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At a time when most would prefer to see taxes lowered, Clayton residents showed up at last week’s public hearing to let our Board of Commissioners know that they support a property tax increase. This came on the heels of a joint statement issued by four of the five commissioners’ to vote against a 2010 budget that includes layoffs and furloughs of county employees.

Our current base millage rate is 13.453 mils, one of the lowest in the metro Atlanta area. It is speculated that the millage rate needs to be raised at least three mills in order to maintain the status quo. Anything less and we could suffer the same fate Atlanta has – loss of services via layoffs and furloughs of county employees. And even if furloughs were implemented, the revenue saved would not be enough – Clayton residents would still lose public safety services. It is estimated that each household could end up paying $100-$150 more in taxes under a three mill increase.

While all in attendance agreed raising taxes to preserve fire, police and sheriff services is a no brainer, the room divided on C-TRAN service. Discontinuing C-TRAN could save the county about $8 million tax dollars, but would inconvenience residents who rely on public transportation.

If you were unable to attend last week’s public hearing, there is an online survey available to voice your opinion to the BOC. The 2010 budget will be voted on at the June 30 meeting in the Commissioners’ Boardroom at 112 Smith Street, Jonesboro. Your thoughts?

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Huh?

June 29th, 2009
9:23 am

Raise property taxes, hopefully that will begin to raise the bar around here on other levels. It’s time.

oldtimer

June 29th, 2009
11:11 am

Along with raising taxes, cuts must be made. I am sure there are places where cuts can be made, that would not affect police and fire services. All government offices have places cuts can be made.

I need C-Tran!

June 29th, 2009
12:08 pm

Please don’t cut C-Tran, that’s my only way to get around!.

Sgt Rock

June 29th, 2009
1:48 pm

This is a very difficult decision to make and has been in the making for many decades.

I fully understand the need to raise taxes. I also understand the need to retain C-TRAN and yes, as Oldtimer states, there has to be area’s for savings.

Citizens would be a great part of the Budget process. I have long found that the more brains you wrap around an issue, more creative and smarter idea’s bubble to the surface. Larry O’Keefe and others were proper to point out the lack of information available to the People. The Budget was published two weeks ago and available in the library. Its format is unreadable even if one was a CPA. In the age of the internet, how easy would it have been to post this budget online in a timely manner and then allow for a civil discourse with the People. I would venture to say that there would have been many great idea’s brought forth from the Citizens.

Raising taxes is a must. We must keep pace as a County to pay for labor, goods and services. This hasn’t been done by previous Commissions and now is the time to “pay the piper”. Prices are never stagnant. To leave taxes that pay for these services stagnant is a disservice. It is safe to say this policy was kept in place for politico’s to get reelected. Now the hard decision is upon us. I truly believe the answer is to make up for lost years. The significant 3 mil increase proposed is actually more psychological than substantive. Had taxes been raised over the years in a slow and steady methodology, we would have been at this juncture many years ago.

C-TRAN serves only a few people in the community and for those fellow citizens it is a lifeline. The Para-transit service of C-TRAN is critical for even fewer of our fellow citizens and performs admirably. Here’s the rub: C-TRAN loses the County 7-8 Million dollars annually. Looking at it as a pure business case and removing emotion, C-TRAN is neither profitable or sustainable in it’s present form. C-TRAN will require either a significant restructuring to make it at least a break even venture or be removed. I think the later is the only viable option at this time. I truly feel for the few citizens it serves as for them, it’s a necessity. For all taxpayers however, it’s a bust.

The Board of Commissioners will vote Tuesday evening for several amendments to the proposed budget. If the choice is between Public Safety and Public Transportation…Public Safety takes precedence.

For the many naysayers that advocate cutting essential services, this County has been cut to the bone many years ago. County employees are grossly underpaid and that they don’t deserve. The Sheriff’s Dept needs a Corrections Officer. The pay is $35,543. That is $14.43 net…far from being overpaid. An Asst. District Attorney’s position is also posted at $52,893. That’s $20.85 net. (The average salary for an attorney out of college in the private sector is $63,646). It is tragic that these men and women work for sub-par wages for an often ungrateful citizenry. Working for such low remunerations is a true testimony of professionalism and dedication.

We are in a crisis. Some will define it in other words, like recession or downturn, but the actions we as a people and a government take over the next few days will shape our County for the next decade.

