1,500 suspensions – was it worth it?

Recently, 1,500 Clayton County high school students expressed themselves by staging an organized protest of wearing school uniforms, and as per the AJC were disciplined for their efforts.

I wondered how those parents felt and/or handled the suspensions, because this will be key in determining how this plays out. For example, I know a (Fulton county) student who got caught with the tail of his shirt hanging out. Although he said it was an accident, parents were called, he was sent home and suspended. That was followed up with parental discipline, and he never made that mistake again.

Still, this student protest may be slowly gaining momentum. While their online petition has added only four additional signatures since my Sept. 28 blog, the Protest As One Facebook page has garnered 795 fans.

Nevertheless, it is good to see CCPS enforcing their own rules since there has been a “dress code” in place for years that was completely ignored.  Now, if some students were just as interested in education as they were in protesting school uniforms . . .

Was your child suspended? Did you have a problem with the protest? Students, was the protest worth a suspension?

Finally, CCPS hosts two meetings this week to hear public comments and input on Lovejoy’s proposed redistricting plan. Due to the opening of the Eddie J. White Academy in August 2010, students attending River’s Edge Elementary School and Lovejoy Middle School may be rezoned.

The first will be held at 6 p.m. on Dec. 1 at Lovejoy Middle School (1588 Lovejoy Road, Lovejoy). The second is on Dec. 3 at River’s Edge (205 North Bridge Road, Fayetteville) at 6 p.m.. According to news reports, the plan will be presented to the CCBOE at the Dec. 14 work session, and voted on in January.

Does your child(ren) attend any of these schools? Could redistricting be beneficial to your child’s education?

124 comments Add your comment

Clayton Parent

November 30th, 2009
10:57 am

My son wasn’t suspended since he knows if I have to leave work early because of his actions he’ll be so sorry. Of course being a kid he wants to buck the system but knows if his father and I have to get involved (and we’re divorced!) then he’ll wish all he got was suspended. This will continue on because parents in this county don’t care. Look at the comment by the guy in the article talking about he wasn’t down with the vote, come on now why don’t they ever interview someone with some sense? If I could sell this house I’d move so fast but have to play the hand I’m dealt for now.

sjkfd

November 30th, 2009
11:20 am

The whole Clayton County School System needs to be flushed down the commode. This is what happens in a school system that got its accreditation revoked.

raja

November 30th, 2009
12:20 pm

I received a recorded call from Lovejoy high school assistant principal Thurday before the holiday break stating Friday would be jean day and students will be let out early. So when I heard about other students being supended for wearing jeans at all high schools I was very shock because Friday was jean day at LHS per the AP Mr Mcdowell. Everyone wore jeans including my daughter and they were not supended

Voter

November 30th, 2009
1:27 pm

Jonesboro HS tried this a couple of years ago. The principal announced a dress code. Parents (most) said OK. First day of school students were allowed in with no punishment. Why no punishment? No good answer given. If the Jonesboro HS would have enforced their dress code then maybe there would not have been such a problem when the whole school district implemented one. All it takes is one to make it or break it. Both the school administration and students need to realize that they need to follow the/their rules or suffer the consquences.

SA

November 30th, 2009
2:01 pm

I was glad to see CCPS do this. Now they must be consistent. I thought the same thing when I read that, Clayton Parent.

Unfortunately, while I like what they’re trying to do, it’s just another band-aid approach instead of addressing the real problem. No matter what we do, the problems within our County cannot be fixed with the current demographic we have living here. We, as a County, are too top-heavy with apathetic, uneducated, and unmotivated citizens who do not believe in accountability for oneself. We must find ways to equalize who we have by attracting more home buyers who are educated, have stable families and income, and bring with them a different mindset if we are to see any significant change. We’re a good decade or two away if we start now.

SynamonSays!

November 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

I would like to commend the students for their technological savviness in organizing1500 students.

At the same time I condemn the focus of the protest. There are issues that directly affect the educational process that should be addressed. The quality and rigor of instructions are major factors for success. The bar needs to be raised for everyone including students, faculty, staff administrators, board members, parents and community.

