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Financial miscalculations in the Clayton County budget could force C-Tran out of business come March 2010. According to MARTA CEO Beverly Scott, the budget presented was $1.3 million short at the onset despite a 50-cent fare increase.

C-Tran has been operating in the red for awhile now. As per the AJC, the county spends about $10 million per year to operate C-Tran, but only collects $2.5 million in revenue.

With only five routes running, fare hikes and temporary surcharges are imminent, service will most likely be reduced across the board and there is talk of discontinuing the airport loop (Route 500) bus completely. Many residents depend on C-Tran as their sole means of transportation, as well as elderly riders who utilize para transit services. Sixty-one percent of Clayton’s residents ride the bus to work, and 10 percent take it to school.

But to hear some tell the story, C-Tran (along with the 1996 Olympics) helped send the county on a downward spiral that Clayton is still in the midst of. That theory aside, is it fiscally responsible to continue operating a system that loses money in any economy?

At a recent meeting, riders stated buses are currently filled to capacity and standing room only. The buses I see daily on Tara Boulevard are practically empty. I’ve never seen one even half full during my time here. So I have to ask which route(s) riders are referring to? Nevertheless, I do hope that at the very least, services for the elderly and disabled remain intact.

The C-Tran hearing will be held on Oct. 7 from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. at the Clayton County Administrative Building (112 Smith Street, Jonesboro). Will you attend?

Do you ride C-Tran? If so, what bus route do you take? Clayton residents: how would you ask your commissioner to represent you on this issue?

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A REAL HOMEOWNER

October 5th, 2009
10:23 am

GET RID OF THIS MESS, I MOVED TO CLAYTON COUNTY IN 2000 AND LIFE WAS GOOD, SINCE C-TRAN HAS BEEN OPERATING IT HAS HELPED BRING IN A NEW ELEMENT OF CRIME. I PAY MY TAXES FOR A BETTER QUILITY OF LIFE FOR MY KIDS. C-TRAN HAS TO GO. I LIVED IN ATLANTA AND SAW HOW PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION COULD DESTROY A NEIBORHOOD. GET RID OF C-TRAN AND WATCH CLAYTON COUNTY REBOUND, ALL THE HOME RENTERS WOULD HAVE TO MOVE BACK TO ATLANTA,COBB AND GWINNETTE COUNTIES AND I CAN SLEEP IN PEACE.

A REAL HOMEOWNER

October 5th, 2009
10:28 am

C-TRAN MUST GO SO CLAYTON COUNTY CAME RECOVER FROM ALL THIS CRIME THAT HAS COME HERE BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROJECTS CLOSED IN ATLANTA, THEY HAD TO MOVE WHERE THEY COULD RIDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

Mom of stroke survivor

October 5th, 2009
11:18 am

I have NEVER seen a full bus. Maybe these full buses are in Riverdale or areas closer to Atlanta? Could routes be closed where the ridership is low (like in Jonesboro) and keep only the ones where the buses are crowded since those are obviously the ones being used?

Peggy Sue Davis

October 5th, 2009
1:55 pm

The County cannot afford to lose $7.5+ million dollars/yr (and more every year) on something the majority of residents (homeowners and long-term ) never wanted.

Get rid of C-Tran and clean up the county. With C-Tran gone, most of those who ride it will return to their residences in Atlanta, DeKalb and/or Fulton County. Crime is sure to go down once they all leave….

David Kaylor

October 5th, 2009
2:03 pm

In the opinion of a 20 year Clayton county homeowner, C Tran has improved the quality of life in Morrow. I ride the buses, which utilize clean air technology, and stop at WalMart, making shopping there convenient.
There is a nice enclosed bus stop 50 feet from the front door of WalMat with benches. McDonald’s is just inside the nearby door of WalMart. Just behind WalMart is a wonderful new walking path which is part of Jester’s Creek project. I ride to the Clayton County library on Battle Creek Road, which is next to the Jester’s Creek Path (a nice walking path which is practically a nature preserve).
The bus goes to the airport, where it is just a short walk to the Marta Rail station, which makes it easy to go anywhere in Atlanta. I like Lenox Square. The airport loop bus will take you to a nice hotel or restaurant, air cargo or to many businesses like Gate Gourmet where you can find employment.
That bus has taken me to the hospital on Riverdale Road, to my doctor’s office on Forest Parkway, to the Tara Schwinn bike shop, and to the Clayton Justice Center (where you can get Georgia Xpress buses that will take you to McDonough if you like.
The bus system goes to many convenient and necessary places. I have seen a smaller C Tran bus make special trips to pick up a terminally ill friend and take him to the hospital on many occasions. He would have been a dead man if not for that service.
To those who state that CTran brings crime to Clayton county, I say that you are obviously very stupid. I hope that you are not a white man like I am, because I don’t want other people to think that is the way white people think. You probably never used CTran and ride in a gas guzzling clunker that your parents gave you. You probably live with your mother, watch tv and play viedo games all day long, and never worked for a living.

whatever

October 5th, 2009
3:08 pm

C-TRAN is not what is bringing Clayton County down. That started happening when Atlanta started closing down the projects. The Powers That Be here Welcomed those displaced with open arms, for the money the feds would give us. Those who were displaced brought the mentality of the projects with them. I would ride C-TRAN if the closest stop was not over three miles away from my home. If I have to get in the car to drive that far I might as well just use it to go where I am going. I have ridden the buses in San Diego, LA, Denver, Salt Lake City, London, Germany, France and The D C area. In fact I am more likely to ride public transit in these places as it is usually more convenient than driving. The South and the Atlanta area( including Clayton County) do not believe in mass transit Which is why Atlanta traffic is the pits. They think if you just throw another road at it it will fix the problem. Wrong .Mass Transit does not bring crime. Criminal mind sets bring crime.
By the way I am white and my family clears over $70,000 a year.

Please!

October 5th, 2009
8:16 pm

Have never seen a bus even half full. Let the riders totally support the bus service if they want it. We should however provide transportation for elderly, and handicapped folks. This could be done with smaller shuttle buses.

