Another Super Bowl here: Is the reward worth the cost?

Are you in or out on this kind of deal?

The best way to get another Super Bowl in Atlanta — and the economic boost from it — is to build a new stadium, AJC staffer Aaron Gould Sheinin reports.

But to build a new stadium for the Atlanta Falcons, public bonds and the hotel-motel tax are likely to be involved. Of course, the stadium would be used for many seasons, not just for the big game.

Still, how much of an incentive do you think the Super Bowl should be? Economic impact estimates range from not much to as much as $500 million, Sheinin reports.

The NFL tries to dangle the game as a reward to cities with new venues.

How much of a reward do you think it is?

How much weight should public officials give it in negotiations with the Falcons over a new roost?

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268 comments Add your comment

Matt

November 12th, 2010
9:41 am

There is NOTHING wrong with the Dome, other than it’s location. No way, no how in these economic times should we be building a new stadium.

Brian

November 12th, 2010
9:44 am

Forget Atlanta. Bring the SuperBowl to Athens and let the pros tee it up between the hedges!

OUDOOR STADIUM

November 12th, 2010
9:46 am

Only if its outdoors….and Falcons season ticket holders pay half or more of the costs. Why should non-football citizens have to pay for something only 70,000 of over 9,000,000 get to enjoy? Make the seating 9,000,000 and I am all for it.

Buckeye

November 12th, 2010
9:46 am

The shame is the fact in our beautiful fall weather we play pro football indoors. I’d rather build the new stadium for that reason alone – not for a one week/one game affair. Do think Jerry Jones would trade his dismal record for the Super Bowl now??

Kirk

November 12th, 2010
9:46 am

Athens???….hahahahahaha

Ben Gunby

November 12th, 2010
9:47 am

Don’t forget that a new stadium would also boost our bid for the World Cup. Between the two, it absolutely would be worth it.

Nisha

November 12th, 2010
9:49 am

I think its a greatg idea. Most of the money would be coming from investors and not tax payers so in my opinion I believe that is exactly what we need to get the economy moving again. The amount of jobs that the new construction can bring to the metro area would be priceless. Plus it won’t only be the construction industry that benefit.

David

November 12th, 2010
9:51 am

I think the focus should be on players. As long as the $ doesn’t affect them then build a Texas style stadium. All I know is that I would rather be Falcon fan in the GDome, than a Dallas fan Texas Stadium. This could have started at the GM plant but the old people on the council in Doraville were too afraid.

E

November 12th, 2010
9:51 am

Agreed “Matt.” There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with the Georgia Dome. What about the many other previous times that Atlanta has hosted a Super Bowl? The city didn’t need to built a new stadium then, so why now? It’s all nonsense. The Dome is also easily accessible on public transportation. These idiots are bound to build a new stadium that’s difficult to get to on MARTA. Just look at the Cowboys new stadium as an example.

Burroughston Broch

November 12th, 2010
9:52 am

I am sick and tired of taxpayers being forced to pay for new sporting venues to benefit millionaires. The most irksome part of the process is that the taxpayers have no say in the matter. I think that the team owners and the fans attending the games should pay since they receive whatever benefits accrue. Should Mr. Blank threaten to take his team somewhere else if he is not presented with a new stadium at public expense, I say let him leave. If that happens, hell will freeze over before I darken the door of a Home Depot again.

Bright Idea

November 12th, 2010
9:55 am

How would a new stadium differ from the dome? Except for the newness? Is there something lacking in the dome? Why doesn’t the Superdone have this problem?

Realist

November 12th, 2010
9:56 am

There are SPECIFIC people who will benefit from a new stadium. EVERYONE WILL NOT BENEFIT. That is the classic lie told by every city that has ever wasted taxpayer dollars on these huge sports complexes. The lie always involves some lofty claim about tax revenues (which never come in), lofty claims about expanded revenue (which will never come in – or which will be realized by only a few in the community), and in the end, the taxpayers are left holding the bag for the bonds and the interest.

By the way, bonds are not FREE. They are just debt with interest due. They would be added to the current debt that covers the services we cannot afford.