Hopefully, the educators who are elected and appointed will seize this as a teachable moment. These same organizational skills can be used to engage the parents and the larger community. The same time and commitment that has been given to uniform dress can be transitioned to raise the quality of education and communication for all.

Prayerfully, there will be out of the box thinking in handling this situation and the response will be more than “discipline”.

oldtimer

November 30th, 2009
2:14 pm

Good move on the county’s part to enforce their own rule! They should have done this many years ago. My own children knew that if they broke a rule and got in trouble there would be consequences at home. Parents, you need to stop worrying about how your child dresses and more about what they learn and how they behave. I am so glad to see the jail clothes gone. And, just because Friday is a jean day, probably a reward, doesn’t mean they can show rear-ends again. Jeas should also fit dress code standards.

Gary Klahr

November 30th, 2009
3:13 pm

I am SHOCKED—but NOT surprised—at the Know-nothing comments above supporting the ABSURD UNIFORM POLICY of the schools. This is NOT a “dress code” issue. All schools HAVE—and NEED to enforce –REGULAR DRESS CODES; indeed all this was CAUSED by FAILING to enforce the PROPER dress code FORMERLY in place. But although I haven’t worn jeans & tees since 7th grade, they are PERFFECTLY APPROPRIATE clothes for school wear—and are ESPECIALLY traditional in the cotton South & West like Georgia. Kids SHOULD rebel against a code that prohibits such clothes and should FLATLY refuse to obey it and refuse to be suspended!!!
In America (see Dr. King & Cesar Chavez=–and THOMAS JEFFERSON), we do NOT follow RULES FOR RULES sake. Reasonable dress codes are enforceable and should be enforced. Bans on APPROPRIATE clothes like PROPERLY-fitted jeans and tee shirts should be resisted to the DEATH. Most of the posters here sound like they want to SHOOT kids wearing such clothes apparentlly; go ahead—you REALLY want another Kent State tragedy???????????????? I served on a HS Board for 8 years; the kids are RIGHT this time and the school board is DEAD WRONG; STOP punishing GOOD kids wearing CLEARLY-appropriate diverse—but NON-uniform –clothes to PUBLIC schools. THese kids are NOT staging a “fashion show” by wanting to wear simple clothes like tees & jeans they have worn since K. E-mail me at GaryK57647@aol.com

GET REAL!

November 30th, 2009
3:18 pm

Why does it have to boil down to the school system. The CHILDREN will do only what the parents allow. PARENTS PLEASE! PARENTS PLEASE! Get real! Your child needs to learn which battle to fight and if you parents have such a problem with the uniform policy, then show up at the meetings and vote. Oops! I forgot, you are too busy for the important stuff. But, you will get involved when it comes to cell phones being taken away and the county wide uniform policy. GET REAL!!

EDUCATOR

November 30th, 2009
3:29 pm

Sorry parents for the inconvience to you. But, teachers deal with your children everyday that are loud, nasty mouth, rude, and very disrespectful. Yes, these kids deserve to wear what they like on their own time. When your child ends up on the internet with her/or his body parts showing from a photo or video, you always call the school wanting to why you where not informed about this and what does the school plan to do. You must be quazy! These are your children that the schools try to make into responsible citizens. Was this a responsible act? No! Parents take control of your children do not expect the schools to do your JOB!!

Sue

November 30th, 2009
3:37 pm

LHS Asst Principal should be suspended for over-riding the uniform dress code. Understand that this is a county wide dress code; not school by school.

Rhonda

November 30th, 2009
4:04 pm

I agree with Gary. All five of my children attended Jonesboro H.S. years ago. These kids should be allowed to wear jeans everyday. The school should enforce a dress code. Once a child reaches his/her teenage years, they are no longer little children. They have become pretty much who they will be as adults. They are old enough to make their own choices and to live with the results. They are old enough to decide if they want to smoke or not. They will take all of the teaching about life that you have given them and make their own choices. Let them decide what they want to wear in High School. Leave the uniforms for the younger children. And enforce a dress code!!!

