Gun-packing Atlanta air travelers land in jail

Meli:

You are an Idiot.

Machine Guns are Legal Georgia as are Virtually ALL other Firearms.

I also Bet that You also have no Idea that United States Federal Law and Georgia Law BOTH Allow Firearms in The Airport, provided; that Firearms that Enter into The Concourse have to be Checked as Luggage Pursuant to Federal Law,

The United States Federal Government Controls ONLY that Portion of The Airport which is known as The Concourse, but Georgia Law Controls The Terminals and The Parking Lot.

Carrying a Weapon or a Long Gun in an Unauthorized Location DOES NOT Include Firearms at Airports, because The Legislature Authorized Firearms on Public Transportation Terminals under Georgia Code 16-11-126(g), BUT The Code Section is Used when a Person Enters into that Portion of The Airport with a Firearm or a Weapon, which is ‘Restricted’ (The Concourses) by Federal Law.

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I have no issue with people checking unloaded weapons but under no circumstances should weapons be allowed in carry on bags in a commercial flight.

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Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people. I hope Georgia’s carry law – and all others like it – is repealed or overturned. The right to bear arms has been affirmed by the Supreme Court, so you are allowed to. But keep them at home, locked away from your kids, and don’t take them somewhere that you can shoot me. I’m not armed!

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Carrying a gun requires you to not forget you have it on your person.

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Taking a gun to an airport that clearly does not allow guns is selfish. When individuals make the decision to pack a gun into their carryon luggage, and when they are caught, they divert resources away from agencies that are actually charged with providing a safe travel experience: the TSA and the local police.

If a traveler wants to carry a gun, purportedly it is not for use in a safe airport, but instead for use at their end destination. Here’s a simple, and unselfish solution: ship the gun (unloaded, of course), and, if shipping the ammunition is illegal, simply buy some when you arrive at your destination. More complex, yes; selfish, no.

According to accepted economic theory, we all act in accord with individual greatest utility. If that is true, and within reason, it seems to be, then an incentive needs to be applied to prevent increasing numbers of guns showing up at checkpoints. Alternatives include, as Meli indicated, real prison time, or stiff fines. I think stiff, very stiff, fines are the right approach.

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Anonymous

Why carry a gun to the Airport anyway, just because you can? That’s exactly what’s wrong with society today. I will do this and that, because I can, that get’s people in a lot of trouble.

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Hey dar, it’s sort of difficult to check a firearm if you don’t first bring it into the airport. Duh!

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Hell no no guns on the plane please . What in the hell for

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It only makes sens that small caliber Hand guns say up to and including 45 caliber and sawed off shot guns should be allowed on planes to handle unruly Attendants or Pilots.

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The only travelers who should carry guns on a commercial aircraft are air marshals.

If you are too stupid and careless to remember that you have a lethal weapon in your carryon, you are too stupid and careless to own one.

However, I’d rather not pay to imprison such stupid and careless people. Unless there is any reason to believe that the gun was being brought on board on purpose, a huge fine is the appropriate punishment for such reckless disregard for public wellbeing.

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And their carry license should be revoked. Stupid and careless people should not be entrusted with guns.

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If the passenger isn’t an air marshall, there is absolutly no reason to carry a firearm on a commercial jet. That’s all we need – OK Coral in the sky.

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Maybe they should pass out guns to all passengers boarding a plane. Then we would all be protected and able to defend ourselves by shooting back. In these days and times you have to look after yourself!

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JR writes: “You take the gun away from them, they’re still evil. And they’e still going to find a way to kill people. And probably in a more efficient way that using a firearm.”

Really? What kind of methods are you thinking about here? I’m inclined to take the guns away and let the “evil” people find some other way to do their damage. You gun nuts are always yammering on about how you can kill someone with a knife, a brick, etc., just as easily as you can with a gun, and I ask, why the hell don’t you just carry a brick around? That would make me a lot more confortable sharing a society with you.

By the way, on the idea that only “evil” people kill people with guns: just recently a friend of a friend (34 y.o.) was shot to death by the drunken ex-husband of his girlfriend, who was blacked out drunk and didn’t even remember shooting the guy, much less his “reason” for doing so. I’m sure he considered himself a completely responsible gun owner and thought he had a “right” to deadly force.

