Immigration Dispute Has Constitutional Undertones

Doc

August 29th, 2011
5:19 am

Thank God he’s doing it! It is only right to start to clear up the mess that xenophobia, cheap politics (mostly on your side Bobby), and an ignorant nativism has created.

We need to process, clear, and yes give amnesty to the millions of tax paying (and they all pay taxes one way or another), otherwise law abiding humans that have been here for years and aren’t going anywhere.

Indeed, the stupid ‘tightening the boarder’ nonsense that the GOP loves so much has worsened the problem for those that would go back, would just work the season and go home afterwards.

The GOP’s intransigence and the Democrats lack of courage to lead on this issue means someone has to act and Obama has perfect ability in the law to do what he’s doing.

After all, law enforcement has to prioritize where its resources go. Do they pour all their budget into solving every graffiti case or do they go after the killers first?

Live with it bobbie. Here’s the smaller government you yobbos want.

Rick in Grayson

August 29th, 2011
5:19 am

Obama’s backdoor amnesty is disgusting! He now explicitly burdens local taxpayers with subsidizing illegal immigration at a time when millions of US citizens can’t find jobs to support their families.

Georgia spends more than $1 Billion each year to pay for K-12 educations for the children of illegal aliens! The Gwinnett County School district is heavily burdened with ESOL classes while our own children receive less attention from teachers. Fewer college seats will be available to our own children.

Obama has placed the interests of illegal aliens and their children before those of US citizens who may not be gainfully employed for another 5 years or more (if ever).

Rick in Grayson

August 29th, 2011
5:32 am

Obama has cheapened the price of US citizenship to the cost of a bus or plane ticket into the US where anyone from any country can stay and feed off the teat of the US government!

We already have an unsustainable welfare state in the US and this executive fiat will only hasten the instability of the financial situation for US citizens. Our debt will continue to rise while advocates of illegal immigration keep on demanding that the “rich” pay more in taxes to support foreign nationals in our country illegally!

Ray

August 29th, 2011
5:48 am

Doc: Careful not to project motives on to someone else to automatically give yourself the moral high ground. Especially outside of your own experience zone. Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal are native east Indians who are also shoring up illegal immigration enforcement in their states. New Mexico governor Susanna Martinez is a hispanic and is following the lead of Arizona. That’s at the state level. At the personal level: until you live in Mexico yourself, or atleast Buford highway, you have no moral authority to call “xenophobia” vis a vis me. I’ve lived in both places. I’m totally comfortable side by side with someone legal or illegal but still understand the right to property issues here. Most “xenophobia” accusations typically come from white people in Alpharetta.

I have an individual right to property. Therefore I can gather with my peers and appoint a government to protect my collective right to property. If I’m sleeping on your couch without your permission, it’s a trespassing issue, not a xenophobia issue. Tell ya what, let’s give the USA the same immigration protections that Mexico gives itself. Good for goose, good for gander.

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Ray

August 29th, 2011
6:00 am

Having gone over personal and state levels, we actually get to the point of the article: Federal level. Let’s re-cap the constitution very quickly:

We will create a federal power. We will give that power a gun. The Legislative aims the gun. The Executive pulls the trigger. The Judicial is the safety switch. The Executive cannot aim the gun and the Legislative cannot pull the trigger. We will authorize Washington DC to point the gun in 17 different directions. And in the old days, since DC could point the gun at either States or People, BOTH states and people needed to agree to point it. The people agreed in the House. The States agreed in the Senate. That was the horizontal and vertical seperation of powers outlined in the Constitution. (The 17th amendment took one hand off the gun, but the 10th Amendment still says only 17 directions are allowed to be pointed.)

This is a simple case of Obama aiming the gun himself without regard to existing law–a problem the executive has had in a lot of areas lately under both Bush and Obama.

M86

August 29th, 2011
6:04 am

Doc,

Your brainwashed idiocy is the stuff of legend, man! I mean, did you even read that crap you spout? I’m well-meaning to expose your hypocrisy ——– if 20 million Africans from Ethiopia invaded our country in the same manner the indigenuous of Mexico did, do you honestly think there will be a bonding consensus on the left to fight for their stay in America?

Tell me you don’t believe the Catholic church will do God’s will and care for these dark-skinned, poor Africans. You think the business community will so much as utter a word in support of their unlawful presence on our soil.

Be real, dude. The far-left liberals wouldn’t raise a fuss if majority of America call for the enforcement of our immigration laws on the Africans and the Catholic church would be preaching about respecting a country’s laws and quoting a passage in the Bible, “…..in their land, among their tongue, among their kindred” etc.

This just shows the length of the far-left liberals’ hypocrisy and the using of the Bible in vain for profits, the illegals bring to their coffers.

America is well in her right to deport every single one of the illegal aliens living here. And there isn’t anything guilty about doing so because even the Bible recognizes a country’s sovereign rights to exist as a country with their own national language, history, culture and people.

jconservative

August 29th, 2011
6:12 am

Bob this has been going on since the Washington administration. We have always had “Prosecutorial Discretion” and “selective enforcement” at the federal, state and local levels.
Does that make it right? No. Just makes it the way it has always worked.

What has some folks excited is the issue. Immigration is a tough issue. Bush tried to be lenient on immigration but in the end caved in to his base. Remember the deal he negotiated to allow Mexicans working in the US to draw Social Security. The base screamed and he never sent it to Congress for approval.

Since the two parties cannot get together on new legislation we will continue doing what we have done for the last 25 years. The Republicans had their opportunity to address the issue when they had control of the House, Senate and White House in 2001 – 2006 but failed to move any legislation.

The Democrats had their shot in 2009-2010 but did not even try.

I guess we, as a nation, are all saying that the way we do it now it A-OK. So we do nothing.

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Barack

August 29th, 2011
6:39 am

Sometimes a fella has got to do whatever it takes to get a vote…even when you’re king.

Gerald West

August 29th, 2011
7:05 am

Thanks for clarifying the impasse on the immigration issue! But really, Bob, you shouldn’t cite “findings” from the Heritage Foundation: it’s the literate organ of the vast Republican Party propaganda machine.

Since the American people and the US Congress won’t take a realistic approach to immigration, who but the President can do anything at all on the issue?

Two strong political parties are incompatible with our government structure; that is the root cause of the incompetence, procrastination, and gridlock of American governance. If we want to be ruled by political parties we should have a parliamentary government, not a constitutional government based on separation of powers and checks and balances.

GB

August 29th, 2011
7:07 am

For Doc:

You have a rather broad definition of xenophobia. Seems to me that opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants is sufficient grounds for you to apply that label.

Whose country is this? Shouldn’t American citizens decide who enters and under what circumstances? Shouldn’t our immigration policy be set by our laws, rather than by the foreigners who enter illegally? Shouldn’t there be penalties for people who break the law?

Techfan

August 29th, 2011
7:08 am

I did a quick search on “signing statement” on Heritage’s site. 5 results, 1 irrelevant (didn’t filter for both words together, 1 from 2001 complaining about Clinton, 3 complaining about Obama. SOmehow they are completely silent from 2001 through 2010 and don’t mention Bush’s 161 signing statements that affected over 1,100 laws. Heritage doesn’t seem to have a problem with “executive fiat”, it just depends on who’s doing it.

