Have your say with Superintendent Heatley

If you have questions and/or concerns about anything regarding Clayton County Public Schools, here is another opportunity to bring them directly to the source.

Superintendent Edmond Heatley is hosting a series of public forums throughout September. The purpose is to give attendees an opportunity to interact with, voice concerns, ask questions of and make comments directly to the Superintendent. “I really want to know what our residents have to say about public education in general and our school district specifically,” says Heatley.

The first will be held this Thursday, Sept. 3 at Mundy’s Mill High School (9652 Fayetteville Road, Jonesboro) and the remaining schedule is as follows:

  • Thurs. Sept. 10 at Charles Drew High School (6237 Garden Walk Blvd., Riverdale)
  • Wed. Sept. 23 at Morrow High School (2299 Old Rex Morrow Rd, Morrow)
  • Wed. Sept. 30 at Mt. Zion High School (2535 Mt. Zion Parkway, Jonesboro)

Each forum runs from 6-7:30 PM and interpreters will be available.

Will you attend a forum when it comes to your local school? If so, what questions and/or concerns will you share with Superintendent Heatley about CCPS?

Looking for something to do in Clayton County during the Labor Day weekend? Here’s a couple of ideas – if you know of any other events happening around the county, feel free to share:

The South Metro Caribbean Festival - The Caribbean Association of Georgia in partnership with various Clayton County agencies will host their first annual South Metro Caribbean Festival on Sat., Sept. 5 from 12-8 PM at Clayton County International Park (The Beach). Food vendors will provide a variety of delicious, international and local cuisines and events will include live reggae, calypso, soca, gospel, poetry, dancing and moko jumbi performers, as well as showcasing local talent and artists. Additionally, there will be activities such as contests, games, displays, and prize giveaways along with a variety of children’s activities. Free blood pressure and diabetes checks will be provided throughout the day by medically trained personnel and concludes with a fireworks show. The Festival is open to the public with a $3 parking fee per car (commercial vans and buses are an additional fee) and access to the beach area will cost $10 for adults, $8 for kids.

LudaDay “Stars for Cars” – do you REALLY need a new vehicle? Ludacris’ foundation along with Nissan South in Morrow are giving away 20 vehicles on Sun., Sept. 6 from 1-3 PM. The catch? Write a 300 word essay and submit by Sept. 3 explaining your why you really need a car. Check web site for details.

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oldtimer

August 31st, 2009
11:30 am

What are the schools doing to increase rigor and decress grade inflation?

What you deserve

August 31st, 2009
1:56 pm

If the citizens of Clayton want real reform, this is the question they will ask:

What specific proposal will you support, that will have a direct, tangible effect on improving the classroom teacher’s authority to remove severely disruptive students? And what provisions in that policy will support the teacher’s right to do so, when administrators are hesitant to support the teacher in maintaining the integrity of the learning environment?

Until ClayCo rises up in overwhelming numbers and is willing to ask that question of Heatley, as well as ask it of the current and former teachers of the BOE who know that true progress cannot be made until this issue is addressed, you can conclude only one thing.

ClayCo is getting the school system they fully and richly deserve.

regular guys fan

August 31st, 2009
2:04 pm

where is trotter? he on vacation?

Huh?

August 31st, 2009
2:15 pm

to “What You Deserve” how did I know you were gonna say that?

What you deserve

August 31st, 2009
2:48 pm

Sure you knew it huh? Because it gets to the heart of what ClayCo needs to start seriously addressing the failure of the education system in ClayCo.

I’m sure there are plenty, in fact almost an infinite number of questions Heatley would rather address than that one, but when it comes to what would improve CCPS, can you suggest a better question?

What you deserve

August 31st, 2009
3:07 pm

Kimberly,

Can you find out if questions for Heatley will have to be submitted in advance-which potentially makes the whole thing a fraud, if they can set aside and not answer any uncomfortable questions-or will people be able to come and ask a question without it being censored?

omobola Fajuyi

August 31st, 2009
3:48 pm

There are some qualify teachers that the school systems did not renew their contract not because of budget cut but because their principal did not like them.Because what the school board is complaning about them happens to other and were not lay away from the school system, which is unfair. Because of personal hatred there name is not even in the pool. What is the new supretendent doing about it?

Holy Cow!

August 31st, 2009
5:07 pm

I certainly hope, if the “qualify teachers” write like the above poster, the new superintendent is doing nothing.

My apologies if the above poster is a concerned citizen with a good point, but for whom English happens to be a second language.

Just a thought

August 31st, 2009
6:01 pm

We would like to know what the Superintendent will do with incompetent administrators who continually have no regard for their staff. SURVEY THE STAFF. If given the job as a hook up, the incompetence is certainly showing. The administrators who have high turn over rates, thus losing great educators year after year. Reorganization should be in order for a better district. Let’s move administrators around, giving them more experience. Also look into diversification. Omobolo, you’re right,it does happen if they don’t care for you. The staff is there to educate, not win popularity contests.

regular guys fan

September 1st, 2009
7:23 am

trotter must be on a cruise or somptin

Dr. John Trotter

September 1st, 2009
9:06 am

What is there on which to comment? The school board now has what it wanted…a man from California…just as Ericka Davis was insistent in 2005 on going all the way up to Minnesota to bring in Pulliam. Dr. Sam King, Educator of the Year in Georgia (as chosen by fellow superintendents), a known quantity in Clayton County and currently doing a super job by all accounts as superintendent in Rockdale County, was available, but the school board, never known for its wisdom, chose to bring in a person, sight unseen, with two years of experience in the classroom. Dr. Sam King is well-known for making discipline a top priority in a school system. I remember him when he was an assistant principal at Oliver Elementary School, principal at Forest Park Middle School, and as he actually worked his way up to Assistant Superintendent before Rockdale County realized that he was a “steal” and offered him the supetintendency about five years ago. He is known throughout Georgia as truly one of the brightest and hardest-working superintendents around. But, if the Clayton County School Board, chooses to go with Sergeant Edmund Heatley, then so be it. We will see where the school system ends up under his leadership. At MACE, we predicted that the school board would be sorry that it ever had hirerd Pulliam. In fact, the night that the school board voted on her contract, MACE folk were picketing the school board. One sign said: “You’re gonna be sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry.” Within three years, the same Ericka Davis was working diligently to get rid of Pulliam.

