November 30th, 2009
4:13 pm

Gary Klahr,

Pretty strong opinion from someone who’s never stepped into a classroom in our school system, been to Clayton County, or attended one of our school board meetings. Disbarred from practicing law in AZ and looking to start something here? Or do you always troll and act like you know places you’ve never been?

TheWraithe

November 30th, 2009
6:02 pm

SA is correct. Until the demographics change, the county will not improve. Better quality adults = better quality children, school system, neighborhoods, elected officials, property values, less negative news coverage, fewer gangs, less crime…etc.

Daryl

November 30th, 2009
7:35 pm

To Rhonda;

Listen to yourself! Do you actually realize the tragic state that not only CCPS is in but Clayton County as a whole. Sounds like you are trying to be your children’s friends and not their parents! I truly hope that you don’t think it’s cool for young men to walk around showing their underwear and trying to be thugs…As a resident here you should support whatever measures possible to reign in the apathy, trifling behavior and ghetto-fabulousness that permeates our county. Don’t you wonder why we can’t get any businesses or industry in Clayton? Don’t you wonder why we have the lowest standard of living of all Atlanta area counties? How about the fact we we have the highest crime rate per capita of any county in Georgia? Doesn’t it make you sad that 1/3 of Clayton’s young men 18-30 are under the supervision (incarceration, probation, etc.) of the judicial system?

Honestly, I am ashamed that I live here….my realtor did everything but slap me upside my head to not buy a house, but with the plummeting property values, me and my family are stuck. Bottom line, we are here and I can’t afford to leave, so we are going to do everything possible to make our community better. School uniforms are a just a small step forward, but it is better than sitting back and letting our county slide totally down the toilet…

Please!

November 30th, 2009
8:07 pm

(((Bans on APPROPRIATE clothes like PROPERLY-fitted jeans and tee shirts should be resisted to the DEATH. ))))

This is a kid writing the above, who obviously has not taken his english classes, or was asleep in them. Take charge parents! Show your kids who is the boss!

DoubleAction

November 30th, 2009
8:41 pm

One word best describes the problem “Discipline”,nothing more and nothing less.

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 1st, 2009
12:18 am

While noones watching “ALERT” “Protest Aa One” there are nearly 10,000 high schooler in Clayton. To make these old folk believers we must get at least 95% of your participation on the next “D day”. They can’t expell over 9,000 kids. We will “Force Change”. Remember, with no high schoolers Clayton will need no high school teacher, staff, and so on and so on! WE WILL WIN!

Carlos

December 1st, 2009
8:00 am

Daryl you obviously did not get SA’s point. Hope you can get out of Clayton and soon!

The real problem is people who continue to cite the demographics change as an excuse for their own shortcomings and prejudices. Oh by the way the last time I checked uniforms have no affect on the academic success of a student. It makes those who have the inability to truly challenge our students academically place the blame on how they dress. Put the same amount of emphasis on academic rigor and then you will see significant progress in our schools. Dress codes need to be enforced but uniforms are not the answer to creating a better school or smarter students.

Tell The Truth

December 1st, 2009
9:15 am

This is what you get when students and parents are part of the same age group. These are the priorities of the ‘Babies Having Babies’ parents. Who cares how low our test scores are, we just want our freedom to wear tight jeans or saggy ones. I say, if these parents are not going to be responsible, keep suspending their kids until they finally get their priorities in order. If that means that 30% of our students are expelled, then so be it. There is no excuse for this foolishness when you are in a school system that is underachieving academically. How about this for a compromise, tell the kids and parents if they can become one of the top 5 school systems in the state, they can wear whatever they feel like wearing. Let’s see how motivated they really are.

i like to watch

December 1st, 2009
9:33 am

does better demographics mean white people?

SA

December 1st, 2009
9:44 am

Hey “non-stop now 2010″,

One thing you didn’t think of and most likely because you’re still learning. All students don’t need to be suspended on one day. It could happen to 9K students over a number of months by staggering their suspensions. Here’s some advice for you: The only way you will win long term in this particular battle is to forget about the clothes. Instead, focus your efforts on graduating with good grades, stay out of trouble, listen to and respect others, get a college or trade school education, and then come back and contribute/share your talents with your community so that you can help make a difference by making it a better place to live for future generations. That my young friend, is how you will win.

SA

December 1st, 2009
9:58 am

I like to Watch,

No. It doesn’t. I was pretty clear with the demographic attributes I feel need to change. Color wasn’t one of them.

Dixiedarling

December 1st, 2009
1:37 pm

I don’t think that Dr. King, Thomas Jefferson or Cesar Chavez would have wasted their time protesting a dress code when there is so many more important things that these kids could be protesting.
With all the problems this school system has, I think that they worry way too much about their pants.

Daryl

December 1st, 2009
1:45 pm

Carlos;

The fact is that CCPS like most of Clayton county has serious problems. All of Georgia Schools have the same academic standards and the same goals they should achieve. Then why do our schools fail so miserably? It’s not like we get less school dollars per capita and our teachers get paid better than most of the surrounding counties. It may be because Clayton is filled with apathethic residents and this translates to apathy in our students as well. I go to every school open house and you might get 5-10% of the parents to show if you are lucky. At my child’s school In Virginia, If you got there late, you couldn’t get a seat during PTA. They also had one of the best schools in the state. Parents cared and it showed in the students.

The facts show without a shadow of a doubt that schools with uniform dress codes do better academically and provide a safer environments for our children. I for one don’t rely solely on heresay, I do my own research, which is what I challenge you to do. I dare say that most sensible residents are glad to see students at least looking halfway decent, instead of having young men with their pants sagging and wearing oversized clown clothes. It reflects well on our community when the children look presentable. Most normal folks don’t want to see their neighborhood look like the set from “Rap City”, either . It ain’t about demographics…It ain’t about race…It’s about making a better Clayton County for everyone. One where people care about their communities and themselves and try to do the right thing. In 2009, being low class is so passe….

i like to watch

December 1st, 2009
1:47 pm

SA

December 1st, 2009
2:30 pm

Yes, really. There are countless other demographic variables other than color or race that determine a demographic profile.

DoubleAction

December 1st, 2009
6:47 pm

The Professors of logic has spoken to much larger audiences, that we here and much wiser.

DoubleAction

December 1st, 2009
6:47 pm

The Professors of logic has spoken to much larger audiences, that we here and much wiser.

DoubleAction

December 1st, 2009
9:12 pm

Thank Goodness we have the desk top cowboys to solve our problems in this county. Just don’t forget to pass the popcorn.

Rachelle

December 1st, 2009
9:23 pm

Until the CCBOE begins to hold parents responsible for their children’s actions, the county will continue to be in the abyss of hell that it is in. Some parents could care less about the dress code or anything else remotely associated with school. However, they will run to the schools like bats out of hell if their children tell them that my teacher said so and so to me. Let’s face it. Clayton County is not the same county that it was even ten years ago. We were able to leave our childrens’ riding toys on the lawn overnight, and they would be there the next morning. Now, we have to make sure that we are safe within the confines of our homes. The demographics have changed and so has the quality of life. Pawn shops line Tara Blvd along with no-tote car lots. Young men walk the streets with underwear showing and younger women push strollers up and down Mt. Zion all day long. Section 8 has destroyed this county. We need to send these people back to Atlanta with their lack of values and lack of commitment to education. It is so sad.