Vickie

August 29th, 2011
7:36 am

It is time for Americans to speak more loudly. Obama can hear the illegals, but not citizens for some reason.

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Dave

August 29th, 2011
7:37 am

We just won’t learn. Reagan tried to be fair by granting amnesty in exchange for a tightening of the borders. The Liberal Congress at the time welched on their end of the deal. You can’t be a “law abiding citizen” and an “illegal immigrant” at the same time, folks. And besides, aren’t we the land of equal opportunity? Yes, yes we are. So why do we allow the folks from Central America take all the opportunities? There are surely plenty of deserving folks in Africa and Asia who simply can’t come here because the illegals from the south have already swollen the populace. Control their numbers and our quotas could be eased, allowing other deserving folks to make their way here. And another thing… what happened to the Great American Melting Pot? The term that describes folks learning the language and abiding by the laws and cultures while also preserving their ethnic pride? This whole salad bowl concept is just plain wilted.

steve

August 29th, 2011
7:39 am

When did we lose our common sense? Our Government, has allowed the invasion of 30 million criminals in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution. they force American tax payers to pay Billions to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders children, free medical care,massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WE ARE BEING INVADED! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NVT7lyNRZQ&feature=player_embedded
.youtube.com/watch?v=tsH8xvjTAlo
.youtube.com/watch?v=Btj6IeOFkis&feature=player_embedded
http://immigrationcounters.com/
.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
.immigrationshumancost.org/
.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty580.htm
.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/
http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=41045
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003335.html
Every Non-representative including obama and holder are not upholding the oath of office! they swore to defend the Constitution! If these clowns were to do their job, this would all be a Moot point!
Anchors and their criminal parents go, period, you knew you were breaking the law when you crossed the border.

Next shut down any business hiring illegal labor. Oh and owners go to jail.
Got a better idea? Lets hear it!

steve

August 29th, 2011
7:40 am

When did we lose our common sense? Our Government, has allowed the invasion of 30 million criminals in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution. they force American tax payers to pay Billions to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders children, free medical care,massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WE ARE BEING INVADED! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Every Non-representative including obama and holder are not upholding the oath of office! they swore to defend the Constitution! If these clowns were to do their job, this would all be a Moot point!
Anchors and their criminal parents go, period, you knew you were breaking the law when you crossed the border.

Next shut down any business hiring illegal labor. Oh and owners go to jail.
Got a better idea? Lets hear it!

caslosgvv

August 29th, 2011
8:11 am

“the president’s lack of respect for the laws he is tasked with enforcing”

The number of illegals in America is now well over 12 million. This did not happen overnight. It’s clear that not only the president but congress as well has been and is guilty of ignoring our immigration laws. Buisness wanting cheap labor is the main reason for this and additional proof (as if any more is needed) that we have the best congress money can buy.

Techfan

August 29th, 2011
8:14 am

Ironic that with immigrants from south of the border that more than likely their ancestors were here before ours.

thewindwhistler

August 29th, 2011
8:29 am

Florida election observers say a sizable number of Florida votes in the 2000 election may have been cast by inelgible voters. Imagine that, elections being won and lost by the voting by illegal aliens, it is absolutely outrageous. I can understand why the President is so concerned about illegAl aliens staying in the country. What if a flood of hispanics come over the border just before the next election and vote? And speaking to LaRaza, the President voiced his concern about illegal aliens staying in the country. It absolutely boggles my mind.
And where has the 4th Amendment gone, a credit card company was asking security questions about what organizations I belonged to, multiple choice, they new the answer, stuff you would never think was privte, its scary.

the guy

August 29th, 2011
8:49 am

Sadly, we have brought this on ourselves because too many Americans now believe that they are entitled to better-than-manual-labor jobs, which the Latinos gladly fill.

JV

August 29th, 2011
8:54 am

This administration is also working to gut the 2d Ammendment through a United Nations agreement. An organization not friendly to the U.S. But, that’s another story. Here are some stats for you pro-illegal types:

According to a 2010 cost study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the estimated annual total of the costs related to illegal immigration that taxpayers must bear on the federal, state and local levels in $113 Billion. Of that, $84 Billion at state and local levels. This breaks down to approximately $1,000 per tax-paying American household. An average 27 percent of this dollar figure has to do with the administration of justice, while 16 percent are public assistance expenditures. Twenty-one percent go to medical care and an estimated seven percent support education.

WOW

August 29th, 2011
9:05 am

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hacimo

August 29th, 2011
9:30 am

There is a very simple remedy to this problem. All the republicans controlling the house should write some measures removing Obama’s discretion in deportation cases. These measures could even include draconian provisions like requiring that all Illegals be held in detention until deportation and that no illegal would be granted appeal of a deportation order. In order to force these measures into law they chould then be attached to one of the annual appropriation bills that need to be passed in this fall. A good target would be the appropriation bill for DHS. If the republicans are of a mind, and if they are unified, then they can bring the government to a halt rather then allow this to stand.

caslosgvv

August 29th, 2011
9:30 am

WOW

Your posts leave little doubt as to which end of the IQ average you’re at. Heres a hint – it’s not the high one or even the middle one.

Lucifer

August 29th, 2011
9:48 am

Enter your comments here

Lucifer

August 29th, 2011
9:48 am

Obama is an illegal alien himself it seems.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
10:26 am

All of you people cheering the new inflow of “ILLEGAL immigrants” by Obamas unconstitutional policy change………… why dont YOU all go to MEXICO and help these freeloaders develop an economic system of their own that works and maybe they wont have to come here!

matt

August 29th, 2011
10:32 am

There should be no problem with immigration. History (which, being reality, trumps theory every time) shows that times of massive immigration coincide with times of historic prosperity for our Nation. The problem is *illegal* immigration. Personally I think anyone who isn’t a violent criminal on the run should be WELCOMED at the borders (isn’t this the glossy theme of our Statue of Liberty, the chalk marking and corralling of immigrants in the early 20th century notwithstanding), and those trying to cross illegally should be shot as would an invading army. After all, if you’re not some violent criminal, and having looked at a wee bit of history, I’d be stupid NOT to welcome you, even if all you have is the clothes on your back. What, you say? You don’t want to support people on welfare just because they crossed the border? Well then fix your welfare system.

Wade MacNaughtan, Ph.D.

August 29th, 2011
10:35 am

Simply wanting the immigration laws enforced does not make one a racist as La Raza and other Liberal groups would have people believe. Wanting the law enforced, most often, an expression of a deep desire to simply have the rule of law, rule. Wanting the immigration laws to be enforced is also the product of a society that is dealing with a poor economy and it has been shown in various research projects that illegals tend to take the jobs of the young or entry level workers. This throws an undue burden of harboring illegals on to the backs of those least able to afford having the immigration law ignored by this so called Commander in Chief, Chief Executive or what you will. Obama thinks that he is above other people and it does follow that he thinks that he is above the law. Thus, he can ignore immigration law with impunity. He needs to recheck his polls.

