Student loan debt is now more than credit card debt

Student loan debt — totaling more than $800 billion — outpaced credit card debt for the first time last year and is likely to top a trillion dollars this year, the New York Times reports.

“In the coming years, a lot of people will still be paying off their student loans when it’s time for their kids to go to college,” Mark Kantrowitz, publisher of FinAid.org, told the Times.

Two-thirds of bachelor’s degree recipients graduated with debt in 2008, compared with less than half in 1993, the Times writes. Last year, graduates who took out loans left college with an average of $24,000 in debt.

The mountain of debt is likely to grow more quickly with the coming round of budget-slashing, the Times writes.

In Georgia, cuts in the HOPE scholarship program will mean increased borrowing costs for many students in the future. And federal Pell grants for low-income students are expected to be cut, the Times writes.

Some education policy experts told the Times that the mounting debt has broad implications for the current generation of students.

“If you have a lot of people finishing or leaving school with a lot of debt, their choices may be very different than the generation before them,” Lauren Asher, president of the Institute for Student Access and Success, told the Times. “Things like buying a home, starting a family, starting a business, saving for their own kids’ education may not be options for people who are paying off a lot of student debt.”

What’s your situation or what will it be?

Have you changed your college or career plans for financial reasons? For example, is going to a technical college to learn a trade more appealing than it was a few years ago?

Are you trying to keep things in perspective by looking at the long-term value of a college education? Or is the tough job market for graduates in recent years changing your view?

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TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
5:52 am

It’s a national disgrace. It has implications for our economy as well. If we truly valued education we would find a way to pay for it. Haven’t we spent more in Iraq?

Destin Dawg

April 12th, 2011
6:57 am

these kids need to work their way through school… like we did back in the day… find scholarships.. live at home and go to Junior college or tech or trade school… NOT get a degree in NOTHING… like liberal arts/history/english/creative writing….. we need math/science/medical/engineers… Don’t borrow $$$ to get a degree that will not lead to a career !!!!

Time to wise up

April 12th, 2011
7:04 am

The problem is that Universities have transformed from places of higher education to factories over the last 20 years. The Hope scholarship helped usher in the false assumption that all high school graduates should go to college, and Universities fed off that by letting more kids in and rapidly expanding the salaries of Presidents and the on-campus facilities.

The United States still needs skilled labor, and yet there is none anymore, because kids who used to take shop as seniors and went to apprentice with a skilled worker right out of college have been seduced by the idea of getting a college degree. So instead of starting to work a well-paying job at 19 years old, they go to Kennesaw State, flounder around for 6 years, get a worthless degree in psychology and have $70,000 in student loan debt.

There are lots of kids out there who are 23 years old, have worthless “degrees” and massive loan debts that they will never be able to pay off. But hey, at least Kennesaw State was able to raise student fees to $120 a semester to field a football team.

We need to fundamentally re-train guidance counselors to start letting kids know that not everyone should go to college. It is a false promise that is being propagated by higher education to continue to pay the salaries of the university presidents and athletic department heads.

Wake up America, you are being scammed.

Wished I would have known

April 12th, 2011
7:18 am

I totally agree with Time to wise up. I wished someone would have told me that 20 years ago that I should have gone to Tech school and got a trade as oppose to going to college. I graduated with a worthless degree and $10,000 in student loan debt. I am not allowing my kids to make the same mistake.

free

April 12th, 2011
7:23 am

bachelors and masters: $60k debt. and i worked while in school!

Julie

April 12th, 2011
7:29 am

I had a scholarship for full tuition, plus I work during school and I still have $30,000 in student loans just for the cost of living during that time. I have a good job, but not one that I enjoy, and I can’t change careers because I need to make as much money as I do to support my debt. Debt is completely running my life and making all my decisions for me. I wish I would’ve gone to a trade school, but my parents wanted me to have a degree. Now I have to suffer for it.

Time to wise up

April 12th, 2011
7:29 am

I would also like to add that our grade schools/high schools need to start including a personal financial education component.

If a 16 year old starts to understand what $25,000 in debt at 5.5% can do to their financial well-being, they will not be making those poor decisions as young adults.

Jeff Costa

April 12th, 2011
7:34 am

Peter Thiel just covered this.

We’re in a Bubble and It’s Not the Internet. It’s Higher Education.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/10/peter-thiel-were-in-a-bubble-and-its-not-the-internet-its-higher-education/

Sue

April 12th, 2011
7:39 am

Destin Dawg and Time to wise up got it right! (Except for the part about having a degree at 23–many students at 23 are years from that!)

The education bubble needs to go ahead and bust.

HOPE turned out to be a curse rather than the “Jewel” some claim it to be since the schools’ response to it was to jack up tuition and fees accordingly along with going on building binges and inflating the salaries of presidents .

And student loans: the schools are ready and waiting to shove them down the throats of foolish, gullible students who should be working and paying their own way.

Why aren’t the schools being held accountable for this as well as for their poor graduation rates and unemployable graduates. Statistics should be available for each school listing the employment statistics, salaries, etc. for each major. Why go to college for 4+ years, waste parents’ money, and run up big loans to work behind a fast food counter or worse yet, have no job at all?

Cindy

April 12th, 2011
7:44 am

We have a child who is currently a sophomore in public college on Hope. Even with Hope it will cost over $8000 next year out of pocket with her living on campus, meal plan, fees/things not paid by Hope. The schools now don’t have many scholarships for people who aren’t athletes. We refuse to allow her to borrow more than we know she can comfortably pay once she graduates which means that she will not be going to school this fall as she will have to sit out and work as we don’t have that kind of money to give her (but can help her some). It won’t hurt her. Both my husband and I worked our way through college and each of us took more than the “traditional” 4 years to graduate. That’s part of the problem – the federal loan system allows people to borrow money for careers that won’t pay much (if they’re lucky to get a job with this economy) instead of telling these kids “no, you need to pay for your schooling and not borrow so much.”

Kat

April 12th, 2011
7:47 am

@Time to wise up – absolutely there should be a personal finance education class in the high schools. And, the parents of the high-schoolers should teach it – similar to Junior Achievement with real-life examples and pitfalls. Tell them the truth, as they are going to need it.

I was fortunate to have no debt after graduating from college (fortunate = working my way through plus scholarships). If employers didn’t “demand” a college education as a screening tool (and most jobs DO NOT need one, especially where an apprenticeship/internship would suffice), many people wouldn’t be drowning in debt.

Bill

April 12th, 2011
7:49 am

Destin Dog,

1) It is hard to work you way through school when there are very few jobs available. When I was young, you could work a job at or near the minimum wage, make enough to live and pay tuition. Today, that minimum wage job at 40 hours a week would barely pay tuition.

2) A university education was never meant to be job training. There is great value in a liberal arts education – for the individual and for society. If all you are looking for is job training, then you are right, go to technical school.

