1,500 suspensions – was it worth it?

Recently, 1,500 Clayton County high school students expressed themselves by staging an organized protest of wearing school uniforms, and as per the AJC were disciplined for their efforts.

I wondered how those parents felt and/or handled the suspensions, because this will be key in determining how this plays out. For example, I know a (Fulton county) student who got caught with the tail of his shirt hanging out. Although he said it was an accident, parents were called, he was sent home and suspended. That was followed up with parental discipline, and he never made that mistake again.

Still, this student protest may be slowly gaining momentum. While their online petition has added only four additional signatures since my Sept. 28 blog, the Protest As One Facebook page has garnered 795 fans.

Nevertheless, it is good to see CCPS enforcing their own rules since there has been a “dress code” in place for years that was completely ignored.  Now, if some students were just as interested in education as they were in protesting school uniforms . . .

Was your child suspended? Did you have a problem with the protest? Students, was the protest worth a suspension?

Finally, CCPS hosts two meetings this week to hear public comments and input on Lovejoy’s proposed redistricting plan. Due to the opening of the Eddie J. White Academy in August 2010, students attending River’s Edge Elementary School and Lovejoy Middle School may be rezoned.

The first will be held at 6 p.m. on Dec. 1 at Lovejoy Middle School (1588 Lovejoy Road, Lovejoy). The second is on Dec. 3 at River’s Edge (205 North Bridge Road, Fayetteville) at 6 p.m.. According to news reports, the plan will be presented to the CCBOE at the Dec. 14 work session, and voted on in January.

Does your child(ren) attend any of these schools? Could redistricting be beneficial to your child’s education?

124 comments Add your comment

New BOE squarely to blame

December 3rd, 2009
3:06 pm

On a big picture level, it’s the parents. But if you are looking for who’s responsible at CCPS, but this one squarely on the new board, especially the current and former teachers.

These current and former teachers know that if teachers are not given support chaos ensues. They also knew, as current and former teachers there is no way they couldn’t have known, that when they came into office discipline was out of control in CCPS.

But instead of taking a real stand on discipline, they took a pseudo stand with uniforms. So when school started, it was business as usual; no consequences for the students’ actions. So when you are used to getting away with everything, you’ll try anything, and that’s what the students did.

The only reason the students thought they could get away with it, is that they have been getting away with practically everything else, thanks to a BOE, especially the current and former teachers on it who know better, but who still haven’t offered one bit of meaningful support to the CCPS classroom teacher.

What you deserve

December 3rd, 2009
3:11 pm

The way to fix this is simple. You elect nine board members whose first priority, above all other priorities is restoring discipline to the school system. You demand they hire a superintendent, whose first priority, above all other priorities, is restoring discipline to the school system.

But you haven’t done that, you haven’t even come remotely close to doing that. And therefore you have but one inescapable conclusion.

You are getting the school system you RICHLY and FULLY deserve.

Shannon, M.Div.

December 3rd, 2009
5:00 pm

I think folks are looking at this backwardly.

These are teenagers. Their brains haven’t matured and won’t until they are age 25. To those who are essentially telling the teenagers that this is a stupid battle and don’t pick it… well, I think you’re telling the wrong party.

Some studies have shown that uniforms assist with academics… other studies, published and peer reviewed, have shown no such correlation. Given that the research is inconclusive at this point, why is this the battle the administration has chosen to fight?

Give in, drop the uniforms, and enforce the dress code instead. Or get creative. Let students who make certain grades (or hit certain other achievement targets–attendance, perhaps, or even an individual improvement benchmark) have uniform-free privileges. You might make high grades cool among the student population if it’s the only way you get out of looking like a dork.

I graduated from Lovejoy in 1992. I never wore a uniform a day in my life, for any school or any job, and I’m proud of that. If I had been told I would have to wear a uniform. that would have made my little nonconformist heart very angry, and I would have spent a lot of time fighting that… instead of, you know, blowing the water out of the SATs, taking and passing four Advanced Placement exams, and generally killing academically.

This is a really stupid fight… for the administration to pick. They should be focused on academics, not gimmicks poorly backed up by the most current research.