Rhonda

October 5th, 2009
9:12 pm

My suggestion is something that should have been utilized at the onset of C-tran. Smaller busses. We should have run the smaller ones from the get-go until there was a greater need. Get smaller busses, and save the larger ones for the need that hopefully will come down the road. Who the heck is running this county anyway? Oh yea, the majority voted skin color instead of integrity and intelligence.

Resolve

October 5th, 2009
11:53 pm

I do not ride C-Tran. I am also one of these citizens that do not see full buses when these C-Tran buses are on the road. Why would the county invest in this failing venture. Do the right thing and get rid of C-Tran!!!!!!!!

I am what you call a super voter. I vote in EVERY election (including run offs). I will notify my commissioner that I prefer he vote against keeping C-Tran. If he does not, I will vote against him and persuade other super voters to vote against him also.

The rough characters that depend on C-Tran and their hard to educate children will move out of Clayton county when transportation is not readily available. When the very hard to educate leave (like they did in Atlanta, we can expect an improved school system. When the school system improve, quality development is next. When we have quality development (homes and businesses), an improved citizentry for Clayton County will ensue. It is all connected!!!!

I question the following statement in the article above “Sixty-one percent of Clayton’s residents ride the bus to work, and 10 percent take it to school.

Do you mean of the citizens that ride C-Tran, 61 percent ride the bus to work and 10 percent take it to school? There is a big distinction in those two sentences.

Progressive African American

October 6th, 2009
8:51 am

I agree with BOTH ‘whatever’ and ‘a real homeowner’.
While I feel that it is not only C-TRAN that has contributed to the thug/criminal element, much of it also has to do with the lack of vision of previous and current Clayton County Leaders. Where C-TRAN ridership is high, look closely at these areas. It becomes evident that Clayton County never truly invested in these communities as a whole to adapt to the changing social trends and demographics.
Not raising taxes in ump-teen years is not a sign of a progressive county’s vision and quality of life standards. Cleaning up the “Hidden Gold Mind” around the airport (which resides in Clayton) and not positioning the communities around it to bring in travelers’ spending dollars is a tell tale sign of incompetent leadership values existent throughout all levels of county government. Had Clayton County gutted/gentrified/cleaned up surrounding areas, raised taxes, raised home prices, it is possible that much of the riff raff would have been kept out, but not all (And I do not believe it is possible to keep out all bad seeds).
Personally, I have a professional career and work five days a week like most people and I make the most with what little money I make. I do not have money trees in my backyard and I play the lottery just as the next person does in hopes of being that much wealthier some day. However, like it or not, the low cost of housing and taxes is what facilitates an element to come into any area…add a public transportation service and now it is that much easier to sustain an unfortunate group of demographics that may not have learned some vital lessons as a part of their growth and upbringing.
I do have sympathy for people who have not been afforded the same opportunities as others. I do feel sympathy for children and teens that are growing up with music, videos and media as a substitute for parents and actually believe that what they are seeing/hearing from TV is an actual depiction of the way they should act and carry themselves. I too have made mistakes in my past, but let’s face it folks, some of these people will never get or understand the lessons that have allowed us to be successful and a productive adult. Personally I was always chastised while coming up that I will need to have my own transportation even if that meant driving myself to a public transportation center – POINT BLANK. So what do healthy people do when they know that can’t change the mindset of a family member(s) who can’t see that what they are doing is not in the best interest of themselves or the people around them? They don’t stop loving them, but they get on with their life and learn to love them from a distance.
In conclusion, get rid of C-TRAN – for now…CLAYTON COUNTY LEADERS AND COMMISIONERS, for once listen to the people who actually go out and cast votes, and are ‘property owners’ – because all too often the ones that make the most noise at town hall or school meetings/forums do not actually take themselves to the voting posts.
For once CLAYTON COUNTY LEADERS AND COMMISIONERS, let’s cater to the 70% of progressive, professional, homeowners who pay taxes on time, vote, have their own means of transportation and want a higher quality and standard of living. Take C-TRAN away for a few years and allow the quality citizens and demographics that will pay a premium for quality services to enter the county…and then bring public transportation service back once a higher standard of living is the norm for all residents.

kallen

October 6th, 2009
10:13 am

Hi Resolve, I understood this to mean that out of 100% of riders, students and workers represent 71%. If you are questioning the other 29%, I believe some are para-transit (elderly/disabled) riders and others are just riding.

DoubleActionII

October 6th, 2009
4:39 pm

Clayton County kept out public transportation for a reason; We are now seeing the aftermath of our mistakes in this County.We cannot afford the luxury of making anymore mistakes.

Rancor

October 6th, 2009
8:29 pm

These clowns on the forum think the “Mass Transit & the Negro” in Clayton ruined this county! If that’s the cases “Why” didn’t Cobb (CCT) and Gwinnett (GCT) both mass transit system screw up those counties??? I think Clayton should “downsize” the existing transit system and fair very well. But until your county elected official grow a pair and start dispensing the county contracts (taxpayer dollars) in a “Fair & Impartial” matter, creating jobs, this county will always have that “Hood Element” lurking in the dark or the light for that matter waiting for an opportunity to strike! Now it’s black on black—pretty sooner it’ll be black on white!!! Bet that’ll really get your “Attention”!
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The Truth

October 6th, 2009
8:40 pm

C-Tran itself didn’t bring the crime element, but it was a VERY important piece of the puzzle. Previous Commissioners (both black and white who now have buildings all over the county named after them) sold us down the creek when the Olympics came to town. Besides Lake Spivey and a couple pockets here and there, Clayton has no expensive housing and plenty of apartments. Most houses are low end or starter homes, which are perfect for Section 8 vouchers. No land-use plans were developed to keep this from happening and developers related to commissioners and the commissioners themselves have profited. C-Tran made the county more appealing to the low-income, and as long as it is around many of them will not leave.

That said, the public transportation never makes money and is always government subsidized. Like roads, there is a user tax (gas or fee to ride) However if very few people ride, it probably needs to go. Just opinion, sorry to those it may hurt.

Double Barrel

October 6th, 2009
8:51 pm

What’s a Progressive African American or Progressive Negro?? Oh, I know an “Uncle Tom”! What just like a “Far Right Conservative” Conserve meaning keep things the way they were 400 years ago, which means keep negroes in a per-civil war state of mind! I don’t think so!