Mary Sorensen

August 29th, 2011
10:38 am

Easiest way in the world to turn this country into a third world country. Open the borders up and allow them all to come and suck off the tax payer. Some come for opportunity that once was guaranteed by the constitution. Now all illegals have to do is vote for the progressives –communists of Soros and turn the country into what they left behind. They bring the baggage with them–products of their upbringing. Early days immigrants came to become Americans!! They learned to speak English. They worked hard without expecting handouts and educated their children helping them to achieve the dream of freedom –there you have it Pilgrim-what has been lost is assimilation

WOW

August 29th, 2011
10:44 am

Brilliant Carlosgvv…er…Eisnstein

Chet

August 29th, 2011
10:45 am

Obama has basically said, he is going to decide who and how many people we are going to let into our country! At what point did we elect a monarch? This action is not only illegal, but an attempt to bolster his non-existent approval rating with millions of illegals he is going to allow to stay.

And who says or does anything about it?? NOBODY DOES!! Our own government will not stand up and take action against this unconstitutional act by our now apparent dictator.

IS THIS WHAT WE AS AMERICANS HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TOO??
WAKE UP PEOPLE…… OUR COUNTRY IS BEING GIVEN AWAY BY THE PEOPLE WE ELECTED TO PROTECT US!!

cranky old man

August 29th, 2011
10:50 am

“Our Founding Fathers, having waged a bloody war for independence from an all-powerful monarch,…”

Well, not exactly. Although George III was not quite reduced to the tourist attraction/reality freak show status the current monarchy enjoys, he was far from an “all powerful monarch.” It was essentially parliament that called the shots, which was why our founding fathers wanted representation in said parliament in the first place.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
10:52 am

@ cranky old man

You are correct sir, the problem here is these are our elected officials.

mark

August 29th, 2011
11:03 am

its like these republicans have a big “Amnesty” button that they have hotwired onto their desk.

” Illegals immigrants not convicted for…….”

“AMNESTY!”

“illegals granted in state tuition………”

“AMMMMMMMMMMMMMNEEEEEEEEEEEESTYYYYYY”

“We wanna obtain the latino vote by cring Am-F%&CKING-nesty to anything pro immigrant.
No matter how small.”

mark

August 29th, 2011
11:05 am

@JV yea but none of you ass@#$s never complain about companies like nike sending money to asian countries to make a cheap product. Yea that not important, but the illegal trying to make a living as a waiter it a national concern. right.

caslosgvv

August 29th, 2011
11:08 am

WOW

I liked you better when you were LA.

Zeik Heil!!

August 29th, 2011
11:10 am

Constitution? To he77 with the Constitution!! Laws? To he77 with Laws!! Do as we please, do as we want. While we’re at it, he77, let’s riot, kill, steal, rob, murder, embezzel, speed, litter, burn, loot, asault, batter, have I forgotten anything? I see no difference in these and entering the country ILLEGALLY DAMIT! The people who wanted this brillo head as their leader have got him, and

Joel Wischkaemper

August 29th, 2011
11:16 am

I think there is a lot of reason to be .very. worried. Mr. Obama has chosen a very bad time to challenge the Constitution, but also, a very bad time to challenge the people of this country on this issue.

I believe in Global Warming. I have lived in the west for most of my life and when you have six ulcers that tell you immediately the water you are drinking is not very good, you understand how very perilous the water supply in the Western United States is. That is something Google is re-enforcing almost daily. We cannot continue to bring more people into this country without a serious change in our living standard.

If you go to the forests from the tip of Montana to the western most part of California, you can smell a lot of people, smell a lot of cess pools, see a lot of people, view more trash on the land than is in a hundred land fills and know we need to reduce our immigration load drastically. If we do not, we will be leaving a pretty sad place to our children. We badly need a great deal of planning for the future witnessed by the people of this country, and Obama cannot be allowed to win on the Immigration Issue at this point.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
11:23 am

@ mark

The issue isn’t the changing of policy….. its about the constitutionality and the reason for and of the change.

Kem

August 29th, 2011
11:25 am

Obama is saying its OK to brake the law and we should reward them so long as they pay taxes. that is so messed up. Does that give all Americans that pay taxes the right to brake the law? NO it don’t. Would Americans be reward for braking the law? NO they wouldn’t.
The majority of illegal immigrants are involved in cash-only jobs such as yard, household work, tree planting, farm work, etc. you know under the table jobs and they don’t pay taxes, the ones that do pay taxes have false documents which messes up a lot of Americans. its called identity theft but hay thats OK just so long as they are paying tax’s right. technically the ones that are working for cash are more honest. they are showing they are trying Not to brake the law any more then they have. but the ones that Broke the law again and again and again using fake documents every single time they get a pay check lets just reward them for that. I have the utmost respect for the ones that are trying without braking the law more. But the ones that get fake documents to make things easier for them with no concern on who they are hurting continuously, repeatedly braking the law, I have no respect for them and they should not get away with it.

Gerald West

August 29th, 2011
11:30 am

windwhistler . . .
and may I add, the Florida elections in 2000 gave the Republican members of the Supreme Court an opportunity to elect Bush II, even though the majority if American voters chose Gore. The rest is a sad history of national decline.

Steve . . .
Horrors that we have illegal alien criminals in our midst! And what about all those illegal speeder criminals that we encounter every day on the freeways? Laws must be obeyed, or penalties imposed!

SaveOurRepublic

August 29th, 2011
11:33 am

Globalist shill BHO continues to subvert our Constitution (of which illegal invaders are not “protected” under).

Kem

August 29th, 2011
11:33 am

oops Would Americans be reward for braking the law? YES they would JAIL

dorae

August 29th, 2011
11:47 am

to doc 05:48 post. well said

GodBlessAmerica

August 29th, 2011
11:49 am

Hacimo … Democracy does not work like that…Let us examine some of the facts…….violation of immigration laws are “civil disobedience” just like getting a speeding ticket. Repeated studies have shown that 97% of illegal immigrants who are presently in the U.S.A. are people who came into the country legally and have over-stayed their visas and with (O) capital (NO)… criminal record. They are the “elbow grease” in our economy as described by billionaire Mayor Bloomberg of New York. They pay their taxes, some working 7 days per week receiving less than minimum wages, with “NO” benefits.Some working in environments worse than slavery.Most of these victims crushed with fear of deportation, DO NOT report CRIMES perpetrated against them.The other 2—3 %, yes! they are under the microscope, whosoever we need to send to Mars or Jupiter or lock-up and throw away the keys…..we will …..take this as gospel, all Local and Federal Agencies are “laser-in” on every single ones, as we speak.This is the USA, you can run but you cannot hide…..air, sea or land. Study carefully, how we killed Bin Laden……we are at war against TERRORISTS NOT IMMIGRANTS. We are a nation of immigrants….and until we all take a closer look at our history, inventors, constitutionalism, laws, WE THE PEOPLE and where we are going under GOD.We must keep praying for our President,Vice-President, Senators,The House of Representatives, Governors, Mayors, local leaders, and every neighbour on planet Earth. When circumstances are tough GOD ask us to WALK BY FAITH NOT BY SIGHT…Galations 3 v 14… So that the blessings of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith……GOD’S blessings, include forgiveness, acceptance, friendship with GOD, righteousness, The Holy Spirit, prosperity, supply, healing, deliverance, fruitfulness, long life, favor with men, joy, peace, love, nobility of character, capacity and a heart to give, spiritual gifts, wisdom, faith, hope and protection from dangers and evils.Two great attributes of a christian is “GIVING & FORGIVING”.Let me encourage everyone to (a) Pray without ceasing. (b) Read and be filled with the Words of GOD. (3) Give thanks to The Heavenly Father at all times for all things. May The Grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. A-men.