Resolve

December 3rd, 2009
5:38 pm

@Concerned parent:
You are wrong. By law, schools are suppose to have school councils not PTSA.

Shannon is right

December 3rd, 2009
7:18 pm

Shannon asks, why has the administration chosen this battle? Simple, to create the illusion, to create the facade that they are dealing with discipline. Ask a Clayton County teacher, and they will tell you, the administration up to and including the BOE and Superintendent have shown no leadership at all on this issue.

If you are applauding the Heatley here, you are showing what a willing dupe you are, to think that he has done something that he clearly has not. But like it was noted earlier, if Heatley and those before him have let the students get away with everything, why are you surprised that they will try anything?

Gary klahr

December 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm

Listen to SHANNON. Her post says it all! Daryl & most of the rest of you STILL DON’T GET IT. This is NOT an issue of discipline or “dress for success.” It is a matter that you-all and your stupid school bd are trying to ban PERFECTLY-appropriate clothes allowed in 90 pct of U.S. schools for 50+ years. Since when are KIDS required to dress the same as adults working in an office???? FYI, the GPA of kids opted-out of uniforms in Sacramento was ONE WHOLE GRADE point higher than the conformists you-all admire who wore the polo/khaki uni there.
NO ONE is advocating free dress or “dress how you want” as Daryl claims. And FYI, as an unpaid school bd member for 8 years, I spent 90 pct of my time on student achievement; that is my WHOLE POINT; we did NOT worry about dress codes and unis. We had a standard dress code at our 25k-enrollment high schools and had No great problem enforcing it. We also passed an anti-bullying code that penalized kids making fun of other kids’ BODIES or CLOTHES. In other words, we punished BAD kids—;you-all want to punish the GOOD kids too by making them wear uniforms like prisoners. No thanks.

AS for my grammar, I FINISHED FIRST IN MY CLASS IN LAW SCHOOL AND HAD all A’S IN UNDERGRADUATE college. I have been a journalist since age 10. But I am typing wildly here because I am FURIOUS—both at your stupid policy and especially at the stupid posters herein who do NOT understand what this is all about.

If you have unruly kids, send them to alternative school or expel them. Do NOT think that the bandaid of a uni will do anything. The only two books on unis—by Dr. David Brunsma of the U of Mo. at Columbia–make clear that unis do NOT improve academics OR discipline.

And in America, we do NOT pass rules for rules sake. Freedom of Parents TO CHOOSE CLOTHES FOR THEIR KIDS IS BASIC. IF YOU WANT EVERYONE LOOKING ALIKE, YOU-ALL please EMIGRATE TO Cuba, NORTH KOREA OR China; THEN YOU will be happy maybe. Finally, if you want to know MY credentials, look me up in Who’s Who in the World!!!/s/ Gary Peter Klahr, J.D., Phoenix

In short, I deplore improperly-dressed and poor-achieving students AS MUCH AS ANY OF YOU. BUT I believe in reaL SOLUTIONS—NOT BANDAIDS ON CANCER LIKE THE REST OF YOU.

I SAY AGAIN—dress codes—yes—EBNFORCE & EXPEL; UNIFORMS—I WILL FIGHT YOU TO THE death—LITERALLY. BRING OUT THE GUNS LIKE AT KENT STATE—START SHOOTING KIDS FOR WEARING TEE SHIRTS IF YOU-ALL FEEL THAT IS VITAL TO THE FUTURE OF CLAYTON COUNTY.

DoubleAction

December 3rd, 2009
8:56 pm

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 2nd, 2009
10:56 pm

“Shame, DoubleAction, Gary klahr, Not again! You guys are so old and senile that you can’t remember that your kind screwed up the Americas for everyone else but yourselves even your children see this. However, you’ve been so privileged all your lives because of your skin color.”

I earned my rights to be called a American, every day of my life. It is not a gift that someone gives to you, just because you was born in this country, it is full of obligations.

i like to watch, but can't see

December 3rd, 2009
8:59 pm

I aggree with Shannon and Gary klahr the only reason CCCBOE is requiring uniform is because the rich plutocrats told them what to have the black child to wear. CCBOE no guts!

Heatley and his moral authority

December 3rd, 2009
9:00 pm

How can Heatley suspend students for breaking a rule without looking like a total hypocrite since he’s been breaking the law?