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If you can’t remember that you’re carrying a gun, you should be able to own one.

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People who forget or accidentally carry guns into airports are in fact jerks who despise the Government and think the laws don’t apply to them. They consider the Constitution the best read ever, and want to turn this country back in time. Throw the bums in jail and let them bond out on a minimum 10k cash bond.
That’ll teach the little ***holes to test the Government.

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Easy fix and in some cases this does happen, however, there is some discretion currently involved. In order to legally carry the weapon in a concealed manner in the first place, they must have a “carry permit.” All of these situations revolve around carrying a concealed weapon in some sort of carry on luggage. Georgia law should require the loss of their “carry permit” without discretion in such cases. They will never forget about their concealed weapon again. In order to have a “carry permit,” they must be able to show the responsibility necessary to justify that permit.

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Ah right, the same old tired “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” And how MANY people could the average individual with a mid-life crisis kill without a gun, compared to the same individual without one? (See the Batman movie incident earlier this year – 12 innocents dead from a washed out PhD candidate). Let’s call a spade a spade folks – Guns have one intended purpose only – to cause bodily HARM. If you’re mad at your wife, don’t take it out on me. Gun-nuts who bring guns as a CARRY-ON to the airport are asking for it! Period.

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Everytime i go to the airport to pick someone up, I usually meet them at baggage claim and I make it a point to open carry. I have a valid GA Firearms License, and it’s legal to do so. As far as firearms on a plane? Nope, can’t support that.

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Yes, Donna, I 100% agree.

It should be a federal requirement for restaurants/airports/courts/schools etc to have guns ready. Every one should be handed one before entering any public places so that we are all self-protected.

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A gun on the plane may have stop 9-11……

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Luny writes: “Everytime i go to the airport to pick someone up, I usually meet them at baggage claim and I make it a point to open carry.”

Wow, your devotion to the public good is almost Christlike. Thank you SO MUCH for endangering me and my family in the baggage claim area. I’m glad to sacrifice my sense of safety for your juvenile sense of phallic empowerment.

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A rationally thinking person would recognize that it is stupid to allow guns in airports or on airplanes.

However, this is Georgia. We are not raional at all. So, let everyone have guns everywhere. Let a gunfight break out in the airport or in a middle school, or in a church. This seems to be what Georgia wants…

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@meli: Charge them with terrorism? Really? Why stop there. Charge the people who try to carry more than 3 oz of liquid or forget about a pocket knife too. After all, 911 was accomplished with box cutters! Believe me, for an ordinarily law abiding citizen, to have to go through the humiliation and inconvenience of being publicly arrested and hauled off to jail is prevention enough. I’ll bet for those that it happens to they don’t forget again. Out of the millions of air travelers what is the percentage of people who mistakenly leave a firearm in their bag? I’ll bet its less than 0.0001% It is so low that anytime it happens it makes the news so it sounds like the current laws are deterrent enough.

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“… If you “forget” that you are, you have no business owning one.”

Ever forget to turn off your cell phone before you enter a church (excludes the secular left) or business?

People who carry concealed weapons do so on a daily basis and forget they are even carrying. This is especially true for the caliber of weapons noted in the story: they are light, concealable “purse guns”. These people are not using their weapons to harm others, rather they simply forgot.

If you were to think about it, you’d realize that these people are likely above average in terms of their obeying the law since a carry permit requires a GBI background check. So they aren’t plagued with arrest records and mental deficiencies, which contrasts with most anti-Second Amendment liberals.

This doesn’t excuse them from the legal consequences, but those here who lambast people who forget to disarm are the same ones whose cell phones ring inappropriately and who couldn’t find their turn signal indicator with instructions and a 15 minute headstart.

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Are we looking at the real problem here or just looking for another excuse to attack people ?
1. Mr Seward made darn sure to announce that a Chick- Fil-A employee was among those caught carrying a gun on Monday, you neglected to mention who the other people worked for, I wander why ? We seem preoccupied by assuming that people forget they are carrying a gun in there bags as they travel, we should be celebrating that the guns are not making it past the check points. we should be more concerned with the fact that a restaurant employee can gain access to a secured area to be able to throw eggs at a bus, lets get our priorities right.