SA

November 30th, 2009
4:13 pm

Gary Klahr,

Pretty strong opinion from someone who’s never stepped into a classroom in our school system, been to Clayton County, or attended one of our school board meetings. Disbarred from practicing law in AZ and looking to start something here? Or do you always troll and act like you know places you’ve never been?

TheWraithe

November 30th, 2009
6:02 pm

SA is correct. Until the demographics change, the county will not improve. Better quality adults = better quality children, school system, neighborhoods, elected officials, property values, less negative news coverage, fewer gangs, less crime…etc.

Daryl

November 30th, 2009
7:35 pm

To Rhonda;

Listen to yourself! Do you actually realize the tragic state that not only CCPS is in but Clayton County as a whole. Sounds like you are trying to be your children’s friends and not their parents! I truly hope that you don’t think it’s cool for young men to walk around showing their underwear and trying to be thugs…As a resident here you should support whatever measures possible to reign in the apathy, trifling behavior and ghetto-fabulousness that permeates our county. Don’t you wonder why we can’t get any businesses or industry in Clayton? Don’t you wonder why we have the lowest standard of living of all Atlanta area counties? How about the fact we we have the highest crime rate per capita of any county in Georgia? Doesn’t it make you sad that 1/3 of Clayton’s young men 18-30 are under the supervision (incarceration, probation, etc.) of the judicial system?

Honestly, I am ashamed that I live here….my realtor did everything but slap me upside my head to not buy a house, but with the plummeting property values, me and my family are stuck. Bottom line, we are here and I can’t afford to leave, so we are going to do everything possible to make our community better. School uniforms are a just a small step forward, but it is better than sitting back and letting our county slide totally down the toilet…

Please!

November 30th, 2009
8:07 pm

(((Bans on APPROPRIATE clothes like PROPERLY-fitted jeans and tee shirts should be resisted to the DEATH. ))))

This is a kid writing the above, who obviously has not taken his english classes, or was asleep in them. Take charge parents! Show your kids who is the boss!

DoubleAction

November 30th, 2009
8:41 pm

One word best describes the problem “Discipline”,nothing more and nothing less.

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 1st, 2009
12:18 am

While noones watching “ALERT” “Protest Aa One” there are nearly 10,000 high schooler in Clayton. To make these old folk believers we must get at least 95% of your participation on the next “D day”. They can’t expell over 9,000 kids. We will “Force Change”. Remember, with no high schoolers Clayton will need no high school teacher, staff, and so on and so on! WE WILL WIN!

Carlos

December 1st, 2009
8:00 am

Daryl you obviously did not get SA’s point. Hope you can get out of Clayton and soon!

The real problem is people who continue to cite the demographics change as an excuse for their own shortcomings and prejudices. Oh by the way the last time I checked uniforms have no affect on the academic success of a student. It makes those who have the inability to truly challenge our students academically place the blame on how they dress. Put the same amount of emphasis on academic rigor and then you will see significant progress in our schools. Dress codes need to be enforced but uniforms are not the answer to creating a better school or smarter students.

Tell The Truth

December 1st, 2009
9:15 am

This is what you get when students and parents are part of the same age group. These are the priorities of the ‘Babies Having Babies’ parents. Who cares how low our test scores are, we just want our freedom to wear tight jeans or saggy ones. I say, if these parents are not going to be responsible, keep suspending their kids until they finally get their priorities in order. If that means that 30% of our students are expelled, then so be it. There is no excuse for this foolishness when you are in a school system that is underachieving academically. How about this for a compromise, tell the kids and parents if they can become one of the top 5 school systems in the state, they can wear whatever they feel like wearing. Let’s see how motivated they really are.

i like to watch

December 1st, 2009
9:33 am

does better demographics mean white people?

SA

December 1st, 2009
9:44 am

Hey “non-stop now 2010″,

One thing you didn’t think of and most likely because you’re still learning. All students don’t need to be suspended on one day. It could happen to 9K students over a number of months by staggering their suspensions. Here’s some advice for you: The only way you will win long term in this particular battle is to forget about the clothes. Instead, focus your efforts on graduating with good grades, stay out of trouble, listen to and respect others, get a college or trade school education, and then come back and contribute/share your talents with your community so that you can help make a difference by making it a better place to live for future generations. That my young friend, is how you will win.