Unless something has happened in the last few days that didn’t get reported, Heatley has gone over a month not responding to a Open Records request asking for how much money CCPS paid to Glen Brock, including monies paid to Glen Brock to conduct the search that brought Heatley to Clayton.

Has Heatley finally complied with the law? If not why not? And if not, how can Heatley be considered anything other than a joke, for suspending students for breaking a rule, while at the same time he is breaking a law?

DoubleAction

December 3rd, 2009
10:25 pm

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 2nd, 2009
10:56 pm

“Shame, DoubleAction, Gary klahr, Not again! You guys are so old and senile that you can’t remember that your kind screwed up the Americas for everyone else but yourselves even your children see this”

You have nothing to blame on except yourself; Every American has the obligation to feel responsible for his or her actions. The color of one’s skin should make no difference in one’s character.

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
12:28 am

@I like to watch….You’re an idiot. Everything you’ve said has something to do with race. Someone is always trying to do something to the black kids. I think you’re a mole who comes on this board to make racially charged remarks for the sake of disruption. I’m black and completely disagree with everything you try to provoke.

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
12:34 am

@Daryl I agree with you 2000%. I am a homeowner also. I bought property in 2004….I regret it with a passion. I wish I had moved to fayette or henry. The home I bought was inexpensive considering the size and land space (I live off Noah’s Ark) The area was clean, quiet, close to stores and schools….Its still a quiet area, but the rest of the county is lacking.

The accreditation issue really hurt the most. Home values are down nation wide, but the school system fiasco was insult to injury. Lake Spivey doesn’t care because the kids there go to private school. Who can afford private schools?

We need a better mix of people in this county …the question is how…eliminating C-Tran is a good start

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
12:52 am

Those students need to focus on read, writing and speaking english instead of the right to wear overpriced clothes to an underachieving school system. I like the idea of rewarding high achieving students the privilege of wearing their own clothes…..a monthly dress down day would be a decent compromise but the students need to show some initiative and improvement before any compromise can be made

1. Eliminate C-Tran
2. Raise school standards and increase academic achievement
3. Redevelop, Redevelop, Redevelop….North Tara Blvd looks like a wasteland……Victor Hill closed down those brothels yet the building stay boarded up and plastered with grafitti….some trees and sidewalks would be nice…NO MORE PAWN SHOPS OR CHECK CASHING!!!!!!

4. Why are there not 1…but 2 trailer parks on Tara? Seriously, is that the first thing someone entering the county is suppose to see? Do you see the grafitti and crime around said areas…GET RID OF THEM.

5. Get rid of Eldrin Bell ASAP…and for the love of humanity, don’t elect his assistant, good friend, colleague or partner in his place…NO MORE MORE OF THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6. No more apartments or low income housing….we have enough apartments.

7. Crime proliferates in certain spots…..College Park/Riverdale…..Forest Park, Trailer Parks…..Swarm the PARKS!!!!!!

8. Fire any teacher who does anything remotely close to the bufoonary demonstrated in the facebook fight between Rex Middle teahers

Please add to the list and lets get a network going …similar to what the students did except the goals is improving Clayton not fighting over uniforms.

Jonesboro

December 4th, 2009
1:12 am

@Non-stop 2010…You’re an idiot also. You’d mobilize students to protest wearing a uniform…why don’t you protest being at the bottom of every academic statistical measure ?

Unless you’re self employed….you’re going to have to adhere to some type of dress code, ask the Jonesboro chief of police ( :

Last, I’d like to think that you’re an adult posing as a child for the sake disruption on this forum…. your points make no sense. Why don’t you withdraw and go to one of the trashy schools in Atlanta …you know, the reverse of what happened to CC during the Olympics…..Go to Doug High…wear what you want and continue to be an aspiring rapper and eventually get a video on worldstarhiphop.com…..better yet…..get arrested and get street cred like Gucci Mane…..or better yet get shot over an east Clayton vs west Clayton beef……You’re a moron, I’d hate for any kid to have to go to a school with misguided idiots such as yourself.