Nonya

December 1st, 2009
9:37 pm

We all need to stop tap dancing around the issue and call the issues as they really are. When lower socioeconomic residents from Atlanta were forced down our throats in Clayton County, that is when the county started to change. In order to see Clayton rise from the ashes, we have got to have more young, educated, stable families move here. That may mean going the way of other counties and pricing some people out. It is what it is. If I had wanted to live in the ghetto, I would have bought a house there. Hopefully C-Tran will bite the dust soon and that will be the first step.

pj

December 1st, 2009
9:47 pm

Priorities people….it’s called SELF-SLAVERY….scary

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 1st, 2009
9:53 pm

Daryl said, ” Most normal folks don’t want to see their neighborhood look like the set from “Rap City”, either.” Guess what Daryl you and your generation are near death, let us young folk “Live” you had your day! Another thing, as long as Atlanta is the “Black Mecca” and “Hip Hop Capital of the World”, the demographic profile of the metro area “WON’T CHANGE” will only get darker. Remember you brought us over to this country to built up the east coast. Young and aggressive hah! Get over your silly selves; like the old song says, “Times they are achanging” you know the song! Protest As One, get ready we need at least 9,000 + to commit! Get

andy

December 1st, 2009
10:06 pm

Dixie Darling for the prosecution, closing argument made and the jury is in! Dear students focus on getting an education and all the major problems going on around you. I have no memory of what I wore in high school and you won’t either nor will you care 10 years from now.

Barbara

December 2nd, 2009
6:22 am

My son has a pair of black pants that he has worn about 20 times at school and no one said anything until Friday and he has always worn the pants. He was given a letter but all I had to do was come to the school on Monday he was never suspended, but while I was there some kids looked awful. I came to the office and his name was crossed off the list that they had. I told the Principal he has always worn the pants. He asked me that some of the teachers let students get away with it in homeroom but everything is okay with my son, and he is a senior. My suggested is that I love my teachers but some don’t wear want they are suppose to wear too, and the kids see this. Make sure they looked good I saw girls with those leggings on and I thought that they were not to wear them to school.

Not again

December 2nd, 2009
9:56 am

Non-Stop Now 2010,

Take a look around in Clayton. How’s the “hip hop” and “black mecca” attitudes working for ya?

Shame

December 2nd, 2009
2:21 pm

Non-Stop Now 2010,
Please proofread your writing before posting. You are only proving that your generation needs to focus on getting an education, and getting away from whatever it is that you are focusing on now.

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
5:04 pm

Clayton County has always been a working class environment, not a upper class educated population of urban professionals. This county has always been inhabited by those from the farms and the cities, in order to work closer to work closer to their jobs. The people came to Clayton County in order to work and place their families in homes which they could afford.

This county had a stockpile of emergency funds, until the free loaders came in to strip tree. Now we are told to bend over to make room for a new social order; I don’t think so.

Daryl

December 2nd, 2009
6:53 pm

Non-Stop;

First of all, your literary skills are atrocious…I suggest you have someone educated proof your stuff. Second, if being 39 and of mixed black/white heritage means I am with an old wash-up generation, so be it…I will tell you this, I am old enough to know that things do go in cycles…What goes down, must come up. Clayton County is scraping bottom now but it will rise again…just not fast enough for me. In the mean-time, I would like to know if you really consider a 13% unemployment rate acceptable? What about the 14% rate of our residents that live below the poverty line? How about 15-19 year teen pregnancy rate that is one of the highest in the country? I could go on ad nauseum with stats that show that our county is consistently at or near the bottom of all the metro counties, but it obvoisly can’t resonate within you.

What is really sad is, that many residents simply don’t care…The prevailing attitude seems to be “As long as I got 24’s on my square-body, my EBT card is tight, my sag is on and David Banner keeps dropping mad beats, it’s all good..!” That is the reason why this county is so jacked up. The Clayton that I visited before the Millenium was a great place to raise your kids and live…Hopefully, as Nonya mentioned, C-TRAN’s demise will definitely help. Now, I am starting to see why Fayette and Cobb counties have such high property taxes…

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
8:39 pm

It don’t take a genius to figure what happened in Clayton County; What I don’t like, we are forbidden to discuss it.

Gary klahr

December 2nd, 2009
8:46 pm

So now my enemies—unable to answer my arguments—are playing the “disbarment card”—from the bottom of the deck, to quote atty Robert Shapiro in the O.J. case. You fools do NOT understand what this issue is all about—apparently neither the kids NOR the adults. It has NOTHING to do with hip-hop, blacks, or wearing baggy clothes showing underwear. NOTHING. Such clothing is barred by EVERY dress code in the nation–including the school board I ewas TWICE elected to—once on a write-in!!!
This issue is SOLELY about the right of RESPONSIBLE PARENTS—not kids—to choose APPROPRIATE clothes to wear to PUBLIC schools. Won’tANYONE explain what is wrong with TEE shirts (unlike the required polos, they show NO cleavage or skin) or PROPERLY-fitted denim jeans (uni khakis can be worn JUST as oversized as
the banned denim jeans).

WE ( I represent the views of millions of parents in 30+states)JUST
want to send our kids in traditional., conservative clothes worn for 50-100 years like tees &^ jeans. Does ANYONE here UNDERSTAND English????????????????????????

Daryl

December 2nd, 2009
10:18 pm

Gary;

I really find it hard to believe that anybody could be elected to a school board that writes as “profoundly” as you do…You’d give my third grader a serious run for his money…The bottom line is that if our children were prospering and filling the college ranks instead of the court system and our school system was meeting respectable goals, there would be no need for a uniform policy.

Even if it is a little inconvenient (it really isn’t…) I support the Superintendent 200% on this one…He only wants to prepare our children for success (Unlike many parents who simply view their kids as their “running partners” instead of someone that they can mentor, develop, and nurture…). However, everybody has a right to their own opinion. The great thing about our Nation is that if you don’t like something, you can work towards improving the situation.

As for your exposition, since you love to you use “CAPS” and exhibit a total disregard to all known rules of punctuation to try to make your point, please enlighten this forum on how you would improve the underachieving CCPS and Clayton County as a whole…Letting them wear what they want has already been proven not to help…

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
10:32 pm

It seems like everything that comes in contact with Atlanta & Fulton County, becomes tainted with corruption, wasteful overspending, and the freeloading philosophy on living off the goodwill of others.

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
10:51 pm

When in Rome, do as the Romans do; Clayton County is the exception to that rule.

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 2nd, 2009
10:56 pm

Shame, DoubleAction, Gary klahr, Not again! You guys are so old and senile that you can’t remember that your kind screwed up the Americas for everyone else but yourselves even your children see this. However, you’ve been so privileged all your lives because of your skin color. Like I said “Things They Are A Changing” Enough with you old folk! Wave 1 “Protest As One” counted 1500. Wave 2 need to be triple that number. However, my young folk I’ll say again the next Wave need to be “MASSIVE” upward of 9,000+, now that’s an “ATTENTION” Getter! We can “WIN”. These fool teachers, principals, administators, even the superintendent have to work, have a job. “MASSIVE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE” is our only chose for “DRESS FREEDOM”

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
11:53 pm

Gary klahr

December 2nd, 2009
8:46 pm

“This issue is SOLELY about the right of RESPONSIBLE PARENTS—not kids—to choose APPROPRIATE clothes to wear to PUBLIC schools.”

It has do with the Conformance to the Requirements, of following the rules. We have rules to follow,it is just a part of living in a civilized society.
DoubleAction

November 30th, 2009
8:41 pm
One word best describes the problem “Discipline”,nothing more and nothing less.

Concerned Spouse

December 3rd, 2009
2:32 am

My spouse is an administrator at one of the Clayton County High Schools. The school is trying to start a P.T.S.A in the school, which by law they are suppose to have. The only problem is that to start one they have to have at least 5 people to show up. Only 4 people showed for the meeting after my spouse sent out those automatic calls to each parent in the school, place the meeting times in the local school paper, and sent notes to the parents via there children. Clayton County parents are to blame for the mess the county is in.

Concerned Spouse

December 3rd, 2009
2:34 am

Only 200 where suspended.