SA

December 1st, 2009
9:58 am

I like to Watch,

No. It doesn’t. I was pretty clear with the demographic attributes I feel need to change. Color wasn’t one of them.

Dixiedarling

December 1st, 2009
1:37 pm

I don’t think that Dr. King, Thomas Jefferson or Cesar Chavez would have wasted their time protesting a dress code when there is so many more important things that these kids could be protesting.
With all the problems this school system has, I think that they worry way too much about their pants.

Daryl

December 1st, 2009
1:45 pm

Carlos;

The fact is that CCPS like most of Clayton county has serious problems. All of Georgia Schools have the same academic standards and the same goals they should achieve. Then why do our schools fail so miserably? It’s not like we get less school dollars per capita and our teachers get paid better than most of the surrounding counties. It may be because Clayton is filled with apathethic residents and this translates to apathy in our students as well. I go to every school open house and you might get 5-10% of the parents to show if you are lucky. At my child’s school In Virginia, If you got there late, you couldn’t get a seat during PTA. They also had one of the best schools in the state. Parents cared and it showed in the students.

The facts show without a shadow of a doubt that schools with uniform dress codes do better academically and provide a safer environments for our children. I for one don’t rely solely on heresay, I do my own research, which is what I challenge you to do. I dare say that most sensible residents are glad to see students at least looking halfway decent, instead of having young men with their pants sagging and wearing oversized clown clothes. It reflects well on our community when the children look presentable. Most normal folks don’t want to see their neighborhood look like the set from “Rap City”, either . It ain’t about demographics…It ain’t about race…It’s about making a better Clayton County for everyone. One where people care about their communities and themselves and try to do the right thing. In 2009, being low class is so passe….

i like to watch

December 1st, 2009
1:47 pm

SA

December 1st, 2009
2:30 pm

Yes, really. There are countless other demographic variables other than color or race that determine a demographic profile.

DoubleAction

December 1st, 2009
6:47 pm

The Professors of logic has spoken to much larger audiences, that we here and much wiser.

DoubleAction

December 1st, 2009
6:47 pm

The Professors of logic has spoken to much larger audiences, that we here and much wiser.

DoubleAction

December 1st, 2009
9:12 pm

Thank Goodness we have the desk top cowboys to solve our problems in this county. Just don’t forget to pass the popcorn.

Rachelle

December 1st, 2009
9:23 pm

Until the CCBOE begins to hold parents responsible for their children’s actions, the county will continue to be in the abyss of hell that it is in. Some parents could care less about the dress code or anything else remotely associated with school. However, they will run to the schools like bats out of hell if their children tell them that my teacher said so and so to me. Let’s face it. Clayton County is not the same county that it was even ten years ago. We were able to leave our childrens’ riding toys on the lawn overnight, and they would be there the next morning. Now, we have to make sure that we are safe within the confines of our homes. The demographics have changed and so has the quality of life. Pawn shops line Tara Blvd along with no-tote car lots. Young men walk the streets with underwear showing and younger women push strollers up and down Mt. Zion all day long. Section 8 has destroyed this county. We need to send these people back to Atlanta with their lack of values and lack of commitment to education. It is so sad.

Nonya

December 1st, 2009
9:37 pm

We all need to stop tap dancing around the issue and call the issues as they really are. When lower socioeconomic residents from Atlanta were forced down our throats in Clayton County, that is when the county started to change. In order to see Clayton rise from the ashes, we have got to have more young, educated, stable families move here. That may mean going the way of other counties and pricing some people out. It is what it is. If I had wanted to live in the ghetto, I would have bought a house there. Hopefully C-Tran will bite the dust soon and that will be the first step.

pj

December 1st, 2009
9:47 pm

Priorities people….it’s called SELF-SLAVERY….scary

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 1st, 2009
9:53 pm

Daryl said, ” Most normal folks don’t want to see their neighborhood look like the set from “Rap City”, either.” Guess what Daryl you and your generation are near death, let us young folk “Live” you had your day! Another thing, as long as Atlanta is the “Black Mecca” and “Hip Hop Capital of the World”, the demographic profile of the metro area “WON’T CHANGE” will only get darker. Remember you brought us over to this country to built up the east coast. Young and aggressive hah! Get over your silly selves; like the old song says, “Times they are achanging” you know the song! Protest As One, get ready we need at least 9,000 + to commit! Get

andy

December 1st, 2009
10:06 pm

Dixie Darling for the prosecution, closing argument made and the jury is in! Dear students focus on getting an education and all the major problems going on around you. I have no memory of what I wore in high school and you won’t either nor will you care 10 years from now.