Concerned Spouse

December 4th, 2009
2:35 am

@ Resolve,

Your right. Not PTSA, but School Councils. My point is that only 4 people should up!! We are arguing about dress code and uniforms, but the parents don’t come to a meeting which could actually open up an arena for them to make significant positive change in the school environment. Sad.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
3:21 am

It’s not about a person’s skin color; It’s about the content of one’s character.

Barbara

December 4th, 2009
6:21 am

What has Heatley done? Don’t hear from him or see him at all around the schools. Just another person sitting around getting paid.

Turn around

December 4th, 2009
7:57 am

The reason for the school uniforms is some girls wearing questionable outfits and a large number of guys wearing pants waists at their knees with 2 pair of underwear showing. I have seen blacks, whites, hispanics and asians dressed this way. No self respect. It is better to have a uniform policy than to wait until per chance some parent of a 14, 12 or 8 year old female sued the system for sexual harassment for the fact their child had to witness this spectacle ever day in a school their taxes pay for. If you do not like the school uniform policy, Clayton is a small county, move 5 miles and you can be in another county and deal with their issues. Or become their issues.

there you go

December 4th, 2009
9:22 am

If you punish the “bad” kids in Clayton the “bad” parents raise a big fuss about you pickin on poor Johnny. And usually the race card is used early in any conversation on discipline and kids in our schools.
We are better than that and we need to grow beyond that.

Nonya

December 4th, 2009
11:34 am

I agree with Jonesboro. Luckily the south side of Clayton hasn’t gone the way of North Clayton yet but it will be soon if we don’t do something. I pulled my child out of our neighborhood school once it got over crowded with students from failing areas on the northside. Our kids weren’t perfect but the school really went to the dogs when it became a school of choice. Luckily I can afford something better for my child and I chose that option. I am angry though that I am forced to deal with the consequences of others bad choices. If you want better opportunities for your child, then clean up your own area. Don’t send their little bad behinds to ruin mine.

As an African American, I am so ashamed of what my generation has done. Where this sense of entitlement came from I don’t know. The following things really irk me about this generation of users:

I’m sick of paying for their EBT cards. Bring back food pantries. If they truly can’t afford food then they would willing get if from a food bank. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my child. Stop worrying about people’s pride. They should be embarrassed if they have been on welfare for 3 damn generations. Why the hell should my tax dollars pay for them to get something that looks like a credit card. Maybe shame would make them get off their butts and do something.

Stop letting people get homes on section 8. If you want a home do what is required to get one. Work hard for it. They get these homes on section 8 and have no appreciation for what they have been given. Keep your little bad behind heathens off others property and inside at a decent hour.

I don’t give a darn that they need C Tran to get to work. I moved to an area without public transportation because I didn’t want to be bothered with what it brought in. The home owners of Clayton county voted against Ctran. Those baffoons in power used a back door to get it here. I don’t think my taxes should subsidize their need for transportation. Clayton is not North Fulton nor Cobb so don’t try to give me the lame story about how public transportation hasn’t hurt them. It wouldn’t hurt us either if we had a different type of government. Cobb has it’s bad areas. I lived there for years. The difference is Cobb County keeps those areas sequestered.

Stop always being so darn quick to jump to little Jaquan’s defense when his bad butt gets in trouble at school. If they raised his behind instead of trying to hang out with their boo or go to the club, they would know that his butt is bad as hell. Oh but they already do. They just don’t care. Why should my child’s education be hindered because the teacher has to spend 20 minutes out of a 40 minute class arguing with RayRay, Jaquan, and Lil’ T ?

Stop giving the sad tale about how they have to work 2-3 part time jobs to take care of their kids. Here’s a thought. Only have the number of kids you can afford. How about that? When they had the first one, they sure has heck now knew where kids came from? They should do what it takes to not have more if they can’t afford more. I’m tired of paying for their medicaid, their afterschool programs, etc.

Also to Doubleaction–Clayton may have started as a “working class” community but it had begun to change, especially the areas closest to Fayette and Henry. Gone were the days of the Confederacy and Bubba riding on the back of the pick up and spitting tobacco juice on to Tara Blvd. Young educated, hard working, professionals were moving here. Lake Spivey, Crystal Lake, The Waterford. All high income areas. My neighborhood, while not Lake Spivey, consisted of young nurses, lawyers, educators etc. That’s part of the reason I chose it. I wanted to be around like minded people. It was nice back then. It had great racial and generational diversity.