Fedup

December 3rd, 2009
9:38 am

Was it worth it? We are failing our kids right now because everybody wants them to get by! Go work at McDonald’s and don’t wear your uniform, or go work at AT & T and don’t come dressed professionally! Its not about what they WANT its about the POLICY. The parents had time to vote but did not show up at the meetings, so no vote no voice. As a teacher when our students get into the REAL WORLD they are going to be VERY SURPRISED. School systems say don’t give 0’s well if Johnny didn’t do his work what do you think Johnny should get. Well give Johnny 2 or 3 chances, so when Johnny still doesn’t do it what should I give Johnny? A 50? Really!!!! Well when Johnny goes to work out of uniform he will be written up and sent home to change. And when he comes back and doesn’t do his job Johnny will be terminated, and replaced within the hour. But we told Johnny the world was full of patience and compassion for slackers, right?

New BOE squarely to blame

December 3rd, 2009
3:06 pm

On a big picture level, it’s the parents. But if you are looking for who’s responsible at CCPS, but this one squarely on the new board, especially the current and former teachers.

These current and former teachers know that if teachers are not given support chaos ensues. They also knew, as current and former teachers there is no way they couldn’t have known, that when they came into office discipline was out of control in CCPS.

But instead of taking a real stand on discipline, they took a pseudo stand with uniforms. So when school started, it was business as usual; no consequences for the students’ actions. So when you are used to getting away with everything, you’ll try anything, and that’s what the students did.

The only reason the students thought they could get away with it, is that they have been getting away with practically everything else, thanks to a BOE, especially the current and former teachers on it who know better, but who still haven’t offered one bit of meaningful support to the CCPS classroom teacher.

What you deserve

December 3rd, 2009
3:11 pm

The way to fix this is simple. You elect nine board members whose first priority, above all other priorities is restoring discipline to the school system. You demand they hire a superintendent, whose first priority, above all other priorities, is restoring discipline to the school system.

But you haven’t done that, you haven’t even come remotely close to doing that. And therefore you have but one inescapable conclusion.

You are getting the school system you RICHLY and FULLY deserve.

Shannon, M.Div.

December 3rd, 2009
5:00 pm

I think folks are looking at this backwardly.

These are teenagers. Their brains haven’t matured and won’t until they are age 25. To those who are essentially telling the teenagers that this is a stupid battle and don’t pick it… well, I think you’re telling the wrong party.

Some studies have shown that uniforms assist with academics… other studies, published and peer reviewed, have shown no such correlation. Given that the research is inconclusive at this point, why is this the battle the administration has chosen to fight?

Give in, drop the uniforms, and enforce the dress code instead. Or get creative. Let students who make certain grades (or hit certain other achievement targets–attendance, perhaps, or even an individual improvement benchmark) have uniform-free privileges. You might make high grades cool among the student population if it’s the only way you get out of looking like a dork.

I graduated from Lovejoy in 1992. I never wore a uniform a day in my life, for any school or any job, and I’m proud of that. If I had been told I would have to wear a uniform. that would have made my little nonconformist heart very angry, and I would have spent a lot of time fighting that… instead of, you know, blowing the water out of the SATs, taking and passing four Advanced Placement exams, and generally killing academically.

This is a really stupid fight… for the administration to pick. They should be focused on academics, not gimmicks poorly backed up by the most current research.

Resolve

December 3rd, 2009
5:38 pm

@Concerned parent:
You are wrong. By law, schools are suppose to have school councils not PTSA.

Shannon is right

December 3rd, 2009
7:18 pm

Shannon asks, why has the administration chosen this battle? Simple, to create the illusion, to create the facade that they are dealing with discipline. Ask a Clayton County teacher, and they will tell you, the administration up to and including the BOE and Superintendent have shown no leadership at all on this issue.

If you are applauding the Heatley here, you are showing what a willing dupe you are, to think that he has done something that he clearly has not. But like it was noted earlier, if Heatley and those before him have let the students get away with everything, why are you surprised that they will try anything?

Gary klahr

December 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm

Listen to SHANNON. Her post says it all! Daryl & most of the rest of you STILL DON’T GET IT. This is NOT an issue of discipline or “dress for success.” It is a matter that you-all and your stupid school bd are trying to ban PERFECTLY-appropriate clothes allowed in 90 pct of U.S. schools for 50+ years. Since when are KIDS required to dress the same as adults working in an office???? FYI, the GPA of kids opted-out of uniforms in Sacramento was ONE WHOLE GRADE point higher than the conformists you-all admire who wore the polo/khaki uni there.
NO ONE is advocating free dress or “dress how you want” as Daryl claims. And FYI, as an unpaid school bd member for 8 years, I spent 90 pct of my time on student achievement; that is my WHOLE POINT; we did NOT worry about dress codes and unis. We had a standard dress code at our 25k-enrollment high schools and had No great problem enforcing it. We also passed an anti-bullying code that penalized kids making fun of other kids’ BODIES or CLOTHES. In other words, we punished BAD kids—;you-all want to punish the GOOD kids too by making them wear uniforms like prisoners. No thanks.

AS for my grammar, I FINISHED FIRST IN MY CLASS IN LAW SCHOOL AND HAD all A’S IN UNDERGRADUATE college. I have been a journalist since age 10. But I am typing wildly here because I am FURIOUS—both at your stupid policy and especially at the stupid posters herein who do NOT understand what this is all about.

If you have unruly kids, send them to alternative school or expel them. Do NOT think that the bandaid of a uni will do anything. The only two books on unis—by Dr. David Brunsma of the U of Mo. at Columbia–make clear that unis do NOT improve academics OR discipline.

And in America, we do NOT pass rules for rules sake. Freedom of Parents TO CHOOSE CLOTHES FOR THEIR KIDS IS BASIC. IF YOU WANT EVERYONE LOOKING ALIKE, YOU-ALL please EMIGRATE TO Cuba, NORTH KOREA OR China; THEN YOU will be happy maybe. Finally, if you want to know MY credentials, look me up in Who’s Who in the World!!!/s/ Gary Peter Klahr, J.D., Phoenix

In short, I deplore improperly-dressed and poor-achieving students AS MUCH AS ANY OF YOU. BUT I believe in reaL SOLUTIONS—NOT BANDAIDS ON CANCER LIKE THE REST OF YOU.

I SAY AGAIN—dress codes—yes—EBNFORCE & EXPEL; UNIFORMS—I WILL FIGHT YOU TO THE death—LITERALLY. BRING OUT THE GUNS LIKE AT KENT STATE—START SHOOTING KIDS FOR WEARING TEE SHIRTS IF YOU-ALL FEEL THAT IS VITAL TO THE FUTURE OF CLAYTON COUNTY.

DoubleAction

December 3rd, 2009
8:56 pm

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 2nd, 2009
10:56 pm

“Shame, DoubleAction, Gary klahr, Not again! You guys are so old and senile that you can’t remember that your kind screwed up the Americas for everyone else but yourselves even your children see this. However, you’ve been so privileged all your lives because of your skin color.”

I earned my rights to be called a American, every day of my life. It is not a gift that someone gives to you, just because you was born in this country, it is full of obligations.

i like to watch, but can't see

December 3rd, 2009
8:59 pm

I aggree with Shannon and Gary klahr the only reason CCCBOE is requiring uniform is because the rich plutocrats told them what to have the black child to wear. CCBOE no guts!

Heatley and his moral authority

December 3rd, 2009
9:00 pm

How can Heatley suspend students for breaking a rule without looking like a total hypocrite since he’s been breaking the law?

Unless something has happened in the last few days that didn’t get reported, Heatley has gone over a month not responding to a Open Records request asking for how much money CCPS paid to Glen Brock, including monies paid to Glen Brock to conduct the search that brought Heatley to Clayton.

Has Heatley finally complied with the law? If not why not? And if not, how can Heatley be considered anything other than a joke, for suspending students for breaking a rule, while at the same time he is breaking a law?