I believe the Commissioners will do the right thing. But once the right thing is done it’s up to the People to be vigilant AND roll up their sleeves to offer solutions.

Sunshine

June 29th, 2009
4:27 pm

If we can’t fund and pay for C-tran, how can we afford commuter rail?

Me

June 29th, 2009
5:42 pm

(((If we can’t fund and pay for C-tran, how can we afford commuter rail?)))

There is a very big difference in the two. I would ride commuter rail, but would never ride CTRAN. CTRAN routes are through run down areas of low income, crime ridden areas.

Clandestine

June 29th, 2009
6:01 pm

No More Tax Increases! Found the money we’ve already paid into the SPLOST and how is Hartfield Airport money is spent!

matabla

June 29th, 2009
7:54 pm

Tell me why we would even consider a tax increase when the Board of Education takes 100 people to Callaway Gardens to play golf, drink, and dance on the tax payers dime. If you don’t think this happend, jsut ask. Thae

Sgt Rock

June 29th, 2009
10:34 pm

Clandestine, SLOST monies are for Capital Budget items and programs for specific projects. SPLOST can’t be used for O&M (Operations and Maintenance) budgetary items.

The Hartsfield cash cow is all but gone. The majority of revenue derived from Hartsfield came from tax’s levied on the rental Car Company’s which were located on the Clayton County portion of the airport land. Due to construction and redesign of the airport that has occured in the past several years, those rental companies have been moved from Clayton County land to Fulton County land. Fulton County is now receiving the tax money generated by the rental vehicle market. BTW, the venues inside of Hartsfield reside in Fulton County as well. Very little revenue is received by Clayton County from Hartsfield.

Deborah ybarra

June 30th, 2009
12:01 am

ok here we go again. Wanting money from home owners. Well there are not many of us left. With all the foreclosures. Why not do a sales tax that way everyone pays for the difference not just the homeowners.

Well i guess they willnot do that. Wow if this happens and it raises our taxes by an average of 200-250 a year plus with us losing the HTRG from the Governor which is also at least a 225.00 tack on to our bill. So now we are looking at maybe an average of 425.00 to 500.00 a year. That is about 41.00 a month. So we all have to rearrange our bills every month so we can keep people working.

Well why have a furlough. They keep adding people. So if we are hurting why are we hiring high dollar people.

With the people in clayton county topping the unemplyment rate at its highest and you want to raise millege rate. People are losing thier home, Jobs, Trynig to live on what little they have. No jobs, nothing easy to get to, Prices high.

So i see the plan. Like i say if they (the Top dollar pay people in the county and take a 3% cut then maybe we can save us) But no lets keep our top dollar pay people and raise our taxes on our home until we cannot afford them. We move out now the county gets the full dollar amount on the taxes from the bank or whoever has it until sold again. No homestead exemption is on a home to give discounts until someone moves in it.. Wow win, win for them. So they keep their high dollar pay, We lose our homes and community. This just doesn’t seem to weigh out to me.

I think countyemployees need to count their blessings and take a cut because if they lose their jobs then there will be no money.

no excuses just results

June 30th, 2009
11:20 am

You people go ahead and vote for the c-tran to be discontinue. Then when these people cannot get to work because they cannot afford a car and they become homesless adn we willhave to fund 100% then you will be crying more. The increase of crime and homeless happen. Then what. When people cannot get to the stores because the ones that were open for years are now closed so the nearest grocery store is 2 miles or more away. So when they have no way to work no way to get food to feed the family then they will be robbing the neighbors to survive so go ahead it will cause crime to increase.

Hmmm ...

June 30th, 2009
11:35 am

Maybe we’ll get lucky & they’ll just move back to Atlanta where most of them came from and taking their b.s. with them! Now those are results I could live with!

Sunshine

June 30th, 2009
12:13 pm

To: Me
The question is not which one you prefer to use. The question is affordablity. Check out the cost and see if the ridership will support the cost, or you the taxpayer.

Peggy Sue Davis

June 30th, 2009
1:28 pm

Cut Marta! We (homeowners) never wanted it anyway! Those who rely on Marta (the ‘element’) will move back to ATLANTA.
Hooray!