Mercer

April 12th, 2011
7:57 am

Dear Destin Liberal Arts Degrees are not crap! I would love to see you go through this 4 year program at a traditonal college. This program is 10 times as hard as a reagular Teacher Education degree. With a Liberal Arts Degree I can go on to gradute school and get any degree that I want. I am not pigon hold into getting an useless business degree or an social health degree. Plus if your goal is to work in Corporate America a lot of bosses look for critical thinking skills and good writing skills. You can not learn this in a regular degree program. So getting a Liberal Arts degree is not a waste of time. I am so tired of small minded people thinking this is just a fluff degree. Now granted I went to Mercer and I work full time and I am still leaving school 55K in debt but, atleast I have a degree that I am proud of and can use on a daily basis. According to Suze Orman school debt is healthy debt because it shows that you are trying to better yourself.

Bill

April 12th, 2011
7:59 am

Time to Wise UP,
As a former apprentice and skilled tradesman in manufacturing, please tell me where this demand for skilled trades exists. The apprenticeships you mention have nearly disappeared over the sat 30 years.

$70,000 in student debt or Kennesaw State? Total cost including living expenses is around $12,000 per year. You did read the part where the average debt nationally is about $24,000. I have a daughter graduating from Emory, and her debt will be right at the average.

I agree with you that universities should not prioritize things like football and apartment style living, but that is not the source of the problem. Faculty and administrative salaries are not the problem either, although some administrative position could probably be cut. These salaries in Georgia are below the national average. State Funding for higher education has endured drastic cuts year after year. That is primarily what has fueled tuition and borrowing increases. A public burden has been shifted to twenty year olds.

Tom

April 12th, 2011
8:02 am

Time to wise up is absolutely correct. Guidance counselors have been told by administration dunderheads to tell all students to go to college. What a load! The world needs plumbers, electricians, welders, carpenters, and auto mechanics a lot more than it needs another college graduate with a degree in African studies or women’s studies. Has anyone with such a degree ever got a job in either of those fields? Do those fields even exist?

Bill

April 12th, 2011
8:03 am

Sue, AJC recently published an article that studied the tuition increases in Georgia after HOPE was implemented. Tuition in Georgia went up more slowly under HOPE than it did in the rest of the country. The notion that these institutions raised tuition to take advantage of HOPE is a fallacy. The reason for the increases in tuition is primarily the decrease in state funding. We used to view a college education as a public benefit – all of society benefited when someone was educated. Now, we view it as a private benefit – individual job training, with a focus on ROI.

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Bill

April 12th, 2011
8:08 am

Tom,
Actually, there is demand for welders right now, and to a lesser degree auto technicians. Plumbers, carpenters and electricians are likely to have a harder time given the surplus stock of houses.

Leslie

April 12th, 2011
8:19 am

Just b/c you go to a liberal arts college, doesn’t mean you have a “worthless degree”-hello.
I have a liberal arts degree, an a good job, and am still struggling to move on in my life to have children,etc b/c of prohibitive student loan debt-and that is after 2 years of community college, before transferring. My husband is a nurse, one of the most in-demand jobs right now, so we are both employed in good jobs, and having trouble moving to the next level in our future b/c of the more than $500/month in school loan payments, and we don’t carry almost any other debt, incl CC loans.
Don’t blame it on liberal arts education, blame it on the money making, greedy financial institutions that are ruining our country, and driving up debt. But what else is new?

Uncle Sam

April 12th, 2011
8:33 am

Join the military and have Uncle Sam pay for your education! I served 4 years in the USAF and completed 2 years while on active duty (for free!) I have a BS, Masters, and Specialist with ZERO debt/college loans. The time spent in the USAF was very valuable, too!

steph

April 12th, 2011
8:33 am

I’ve got over 11 years experience working in my field and recently my company hired another indivdual to work in the same capacity I am working in. This individual is a recent college grad, has no experience but is making $10k more than I am simply because he has a degree. Corporate America demands these degrees – they value degrees over experience! Thankfully, I am graduating college soon and although I will have $30k in student loans, I will be able to use my degree to position myself for a higher position with more responsibility.

steph

April 12th, 2011
8:38 am

@Uncle Sam…I too was in the military and if you’re receiving the Post 911 GI Bill, I would agree with your comments. If you were under the Ch 30 Montgomery GI Bill, I would disagree as there was a monthly cap on those educational expenses. They did not pay for housing, books or any other fees. My tuition exceeded the monthly payment from the VA and I had to take student loans out to cover the portion the GI bill did not cover.

electrician

April 12th, 2011
8:42 am

Bill…there is still a demand for electricians,Just not the ones that only wire houses,industrial electricians like myself that are trained in the repair and maintenance of industrial machinery are still in demand, and a lot of us are rapidly approaching retirement.its a 2 year course taught at most technical schools.spread the word to the young folks.

Mercer

April 12th, 2011
8:43 am

@Steph you are right. That is why I went back to school. Unless you work for a small private company that promote people who kiss their butt then you will need a degree. If you don’t have a degree in Corporate America you might as well just get use to seeing people move ahead you and making more money than you with no experience…. been there and got the T-shirt with matching leggins…

Elliot Garcia

April 12th, 2011
8:45 am

It’s time for you to wise up! All the skilled labor jobs have been shipped to China and Brazil. There are no more factory jobs in the U.S. Get a degree in math, finance or computer science or pay your college tuition back for 20 years…..

Biz

April 12th, 2011
8:48 am

Living in DC… Graduated from Tech Mechanical Engineer 06… 22K in student loan debt… I was actually pretty satisfied with amount. I’m down to about 17.5K now paying roughly $160 a month. I agree with the “worthless degree” statement – it’s an unfortunate and sad reality… BUT your degree is only worth what you are worth as a person in the working world. I just think that in the end people have to evaluate themselves to what they think they can do. I have a few friends with twice the student loan debt and no degree (drop outs after 5+ yrs of messing around) or the not so hot degree because they are lazy (environmental marketing). There are a bunch of people that you could blame for not getting your kids a job or them having too much student loan debt… but when does the person stop and say… “I have to do what’s best for me regardless of the conditions”. Everything is all good until it goes bad.

Destin Dawg

April 12th, 2011
8:52 am

Mercer… more school ?? grad degree in what ?? more debt ???? what kind of a job/career path do you have ???? a friend of mine’s son graduated Mercer… recently… he’s bar tending

GT student

April 12th, 2011
8:53 am

In my case and many others, the education is worth the debt, but I am an engineering major. Most likely after graduation I will be hired for a job paying $50+K. Georgia Tech is definitely one of the best values there is, even if I’m $20,000 in debt after 2 years with HOPE…

Biz

April 12th, 2011
8:53 am

to elaborate on the “worthless degree” comment… Some degrees require a little more footwork outside of school. Some degrees don’t. I got a job opportunity weekly as student at tech. Some I didn’t qualify for some I just wasn’t interested in. I have friends that went to schools across the state of Georgia that didn’t have that opportunity because their school didn’t give them that chance or their degree didn’t give them that chance. At that point its up to them to step up to the plate and fight for their place in the working world – it just is what it is.

Kelly

April 12th, 2011
8:54 am

All of these “ONLINE DEGREES” are worthless–those are such a SCAM! People who are lazy and do not want to work LOVE these schools bc they can sit at home and do nothing, and live off of the loans they receive. After they graduate with their WORTHLESS degree, they certainly cannot pay for their astronomical loans!