Both Dr. Sam King and Dr. Valya Lee would have been better superintendents for Clayton County than Sergeant Edmund Heatley. But, Clayton County has, through the years, been a veritable graveyard for superintendents, and the school board probably did both of these good educators a favor by not selecting them. I cannot remember a single superintendent who ever left the Clayton County School System simply because they wanted to retire. I personally did not know Ed Edmonds, but I knew his nextdoor heighbors and his personal secretary. I am told that the legislature changed the appointed/elected nature of the superintendency, depending on Mr. Edmonds’s popularity at the time. He preceded Mr. Stroud. I have personally known and iteracted with the following Clayton County superintendents: Earnest Stroud, Joe Lovin, Bob Livingston, Joe Hairston, Dan Colwell, Bill Chavis, Barbara Pulliam, Gloria Duncan, and Valya Lee. Mr. Stroud “retired,” but I am sure that he saw the handwriting on the wall, so to speak.

I wish Dr. Heatley the best. Right now, Clayton County is dead last in the cellar on SAT and CRCT scores. The discipline has become atrocious through the years. About Edmund Heatley: I have never met the gentleman nor have I spoken to him on the phone. This, I am sure, is what qaulified him the most in the eyes of some school board members. (I was told by a sitting school board member in 2005 that the school board then was going “all over the country,” trying to find someone whom I did not know.) Dr. Heatley, I will not call upon you — unless your administration violates the law (e.g., refuses to follow the grievance law, OCGA 20-2-289.5 et seq., the duty-free lunch law for elementary school teachers, OCGA 20-2-218, etc.). I have bigger eggs to fry.

Clayton County has become, as we say in the MACE Office, the “New Atlanta.” Dr. Heatley, you are encountering the same issues that confronted the old Atlanta, particularly in the 1970s and 1980s. I hope that you will be successful in your endeavors. But, if you simply try to sweep the dsiciplinary problems under the proverbial rug, your stint in Clayton County will probably be somewhat truncated.

Dr. John Trotter

September 1st, 2009
11:05 am

The year in the opening paragraph should be 2004, not 2005. Kim, sorry about this wrong date. Tchau.

show or no show

September 1st, 2009
1:09 pm

If people are forced to submit questions in writing ahead of time, then the entire thing is a dog and pony show for the benefit of a ClayCo that unfortunately has shown itself to be willing dupes to the CCPS dog and pony show time and time again.

Just look at the school uniforms for a perfect example and the number of people who truly believe that the BOE has actually addressed discipline because the students are wearing uniforms!

Are citizens being forced to submit their questions in writing at the door? If ClayCo can’t get an answer to that, then nothing the ask inside the door is going to matter.

oldtimer

September 1st, 2009
2:26 pm

Looking at Dr. Trotter’s list of supers in CC, There were some good ones. As a teacher I liked Harrison. He put some teeth into the promotion rules and stirred up the pot of administrators. I guess I never had any problems with supers, but I know under which ones we had the most support with behavior and it was not in the last few years I taught.

Dog and pony show

September 1st, 2009
3:33 pm

CCPS, by any objective measure, has been a complete, total, utter, abject, abysmal failure, and what is Heatley’s response? To “go global” in vision. CCPS can’t even remotely, with the exception of the Jonesboro High Mock Trial team and other individual exceptions, compete locally, and yet Heatley says he’s going to “go global”?

Does he also think if you call ground chuck filet mignon it will suddenly taste better? Or does he just hope the citizens of ClayCo are gullible enough, as they have been in the past, to buy his snake oil, because it’s imported from out of town?

Which comes first the chicken or the egg?

September 1st, 2009
4:01 pm

My question for the new superintendent concerns teacher quality. What will the new Superintendent do to attract qualified, experienced and talented teachers to teach in Clayton County?

As in any profession, it takes a few years to truly learn your job. In my opinion, even in the best school, it generally takes about three years for a teacher to balance classroom management (discipline) and teaching the content. This fact prompts me to ask the following question: Which comes first, poor student discipline which leads to a poor selection of teachers or a poor selection of teachers that lead to poor discipline?

More plainly put, is discipline out of control because the school system has too many unqualified, inexperienced, TAPP teachers that are ill equipped to handle the general misbehavior of students or do Clayton County have a bunch of kids that need a jail cell oppose to a classroom?

What are your thoughts?

kallen

September 1st, 2009
5:01 pm

To “What you deserve” re: questions being submitted in advance, I will email CCPS to confirm (& you may want to do the same) but according to the press release, Heatley says:

“The format will be simple – the audience will furnish the comments and the questions that will power each session.”

The press release says nothing about submitting questions in advance, but does state that you can contact Charles White, at 770-472-8437 for more information.

The chicken comes first

September 1st, 2009
8:07 pm

The chicken comes first. Here’s how you know. Walk into any of these schools where discipline is poor. You’ll see one or two classrooms where students as a rule, are out of control. That indicates, in those few classrooms, it’s the teacher.