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Buy 2 bags, one for the guns and one for the clothes. Only take the clothes one to the airport. That way you never “forget”.

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Why not explosive or nuclear bombs on planes, or chemical and biological weapons? Maybe the airlines could provide them…

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well, who shot, we certainly are not going to be able to have a conversation that has any dose of reality, obviously. As a 54 year old grandfather of 3, and numerous service awards for community volunteering, I dont in any way qualify as a “gun nut”; Suffice it to say, I will not waste my breath trying to educate someone who is (a) hysterical about discussing anything to do with guns, and will not apply any logic or reason, (b) labels people automatically without making an effort at a calm discussion of facts or getting to know their views, and (c) cares so little about the principles his freedom is based on that he refers to it as “selective reading”.

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People such as “Reality” (yours must be pathetic) should know that it is almost unheard of that a person with a concealed carry permit gets involved in a gunfight. If I’m wrong, send me a few links within the next 5 minutes supporting your assertion.

In addition, violent crimes decline when a state introduces concealed carry capability because criminals realize their next prospective victim may be armed. Indeed two of the three individuals named in the accompanying story are women which means that women aren’t easy marks–unless you disarm them as you are suggesting you would.

Regarding “Georgia is a bad place to live because only idiots live there”, we’ve heard this tired one over and over and over again. And I’ll give the same reply others give: “Delta has a flight out in 5 minutes. See that you are on it.” The state’s collective IQ would escalate just a bit with your leaving.

BTW, Anonymous is 100% spot-on, offered pertinent specific information that would be of value if you’d take a moment to read and comprehend it. But that wouldn’t change your feeeeeeeeelings.

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Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. And, an armed society is a polite society. I’m fine with loaded guns on a plane, especially by all the crew members. People who are licensed to carry in GA have passed a lot of background checks and are advocates for gun safety and gun responsibility and would pose no problem in a plane or in the terminal.

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I’m fine with the second amendment, but I think they should have added that those with diminished mental capacity shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun.

Roy, that is part of the federal background checks, as well as most state laws.

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Who Shot JR: You seem to be under the impression that the people who are committing all these heinous crimes are the law abiding citizens who went through a perfectly legal process to obtain a Weapons Carry License. I would really enjoy reading some of your sources proving that anyone in Georgia legally carrying a firearm was responsible for murdering someone. The fact is the people who lawfully obtain a license are not the people who are committing these crimes. Criminals commit crimes. Taking away firearms from those who legally obtained them is not the answer. Narcotics are illegal, yet somehow criminals still find a way to obtain them. Taking away our right to bear arms would only leave us defenseless against criminals who would still find ways to get their hands on guns.

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Oh, wait: another responsible gun owner! ATLANTA (AP) — A chance encounter at a Georgia gas station left a 65-year-old woman dead and a 73-year-old man facing a murder charge after authorities say the woman’s car and his motorized wheelchair bumped and he opened fire, police said Wednesday

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Don’t tread: “I hope you are a good victim the next time you are robbed or assaulted.”

Thanks for the good thoughts buddy. For your part, I hope you are a good cowboy, get to your pistol first and manage to not provoke someone else into shooting you in response. And I hope you are responsible with your gun during the 99.999999999 percent of the time that you are not in any danger of being “robbed or assaulted.” It sure seems like for every story about someone successfully defending themselves with a gun, there are four or five about someone using a gun irresponsibly, to the fatal detriment of themselves or an innocent person.

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…if they promise not to use it to hijack a plane…

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Yes, all circumstances, unless they are a legitimate prisoner in transport. Ban the gun bans. They are unlawful and misguided. Real criminals don’t give two craps about the laws. As this article shows, only law-abiding citizens get stuck with this mess.

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Maybe we should be like NY and have Mayor Reed outlaw forgetting you have a gun in your bag so it doesn’t happen, just like Bloomberg outlawed 16oz cups so people won’t get fat. Come to think of it, he should have outlawed hurricanes.