Kem

August 29th, 2011
11:56 am

Gerald West…
Horrors that we have illegal alien criminals in our midst! And what about all those illegal speeder criminals that we encounter every day on the freeways? Laws must be obeyed, or penalties imposed!….

What ??? You mean you have never seen anyone get pulled over and get a ticket.
I believe that is the penalties imposed, and if you get too many you lose your license possible jail time. and the speeding ticket are not cheep and your insurance raises I suppose it would depend on were you live on if you see many getting a ticket but were I’m at it is all the time the police don’t play around. although some people do expect to much from the police lets preform miracle and catch them all and have every single speeder ticketed, Seriously

DawgDad

August 29th, 2011
11:56 am

Illegal immigration is an invasion of our sovereignty. Facilitiating illegal immigration is tantamount to treason and facilitators should be severely punished. I don’t care where the people come from, if they do not come here legally and are not eligible for political asylum then they need to leave, sooner rather than later.

DawgDad

August 29th, 2011
12:08 pm

And by the way, we are NOT a “nation of immigrants”. I am NOT an immigrant, I’m a native-born American citizen, as are the vast majority of American citizens (reportedly, our President, too!).

Chet

August 29th, 2011
12:11 pm

I find all of you very funny, because the key word in illegal immigrant is……….. ILLEGAL! There is no question of what they do, how they do it, or why they came. Immigrate legally or get deported.

You are either LEGAL or ILLEGAL…. there is no interpretation, assumption, or circumstance that changes that.

Not Blind

August 29th, 2011
12:12 pm

For Georgia we can keep arresting them and turning them over to the feds even if the feds turn them loose over and over. Arresting them and incarcerating them for a few days is a severe interruption of their lives and hopefully they will go to some other state. Some will say this is harrassment but it’s no different than arresting any other criminal. We are at war with mexico, some people just can’t see the reality OR they are trying to facilitate this invasion.

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MrLiberty

August 29th, 2011
12:13 pm

Free food atamps, free public schools, free medical care, free housing, free…..That’s what america has become, for legals and illegals alike. The truth is that as long as these freebies are on the table for anyone to take, plenty will show up for the spoils – legals and illegals alike.

Nobody really wants to deal with the socialist welfare state we have in this country. Nobody really wants to deal with the fact that the problem is the policy, not the illegals. There is nothing in the constitution that allows all of these entitlement programs. End the programs and the only folks who will come to america will be those wanting to enhance their circumstance through hard work.rather than welfare. Further, the end of these horrible programs would so enhance the economy that the presence of additional labor will be welcomed, rather than rejected. The added benefit of destroying the welfare dependency culture that now plagues our country cannot be overemphasized.

Those in need of true charity would receive it. Today every american knows that the government takes and takes and gives away to far more than deserve it and this situation is destroying traditional charitable giving and attitudes.

Yes, we need to make some changes in the way we just give away citizenship and voting rights, but we need to first change the way we just give away everything to both citizens and non-citizens alike. The parasites are killing the host.

bookman parrot

August 29th, 2011
12:18 pm

why stop there. just let everyone in, no questions asked; because that is the American way, in lib land. everyone is good and of course there is that “we can easily bs them into voting lib”.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

Every time a debate on illegal immigration crops up, you always hear about immigrant rights. What rights?

An illegal immigrant gave up any reasonable expectation of rights guaranteed by OUR constitution when they decided to circumvent immigration law. Therefore I see no reason to grant these rights to someone who CHOSE not to become a citizen.

If anyone here can argue this fact logically please do.

Anti Stupid

August 29th, 2011
12:23 pm

We have millions of illegal immigrants in this country. Unfortunely our demand for cheap labor and products brought them here. Simple supply and demand. Just like drugs come into this country because we demand it.

It doesn’t make sense to deport them all logistically, we should give them a path to legalization. Lets really secure our borders this time to prevent this from happening again.

It’s hard for me to support most of your racist agendas. I can feel the hatred in your tone and luckily most people don’t think like you. As you slowly age and die with those feelings this country will become a better place.

GodBlessAmerica

August 29th, 2011
12:34 pm

DawgDad!!!!! Pretty obvious you could well with few more “english & history classes”…….why not take up the challenge? We are living in year 2011 “draconian laws” and “dictators” are emancipating all over the world.Anyway, I will be praying a special prayer for you asking GOD to open your eyes, and give you wisdom, love & understanding.Take away your stony heart and give you a heart of flesh to walk in HIS love. So, one day, you too may testify of HIS goodness and new mercies forever and ever. God Bless you DawgDad.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
12:35 pm

@anti stupid

If you read any of my previous posts you would see, I agree with you to a point. Any person wanting to legally immigrate here should be met with open arms.

Conversely, if you choose to not become a legal citizen, and get caught here, you are BREAKING THE LAW, and why GIVE legal status to someone CHOSE not to take it?

The consequence of being deported is a result of the choice they made in staying here illegally, not because i hate them.

We are a country of laws, all I expect is that they be enforced, and abided by.

THATS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

LaTasheanne

August 29th, 2011
12:57 pm

“Congressional inaction often opens the door for presidents do what they want,…”

Bingo. These go-along-to-get-along Congressional geldings stood by when Presidents unilaterally started wars. Now they’ve ceded so much authority that they’re almost irrelevant.

reusha2000

August 29th, 2011
1:08 pm

Doc, They will leave !!
We need to remove the liberal hearts like yourself , right along with them!!

Joe suggs

August 29th, 2011
1:16 pm

Hey Doc : they pay little or no taxes ! Give them amnesty along with earned income credit , food stamps,welfare, public housing. How many millions do you want in this country illegally ? Let them live with you !!!!!!!!

ricardus

August 29th, 2011
1:26 pm

“Doc” – I would agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong. An illegal is an illegal. They are here illegally. They should have been deported years ago. Now it must be done.

Richard D

August 29th, 2011
1:28 pm

Hey, Kem, the word you are looking for is “break.” Braking is what you do in your car to slow down, breaking is what illegal immigrants are doing to the law. Just a tip.