I first moved to Clayton when the area was swamped with Confederate flags, Dixie outfitters clothing and racism. Now I have to deal with loud music, butts showing from shagging pants, and crime. I don’t know which is worse but I think I would rather have the red necks back. At least they were too cowardly to really bother anyone.

SA

December 4th, 2009
11:45 am

If the community was different, uniforms wouldn’t be needed. However, we are where we are. A uniform policy prevents local gangs from wearing their colors in our schools, decreases violence and theft of trendy clothes, shoes, etc., reduces need for administrators and teachers to be ‘clothes police, limits distractions, instills community, and advocates recognition of those that do and don’t belong on campus. Sorry Shannon and Gary but it’s not 1992 at Lovejoy anymore and there’s more to uniforms than academics and discipline within the classroom.

Peggy Sue Davis

December 4th, 2009
1:05 pm

Nonya for Mayor/Chairperson/County CEO!

Daryl

December 4th, 2009
5:36 pm

Gary;

I am glad you clarified that point concerning your writing skills….I had first thought you were a moron, but after seeing your new improved literary prowess, I realize you are a blithering idiot.

Here’s a tip for you; through all the years of education and positions of reposnsibility that you purportedly have, somebody should have told you that typing in all “CAPS” doesn’t get your point across…it just makes you look uneducated.

Sorry, but no one is going to take anyone serious that can’t write a decent paragraph…

Daryl

December 4th, 2009
5:50 pm

Nonya,

Go ahead with your bad self!!!!! Best post of the forum!

What we really need!

December 4th, 2009
6:21 pm

What we really need is to oust the entire BOC, and replace them with someone who actually tries to improve the county. The current board does nothing but attend meetings. They don’t try to get business here. They don’t try to improve the county image. They have no vision. We need young blood with vision, and I am not talking about electing unqualified people the likes of the last one who tried to unseat Eldrin. We need people who can sit down with business leaders comfortably, and who has a real goal to clean up this county. No more freeloader politicians.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
6:41 pm

Nonya

December 4th, 2009
11:34 am

“Also to Doubleaction–Clayton may have started as a “working class” community but it had begun to change, especially the areas closest to Fayette and Henry. Gone were the days of the Confederacy and Bubba riding on the back of the pick up and spitting tobacco juice on to Tara Blvd.”

For your information; I was raised in The City Of Atlanta and I drive a Corvette, and my name is not Bubba. Get off your high horse of condemning the working class families who built this county.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
6:45 pm

Nonya; You sound like you’re full of Hate.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
6:51 pm

Nonya; With all these so called high end professionals moving in, why do we still have section 8 housing and food stamp programs. You are full of it.

i like to watch, but can't see

December 4th, 2009
7:18 pm

Just like I said earlier, Clayton’s rich plutocrats have vilified the “Lil black child”. Listen to what Nonya (who is white, You Lie) says ” I am so ashamed of what my generation has done. Where this sense of entitlement came from I don’t know. The following things really irk me about this generation of users”. SA said, “A uniform policy prevents local gangs from wearing their colors in our schools, decreases violence and theft of trendy clothes, shoes, etc., reduces need for administrators and teachers to be ‘clothes police, limits distractions. The Black population in Clayton is weak minded, that why they allow their accreditation to be taken! The whites caused accreditation loss of cost the county millions of dollars in property tax increase, home value loss, decrease businesses came. CCBOE is destroying the school system because they can’t “STAND UP” for their own! ENOUGH SAID!

Shannon, M.Div.

December 4th, 2009
7:27 pm

Turn around, the problem you’re discussing could be solved by enforcing a dress code. It does not require uniforms but guidelines.

Kimy

December 4th, 2009
7:52 pm

Nonya,

Seriously I would vote for you. This is what my family talk about often.