Destin Dawg

April 12th, 2011
8:55 am

and yes.. you can get a degree by joining the military.. better than student loans !!

Buzz G

April 12th, 2011
8:55 am

I worked my way through college in the late 1960s in a vegetable canning plant. The plant was staffed almost entirely with college students. As a result, I graduated with no debt.
Today that canning plan is still running. But it now runs on illegal alien labor. Local college students can no longer find summer jobs, so they borrow the money.

We need to throw out the illegal aliens and free up the jobs for our kids. And any politician, Democrat or Republican who gets in our way, needs to go. Go Tea Party!

Mercer

April 12th, 2011
9:01 am

Destin it sounds like your friend didn’t visit the career center at Mercer… Right now I work for an excellent State University college so I can go to Grad school and beyond for free…. so you bet I will be taking advantage of this service……

keith

April 12th, 2011
9:01 am

Right on, Destin Dawg. I worked two jobs and went to school in the 70’s to complete my degree. Got married in my last year and carried a full load and worked 40+ hours/wk. It wasn’t easy at all, but it was possible.

Eggergrl

April 12th, 2011
9:04 am

Too many people are going to schools they cannot afford and taking out massive amounts of loans that they hope someone else will pay for. Taxpayers beware, it will become your problem when the default rate rises even higher! Students need to look at local colleges. Your tax dollars are already subsidizing these schools.

Dr. Phil

April 12th, 2011
9:05 am

The real outrage concerning federal student loans is not so much those who graduate, but those who enter two and four year colleges under open admission with no intention of graduating or of repaying federal loans. Many students and parents see the college experience as an entitlement. A student taking remedial courses can remain in college for three semesters, receiving Pell Grants and Stafford Loans, and colleges in Georgia are happy to accommodate them. Georgia colleges presently have an administrative division with the sole purpose of obtaining grants and loans for students. Smaller colleges thrive on this source of tuition and fee income. Thank Sonny Perdue and his hand-picked Board of Regents for eliminating entrance requirements for two-year colleges. Likewise, private technical colleges exploit financial aid, promise job placement, and crank out graduates with huge debts that are essentially unemployable. The public and Federal Government must hold the Board of Regents responsible for financial-aid management and demand academic progress of students and require higher graduation rates for two and four-year colleges. Raising admission standards would be a good start.

Nick

April 12th, 2011
9:07 am

Colleges and universities are simply ripping off the students! In 1971 as an out of state student attending a small school in MD my annual cost of attendance was $1800. Now, an in-state student would be hard pressed to get into that school for $18,000. How come? How did the cost of a college education increase more than: clothing, housing, energy costs, etc?

The Baroness

April 12th, 2011
9:07 am

Destin Dawg and Time to Wise Up: 100% correct!!

Homer

April 12th, 2011
9:09 am

I graduated from UGA with a Business Ad degree in 1976. The employment rate was as bad then as it is now. I was fortunate to find a job in a K Mart as an assistant manager. At that time GA Tech grads with EE and Aerospace degrees were working in similar retail environments. In the early ’80s I made the decision to get some technical training and I have been gainfully employed ever since.

The difference between 1976 and 2011 is that we didn’t graduate with a lot of debt. College was affordable and most parents could afford to pay the tuition. I feel sorry for today’s grads because of the debt. Enjoy the little bit of disposable income you have. Things will get better.

Destin Dawg

April 12th, 2011
9:09 am

Mercer what grad degree are you planning ??

Homer

April 12th, 2011
9:12 am

Buzz G, explain to me how you can can vegetables and text at the same time. IIllegal aliens aren’t the issue. Get off your soapbox.

AJANI

April 12th, 2011
9:15 am

I am a counselor and tell my kids everyone can go on to higher education but that the definition of that has changed. Higher education is anything beyond a high school education. Trade schools, junior colleges, 4yr colleges & universities and certification programs are all types of higher education. Many certification programs can now be completed while in high school. A complete guidance of ALL options should be available to kids and they should select their paths in life. I tell kids to start researhing scholarships in middle school don’t wait until junior year and try to figure a finiancial plan because you will have debt. Planning is the best tool to help students in the future not guessing which degree is better.

Mercer

April 12th, 2011
9:16 am

@Destin either I will pursue a Computer Information Systems degree or an Middle-Secondary Education & Instructional Technology

Cdawg

April 12th, 2011
9:17 am

I took out student loans for my education but I also worked while in school to help pay the bills. I graduated 19 years ago and back then student loans were hard to get and there were tight limits on how much you could borrow. I don’t know if any of that has changed personally but it seems like it has. For me loans covered what grants and paychecks wouldn’t cover. I had manageable debt after school and payed it off over 10 years. Not sure if I could do today what I did back then. Back then and today I always believed and I think I saw a study one time that agreed, the federal government would save money and help more people giving grants instead of backing loans. Course there is no money to be made in grants.

tar and feathers party

April 12th, 2011
9:18 am

The “Five Year Party” clowns are complaining about the cost of the party? Too bad, pay up, deadbeats!

sven

April 12th, 2011
9:19 am

Every parent today thinks their kid is special and brilliant. Wrong. Most of them are fat and stupid.

commoncents

April 12th, 2011
9:26 am

My parents and I knew college would be expensive. I kept my grades up and kept HOPE while working at the same time, and they worked hard and saved what they could to pay for the rest. The end result? I graduated debt free.

My room mate spent six years at the same school, never graduated, and also racked up 60K in student loans that his parents kept co-signing on. What did he get out of all those loans? A flat screen tv, xbox, video games, and large bar tabs. (he has since joined the armed forces to pay back the debt. first paycheck he got, he bought a new truck)

College is not for everyone, and it is not cheap. No one is entitled to it

lars

April 12th, 2011
9:28 am

sven,

Spot-on. Americans vote against their own self interest for tax cuts for billionaires. Meanwhile, in Europe we provide free education, healthcare, and 8 weeks paid vacation. Socialism rocks, capitalism is slavery.

MackyO

April 12th, 2011
9:29 am

I did not choose to go to college, as I was so over how awful my GA high school was, I couldn’t stand the thought of continuing on the same path of crushing students down to the least common denominator. That being said, I studied on my own, bought books, spent hours upon hours at home learning new technical skills, and recently was making over 90K a year.

I’ve watched time and time again new people came into our office right out of college with Psychology degrees, Political Science degrees, and English degrees, and you know what they were doing? Accounting. Yes, the only job they could find was was punching check amounts into a computer. Plus, almost every one had the work ethic of, “I graduated, so pay me”, and they were the first ones at our small-mid sized business to say consistently, “that’s not my job” whenever someone asked them for help.

Judge Smails

April 12th, 2011
9:31 am

The world needs ditch diggers too……….

Michael

April 12th, 2011
9:31 am

Probably 95% of law schools exist just to pay staff, faculty and return all their unspent tuition to the larger University. There are no labs, no experiments, no broad based studies or surveys. You just read books in classes with 100 other students. That will be $30,000 per year, please.