DoubleAction

December 3rd, 2009
10:25 pm

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 2nd, 2009
10:56 pm

“Shame, DoubleAction, Gary klahr, Not again! You guys are so old and senile that you can’t remember that your kind screwed up the Americas for everyone else but yourselves even your children see this”

You have nothing to blame on except yourself; Every American has the obligation to feel responsible for his or her actions. The color of one’s skin should make no difference in one’s character.

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
12:28 am

@I like to watch….You’re an idiot. Everything you’ve said has something to do with race. Someone is always trying to do something to the black kids. I think you’re a mole who comes on this board to make racially charged remarks for the sake of disruption. I’m black and completely disagree with everything you try to provoke.

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
12:34 am

@Daryl I agree with you 2000%. I am a homeowner also. I bought property in 2004….I regret it with a passion. I wish I had moved to fayette or henry. The home I bought was inexpensive considering the size and land space (I live off Noah’s Ark) The area was clean, quiet, close to stores and schools….Its still a quiet area, but the rest of the county is lacking.

The accreditation issue really hurt the most. Home values are down nation wide, but the school system fiasco was insult to injury. Lake Spivey doesn’t care because the kids there go to private school. Who can afford private schools?

We need a better mix of people in this county …the question is how…eliminating C-Tran is a good start

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
12:52 am

Those students need to focus on read, writing and speaking english instead of the right to wear overpriced clothes to an underachieving school system. I like the idea of rewarding high achieving students the privilege of wearing their own clothes…..a monthly dress down day would be a decent compromise but the students need to show some initiative and improvement before any compromise can be made

1. Eliminate C-Tran
2. Raise school standards and increase academic achievement
3. Redevelop, Redevelop, Redevelop….North Tara Blvd looks like a wasteland……Victor Hill closed down those brothels yet the building stay boarded up and plastered with grafitti….some trees and sidewalks would be nice…NO MORE PAWN SHOPS OR CHECK CASHING!!!!!!

4. Why are there not 1…but 2 trailer parks on Tara? Seriously, is that the first thing someone entering the county is suppose to see? Do you see the grafitti and crime around said areas…GET RID OF THEM.

5. Get rid of Eldrin Bell ASAP…and for the love of humanity, don’t elect his assistant, good friend, colleague or partner in his place…NO MORE MORE OF THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6. No more apartments or low income housing….we have enough apartments.

7. Crime proliferates in certain spots…..College Park/Riverdale…..Forest Park, Trailer Parks…..Swarm the PARKS!!!!!!

8. Fire any teacher who does anything remotely close to the bufoonary demonstrated in the facebook fight between Rex Middle teahers

Please add to the list and lets get a network going …similar to what the students did except the goals is improving Clayton not fighting over uniforms.

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
1:12 am

@Non-stop 2010…You’re an idiot also. You’d mobilize students to protest wearing a uniform…why don’t you protest being at the bottom of every academic statistical measure ?

Unless you’re self employed….you’re going to have to adhere to some type of dress code, ask the Jonesboro chief of police ( :

Last, I’d like to think that you’re an adult posing as a child for the sake disruption on this forum…. your points make no sense. Why don’t you withdraw and go to one of the trashy schools in Atlanta …you know, the reverse of what happened to CC during the Olympics…..Go to Doug High…wear what you want and continue to be an aspiring rapper and eventually get a video on worldstarhiphop.com…..better yet…..get arrested and get street cred like Gucci Mane…..or better yet get shot over an east Clayton vs west Clayton beef……You’re a moron, I’d hate for any kid to have to go to a school with misguided idiots such as yourself.

Concerned Spouse

December 4th, 2009
2:35 am

@ Resolve,

Your right. Not PTSA, but School Councils. My point is that only 4 people should up!! We are arguing about dress code and uniforms, but the parents don’t come to a meeting which could actually open up an arena for them to make significant positive change in the school environment. Sad.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
3:21 am

It’s not about a person’s skin color; It’s about the content of one’s character.

Barbara

December 4th, 2009
6:21 am

What has Heatley done? Don’t hear from him or see him at all around the schools. Just another person sitting around getting paid.

Turn around

December 4th, 2009
7:57 am

The reason for the school uniforms is some girls wearing questionable outfits and a large number of guys wearing pants waists at their knees with 2 pair of underwear showing. I have seen blacks, whites, hispanics and asians dressed this way. No self respect. It is better to have a uniform policy than to wait until per chance some parent of a 14, 12 or 8 year old female sued the system for sexual harassment for the fact their child had to witness this spectacle ever day in a school their taxes pay for. If you do not like the school uniform policy, Clayton is a small county, move 5 miles and you can be in another county and deal with their issues. Or become their issues.

there you go

December 4th, 2009
9:22 am

If you punish the “bad” kids in Clayton the “bad” parents raise a big fuss about you pickin on poor Johnny. And usually the race card is used early in any conversation on discipline and kids in our schools.
We are better than that and we need to grow beyond that.

Nonya

December 4th, 2009
11:34 am

I agree with Jonesboro. Luckily the south side of Clayton hasn’t gone the way of North Clayton yet but it will be soon if we don’t do something. I pulled my child out of our neighborhood school once it got over crowded with students from failing areas on the northside. Our kids weren’t perfect but the school really went to the dogs when it became a school of choice. Luckily I can afford something better for my child and I chose that option. I am angry though that I am forced to deal with the consequences of others bad choices. If you want better opportunities for your child, then clean up your own area. Don’t send their little bad behinds to ruin mine.

As an African American, I am so ashamed of what my generation has done. Where this sense of entitlement came from I don’t know. The following things really irk me about this generation of users:

I’m sick of paying for their EBT cards. Bring back food pantries. If they truly can’t afford food then they would willing get if from a food bank. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my child. Stop worrying about people’s pride. They should be embarrassed if they have been on welfare for 3 damn generations. Why the hell should my tax dollars pay for them to get something that looks like a credit card. Maybe shame would make them get off their butts and do something.

Stop letting people get homes on section 8. If you want a home do what is required to get one. Work hard for it. They get these homes on section 8 and have no appreciation for what they have been given. Keep your little bad behind heathens off others property and inside at a decent hour.

I don’t give a darn that they need C Tran to get to work. I moved to an area without public transportation because I didn’t want to be bothered with what it brought in. The home owners of Clayton county voted against Ctran. Those baffoons in power used a back door to get it here. I don’t think my taxes should subsidize their need for transportation. Clayton is not North Fulton nor Cobb so don’t try to give me the lame story about how public transportation hasn’t hurt them. It wouldn’t hurt us either if we had a different type of government. Cobb has it’s bad areas. I lived there for years. The difference is Cobb County keeps those areas sequestered.

Stop always being so darn quick to jump to little Jaquan’s defense when his bad butt gets in trouble at school. If they raised his behind instead of trying to hang out with their boo or go to the club, they would know that his butt is bad as hell. Oh but they already do. They just don’t care. Why should my child’s education be hindered because the teacher has to spend 20 minutes out of a 40 minute class arguing with RayRay, Jaquan, and Lil’ T ?

Stop giving the sad tale about how they have to work 2-3 part time jobs to take care of their kids. Here’s a thought. Only have the number of kids you can afford. How about that? When they had the first one, they sure has heck now knew where kids came from? They should do what it takes to not have more if they can’t afford more. I’m tired of paying for their medicaid, their afterschool programs, etc.

Also to Doubleaction–Clayton may have started as a “working class” community but it had begun to change, especially the areas closest to Fayette and Henry. Gone were the days of the Confederacy and Bubba riding on the back of the pick up and spitting tobacco juice on to Tara Blvd. Young educated, hard working, professionals were moving here. Lake Spivey, Crystal Lake, The Waterford. All high income areas. My neighborhood, while not Lake Spivey, consisted of young nurses, lawyers, educators etc. That’s part of the reason I chose it. I wanted to be around like minded people. It was nice back then. It had great racial and generational diversity.