Yet look throughout the school, and in virtually every class you’ll a small number of chronically disruptive students taking up a disproportionate amount of the teacher’s time. Students who, for the most part, have been shielded from the consequences of their actions.

And that clearly is CCPS, and when it comes to taking a courageous stand on discipline, CCPS, in the truest sense of the word, has been the chicken.

The child who disrupts learning the entire year, fails to do his own work and then fails the CRCT, only to get promoted anyway. That’s not the teacher, that’s CCPS, the chicken.

The child who hits a teacher, only to have an administrator write it up as “disruptive behavior” because the administrator doesn’t want an assault on the school’s record. That’s not the teacher, that’s CCPS, the chicken.

I would say it’s the chicken running around with their heads cut off, but given that we have a former Marine as a supt. and current and former teachers on the board who know first hand the importance of supporting the teacher in matters of discipline, it’s more like the chickens who chose to place their heads up their posteriors rather than deal with the 5000 lbs elephant in the room that every one can clearly see.

Ask Heatley what specific proposal he has in mind, that will give teachers direct, tangible support in enforcing behavior standards and see if he gives you an honest straightforward answer as becoming of a Marine; or see if the CCPS chicken, once again, lays an egg.

jail cells not needed

September 1st, 2009
8:23 pm

It’s not a choice between bad teachers and bad students who need a jail cell. Take the same teachers you have now, and instead of giving them more “training” that in reality exists more to justify CCPS administrative salaries than to truly help teachers, give them this instead.

Support for the classroom teachers consequences, both in terms of behavior and grades. Support for the firm, consistent, and compelling consequences that all but the most severely impaired students will respond well to.

Jail cells not needed. But unfortunately, that’s where too many wind up, when they find the real world isn’t as spineless as CCPS when it comes to consequences.

Scrambled Eggs

September 1st, 2009
9:38 pm

Will Superintendent Edmond Heatley ask the Clayton plutocrats to give the children back the 44 million dollars lost over bickering amongst clandestine society and the old BOE about money and contracts?

Scrambled Eggs

September 1st, 2009
9:40 pm

Yeh, the ole confederate sitting on the ethics committee is in the clandestine society

regular guys fan

September 2nd, 2009
7:29 am

what is a pluto crat

kallen

September 2nd, 2009
9:44 am

Good morning,

The date for the Morrow High School forum has been changed to Wednesday September 23.

John Stewart

September 2nd, 2009
10:46 am

Wow!!!

I can believe that we have allowed Trotter and in minions to take over this conversation. I can’t believe I am even mentioning Trotter.

I will say this. I am glad we have Heatley in not any insiders like Lee who Trotter trips over his tongue for. The only negatives arguments that are made against Heatley is that he is an outsider. Thank God that he is. Thank goodness that we have someone that so far appears to have some integrity which is more than I can say for “thank God he’s gone” Thompson. A blind 90 yr old with a blindfold on wearing sunglasses sitting in a rocking chair in a dark room at midnight could have seen that Thompson was only here for the money. That sure was some great direction you gave your minions on the board in picking that one there Trotter.

Here is the flaw in Trotter’s argument regarding discipline in the classroom. It’s not up the the teacher nor the school system. It’s up to the parents. Parents need to go back to old school *ss whippings, being involved in the kids life and then you will see change. Get to know your child’s teacher and then you will see change regarding discipline in the classrooms?. Here is a novel idea…..communicate with your child’s teacher via email or phone (email will get you a faster response.) Have the teacher let you know when there are disturbances in the classroom that cause her to have less time teaching and then go up to the school and talk to the principal about the issues. If you have enough parents doing what they are suppose to be doing……….parenting then you will see change.

I’m sorry I am tired of Trotter’s ISH blaming the *amn school system for everything. Clayco let’s take responsibility for our own and get our ISH together and parent OUR kids.

My name is John Stewart and I approve this message.

What you deserve

September 2nd, 2009
3:22 pm

“Here is the flaw in Trotter’s argument regarding discipline in the classroom. It’s not up the the teacher nor the school system. It’s up to the parents”

Yes, but John Stewart, when the child fails, and deliberately at that because he chooses not to apply himself, we don’t hold the parent accountable; we hold the teacher accountable.

Heck we don’t even hold the student accountable. Do you have any idea John Stewart how many students fail the CRCT in CCPS, and then get promoted anyway, over the classroom teacher’s objection?

If we are going to give teachers that level of accountability, then we MUST give them the level of authority needed to teach, up to and including the removal of chronically disruptive students who willfully choose to disrupt.

If you want to say it’s a societal problem, and the schools are only a symptom, I agree. There are other systems that don’t have these problems to the extent ClayCo does, not necessarily because they have more spine, but because they have more parents that value education, so these problem don’t arise quite as frequently.

But don’t let schools off the hook by letting them kowtow to the loud and foolish acting parents who want shield their child from consequences; the former and current teachers on the board know full well how important the issue is, yet they refuse to address it. It is right to hold them accountable for that failure.

And a Marine like Heatley should know full well. And that’s why parents, huge numbers of them, can make an immediate change by putting him on notice that they expect him to develop policy that will have a direct, tangible impact on increasing the teacher’s authority in removing willfully, and chronically disruptive students.

Until that day, safe to say, ClayCo is getting the system it fully and richly deserves.

BB

September 2nd, 2009
3:28 pm

Is this the Trotter and cronies forum. He even has to bring up his own name so he can respond to himself. Schizophrenia – - right. Too bad. Because Heatley deserves more of a chance that these yahoos are willing to give.