DoubleAction

December 4th, 2009
9:41 pm

The dress codes works good in the Hospitals, The Military, The Police, The Fire Departments, The Postal Service, UPS, Our Factories, Trucking Industries, and even our food service industries; why can’t it work for our school age children, when nothing else works ?

lovejoy

December 4th, 2009
11:19 pm

@Double Action Nonya’s comments are not hateful…they are realistic, honest and practical. We can’t pretend for the sake of being politically correct…The things she mentioned are the things that actually happen. People need to acknowledge what is true instead of living in denial and avoiding real issues. She sounds more like someone who is angered than hateful.

tony

December 4th, 2009
11:44 pm

Seems the superintendent has bigger issues to worry about, like how his senior staff all got hired without the proper Ga. .certification. Stay tuned for this to hit the news. Just more of the same old thing. Didn’t he promise the DA that he would not bring in people from the outside, well he did and now it will be revealed they did not even meet the job descriptions. His number 2 person has never even been a teacher or principal now she is 2nd in command of a huge school system. Here we go again. Board is trying to cover up everything because they hired him.

DoubleAction

December 5th, 2009
12:19 am

Nonya; Your perception of this county is as warped as your narrowed mind. There is more to this county than the borders surrounding Fayette and Henry counties. I’ve have lived this county since 1961; you are still a newbie in this county. When Rome, do as the Romans do.

Nonya

December 5th, 2009
12:21 pm

Doubleaction,

My perception isn’t warped. I’m just not afrid to call it like it is. Call me narrow minded all you want. If that is what I am, then I will wear it as a badge of honor. My narrow mindedness and that of my family has led me to be successful both personally & professionally. I was raised with a moral compass and great work ethics. I care enough about my fellow man to not want them to be “slaves to the system”. I am not against social programs but I am against the abuse of those said programs. Sometimes tough love is what is needed. You are probably one of the idiots who had a problem with what Bill Cosby had to say when he made an honest appeal to the African American community. Or one of the ones that had a problem with President Obama urging African American men to be there for their children.

Part of the problem could be that you are just that–part of the problem. “When Rome ,do as the Romans do”? That speaks volumes. Those words should be spoken to those who have come in and lowered the community standards instead of maintaining them or raising them. You appear to be the apathetic type who doesn’t give a darn that this county has gone to hell in a hand basket. You don’t give a darn that we are the laughing stock of Metro Atlanta and quite possibly all of GA. (Heck, the loss of accreditation made NATIONAL news.) More so, you don’t care that the lack of responsibility is leading to a generation that will be lost. The dumbing down of America has already begun and GA is at the lowest level of the low. That’s nothing to be proud of. It’s people such as yourself that have contributed to this by sitting back and taking the laissez faire approach. If you have truly been in Clayton County since ‘61, then you should be ashamed of what this county has become. Or maybe you are one of the ones I speak of who is being a leech on our society. Maybe you are one of the ones that I see in the store buying hundreds of dollars worth of crab legs on an EBT card. Maybe you are one of the ones using an EBT card to buy two grocery carts of food with nothing of any real nutritional value in the cart. Maybe you are one of the ones offering to sell me the use of said EBT card for 50 cents on the dollar. Maybe you are raising kids that have no degree of hope for a real future. Or worse, maybe you are one of the ones who doesn’t want to see my people better themselves. Maybe you want to continue to see African Americans as “second class Americans”.

So as a “newbie” I say if Rome is going to hell in a hand basket— burn it and build something new from the ashes. If it means that lazy relics such as yourself are forced out, then so be it. We need to instill a new sense of pride in this community. We need to bring back the good work ethics that Americans were once known for. We need to teach our children the value of education. We need to truly make this be a better place for all to live. Where EVERYONE has the chance to develop to their full potential and be an assest to our society.

And in regards to my being full of hate, you are right. I hate what has become of my people. I hate that there are more black men in the penal system than in college. I hate that we have such a high rate of births to teen mothers. I hate that most African American young men are following a dress code that was based off the prison system instead of following the dress codes of outstanding African Americans such as Dr. Ben Carson and President Obama. I hate that we keep giving a type of “credence” to the racial sterotypes that abound about African Americans. I say it is time for us to define who we are as African Americans and to do that we must first uplift those who are holding us back. That’s why I chose to stay and fight instead of running to Henry or Fayette like the majority of my neighbors.