Oh, and on the issue at hand: Deport them. In the mean time, you can make them pay taxes by going to a consumption tax (i.e. the Fair Tax). I’m all for legal immigration, after all, we are all immigrants of some form or another, but giving amnesty to the illegals is spitting in the face of those who came here legally, went to the naturalization process and earned their citizenship. If you support this move by Obama, then you need to reevalutate your understanding of the word “fair.”

reusha2000

August 29th, 2011
1:40 pm

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dohraba

August 29th, 2011
1:54 pm

The new policy does NOT grant anyone “legal status.” It only prioritizes certain cases and would close other cases. The cases that are closed don’t receive any status; if they were undocumented before, they still are, they won’t become “legal” and would not be on a path to citizenship. It’s one thing to disagree, it’s another to mislead and distort facts.

hsn

August 29th, 2011
1:56 pm

reusha2000 -

NumbersUSA is a nothing but a political wing of the John Tanton network operating as an “innocent grassroots” organization for immigration. Don’t be fooled. You can send all the faxes you want to, but YOU WILL NEVER GET enough votes to make it into law. Even if for some strange reason, you had the votes, there’s something called the veto power from the Executive branch.

There is a sane way to resolve this debacle which has worsened over several years. It REQUIRES both houses of Congress working TOGETHER to achieve a REALISTIC permanent solution. But there are a particular group of “bat shit brains” in Congress who want the other side to GIVE UP 100% of what they want in order for them to win 100%. That will not happen in a divided Congress. Every single solution the opposing side presents, they shout “AMNESTY, AMNESTY” and kill the debate.

They are not willing to compromise on even 1% of their principles to get a solution. BUT they exepct the other side to COMPROMISE. It ain’t gonna happen. Remember, the Republicans ARE STILL A MINORITY in CONGRESS.

hsn

August 29th, 2011
2:00 pm

reusha2000 -

NumbersUSA is a nothing but a political wing of the John Tanton network operating as an “innocent grassroots” organization for immigration. Don’t be fooled. You can send all the faxes you want to, but YOU WILL NEVER GET enough votes to make it into law. Even if for some strange reason, you had the votes, there’s something called the veto power from the Executive branch.

There is a sane way to resolve this debacle which has worsened over several years. It REQUIRES both houses of Congress working TOGETHER to achieve a REALISTIC permanent solution. But there are a particular group of “bat$hit brains” in Congress who want the other side to GIVE UP 100% of what they want in order for them to win 100%. That will not happen in a divided Congress. Every single solution the opposing side presents, they shout “AMNESTY, AMNESTY” and kill the debate.

They are not willing to compromise on even 1% of their principles to get a solution. BUT they exepct the other side to COMPROMISE. It ain’t gonna happen. Remember, the Republicans ARE STILL A MINORITY in CONGRESS.

GodBlessAmerica

August 29th, 2011
2:01 pm

Oh Chet!!!!!!!!! I am dismayed of your legal definitions of “illegal/legal immigrants”. Are you an immigration attorney? Are you aware of all the legal ramifications as it pertains to “legal/illegal immigration”? Are you aware of the “complexities of our immigration laws? Have you ever heard of “Human Rights”? Have you ever heard of “Due Process:”? Have you ever heard of a M.o.U. or a concordat as a matter of law”? Have you carefully examine the history of immigration in the U.S.A., demography, effects of immigration, public opinions, legal issues, immigration cultures, interpretive perspectives, and the economic impact? As soon as you do I am prepare to participate in a comprehensive debate. With thanks.

GodBlessAmerica

August 29th, 2011
2:06 pm

Dohoraba thanks for the clarity ……..well said……. thanks again.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
2:15 pm

@dohraba

Therein lies the problem……. there should be no prioritization of any sort, no case to review, If you are here “ILLEGALLY” you should be deported. End of story.

Illegal status means, by definition you are breaking immigration law, and should be deported.

If you do not want to be deported, become a citizen!

Obama nor any other citizen in this country regardless of how they feel about immigrants, have the right to choose which people breaking the laws of this country deserve a “special consideration”.

THE LAWS ARE IN PLACE, “ILLEGAL” immigrants chose to ignore or avoid them…..
and now our president has decided to do the same.

Regardless of how i feel personally, the decision and the actions being taken are unconstitutional, and against the law. Again, in case you missed it, NOT a personal opinion, this is what the law says.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
2:22 pm

@godblessamerica

Have you ever heard of stopping at the immigration office on your way in the country?

Ease of access is not my concern…. your argument for circumnavigation of the law is “its hard to do”?

Again I am not arguing that the policy is right or wrong, only that its in place and being ignored. I absolutely believe it should be changed…… but not avoided or ignored.

GodBlessAmerica

August 29th, 2011
2:32 pm

@ Mr Chet ……….Have you ever heard of “Deferred Status”? If you do, can you please elaborate?Thanks in advance.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
2:42 pm

@godblessamerica

I am, and TPS as well as DED requirements are established, my argument is not with the policy that is in effect, only that the Obama administration has no constitutional right to apply his own requirements to said cases.

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Dave Francis

August 29th, 2011
2:46 pm

Of course the open border zealots, the Catholic Church, religious faith groups, business lobbyists and others, want to disrupt the “Secure Communities and E-Verify policies, as this epidemic called illegal immigration cannot skirt around these enforcement innovations. If you contravene the law and get caught; your fingerprints are run through the FBI, ICE and Homeland Security data bases. Once you’re detained the state and local police obtain your prints and then if verified, ICE agents arrive to put a hold on you. As far as the majority of American citizens and residents, you’re a criminal when you entered this sovereign land of the United States; this is whether you dodged the border patrol or over stayed your welcome on a visitor’s visa. Your illegal, and should you be caught in the laws net, you should be arrested and consequently deported.

For the people who live in this nation lawfully, the question to ask is why is this civil offense and not a FELONY? Obviously this was intentional to mislead the naive general public. A subterfuge to reflect for thirty years, our laws were being enforced? Now we have to deal with 20 million plus foreigners without documentation, and although this has been a clever game played by every administration, the NEW TEA PARTY will enforce the 1986 Immigration laws. Then every politician, governor, mayor, judge, police chief will be evicted from office, which are favorable the economical nightmare caused by this illegal alien occupation.

The TEA PARTY (selected leaders) is the only politicians who will fully enforce the 1986 Simpson/Mazzoli bill. The Great state of Georgia, Alabama, Arizona and some to a lesser degree are using the power of their Legislative policing laws. These states are trying to stop the erosion of the financial safety-net, which illegal aliens are stealing from the old, sick and people mental disorders. The federal government has for years forcing unfunded mandates on States that can no longer afford the intrusion of our country by economic illegal aliens. The $113 billion dollars a year that is the amount paid out to these unwelcome foreign squatters should be paid out to supplement our Senior citizens, education of US citizen-resident education, health care and poverty programs. Not to appease illegal aliens with their large families, smuggled through borders.

The U.S. House of Representatives has to act immediately when it returns in September to send the world a reason to follow the law. The courageous and most authoritative signal it can launch, is to pass a nationwide mandatory E-Verify bill that not only stops illegal aliens from getting jobs, but forces business owners to fire the illegal aliens already working for them.