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JR – I would be more than happy to stand by while you or family are robbed, assaulted or worse, whether in the baggage claim or elsewhere. When you or your family is attacked, please, just let me know that you believe i should not have a firearm, and i’ll gladly walk away as opposed to intervening. that really goes to all you whining liberals that think only gov’t should have guns. Just let me know and i won’t do a damn thing to assist you or your family in a time of need.

MOLON LABE

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I don’t care anymore. I want anarchy.

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JR – there is your first problem, guns are not toys

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Luny: please, don’t pretend that your macho posturing is done with the public good in mind. Your behavior is selfish and paranoid and our society would be saner and safer without people like you in it. Yes, please don’t intervene if I’m being assaulted or robbed in the baggage claim area. I’m willing to take that chance. Besides, if you start acting like a cowboy, someone’s likely to get shot, and that could be me or someone I care about.

“Why don’t we dump ‘em people, to the bottom of the sea
Before some old fool come around here, want to shoot either you or me”

That’s a little reminder of a time when Southern white people still had a little common sense.

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To all the people named Anonymous/Anon who are name-calling — at least have the guts to post under your real name. Calling people “an idiot” because they happen to disagree with you is a type of false argument that people engage in when they are either too emotional to stay focused on the issue being discussed or too uninformed to make a logical argument.

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Luny: “there is your first problem, guns are not toys”

Actually, it’s only my problem to the extent that irresponsible people are allowed to carry around deadly weapons. It’s painfully obvious that our ability to devise deadly technology has far outstripped our ability to determine who is and who isn’t “responsible” and to know when a person who was formerly determined “responsible” has, for reasons of mental illness, intoxication, whatever, has crossed the line into being “irresponsible.”

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Lynn,

don’t worry about Anonymous/Anon’s emotional state. He has guns to protect himself.

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I seriously doubt that these people knew the guns were in the bags because everyone knows you will be screened and that it won’t make it through. For individuals like myself who have a permit to carry it is as simple as purchasing a lockable case and unload the gun and declare that you have it in your checked luggage and your good to go; so to think these people were trying to circumvent the security is stupid.

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I wonder if the gun apologists would be as supportive if the person arrested was wearing a turban and a white robe.

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I forgot I had it. I forgot the safety was off. Oops! Sorry I shot you. Throw the book at them.

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So how many guns did the 9/11 terrorists have? Yeah, that would be none. How about lets arm all passengers and execute actual terrorists on the spot? It does not seem right to punish otherwise law abiding citizens for making a simple mistake.

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What a stupid question. Really, really stupid.

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@ Lynn,

The occasion does occur when people who think a lot, but dont know much of anything, bring arguments to the discussion that are based purely in emotion and are totally illogical. Others bring arguments and comments that are just illogical.
This has nothing to do with name calling or even. Its just a fact that those people are idiots, or probably more accurately are morons, and should be identified as such.

A common problem in today’s internet blogging society is the mix of the emotional thinkers and the logical thinkers. It really is like mixing the French and the Italian and expecting them to easily communicate.
Many people have all the reference material of the whole of the history of humanity at their fingertips and still believe it is necessary themselves to think through all of life’s problems. They have no principles whatsoever. They just think. They dont know a damn thing.

Today’s blogging society is idiocracy in action.

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The right to carry a gun comes with responsibilities, first and foremost knowing where your gun is at all times and making sure it is secured. As a woman with a gun permit who often travels solo, I should be allowed to transport my UNLOADED (and trigger-locked) gun in a checked bag, but not in my carry-on luggage.

That said, it is every gun-owner’s responsibility to make sure they are familiar with the gun laws of other states they may travel to as well. Not all states allow individuals to carry concealed firearms and even if a state does allow it, there’s no guarantee that state will recognize a GA permit. You can check the reciprocity status of other states here:

http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/georgias-carry-laws-explained/frequently-asked-questions/#Reciprocity

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There is no excuse for carrying a weapon on a commerical flight. If you feel the need to arm yourself, then I suggest you book a lfight on a private jet and ehen you can take an arsenal with you on your flight.The Mayor stated clearly that the airport was off limits to weapons and if anyone is caught having a weapon inside the airport they would be arrested. So there you have it, have a gun at the airport, get ARRESTED!