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
9:35 am

Destin Dawg

April 12th, 2011
6:57 am

In my day parents assumed that responsibility and we did for our son . It’s a matter of planning and priorities.

yeah

April 12th, 2011
9:35 am

Ultimate success depends on what school you chose and the grades you make while you are there. Going to KSU for 4 or 5 years and making mediocre grades doesn’t do many people good. Going to GT and making great grades (which is anything above a 3.3 at that school) will set you up nicely and open doors that would otherwise be closed. After you get work experience…the degree becomes somewhat of a formality. KSU, GSCU, Valdosta State, etc degrees are dime a dozen….they cant all get good jobs. The college degree is becoming the new high school degree….I feel for anyone who didn’t finish high school.

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
9:38 am

One of my early bosses used to say it was a good thing we all didn’t have degrees, we’d never get anything done.

Mishap

April 12th, 2011
9:41 am

You all realize that tuition went up nationwide right? It’s not like HOPE paid tuition at all those schools. GA schools have to compete to get good faculty in order to maintain their rankings and attractiveness to students which is why you have professors getting 300k/yr to lecture a few hours a week and give the test key to their TA’s. Student loans and lax standards are allowing people to borrow far more money than a degree is worth. This is all b/c we tell every kid that the only way to a future is through a college degree whether or not the kid can even read. Then we wind up w/ 3rd tier/4th tier private schools that accept anyone w/ a pulse and the ability to sign a finaid form. It’s subprime mortgages all over again.

Taking a 10-15k loan out of GT/GSU/UGA etc is more than likely sustainable since you can come out and make a decent enough salary (even 35k is enough to pay that down). If you work part time, you can probably do just fine if you hang onto HOPE. On the other hand, taking out 40-50k to go to a supposedly elite private liberal arts school w/ a 95% acceptance rate to get a degree in leisure studies will most likely end in financial ruin but not for 5-10yrs while they defer the loan, go to grad school, or live in their parents basement to scrape together payments.

If you want to stop the excessive borrowing that is fueling $40-50M gym/student centers (GT & UGA are guilty of this), then publish student loan default rates and adjust student loan interest rates based on that. Good schools will stand out and bad schools will fall off the face of the earth. Unfortunately, this will shine far too much light on the education industry’s profit centers and probably go very negatively against underrepresented minorities (they do need access to education…just not blanket loans to sketchy schools). Sure no one is forcing you to sign on the dotted line but once you’ve started, your education up till that point is worthless until you get the sheet of paper saying you’ve finished. That’s a big incentive for people to take on private loans once they’ve exhausted even subsidized loans.

I have ~27k in student loans left from about a peak of 37k (22k of that from an MBA I’m finishing in 3 weeks) that I should be out of in ~4yrs but it’s not an undue burden given the payment is less than 5% of my monthly gross and my salary growth over the last 2 yrs is more than the entire program’s cost. In my travels interviewing, I met more than a few full time MBA students that bet it all (100k+ in loans + 2yrs of lost income) to go for the same level jobs I’m looking at. Even w/ a fat six figure paycheck, it’ll take quite a while to work that debt down.

Alto2

April 12th, 2011
9:41 am

Mercer………………..you obviously didn’t major in English. Check your spelling and grammar and you’ll be a lot more credible.

Michael

April 12th, 2011
9:43 am

All these for-profit colleges like Phoenix and the bartending schools that have existed for years have greatly increased the bottom line on student loan debt. 20 years ago Southern Tech in Marietta was the degree granting center. There was a Computer Learning Center school in Norcross that got shut down in Norcross 10 years ago when the Dept of Education (finally) determined it was letting anyone in just so they could get student loans that would finance the school’s existence.

The for-profit and the traditional schools often sell “college degree gets you more money” but nothing about a political science degree will get you there. If you must go to trade school then do something related to jobs that cannot be outsourced and must be done here. Medical, electrical, automotive, computer repair (mainframes, not PC’s), construction, landscaping — you can’t send those jobs to China.

Mercer

April 12th, 2011
9:45 am

@Alto2 let me guess… you only finished your GED right????? Get off my back it’s a blog not a critical essay…

yeah

April 12th, 2011
9:46 am

And for the record, parents are partly to blame for this problem. They pamper and take care of many college students by paying bills for them while they just go out and party every night. As a student at GT, I saw so many of these free loaders, mostly greek of course, who would just get drunk every night and make piss poor grades. If you make your kid pick up their own slack…I guarantee you they will take it more seriously. I know this isn’t the case for all college kids, but I was one of the few people from my group of friends who had a job during college and paid all my own bills. At 18 your an adult…quit giving your kids a reason to never grow up and maybe they will make something of their education.

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
9:48 am

Can’t anyone besides me see that these loans are a big drag on our economy?

GPS

April 12th, 2011
9:51 am

Take a look at the Georgia Professional Standards and you will see that personal finance IS part of the Economics curriculum in high school. It’s not just the schools job to educate your children.

Grammar Patrol

April 12th, 2011
9:53 am

Mercer…. Please try to use more commas and periods in your sentences. If have to write you a ticket, it will be ugly!

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
9:54 am

YOU ARE an adult at 21 in my book. Enjoy YOUR youth, YOU’RE only young once! I only have a College GED even though I grew up in the shadow of UT and had the highest GPA in my class in the 7th grade among children of scientists. And then along came puberty! Of course I attended numerous training classes in my working career and attended an excellent tech school in the USAF. We need to utilize our military schools to train civilians instead of closing them.

KSU and Beyond

April 12th, 2011
9:57 am

Don’t get me wrong, I have debt from school and I received HOPE. I did not get a worthless degree. I got a Science degree that was worth it and has allowed me to get the job I have now. However, in order to go further, I being the only female in an entirely all male environment for technical positions and above I will need a Graduate degree to assure that I will not be overlooked for promotions. I work for a company where even as a male with 20 plus years for the company, if you like comics and don’t hide it you may not be recognized for a promotion that you deserve. So now I am having to weight the options and it scares me that it will cost $35K to get an MBA in a program geared for working individuals. $35K for a 16 month program; when you break that down to per month that is equivalent to my monthly bills not including my husband’s student debt already, how can I afford to add that to my existing student debt. I will be working my entire life to pay for the education that got me my job, that just allows me to survive, not enjoy life or prepare for my children, so they don’t end up where I am now in 25 years.

KSU and Beyond

April 12th, 2011
10:10 am

To Yeah… Wow just because you seem to have graduated from GT, does not mean someone from KSU or GSCU cannot hold their own. Frankly I remember while I was in college and working a particular GT Chemistry major coming to me for tutoring and help understanding what she was doing at work.

Amazing

April 12th, 2011
10:22 am

I paid for my college through a combination of scholarships, and work study programs. My parents covered room and board. Of the 3 children, only my yougest brother did not attend college as he decided he wanted to serve in the Marines.