It's broke, let's fix it

October 7th, 2009
10:02 am

Public transportation works in major metropolitan area (like San Francisco, Boston, Chicago & NYC) where there is a central business district. Everyone – upper, middle and working class – utilizes public transportation because it is the cheapest, easiest fastest way to get from point A-point B. In Clayton County, this is not the case. C-Tran is used by those who cannot afford to have a car. Period. The majority of riders are not homeowners paying taxes, therefore they are not contributing to the well-being and future of the County. Get rid of C-Tran and the entire drain it brings to the county’s limited resouces. Its a business decision.

It's gotta be the uniforms

October 7th, 2009
1:47 pm

What needs to be done to address the problems of C-Tran is to make upgrade the uniforms. It would make everyone treat C-Tran with more respect, and then everyone would starting riding it.

It worked in the schools; everybody has a uniform, and now CCPS is a has a world class vision, and schools that are quickly becoming the envy of the state, if not the nation.

I love Heatley, and the BOE. They brought accreditation back so you know they are great. And I love uniforms. Uniforms have been a godsend, and so has Heatley, and so has the BOE. They have a world vision now, and we are so blessed to be part of it.

Concerned Rider

October 7th, 2009
2:19 pm

With all the problems that C-TRAN has been having, has anyone mentioned that MARTA has been running this system on behalf of C-TRAN? As you are probably all aware, MARTA hasn’t exactly had the best run on managing its own system either. I believe that the push backed by MARTA is just another attempt by Beverly Scott to force out C-TRAN and push MARTA bus service into our county.

Double Barrel

October 7th, 2009
11:00 pm

Progressive African American Head is a “PINK” as it can possibly be!!!!!!

Janelle Seiforth

October 8th, 2009
9:16 am

You people should be ashamed of yourself, if they take away C-Tran there would be alot of people out of work they depend on the buses to get them back and forth, you want to see crime take away the buses, how dear you, I used to ride C-Tran and I have a car it has nothing to do with not haveing a car,if you can save a little and ride the bus why not!!!that is there fault that they didn’t budget the bus route correctly. Get rid of the ones that really are not needed like someone said 500 and so on, raise the fare if need people will pay , please don’t take the only transportation that many people depend on to take care of there familes.. People reconsider I wish I had a chance to go to the meeting on the 7th, had to be at work, Think about it like i said raise the prices they will pay but don’t take away the buses. God be with you all. :)

Big Papi

October 8th, 2009
9:37 am

Enter your comments here To all you C Tran whiners: Wake up! Tax payer supported public transportation is not your right. C Tran and Sect. 8 have brought this county to the brink. Look at what public transit has done to So. Cobb and So. Gwinnet……..been to Norcross lately. Bottom line, the riders are not paying for it and the true homeowners can’t afford to pay for it. We knew when it was implemented that one day the bill would come due and now its here. If you don’t like the curtailed C tran Svc, call the moving vans!!!!

Peggy Sue Davis

October 8th, 2009
9:41 am

CTRAN/MARTA needs to return to Atlanta and Fulton County. We don’t want it here. Those who need it will move. And at $7.5+ million dollars/yr in the red, what’s the use??

Get rid of C-TRAN. That money would be better spent on other things in the county that contribute to our well-being, like Police, Fire and the Courts. The jail needs more $$$. Plice need cars than run! Our hardworking DA needs more staff! Are you listening BOC??? You guys need to drop CTRAN/MARTA and pay our hard working Clayton employees more money. They deserve it!

T. Townsend

October 8th, 2009
11:28 am

New to the Clayton County blog and enjoy the topics, Ms. Allen. However, my comments are intended for “Double Barrel”. Mr. “Double Barrel” and other names you use. Please discontinue the albophobia commentary. It’s tiresome, serves no purpose, and makes one sound as if they are a simpleton. I’m sure as intelligent as you are that you can contribute in a more productive manner to the commentary here. I am sure the attention you are seeking would be much more plentiful. Thank you.

oldtimer

October 8th, 2009
4:36 pm

Public transportation is necessary for a community to grow. Go to NY, NJ, and other northeastern cities. Look at Washington DC and Denver. Trasportation in those places is easy and pleasent to use. Transportation systems have police to help curb crime. You can use the commute time to read, listen to your ipod etc.

Sgt Rock

October 8th, 2009
5:50 pm

T. Townsend – I couldn’t agree with you more!

I attended the public meeting last night and two observations come to mind:

1. The Department of Transportation and Development of Clayton County was presented with many citizen speakers. Words were passionate and heartfelt and I personnally was proud to see my fellow citizens attending and being involved in the process. What I haven’t seen, either from the County Dept. of transporation and Development or GRTA is an empirical analysis of ridership using standard survey methodology. While emotions run high, I see no evidence of any study conducted what-so-ever. If there was a study I am sure the conclusions (either for or against C-TRAN) would be clearly apparent and offer the Commissioners insight into a vote based on facts, not conjecture.

2. There was much criticism towards several Commissioners that were not present (Honorable Eldrin Bell was there). I need to remind my fellow citizens that this WAS NOT a Commissioners meeting. This was a public comment session sponsored by the Clayton County Department of Transporation and Development that was held in the Commission meeting room. There was no reason for Commissioners to be present as all comments were transcribed by a court reporter. The Commissioners will receive a copy of all words spoken. They will also receive a report of community sentiment. There was no mandate or need for the Commissioners to be at that meeting so leveling charges against Commissioners is blatantly unfair. What occured was “Basic Meeting Protocol 101″ which may not be realized by many citizens.

Clayton State Student...Trying to become Educated

October 8th, 2009
11:49 pm

I stumbled across this blog by accident and I must say that I am very saddened by some of the comments left here. However I understand where the prospective of the “taxpayers” of this blog is coming from. Most of you all that have left comments have never had to ride public transit so you will not share the passion that the riders have. It may seem as a burden to you all but what about people like me? I am trying to attain education so I will not become an “unwanted”, “Section 8 recipeint” or “Undesireable” as some of the commentaries have written in so many words on here. I have never been arrested, vote faithfully at every election and my parents pay their Property taxes to CLAYTON COUNTY faithfully every year. How am I supposed to get to school everyday or wherever I need to go?