Funny how JT, others have such limited memories. The graveyard you spoke of has your handprints all over most of it. Ever since you vowed to continually harass the Clayton school system those many years ago. You have held sway from time to time over a number of BOE members (after all – they owed you didn’t they) and even a Super or two.

Everyone knows rules/laws are only for people other than you and followers. Conflict of interest never bothered you when NH was your puppet of choice on the BOE.

You knew those early superintendents – after all didn’t you teach for a while. But which one did not let you come back to get those last three years. All of us can rest in one fact – you will always have one fan – yourself. PEACE be with you and yours.

What you deserve

September 2nd, 2009
4:48 pm

How is asking Heatley what specific policies does he plan to implement that will have a direct, tangible affect on empowering teachers to remove students who continually disrupt the learning process not giving Heatley a chance?

The only chance it doesn’t give him in the the chance to avoid accountability on a core issue that is hampering CCPS today.

Are you so enamored with Heatley, you want to shield him from addressing discipline and the lack of institutional support teachers in CCPS have in regard to discipline?

Which comes first the chicken or the egg?

September 2nd, 2009
5:32 pm

Unfortunately, I do not think my question was truly answered. Are the discipline problems in Clayton County a symptom of inexperienced teachers or are the discipline problems in Clayton County a symptom of disruptive out of control students?

Ironically, I turned on the TV this afternoon and watched “The Education of Ms. Groves” on the Sundance channel (549 on direct TV). The show chronicles the experiences of a first year teacher in an inner city school. Many of the children came to school ill prepared and as Ms. Groves said, “not understanding their job as a student”.

Although Ms. Groves made that comment, she is not blaming the students for their shortcomings and the students and parents are not blaming Ms. Groves for her shortcomings as a teacher. My mind does wonder , what if Ms. Groves (with all her shortcomings as a first year teacher) start blaming the children’s discipline issues as her reason for not being successful. She will NEVER be the best teacher she can be blaming the children.

As I watched the show, I thought we can not politicize these children education in Clayton County. There is a FOR PROFIT business that stays in business by waving the discipline banner. When teachers get frustrated, it is easy to carry that banner.

We need committed individuals (students, teachers, parents, administrators and the community) to commit to the schools; not the blame game.

past and present

September 2nd, 2009
5:38 pm

I count 6 Trotter personalities here

Dr. John Trotter

September 2nd, 2009
6:20 pm

I have not looked at this blog since yesterday morning when I posted on it. I did indeed forget to mention that Thompson was in Clayton County for a short stint. I am flattered that a rube or two actually may think that I would use several anonymous (six, if I remember correctly) personalities to make some statements on this blog. No thank you. I’d rather just use my own name or the name of some obvious cousins (e.g., Earl of Ft. Liquordale, Reverend Jimmy Jack Bourbon, et al.). But, hey, my offer still stands: I will debate the issues of the Clayton County School System with any willing taker at any public forum at any agreed upon time. How’s that for being transparent? Are any of you scared little weenies who post anonymously willing to take me up on this offer? Hey, I am 55 years old now and perhaps getting a little rusty. So, I may have slowed down a tad. You never know. The offer is for any of you “Anons” or Kathy Cox or anyone else. No, I don’t need to hide behind anonymity. I openly make my case and perhaps this is why some of you are jealous of me. You ought to try yourself; it’s fun being a free man. By the way, I did make a couple of mistakes in my blog of yesterday morning. The two times that I mentioned “2005″ should have been “2004.” And, I think Mr. Stroud spelled his first name “Ernest,” not “Earnest.” I did not make a mistake about discipline being the number one issue in the school system. It doesn’t matter what the curriculum is or what vision Superintendent Heatley has for the school system if the students are swinging off the rafters. As we always say at MACE, you can’t have good learning conditions until you first have good teaching conditions.

Fed Up!

September 2nd, 2009
8:57 pm

Please delete my entire post from Aug. 31 that is awaiting moderation.
Thank you

Who can first Jesus or Chirst?

September 2nd, 2009
9:59 pm

The Newspaper “The Clayton Neighbor” reported that the former student that departed are returning; that’s false! Clayton school system just inherited refugees from the next to last Atlanta Housing Project “Herndon Homes” on northside drive just past the Ga. Dome.Yep, the ole fat confederate sitting on the school system ethics commission cost the children 44 million dollars lost over bickering amongst clandestine society and the old BOE about money and contracts. There going discipline, AYP, CRCT score, ACT, and SAT score. Thanks ole fat men for farther destroying the county! Wow!

"Fed UP I Love You

September 2nd, 2009
10:05 pm

You have no opinion, you “Rethuglician!

The chicken came first

September 2nd, 2009
10:21 pm

Your question was answered, and answered fully. The chicken came first. The discipline problems in Clayton are caused by chronically disruptive students that the system won’t discipline, not by inexperienced teachers.

Common sense tells us that if were truly the fault of inexperienced teachers, the students would be acting out in those classes, and those classes only. That does not happen, and anybody who suggests otherwise is simply not being honest.

That these same abhorrent behaviors happen in even classrooms with good, experienced teachers, even if they don’t happen as frequently show the blame lies not with the teacher, but with the student and the lack of support the teacher gets.

Furthermore, it is best for the student to put the responsibility on him, rather than make excuses that it’s the inexperienced teacher’s fault, for the real world, undoubtedly will not care one whit who his teacher was if he chooses not to follow the laws of society.

Again, when a student acts out the entire year, fails the CRCT, and the administration promotes him anyway over the teacher’s objections, which is a documented common occurrence in CCPS what more proof do you need that the teacher is not being supported by CCPS administration when it comes to holding students accountable?