My wife and I saved and prepared for our children’s college education. We have one child attending a private university in the Northeast (not an Ivy League school). She is happy and thriving while pursuing a worthwhile degree. We foot the entire bill. However, we have taught her responsibility and she has been working hard to find a part time job to contribute. She has been unsuccessful in that endeavor so far. We also did something a little different. When she turned 18, we had her sign a legal contract to repay us for part of her education (interest free). The amount she has to repay represents 7% of the total cost. She now has skin in the game. We have not told her this but when she graduates successfully, we will forgive the debt. We will be taking the same approach with our youngest daughter when she starts college next year.

In my opinion, all college degrees are useful. That does not mean everyone should or must go to college. It is our job as parents to help guide our children down the right path while they make their life choices. If you can not afford to attend a $50,000 a year institution, then our job as a parent is to inform the child of the limitations.

I have seen people with questionable work ethics throughout my career. Some were college educated and some were not. I have worked with people who have great work ethics. Some were college educated and some were not. It is also unfair to make some of the generalizations that have been in this post about those with college degrees and their work ethnic.

UgaAllTheWay

April 12th, 2011
10:23 am

There is a lot of ignorance and assumptions about degrees. I went to UGA for a computer science degree. I graduated with honors out of high school with a dual seal diploma and two professional technical certifications. I started college with 3 credits. I took no summer classes. I graduated in four years, on time, and with NO DEBT. My first job paid less than $44k with no benefits (Spring 2009). After raises, promotions, and job hops, I am now at $72k with full benefits and still no debt other than my mortgage at age 24. Without college, none of this would have been possible.

sven

April 12th, 2011
10:24 am

Playing the blame game. It’s the way of America. Embrace socialism. Free healthcare and education. Although, I must say I prefer your bathing suits to my European huggers.

Tyrone Biggums

April 12th, 2011
10:25 am

You’ll start seeing the quality of public schools increase, as smart kids who normally would go to private schools are going to be steered towards the cheaper in-state school by their parents.

SR

April 12th, 2011
10:30 am

No one minds going into debt for an education that will help you land a job with a decent salary. You know, a salary that pays the basics of the overhead of life and then leaves you with something to save, and build a life with. AFTER TAXES. However, in recent years, before the financial collapse the truth was that salaries were NOT GOING UP. In all of that windfall that banks and builders, and mortgage reps were taking…all of the greasing of palms…workers were not getting better raises, wages were really more or less stagnant. This is not greed…it’s STINGINESS. And it’s a sin. And IT’S THE ONE we’re all paying for most. You have to live with an open hand and let the blessing flow on to others or the economy will DIE.

As for the government paying for college. NO. We can NOT pay for everyone’s healthcare, and their pre-natal care, and their food stamps, and their college. HOW ABOUT we create a growing thriving economy, of low taxes, where people who are able can work and earn a wage and put away for their own things. If we do that then we’ll have services for the truly NEEDY.

lars

April 12th, 2011
10:31 am

Liberal arts is the last bastion of civilization. Many on this blog would prefer everyone sell insurance for sustenance and watch t.v. for culture.

Athens Mike

April 12th, 2011
10:40 am

I don’t think everyone needs to go the traditional college route. I did, and although I have done just fine for myself, I would have happily gone to a place like UTI, which trains Porsche and other manufacturer specific mechanics. These people do well for themselves because they are specialized and technical. A normal four year degree is not for everyone and we should not all be convinced of that.

I have college loans, which I have no problem paying each month. I lost hope, because I skipped too many classes and held on with 2.95 GPA at graduation. I could not get scholarships because I was not poor or a minority. All that said, I have been just fine with the loans I took out and the four year degree I have, but the options were never made very clear to me in High school. Had they have been, I might have taken a different route.

We don’t all need a four year marketing degree.

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nestle

April 12th, 2011
10:44 am

I received a 4yr degree and I’m working at at Masters degree in my hometown. The college is private and the only one in the area. I have thousands of dollars in student loans. If I could change it around I would have went to a technical college for 2 years and went into health care. It’s awful that you now have to choose buying a house verses paying student loans because you want to better yourself and provide a decent living yourself and your family.

It Can Be Done

April 12th, 2011
10:45 am

When my child was born in 1985 we started putting money aside for college. We also funded our retirement. In 2003, our daughter graduated from high school, and chose to go to an out of state college, so no HOPE. She received a BS in exercise science. This May she graduates with a Doctorate in Physical Therapy, and has a job lined up. She worked part time/full time in her undergrad years but not during the 9 semesters of graduate school. She has ZERO student loans. We made her education a priority. Granted, we only had one child, but we did it. We are average middle class people, both primarily school teachers. However, I quit teaching in 2002, and we still managed things on one income. I am certain many will criticize me, but we have managed our income and weathered all the ups and downs of the economy like everyone else.

Homer

April 12th, 2011
10:45 am

“I work for a company where even as a male with 20 plus years for the company, if you like comics and don’t hide it you may not be recognized for a promotion that you deserve.”

What is that all about? I’m getting the impression that the “K” in KSU stands for Kooky.

Just sayin

April 12th, 2011
10:50 am

Many have mentioned earlier that the for-profit and online degree diploma mills have made a mockery of higher education. The biggest joke is the online doctoral degrees. Ughh. I know several teachers who are in six figure student loan debt from an online degree program. If you talk to them for ten minutes you realize they do not have the skill set to work in a pie factory. Then, we ask what is happening to public education. Their poor children will not be able count on mam or dad for assistance for college because they will be paying for their student laon mess. It amkes you think….what is going to happen when this education bubble bursts or shall i say BUST?

a real mother and teacher

April 12th, 2011
10:52 am

As a mother of two and an educator, I tell my kids now ( and they are elementary age) that the only degrees we will pay for will be science, math, engineering, technology. Case closed….

Mishap

April 12th, 2011
10:53 am

Mercer,
50k of debt is almost $600/mon for a decade. I hope you’ve got a line on some six figure jobs right after graduation. The student loan interest deduction is also subject to a phase out above 60k so it’s actually closer to $800/mon since you’d have to pay from after tax income if you make above 75k AGI.

If you’re looking at an income under 60k, then it’s not taxable but that’s at least ~12% of your annual gross. If you need to buy a home or a car, you’re going to be seriously squeezed. It’s going to be a lot of ramen to be able to save for a house. If you stretch the loan beyond 10 yrs, that 50k is going to still be around when you should be looking toward your own kids’ college funds. As it is, I feel like I’m spending too much and my car (only 4 payments left)/mortgage/student loan@5yr repayment only add up to 16% of my gross.

Student loan debt can be ok debt but it still goes against limits toward mortgages. Normally, you shouldn’t exceed 36% of your gross against recurring debt but that doesn’t leave a whole lot to actually save for a 20% down or to find much house that fits in under the limits.

I’m not trying to be really negative but you’re taking on a similar folly that thousands of people have done before. I thought long and hard about taking on my current debt (27k across 3 degrees) but given I was getting badly squeezed on taxes being single w/o dependents, I decided to buy a home in ‘09 w/ 20% down and had to take a loan to cover my tuition when I changed jobs and lost about 10k in tuition reimbursements but since made up in salary increases.