Tman

June 30th, 2009
1:35 pm

We have folk’s on this blog who really think that the Tax rate should NOT be raised. They want and will live in the worst part of USA just so they don’t pay taxes. The county is slowly going down in some places and up in others. Police and Firefighters are much needed services you do not want to cut. Sales tax idea is a good one. With more reneters and less home owners it would generate more money.

no excuses just results

June 30th, 2009
2:10 pm

Hmmmm…
Just like always comments that are nothing but air. You know that even in your best dreams people are not going to move back to atlanta. If they don’t have money to drive a car how in the hell do you think they will move. No they become homeless squatters that now the community and county will have to deal with. Please come up with ideas that will help not just blow hole nonsence that only makes your mind happy when you say it.

raja

June 30th, 2009
3:31 pm

I vote NO for C-Tran. If so many people need C-tran why is it losing
so much money? Because the need is not there to support the cost. So some people may need a bus system but not enough people are using C-Tran to justify keeping it.

Hmmm ...

June 30th, 2009
3:50 pm

The city of Atlanta has a perfectly good bus and rail system. Hint hint.

Concerned Citizen

June 30th, 2009
4:02 pm

The problem with our public transportation system (sic) is Georgia is one the few states (and the only one does not subsidize a major metropolitan area’s public transportation system) That does not provide state funding. The dumb, backward redneck hicks at the gold dome have not figured out yet as goes metro Atlanta, so goes the state. C-Tran will SAVE money over the long haul once we get all the self serving clayton politicos un elected. Taxes will have to raised but with a sales tax, not property taxes! It’s unfair to ask the few remaining homeowners to burden the lion’s share. The library should charge $10 per year for a library card. The Tag office should put ATM’s in the lobby and charge $2.50 per transaction. Clayton should tack on hefty impact fees on all futeure development. Don’t raise fees on business licence, this will drive away business owners. Use Tax allocation districts to funnel money into certain areas. Give tax incentives to employers who employ over 200 employers to move into Clayton County. Theie sales tax spending will offset any business tax savings. Start thinking forward and in a progressive fashion. This crisis can be fixed but not as long as we have certified goobers in elected offices.

Elected Goober

June 30th, 2009
8:09 pm

Taxing an already “Denigrated Community” will not fair well with the masses. Consternation about political transparency has created an “Existential Crisis.” Common-sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. The county commission should just furlough those employees that live outside the county. Yes, we know who they are! Seriously now! We are shouldering the burden of the county shortfall — we pay OUR taxes, which pay YOUR salary….no money…no jobs… Higher taxes will just make anyone who was going to move here think thrice. Stupendous media coverage over the last year self-imposed by the plutocrats caused this condition! CCBOC deed this, “The wise man learns more from the fool than the fool learns from the wise man. 2008 political meltdown portend current albatross.

no excuses just results

June 30th, 2009
8:24 pm

So now we have a milege hike in school, now they want one for the county and the HTRG is gone wow they grabbed our money without us looking so now our tax bill will be about another 750.00 a year. I hope everyone is happy. So with about 55,000 homes in the county at an increase on the average of 750.00 per home with a bottom line of 41,250,000.00. Ok now with all of the county gonig down hill and it is not because we have no money it is because money is spent unwisely. So now tell me what i get for this. Filthy road sides, No sidewalks, No local grocery stores, Abandon buildings, stores where you get robbed with no cameras, home boarded up, Rat, snakes, grass up to the roofs. police that ride in their cars with no seat belts on smoking in the car and talking on the cell phone. My county money hard at work. Homes get broke into and the police do not follow up or do finger or foot prints. ect ect so unitl we get a handle on what we have, we need no more to give to them. Show me where i get all this safety, I have to call and call to get a response. So someone please show me where, anywhere here in this county that i can see a vital improvment that is worth any increase. You don;t even have to show me just guide me to the place. I do not mean to pin point a local area like lovejoy or ellenwood. Because the county is more than two areas so until i see some for as a whole that is helpful to the whole community i say no to taxes. All the people that want taxes raised to see nothing for it then you pay for us all. If i want to give my money away for nothing then i will burn it in my back yard.

All About Accountability

June 30th, 2009
8:36 pm

I think most people would agree that the Clayton County Commission needs to increase taxes. The question is by how much. I support a modest increase, but I also think that furloughs for all employees — except for fire, police and corrections/deputies — should be implemented. Most of us who pay taxes have not received pay increases with our own jobs and others have been furloughed. My pay was reduced 5 percent; and I have not received a pay increase in two years. I pay tuition for my children (who don’t attend public schools), take care of my family and don’t rely on many county services. In fact, on the two occasions I’ve had to call the police, they never showed up and on the three occasions I’ve had to call Animal Control, they never came. Yet, I pay my taxes every year, without complaint. Clayton County government and Clayton County Schools must be held accountability, especially with any increase in taxes. We’ve done a poor job historically of holding folks’ feet to the fire, but that MUST end.