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@RGB –

You are really funny. You want to compare a gun to a cell phone? You want to compare a gun to a car blinker? Really?

There are different degrees of crime. In this case, I do think that a gun is just a tad more important than a car blinker….

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I’m honestly torn on the gun control debate and have been for a while. To those who think we should be able to have assault weapons, do you also think we should be able to have weapons-grade plutonium? If not, why and where do you draw the line? And wouldn’t that line be “gun control”?

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On September 11, 2001 a lot of people would have been better off if one or more passengers had a firearm with them on their flight with ammo. Prior to around 1965 it was not illegal to do so and when did high jackings start? 1966. How many people will have to die to satisfy the “liberals” desire to protect you from law abiding citizens? To be determined and still counting …

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Chicago, New York, Washington D.C….all locations that proved controlling guns does not make a city/state safer…quite the opposite.
But, I really do not want them on a plane.

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edawg

December 5th, 2012
3:25 pm

No cause you can’t protect yourself with plutonium.-In the sand.-No. Anything more?

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I forgot it was in my bag, how can you forget your gun is in your bag.. it seems many people have a bad memory, They all use that poor excuse

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@Tap Out – You took the words right out of my mouth.

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I’ll carry my gun wherever I want to, whenever I want to because Georgia law and the 2nd Amendment says I can; try to arrest and stop me and I’ll sue your ass in Federal Court.

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Scott,

You can absolutely protect yourself with plutonium.

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Ban all guns… make people learn how to fight. This country is full of pu55ie5 that want guns for protection because they can’t protect themselves any other way..

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edawg,

May be you can but I have no idea how to use that stuff. Seriously!

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edawg, right now in Syria, citizens armed with nothing but guns are fighting, and appear to be winning against a despotic dictatorship. They dont have tanks, helicopters, mortars, artillery. Just guns. But they have a damn good chance of winning their freedom back. If that doesn’t explain it, well….nothing ever will. I hope and pray something like that never comes to pass in this country, but history is very long, governments dont seem to learn, and history, unfortunately, repeats itself over time.

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You would eliminate hijackings by allowing everyone to carry a loaded gun on a flight. Kind of like when someone goes into a movie theatre with the intent to kill. I think I heard that somewhere.

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markie mark

December 5th, 2012
3:49 pm

Exactly!

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The 2nd Amendment grants us the unfettered right to bear arms. It does not specify where or when. The government hates this because it means we can generally take care of ourselves. Of course a person should be allowed to go armed on an airplane. Had that been the case 11 years ago, we wouldn’t have had the 9/11 tragedy at all. The police, etc., don’t prevent crime. If we’re lucky, they avenge it.

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I see the posts are divided between those familiar with firearms and those who probably recoil in horror if presented a handgun.

Carrying a handgun becomes routine like carrying your wallet or purse. It is entirely reasonable that someone who routinely carries can possibly forget to remove the weapon from a bag, especially if hurried.

Instead of throwing the book at people as the anti-gun crowd prefers, how about a background check and if there is no evidence of intent give them a warning the first time that goes in their record. If they do it again, then fine them an amount that clears their memory.

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I heard a recommendation the other day that really has merit. Since the 2nd amendment authorizes the ownership and carry of firearms, and that those firearms be used for militia, etc., people who choose not to own a firearm should have to pay a fine for not being able to participate in the militia.

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And these people really expect us to believe it was just an “honest mistake”. People who have weapons simply do not ‘just forget’ they have them. You’d better keep track of it at all times or someone’s liable to take it from you and use it against you.

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I don’t believe we should be arresting everyone who accidentally carries a gun to the security check… At least, not if they are legally allowed to carry.

And don’t point out the morons who have used guns to kill people at schools/movie theaters/whatever. So what that you can name 5 people who committed crimes with firearms bc they are crazy? When you are talking about a population in the 100s of millions in the US, you are bound to find lunatics, and lunatics don’t need guns to exist.

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One bullet through the skin of a pressurized airliner at 20,000 ft. would be catastrophic for all including the gun nut. Should we stroke the egos of these gun nuts by being forgiving because they are so insecure they cannot go into the public without carrying a gun? No! Fines, penalties and jail time will make them remember next time and at the same time keep the traveling public safe.