Debra

April 12th, 2011
10:58 am

After 6 years of College and $30,000 worth of loans yet to pay off, my son is working at Kroger.

a real mother and teacher

April 12th, 2011
10:59 am

….and you will work while in school and make decent grades. If you don’t work and flunk out, you will have to work a minimum of 2 jobs if plan to come live in my home. No adults will waste my money in school and then expect to come and be a grown burden to me…..

Mercer

April 12th, 2011
11:10 am

@Mishap I don’t plan on paying off my loan in 10 years. 600.00 a month is impossible for me. I don’t make 75K . I make under 40K. I already brought a house and didn’t like home ownership so I sold it and now I rent. I plan on being a professional student so that I can play a little as I can on my loan. I will pay it off when I turn 90…. I am just glad to have a degree. I was not lucky enough for my parents to pay my way through school because they didn’t want me to go to college in the first place….. I am happy I went though. I wanted a degree and now I have one.

Miss Manners

April 12th, 2011
11:11 am

Something is backwards here, it seems that if women have children out of wedlock and have multiply children with different daddies (no offense) to the children for they are a blessing, it seems the government will find a way to support these women, yet on the other hand you have women who go to college and possible be the first one in their generation or family and bleieving they will be able to pay back loans because they didn’t know how to look for scholarships about time they receive their degree its almost like they should buy it and it’s hard to find a good paying job to be able to pay the loan back. SMH. There is something seriously wrong with the system.

Eric

April 12th, 2011
11:14 am

So I realize that my career path is NOT typical but I want to share that you can have a good career without a degree, it’s harder, but possible. I am a high school drop out who took GED classes, passed and then went to a small business school for 9 months in 1990 and took some accounting classes. Then I was hired as an Accounts Payable Clerk for a large company. I now have over 20 years of professional experience, I’m a Senior Manager and an Anaylst and make a very respectable salary. Both of the companies I have worked for valued my intelligence and willingness to take on new responsibilities while learning all of the in’s and out’s of the business. Now I’m the guy they come to when there is a problem that needs a solution.

I’m not saying this is the right career path by any means. I am actually going back to school this summer to finally work on my degree. Not so much because it will help me in my career at this point, but because it’s a personal goal of mine. I will say that times have changed in the employment market and there are definitely less opportunities to get in the door without a degree, but it is still possible. My company would probably not hire someone without a degree right now, but that is more a product of this economy. There are thousands of people with a degree in search of a job, so companies can be more picky. When the economy turns around, and it will, there will be more options. I still think college is the right choice if you plan on working in a white collar field, because without it you have to work twice as hard to prove yourself, or the doors of opportunity will slam shut in your face.

College is definitely not for every child, but for those in search of a professional job, it’s damn near a requirement these days. That said, the amount of debt college grads have when leaving college is just the cost of doing business. In years past college tuition was kept low through government help. Right now our government is deeper in debt than ever before and can’t afford to pay for college education. If you think it’s your right to a college degree at the expense of the government, you are no different than a single welfare mom sitting on her butt collecting a check each month. Nobody is entitled to an education unless you are willing to pay for it. Yes college is seriously expensive, but it’s the right option for those that want a professional career that spans a lifetime. If you are unsure about your career path, I would hold off on college because it’s not worth the expense if you can’t put it to use.

Now one more comment…I’ve seen a lot of people say that “internet” degrees are worthless. You really need to open your eyes a little bit. Just about EVERY college is now offering classes online, including major two and four year colleges. I would have agreed with that statement a number of years ago when they first hit the market. But things are shifting in education, and it’s actually a lot harder to pass classes offered online through a real college because you have to have serious self discipline. The classes require self motivation and focus and the testing requirements are the same as a traditional class. This option is NOT for everyone. Most young students do not have the focus to take on these classes and be successful. I will be attending a MAJOR college for the summer semester and will be taking approximately 65% of my classes online. During my counseling session I was told that I should only take online courses if I am committed and focused because the success rate for these classes is much lower. I will say there are internet based degrees that are crap, but if you stick with a major university, like GA State, it provides more flexibility for adult students who have a career, but are also self motivated.

The bottom line is you have to weigh your options carefully and do a risk/reward assessment when deciding on a career path. College isn’t right for everyone, but still a great option for some. You also have to be careful when looking at a technical school because many of those jobs have dried up, and a lot of the one’s that still exist are only open to college grads with a technical degree.

Best of luck to all of those in search of a job.

True Trans

April 12th, 2011
11:15 am

“We care about education” is just another hot political catch phrase. With all the liberal teachers(and their semi-worthless social studies classes) and their taxpayer money leaching unions(some teachers are still under paid); it is a joke nowadays. I had over $130,000 student loan debt, that I have been slowly chipping away at the low, low price of $700/month for 30 years. What is worse, I have a friend with over $250,000 student loan debt. All my friends have had their salaries cut or kept neutral for 2-3 years now, but college tuition keeps going up(waaaaaayyyyyyy uppppppp). America though keeps falling behind China and Europe. We care about education? I have multiple international friends, their high school education is very comparable to our college courses!!! They were taking histology and microbiology, while I was forced to complete my university studies required classes. One the classes I had to choose from was called, “Men, Women and Society.” It was taught by a lesbian female boxer and one of her best friends and a guest speaker was a woman who was arrested for breaking out a prisoner that she was responsible for guarding in jail. But wait there is more, she had us watch a video on African American homosexual male relationships, and it had a 10 minute XXX scene in it (which felt like an hour). I am sure there is a place and time for such classes; and addressing tolerance and prejudices is extremely important; but at $258 a credit hour(3-4 credit hour class), I just don’t know??? The problems are many and the solutions are not as easy to come up with. We need to constantly debate, discuss, and reinvent new ways and ideas to teach. My best teachers were the ones that kept my interest and instilled passion into the subject matters; not just reading from a text book. The governments solution at throwing billions at the problem doesn’t work, the government uses their naked eyes, when the problems need to looked at with an electron microscope. I think private schools succeed because they are smaller, their is better supervision, and if they stink, they go out of business. I think these are potential models for future consideration. When I come home from work and the entire subdivision has kids running and screaming around and through everyone’s yards, I think we have a problem with our schools and the parents.

Eric

April 12th, 2011
11:17 am

Miss Manners…you need a little more education yourself if you thought that post was legible. Does anyone even know what she was trying to say?

Dee

April 12th, 2011
11:18 am

How many college kids would apply for a job working at a canning company or any other manufacturing or factory type industry (like any are available or hiring) to pay for college?…absolutely NONE…don’t blame illegal aliens for doing the jobs our kids wouldn’t dare consider even if that was the only option to pay for their education…they would rather choose not to attend college…BANK ON IT…most kids are going to college, boring money, so they can put off working and paying bills…you blame them? Face it, kids these days are lazy…period.

kmmmm

April 12th, 2011
11:19 am

I think society is placing tooo much emphasis on kids getting a college degree. It places a false since of security to the student and create the possiblity of feeling time wasted when you have all these degrees but no job. I started attending college partime, because I had to work to pay for it. I was lucky enough to be offered a full time position and had to quit school becasue the money was good. Now, I’ see friends of mine who turned down the opportuntiy to work and continued their education with hopes that it will pay off in the end. Many Years later I now, make around $60,00 a year( which is not much) and they are still looking for the right job that will pay what they are entitle to for the degree they’ve received. I encourged my kids to attend college, but work like i did’ but both were asked to work full time what started as a part-time job with decent money and had to let college go. I did not have a problem with it.

