Lovers and gun lovers at Starbucks?

Lovers won’t be the only ones meeting over a cup of Caffè Misto at Starbucks today.

In many states, gun lovers, openly strapped, also might be seen dropping in on the coffee shop, much to the chagrin of gun-control advocates who say the popular coffee chain should ban the latter group from its counters.

Starbucks finds itself in the middle of a heated national battle between those defending their right to bear arms openly and those who say society is violent enough without such open displays of firepower.

The National Gun Victims Action Council created an open “Brew not Bullets” Valentines Day open email to Starbucks that supporters can send opposing the practice and the group is urging supporters not to visit a Starbucks until it bans guns inside its shops.

Starbucks says it’s just complying with the laws of 43 states where it is legal to carry weapons openly. The chain has nearly 5,000 locations in those states.

According to pro-guns advocate opencarry.org, more than half of those states allow owners to carry a loaded handgun without any form of government permission. Another dozen, including Georgia, allow unconcealed loaded handguns to be carried with a permit.

Some pro-gun advocates in California show up at Starbucks and other retailers with unloaded handguns holstered to their belts to protest California laws that place restrictions on openly carrying weapons.

Here’s a link to opencarry.org’s summary of Georgia’s open-carry law.

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that's goofy

February 14th, 2012
12:48 pm

I support Starbucks’ right to permit of ban the possession of firearms on their property (in accordance of the law).

Logic

February 14th, 2012
12:49 pm

Why a story about citizens exercising their Constitutional rights?

asdf

February 14th, 2012
12:49 pm

Some pro-gun advocates in California show up at Starbucks and other retailers with unloaded handguns holstered to their belts to protest California laws that place restrictions on openly carrying weapons.

in California normal law abiding people cannot get a ccw.
the laws here are insane.

SAWB

February 14th, 2012
12:54 pm

Just one more attack on our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. First these groups will try to deny gun rights then they will move to freedom of speech, then freedom of assembly and so forth. All Americans need to resist these thugs and their tactics of blackmail and misinformation.

jud

February 14th, 2012
12:56 pm

How dare state legislatures breach the religious rights of corporate owners who prescribe to passive, peaceful means of sorting out differences! Requiring business owners to let guns on their premises is akin to requiring business owners to pay for birth control!

von

February 14th, 2012
1:03 pm

Go ahead, ban me from carrying my firearm on your premises, I will stop doing business with you, and then when a criminal shows up and shoots the place, I will make it a point to visit you in the hospital to remind you that If i had been there with my firearm, you wouldnt be in the hospital. Of course that is assuming you live through the experience. If not, well..I can always send an “I told you so” bouqet to your funeral…and I totally would too. A well armed society is a polite society.

Texas Tea

February 14th, 2012
1:04 pm

They won’t take away the freedom of speech, because the media is Liberal anyways and will only talk about those things the Liberal zombies want to hear.

JF

February 14th, 2012
1:09 pm

There is no requirement for a business to allow someone to carry a firearm in their business that I am aware of. There is a law stating (at least in GA) that they can ask you to leave and you have to abide by their wishes, but they cannot have you arrested for carrying the firearm only for trespassing if you do not leave when asked to do so.
This is not a choice for government this is a choice for individual businesses and their customers can make their own choice as to whether they want to go there based on their decision.

Marlboro Man

February 14th, 2012
1:19 pm

Walk into Walmart with a shotgun in your arms and it will get freaky real fast.

lshaw

February 14th, 2012
1:21 pm

No shoes, no shirts, no guns. How did this right to parade your guns around ever get to this point. It is totally insane. It’s the same people who brought you the Republican nominees who have pushed this gun legislation. Rational people should be fighting to make guns illegal. Just read the paper every day to see how many innocent people are killed by guns. Let’s try to evolve upward instead of downward.

Brian30101

February 14th, 2012
1:29 pm

@ Ishaw, 1.21pm
A lot more “innocent” people die in car wrecks than by guns. Should we ban all cars then?

LJ

February 14th, 2012
1:30 pm

Its perfectly legal for Starbucks to forbid weapons on their property- THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO!