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Every grown person knows NOT to carry weapons to the airport and court house, especially with all that crying that goes on with “safety”.

So if you get caught with a loaded gun you should do jail time just for being a stupid moron.

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Ok Johnny Reb, so a terrorist with a clean record would be able to attempt to bring a gun onto a plane under your scenario and if they are caught, no harm, no foul because they have no record and by your summation their intent was heavenly. But if they are not caught and get onto the plane, there goes the farm. You gun loving nuts are beyond amazement!

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The time is near when something is going to happen — a criminal incident where people with a carry permit all pull their guns at the same time to intervene in the criminal situation only to be involved in a circular firing squad or the police will arrive and shoot the wrong person with the gun.

It’s too easy to buy a gun and get a carry permit.

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I’m asking for a rocket propelled grenade launcher for Christmas b/c the second amendment protects my right to bear arms. And no, I don’t care that it was written 221 years ago and doesn’t even make sense anymore.

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scott @ 4:07

What needs to be changed? It sounds great the way it is:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

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scott,

Thanks for seeing my point.

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You can carry a gun but i cannot have a taser or stung gun? what kind of crazness is this?

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Betty perry- My right to carry trumps your opinion on firearms.

Secondly, the people you are afraid of probably don’t have the right to have a firearm to begin with.

“Your right to bare arms is so out of control.” Guess what? It’s your right, too.

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RGB says: “Ever forget to turn off your cell phone before you enter a church (excludes the secular left) or business?”

Not very mature to take a swipe at people like that. People on the left go to church too, and many on the right do not.

People on the left are your fellow citizens. Be respectful, please.

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No, a bullethole in the skin of a plane would NOT be catastrophic, you idiots. Do you know what would happen? There would be a hole in the wall, but guess what? There’s ALREADY holes in the wall of a plane. They’re called “doors” and they’re not sealed very well. Ever sit next to an emergency exit? Hear that noise? That’s called “air”. It would just give the pressurized air another venue from which to leave the airplane, but not at any faster pace than it already is at 30,000 feet.

“Explosive decompression” is movie magic….not real life.

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logically edawg? we would never agree on the new updated wording….America is too diverse in its beliefs to ever repeat creating a document like the Constitution that would be approved by the states…

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Also, don’t forget to put your DARTS in checked baggage. Before Sept. 11th I was taken away because my darts, in their case, were in my briefcase. I shudder to think at what they would do to me now? Probably be sent to a gulag in Ludowici.

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“I’m asking for a rocket propelled grenade launcher for Christmas b/c the second amendment protects my right to bear arms. And no, I don’t care that it was written 221 years ago and doesn’t even make sense anymore.”

and there we go….edawg has now dropped the pretense of a logical discussion anymore and become his true self.

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What is illogical about stating that a grenade launcher is an arm? What is illogical about stating that the second amendment was written 221 years ago? What is illogical about stating that the wording doesn’t make sense?

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“I’m asking for a rocket propelled grenade launcher for Christmas b/c the second amendment protects my right to bear arms. And no, I don’t care that it was written 221 years ago and doesn’t even make sense anymore”

supreme court opinion holds that the 2nd amendment does not apply to weapons which kill indiscriminately, as in grenades or bombs as an example.

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I worked at ATL for nine years after 9/11 and suggested several times that they place signage in the parking lots and at the terminal entrances reminding people of the federal security requirement as it relates to guns. The powers that be at the time always said it “would not be aesthetically pleasing” to do so. By the way, those were the same bumpkins who refused to establish a cell phone lot because it wouldn’t produce revenue, and who refused to lease space to Chick-Fil-A because they would not open on Sundays. Things (and personnel) have changed since then and n ow there is a cell phone lot and Chick-Fil-A plans to open two airport locations in February 2013. Maybe they will reconsider the signage idea??

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edawg

December 5th, 2012
4:44 pm

Well you did move from logical discussion to being a bit snarky. Jus sayin……..

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“It was absolutely a mistake. She’s a sales rep,” Parker’s attorney, Jay Jackson, told Channel 2. “She brings the gun with her in her bag when she’s in her territory. She’s a woman just trying to make sure she’s safe.”