Majority of the routes are not in areas where the median home price surpasses $125k so clearly what are you complaining about? One peice of the blame should be the elected officals “guesstimating” how many riders are using C-tran of actually doing the field work to get exact numbers Some of you sound ignorant and misinformed. People that use public transportation are not riding it for their health or enjoyment!!!

I was taught think before you speak…some should think before they write. Get the facts or better yet COME RIDE WITH US!!!!

Queen T

October 9th, 2009
12:04 am

Many of the posts claim that they never see the buses full. Do you watch bus stops all day? Are you the bus monitor? Probably not. What you are doing is looking down from your high horse instead of looking at what the bus may mean to that person riding it. Perhaps in the economic crisis, they were laid off and just found a job that happens to be thirty miles away. This same person is without a vehicle. Public transportation is their only way to get to work. What about the person on the bus that is about to lose their home and saving the extra money on gas and riding C-TRAN is keeping a roof above their head. The other person on the bus is a student who travels to GSU everyday. So let’s go back to our honorary bus monitors on this forum… don’t these people deserve to get on the bus. How long are we going to roll the windows up in our brand new vehicles and roll our eyes as we pass a bus on Tara Blvd?

Complain about the real wastes of money… ridiculous positions of authority and their outrageous salaries coupled with frivolous lawsuits against said individuals occupying the ridiculous positions.

Just my thoughts :)

G Y

October 9th, 2009
12:42 am

I love the blackberry curve. This will solve ALL problems. Give all Clayton Countians a BB Curve. They can be happy despite circumstances. they can blog from barnes and noble or anywhere……and use many differents towerss. Know what i mean ,Vern? don’
t worry about ctrain. carl rhondenizer — who was a commissioner — pushed for this for years.. Bllame Carl ….o r if this doesn’t work, always blame JT>

Jonny

October 9th, 2009
3:56 pm

Queen – I drive to work and from work at the same time those C-tran buses are supposedly taking so many to work. Never seen a bus more than half full and so many times with less than 5 people.

jimmy (conservative brother)

October 9th, 2009
4:42 pm

C-Tran needs to go. It is not the responsibility of government to see that someone has a way to get back and forth from school, work, grocery store etc. It is that person’s responsibility. I am a life long resident of Clayton County and yes things did change drastically for the worse when C-Tran came. There are other factors too but lets just eliminate the most obvious. If it can not pay for itself then let it go.
Commissioner Bell seems to think that the County should give up C-Tran then add a 1 cent tax and allow Marta to take over. C-Tran was allowed because no one wanted anything to do with Marta in the first place and that has not changed. We can not keep raising taxes by a penny on everyone to satisfy a very small portion of our community.
We have raised property taxes and just voted to raise taxes on hotels and motels in the area we will tax ourselves to death it this continues.
Commissioner Bell is playing a very good political game. He announces something drastic and everyone gets alarmed. People come out in show of protest and he proposes something slightly less drastic but what he wanted all along like higher property taxes. Now he has announced his plans to cut C-Tran and people have shown up in protest… now comes the Marta announcement. How much clearer can it be. We must keep up the pressure and let them know this is not acceptable.

Please!

October 9th, 2009
5:22 pm

Eldrin Bell is on his last term. The voters will make sure of that.

jimmy (conservative brother)

October 9th, 2009
10:02 pm

To Progressive African American. If you look at the areas where C-Tran has high volume you will see that the county has indeed invested a great deal (police and fire). They are the high crime areas and I’m sure that you will say that it is not true. The high volume areas are Riverdale Rd., Gardenwalk Blvd., Flint River Rd and Pointe South areas. Do a simple google search if you need to fact check. Check with police and see what the call volume is in those areas and you will find that the majority of the call volume follows the bus line.
The system has not been around long enough for people think that it is indispensable and even if they did it is time for them to wake up and face reality. In fact it is time for everyone to wake up and realize that “progressive” thinking has gotten us into this mess.
One more thing! Have you really investigated the origins of the term Progressive Movement. The progressives were a group of people who believed in elitism and racism. In fact they were closely aligned with another political movement… the eugenics movement. Point being you appear to have accepted a belief that only saw African Americans as a useful tool to their political ends. Like Marta and possibly some community organizers used those people the other night at the meeting. The commissioners meeting on Tuesday night was empty even though they expected a huge turn out. Amazingly on Wed. the buses flowed in with all the “protesters.”

Clayton County 2009

October 9th, 2009
11:37 pm

Jimmy (conservative brother), Sgt Rock, T. Townsend, Peggy Sue Davis, you guys can say all you want! You don’t have enough votes to keep anyone out of office. Who every the “MAJORITY” of the voter want will win! Clayton county will have a mass transit system either C-TRAN or MARTA! You “Backward People” will just have to live with it – or leave the county!

jimmy (conservative brother)

October 10th, 2009
1:18 pm

Clayton County 2009, there were many who thought that we did not have the votes in the last local election to make a change but Victor Hill, Jewel Scott, and Lee Scott are all sitting at home wondering what happened.
There is a silent majority here and in most communities and they are beginning to become more vocal. C-Tran showed up here in part to get federal dollars when those federal dollars were gone people began to see just how much of a burden C-Tran was. It began to draw from the counties general fund and caused a huge short fall, which causes other services which are used by most everyone to be shorted.
If any elected official votes to keep C-Tran I will guarantee you that person will not get re-elected and we will be sure to post after that election.

Clayton County 2009

October 11th, 2009
1:50 am

jimmy (conservative brother), you idiot, we blacks have the “Majority” whoever, black face we see on the “Billboard” or Colorful Handouts” will win!! What the H-ll you’re talking about! Unless you’re paying the local election official to electronically stuff the ballot box for you, which is the “norm” for Clayton county election, we have the GBI on that! However, we need the FBI on it, because you “Dixie Folks” have our way around these parts! Never the less, the poor and least fortunate need a cheap mass transit system to make a living. What the “Bottom Line”, all you white folk afraid of “Progress” need to move farther south.