No laws require them to allow weapons. They wisely chose to not take a political stance and simply allow law abiding citizens to do law abiding things in their stores. Now anti-gun groups are getting upset that the company does not want to take a stance.

H. West

February 14th, 2012
1:31 pm

@Ishaw

“Rational people should be fighting to make guns illegal”

-Right…because criminals would just stop robbing people at gun point if it became “illegal” to carry a gun…real “Rational”

“Just read the paper every day to see how many innocent people are killed by guns”

-Guns hop off a counter somewhere and shoot innocent people? Wow…that’s weird. I think it is probably criminals who are using guns who are killing innocent people. You see, criminals, by the very definition of the word, do not obey the law. Passing a law that would make guns illegal would only disarm law-abiding citizens and make them easier targets for home invasions.

How about evolving half a brain…

No need for concern from law abiders

February 14th, 2012
1:33 pm

Jud, I believe you are a bit misinformed. This is not about a state government requiring Starbucks do anything. I have not heard of any state requiring a business owner to “let guns on their premises.” My state has laws allowing the concealed carry of fire arms to licensed individuals who have completed the training course, have gotten fingerprinted and passed a FBI criminal background check. Even after all of this effort a business may post a sign stating that they do not allow firearms on the premises and I must comply. I respect the right of private business to operate in a way they see fit. This includes excluding me from carrying on their premises. However, due to my own safety concerns I will not shop there.”Gun free zones” are only gun free for those who abide by the law. Criminals don’t necessarily care that there is a no guns sign on a business, a school or your house for that matter. Does posting a “no burglars” sign on your windows deter all or any burglars? I think not. You have noting to fear from your law abiding peers armed or otherwise. It is the criminals roaming in our society you must worry about and there are already laws that make it illegal for them to be armed.

bob

February 14th, 2012
1:38 pm

liberals bitching about something else……

Gun owner

February 14th, 2012
1:38 pm

Get your facts rights please. It’s called a CONCEALED Weapons Permit. It gives you the right to carry a CONCEALED weapon with a permit – not an unconcealed one. This isn’t the Wild West – the purpose of having a CWP is so you can tuck it into your pocket or purse and be prepared for the worst – not so you can carry it for the world to see.

A dad

February 14th, 2012
1:43 pm

Having been involved in a number of prior discussions involving guns, the 2d amendment, etc., I have given up trying to argue logically with the anti-gun nut, but hey, I’m a glutton for punishment so here goes again. First, a gun is not a defective product. It must be picked up, loaded, pointed and fired by a human. it does exactly what it’s supposed to do. Second, if you do away with all legal guns in the U.S., are you so blind that you think that will ban ALL guns in the U.S? Guns are manufactured by a number of other countries, and much like drugs are smuggled in, take away lawful guns and you’ll have the same situation with guns. Third, take away all LAWFUL guns and the only ones with guns will be criminals. News flash: criminals do not wander into Dick’s Sporting Goods, fill out paperwork, and wait to pick up their gun. The go to a dark alley where a guy is waiting with a trunk full of guns and fork over cash. And while some of this scenario is furnished via straw purchases, it’s not nearly as much as you think. And finally, look at Kennesaw after it enacted the every house has to have a gun law. Gee, what do you think happened to crime in Kennesaw? Yup, virtually non-existant. And one thing just about any criminal knows, regardless of country of origin, is the sound of a 12 guage pump action being primed. So, stop blaming guns and instead look at those who misuse them. And in case anyone wants to cite a cetain survey about gun violence, I hope they are aware the stats were taken from the metro Seattle area, and included suicides. Seattle metro just happens to have the highest rate of suicides in the country, so if one wanted to skew the survey results, well….. Hmm, didn’t rely on Detorit or Miami or NYC or any of those othe rlarge metro areas. Seattle. Ha!

A dad

February 14th, 2012
1:44 pm

An OBTW, Harvard’s Lawrence Tribe has opined tha tthe 2d Amendment refers to ordinary citizens, not the National Guard, the Police, etc.

cj

February 14th, 2012
1:51 pm

Someone posted how guns should be illegal, just read the news paper. Sadly those people who are killing people with guns are mostly using illegal guns. So, as most people have stated, these laws are only for law abiding citizens. And I should have the right, as given to me by my fore father, to carry a gun.