And then the lie usually goes on to include some lofty promises about how police, fire, etc. can be expanded with the additional revenue, but that never comes, or worse, the police and fire, etc. get hired and sufficient revenue never comes in to pay their future salaries but nobody ever gets fired.

And then lets talk about the costs of these events. Sporting events of the nature of the Super Bowl inevitably bring out the worst people and the worst in people. All we need is another stabbing, high profile trial and costs, and any benefits vanish.

Those who will directly benefit should pay. If the state or the city council approves of this, they should be immediately thrown out of office and kicked out of the city/state.

The people are tired of being used as revenue streams for big corporations and other politically connected friends of elected officials.

Ben Gunby

November 12th, 2010
9:59 am

E-That’s because the Dome was still a relatively new stadium then, certainly one of the newer ones in the NFL

Bright Idea- Because new stadiums, as a general rule of thumb, constantly bring in revenue. They also create jobs. Furthermore, they increase the chance of getting a Super Bowl and obtaining the World Cup, both would provide a HUGE stimulus to the local economy.

I don’t think it’s that big of a deal for tax payers to foot part of the bill for these stadiums. Big time sports, especially stadiums that lure in shows, events, etc…..bring in money to the state. Again, if it gets the Super Bowl and the World Cup here, it will pretty much pay for itself with just those events alone.

ATL Sports Fan

November 12th, 2010
9:59 am

They need to move the Ted before they consider changing where the Falcons play. Braves play 80 something games a season, and as long as the stadium remains in the middle of the ‘hood people won’t go. At least run Marta to both of them, this city’s apathy is disturbing.

Stevie Ray

November 12th, 2010
10:00 am

Ha, 9,000,000 in Atl? I think you are confused Oudoor Stadium (its a lot closer to 5). I also think you missed the point of the question. If the AREA receives economic benefits of $500M, then you don’t have to GO to a game to experience it. That said, those studies are all bogus and we SHOULDN’T build a new stadium unless Marcus pays for 80%+. I hate Jerry, but I respect that he paid for the vast majority of Jones Mahal in Dallas.

mike

November 12th, 2010
10:02 am

So the NFL helps owners take money out of taxpayers’ pockets through bond sales for new stadiums? I think that’s called backdoor robbery. The answer is no. Thank you for following this important public issue.

SCREWEM

November 12th, 2010
10:06 am

The Economy is in the sewer! People are loosing their homes! There are no jobs available and if there is they GO TO ILLEGALS! Georgia/Atlanta has a BEAUTIFUL DOME THAT ISN’T THAT OLD! AND THE FOOTBALL COMMISSIONER COMES HERE AND ATTEMPTS HIS BLACKMAIL PUSH! TELL HIM TO SHOVE IT WHERE HIS HEAD IS!!!

zorro44

November 12th, 2010
10:06 am

Yes Mr Blank and atlanta city commission, PLEASE build an outdoor stadium PLEASE!!!!!!!!

zorro44

November 12th, 2010
10:08 am

The one time i would not B—ch about taxes!!!!!! PLEASE build an outdoor stadium, it doesn’t have to be like jerry world, but outdoors you betcha!!!!!!!!! RETRACTIBLE!!!!!! DO IT

red ryder

November 12th, 2010
10:09 am

NO!!! as in no tax money wasted to build a stadium for rich owners to rip of the taxpayers. if you want a new stadium, pay for it thru user fees only,

Drew

November 12th, 2010
10:09 am

The only place that really made sense & had the perfect location to build a new stadium was the old Doraville GM plant. MARTA runs right next to it, It is closer to the bulk of Atlanta’s population, and the proximity to I-285 & I-85 made sense from a gameday traffic situation.

But too many people complained about the location. Too many people got in an uproar over moving outside of downtown. And a greedy developer was not willing to walk away without a massive profit. So to think that building a new stadium anywhere in this city will be an easy task, think again.

Plus, there is not a single thing wrong with the dome!