Lady Virginia

October 11th, 2009
1:53 am

What about it Bell, are you for C-Tran/Marta? How do you advise him, Mr. Wade Starr? Somp-ins gotta be did!

Poll

October 11th, 2009
9:21 am

What does Clayton County want for bus service? Take the poll, and leave your comment!
http://www.claytonadvocate.com/smf/index.php/topic,4018.0.html

ABC

October 11th, 2009
10:33 pm

CC 2009 you are a fool — it was the blacks in this county that woke up and kicked out the morons – Hill and the 2 Scotts. They saw what the Scott clan and the Trotter idiots had done to the county and wanted a change – for the better. They used their brains and voted in a group of people – black and white that would do what is best for the citizens of this county. Not line their pockets like the aforementioned Scotts, Hill and Trotter. The last election showed the “progress” of the black voter in CC – to understand the issues and to not be taken in by the race-baiters who crawl out from under their rocks every election cycle.

2010 & The Truth

October 11th, 2009
10:44 pm

You talk about mass transit, I talk about accreditation! By now everyone in Clayton county know the accreditation crisis is and was a farce and a racist tacist to incorporate the “Ploutcrats” elected officials, all for the good of the “Rich” in Clayton! Are you kidding me! An accreditation threat after 57 illegal meetings in Cobb County and Metro Area CRCT Cheating all the while, No SACS intervention. Come Clayton’s BOE don’t you fell like a little bite of some uncle toms, worthless, being played, lack of power, voiceless. idiots. The majority of the voting public fells that way! Luckily we have 2010 election coming up!

jimmy (conservative brother)

October 12th, 2009
10:16 am

Clayton 2009, you must be a recent graduate of Clayton County Schools. I guess I should have spelled my name conservative “brotha” for you to get the hint that I am an American whose for fathers descended from Africa. Yes we do have the majority but as some can tell we do not all think monolithic.
Since I am born and raised here my values may be different from yours. My parents stood up and fought when this county really did have racial problems and they also stood up and fought when the question of Marta came before. They new the negativity that would come along with it and so do many of the people who moved here years ago to get away from it.
You put forth the most ridiculous argument. Lee Scott and Jewel Scott had every billboard in Clayton County during the last election and they passed out colorful handouts with colorful language and lies… They are at home now.
You called me something and I won’t stoop to your level on that for if you look at your argument and compare it with history then you will find that the term most accurately describes the person who penned it.

BarbaraA

October 12th, 2009
11:50 am

C-Tran must go and Eldrin Bell also. I have been here 14 years and I have never seen anything like this before, I grew in the Adamsville area so if anybody wants to know you don’t have to act like you are from the hood as they will say. You can still show a little class. I was in a restaurant yesterday I wanted to pull this blue weave out of this young girls hair she looked like a fool, and her father was with her at least but he should have told her baby that’s ugly. Everyone one looking at her and she thought it look good.

Resolve

October 12th, 2009
7:06 pm

Jimmy,

I agree. I am a “SUPER VOTER”. I voted out Jewell Scott, Victor Hill and against Lee Scott. I vote in every election including run offs!!!! I also vote in the RAIN! I am apart of that silent majority that will NOT vote for a commissioner that votes for C-TRAN!!!

Eldrin Bell needs to go!!!!!!!!!! He is still stuck on a this idea of a commuter rail when the rest of the metro area has made no attempt to improve transportation. C-Tran and the commuter rail is a MONEY PIT and Eldrin Bell is willing to through the tax payers money in the pit.

Jimmy said it right. They are cutting services or at a minimum not improving services for tax payers by paying into a losing venture like C-Train and the commuter rail.

PioneerBrother

October 12th, 2009
10:39 pm

I moved here when I was a kid. Been here 25 years. I have to agree that when CTRAN showed up things started getting a lot more ghetto. For example, young men walking down the street with shirts off, grocery carts pushed down the street and abandonded, mentally ill and handicapped people walking in the street in a daze, young kids crossing busy routes such as SR85 and Tara Blvd. These images are preventing us from moving ahead and getting higher end dining and retail establishments.

Now I know these folks have to live somewhere but I don’t want to live in an area where this behavior is common. I work too hard and pay too much money in property taxes to have to deal with this blight to my eyes.

Big Papi

October 13th, 2009
9:26 am

GRTA express buses> GOOD. Senior citizen shuttles> GOOD. C-Tran> BAD!!!!!

Please

October 13th, 2009
8:56 pm

CTRAN is history now.

alicia

October 14th, 2009
12:26 am

I agree with A Real Homeowner, Peggy Sue, Resolve, Pioneer Brother, Big Papi and Barbara A. I feel the same as you guys. If Mr. Bell think we need C-tran, then he needs to go. I did vote out others and he will be next in line. This county has changed over the years and not for the good. I believe getting rid of C-tran will be start in resolving some of the county issues. We are not paying anymore taxes, because my home value has gone down and my taxes did not. It’s time for us to stand up and be counted as real homeowners. Our commissioners have a duty to take care of our others services, first. Let’s continue to fight for C-tran to go away for good and CC 2009 needs to go, too.

Double Barrel

October 14th, 2009
9:49 am

I was at that march in DC this past weekend so I don’t know what’s going on.

DoubleActionII

October 14th, 2009
8:05 pm

“What does Clayton County want for bus service? Take the poll, and leave your comment!
http://www.claytonadvocate.com/smf/index.php/topic,4018.0.html

Just another Membership drive for Give Em The Boot.Guest need not apply for the poll.