Big Bubba

February 14th, 2012
1:56 pm

Gun Owner said:

“Get your facts rights please. It’s called a CONCEALED Weapons Permit. It gives you the right to carry a CONCEALED weapon with a permit – not an unconcealed one. This isn’t the Wild West – the purpose of having a CWP is so you can tuck it into your pocket or purse and be prepared for the worst – not so you can carry it for the world to see.”

You really should get YOUR facts straight – it never has been a concealed weapon permit – it’s a GEORGIA WEAPONS LICENSE which does not restrict the method of carry.

Erin Allan

February 14th, 2012
1:57 pm

One reason that I occasionally open carry (and regularly carry concealed) is to demonstrate that guns can be a normal, everyday part of life. They are inanimate objects that have various functions, including self-defense. People who want to ban them from public life typically are motivated by irrational fear and lack of knowledge about guns. Take a gun safety course and learn how to shoot, then come back here and opine.

Glen

February 14th, 2012
2:02 pm

I applaud Starbucks for complying with local laws and not discriminating against groups of customers just because they’ve read the Constitution. I haven’t been to Starbucks in a while, but the idea of activists encouraging people not to patronize them makes me WANT to go there.

P.S. I don’t own a gun…I just can’t stand the activists!

SAWB

February 14th, 2012
2:05 pm

Ever notice that a lot of the same people who want to ban guns want to go easy on the folks who use guns to commit crimes. The problem is not with an inanimate object like a gun, but with people who make a decision to commit violence. We need to lock these violent individuals up and leave them there.

hero

February 14th, 2012
2:19 pm

My gun has a supressor on it. It’s illegal for me to carry it though. But no one ever heard me use it when I did either.

Michelle

February 14th, 2012
2:43 pm

Why don’t these gun lovers just do the rest of us a favor and shoot themselves?

Gun owner

February 14th, 2012
2:45 pm

Actually, Big Bubba – it used to be called a Georgia Firearms License and is now called a Georgia Weapons Carry License. The point it – the article is wrong in saying that weapons have to be unconcealed. The term CWP is very common in most states that have one and was just an expression meant to state that the article is incorrect in saying you have to carry your gun for the world to see. That’s one of the arguments people use – is that they don’t want their children exposed to guns in public places. Every one I know with a license keeps their weapons concealed because they aren’t meant to scare – they are for our own protection.

Bubba Grump

February 14th, 2012
2:46 pm

I have my permit and carry my gun every day. I would advise you all to get your permits NOW before the liberal gun grabbing NoBama types make it much more difficult to get than they already are.

Stand up for your 2nd amendment rights and protect yourselves and your famlies!!

Normal Comment Guy

February 14th, 2012
2:53 pm

Carrying a gun in a holster or hidden into a place of business, worship, or anyplace where people are gathered is just plain silly. The folks that carry that way know they are silly and they just like tweaking normal people. It’s not a “lliberal” issue or a “conserviative” issue it’s a “kill or wound someblody” issue. The ONLY reason you choose to carry is to kill or wound someone. Period. Maybe in your feeble mind you will “defend” yourself or some such foolishness (you’ll be dead before you can get to your gun), but the ONLY reason for that kind of silliness it to kill or hurt another human being. Guns are good in the woods for hunting. It’s fun to shoot at a target. Wearing them in public is abnormal and is only done to show off. Kind of like having a nose ring or purple hair. You just want someone to comment on your silliness.

woodrow

February 14th, 2012
3:03 pm

If you drink too much coffee your gun might go off. Happens all the time. You’re drinkin coffee and suddenly, BANG. Somebodies dies. Everybody spits out their coffee.

gapeach

February 14th, 2012
3:08 pm

H.West you are my hero! <3

PTC Bernie

February 14th, 2012
3:10 pm

If the people who oppose open carry laws feel that strongly they should vote with their wallets, not try to tell someone what to do when they are doing something allowed by law. If you don’t agree with the law, work with your legislature to change it.