As I have already spent too much of my valuable time engaging in an obviously unmatched rhetorical sparring match with you, I will bid you adieu. I am off to spend time actually volunteering in my community and attempting to better my community one child at a time. I challenge you to do the same.

Gary Klahr

December 5th, 2009
7:51 pm

Again, I am amazed at the SIMPLISTIC thinking of the “conservative Anglos” aka Rednecks who have criticized my position. Unlike you, i am an EXPERT on both unis & dress codes. I agree that unis CAN bring a sense of TEMPORARY (key word) DISCIPLINE to a disorderly school—but it is like a coat of paint on a dilapidated building. I DO agree that kids NEED discipline and should ONLY wear APPROPRIATE clothes to school; I could EVEN agree on a compromise allowing only honor-roll kids to wear street clothes; but MUCH FAIRER is my proposal for unis combined with OPT-OUT-WITH-TEETH. Under that plan, parents could opt out ANY kid NOT on disciplinary or academic probation. BUT they would have to OBEY the regular dress code (No Britney tops for girls; no hip-hop baggy pants for boys). Violators would be DOUBLE-punished; they would lose their opt-out and have to wear a uni the rest of the year AND they would be detained after school, sent to Saturday “Breakfast Club” school and/or forced to pick up trash on campus. In my opinion, such measures would QUICKLY END all these dress code violations you-all are claiming WITHOUT HURTING THE GOOD KIDS—the only ones I care about. The BIG ERROR of ALL you pro-uni people is that you TOTALLY ignore the interests or rights of the Good kids; you seem to say they must be punished TOO to “get” at the bad kids. NOT SO—that is NOT how we operate in America. GROUP-PUNISHMENT IS NOT FAIR OR LEGAL. Remember, the Jim Crow laws were originally enacted because after slavery was illegal, the Redneck Whites SINCERELY assumed that Blacks were not yet fit for full citizenship. REMEMBER?????

At least this debate IS realistic; RACE IS behind the uni issue BOTH in big cities with many Blacks AND in the SW here with our Hispanics. It is interesting that in such settings, BOTH the Redneck Whites AND the minority group demand unis; we find very few Blacks or Hispanics against unis; it is only bright (mostly Jewish like me) Whites who care about civil liberties. But the majority have NO MORE RIGHT to impose unnecessary unis on GOOD kids than they have
to impose segregation on minority Blacks or Hispanics!!!!!!!!

So easily manipulated

December 6th, 2009
12:18 am

The BOE will be voting Monday on which law firm to use for legal representation. Glen Brock’s firm is one of the finalist. Perhaps his firm is the most qualified, perhaps it is not. Either way, there is no public record, at least in the mainstream media, of Superintendent Heatley ever having responded to last month’s Open Records request asking how much CCPS has paid Glen Brock.

So please, by all means, keep on blabbering about the uniforms. You are playing the role that you have shown yourselves to be so adept at. Ignorant and uninformed.

KimWhit

December 6th, 2009
7:48 am

Nonya, I was about to post a comment here but your comments beautifully says it all. I completely agree with you! My husband and I are sending our daughter to a high quality private school in College. We like to school but hate the fact that we have no alternative. This county has so much potential! I have a question? There has simply go to be a way for all like minded individuals in this county to unite! Maybe we can galvanize and start a citizens board and make some grass root changes? We have got to come together in a visible manner and make our concerns 100% known. There are too many decent, law abiding individuals posting on this board who have so much at stake. Let’s get some ideas going!!!

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
8:26 pm

Gary Klahr; You can blame it all on Hip Hop and the Gangster Rappers for this current trend in our teenage society. Things was a lot different we were listening to The Four Tops and Wilson Pickett.Everything went downhill when Roy Rogers and Ward Cleaver passed away; they was our only hope.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
8:32 pm

Nonya; “If it means that lazy relics such as yourself are forced out, then so be it.”

It’s people like yourself that makes this county unlivable for anyone else.

Shouldn't school boards obey the law?

December 6th, 2009
8:45 pm

Why are the current and former teachers on the BOE silent about allegations that Superintendent Heatley is refusing to follow O.C.G.A. 20-2-989.8[4] which states that a teacher has a legal right to a grievance hearing?