Former Transit Operator

October 17th, 2009
1:28 am

You know the people/residents of Clayton County are sad! From the defunked school system to the self-centered homeowners who whine about transit brings crime or oh, my taxes are going to go up and they need to eliminate the service. SHAME ON YOU! FYI.. the great citizens of De Kalb, Fulton and the City Of Atlanta in essence help pay for (with the one(1) cent sales tax) MARTA to keep operating and are tired of that burden. Quit complaining! If anybody should be whining it should be the residences of these two counties and city who NEVER get a break. You all need a self check! I was a MARTA employee for 11 years and was there when C-TRAN first began operation. From that day until now, I couldn’t agree with the people more..it was about time. The poor and struggling middle class people finally didn’t have to worry about a way to work, home or, school. Only thing maybe to worry about is getting a seat to sit down or the bus breaking down and they would be late. I’ve seen the honest faces of people just trying to get to work, raking up money for bus and train fares. Tired because they just got off from work the previous night and had to get back up to take the first bus out just so they can make it back to work on time for the next day. It’s already hard on them now. Just imagine the impact it will have on the one’s who depend on it. I’ve had the privledge to operate that Airport Line and it was a beast. SEVERE OVERCROWDING is an understatement. So what, you don’t see a bus that’s full or half empty, it doesn’t matter people. It is a service that the underprivledged need and a must have in order for them to survive. Some cannot afford to have the nice cars and homes like the rest of you whining homeowners (Ie. Peggy Sue Davis Et al.). Granted if they could, they probally would and wouldn’t have to face this issue. If the shoe was on the other foot, ya probally wouldn’t say the things you did. Stop thinking of self and try and do something positive or to help the system and not fight for it’s demise. I bet if this was a situation that the Clayton residence took an intrest to keep, aid you or help someone you know in a positive way, you wouldn’t fight it. So why do it to the people who need it. In order for you dingbat’s to understand it, you have to experience it. Put yourself in their shoes. My suggestion to ALL RIDERS, PATRONS, and my former brothers and sisters TRANSIT OPERATORS for both C-TRAN & MARTA FIGHT BACK AND FIGHT HARD. If the up-pty folks can fight, raise their voices, sign petitions and win to snuff out transit, you can do the same to keep it. I’ve taken transit all over the United States in all major cities and surprise surprise…their states government gives transit operating capital to keep tranist going so that they DON’T have to face like what is goin on in Clayton County. GEORGIA is the ONLY STATE that does not contribute to the cause(transit) but dictates how MARTA spends it money. What kinda junk is that? METRO ATLANTA it’s time to start ringing Jill Chambers and Sonny Purdue’s phones off the hook..non-stop. It’s the game of politics. What the resident’s don’t understand, your good ole gu-bner in my opinion is trying to starve the transit agencies for state funding to FORCE them to come up under GRTA. Mass Tranist in the Greater Metropolitan Area(Atlanta) is so,so far behind it’s ashame. Charlotte, NC transit (CATS) is half the size of Atlanta, GA and make our tranist look pityful. I urge you to call your elected officials in WASHINGTON and on the local level. People, you have the power! Put the HEAT on them, they can’t and won’t ignore you forever because they want to be re-elected. Petition the Federal Government for more assitance, start a task force. They have funds to throw away for pork belly projects, they most certainly can give more operating capital to tranist & so can the State Of Georgia but they don’t want to. Mass Tranist will never be like it should in Georgia until we finally get away from that “good ole boy” mentality and rid our beautiful of Sonny Perdue as Governer. Clayton County..(C-TRAN) this is your Titanic that hit an Iceberg, either you let it sink and go down or work hard to patch the hole and keep it afloat for the sake of the one’s who rely on it! March 31, 2010 will be here soon! Act NOW!

The Sarge

October 17th, 2009
11:22 pm

Let’s take a look at the many venues served by C-Tran, the courthouse being among them. All these organizations, from the smallest to the largest, will suffer exponentially. The mom-and-pop operations, probably already on the thinest of shoestrings, to the “mega shops” all rely on a labor pool which, in spite of long commute distances, remains loyal. These people are (presumably) trained, experienced, and (again, presumably) the backbone of the operation. These organizations would be wise to, somehow, ban together to form a transit system of their own, be it in the form of a van/van fleet. Monetary contributions, from the member organizations, could be based on, perhaps, the number of employees. The major (potential) stumbling block would be individual organizations 1) approaching this, or some similar program(s) with a half-hearted whats-in-it-for-me attitude, and 2) viewing said program with a free-ride mentality.

Business/local government leaders within the community (previously) served by C-Tran need to adopt a we’re-in-this-together/sink-or-swim attitude. Anything less will only guarantee a worsening of an already bad situation.

rockman

October 18th, 2009
5:23 am

awwww man now i cant ride the bus from my projects in atlanta to go commit home invasions in clayton county anymore! grrr!!!!!…yo i got a 42″ flat screen, $200, no power cable, it fit discreetly on the packed ctran bus full of section 8 renting migrants on the way to the airport to pickpocket tourists!

Big Gubment

October 18th, 2009
11:43 am

“It is a service that the underprivledged need and a must have in order for them to survive. Some cannot afford to have the nice cars and homes like the rest of you whining homeowners (Ie. Peggy Sue Davis Et al.). Granted if they could, they probally would and wouldn’t have to face this issue. If the shoe was on the other foot, ya probally wouldn’t say the things you did. Stop thinking of self and try and do something positive or to help the system and not fight for it’s demise.”

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Welcome to the socialist future, where you pay for not other peoples food, their cable, the roof over their head but their ride to work as well.

DGray

October 18th, 2009
6:51 pm

CTran isn’t the problem.Safe,adequate and efficient public transportation is a concern for Clayton County AND the state of Georgia. If Georgia thinks tax revenue is down now even a temporary halt to the operation of CTran will more fully illustrate how much money people who use CTran spend or rather wont be spending. “Ask the hard questions”to the visionless,spineless,corrupt self serving politicians that created this situation and get them to fix it. Maybe the AJC will do a follow up on this major issue prior to March 31 2010.

Clayco

October 19th, 2009
9:10 am

I am now tired of all the complaining. C-Tran is leaving because most of the tax payers in the county don’t want to fund it. I am a single mother, college graduated and home owner in Clayton as well as a high school graduate from a Clayton County school. All I can say to the bus riders quite complaining and become creative. I went to school full-time, worked full-time all the while raising my child. Don’t allow C-Tran to determine your future. Instead of protesting and beating a dead horse conduct sign-up for car pulls for those who don’t have transportation. Get to know your neighbor who has a car and pay them to get a ride. Dang C-Tran has only been in the county for 5 years and yall act like it is the end of the world. I would vote for bus service to continue for the elderly and the handicap.

fox news is the best

October 19th, 2009
1:24 pm

The only thing clayton county has going for it self is lake spivey C-Tran needs to go. This was a nice county 15 years ago when it was 80% white now look at it.