She must have some rough territory! Is much of Georgia really the wild, wild West? Carrying a gun on your person has been shown to decrease one’s safety, not increase it. And a gun in the airport is idiocy. If you can’t remember you HAVE a gun, how could you remember to use it if you can’t remember NOT to bring it through TSA?

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The argument about needing guns be able to fight off the government is bogus to me. That ship sailed here a long time ago. That might have been a valid argument 100 years ago but not today and probably not as far back as the 1940s or 1930s.

I’m uneasy about that being the case…but it is most definitely the case. Don’t kid yourself.

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People who accidentally forget to leave their guns behind aren’t criminals. How about some prominent SIGNS at the entry to the airport (to be seen by people driving in as well as walking in) to remind them? Also, how about some legal way of dealing with a gun you’ve accidentally brought along — such as a way to having it FedExed to your destination or your home?

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point taken Curzen

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I am a cop.

Half the people on here abhor guns and believe we can save them if a life threatening situation arises. We can’t and won’t.

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As a traveler thats in an airplane almost 80 times a year, with a checked gun everytime (except flying to those states that don’t honor my carry permit), I fail to see how these folks just “forgot”. No one needs a gun on the flight unless its a military chartered one.

I love the comment above that says its irrational only because its Georgia. Obviously a person who doesn’t understand that 80% of the states in the union, you can carry loaded guns in an airport. Many states you can carry a gun anywhere but where the Feds say you can’t.

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darkstar3d

December 5th, 2012
5:20 pm

Look at FF’s post at 5:10. It can happen!

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Frequent Flyer – thank you for sharing your experience and proofing that in government, common sense is neither common or sensical.

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Ok here are my two cents worth: To the people blasting having guns..especially to JR…JR you are right, absolutely chances are you will NEVER need a weapon to defend your self during your life..BUT..what if? what if you do? I couldn’t live knowing I allowed my child or other loved ones being killed or harmed, when if I’d owned a firearm I could have protected them possibly. The thing about gun control is it doesn’t work..Jamaica has banned all firearms in that country for 99% of the population, yet it has the 3rd highest murder rate in the world per capita, Same with El Savador, it has the NUMBER 1 murder rate per capita in the world. The UK put some of the most stringent gun control laws in the world into affect few years back, did the firearm rate go down? sure did, did over all murder rate go down sure did, but guess what? knife murders went up by 50% in two years, deaths by other objects went up by 60% in two years, and now the over all murder rate is creeping up again. Here is the thing, if you look closely at this there is ONE big thing that seems to stand out, at least to me, in all these places, poverty, When you high poverty levels you have high murder rates. Same with US, poverty is going up and so are murder rates and irrational acts. If you do NOT believe start searching and reading and you will see for yourself. People do things when they feel they have no other options, and things are getting this way in america due to crooked politicians and government that doesn’t do it’s job. Do not let the left take your weapons or you will be in the shape of jamaica, el salvador and starting to be UK. One more point, it is pretty much mandatory for every male in Switzerland to own a gun. Yet murder rates are 1.2 per 100,000. Yet poverty the rate is VERY low.

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The original article confused two different issues, whether guns should be allowed on planes and what to do about these individuals who had guns in their luggage.

On issue #1, I’m a gun owner, target shooter, and have a carry permit. However, our current culture and world situation makes carrying guns on aircraft a very bad idea. I don’t think there’s much disagreement on that particular point.

With regard to “accidentally” having a gun in your carry-on, use a little common sense… These are typically not stupid people, and they are often frequent travelers. We (and they) all know that a gun will almost certainly get detected (and good for that). I travel and use the same bag for trips of many types. Sometimes on a road-only trip to a client site, I’ll carry a pistol for motel protection. I check my bag thoroughly before flying and have never had a problem other than a couple of forgotten pocket knives (the shame of it!). But I can see someone getting in a rush and forgetting to check. These people are not terrorists! Why is it that you hand-wringers simply want to criminalize everything you don’t like. People make mistakes; why give someone a criminal record (and many of you say put them in jail) for a mistake does occur.