Concerned Citizen

June 30th, 2009
10:09 pm

Why would you want to take more of my hard earned money in the midst of this recession? My hard earned money is hard enough to earn in the first place. I voted for the last Splost and the one before that! What happened to that money? Why can’t I log on somewhere and compare what was spent as opposed to what was raised? Why can’t I have a simple line item budget that is user friendly? Why can’t the BOC spend more than Six days to study the budget and factor in community input? Why are the county vendors cloaked in secrecy?Why can’t county contract amounts be posted online?

This commission has the nerve to reach into my pocket and take MORE of my money? They have done a piss poor job in the first place with our money. They have lined their pockets, received new cars, paid off their homes, refurbished their homes while not working full time! Come on people, put two and two together! This Commission should be indicted for the way they have handled our hard earned money!

DOT employee

July 1st, 2009
10:40 am

To Sunshine,

The commuter rail is not being paid for by the county. It is coming from state and federal funds.

Oh please

July 1st, 2009
10:50 am

Now that he’s gone, no one seems to remember who has really caused this huge budget shortfall, Victor Hill. The county employees shouldn’t be punished because the voters made a bad choice. Yes, things are bad all around, but cutting services will make things far worse. Is Clayton County just an example of society’s dissent into anarchy? My office is on furloughs and I can tell you that when someone is out, it triples my workload. Think about all the possible ramifications of the situation before wagging your fingers at the county employees. If there was a possibility for your employer to find any other way to avoid affecting you while reconciling their budget, you would want them to explore every avenue too.

oldtimer

July 1st, 2009
10:55 am

What the county does not get, raised utility costs because of cap and trade will get. Utility costs should double with in the next two years.(CBO) You will have to reroof your house to meet energy standards to sell it.(One of the admendments) We should be reading this bill. Since none of our congressional representatives have. The bill is 1200 pages of regulations and new laws. They will all cost us money. By they way; What is a “Central Procurement State?” One of the regulations…….

Sgt Rock

July 1st, 2009
12:29 pm

DOT Employee, you are essentially correct however the published study states that Operating Costs are to be $44.36 million voer a six year period and over the same period Fare Icome will be $17.76 million dollars realizing a Net loss of $26.58 million dollars. http://www.claytoncountyga.us/pdfs/grpp_commuter_rail_startup.pdf

At he last “go around” Clayton County voted to pony-up $4 million dollars or the Peoples money towards Operation (the only county through which the rail runs to do so). http://www.richardbowers.com/Articles/AJC/2005/november/Terminal_Planned_for_Gulch.pdf

Regardless of the funding source, be it Federal, State or Local…it is the Peoples money, not governments money. If commuter rail was such an advantage and so compelling a marketable commodity, private enterprise would have already established it BUT the mathimatics clearly show it will be a perennial money loser (as is AMTRAK). No enterprise except for Government, would be inept enough to fund this.

SA

July 1st, 2009
3:33 pm

I’m all in on the poker hand that says even with a large tax increase and C-Tran gone, Clayton County continues to suffer significantly. It’s like adding more weight to an already crumbling foundation. You will never retain the most important people you need – middle to upper middle class constituents – unless you provide something in return they can benefit from. Schools, safety, home value. The opposite has been happening for awhile and they are being driven away. What does that leave you with? You can expect more of the same so long as things remain the same.

no excuses just results

July 1st, 2009
3:43 pm

Furloughs are a temp thing, If the ecomony comes back. Now as you said if our employers could find away not to hurt their employees we wuld want that. Yes you are right. But the difference here is that if a company is failing they really look at what has to go. Not raise prices to the point where you lose business and or customers depending what business you are in. If not then the company is lost.

So if you think it is okay to raise taxes to keep your job and make it easier because you will not have to do a triple load then you are crazy. Take a punch inthe gut like the rest of us. I am not going to take from me and my family so you and your can live better. Hell the world is full of umemployed people i am sure someone would come in and do it for less. So now that the county is saturated with people out of work you need to be careful. Because if the word gets out that people can and will work for less then guess what then you may not have a job.