I first moved to Clayton when the area was swamped with Confederate flags, Dixie outfitters clothing and racism. Now I have to deal with loud music, butts showing from shagging pants, and crime. I don’t know which is worse but I think I would rather have the red necks back. At least they were too cowardly to really bother anyone.

SA

December 4th, 2009
11:45 am

If the community was different, uniforms wouldn’t be needed. However, we are where we are. A uniform policy prevents local gangs from wearing their colors in our schools, decreases violence and theft of trendy clothes, shoes, etc., reduces need for administrators and teachers to be ‘clothes police, limits distractions, instills community, and advocates recognition of those that do and don’t belong on campus. Sorry Shannon and Gary but it’s not 1992 at Lovejoy anymore and there’s more to uniforms than academics and discipline within the classroom.

Peggy Sue Davis

December 4th, 2009
1:05 pm

Nonya for Mayor/Chairperson/County CEO!

Daryl

December 4th, 2009
5:36 pm

Gary;

I am glad you clarified that point concerning your writing skills….I had first thought you were a moron, but after seeing your new improved literary prowess, I realize you are a blithering idiot.

Here’s a tip for you; through all the years of education and positions of reposnsibility that you purportedly have, somebody should have told you that typing in all “CAPS” doesn’t get your point across…it just makes you look uneducated.

Sorry, but no one is going to take anyone serious that can’t write a decent paragraph…

Daryl

December 4th, 2009
5:50 pm

Nonya,

Go ahead with your bad self!!!!! Best post of the forum!

What we really need!

December 4th, 2009
6:21 pm

What we really need is to oust the entire BOC, and replace them with someone who actually tries to improve the county. The current board does nothing but attend meetings. They don’t try to get business here. They don’t try to improve the county image. They have no vision. We need young blood with vision, and I am not talking about electing unqualified people the likes of the last one who tried to unseat Eldrin. We need people who can sit down with business leaders comfortably, and who has a real goal to clean up this county. No more freeloader politicians.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
6:41 pm

Nonya

December 4th, 2009
11:34 am

“Also to Doubleaction–Clayton may have started as a “working class” community but it had begun to change, especially the areas closest to Fayette and Henry. Gone were the days of the Confederacy and Bubba riding on the back of the pick up and spitting tobacco juice on to Tara Blvd.”

For your information; I was raised in The City Of Atlanta and I drive a Corvette, and my name is not Bubba. Get off your high horse of condemning the working class families who built this county.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
6:45 pm

Nonya; You sound like you’re full of Hate.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
6:51 pm

Nonya; With all these so called high end professionals moving in, why do we still have section 8 housing and food stamp programs. You are full of it.

i like to watch, but can't see

December 4th, 2009
7:18 pm

Just like I said earlier, Clayton’s rich plutocrats have vilified the “Lil black child”. Listen to what Nonya (who is white, You Lie) says ” I am so ashamed of what my generation has done. Where this sense of entitlement came from I don’t know. The following things really irk me about this generation of users”. SA said, “A uniform policy prevents local gangs from wearing their colors in our schools, decreases violence and theft of trendy clothes, shoes, etc., reduces need for administrators and teachers to be ‘clothes police, limits distractions. The Black population in Clayton is weak minded, that why they allow their accreditation to be taken! The whites caused accreditation loss of cost the county millions of dollars in property tax increase, home value loss, decrease businesses came. CCBOE is destroying the school system because they can’t “STAND UP” for their own! ENOUGH SAID!

Shannon, M.Div.

December 4th, 2009
7:27 pm

Turn around, the problem you’re discussing could be solved by enforcing a dress code. It does not require uniforms but guidelines.

Kimy

December 4th, 2009
7:52 pm

Nonya,

Seriously I would vote for you. This is what my family talk about often.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
9:41 pm

The dress codes works good in the Hospitals, The Military, The Police, The Fire Departments, The Postal Service, UPS, Our Factories, Trucking Industries, and even our food service industries; why can’t it work for our school age children, when nothing else works ?

lovejoy

December 4th, 2009
11:19 pm

@Double Action Nonya’s comments are not hateful…they are realistic, honest and practical. We can’t pretend for the sake of being politically correct…The things she mentioned are the things that actually happen. People need to acknowledge what is true instead of living in denial and avoiding real issues. She sounds more like someone who is angered than hateful.

tony

December 4th, 2009
11:44 pm

Seems the superintendent has bigger issues to worry about, like how his senior staff all got hired without the proper Ga. .certification. Stay tuned for this to hit the news. Just more of the same old thing. Didn’t he promise the DA that he would not bring in people from the outside, well he did and now it will be revealed they did not even meet the job descriptions. His number 2 person has never even been a teacher or principal now she is 2nd in command of a huge school system. Here we go again. Board is trying to cover up everything because they hired him.

DoubleAction

December 5th, 2009
12:19 am

Nonya; Your perception of this county is as warped as your narrowed mind. There is more to this county than the borders surrounding Fayette and Henry counties. I’ve have lived this county since 1961; you are still a newbie in this county. When Rome, do as the Romans do.

Nonya

December 5th, 2009
12:21 pm

Doubleaction,

My perception isn’t warped. I’m just not afrid to call it like it is. Call me narrow minded all you want. If that is what I am, then I will wear it as a badge of honor. My narrow mindedness and that of my family has led me to be successful both personally & professionally. I was raised with a moral compass and great work ethics. I care enough about my fellow man to not want them to be “slaves to the system”. I am not against social programs but I am against the abuse of those said programs. Sometimes tough love is what is needed. You are probably one of the idiots who had a problem with what Bill Cosby had to say when he made an honest appeal to the African American community. Or one of the ones that had a problem with President Obama urging African American men to be there for their children.

Part of the problem could be that you are just that–part of the problem. “When Rome ,do as the Romans do”? That speaks volumes. Those words should be spoken to those who have come in and lowered the community standards instead of maintaining them or raising them. You appear to be the apathetic type who doesn’t give a darn that this county has gone to hell in a hand basket. You don’t give a darn that we are the laughing stock of Metro Atlanta and quite possibly all of GA. (Heck, the loss of accreditation made NATIONAL news.) More so, you don’t care that the lack of responsibility is leading to a generation that will be lost. The dumbing down of America has already begun and GA is at the lowest level of the low. That’s nothing to be proud of. It’s people such as yourself that have contributed to this by sitting back and taking the laissez faire approach. If you have truly been in Clayton County since ‘61, then you should be ashamed of what this county has become. Or maybe you are one of the ones I speak of who is being a leech on our society. Maybe you are one of the ones that I see in the store buying hundreds of dollars worth of crab legs on an EBT card. Maybe you are one of the ones using an EBT card to buy two grocery carts of food with nothing of any real nutritional value in the cart. Maybe you are one of the ones offering to sell me the use of said EBT card for 50 cents on the dollar. Maybe you are raising kids that have no degree of hope for a real future. Or worse, maybe you are one of the ones who doesn’t want to see my people better themselves. Maybe you want to continue to see African Americans as “second class Americans”.

So as a “newbie” I say if Rome is going to hell in a hand basket— burn it and build something new from the ashes. If it means that lazy relics such as yourself are forced out, then so be it. We need to instill a new sense of pride in this community. We need to bring back the good work ethics that Americans were once known for. We need to teach our children the value of education. We need to truly make this be a better place for all to live. Where EVERYONE has the chance to develop to their full potential and be an assest to our society.