The single best way to get a child to follow the laws of society is to teach them by making sure there are consequences for not following the rules at school. What is so hard to comprehend about this?

mano

September 2nd, 2009
10:38 pm

GO git ‘em , John. At least you have told some truth – Earl, Rev JJB, which proves you used ‘em in the past – no reason to think you stop now.

If V. Lee was so great – how come now after 4 weeks – my child still has to school books. Guess she did not do her job either.

Flying fists of fury

September 2nd, 2009
11:08 pm

I see the Trotter bashers are out here in full force, all full of sound and fury. As well as the bashers of capitalism. Maybe some people can disagree with MACE on some issues, but the last thing I thought is that the words for profit would be considered dirty words in ClayCo. Who knew ClayCo was the bastion of socialism here is Georgia?

I guess in keeping with the socialist agenda, we’ve decided that holding the student personally responsible for his actions is a big no-no. Shame on MACE for wanting to hold the student accountable for cursing at, or even attacking a teacher. It must be the government’s fault!

Yep, that mean old government isn’t hiring the teachers who will somehow magically make chronically disruptive students, often from dysfunctional homes with inadequate support, act like perfect angels, and catch up four or five grade levels in a single year, even in the absence of any real and meaningful consequences.

Act out the entire year, show up tardy, when you bother to show up at all, then fail the CRCT but still get promoted by administration over the teacher’s objections? And whose fault is that? Why the inexperienced teacher’s fault of course. And if you happened to have a good experienced teacher, with whom most students had success? Still the teacher’s fault!

Since Trotter and MACE are so wrong about discipline in the schools, I can’t wait until the real experts step up to the plate and take up Trotter on his offer to openly debate him.

You know, just like Dr. Trotter was proven wrong about cheating on the CRCT. Oh my bad, he wasn’t proven wrong, as there is currently a multi-district investigation into CRCT cheating going on at the state dept. of education. Ok, scratch that one from the list.

But I’m sure you have others. You know, like he was totally wrong about John Thompson. Yep, step right up and tell the world what a great out of town find John Thompson was! Ok scratch that one from the list as well.

Still, I’m sure Kimberly will be sure to keep us apprised of the dozens of people who will be contacting you to take up Dr. Trotter on his offer.

CCPS empowers the people

September 3rd, 2009
8:22 am

Don’t you feel empowered by CCPS? They are going to let you have a say in the name of the new school on Panhandle Road. Isn’t that exciting? And they are even going to take your suggestions on the mascot’s name.

No, they still haven’t addressed a policy that will mandate more support for teachers when it comes to removing the chronically disruptive students who are affecting your child’s education but who care? You get to choose a mascot!

Maybe Panhandle Road can be changed to Pandering Road to celebrate what the BOE is doing for citizens.

Clayton Resident

September 3rd, 2009
8:55 am

I hope all you people who are talking trash on this blog will be at one of those meetings to say the same thing to Dr. Heatley’s face. I see no problem with him so far and he’s got a lotta mess to clean up from past superintendents. He’s only been on the job a month give him some time to address these issuea and if you only post your complaints on this blog then don’t say anything when your issues don’t get addressed.

Well now

September 3rd, 2009
9:03 am

I’m guessing Dr. Trotter has no problem with dealing directly with Dr. Heatley. Maybe Dr. Heatley will agree to a debate with Dr. Trotter on how to best address the discipline problems confronting the schools.

Clayton Resident

September 3rd, 2009
10:41 am

Money talks and mace & trotter well you know the rest.

Clayton resident is right

September 3rd, 2009
11:24 am

Yes Clayton Resident is we know the rest, but who’s really doing the walking here. That’s why the saying is “put your money where your mouth is” and that’s exactly what Dr. Trotter has done. He started an organization to support teachers, and he’s willing to publicly debate anyone who disagrees with its stand on discipline in the schools.

If he’s wrong, then all you have to do is prove it in a public forum.

Georgia Thunder

September 3rd, 2009
11:56 am

I have to disagree with you, Dr. Trotter. While I agree that discipline is certainly a factor for some of the issues we face within the school system, it is not ultimate fix for higher achievement and learning. For us to “bend the trend” we have observed over the last decade or so, we must address the bigger issue – the lack of focus on and commitment to excellence that currently exists in Clayton County. There has been plenty of lip service, however.

As I’m sure you are aware, Clayton County has experienced a significant social decline over the last several years and with that, it has impacted the culture, expectations, and success of our school district as well as the broader community. Essentially and more simply put, Clayton County’s leadership and residents perpetuate a culture of excuse, and this has led to district and school staff not behaving as if they truly believe that all students can attain proficiency. Throw in the issue that most of our communities within Clayton County do not have a good understanding of what standards-based education is, and ways in which local organizations and programs can best support their students and the district’s priorities, and you clearly can see how we’ve regressed so much. In a nutshell… No committment to excellence and a lack of sense of urgency about improving student achievement = little chance of success. Address these two things and discipline related issues improve significantly.

Dr. John Trotter

September 3rd, 2009
12:04 pm

Do I detect from the so-called “Clayton Resident” (really a Henry County resident) a note of jealousy? On the other blogs, he are so against socialism and so for capitalism. I make NO apology for offering the teachers “a better mouse-trap.” This is America, and although I do wince when I see monies leave the MACE coffers to go to the State and Federal Governments, I am glad that, unlike GAE and PAGE, we are not “leaches” which, with hat in hand, ask the Governments (both) for special tax priviledges. MACE happily pay texes to both governments. Being free and independent is a wonderful feeling, but feedom and independence are not free, as the saying goes. As someone who served six years on the staff at GAE, I can attest that simply because an organization is classified as a “501(c)3″ (a so-called “non profit”) does not make that organization free from stressing about money and making money its paramount goal. I have personally never asked for a grant or any tax-free status from any governmental agency. That simply is not my thing. I had rather pay taxes.