I think the phrase is.. “Let he who is without sin……….”

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the government needs to start banning a lot of these guns—too many people have guns and are causing all these shootings and crimes. The government needs to limit guns to only certain people and only small guns—I’m tired of all the guns in this country!

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No.

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As the owner of a 38 special. The weapon never leaves my home. Is not laying around in the open (I live alone) There is NO WAY if I were to carry it with me anywhere and not Remember that I have it, No way. I am constantly conscience and aware I have it with me.

These people are idoits and should be fined so that in the future they will remember the huge hole left in their pocket from the fines, not to mention record that that they will receive, jail time, missing their flights, ruining their plans, I would say. They will never ever forget again. Fine them heavy

As I stated I own a gun and Never forget it is in my possesion, never, actually I stopped carring one because one was stolen out of my car when my keys were stollen and car went into and the only reason the car not stolen is because it had a anti theft lock inwhich if you dont know how to diactivate the system the car will not crank but that didnt stop the thief from stealing whatever was in the car, my gun included so.so much for leaving a weapon in your car, if the car is broken into, chances are they will find your weapon and it will be stolen so leaving guns in cars do not protect them and not the best idea.

But my thing is, you KNOW you are going to the airport, why on earth do you need to carry a gun? Did you NOT pack before you left the house? who packed your bags?

I do not buy the excuse I forgot it was in my bag, You have no business putting a loaded weapon in your bag when you know you are about to go to the Airport, court house, any place of high security. As one post said if you cant remember you have a loaded weapon on you, you should not be allowed to own one period because your mind is not all the way there.

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To EVERYONE in This Forum:

Listen…, I did NOT let My Emotions get in The Way when there was a Debate as to whether or not a Person should or should not have a Firearm at The Airport, or in Their Carry-on Bag.

I only Stated The Law as is found within The Official Code of Georgia Annotated.

Whether You like it or not…, Georgia is a Gun FREINDLY State, as Georgia ALLOWS: Open Carry or Concealed Carry, either Loaded or Unloaded, of: Handguns and Rifles and Shotguns and Knives, in any Location ANYWHERE in This State other than an Unauthorized Location. While Handguns and Knives with Blades Greater than 5 Inches in Length Require a Georgia Weapons Carry License while in Public, no License is needed for any other Firearm or Weapon.

Georgia ALLOWS Firearms at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, every other Airport in Georgia, and on MARTA Property and inside MARTA Rail-Cars and Buses, again…, whether You like it or not.

Georgia Preempts Firearm and Knive Regulation to The State, Similiar as to how 43 other States do, and The City of Atlanta or Clayton County is Powerless to Ban Firearms or Knives from The Airport.

Again…, like a said before, a Crime is ONLY Committed, if and only if, a Person takes a Weapon to that Portion of The Airport which is “Restricted” Pursuant to Federal Law. The Term “Restricted” only Includes The TSA Checkpoints and The Concourses.

The Law is The Law. Many Times I have had to Explain to others that Emotion Enforcement and Law Enforcement is Two Totally Different Issues. Police Officers, Prosecutors, and Judges CANNOT Allow Their Emotions on Guns to get in The Way of Their Official Duties, again…, whether They Agree on Gun Control or not.

I do not Deserve to be Labeled as: “[a Person who should be] Shot in The Face” Solely for Reiterating The Laws of The State of Georgia, but I should NOT Commit Acts of Name Calling either, so I Apologize to Whomever Meli is.

However, Georgia, like 43 other States, ALLOWS Firearms in Airports and on Airport Property!

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I wonder how many of you anti-gun zealots would have been thankful that there were no handguns or rifles on those planes that were rammed into the twin towers in 2001 if YOU were on them. Yep, by golly, we’re going to get smashed all over the ground and into a building, but at least those eeeeeevvvvvvvvillllllllll guns aren’t on the plane.

You people sicken me.

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Now the Postal department employees ask the question whether the package has an liquid or flammable items. Likewise, the person all the way up in the front of the passenger’s line must ask the question, ” Do you carry any weapon”?. This is quite a joke, how some people forget to take the gun out of their carry on bags-they don’t come to the airport barefooted or straight from the bed.

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