Barbara

December 2nd, 2009
6:22 am

My son has a pair of black pants that he has worn about 20 times at school and no one said anything until Friday and he has always worn the pants. He was given a letter but all I had to do was come to the school on Monday he was never suspended, but while I was there some kids looked awful. I came to the office and his name was crossed off the list that they had. I told the Principal he has always worn the pants. He asked me that some of the teachers let students get away with it in homeroom but everything is okay with my son, and he is a senior. My suggested is that I love my teachers but some don’t wear want they are suppose to wear too, and the kids see this. Make sure they looked good I saw girls with those leggings on and I thought that they were not to wear them to school.

Not again

December 2nd, 2009
9:56 am

Non-Stop Now 2010,

Take a look around in Clayton. How’s the “hip hop” and “black mecca” attitudes working for ya?

Shame

December 2nd, 2009
2:21 pm

Non-Stop Now 2010,
Please proofread your writing before posting. You are only proving that your generation needs to focus on getting an education, and getting away from whatever it is that you are focusing on now.

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
5:04 pm

Clayton County has always been a working class environment, not a upper class educated population of urban professionals. This county has always been inhabited by those from the farms and the cities, in order to work closer to work closer to their jobs. The people came to Clayton County in order to work and place their families in homes which they could afford.

This county had a stockpile of emergency funds, until the free loaders came in to strip tree. Now we are told to bend over to make room for a new social order; I don’t think so.

Daryl

December 2nd, 2009
6:53 pm

Non-Stop;

First of all, your literary skills are atrocious…I suggest you have someone educated proof your stuff. Second, if being 39 and of mixed black/white heritage means I am with an old wash-up generation, so be it…I will tell you this, I am old enough to know that things do go in cycles…What goes down, must come up. Clayton County is scraping bottom now but it will rise again…just not fast enough for me. In the mean-time, I would like to know if you really consider a 13% unemployment rate acceptable? What about the 14% rate of our residents that live below the poverty line? How about 15-19 year teen pregnancy rate that is one of the highest in the country? I could go on ad nauseum with stats that show that our county is consistently at or near the bottom of all the metro counties, but it obvoisly can’t resonate within you.

What is really sad is, that many residents simply don’t care…The prevailing attitude seems to be “As long as I got 24’s on my square-body, my EBT card is tight, my sag is on and David Banner keeps dropping mad beats, it’s all good..!” That is the reason why this county is so jacked up. The Clayton that I visited before the Millenium was a great place to raise your kids and live…Hopefully, as Nonya mentioned, C-TRAN’s demise will definitely help. Now, I am starting to see why Fayette and Cobb counties have such high property taxes…

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
8:39 pm

It don’t take a genius to figure what happened in Clayton County; What I don’t like, we are forbidden to discuss it.

Gary klahr

December 2nd, 2009
8:46 pm

So now my enemies—unable to answer my arguments—are playing the “disbarment card”—from the bottom of the deck, to quote atty Robert Shapiro in the O.J. case. You fools do NOT understand what this issue is all about—apparently neither the kids NOR the adults. It has NOTHING to do with hip-hop, blacks, or wearing baggy clothes showing underwear. NOTHING. Such clothing is barred by EVERY dress code in the nation–including the school board I ewas TWICE elected to—once on a write-in!!!
This issue is SOLELY about the right of RESPONSIBLE PARENTS—not kids—to choose APPROPRIATE clothes to wear to PUBLIC schools. Won’tANYONE explain what is wrong with TEE shirts (unlike the required polos, they show NO cleavage or skin) or PROPERLY-fitted denim jeans (uni khakis can be worn JUST as oversized as
the banned denim jeans).