Wouldn’t these teachers want a school board to speak up for them, if their legal rights were being violated by their school superintendent in the systems they worked in?

Would that be an ethical violation if you knew a Superintendent was breaking the law, yet you stood by silently while it happened?

LoveJoy

December 6th, 2009
9:07 pm

If what Tony wrote about Heatly is true….then thats the final straw……let the state take over this toilet of a school board…if what he wrote is true. I can’t believe anyone would be so stupid as to commit such a blatant violation so quickly after losing accreditation .

@easily manipulated The post is about uniforms…you simpleton…if it were about open records we’d discuss that.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:10 pm

Gary “Remember, the Jim Crow laws were originally enacted because after slavery was illegal, the Redneck Whites SINCERELY assumed that Blacks were not yet fit for full citizenship. REMEMBER?????”

Now is the Black Elected Officials,the Black Clergy and The Democrats, who is trying to The Gun Rights away.

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:16 pm

Gary; ” Remember, the Jim Crow laws were originally enacted because after slavery was illegal, the Redneck Whites SINCERELY assumed that Blacks were not yet fit for full citizenship. REMEMBER?????”

Don’t blame it on the Rednecks.

And How I Can Forget Our Legislative Branch From Clayton County

Castle Law : SB 396 – Crimes; person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; provide immunity from prosecution

I’m sure you’ll recognize a few other names Voted NO from Clayton County

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm)

The Georgia Senate Votes

Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm)

HB 89

The Current Version

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm)

The House Votes

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm)

The Senate Votes

Again : Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm)

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:17 pm

And How I Can Forget Our Legislative Branch From Clayton County

Castle Law : SB 396 – Crimes; person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; provide immunity from prosecution

I’m sure you’ll recognize a few other names Voted NO from Clayton County

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/hv0989.htm)

The Georgia Senate Votes

Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/votes/sv0731.htm)

HB 89

The Current Version

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/fulltext/hb89.htm)

The House Votes

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/hv0050.htm)

The Senate Votes

Again : Let’s don’t forget Senator Valencia Seay (D-SS 34), who Voted “NO” for the same bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/votes/sv1035.htm)

LoveJoy

December 6th, 2009
9:19 pm

In all honesty………We need conservative/republican leadership in CC. look at EVERY count in metro Atlanta…and the city of Atlanta….every one that is run by a black democrat is CRAP!!!!!

No racism intended because I AM BLACK (not light skinned). The black leaders are very John Thompson like…wearing long pimp suits…….throwing a scripture or a rhyme at everything…..accomplishing NOTHING. You need white people to live in this count so that someone will care about there interests(a white shield or umbrella of sorts, as long as they are here in sufficient amounts….the state wont let the count go to hell)…Blacks have proven time and again that they can’t take care of their own…..

DoubleAction

December 6th, 2009
9:45 pm

Nonya

“You don’t give a darn that we are the laughing stock of Metro Atlanta and quite possibly all of GA. (Heck, the loss of accreditation made NATIONAL news.)”

Don’t blame me what’s been going in this county; I am a Republican and I also belong to The N.R.A.

Daryl

December 6th, 2009
9:50 pm

Gary Klahr,

Please do us all a favor and go take an English Composition class…I can’t concentrate on writing a decent post over laughing at your attempts to construct simple sentences…!

Daryl

December 6th, 2009
10:18 pm

Nonya,

Tragically, your assessments concerning our county are dead on…Really isn’t too much I can add to it…It is really sad that people of this county just want a status quo of trifling, low-class, and ghetto-fab behavior. (If there ain’t booming system, booty-wringing and pants sagging, then something is wrong…) What really irritates me is that I have to seemingly defend this county everyday on the job from jokesters and pointed questions such as “Teachers brawling in school?!? What the heck is wrong with ya’ll down in Clayton County???” Part of me really wants to say that the county is filled with low-class village idiots that Fulton County was only too happy too unload on us.

Bottom line is we have no accountablity, no sense of community and very few people that have a clue. Even though I am stuck in Clayton County until the property values return to a decent level, you have given me some hope that there are a few people left that do care about our county. God bless you and continue doing all you can to improve our community!