So no it does not hurt to cut back or to hold your income with no raise. The rest of the county and country does it. So what makes you any different because you work for the county. I don’t think so.

The county workers here need to understand without us you don’t get paid. So as taxes go up and our pay does not then someone will end up S.O.L You the county workers because you didn’t want to live on a little less like the rest of us you better count your blessings

Peggy Sue Davis

July 2nd, 2009
10:09 am

SA I agree 100%.

Until the ‘flight’ and ‘brain drain’ reverses, Clayton is without hope.

Pretty soon you will have rich white celebrities ascending upon Clayton County looking to adopt. LOL!

Luke

July 2nd, 2009
9:00 pm

Clayton County governmental model needs to be revamped from the ground up! Get rid of crooks like Glanton, Salaam and Bell and then maybe things will get better?

Black Woman In Clayco

July 3rd, 2009
8:36 am

While I don’t use Ctran and wouldn’t miss it if it were gone, there are people who depend on it. I’ll take the tax increase as much as that hurts to say.

TC

July 3rd, 2009
10:21 am

We don’t need CTRAN. For those who must have transportation, the county could use small shuttle buses for elderly, disabled, etc.. Much cheaper than CTRAN.

taylor

July 3rd, 2009
12:46 pm

If people need c-tran let them raise fares to make up the 8 million.
I dont ride it and shouldnt have to pay for it.

My quality of life in clayton has only gotten worse since marta/ctran came here anyway ..raise taxes and you will have one less hard working tax paying resident in clayton county..that is a promise!

alan

July 3rd, 2009
12:48 pm

Clayton County did fine for many-many years before c-tran got here and we will do fine if they leave.

alan

July 3rd, 2009
12:52 pm

I’m ready to move out of this melting pot called clayton county anyway. go ahead and raise taxes and that’s all the incintive I will need.

above I said clayton did fine before c-tran, I should have said it was a much better place to live before c-tran infested us

alan

July 3rd, 2009
12:54 pm

We should all have a vote and a say in the matter.

I vote no more c-tran

C-Tran Head

July 3rd, 2009
4:22 pm

Taxes, Taxes, Taxes!!! The people that run the county and those behind the scene the really run it hands are dirty from running a cycle of dilapidated style of government. Diaspora well get much worst, before it gets better. Not in you guys lifetime, so you’re wasting your time talking about it!!! Xenophobia! Truth is Truth! Nuff said!

You Have Got to Be Kidding

July 4th, 2009
4:18 pm

It saddens me that all you good Christians talk about the working poor as if they are dirt. There are people who need and use CTran on a daily basis. They need to service to continue to contribute to their livelihood. CTran needs to be looked at and better managed, but you cannot penalize those that need it. But of course no one will understand that until you lose your job, get evicted from your home and end up homeless. Then all of sudden you will find out who your real friends are…

Boar Killer

July 4th, 2009
4:49 pm

Happy Fourth of July!! Big Swine on the Grill! Big Swine running Clayton County!!!

Rev. Jimmy Jack Bourbon

July 5th, 2009
12:25 pm

Carl Rhodenizer pushed for C-Tran (or local Marta or whatever you want to call it). At the time, I kept wondering why Carl was pushing to destroy Clayton County. Was he pandering for a few votes? With MARTA comes crime.

Yes, there will continute to be a brain drain away from the Clayton County population in general and the school system in particular. Will Clayton rise again? Yes, just like East Lake rose again. When the property values plummet so low, then the developers will come in and buy a lot of land (with assurances from the commissioners that friendly zoning awaits them). Expensive high-rise condos will line Riverdale Road as well as the upper part of Tara Boulevard and Forest (erh, Bill Lee) Parkway. Clayton will be enviable because of its proximity to the Airport and Downtown Atlanta.

Currently, we have already entered into the Dark Ages of Claytonic history. It was almost unavoidable, especially with the current leadership (e.g., Bell, Anderson, Glanton). Where were these three “leaders” just five or six years ago? Think about this. Where were Eldrin Bell, Alieka Anderson, and Michael Glanton just five or six years ago? It is not like they each had an epihanous vision and remarkably received leadership skills from on high. No, they just are not leaders. In their minds, they may see themselves as leaders, but they are only pseudo-leaders. Gwinnett, Fulton, Cobb, et al., would all be in much worse shape than they are in now if they had Bell, Anderson, and Glanton as their “leaders.” Yes, Clayton County will unfortunately remain in the Dark Ages for the next 15 to 25 years. This is a fact, Jack. Get used to it.