Rep. Smith said that President is trying to placate ethnic groups for not trying to move an amnesty bill through Congress, when Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. He was deporting thousands of unlawful foreigners, and then changed his mind under the pressure of activists. Now Obama believes in a giant, centralized administration and that is what he perceives; whether or not Congress goes along–and whether or not the American people go along. ..? That’s all very well, if you don’t live in a democracy. It’s not agreeable in the United States of America, where he has taken an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and the “Rule of law” and not just to single out and select which laws to enforce. He needs, as president of the United States, to make sure all laws are faithfully executed and that is really bothersome.”

Rep. Smith said Congress has two options to stop the new policy. It can hold oversight hearings or defund the agencies, but he said the best clarification is to elect a president that won’t provide amnesty through executive actions, again the People’s wishes.

If you want to see your taxation forever rising, then you can sit in your chair and do nothing. Just watch your country as politicians accommodate millions of poor from other countries, subsidized by your money.

The TEA PARTY has become a colossal grassroots movement of tens of millions of moderate Americans from all racial and religious backgrounds, political parties, no matter what the undesirable advocacy groups say? The TEA PARTY members share the focused values of restricted government, individual freedoms, personal responsibility, “fair” free markets and above all else returning control to the States and the people. For decades we have had a corrupt Taxation system, that must be rescinded and a flat tax imposed.

Rep. Lama Smith said that Pres. Obama is trying to make up for not trying to move an amnesty

The tax system was constructed by Attorney-legislators, who have built into the code, incentives, and subsidies and with 57 percent of the American people paying nothing. We need a tax code so everybody pays something, to save our country from bankruptcy. The TEA PARTY is about reforming all political parties and the control, so the key ideology of our Constitution, once again is the true foundation of which this nation is built. The TEA PARTY will have a zero -leniency policy on any kind of Amnesty, Sanctuary cities and States, Dream Acts or anything that supports further incursions of this affliction. The TEA PARTY is the ordinary people of these United States and is ready to expose the corruption in Washington and individual State.

Your vote counts and millions have joined the TEA American people of their taxes.
The Obama stimulus gave billions to banks, foreign and domestic with the assurance they would lend to small businesses which are the backbone of America and the job producers. Instead the banks invested the taxpayer’s money in money market accounts. None of these positive solutions happened and twenty million Americans are out of a full time job, while 8 million illegal aliens have been hired. Call your Senator or Congress person and complain, as you are the voter and have the power to throw them out of office. In this crushing recession we must ensnare every economic illegal alien and remove them forthwith.

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Chet

August 29th, 2011
2:47 pm

@godblessamerica

I’m sorry, I didn’t fully answer your question. Yes I do know that the president has discretion, within the guidelines set by Congress.

Again my argument is that Obama can not, at a time of his choosing, decide to review and apply his own set of guidelines to the process. Not without congressional approval.

M.L

August 29th, 2011
3:10 pm

It’s funny how these white people were not complaining about these (illegal’s) before the GOP screwed up this economy. They were hiring them to work at construction sites, do landscaping and even work in factories illegally.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
3:26 pm

@M.L

I’m pretty sure the GOP is not singularly responsible for the out of control government spending, the huge war budgets, or for that matter the immigration policy that is what we are discussing here.

Democrats, Republicans, Congress, and the President, are all to blame. No one party put us here, no one party can get us out.

As for the racial comments, NAACP has a website for that kind of thing. It has no bearing on the article written here, or the discussion.

hsn

August 29th, 2011
3:31 pm

Chet said, “.. Yes I do know that the president has discretion, within the guidelines set by Congress. Again my argument is that Obama can not, at a time of his choosing, decide to review and apply his own set of guidelines to the process. Not without congressional approval.”
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I hope along the same line of reasoning, you would also agree that the States (e.g AZ, GA, e.t.c) cannot also pass their own so-called “immigration enforcement” laws without Congressional approval either.

TZAZ

August 29th, 2011
3:36 pm

What I can’t figure out is why people want to to come to the US, legally or otherwise. This place sucks.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
3:37 pm

@hsn

Actually states have limited legislative power pertaining to immigration, but for conflicts between state and federal policy, the Supreme Court has final say.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
3:41 pm

@hsn

For example….. If the state of Arizona wanted to bring charges against an alien, as per their policy and not federal, it would be decided by the Supreme Court.

Filter

August 29th, 2011
3:50 pm

Vickie,

Newsflash…..you don’t speak for the American people. No one does, so to say that Obama is “not listening to the citizens” is nonsense. He may not be listening to YOU but according to a poll on (and this is too priceless) FOX NEWS at least half of America does believe that a path to amnesty is the right thing to do.

So speak for yourself but stop pretending everyone thinks like you.

Below is an excerpt and link.

Immigration
Views on how to handle illegal immigrants show little change. Half of Americans (50 percent) favor setting up a system for illegal immigrants to become legal residents — slightly more than the 43 percent who favor deporting as many as possible. These results are almost identical to findings from a June 2007 poll when 51 percent favored setting up a system to help illegals become legal and 39 percent favored deportation.

A 66 percent majority of Democrats favor creating a system for illegal immigrants to become legal, while a 60 percent majority Republicans favor deporting as many as possible.

http://blog.chron.com/immigration/2009/05/fox-news-poll-50-of-americans-support-amnesty/

T.L. Winslow (@historyscoper)

August 29th, 2011
3:53 pm

The US-Mexico problem has been festering for 200 years, so no wonder it’s causing the Constitution to groan under the boiler pressure. It’s all so avoidable if the Congress would unite behind the Megamerge Dissolution Solution of working step by step to incorporate Mexico peacefully into the U.S. so we can all finally share the New World and become a stronger meganation.

Learn more:

http://megamergedissolutionsolution.blogspot.com/

Never trust a guy with 2 first names

August 29th, 2011
3:54 pm

Dave Francis,

If you want to be a blogger, go for it. But if you want to be taken seriously then try and learn the basic rules of grammar first. Subject-verb agreement specifically.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
3:56 pm

@filter

Once again, you miss the point…. it doesn’t matter if 99 percent of the country feels that way.

If they feel that way they will elect a Congress that will change the policy. The office of the President of the United States of America DOES NOT have constitutional power to change said policy.

Checks and balances, it is the keystone of our governmental process. And in changing immigration policy without approval, The Obama administration has overstepped its legal bounds.

I’m not arguing my opinion here, this is fact.

Ezra

August 29th, 2011
3:57 pm

Doc

August 29th, 2011
5:19 am
You an idiot!

Ezra

August 29th, 2011
3:59 pm

Anti Stupid

August 29th, 2011
12:23 pm
You are stupid!

hsn

August 29th, 2011
4:01 pm

@ Chet: For example….. If the state of Arizona wanted to bring charges against an alien, as per their policy and not federal, it would be decided by the Supreme Court.
===========================================
Yeah, again, along the same line of reasoning, go ahead and sue the Obama administration on this policy, and let the Supreme court decide. See how it works?

Ezra

August 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

Filter

August 29th, 2011
3:50 pm
If you are going to chastise someone bring a complete understanding of your statistics. The so called percentages you spoke of was that the H2A, H2B, and H2C programs be used to facilitate entry into the United Sates. Those are working programs…just to finish your statistics.