And in regards to my being full of hate, you are right. I hate what has become of my people. I hate that there are more black men in the penal system than in college. I hate that we have such a high rate of births to teen mothers. I hate that most African American young men are following a dress code that was based off the prison system instead of following the dress codes of outstanding African Americans such as Dr. Ben Carson and President Obama. I hate that we keep giving a type of “credence” to the racial sterotypes that abound about African Americans. I say it is time for us to define who we are as African Americans and to do that we must first uplift those who are holding us back. That’s why I chose to stay and fight instead of running to Henry or Fayette like the majority of my neighbors.

As I have already spent too much of my valuable time engaging in an obviously unmatched rhetorical sparring match with you, I will bid you adieu. I am off to spend time actually volunteering in my community and attempting to better my community one child at a time. I challenge you to do the same.

Gary Klahr

December 5th, 2009
7:51 pm

Again, I am amazed at the SIMPLISTIC thinking of the “conservative Anglos” aka Rednecks who have criticized my position. Unlike you, i am an EXPERT on both unis & dress codes. I agree that unis CAN bring a sense of TEMPORARY (key word) DISCIPLINE to a disorderly school—but it is like a coat of paint on a dilapidated building. I DO agree that kids NEED discipline and should ONLY wear APPROPRIATE clothes to school; I could EVEN agree on a compromise allowing only honor-roll kids to wear street clothes; but MUCH FAIRER is my proposal for unis combined with OPT-OUT-WITH-TEETH. Under that plan, parents could opt out ANY kid NOT on disciplinary or academic probation. BUT they would have to OBEY the regular dress code (No Britney tops for girls; no hip-hop baggy pants for boys). Violators would be DOUBLE-punished; they would lose their opt-out and have to wear a uni the rest of the year AND they would be detained after school, sent to Saturday “Breakfast Club” school and/or forced to pick up trash on campus. In my opinion, such measures would QUICKLY END all these dress code violations you-all are claiming WITHOUT HURTING THE GOOD KIDS—the only ones I care about. The BIG ERROR of ALL you pro-uni people is that you TOTALLY ignore the interests or rights of the Good kids; you seem to say they must be punished TOO to “get” at the bad kids. NOT SO—that is NOT how we operate in America. GROUP-PUNISHMENT IS NOT FAIR OR LEGAL. Remember, the Jim Crow laws were originally enacted because after slavery was illegal, the Redneck Whites SINCERELY assumed that Blacks were not yet fit for full citizenship. REMEMBER?????

At least this debate IS realistic; RACE IS behind the uni issue BOTH in big cities with many Blacks AND in the SW here with our Hispanics. It is interesting that in such settings, BOTH the Redneck Whites AND the minority group demand unis; we find very few Blacks or Hispanics against unis; it is only bright (mostly Jewish like me) Whites who care about civil liberties. But the majority have NO MORE RIGHT to impose unnecessary unis on GOOD kids than they have
to impose segregation on minority Blacks or Hispanics!!!!!!!!

So easily manipulated

December 6th, 2009
12:18 am

The BOE will be voting Monday on which law firm to use for legal representation. Glen Brock’s firm is one of the finalist. Perhaps his firm is the most qualified, perhaps it is not. Either way, there is no public record, at least in the mainstream media, of Superintendent Heatley ever having responded to last month’s Open Records request asking how much CCPS has paid Glen Brock.

So please, by all means, keep on blabbering about the uniforms. You are playing the role that you have shown yourselves to be so adept at. Ignorant and uninformed.

KimWhit

December 6th, 2009
7:48 am

Nonya, I was about to post a comment here but your comments beautifully says it all. I completely agree with you! My husband and I are sending our daughter to a high quality private school in College. We like to school but hate the fact that we have no alternative. This county has so much potential! I have a question? There has simply go to be a way for all like minded individuals in this county to unite! Maybe we can galvanize and start a citizens board and make some grass root changes? We have got to come together in a visible manner and make our concerns 100% known. There are too many decent, law abiding individuals posting on this board who have so much at stake. Let’s get some ideas going!!!

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
8:26 pm

Gary Klahr; You can blame it all on Hip Hop and the Gangster Rappers for this current trend in our teenage society. Things was a lot different we were listening to The Four Tops and Wilson Pickett.Everything went downhill when Roy Rogers and Ward Cleaver passed away; they was our only hope.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
8:32 pm

Nonya; “If it means that lazy relics such as yourself are forced out, then so be it.”

It’s people like yourself that makes this county unlivable for anyone else.

Shouldn't school boards obey the law?

December 6th, 2009
8:45 pm

Why are the current and former teachers on the BOE silent about allegations that Superintendent Heatley is refusing to follow O.C.G.A. 20-2-989.8[4] which states that a teacher has a legal right to a grievance hearing?

Wouldn’t these teachers want a school board to speak up for them, if their legal rights were being violated by their school superintendent in the systems they worked in?

Would that be an ethical violation if you knew a Superintendent was breaking the law, yet you stood by silently while it happened?

LoveJoy

December 6th, 2009
9:07 pm

If what Tony wrote about Heatly is true….then thats the final straw……let the state take over this toilet of a school board…if what he wrote is true. I can’t believe anyone would be so stupid as to commit such a blatant violation so quickly after losing accreditation .

@easily manipulated The post is about uniforms…you simpleton…if it were about open records we’d discuss that.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:10 pm

Gary “Remember, the Jim Crow laws were originally enacted because after slavery was illegal, the Redneck Whites SINCERELY assumed that Blacks were not yet fit for full citizenship. REMEMBER?????”

Now is the Black Elected Officials,the Black Clergy and The Democrats, who is trying to The Gun Rights away.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:16 pm

Gary; ” Remember, the Jim Crow laws were originally enacted because after slavery was illegal, the Redneck Whites SINCERELY assumed that Blacks were not yet fit for full citizenship. REMEMBER?????”

Don’t blame it on the Rednecks.

And How I Can Forget Our Legislative Branch From Clayton County

Castle Law : SB 396 – Crimes; person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; provide immunity from prosecution

I’m sure you’ll recognize a few other names Voted NO from Clayton County

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm)

The Georgia Senate Votes

Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm)

HB 89

The Current Version

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm)

The House Votes

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm)

The Senate Votes

Again : Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm)

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:17 pm

And How I Can Forget Our Legislative Branch From Clayton County

Castle Law : SB 396 – Crimes; person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; provide immunity from prosecution

I’m sure you’ll recognize a few other names Voted NO from Clayton County

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm)

The Georgia Senate Votes

Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm)

HB 89

The Current Version

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm)

The House Votes

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm)

The Senate Votes

Again : Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm)

LoveJoy

December 6th, 2009
9:19 pm

In all honesty………We need conservative/republican leadership in CC. look at EVERY count in metro Atlanta…and the city of Atlanta….every one that is run by a black democrat is CRAP!!!!!

No racism intended because I AM BLACK (not light skinned). The black leaders are very John Thompson like…wearing long pimp suits…….throwing a scripture or a rhyme at everything…..accomplishing NOTHING. You need white people to live in this count so that someone will care about there interests(a white shield or umbrella of sorts, as long as they are here in sufficient amounts….the state wont let the count go to hell)…Blacks have proven time and again that they can’t take care of their own…..

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:45 pm

Nonya

“You don’t give a darn that we are the laughing stock of Metro Atlanta and quite possibly all of GA. (Heck, the loss of accreditation made NATIONAL news.)”

Don’t blame me what’s been going in this county; I am a Republican and I also belong to The N.R.A.

Daryl

December 6th, 2009
9:50 pm

Gary Klahr,

Please do us all a favor and go take an English Composition class…I can’t concentrate on writing a decent post over laughing at your attempts to construct simple sentences…!