PRIMEDOG

October 20th, 2009
11:11 am

The county commissioners are pathetic. They simply have not done their jobs. They had 5 years to come up with a plan for local funding to continue the service when the start-up 100 million dollars ran out. After 5 years, the commissioner’s have come up with nothing. That is a disservice to all citizens of Clayton County. Too his credit, Eldrin Bell is throwing out a few ideas now. But its too late. To hear the commissioners lame excuses makes me sick. I don’t see how any voter would ever consider voting to re-elect any these sorry souls. They have simply failed the good citizens of Clayton county by waisting 5 years and ignoring a critical need for continuous public transportation..

Jbb

October 24th, 2009
3:41 pm

answer – probably

T.S.B.

October 25th, 2009
10:05 pm

I must say after reading some of these blogs, I must admit we will never have a real quality of life in the SOUTH. Most of the mind set for people here is I have a car the hell with those who don’t. I have driven transit buses for well over 10 years with Marta. Take a moment to meet someone from other places where transit is made so convenient for people to get around. There are options there there are none here. So before you holla about crime, or about your tax dollars; where is the crime coming from? who committing the crimes? And why are they committing crimes? Your tax dollars-where is really being spent on? New roads,sidewalks, is it being spent on improving a better quality of life in Clayton county or anywhere else in Ga. With all that has happen here in Clayton with the schools and everything else. So just because you have a car let’s think about those who don’t. So if you want Clayton County to be the way it use to be then i encourage you to help make it better. It starts with us the taxpayers not the Commissioners we have the power to improve our neighborhoods instead of blamming everyone else.

masstransitoperator

November 2nd, 2009
3:21 pm

I swear, anyone who sneers at another person for the lowliness of their job, class, religion, race, and where they live, needs to have their garbage and sewage service cut off for five years. After being forced to live in their own filth for a while, they will learn to be grateful for the people who take on jobs that they consider themselves too good for, take 2 or 3 bus routes for, or cleanup after you snotty nose kids have left a mess in a place of business.

amber

November 11th, 2009
10:27 pm

I think they should keep C-tran… Like they say, too many people depend on the C-TRAN to get to school, work and places like the mall and stuff. If C-tran was not hear, then more crimes would happen in clayton county. People that don’t have cars to get back and forth to school or work, then how are they going to get there. I like going to the mall with my friends but sometimes i don’t have a ride up there, so i have to ride the bus…If they take C-tran away then most places like the mall will lose money. The bus that i ride is the (501) and that bus be full… When you get on that bus, you hardly have a place to sit down. Then, when you want to go see one of your friends that you have not seen in a long time and you don’t have a way over there… Then you can ride the bus to the airport and get on the train. If you take away C-tran then most people will lose there jobs and the people that go to school may have to find a school that is closer to where they live… If you depended on the bus to take you to work or school or anywhere else, what would you do??? Would you fight to keep the bus here or just let them take it away?? I believe that the reason why people think that they should take c-tran away is because they don’t understand what other people are going thru… So if the shoe was on the other foot, what would you do??? THINK ABOUT THAT!!!

Donald Wilson

November 12th, 2009
5:33 pm

I am 40 year home owner in Jonesboro and have seen it through times that others will not say . I was here when Jonesboro was majority white and now that it is majority black. The feeling that a transit system brings crime an unwanted type of people (black) to the community is proof of your ignorance… First an foremost a criminal mindset is want brings crime to a community. Criminals who are set on robbery and selling drugs have transportation, after all it would be mighty stupid to steal hoping that you did not miss the bus while the police is in pursuit or you selling meth ,weed, coke or anything the victims are willing to buy but can not save enough to buy transportation to get you to a-b …. no! the people who rides a transit system it s for convience from traffic, disabled,college students , elderly ; and people in poverty bcause for them they can only pay the bills nothing else so personal transportation is not an option but theses people are not criminals… they all ride for a reason but logically crime is not one…… Now I am from small country town originally in Texas where you have more Cattle than people and everyone had to have transportation to get around that small quiet town so when I moved here once I served my time in the Marine Corp I never thought of not having a vehicle ….. but I do understand that there are people who may require and some who will benefit from a Public Trasit System….. After all a Criminal is a mindset, same as some of your Racist Viewpoints… Now if you had came with the county losing money yearly issue that is a logical stand but even in that I have to ask we have so much money for un worthy things where is the Love the compassion for your community . I see we have come so far but we still have so far to go p.s I am a Black Man married to a Black Woman home paid for , car paid for children in college , great credit score , and I was hired by a White Man who choose to see my skill set , my work ethic ,versus the preconcieved thoughts of what a Black person is about .. Thank God for that type of White People because there are still few like you with your MINDSET

DoubleAction

November 13th, 2009
9:22 pm

Donald; You sound like a man who knows which side his bread is best buttered on.

Let's State the Obvious.