Ezra

August 29th, 2011
4:06 pm

Everything Obama did as presidential or executive orders are temporary. The next commander in chief can void them out. We just need a different and an American leader.

Ezra

August 29th, 2011
4:07 pm

Chet

August 29th, 2011
3:56 pm
You are correct!

Ezra

August 29th, 2011
4:10 pm

Obama is losing face with the nation and now has resorted to liberal partisan executive orders to appeas the left and seek out new voters. He may do this for a while but what gets my hair raising is he thinks i am too stupid to see what he is doing. I am not stupid but I am blind when it comes to seeing his name on the ballot.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
4:11 pm

@hsn

Ahhhhh finally the right question. The problem is Supreme Court has no say over the president, he appoints them. Congress is responsible for that, and that is the big problem. Congress will not, and has not reformed policy themselves, nor will they use their power over the president to stop his unconstitutional change of the same policy.

So in effect what you have is another example of our government proving not only their noncommittal approach to the hard core issues that face our country, but also its total lack of constitutional procedure.

Whats so sad about this is that it isn’t only this issue, it is almost totally across the board. Every facet of our government is mired with problems just like this.

Until the american people change the people and the policies they elect, the state of our union will remain the same.

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illegals

August 29th, 2011
4:27 pm

let’s say that I know someone who hires spanish speakers without checking their backgrounds. and pays them cash for hours worked. no bennies, no taxes withheld. no social security contributions.

the folks that take these jobs are dependable, christian, hard working family types for the most part. many of them are caring for their folks in another country. they don’t dare speak up or speak out, or they’ll be replaced.

The alternative is hiring “locals” with a georgia education. These locals can’t add or spell. they are on drugs, sell drugs, or aspire to do both/either. they expect the world to kiss their butts and don’t follow direction. they are undependable, and have no sense of customer service. they are in love with their tattoos and cannot be trusted to take out the trash. one half of them are felons and thieves, the other half give away food and drinks to their buddies.

who would you rather hire for YOUR business? give these christian, family-minded capitalists some amnesty so that local businesses can prosper

hsn

August 29th, 2011
4:28 pm

@ Chet:
If you sue the administration on a federal policy, Federal courts decide, but appeals could force the case to be eventually decided by the Supreme Court (as it appears the Health Care Law is going to go).

That process has absolutely no bearing on whether the President appointed the Supreme Court justices or not. Separation of Powers still applies.

Now back to the States and Immigration. Immmigration is a Federal Policy, not a State one. My point was that Arizona had NO BUSINESS passing HB1070 because it is a direct subversion of the US Constitution. Ever heard of the Supremacy Clause? You can’t say the Obama administration overstepped its bounds on this, but give Arizona a pass on passing SB1070. Got it?

Filter

August 29th, 2011
4:29 pm

Chet,

I realize that you think you are the smartest guy int he room but if you’ll note my problem was Vickie’s statement that Obama needed to listen to the citizens when she clearly spoke only for herself. I am sick to death of people claiming to “speak for America” when no one does. People are free to say “I believe this or that” but it is the height of arrogance to claim some divine mandate to speak for everyone else.

Finally….mind your business. I wasn’t talking to you.

Filter

August 29th, 2011
4:32 pm

Ezra,

I didn’t claim to agree or disagree with the poll, only that it existed and was proof that Vickie didn’t speak for anyone but herself. I think it’s funny that it was a Fox News poll but the primary point is that it is only arrogance leads a person to believe that their ideas are so valuable that they represent the point of view of everyone else.

Oh, and to you too…..mind your business. I wasn’t talking to you.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
4:37 pm

Hey filter never claimed to be the smartest, just able to read and think rationally.

Second, your posting in a public forum, so need I say more?

Third, my comment was to address the fact that your statement along with so many others, bring nothing but public opinion and conjecture, words like “we think this” or “a majority of americans feel”. I merely wanted to point out that regardless of feelings, or polls, or your own viewpoints, policy can only be changed by congress. Not you, not me, not the president.

If you don’t want to defend your position, don’t take it into a public forum, next time you may actually run into someone smarter than you.

trishadishawareagle

August 29th, 2011
4:38 pm

I take it to a much more personal and vindictive level…

it is fact that illegal aliens cost US citizens about 160 Billion a year..
it is fact that over 2500 people a year die in wrecks with illegal aliens …
it is fact that 34% of the federal prison system inmates are non citizens…
so from this..I wish the following outcomes..

I hope ANYONE for amnesty for the illegal horde, have close family die as part of that 2500
i hope ANYONE for amnesty for the illegal horde, have close family victimized by the future illegal alien population of the federal prison system. And I hope you really really suffer after these things come to pass.

trishadishawareagle

August 29th, 2011
4:44 pm

@Illegals

Item #1..those illegals you are hiring have the equivalent of a 4th grade education..yes, thats higher education in the rathole called mexico…so that argument fails..our dropouts are no worse educated than their dropouts..these are not mexicos best and brightest..they are people who couldn’t even sell drugs well or paint a pinata.

item#2

Yes you get more work out of them, and the taxpayers all foot the bill, subsidizing your business model. When we go to a strict sales tax and no income tax, I will be glad to let the horde in.. but until then, their lives are simply not worth subsidizing, neither is your flawed business model.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
4:58 pm

@hsn

Did you read the post? States have limited legislative power over internal immigration policies, if the state chooses to act on these policies the supreme court decides the constitutionality of that rule at that time.

Secondly, The healthcare issue is a little different, that was a bill that was passed by congress.

This is a policy that the Obama administration unilaterally changed, without approval from congress.

You could attempt to sue, but since congress won’t call the action unconstitutional, you might have a hard time showing cause in a court of law.

Thats pretty much the point I’ve been trying to make the all day. Unless congress acts on this, there isn’t much that can be done.

hsn

August 29th, 2011
5:11 pm

@ Chet -

You obviously didn’t read my post either, or simply failed to make the connection(s).

You say :”States have limited legislative power over internal immigration policies, if the state chooses to act on these policies the supreme court decides the constitutionality of that rule at that time.”

What I am also saying is: ” The Executive Branch of the Federal Government has limited enforcement discretions with regards to Immigration. If any entity disagrees with its decisions, it can sue, and the Supreme Court will decide, finally, if it goes beyond the Federal courts.”

We can all agree that the complete solution lies with the Federal Congress because Immigration is a Federal policy.
If Arizona or Georgia wants the enforcement policies of A FEDERAL LAW changed, they HAVE TO GO THROUGH the FEDERAL CONGRESS. They cannot enact their own HB and SB series. That is overstepping their bounds AS STATES.