Mark

February 14th, 2012
3:13 pm

Seems to me it would behoove any place that doesn’t disallow the open display of or carrying of a firearm to post a notice informing customers of this. It’s one thing for a business to post a notice disallowing open display or just having a firearm, but quite another to post no notice when they don’t disallow this. Reason is if I am killed by accident by an armed citizen during a robbery and shootout, if I knew it was a place where they allowed guns and it was more likely this could happen, I could avoid going there. This is the same thing as putting a warning label on a product. The first time this happens and a store loses a multimillion dollar lawsuit because they didn’t warn the public what their policy was, they’ll all be forced to take a stand and post one way or another. Or we’ll get – and they’ll be clamoring for – a law forcing business to do so.

Mossberg 500 rules

February 14th, 2012
3:13 pm

@Michelle/ 2:43 pm………..your intolerance is only exceeded by your ignorance…….

Goose

February 14th, 2012
3:16 pm

@Gun Owner You do realize the only reason for the CWP is to carry CONCEALED. You can CARRY OPENLY WITHOUT the permit (However most get the permit just to be on the safe side). Get YOUR facts straight!

What?

February 14th, 2012
3:20 pm

@Normal Comment Guy – using “silly” that many times certainly dilutes your point which obviously is non-existent.

Goose

February 14th, 2012
3:21 pm

@Mark Are you Serious? How about this. You just post your address and put the sign your advocating in your window and see if the criminals stay away. Oh and you better be sure the criminal doesn’t get hurt in your house or he will be able to sue you for his injury.

moldywalt

February 14th, 2012
3:23 pm

Until I got to the last comment by “Normal Comment guy” I was not going to add to the controversy, but he pushed me over the edge. Why does he think he is normal? He cannot spell and he knows nothing about why people carry concealed, it is for self-defense. There are multiple websites out there where you can find self defense shootins every day.

What?

February 14th, 2012
3:24 pm

@Mark…you are kidding, right? I feel very sorry for you.

mr. progressive

February 14th, 2012
3:36 pm

Just as there are Gay Republicans, there are gun-owning Democrats.

People making insulting, uneducated, crass comments about the other party fail to recognise that everyone does not fall neatly into one “party” and in fact you’re only hurting yourself when you speak in broad terms like “stupid liberals” or “braindead conservatives”.

Not all Americans are mindless party-zombies.

nomobama

February 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

Michelle, shut your pie hole and get back in the kitchen where you belong. Make me a sandwich and bring me a beer NOW!

mr. progressive

February 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

@Normal Comment Guy – You are misinformed. I live in the City of Atlanta in Midtown. I voted for Obama. I carry a gun for self-defense with a permit. We have had a rash of armed-robberies in late 2011 and to be honest, it’s stupid to walk around the city at night without a gun or a big dog.

The neighborhoods are nice, but at night, the thugs do arrive. Look at the APD crime maps for evidence.

I would agree there are many gun-nuts out there, but just because they are “showing-off” doesn’t mean it’s not a valid point that people should be able to carry, even in businesses….. and Starbucks.

Gun Owner

February 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

@Goose – not in Georgia you can’t. You can have it in your vehicle or home without a permit, but not on your person.

williebkind

February 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

Has not the OWS done more property damage than concealed handguns? Why does Ga require a permit? Did the progressive liberals take away our first ammendment rights? Why am I more likely to be hurt by the OWS than I am a handgun?

williebkind

February 14th, 2012
3:46 pm

That is 2nd ammendment….sorry

meh

February 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

@Gun Owner, you would be correct if you clarified your statement with HANDGUN. It is perfectly legal in the state of Georgia to openly carry a long gun without a Georgia Weapons License.

NB

February 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

I can’t stand listening to anti gun owners rants… DO NOT come to my house when you need protection.

BS Patrol

February 14th, 2012
4:06 pm

Goose, You’d better get your facts straight. There is no straight answer to the carry laws in GA. This I can guarantee you, the man can make up the rules as he sees fit and you are in for the hassle of your life whether you have committed a crime or not.

Be Real

February 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

Should police carry guns? I think so. Know why they do? To protect themselves. I’d like to protect myself, too.

Prez Obozo

February 14th, 2012
4:14 pm

I don’t go to Starbucks at all. They are way too high on their products & most of their customers are weird modern day beat nicks from the 50’s.