Yes, MACE, like the NBA, NFL, Sears-Roebuck, The Wall Street Journal, Chick-fll-A, CitiGroup, Wal-Mart, Sheraton Hotel, Bones Restaurant, Beaudry Ford, Time-Warner, Yahoo!, Microsoft, Butch’s Chicken House Restaurant, Applebee’s, Dollar General, Golden Corral, Edmund Heatley’s Contract (should I go on?), and SunTrust Bank, is “for profit.” If MACE were not so good, then teachers would not come. That simple. That’s why when you ride by the MACE Office at nearly mid-night each night, the lights are still burning! Not so at GAE and PACE. For profit, baby! Heedabeedahoohoo! What y’all think about that, Earl and Rev. Bourbon? Jealousy and envy are indeed powerful emotions.

Discipline is key

September 3rd, 2009
12:40 pm

Georgia Thunder, I doubt any one would disagree with the other factors you cite in addition to discipline.

The thing is, the schools can’t change the community. But what the schools can do, is enforce discipline and maintain the integrity of the learning environment while school is in session.

And that means rules and consequences and supporting teachers in holding student’s accountable for those rules and consequences. And that doesn’t mean having an administrator talk about global vision and other such nonsense; it means if a child fails to apply himself and as a result fails the CRCT, the administrator doesn’t kowtow to the parent and promote him anyway. And when the schools start showing that kind of resolve, they community will respond in kind, because they know they have no other choice but to respond in kind.

It’s real simple Georgia Thunder. If you wanted to clean up a trashy neighborhood, would you go in with a bunch a bureaucrats hoping they could get the people to buy into the idea of excellence, or would you go in with code enforcement, and if a warning didn’t suffice, enforce some firm, consistent, and meaningful consequences?

I know what I would want if kudzu was growing over a neighbor’s broken down car in the yard, and I know what I would want if a small group of chronically disruptive children was hijacking my child’s educational opportunities.

Bartenders needed

September 3rd, 2009
12:52 pm

Maybe the good Rev. Jimmy Jack Bourbon will be willing to offer his services to any debate involving Dr. Trotter. Maybe if his detractors had some of that good old fashioned liquid courage, they’d be willing to put their money where their mouth is.

past and present

September 3rd, 2009
1:12 pm

Looks like the Trotter aliases have grown – I see 6 more.

another question for heatley

September 3rd, 2009
3:06 pm

Were the “school improvement specialists” given furloughs? If they weren’t, why should teachers be given a disproportionate amount of the burden for balancing the budget while selected administrators are being protected?

Dr. John Trotter

September 3rd, 2009
3:15 pm

“…he are”? Desculpe. This is what happens when you change from 2nd tense to 3rd tense! Actually, I am ALL of the posters! Boo!

Back to the future past and present

September 3rd, 2009
3:16 pm

Well past and present, if you don’t like what Dr. Trotter is saying, meet him for an open, formal, debate and show the whole world how wrong he is. I hear Rev. Jimmy Jack Bourbon might be on hand to serve up some of that liquid courage the Trotter haters appear to be in need of.

Use responsibly of course.

Rev Billy Bob Whiskey

September 3rd, 2009
6:06 pm

Go curl up in the fetal position. As M.J would say – “remenber the time”. And for those counting – - add another one.

jessy

September 3rd, 2009
7:45 pm

Can’t we all just get along. Please get back to the article as written. Too bad this has been hi-jacked, keeping those with thoughtful comments at bay. Why don’t you guys start your own blog where you can insult and argue at will and let us get back to meaningful dialogue.

Never forget

September 4th, 2009
12:01 am

Clayton school system just inherited refugees from Atlanta Housing Project “Herndon Homes” on Yep, that ole fat confederate sitting on the school system ethics commission just cost the black children of Clayton 44 million dollars of educational funding over bickering amongst the klandestine society and the old BOE about money and contracts; this board is uncle toms. There goes discipline, AYP, CRCT score, ACT, and SAT score. Thanks ole fat men for farther destroying the county! Wow what a costly political move led by Glanton that ole fat confederate! Is he still sitting in board meeting writing on his stomach? Wow!

Clayton Resident

September 4th, 2009
10:39 am

Clayton Resident

September 4th, 2009
10:39 am

thank you jessy for being a voice of reason on this thing!

Dr. John Trotter

September 4th, 2009
10:44 am

“jessy”: By no means allow me to put a lock on you keyboard (no pun intended). Gently place your fingers on the keyboard and peck away. When you are finished, use any finger or thumb and hit the “Submit Comment” icon on the screen. Most of the time, your comments will be posted. If not, just write to Miss Kimberly, and I am sure that she will willingly accomodate you. There. See? It is easy. Despite what anyone else may write, you can still submit your own comments as you so whiningly did a few minutes earlier. It is called a dialogue. Sometimes, it becomes a robust dialogue, but remember, “jessy,” we are blessed to be living in the USA, not North Korea. Our beloved Consitution allows of to disagree, to engage in spirited debates. I have one blogoholic who loves to throw barbs at me under different monikers (hey, you resemble that statement) each day, and this is fine. Matching wits with an anonymous blogger is like taking tootsie rolls from a baby. By his very nature, he (you) are scared because you never want to call me out under his (your) real name. Ahhhhhhhhhh. It’s so nice being free and independent. Eat your heart out. My name is John Trotter, and I glog under this name. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh…how nice.

SynamonSays!