WE ( I represent the views of millions of parents in 30+states)JUST
want to send our kids in traditional., conservative clothes worn for 50-100 years like tees &^ jeans. Does ANYONE here UNDERSTAND English????????????????????????

Daryl

December 2nd, 2009
10:18 pm

Gary;

I really find it hard to believe that anybody could be elected to a school board that writes as “profoundly” as you do…You’d give my third grader a serious run for his money…The bottom line is that if our children were prospering and filling the college ranks instead of the court system and our school system was meeting respectable goals, there would be no need for a uniform policy.

Even if it is a little inconvenient (it really isn’t…) I support the Superintendent 200% on this one…He only wants to prepare our children for success (Unlike many parents who simply view their kids as their “running partners” instead of someone that they can mentor, develop, and nurture…). However, everybody has a right to their own opinion. The great thing about our Nation is that if you don’t like something, you can work towards improving the situation.

As for your exposition, since you love to you use “CAPS” and exhibit a total disregard to all known rules of punctuation to try to make your point, please enlighten this forum on how you would improve the underachieving CCPS and Clayton County as a whole…Letting them wear what they want has already been proven not to help…

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
10:32 pm

It seems like everything that comes in contact with Atlanta & Fulton County, becomes tainted with corruption, wasteful overspending, and the freeloading philosophy on living off the goodwill of others.

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
10:51 pm

When in Rome, do as the Romans do; Clayton County is the exception to that rule.

Non-Stop Now 2010

December 2nd, 2009
10:56 pm

Shame, DoubleAction, Gary klahr, Not again! You guys are so old and senile that you can’t remember that your kind screwed up the Americas for everyone else but yourselves even your children see this. However, you’ve been so privileged all your lives because of your skin color. Like I said “Things They Are A Changing” Enough with you old folk! Wave 1 “Protest As One” counted 1500. Wave 2 need to be triple that number. However, my young folk I’ll say again the next Wave need to be “MASSIVE” upward of 9,000+, now that’s an “ATTENTION” Getter! We can “WIN”. These fool teachers, principals, administators, even the superintendent have to work, have a job. “MASSIVE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE” is our only chose for “DRESS FREEDOM”

DoubleAction

December 2nd, 2009
11:53 pm

Gary klahr

December 2nd, 2009
8:46 pm

“This issue is SOLELY about the right of RESPONSIBLE PARENTS—not kids—to choose APPROPRIATE clothes to wear to PUBLIC schools.”

It has do with the Conformance to the Requirements, of following the rules. We have rules to follow,it is just a part of living in a civilized society.
DoubleAction

November 30th, 2009
8:41 pm
One word best describes the problem “Discipline”,nothing more and nothing less.

Concerned Spouse

December 3rd, 2009
2:32 am

My spouse is an administrator at one of the Clayton County High Schools. The school is trying to start a P.T.S.A in the school, which by law they are suppose to have. The only problem is that to start one they have to have at least 5 people to show up. Only 4 people showed for the meeting after my spouse sent out those automatic calls to each parent in the school, place the meeting times in the local school paper, and sent notes to the parents via there children. Clayton County parents are to blame for the mess the county is in.

Concerned Spouse

December 3rd, 2009
2:34 am

Only 200 where suspended.

Fedup

December 3rd, 2009
9:38 am

Was it worth it? We are failing our kids right now because everybody wants them to get by! Go work at McDonald’s and don’t wear your uniform, or go work at AT & T and don’t come dressed professionally! Its not about what they WANT its about the POLICY. The parents had time to vote but did not show up at the meetings, so no vote no voice. As a teacher when our students get into the REAL WORLD they are going to be VERY SURPRISED. School systems say don’t give 0’s well if Johnny didn’t do his work what do you think Johnny should get. Well give Johnny 2 or 3 chances, so when Johnny still doesn’t do it what should I give Johnny? A 50? Really!!!! Well when Johnny goes to work out of uniform he will be written up and sent home to change. And when he comes back and doesn’t do his job Johnny will be terminated, and replaced within the hour. But we told Johnny the world was full of patience and compassion for slackers, right?