The school system will become even worse under Sergeant Edmond Heatley. He will come to town with his whip and sword, thinking that he can whip the school system in line. He will fail. He will become a complete and dismal failure, and Alieka Anderson and Friends will look even more silly and incompetent that they did not either keep Dr. Valya Lee or recruit Dr. Sam King to come “home.”

Eldrin will try to hang onto his Top Commish job as long as he can walk. He is getting on up there in age, and if he runs again and stays for a full term, he would be over 80 years of age, still singing in the churches and flashing those green eyes at the fainting ladies — older and younger alike.

The hospital, if it remains open, will likely become the “Southside Grady,” despite the valiant efforts of Ron Dodsen and his friends. Hopefully, it will at least go the way of the South Fulton Hospital. The “River’s Edge” golf course in the southern part of the County is apparently teetering on the edge of disaster. We wonder how long the Lake Spivey “Golf Club” will remain viable. Ronnie Thornton got rid of his “Dancing Waters” and Tara Field right on time, it now appears. Clayton County…no golf courses…no real museums…no country clubs…and it still tries to sell itself as the Home of Gone With the Wind? This is somewhat laughable, if not so sad. “The Road to Tara”? You see these signs on Interstate 75. This is embarrassing. There is not a single beautiful white-columned mansion in the entire county. Have you been to Macon or Athens? Statley Oaks? It is pitiful, and even this little pitiful house had to be shipped to its current location. Clayton County never was the home of plantations, and this is O. K., but the County should quit billing itself as the home of a fictitious “Tara.” It would be better to simply sell our location…”Clayton County…Home of the World’s Busiest Airport!”

Gotta run for now. The good Deacons have just finished taking up the Tithes & Offerings, and it’s now time for me to give’em their money’s worth. The sermon? “God Loves Liquor Store Folks!”

TC

July 6th, 2009
8:29 am

John Trotter still alive I see. Pretty slick the way you slipped Anderson’s, and Heatley’s name in your little rant. You need to go ahead and become a real preacher, because your phony, for profit union(chocking laughing), is slipping away quickly.

Oh please

July 7th, 2009
9:08 am

First off, I never said that I worked for the county. I have worked for the county, but at present, I work for the state. Quite frankly, I found your post difficult to read, but I gather that you believe that services should be cut so that you can save a PERCENTAGE less on a tax bill that you already have to pay. In the meantime, let’s just sit around with our fingers crossed and hope that nothing bad happens. Did you honestly think that taxpayers weren’t going to have to be responsible for Victor Hill’s flagrant disregard of his authority while in office? I never voted for him myself, but even I could see the writing on the wall. I would rather pay more than endanger lives because police, fire, and emergency personnel are over-worked and under-appreciated.

hthrmrtn

July 8th, 2009
9:37 am

In the end the same crooks that mis managed and spent the tax payers money and then blamed the financial officer for when they came a shortfall will end up short again and you will suffer. They skimmed the money they blew the money whatever it never changes until the GBI gets involves and takes over. I thought Clayton County had one of the highest foreclosure rates in the state? Folks are leaving their houses vacant to flee the county because no one in their right mind will come live there.

The folks that might think about buying your house can not get the credit they need to purchase it yet they appraise your house 160k to up my taxes to over 1200 last year when they know darn well it was on the market for two years and no one wanted it. We could not even sell it for 49k?

You pay taxes for a broken down school system that is in no immediate future repair of being fixed.

You have crime every day they stopped reporting on it . When a person gets shot purchasing pizza and who knows what else goes unreported because the cops do not have time to come to your aid. They are too busy with the other 100 calls they get about folks shooting each other.

Bus or no bus this is not the issue. Someone needs to be held accountable for the spending of the county not the crooks folks elected. Until people stand up and take back their county good folks that can pay the property taxes will leave and the rest of us who refuse to pay anymore would rather foreclose their house than watch CC get another dime. Shame but sometimes ruining your credit rating is a small price to finally be free of Clayon County.