Kevin in Alpharetta

November 12th, 2010
10:10 am

No! No! No public funding!!!

ptjackets

November 12th, 2010
10:10 am

I remember the days of rain and cold in December with the old stadium. If we build another one it needs a retractable roof.
Now on building another stadium. If the Falcons want to build one more power to them. If they want once cent of taxpayer money to pay for it then the answer is HELL NO! Not one cent of taxpayer dollars should ever be spent on a new stadium! Let the fat cat owners build there own place to play if they want one! If you can prove to me that a new Stadium is a good deal for taxpayers show me the proof. I know here in Gwinnett we got screwed with that new baseball stadium. The Braves get the benifits and we get screwed. Its time to face facts and say no!

Chuck Barnett

November 12th, 2010
10:13 am

We need to build one in Alpharetta, exit 10 where the land is waiting. Marta is on line and most players live nearby. Most ticket holders would agree. But do not build a dome, take a lesson from Charlotte, now that is a great stadium!

Grimlock

November 12th, 2010
10:14 am

Me, Grimlock, think NFL no longer want Super Bowl to come to Atlanta due to rude, pushy, aggressive & jive talking panhandlers who bother fans and tourists who come to spend money but not spend it on lazy people who smell like excrement and provide nothing good in return.

mythbusters

November 12th, 2010
10:16 am

Taxpayers aren’t paying for this Dome or the next one: the hotel/rental car tax is the source of the money, per state legislation. Unless you’re an Atlantan that stays in Atlanta hotels, STOP WHINING ABOUT TAXES TO FUND THE DOME!!!

Economics

November 12th, 2010
10:16 am

This reminds me of those funny home loans, sign now, pay later. Well, its later, hows that workin out for yah? This is another example of the elitist stealing from the tax payers, and if it happens, VOTE OUT every politician that votes for it. Remember people, they work for US!

John

November 12th, 2010
10:17 am

Years of construction and huge public debt for one four-hour event? No. We’ve had the Olympics and the Super Bowl and the World Series. Atlanta has no need to prove itself by committing financial suicide, building a new stadium just to get a Super Bowl. There is nothing wrong with the Dome.

Dan

November 12th, 2010
10:18 am

If Arthur Blank wants to build a new stadium without public financing then more power to him.

But throwing tax dollars into the pot for bigger and better stadiums that further enrich wealthy owners of sports franchises is a concept that may have made sense in the 1990s when times were good but is now ludicrous

Typical shakedown from Roger Goodell – I suppose someone as clueless about financial affairs as Nathan Deal might be taken in by this scam but hopefully the GOP majority in the Legislature that allegedly believes in reducing government spending will not be suckered into providing welfare for Mr. Blank

JD

November 12th, 2010
10:18 am

To do list — 1) Fix Water problem, 2) Fix transportation, 3) Fix Education, 4) Fix healthcare/trauma network — Cost : $$70 billion plus

Don’t see a new stadium anywhere near this priority list

Joe

November 12th, 2010
10:19 am

If Atlanta builds an outdoor stadium for the Falcons, you can forget SEC football championship games, kickoff games, final fours, big wrestling events, etc. The city would be throwing away more money by building an outdoor stadium.

Look at the ACC championship game. It’s been played outside in awful weather, and the weather here can get awful in November and December. Remember the Super Bowl that should have been renamed the Ice Bowl?

Ben

November 12th, 2010
10:21 am

I’m on board with it. I don’t mind charging a few extra dollars to some out of towners to use our hotel rooms for the weekend. This city is a big player in the convention business, big events (not just sporting events, but special events in general) is a huge industry for Atlanta. Having world class facilities are a must or those events will go to other places. We don’t have to build a gaudy, over the top and unnecessarily expensive palace like the one Jerry Jones built, but we do need to build something that keeps this city competitive in the market for major events. Just because some cities get ripped off on their stadium deals doesn’t mean that ALL stadium deals are lopsided in favor of their team. It is possible to work out a stadium deal that is beneficial to everybody… the city/state, the taxpayers, the GWCC and the Falcons. If all we gotta do is charge some visitors a little extra on their hotels and rental cars, then why the heck not?