September 4th, 2009
12:30 pm

Absolutely disgusting and an indicator of how the community feels about our children and their education. The parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, community advocates, homeowners, religious leaders, business owners and the rest of the community were ABSENT!

There is an enormous amount of work that has to be done and we must start with the PARENTS. The problem is to drastic for us to accept the excuses, although in many cases valid–such as a working parents–that people give for not showing up! If the parents can not make it, they should send someone to stand in the gap for their children/child.

For more about last night and hear from my guest Mr. Joseph Cunningham of High, Inc, tune into http://www.newroadsvideo.com for SynamonSays…What do you say/ 8pm tonight.

Krista

September 4th, 2009
12:41 pm

Why does he never come to Forest Park High School? We shouldn’t always have to be the forgotten ones.

Dr. John Trotter

September 4th, 2009
12:56 pm

Synamon: Keep up the hard work! I going to try to tune in to your program. Don’t grow weary in your well doing! Tchau, Trotter.

Bob Hartley

September 4th, 2009
1:08 pm

I think a great name for the new school should be named after Truett Cathy. He has dispersed Millions in scholarship money and stands on strong principals and family values. What better way to honor a man who has given so much to the children of the southern crecent?

It's the discipline Stupid!

September 4th, 2009
1:36 pm

And what did Truett Cathy do when he caught those teen vandalizing his house? He insisted on compassion and DISCIPLINE. Real consequences.

Why does a man who sells chicken for a living have more BACKBONE when it comes to discipline than a MARINE?

When is Heatley going to stop acting like a government hack, and step up to the plate like a MARINE and restore discipline?

Rev Billy Bob Whiskey

September 4th, 2009
1:50 pm

In case you did not understand – Mr Trotter. Jessy was politly asking you allow this forum to forward without you. And then you sit there all smug and insult this person. What an ego-maniac you are. You should check back and see I insulted you – not Jessy. Comment on that – or do you have selective amnesia.

Synamon – you are right about the meeting with parents and Dr. Heatley. The parents of CC should be ashamed. I would also ask for you to consider supporting the Splost IV vote – seeing that over 65% of the monies will come from sales at the airport and the fact our schools are still in need of maintenance and refitting.

SynamonSays!

September 4th, 2009
1:54 pm

The fake Trotter blogs have played out. Those of us who truly care about our community are not bamboozled, we know who you are and your day in the community will come. This asininity will no longer stand in Clayton County.

What you deserve

September 4th, 2009
2:10 pm

Not to disrespect the individuals who do try, but until parents, in large numbers, start demanding accountability of Heatley and the current and former teachers who make up the BOE for making it standard operating procedure that administrators start supporting teachers with chronically disruptive students who are destroying the learning environment, there is only one logical conclusion.

ClayCo is getting the substandard school system it RICHLY and FULLY deserves.

Where can I buy tickets?

September 4th, 2009
3:16 pm

Kimberly,

Can you please update us on the number of people who contacted you indicating they are willing to engage Dr. Trotter in a formal debate?

wow

September 4th, 2009
4:02 pm

Dead Poet – is that you? discipline – discipline -discipline. Too bad we cannot discipline the leprechan.

say what?

September 4th, 2009
4:39 pm

What is the disciplinary action for teachers, principals, and administrators NOT having books and syllubi for students four weeks into school? If I had not been a responsible adult and prepared my child with school uniforms, disciplinary action would have been swift and heavy handed.

Tell you WHAT say what?

September 4th, 2009
7:51 pm

Say what? you say if you had not been a responsible adult and prepared my child with school uniforms, disciplinary action would have been swift and heavy handed.

Of course. Because that’s the PSEUDO stand the BOE is taking on discipline. The stand that mulitple studies have PROVEN doesn’t have a significant impact on discipline or academics.

Now when are citizens going to demand a REAL stand, and demand the current and former teachers on the who know FIRST HAND what must be done. Support firm consistent and compelling consequences, and support the teacher in those consequences from the classroom all the way up to the Marine.

Would the Marine tolerate soldiers openly disrespecting their superior officers? Then why is the Marine tolerating students openly disrespecting their teachers, and tolerating administrators not backing up their teachers?

The problem isn’t Trotter, it’s a community that won’t hold its school system accountable for refusing to back its teachers when they try to hold students accountable.

You know this is the truth, and that’s why none of you will step up and agree to debate Trotter; because you know he’ll make you look like a d@mn fool trying to refute what he says is wrong with the system in ClayCo.

Trotter’s not letting YOUR CHILD’S education get jacked up by chronically disruptive students and lack of support for teachers in discipline, CCPS is, and yet not one of you, in over 60 blog responses can point out a single tangible thing the MARINE has done to take a stand on discipline.

You can blame Trotter if you want to, but last time I checked Trotter wasn’t running the school system with the lowest test scores and some of the worst behavior in metro Atlanta, the Marine was.

No the Marine can’t fix test scores overnight but he CAN address discipline, IF he’s willing to stand tall, NOT stand down.

Now let’s see even ONE of you, come on here and make the case we SHOULDN’T address discipline and we SHOULDN’T hold Heatley and the BOE accountable for not doing so.

Face the problem, people!

September 4th, 2009
8:25 pm

Who’s letting your child’s classmate constantly disrupt the learning environment, Trotter or CCPS?

Who’s sending your child’s classmate back from the office with little to no consequences, so he can disrupt all over again, Trotter or CCPS?

Who’s letting your child’s classmate act a fool all year, fail the CRCT, then get promoted over the teacher’s objection, so he can disrupt your child’s learning for yet another entire year, Trotter, or CCPS?

Don’t believe me; ask your own child.