Ms. Obvious

April 12th, 2011
11:24 am

If the HOPE scholarship was such a curse that created such a mega bubble for tuition rates, then why are GA colleges year after year considered to be some of the most affordable in the nation? I must agree that we need to stop sending our kids to school to get psychology, art, and history degrees. We need to focus our kids who want to go to college, and encourage math, science and engineering degrees since this is what will help our country the most, and it is where the job markets are growing. If you love art, do art on the side, if you love to write, write on the side. I got a degree in Education so that I could teach writing during the school year, and spend my summers indulging in my true passion, and I am able to still get a pay check. It kills me to see kids going to school for art, rack up $40,000 in debt, and at best be able to get a job making $35K a year. If my kid decides to go to school for something like art, she is paying her own way. The HOPE scholarship is not to blame. The blame should be put on people putting down technical education, and real degrees in favor of party degrees.

counterpoint

April 12th, 2011
11:31 am

We need to get over the myth that college is for everyone and it is the only way to break through the poverty ceiling. Our federal government also needs to cut grants and funding for some of these folks to go to college, we cannot continue to go in debt for the unknown. Our nation’s youth needs to find out how to work for something and not have it given to them. And yes, this is another reason to get rid of illegals, put our college students back to work!

And sorry Bill, Sue is right! HOPE has perpetuated the myth that college is a must for the poor. Also, HOPE has caused our tuition here in GA to spiral out of control. Look at other states and their university systems and you will see what HOPE has done to tuition here. I could send my kid to better schools in the University of NC system and even pay out of state tuition and still get a better deal that here in GA.

Has anyone ever seen how little a monthly payment can be on a college loan debt? It is not like credit card debt where the interest rate is huge. You can take your entire life to pay off student loans as long as you pay it back!

George

April 12th, 2011
11:33 am

Another great Government Scam!! The big 4 things gov. is involved in just keeps going up in cost. Education, HealthCare, Government itself and Oil.

counterpoint

April 12th, 2011
11:39 am

“America though keeps falling behind China and Europe.”

That’s because the USA has a myriad of cultures and nationalities to attempt to educate. Other countries don’t have the problems we do because for the past several decades, our immigration policies have let whoever in into our country without regards to it’s impact.

Immigration into this country has destroyed our public education system. It will not get better until we don’t have to educate the World for FREE!

@Dee You are so WRONG with your opinions and you know it! The reality is illegals have shown our youth and many adults how to buck the system and it’s laws. Illegals have taught our citizens its okay to be dishonest, you don’t have to pay for your mistakes! If an illegal can get away with “it”, why can’t I?

Mishap

April 12th, 2011
11:41 am

True Trans,
Did your degree include a Lexus in there? I’m hoping that includes a JD or MD in the totals. What school in good conscience hand you that kind of debt load unless you have the definite ability to pay for it? My alma mater was $35k/yr in tuition but they handed out 10-20k/yr in grants/scholarships based on need. The secret to avoiding too much debt was taking more classes. I finished in 3 yrs and my younger brother did his in 2.5 there. The only people I know w/ six figures of school debt tend to be medical professionals or lawyers and most of them clear 200-500k so a 10yr payoff is within reach.

As for private schools…they aren’t models for success b/c they’re often dependent on gov’t grants that mask their true cost. They also lobby heavily for vouchers to reduce their costs and obfuscate accountability by gaming the system in similar ways to public schools (drop outs are “transfers” etc). Private schools are at best marginally more successful than public counterparts given they’re often allowed to cherry pick their students to those that would succeed regardless and those that don’t often hang on for years playing with kids futures.

The Domino Effect

April 12th, 2011
11:45 am

Dee you are full of crap! Illegals have been degrading our society little by little for quite a while. Their world of fake documents and lies to obtain a job here in the US have showed many that it was easy to falsify documents to get a house, etc. The actions of illegals have caused our citizens to cop the attitude – if they can get away with it, then I should too. Entitlement is a disease that is now widespead in our country and illegals have show our once good citizens all the tricks of the trade!

lance

April 12th, 2011
11:55 am

The Obama administration has a plan for low-earning student borrowers to get out of debt, with income-based repayment that forgives remaining federal student debt for those who pay 15 percent of their income for 25 years — or 10 years, if they work in public service.

Ahhh… the public sector – let’s get more working for the government – and produce more of “nothing” of value other than more debt and taxes so we can finally force anyone out of America who has money. Heck, we need more dirt roads and shanty towns anyway.

Worth Repeating ...

April 12th, 2011
11:59 am

…. The biggest joke is the online doctoral degrees. Ughh. I know several teachers who are in six figure student loan debt from an online degree program. If you talk to them for ten minutes you realize they do not have the skill set to work in a pie factory. Then, we ask what is happening to public education.

Amen!

Worth Repeating ...

April 12th, 2011
12:06 pm

… Private schools are at best marginally more successful than public counterparts given they’re often allowed to cherry pick their students to those that would succeed regardless and those that don’t often hang on for years playing with kids futures …

Also, private schools are a waste of money for alot of people as that money could be spent on a college education and/or the parent’s retirement fund. People through good money away with the myth their little darlings are getting superior and premium when they are only getting better that average. Private schools are also set up for the student not to fail, something you don’t get when the real world knocks you down.

Mishap

April 12th, 2011
12:25 pm

counterpoint,
Europe isn’t a monolithic race/religion. They have plenty of immigrants they like to demonize as well. Asia tends to have less diversity but the real reason why Asian countries are more successful in education is because they separate out those suited for college from those that are not much earlier. They push education really hard but by the time you reach HS, you know who is headed for vocational training and who is going to college. Coupled w/ the massive populations in China/India and you’re going to have a lot of very smart people and that’s why we are having trouble competing. Close to 1/3 of India is illiterate but those aren’t the people fighting for our jobs…it’s the 300M+ people in that top quarter of the intelligence spectrum that are going to drink our milkshake.

mum

April 12th, 2011
12:39 pm

Lance, you do realize the the public service means the military, police officers, firefighters, scientists doing research at the CDC don’t you? Are you saying that these people are freeloaders? Unfortunately, politicians are supposed to be public servants and we pay their salaries, but they seem to only serve themselves, but that’s another conversation. So, what’s your point??????

counterpoint

April 12th, 2011
12:51 pm

@ Mishap The “diversity” in the US is unmatched by anyone in the World. And you can’t break immigration laws in those counties like you can here in the US. Truth is we are not a melting pot, our politically correct society does not encourage conformity. We cannot continue to attempt to educate the World here in our public schools. When the masses include dozens of cultures, that is what happens – FAILURE.

lance

April 12th, 2011
1:35 pm

No, I’m not saying those you listed are freeloaders. What I am saying is the government doesn’t produce anything per se. We have government employees retiring at 53 (such as former police chief of SF Heather Fong – $277,656 per year, James Lynch, assistant police chief at $252,997). More than 1 in 3 San Francisco city workers have pensions exceeding $100,000 with over 100 exceeding $200,000. They have a deputy police chief who made $516,118 in 2009.