Voice of Reason

November 12th, 2010
10:23 am

I agree with everything “Realist” said, and would add this – with water rates, property taxes, lack of police, sewer problems, and the list goes on, that taxpayers are being bombarded for, the idea is absurd.
Another point, I don’t blame players for the money they ask for, but I do blame the owners for giving it to them. If the owners want to continue to pay these salaries, and it won’t ever change I know, then I prefer paying for cable and watching it on TV.
NOW, the most compelling reason NOT to build a new stadium is simple – There is nothing wrong with the Dome, the NFL doesn’t complain about the Super Dome in NO, so none of this holds water! We might create a few new jobs from construction, but that would only be temporary, We have become a county of leaderless people, without vision, who want to put more and more on the taxpayer and the debt of local, state and national governments has broken our wonderful country. I would vote for a new stadium when we quit handing out money we don’t have that is called “foreign aid”!

Just Me

November 12th, 2010
10:23 am

I like the idea of an outdoor stadium, but would that REPLACE or SUPPLEMENT the Dome? The fact is that the Dome hosts a number of other events that need to be played indoors – the SEC basketball tournament, for example. That means if the Falcons want an outdoor stadium we would end up with two large stadiums (which to me is a waste), or a stadium with a retractable roof (which is VERY expensive), or no more large, indoor events – which, by the way, generate quite a bit of revenue for the World Congress Center Authority (the owners of the Dome).

Personally, I don’t think the numbers make sense – and certainly not in today’s economy.

SAY NO to a NEW STADIUM!

November 12th, 2010
10:25 am

New stadiums don’t bring in jobs or revive neighborhoods. As a resident of Mechanicsville I can tell you first hand that Turner Field has only prevented growth in our stadium communities. There are several reasons for this…

1. They need room for parking. This need for parking is only exacerbated because investors buy houses and land around the stadium for parking. Most of these houses then sit vacant and uncared for.

2. Taxes. If the price of the land and taxes go up, it makes the land desirable and forces the Stadium to look elsewhere.

3. The wealthy don’t give a damn about giving back to the communities they demolish. It’s not a race thing, it’s a class thing.

nostadium

November 12th, 2010
10:26 am

#1 Nothing wrong with the Dome. It holds 75000 comfortably, clean, safe, parking, marta. Keep it!
#2 Pro leagues do not include fans in their decisions and just shove costs and changes down the fans throats. its time the NFL get some protests from the fans/cities about their dictatorship.
#3 Only the people who use/work in/or support the stadium should pay for it. the whole city taxpayers do not attend events in the stadium. Big business only benefits the millionaires olus city government, not the taxpayers. if you help pay for the stadium, you get a break on the prices. all others pay higher prices to attend. cost accountability does not belong to opponents of the idea.

george watson

November 12th, 2010
10:27 am

The revenue of one super bowl does not justify the cost of a new stadium. The taxpayers are paying enough already. No need for millions of them to pay for a stadium that only a few tens of thousands use.

EconGuy

November 12th, 2010
10:28 am

I just got finished writing a paper on the economic impact of building a new stadium or hosting a mega-event in a city. It actually does not impact the economy very much. People have a budget constraint and money that would have been spent at the movie theater or mall gets spent at the Super Bowl. Thus, no additional money is injected into the local economy.

ClatisC

November 12th, 2010
10:28 am

Build an outdoor stadium with the ability to close. People complain about the cost in taxes, because it’s personal. Compare that to the region wide benefits…and no one see’s the benefits because it’s NOT personal. However a new stadium would bring jobs and more events.

Besides that…the owner deserves the support of the city he’s given so much to.

Besides that…you haven’t been to a pro game until you’ve done a pro game OUTSIDE with a beer. The Dome is a living room on steroids.

Michael

November 12th, 2010
10:28 am

Whoever gave the line about ” construction jobs created” doesn’t know what they’re talking about. The construction workers building a new stadium would simply be shifted to the stadium project from another project. The actual jobs created by a new stadium would be minimum wage earning, temporary and seasonal jobs that do nothing to improve the economy.