Daryl

December 6th, 2009
10:18 pm

Nonya,

Tragically, your assessments concerning our county are dead on…Really isn’t too much I can add to it…It is really sad that people of this county just want a status quo of trifling, low-class, and ghetto-fab behavior. (If there ain’t booming system, booty-wringing and pants sagging, then something is wrong…) What really irritates me is that I have to seemingly defend this county everyday on the job from jokesters and pointed questions such as “Teachers brawling in school?!? What the heck is wrong with ya’ll down in Clayton County???” Part of me really wants to say that the county is filled with low-class village idiots that Fulton County was only too happy too unload on us.

Bottom line is we have no accountablity, no sense of community and very few people that have a clue. Even though I am stuck in Clayton County until the property values return to a decent level, you have given me some hope that there are a few people left that do care about our county. God bless you and continue doing all you can to improve our community!

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
10:25 pm

Nonya

“Maybe you want to continue to see African Americans as” “second class Americans”.

Everyone has their own bed to sleep in and their own voting booth to cast their ballot; Don’t blame me what happen to this county. Screaming Racism is not going to work; we are too far gone for that conversation.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
10:43 pm

Gary Klahr; “Remember, the Jim Crow laws were originally enacted because after slavery was illegal, the Redneck Whites SINCERELY assumed that Blacks were not yet fit for full citizenship. REMEMBER?????”

I can only remember things of my own lifetime; such as this :

Our Legislative Branch From Clayton County

Castle Law : SB 396 – Crimes; person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; provide immunity from prosecution

I’m sure you’ll recognize a few other names Voted NO from Clayton County

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm)

The Georgia Senate Votes

Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm)

HB 89

The Current Version

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm)

The House Votes

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm)

The Senate Votes

Again : Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm)

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
10:52 pm

Kimy

December 4th, 2009
7:52 pm
Nonya,

“Seriously I would vote for you. This is what my family talk about often.”

That is how we got ourselves into this mess.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
11:07 pm

LoveJoy; I found out that it’s not about white treading on the rights of Black people; It’s the entire democratic party of Black & White race baiters in this country.

Lovejoy goes along with the crowd

December 6th, 2009
11:22 pm

Lovejoy, if the BOE wanted to emphasize which school has the prettiest school colors, would you be discussing that instead of multiple violations of the law?

Probably so. Even more proof of how so many are so easily manipulated.

Nonya

December 7th, 2009
5:15 am

KimWhit- I wish we had someone who was in the know about the underhanded shenanigans going on here and willing to expose them. I know there are other people like us here who want to see this county change for the better. We just need a way to get the word out and need to find someone who could lead us in the right direction. I got stopped one day by a guy who stated he knew a lot about the corruption in Clayton County and that he had been in talks with the “Feds” to clean it up. When I asked him what he was doing to get the word out, he had no real answer other than he would randomly speak to citizens when he was out in the neighborhood. I asked about community meetings, mass emails, flyers etc. Sadly, he just stared blankly then left. I want to help. I want to be involved but sadly I just don’t know where to go to meet others who feel the same. If anyone knows of any grass roots movements please let us know.

DoubleAction

December 7th, 2009
1:19 pm

“If anyone knows of any grass roots movements please let us know.”

Nothing seem to work on the old school board until our BOE lost it’s accreditation, then the Governor stepped in and removed them. The Governor has already warned people in this county, about making the right choices come election time.You can’t belly ache all the time
for your own mistakes.Live with it or move.

DoubleAction

December 7th, 2009
1:39 pm

LoveJoy; Once it’s Black, It never goes back. Just take a look at the Recent elections for Mayor in Atlanta.

DoubleAction

December 7th, 2009
2:08 pm

” If anyone knows of any grass roots movements please let us know.”

The only ones we have are nothing more than a bunch of “Two Faced Back Stabbing Lying Racist Paranoid Cowardly Redneck Hypocrites” who gets nothing done.

Turn around

December 7th, 2009
9:42 pm

to – easily manipulated – Well – Mr. DoWell – you finally crawl out from under that rock – was at the meeting – you are a pill- You have made money off the taxpayers back for so long – not even giving a product/service of worth. Blend back into the woodwork – go visit buddy JT.

tony

December 7th, 2009
10:39 pm

What I said about Heatley is absolutely true. Stay tuned.

Andros2197

December 8th, 2009
8:32 am

I had a long-winded, achingly earnest post all written up about being a life-long resident of the county, my love of my hometown and area, and what I see as the troubles in it now. I’m not going to post it, though, because by and large the black people in the county don’t give a damn what anybody white has to say on any subject unless that white person is a race-baiting suck-up like John Trotter.

I’ll be leaving the county in (hopefully) no more than a couple of years, taking my children to be raised somewhere better. So all you excuse-makers can have it. I hope you learn to get along with others, or if you don’t then that the black people who have a clue get together and take power, before the place goes completely down the rat-hole. It’s most of the way there now, but I’m an optimist – or maybe just a pollyanna, I dunno – and always hold out hope.

Glenn Dowell

December 8th, 2009
11:14 am

TO: SO EASILY MANIPULATED…….

CONTACT: GLENN DOWELL, Ed.D. TELEPHONE: 404.680.8244
Website: claytonnewssettingtherecordstraight.com

December 7, 2009

RE: ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO SELECTION OF LAW FIRM FOR CLAYTON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM

CLAYTON COUNTY: Over the past several months, an atmosphere of superficial calm has prevailed related to Clayton County schools being portrayed negatively in the print and broadcast media. The public appears to be satisfied that the new Board and a new Superintendent would work cooperatively in charting a new direction for schools that would ultimately result in the improved academic performance of students in the county.

As a community stakeholder, I believe in our school system and the potential of our board members to ensure that the previous history of a select oligarchy benefiting financially from the school system utilizing board members as conduits is discontinued. For the record, in the past, select businesses and individuals have been given preferential treatment related to the bid process and have assumed that the school system is their personal bank. The school system has essentially offered them welfare at taxpayers’ expense. Taking the history of the bid process into consideration, I encourage Board members and the Superintendent to set the record straight by ensuring that future bid processes are free of external pressures from businesses and individuals who are interested in personal financial gains and not our students.

Pursuant to my aforementioned concerns, the process for determining and selecting a law firm or firms for the school system should be predicated on an impartial review of what the firm or firms can do for the school system and not the reverse. To be more specific, if a Board member has received any donations or provided any services by firms competing for the school’s business, he/she should recuse themselves because of possible bias or personal interest in the selection process.

I am personally concerned that one of the firms being considered hosted a function in their home to celebrate the passage of our SPLOST. From what I have learned, a few Board members and Superintendent Heatley attended this celebration. If this firm is ultimately selected as our legal representation, Board members should be prepared to allay the public’s concerns that the selection was not an entitlement for the firm inviting school officials into their homes..

SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT BY NOT ALLOWING ANYONE TO IMPUGN THE CLAYTON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM’S BID PROCESS-THE SCHOOL SYSTEM MUST NO LONGER BE PERCEIVED AS THE “PUBLIC TROUGH” OF SO-CALLED INFLUENTIAL INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES. STOP PROVIDING THESE INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES WELFARE.

Glenn Dowell

December 8th, 2009
11:20 am

TO…EASILY MANIPULATED.

THE WELFARE RECIPIENTS IN CLAYTON COUNTY HAVE ALWAYS CONFUSED THE ISSUES, PRETENDING THAT THE CHILDREN ARE IMPORTANT WHILE PIMPING THE PUBLIC TROUGH. THE CLAYTON BOARD APPROVED LAW FIRMS AT LAST NIGHT’S MEETING-TWO FIRMS, HOWEVER, WILL GET THE LION’S SHARE OF BUSINESS. TELL ME THAT WELFARE IS NOT ALIVE IN CLAYTON COUNTY. I SENT THE FOLLLOWING EMAIL TO ALL BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE THE SELECTION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE LAW FIRMS.