December 11th, 2009
8:55 pm

It’s a shame that smart people are overshadowed by ignorant people. I’ve read all of the posted remarks regarding C-Tran, poor people, elderly, handicapped, commissioners, schools, crime, drugs and the like. Let’s cut to the chase. America is still divided. There are still two class of people, white and “others”. Now for a bit of truth to some of those “Mr. Charlie” white folks and some of those “House Worker” blacks, in this country the police are trained to view all of us as the following – criminals as well as to look at all of us as guilty first. This is a stated fact from the training academy as well as the force. Speaking of the force, did you know the reason the internal affairs was created? That’s right — criminals also became police officers. Finally, did you know that real class in this country and the world are the wealthy? Everyone else is just cattle, a means to bring in the riches so that it may be added to the wealth that will be willed away to the descendants of the fortune 5 and fortune 10 companies. Yes, even you programmed right wing super-voters and programmed left wing super-voters, you are puppets of a greater system, just like the poor. Yes, you were robbed first by your white elected officials and then you complained when the “other” elected officials robbed you. I pay taxes, my taxes weren’t suppose to go to the poor, blah, blah, blah. Read up on how the middle and low income people pay the most in taxes and the rich and wealthy pay the lease. Don’t forget, American jobs have been outsourced to other countries since the late 70’s and early 80’s. Don’t forget that white women couldn’t vote, only white men. This country fell apart a long time ago so blame your neighbor and yourself because you are just as much a decent from a slave as much as the person you look at as lowly. Remember endenchered servants?Remember the Boston Tea Party? Think about it, are you debt free? 100 percent debt free? Can you buy anything you want right out without the use of credit? Please remember the system you so call believe in only sees you as a sources of income that’s why your taxes keep going up. Why don’t you complain about the lack of proper schooling country wide instead of county wide. If you look around the world, America is not the cutting edge for technology, medicine and education. All of you go study and research everything you see and hear. Do it for yourself. Don’t do it for me or because someone is reciting a script to you. Go to the library. If we still have one. That’s fading away too. This country is the titanic. Not C-Tran. Not the poor. Not the racist. (They’re just ignorant and are happy to be so. Just like thieves who are happy stealing and killing. Both of those groups are killing every city and county.) May all of bloggers and posters have a great morning/afternoon/night.

Let's State the Obvious.

December 11th, 2009
9:00 pm

Oh yeah, to Double Action and the rest who think and speak as such, you folks are a danger to yourselves. Your mind is locked in an off position. Hopefully, a key is in your future to open your min and free you from thinking the way you do. When your children or grandchildren bring home a Mexican, African, Indian, Pakistani or some other descendant of “color” hopefully you won’t have a heart attack or better yet, a stroke.

Memezy

January 3rd, 2010
1:13 pm

First of all, I agree with all of the bus riders. Th c-tran is essential in Clayton county. There are lot of students in high school that use the us to get to school and what will they do. Its plenty of peoplethat use the c-tran to get to and from work, the grocery stores, shopping, downtown, mall, everywhere around Atlanta. Many families can’t afford a car or other means of transportaton. How is the atmosphere here in Clayton County any different from McDonough or Lovejoy where there isn’t a bus route. Are the ones who commit crime ridding on the bus cuz if so the police must not be doin they jobs. The busesa neve come on time so there is a wait so if ur criminal is waiting at a bus stop then maybe yall need to be lookin at the city.

Secondly, crime is everywhere. Crime will never stop. When Aerica was founded there was crime then so now 2010+ year later guess what there is still crime and goin to be crime. Maybe instad of th police stoppin people for stupid stuff or just becaus they feel like it (courtesy stops) then maybe they could get criminals off the streets.

Lastly, if any of you ever got on the bus at the airport then maybe you would see how cowded the buses really are. There are multiple stops. Its one on every street and sometimes two. So u can’t possibly thik that beween all them stops aint nobody suppose to get off. Think people. By the end of the bus line its suppose to be empty and by the t it hit jonesboro it is empty. On the other hand the 501 to the dfcs and health department is alway crowded in the morning times. Don’t try to criticize the buses until you actually get on them ad ride them. There is no need for racism though cuz the main people who ride buses are tax payers and workig class people. I am a mother of 4, 24. My other works from 3am until 5pm. So if my kids have a doctors apt. guess what I have to ride the bus. My daughter has sickle cell and I have to go all he way downtown to Hugh Spaulding to take her to the doctor…… So which one of yall goin to volunteer to take me and my kids down there or pay for me a cab?? There is alot of teenage pregnancy in Clayton County how will those kids get there children to the doctors or get themselves to the doctor. You think this city bad now take those buses away and see how bad it will really get cuz then that leave alot of people to walk around neighborhoods and crime rate will really be high. The city would really fall apart. Where would that leave the elderly and disabled at?? Think about that.

Concerned Citizen

January 5th, 2010
5:00 pm

I’m a little late in making this commentary, but nonetheless interested in the discussion. I have been a resident of Clayton County for approximately 14 years on and off, and originally fron Brooklyn, N.Y. Beleive me, crime does not visit a community because it has public transportation. Crime exists everywhere, including all the posh areas in Buckhead, Norcross, and Sandy Springs. When the criminal element visits our community’s they usually drive in and drive out!!! They don’t wait for a bus! I moved to Clayton county because it is reasonably priced for home ownership and also because, at times I may have to use public transportation. I happen to be one of those patrons that went to the forums to discuss the future of C Tran and suffice it to say, the patrons of C Tran were treated with utter disrespect. White, black, it didn’t matter. With the state of our economy and for that matter the state of our environment it would seem to me that public transportation is a viable option for all citizen’s if it could be handled cleanly. Statistics supported by MARTA indicate that the ridership is there. God knows I’ve taken the bus during times when my car was not working and the buses were full of people!!! Many who have posted their comments on here have probably not taken C Tran. Let that not be a testimony to their ignorance and intolerance. Not everyone has the means to obtain a car. Those who do, may be those who are most indebted to this society and feel the need to “keep up with the Joneses.” Let’s get off of our high horses and recognize that crime which many feel was ushered into Clayton county by public transportation, can happen anywhere. Just listen to the evening news.

Will

January 8th, 2010
11:21 pm

Clayon County should use MARTA for public transportation.

dodge

January 10th, 2010
5:00 am

i am 16… and i get up at 5 am everymorning to go to school on c-tran,, i think if they gone take it away then they need to but everyone without, cars.. because i ride the 504 and it be packed like sardines on there every route… please dnt take it away

Brandon

March 17th, 2010
10:46 am

First of all, No one has considered the facts of what will happen when C-Tran Closes…

How many people ride the bus to work?

How will business suffer that were shopped by people who rode C-Tran.

How much tax dollars will be lost due to the buses being removed, taxes including payroll, and sells tax.

These are all interesting questions.

When C-Tran is cut, I believe that Clayton county will save in the short term but hurt the county even further by the loss of revenue it will cause.

Some cities don’t even have transit and are ridden with crime, so stop saying transit brings crime that is not a fact.

view transitfacts dot com

for every dollar spent on transit it generates 4 to 9 dollars in economic activity.