Atlanta made its bed with the Georgia Dome. Now it has to sleep in it until it’s completely paid off and Blank can find private support for a new stadium.

bernard

November 12th, 2010
10:32 am

Years ago we could not get the Super Bowl because we did not have a indoor facility and now we are talking about another outdoor venue is crazy.The tax payers do not need this.What about the infrastructure of the city?

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 12th, 2010
10:33 am

I have no problem with the Falcons getting a new stadium, as long as it’s built with private funds.

Doug

November 12th, 2010
10:34 am

It would be worth it. Atlanta needs to continue to build new facilities to be on the cutting edge of what’s out there sports venue wise. It seems like yesterday the Dome opened, but its one of the older NFL stadiums now and should be replaced. An outdoor stadium with a retractable roof seems like the best possibility. We should go for it and then the Super Bowl and World Cup will come to Atlanta and we will continue to be a world class city. Look what happened to other cities who would not building new facilities for their sports teams – like Los Angeles for instance. Its one of the largest cities in the country and has been without NFL football for a long long time. Don’t let this happen to our great city.

godoggo

November 12th, 2010
10:40 am

Ditto on Realist comments ! Henry, surely you’ll agree that if you or anyone of your fans went back and looked over past post or stories on “New Arenas or Stadiums” in ANY major city they would all talk the same dog and poney show…..as “Realist” has clearly stated…..most of us here are old enough to realize that we’ve heard that same “sound-bite” before on what it will do for the local economy.

And in the end the taxpayer is the one that takes it on the chin or other body parts : )

Best Idea

November 12th, 2010
10:41 am

Here is an idea… there is nothing wrong with the current dome except it needs “no dome”. Solution: construct a retractable dome on that sucker. Falcons can go play in Athens if they need construction time. It is the best of both worlds.

Big Daddy

November 12th, 2010
10:42 am

The NFL’s last grip about us hosting a Super Bowl ,(outside of Ray the Slasher incident, which killed the Buckhead Bar Scene when the thugs stuck around after the Super Bowl left), was a little sleet/ice storm that happened and the poor little rich tourists had to walk in the cold. But now the NFL is letting NJ/NY have an outdoor Superbowl. Hypocrites.

shadow7071

November 12th, 2010
10:43 am

I’ll just add to “Realist” as say that the ongoing cost of ownership is never considered. Here in Cobb county the government is trying to get us to pass a new SPOST just for the maintenance of stuff already built. One politician has stated that no one ever considers the ongoing cost of ownership.

I concur with the others… if someone want to build this with private funds then have at it. For the regional base of tax payers this is too risky and really not needed.

Mike Franklin

November 12th, 2010
10:44 am

New Orleans has the Super Dome which is almost as old as the rest of the town but… they still get Super Bowls. No talk about a new stadium there.

Yes, of course. New Orleans is… um, ’special’ so we can’t use it as an example. Never mind.

It can get hot in Atlanta some early football seasons so a domed stadium was always a good idea. But now we’re into this era of green and nature and organics and everyone wants fresh air… except that Atlanta is just a danged funny place to go looking for it.

So, build a stadium with a retractable dome and/or retractable turf, right? No… that costs too much and besides being green, we are also (as a nation) quite broke.

Hmmm… how about just tear the roof off the Georgia Dome and make it an outdoor stadium?

Wahhhh! We want a NEW stadium, Mommy!!!!

Okay, go find the one you like… but that means you don’t get new shoes for school this year!

dawgystyle

November 12th, 2010
10:44 am

My taxes already pay for lazy freeloaders in this city. I am all for something that i can use. Use my taxes for a new stadium, its all good. Maybe it will decrease how much tax money goes towards supporting the Obama crowd in this city with their hands out!

Pat

November 12th, 2010
10:44 am

We need a new stadium for the Falcons, period, not only the Super Bowl. The Dome is very outdated and really not as enjoyable as it could be. The areas for fans to gather and do other things than watch the game is very below average. So yes, we need a new stadium for the Falcons and their fans