CONTACT: GLENN DOWELL, Ed.D. TELEPHONE: 404.680.8244
Website: claytonnewssettingtherecordstraight.com

December 7, 2009

RE: ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO SELECTION OF LAW FIRM FOR CLAYTON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM

CLAYTON COUNTY: Over the past several months, an atmosphere of superficial calm has prevailed related to Clayton County schools being portrayed negatively in the print and broadcast media. The public appears to be satisfied that the new Board and a new Superintendent would work cooperatively in charting a new direction for schools that would ultimately result in the improved academic performance of students in the county.

As a community stakeholder, I believe in our school system and the potential of our board members to ensure that the previous history of a select oligarchy benefiting financially from the school system utilizing board members as conduits is discontinued. For the record, in the past, select businesses and individuals have been given preferential treatment related to the bid process and have assumed that the school system is their personal bank. The school system has essentially offered them welfare at taxpayers’ expense. Taking the history of the bid process into consideration, I encourage Board members and the Superintendent to set the record straight by ensuring that future bid processes are free of external pressures from businesses and individuals who are interested in personal financial gains and not our students.

Pursuant to my aforementioned concerns, the process for determining and selecting a law firm or firms for the school system should be predicated on an impartial review of what the firm or firms can do for the school system and not the reverse. To be more specific, if a Board member has received any donations or provided any services by firms competing for the school’s business, he/she should recuse themselves because of possible bias or personal interest in the selection process.

I am personally concerned that one of the firms being considered hosted a function in their home to celebrate the passage of our SPLOST. From what I have learned, a few Board members and Superintendent Heatley attended this celebration. If this firm is ultimately selected as our legal representation, Board members should be prepared to allay the public’s concerns that the selection was not an entitlement for the firm inviting school officials into their homes..

SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT BY NOT ALLOWING ANYONE TO IMPUGN THE CLAYTON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM’S BID PROCESS-THE SCHOOL SYSTEM MUST NO LONGER BE PERCEIVED AS THE “PUBLIC TROUGH” OF SO-CALLED INFLUENTIAL INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES. STOP PROVIDING THESE INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES WELFARE.

Rev Billy Bob Whiskey

December 8th, 2009
10:37 pm

Uh- oh. Did that dude get to ya?

What is amazing is how long you can hold a grudge against the people of Clayton and the School Board. Are you still miffed at that 8 percent vote of confidence the voters gave you? And you have the gall of mentioning the Public Trough. You and you family have been eating there for so many years – you can not even think straight. The taxpayers are the ones who made it possible for your ride – the Bentley.

You are touting an issue that you have made up from that warped mind – there is no there – there.

Talk about welfare at the taxpayers expense – the public need only – thru public records see how you and your enterprise have sold the Feds and states a bill of goods – time after time – to the tune of several million dollars. But somehow – thru creative bookkeeping – have rarely, if ever shown a profit. No profit – but riding in a Bentley? All at taxpayers expense. What a hypocrite!! You were even willing to doing business with Clayton schools thru your foundation – if you had made the BOE.

Hey slick – you still got that web site with lynching pictures – or was that just race-baiting for the campaign season?

GOD Bless!!

tony

December 8th, 2009
10:58 pm

So now that John S. has been moved out of HR, I guess Dr. Madden can apply AGAIN. And what happened to the sexual harassment complaint against Doug Hendrix.

DoubleAction

December 9th, 2009
6:05 am

Glenn Dowell is just another self proclaimed “Advocates” in this county, who is children as his own stepping stone for his own profit and his political gain.

Big Earl

December 9th, 2009
10:02 am

Get ready for the next power grab. The Clayton BOC voted to make the Commission Chairman sole head over the county police chief – hiring and firing. This after the same three voted to take power away from the Chairman position a few months ago to give it to Cohlias. The proposal was headed by none other than the man – Wole Ralph – who seems to have crowned himself as the next Commission Chairman. Chief Turner – watch your back. This is back door politics at its worst. We deserve better from our elected officials. I mistakenly thought Wole was better than than, but have been proven wrong thru several instances in the past two years.

The anti teacher BOE

December 9th, 2009
10:43 am

Why have the teachers on the BOE been silent about the serious allegations that teachers’ legal rights are being violated when it comes to grievance hearings?

If the school systems where they work were violating Georgia law by not giving teachers the right to grievance hearings they have a legal right to, wouldn’t they want the BOE in the system they work in to do something about it?

Do these board members think it is ok that Clayton County teachers have less legal rights than the teachers have in the systems they work in?

When these board members talk about how they appreciate the work Clayton County teachers do, isn’t that empty talk if they have so little respect for Clayton County teachers that they will sit by while their legal rights are possibly being violated?

Is that how they as teachers would want to be treated where they work?

Is the BOE dealing with this issue, and it just hasn’t been reported in the media, or are they ignoring the issue to the detriment of teachers and students?

Glenn Dowell, Ed.D.

December 9th, 2009
11:12 am

Hey….Dumb Reverend Billy Bob Whiskey ( AKA JT, D & T B) ….

With all the crap you are exposing, I should be in jail. Get over the election dummy, candidates lose elections all of the time. The fact of the matter is you hide your unimportance with pseudo names-YOU ARE NOTHING. GET IT.

BY THE WAY, THE BENTLEY WAS BOUGHT FOR ME BY IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN CONFUSE THE ISSUES BY FOCUSING ON PERSONALITIES-GET A LIFE.

Glenn Dowell, Ed.D.

December 9th, 2009
11:24 am

I FORGOT…….REVEREND BILLY BOB WHISKEY AND DOUBLE ACTION (AKA-JT, AND T&D B).

I WOULD RATHER LOSE AND ELECTION THAN TO BE USED AS A MINDLESS IDIOT, ENSURING THAT CERTAIN LAW FIRM WOULD CONTINUE TO GET WELFARE PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS.

BY THE WAY, THE RESULTS OF THE SERVICES I PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC CAN BE FOUND AT THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION-CHECK IT OUT IF YOU ARE SO INTERESTED IN SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT. I GET PAID FOR RESULTS, DUMMY.

Glenn Dowell, Ed.D.

December 9th, 2009
11:27 am

I FORGOT…….REVEREND BILLY BOB WHISKEY AND DOUBLE ACTION (AKA-JT, AND T&D B).

I WOULD RATHER LOSE AN ELECTION THAN TO BE USED AS A MINDLESS IDIOT, ENSURING THAT CERTAIN LAW FIRM WOULD CONTINUE TO GET WELFARE PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS.

BY THE WAY, THE RESULTS OF THE SERVICES I PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC CAN BE FOUND AT THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION-CHECK IT OUT IF YOU ARE SO INTERESTED IN SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT. I GET PAID FOR RESULTS, DUMMY.

i like to watch

December 9th, 2009
11:42 am

glen dowell strikes me as an idiot.

Dr. John Trotter

December 9th, 2009
12:24 pm

Dear Claytonians: If I want to say something about you, I don’t have to hide behind any fake moniker. I haven’t posted on this blog in weeks. In fact, I think I have posted only once in the last month on the GetSchooled blog. I know Dr. Dowell well. He is a friend of mine. I did not write anything on this blog about Dr. Dowell. He and I both have a respect for each other’s rather tough skin. He and I both went against each other in different publications years ago. We have known each other for over 20 years. His Youth Empowerment Project offers a substantive service for the youth of today. I have often stated that jealousy is a powerful emotion, but continued success is the best rervenge…served cold, of course. No, “Billy Bob” (whoever he or she may be), you are a very poor imitation to my good friends, Rev. Jimmy Jack Bourbon and Earl of Ft. Liqourdale. Jimmy and Earl are obviously my special “friends.” No, I don’t have to camouflage my identity. I love being free. If I think that a politician is sorry (like Deborah Benefield), then I just state it openly. No problem. I respect Glenn for also being up-front in his writings and signing his Christian name.