John Stewart

September 5th, 2009
10:38 am

@Tell you WHAT say what?

I quote “Trotter’s not letting YOUR CHILD’S education get jacked up by chronically disruptive students and lack of support for teachers in discipline” You are partially correct in your statement. Trotter has been firm on his stance on discipline but his foray into the backroom dealings of the politics of former board members and various other political figures in the county have hurt our kids even the more so. How soon do some in Clayco catch amnesia.

Viva Brazil!!!!

No ObamaCare (I'm Rich)

September 6th, 2009
11:32 am

Plutocracy = governance by wealthy, or a wealthy social class that controls or greatly influences the governments of a society!

Obama's Waterloo

September 6th, 2009
11:36 am

The AJC reported earlier this year that the chicken man profited from the schools illegally. The FED’s threaten to take school funds. Remember!

Obama's Waterloo

September 6th, 2009
2:44 pm

The only “Difference” between Thompson and Heatley is “Installation”; Thompson was black installed Heatley is white installed!

Tell you WHAT say what?

September 6th, 2009
7:34 pm

John Stewart,

You didn’t really just suggest that the personal petty squabbles of the former board have more of a direct, tangible impact on the day to day instruction of students in CCPS classrooms, than students who chronically disrupt the learning environment, only to have administrators turn a blind eye to their behavior and march them back to class time after time with little to no consequences?

The former board is gone John Stewart. The chronically disruptive students, and the lack of consequences for them remain.

And you want to give the current and former teachers who make up the BOE, and know first hand the importance of supporting the teacher in discipline a free pass on their lack of leadership by blaming Trotter instead?

You want to give Heatley “the Marine” a free pass on his lack of leadership on the issue by blaming Trotter instead?

Who is having a direct, tangible, and detrimental effect on the lack of support for the classroom teacher in discipline right now John Stewart? The BOE and Heatley, or Trotter?

Please!

September 7th, 2009
7:54 am

Obama’s Waterloo

Still trying to ride that race wagon huh? Try another county! Does not work here anymore. You are too late!

not ole an fat

September 7th, 2009
8:49 am

I don’t think I’ve ever encountered such coherent, concise, cogent comments. We all
should know by now that we should…tell master heatley about inherited refugees from “Herndon Homes” on Yep; the ole fat confederate that cost the black children of Clayton; and the klandestine society. cawse we know this board is uncle toms. Ats perty much eeit in a nut sherl.

not ole an fat

September 7th, 2009
8:50 am

I fergot. Whut about increase rigor and decress grade inflation?

Credentials

September 7th, 2009
3:04 pm

Very light attendance at superintendent forum! The major of the population have realized that the accreditation crisis was a farce in light of CRCT cheating and Cobb county 57 illegal meeting. Chauvinism

Spam

September 7th, 2009
3:15 pm

I agree with you Credentials, Metro area CRCT cheating and Cobb county 57 illegal meetings and “NO SACS” intervention. Wow!

Different Day, Same Song

September 7th, 2009
3:28 pm

What I would ask of the new superintendent is WHY we have all these “coaches” and “specialists?” Most of them are “newcomers,” have little in the way of actual classroom experience, and cruise the schools nitpicking at the teachers. I’m not letting teachers off easy either. Many of those newcomers can’t even speak or write with proper grammar, and that includes administrators also. Veteran teachers are the ones working their butts off to keep what’s left of this school system afloat.

Angel

September 7th, 2009
7:19 pm

Very light attendance at superintendent forum! The majority of the population have realized that the accreditation crisis was a farce in light of CRCT cheating and Cobb county 57 illegal meeting and “NO SACS” intervention. Wow!. Chauvinism! What was we thinking!

Tonya

September 7th, 2009
9:33 pm

First of all the great superintendent has not introduced himself to the teachers of Clayton County yet. He has not thanked us for continuing to support Clayton County in light of the many problems that this county has. Secondly, the administrators in Clayton County need to be evaluated twice a year just as teachers are. Why should they be allowed to terrorize and berate teachers like they do? Most of them cannot teach a class if their lives depended on it. They never offer assistance or constructive criticism, just criticism. What the crap is a graduation coach and why are they needed in middle school? Why do you need Literacy Coaches and Math Coaches? Why not hire an assistant principal who oversees the curriculum? These are positions that can be eliminated and the money can be used for something better-like teachers’ salaries. Why don’t teachers attend GSU or the other universities in Georgia for advanced degrees? Could it be that it is too hard for them? Maybe the state needs to move toward merit pay instead of paying for degrees. An ED.D does not make one a great teacher, just a paid teacher. No wonder Georgia is always at the bottom of the totem pole. They don’t appreciate exemplary teachers. Wow!!! Headed back north. Had enough of this right-to-work backwoods state. Teachers, you are blessed to have someone in your corner like John Trotter.

Tonya

September 7th, 2009
9:34 pm

Please!

September 7th, 2009
10:22 pm

Looks like Trotter marched all his “for profit union” members in here to post today.

BB

September 8th, 2009
5:53 pm

Nice to see Tonya agrees with herself.

sicak film

October 10th, 2009
11:41 am

CCPS, by any objective measure, has been a complete, total, utter, abject, abysmal failure, and what is Heatley’s response? To “go global” in vision. CCPS can’t even remotely, with the exception of the Jonesboro High Mock Trial team and other tube34.net individual exceptions, compete locally, and yet Heatley says he’s going to “go global”?

Does he also think if you call ground chuck filet mignon it will suddenly taste better? Or does he just hope the citizens of ClayCo are gullible enough, as they have been in the past, to buy his snake oil, because it’s imported from out of town?