ShockWave

July 11th, 2009
10:56 pm

My Problem is that I have is with the Clayton County Chief of Staff that is Double Dipping because his is holding 2 (two) Jobs at the same time,and also that he gave himself a 50,000 or more raise when everyone else in the County is hurting and the County Commissioners raising our Taxes. The Chief of Staff Job was not just thrown on the Fire Chief as he accepted it of his own free will, as this was Wade Starr thought and plan because even now Wade Starr holds about 5 to 6 differant positions in Clayton County Government and also Double Dipping because they are both wanting POWER AND MONEY.

When the Chief of Staff position was made that took all the power away from Bell because the duties of the Chief of Staff is to be the County Admin as he hires and fires employees so when something goes wrong most of the people tries to put all the blame on Bell and that is not right as it should fall totally on the Chief of Staff.

All they are doing is wasting more of our tax money and raising our taxes they all need to go all the Commissioners, Chief of Staff I believe Clayton County needs a Cleaning Out.

when will it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to Scream

July 13th, 2009
10:05 pm

why do we have him anyway. We voted for bell. He already get over $80,000 a year to do this work why anyone else. Who in the hell voted him in anyway. I didn’t and if i want the county spending my money on people I better vote him in if it someone that is doing bells job. If not he needs to move on. Yes you are right Shockwave raising our taxes so they can live fat and happy. Screw that. We as peple need to demand that he be removed or if he wants the job so bad then he need s to do it for free. I thought you loved this county so much chief. So does wade starr. All this money to people that do not deserve it. Hell i might as well join the mafia.

Shut the county down. Stop paying taxes. We can freeze them we just have to work together.

Jean

July 15th, 2009
12:21 pm

get rid of c-tran since we had it nothing but problems arised extra outof towners have too much of an access, for crime. Taxes do not need to go up already homeowners are paying for houses that are not worth it the taxes are more than houses are worth,it is just not fair. If there need to be furloughs well you can with out the police and fire. the other no gooders can go. especially the board that is so crazy when it comes to education.

Derek

July 19th, 2009
8:54 am

AXE C-TRAN, at least for the majority of the county. 90% of the time the buses are empty, sit at certain stops , engine running, leaking oil (at the closed “On the Border” on Mt. Zion RD and Pkwy) all over the road, and losing money left and right. A Bus line brings crime to neighborhoods previously upstanding, quiet and prosperous, It may be necessary for the apartment section 8 ridden north Riverdale or north Forest Park areas, but spending county money on the non-productive and non-taxpayers will only drive your tax base away, ie; businesses and productive members of the community. Also raising taxes on people who are already on the verge of failure or considering a move from CC, would only further the problem. When a private citizen has a decrease in revenue, he has to sacrifice and reduce his spending, CC and other goverment agenecies should do likewise!!!

Derek

July 19th, 2009
9:08 am

SGT ROCK; most of your ideas seem well thought out, however other than Thrifty moving out, most of the rest of the major car rental companies are where they have always been (for now). Also the majority of the airport from the almost all of the the main concourse, and all of the other concourses (where the venues are located) all the way out to terminal E, even the new international concourse under construction, are entirely within Clayton County. I’m not sure what deal was made in the past with the City of Atlanta, but CC got screwed!!! By the way if you don’t believe me, here’s a link with the counties boundaries (airport is transposed on the top left).

http://www.co.clayton.ga.us/IT/GISMapRoom/HighResolution/CountyBaseMap.pdf

KimWhit

July 19th, 2009
12:10 pm

First, get rid of Eldrin Bell. There will be no progress in this county as long as he is seated. Once Bell is gone, substantially increase taxes for all NON HOMESTEAD property owners and put a cap on the percentage of Section 8 and investor saturation going forward. Audit anyone who is claiming homestead exemption in order to flush out property tax cheats. Effectively make it unprofitable to own investment property here and flush out all of the slumlords and slum tenants. The problem with this county is lack of pride of ownership. The investors greatly outnumber the homeowners so why are we surprised to find ourselves living in a giant housing project? Renters and investors don’t care about the health of Clayton County because they don’t have a stake her. They should be made to pay an impact fee for what many of their tenants have done to our school system and the general health of our county.

Realistically, the county should purchase some of these vacant houses from the mortgage companies at a deep discount and offer the property to the adjacent homeowners (not investment property owners) for the amount of the property taxes. My husband and I have been paying to have the grass cut at adjacent vacant properties in our subdivision because we know that vacant houses attract crime. We will never be reimbursed for our efforts. We also know that these properties will be purchased by investors who will rent the houses out and the downhill spiral will continue.

Will any decent individual step up and run for commissioner?