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		<title>By: Quagmire</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2009/11/16/should-union-election-rules-be-changed-for-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-5390</link>
		<dc:creator>Quagmire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, YES!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, YES!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Problems</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2009/11/16/should-union-election-rules-be-changed-for-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-5034</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax Problems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be another mess? The airline industry only exists becasue of government bailouts and union concessions. Is it too much to expect a fulltime job to include benefits? 

http://www.edisonaccounting.com/irs-problems-backtaxes-home.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be another mess? The airline industry only exists becasue of government bailouts and union concessions. Is it too much to expect a fulltime job to include benefits? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.edisonaccounting.com/irs-problems-backtaxes-home.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.edisonaccounting.com/irs-problems-backtaxes-home.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fast Eddie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2009/11/16/should-union-election-rules-be-changed-for-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-4872</link>
		<dc:creator>Fast Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southwest Airlines &amp; UPS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southwest Airlines &amp; UPS</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Hoffa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2009/11/16/should-union-election-rules-be-changed-for-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-4870</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Hoffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets name highly successful companies still in business that are heavily unionized.  i will start us off...

GM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets name highly successful companies still in business that are heavily unionized.  i will start us off&#8230;</p>
<p>GM</p>
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		<title>By: james yarbrough</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2009/11/16/should-union-election-rules-be-changed-for-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-4859</link>
		<dc:creator>james yarbrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Changing the voting rules clearly seems like it has nothing to do with actually helping employees but has everything to do with election payback for the vast contributions Unions gave to political candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Changing the voting rules clearly seems like it has nothing to do with actually helping employees but has everything to do with election payback for the vast contributions Unions gave to political candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Fast Eddie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2009/11/16/should-union-election-rules-be-changed-for-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-4805</link>
		<dc:creator>Fast Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whether you are for the union or against – it will be a given that the Delta we know will cease to exist once it is unionized.&quot;

...so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whether you are for the union or against – it will be a given that the Delta we know will cease to exist once it is unionized.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all a matter that The union officers are only concerned with keeping their Soft jobs while doing NOTHING........Delta has Always Treated their employees Better then any Union can , and has had a better relationship with their employees then most Unionized carriers...It&#039;s easy for union &#039;s to say &quot;It&#039;s the Management that  caused the downfall, without admitting to slowdown . strikes ....The change in the rules is nothing more then   &quot;True Socialism&quot; being brought in by Union leaders who have always been in bed with the Demoncrats
Example AFL_CIO at GM getting 20 billion for their pot , while risk takers,  like Bond holders which include many, many blue collar retirement funds got an empty bag True Socialism , do what you can to deny management.....Why is OK for a minority of votes to rule over the majority ? That happens in Mother Russia ........The problem with unions is that there are too many slackers while dedicated  employees do all the work..,,I&#039;ve been there , I&#039;ve been on both sides....I hope the courts find the need for the US transportation industry to maintain the current rules in effect since 1934 because they WORK........If this disaster of a rule change happens there needs to be the same policy to get rid of the unions .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all a matter that The union officers are only concerned with keeping their Soft jobs while doing NOTHING&#8230;&#8230;..Delta has Always Treated their employees Better then any Union can , and has had a better relationship with their employees then most Unionized carriers&#8230;It&#8217;s easy for union &#8217;s to say &#8220;It&#8217;s the Management that  caused the downfall, without admitting to slowdown . strikes &#8230;.The change in the rules is nothing more then   &#8220;True Socialism&#8221; being brought in by Union leaders who have always been in bed with the Demoncrats<br />
Example AFL_CIO at GM getting 20 billion for their pot , while risk takers,  like Bond holders which include many, many blue collar retirement funds got an empty bag True Socialism , do what you can to deny management&#8230;..Why is OK for a minority of votes to rule over the majority ? That happens in Mother Russia &#8230;&#8230;..The problem with unions is that there are too many slackers while dedicated  employees do all the work..,,I&#8217;ve been there , I&#8217;ve been on both sides&#8230;.I hope the courts find the need for the US transportation industry to maintain the current rules in effect since 1934 because they WORK&#8230;&#8230;..If this disaster of a rule change happens there needs to be the same policy to get rid of the unions .</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing against changing the voting rules as long as de-certification is also made easier. When the time comes to vote - the burden will fall on both sides to &quot;get out the vote&quot;. 

Much has been said and comparisons made with general elections in our country, but no one that makes this argument seems to also mention that with members of Congress they can be voted out every 2 years or 6 if they are in the Senate. Same with every other office that has term limits. It is extremely difficult to vote a union out. It takes years of card collecting. Also, it is improbable as most unions belong to the AFL-CIO and they will not encroach on each others territory.  It would take an independent union to gain momentum and that is highly unlikely as an independent union brings little or no experience or more important the financial backing that it takes to run a successful card signing campaign. 

Nothing against unionization either. However a concern with a union at Delta would be the drastic change in culture that will occur at the airline. Although a cooperative relationship is possible, it will be highly unlikely as the NWA folks bring with them years of baggage and negative experiences with their management. They will enter negotiations rattling their collective sabers and demanding what the company cannot possibly grant in terms of compensation and other benefits. A new relationship of &quot;us vs. them&quot; will prevail and customer service will suffer. This alone will jump start the decline of Delta in the eyes of its customers.

Whether you are for the union or against - it will be a given that the Delta we know will cease to exist once it is unionized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing against changing the voting rules as long as de-certification is also made easier. When the time comes to vote &#8211; the burden will fall on both sides to &#8220;get out the vote&#8221;. </p>
<p>Much has been said and comparisons made with general elections in our country, but no one that makes this argument seems to also mention that with members of Congress they can be voted out every 2 years or 6 if they are in the Senate. Same with every other office that has term limits. It is extremely difficult to vote a union out. It takes years of card collecting. Also, it is improbable as most unions belong to the AFL-CIO and they will not encroach on each others territory.  It would take an independent union to gain momentum and that is highly unlikely as an independent union brings little or no experience or more important the financial backing that it takes to run a successful card signing campaign. </p>
<p>Nothing against unionization either. However a concern with a union at Delta would be the drastic change in culture that will occur at the airline. Although a cooperative relationship is possible, it will be highly unlikely as the NWA folks bring with them years of baggage and negative experiences with their management. They will enter negotiations rattling their collective sabers and demanding what the company cannot possibly grant in terms of compensation and other benefits. A new relationship of &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; will prevail and customer service will suffer. This alone will jump start the decline of Delta in the eyes of its customers.</p>
<p>Whether you are for the union or against &#8211; it will be a given that the Delta we know will cease to exist once it is unionized.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The myths about unions are just that - myths. Those who bad mouth unions simply do not understand the reality of unionization. The employees make up the union - there is no evil outside third party. Unions keep everyone honest since all parties have to work from the same rules. Employees feel a sense of security since their benefits and wages cannot be changed overnight without their approval, as has happened at Delta in the past to non-union workers many, many times. Unionized employees and management CAN work together to create an even better airline. Unions do not stop that from happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The myths about unions are just that &#8211; myths. Those who bad mouth unions simply do not understand the reality of unionization. The employees make up the union &#8211; there is no evil outside third party. Unions keep everyone honest since all parties have to work from the same rules. Employees feel a sense of security since their benefits and wages cannot be changed overnight without their approval, as has happened at Delta in the past to non-union workers many, many times. Unionized employees and management CAN work together to create an even better airline. Unions do not stop that from happening.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Clips &#8211; 11/16/2009 &#171; AFA-CWA Clips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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