I have a friend who retired from the IRS who has a pension of over $75,000/year plus health benefits. These are but a few examples of government waste in my opinion.

Many government workers save zero, yet have pensions those in the private sector can only dream about. We in the private sector can look forward to maybe 18 grand tops from social security.

At one time those who worked for the government were called servants… now, those who generate tangible products which are tangible are serving those who work for the government.

And, government employees now make more on average than those in the private sector doing the same job. The salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

So, if you think increasing the size of government is good – OK. I don’t.

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
1:53 pm

Well, I WAS impressed by the quality of the contributions here, but they’ve degraded.

The government invests in education and reaps a return through taxes on higher incomes the well educated earn.

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
1:58 pm

Part of what the government produces (spends?) is included in GDP, so somebody must think it is valuable. We’re trending in the right direction with private sector jobs slowly on the rise and government jobs being eliminated. HOPE springs eternal!

Jackson

April 12th, 2011
2:10 pm

“The government invests in education and reaps a return through taxes on higher incomes the well educated earn.”

That is the old train of thought and what we have now is a trainwreck!

DB

April 12th, 2011
3:00 pm

I’m amazed at the amount of ‘experts’ arguing back and forth on this blog (and other blogs). No wonder, there are very few intelligent politicians, economists, Rhodes Scholars, and successful CEOs out there; they are all commenting on this blog! Look; the fact of the matter is that none of you have the answers; most have a one-sided view of the world only seen through your own eyes. It’s one thing to have ‘opinions’, its another to call someone WRONG because their opinion and experiences differ from yours… *Climbs off soapbox. But, by all means, keep arguing… Its very entertaining!

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
3:02 pm

The trainwreck was the Ivy League cowboy who wasn’t willing to pay for two wars, Homeland Security and Medicare Part ‘D’, and then had the gall to suggest privatizing Social Security after giving the money needed for transition away in tax cuts.

TnGelding

April 12th, 2011
3:04 pm

I’d opine that we all have workable answers. At least it wouldn’t hurt to try them. The pols are paralyzed.

Peepeye

April 12th, 2011
3:06 pm

According to the New Republic, the largest for profit college, the University of Phoenix, graduates less than 10% of its students within 10 years. Each person who goes to Phoenix leaves with debt of between $40,000 – $60,000.

Peepeye

April 12th, 2011
3:31 pm

The thing that most people need to remember like all of the “other shoulds” in our lives is that they’re not for everyone.

Everyone does not need to go to college.

Everyone does not need to buy a house.

Everyone does not need to get married.

Everyone does not need to have children.

Most people would disagree but everyone does not need to have a job. I know plenty of people who have a job and all they do is mess it up.

So, before you sign on and become an “indentured debt slave,” you need to really evaluate what you want and need.

My rule is anything that I have pay for more than a few years, I don’t want it.

lars

April 12th, 2011
4:06 pm

peep for prez

KC

April 13th, 2011
1:25 am

I think all these comments are very interesting I am a 24 year old college graduate (graduated at 23) and am 23,000 in debt (right around the average). I was lucky enough to find a decent job, but I’m definitely not where I want to be and feeling the student loan burden already. If I had the choose to go back knowing what I know now I would of still went to college. I feel that I did everything right: didn’t borrower more than I needed, worked all 5 years, had a great GPA. When I look at my friends who graduated doing everything totally opposite of me and coming out with little to no student debt I find that crazy! I need to do more research on the HOPE scholarship but I think financial aid should be based on merit not need. If these businesses are wanting competent workers WITH degrees then the little financial aid avaliable should go to the students who deserve it.

Hmm...

April 13th, 2011
1:44 am

Henry, the brilliant gentleman and scholar Charles Hugh Smith addresses the truth of this scam in his blog today. oftwominds dot com

Destin Dawg

April 13th, 2011
6:14 am

Mercer, the bar tender is making more than you are !!! and has a career path to Management that could be up to $100 K… casual dining… we need tech majors in medical, engineering, business and math/science teachers… not lawyers !!

dont know what to do

April 13th, 2011
8:45 am

i agree that student loan debts are ruining many yung people out of college. take me for instance i defualted on my student loan that i thought was in deferment. i got back on track with sallie mae paying them every month. next thing i know my wages are being garnished by a third party saying they work for sallie mae. how do i figure this out. everytime i call sallie mae and try to get someone on the line, i speak to someone with a strong arabic accent and cant understand, when i ask for their supervisor they just keep me on hold thirty minutes at a time…is their anyone i can send a letter to, to get this straightened out?

Lindsey

April 13th, 2011
12:25 pm

Hey Destin Dawg, I have a full time paying job with my liberal arts degree. My husband is a middle grade math teacher who is looking for a job. Guess who brings home the bacon, I am thankful for my liberal arts degree, at least it is a degree is something. GO DAWGS!!

Mercer

April 13th, 2011
12:32 pm

You tell em Lindsey!!! Go Bears!!! Liberal degrees are REAL!

HARDTIME=THINKHARD

April 13th, 2011
2:52 pm

HARD TIME, better THINK HARD:
TECH SCHOOL IS GOOD SOLUTION if you can’t afford one at this economy crisis.
I am a college graduate, but I think Tech schools do give you the real skills that you need to do the job well and well-paid for a short period of time (9-14 mos.). eg. Aviation Technician or Medical Assistant. My cousin is an Aviation Technician. He has a great job and great benefits.

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Free ain't always free

April 14th, 2011
8:17 am

@Uncle Sam

First, thank you for serving our country and being part of the military that protects our nation but please understand that your education was not “free”. Everyone in the country (a lot of those currently struggling to pay off student loan debt) chipped in by paying taxes so that you do not have debt.

Yvonne

April 14th, 2011
11:06 pm

I am a co-signor and my son did not receive his degree after 190k in debt. The system is broken and yes, I do feel it is a scam especially from the Universities who allow debt to pile up and as a parent you can’t get copies of transcripts to see if the student is doing well until it is too late. SM is my lender and they are calling me 6-8 times a day and they are rude and using threats that will place me in a default in 3 months. I pay 200.00/ month and they need a payment of 1800/mth. There is a hardship in which I do not care to talk about but I need to know how to get the money that I am paying to get applied to the principle of the loan instead of the interest? They are not nice and it seems they really don’t want the 200/month I am paying. Every time I make a payment they call and it seems they are angry that I made a 200 payment. will getting a lawyer help?

drink up

April 16th, 2011
9:50 pm

I got a degree from ga state in liberal arts and can’t find a job anywhere after hundreds of resumes. A friend working at a hotel bar told me he makes $60,000-$70,000 each year mainly from tips. I’m going to bartender school and hope I can find a job at a big hotel. The degree from ga state is worthless.

[...] June, for the first time in history, Americans owed more on their student loans, a record $833 billion, than on their credit cards, $826.5 billion. The amount owed on student [...]