Albert

August 29th, 2011
5:23 pm

Hello everyone! Did you know that an amnesty is a pardon of political crimes? In this case people are discussing whether to label what the current administration in office is doing, by calling it an amnesty. I would say it is more like a comprehensive path with a fine. For example, if someone met the requirements, those which I will not discuss because of further arguments about said requirements being extremely easy to achieve, but if someone was to meet those requirements, then that person would be charged a fine. The fine is $2,000 per year of illegal residency. Along with a submission of “taxes not payed.” I quote this because currently there is approximately four billion dollars of unclaimed tax money that has been piling up in the IRS by some sort of “mythical” human race that actually doesn’t exist, yet they work and pay taxes they cannot reclaim. Some illegals have been here for 1-5 years others for 1-2 decades. You may do the math as to how much money must be payed. Again, not a pardon, therefore not an amnesty. As for comments like, “you knew you crossed illegally so go home with your anchers,” to that I say, makes sense…almost.
That reasoning makes sense. Why give residence to someone who broke the law? ( I would answer, so all the frozen IRS money circulates through the nation, bringing forth jobs, consumption, and an economic rise) but for a fair play lets say its just not right to do so, even though it would be smart. So the “anchors” should go home with their parents, I agree, as long as the anchor is a minor, or at least at an age where this “anchor” needs mom and dad.Oh yes and they should get their citizenship revoked, because an American should only be an American if he has roots in this country that date back to generations- who where also immigrants, just saying-. However, this anchor, had no knowledge of the crime at hand, equal punishment seems unfair? Regardless of how you view this matter, most of the sane population of America believes in Justice, which means we believe in allowing those unfairly judged a chance at redemption. (ahhemmm, Dream Act)
I would suggest that if we really want to get rid of the immigration population we should concretely agree upon doing so and change our laws and in whole our constitution. Lets make it clear that this is not a nation holding liberty and justice for all. Justice for the just, freedom for the free, not for the kid who was literally obliged to come as a prisoner and must remain a prisoner.
Go to school people. Educate yourselves, you will through that have more coherent arguments, and maybe come to an agreement, or at least a well planned and strategic way to find yourselves victors in this conflict that is immigration. Fair or not, at least be smart about it.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
5:23 pm

@hsn

You are correct….. but the key word is limited, the president cannot act outside the guidelines set forth by congress.

The ability to sue is based on the assumption that the actions being sued against are within the scopes of outlined authority given. You cant charge in a court of law, federal or otherwise that an act is unconstitutional if it was never approved or disapproved.

Obamas healthcare bill was approved by congress, therefore they said it was constitutional, a citizen disagreed, sued, and said citizen gets his case heard.

Congress is the only body capable of declaring this act unconstitutional.

Insofar as the argument over states rights, read title 28, part IV, chapter 81, 1251
that should sum up far better than I would be able to.

Filter

August 29th, 2011
5:24 pm

Chet,

And by reading your posts I can see who you think is smarter.

My point, which you apparently are incapable of seeing, is that people who claim to speak for everyone speak for no one but themselves. I was actually agreeing with what you wrote in your third point. I took no stand on the underlying issue but true to form you assume that you know what I believe and that I should somehow support a position that I have not expressed. Such unbridled arrogance.

You claim such wisdom, why is that so hard to comprehend.

Robin Ked

August 29th, 2011
5:26 pm

OBAMA deliberatly decided NOT TO ENFORCE the laws he was charged with when he took office!–they are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!—deport them!!

doc–they pay taxes…REALLY!!!!–the only taxes ILLEGALS pay is sales tax…UNLESS THEY’VE ALSO COMMITED IDENTITY FRAUD (& i hope it’s YOUR ssi that they STEAL)

You are sssooooo out of touch…you must live in 1 of the few states that HAVEN’T been OVERRUN yet!!!–i live in texas, i work as a nanny & am in DIRECT competition for jobs, salaries etc with these ILLEGAL, UNEDUCATED people & I’M SICK & TIRED OF PAYING TO SUPPORT THEM & THEIR 15+ ANCHOR BABIES!!!!!!!!!

immigration911.org–let your politians KNOW how u feel!!!

Patriotson

August 29th, 2011
5:32 pm

It is not shocking to see that Obama and Holder have thrown the US Constitution out the door for the expediency of votes. His love for illegals and their violation of immigration laws is evident by his refusal to enforce the immigration laws. Thousands of people have migrated to the US; gone through the hoops to apply for citizenship and Obama has thumbed his nose at the process and is granting criminals legal status and thus the vote in 2012. When we elect a new president, it is my desire to see Obama/Holder held before the judicial system for voilations of the laws of the United States. Gitmo would be the perfect place for him, the unions bosses; Holder and anyone else who has a contempt for anything that reflects “rule of law.”

Chet

August 29th, 2011
5:36 pm

@filter

Two things, I tried to point out to you earlier why i made the statements I did. I’m sorry if you can’t understand that.

I apologize for misinterpreting your post, but to be honest, my point would have still been the same.

Second, i have done nothing but reference constitutional law and try to make clear concise points pertaining to the article written and the discussion here.

If you see this as being lofty, flaunting my wisdom, or any other such nonsense, please feel free.
I merely wanted to debate various viewpoints on the article. If my using bad spelling, incorrect information, or railing about my own personal ideals on the issue would make you more comfortable, thats your problem not mine.

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Filter

August 29th, 2011
5:42 pm

I will rest on this, you seem to be a smart person but wisdom comes from humility. Wisdom and intelligence are not the same.

Time to go home.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
5:48 pm

@filter

Never claimed either, but which is worse….. the man who strives for wisdom by testing the knowledge he possesses, or the man who assumes he has amassed all the wisdom he needs and so forgoes the quest for knowledge?

Again apologies for the misinterpretation and good day.

hryder

August 29th, 2011
6:30 pm

I lived in New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas for 26 years. My wife and I regularly visit our former locales and visit with former neighbors, collegues, and friends from two to 4 1/2 months per year as well as innumerable telephone conversations per year. Most of our contacts have Hispanic surnames and we estimate that 75% are totally opposed to illegal immigration and any type of amnesty for illegals. All but one who knew the legal immigrant ancestors when the ancestor(s) was/were alive are outraged and believe illegals apprehended should be deported as quickly as possible and if more than twice jailed under extremely harsh conditions. The majority of people in the country have no idea about these states and their legal residents. We have been asked by several people where we now reside, if we ever have had any problems returning to the states from our frequent visits to New Mexico!

reusha2000

August 29th, 2011
6:47 pm

hsn,
IS A PLANT OR ILLEGAL ALIEN ADVOCATE, PROBABLY A PAID PLANT, TO DISCOUNT OUR OPINIONS !!
hsn,
ARE YOU LEGAL OR AN ILLEGAL WITH A SMALL EDUCATION ??

Len

August 29th, 2011
6:47 pm

I love our President, and for the most part, I support most everything he has done thus far, but, if he continues to release illegal aliens onto our streets with this new re- evaluation project, I will turn by back on him. The President should continue housing the illegal alien and processing arrest, as the law requires. If the budget doesn’t allow for it, it is up to Congress to take action in the form of law changes, or special appropriations.

How does he dare to release an illegal alien into the general public on US soil! What to work illegally, drive illegally, and use our precious resources. We need jobs, Mr. President. We need to protect our treasures. And, our general health. Most of the illegals do not have their vaccines, …..

Baker

August 29th, 2011
7:23 pm

If the illegals suddenly all left this country, then we’d be in a real bind. We’d beg them to come back.

So please think issues through before your make a horse’s rear end out of yourselves, wonks.

Chet

August 29th, 2011
7:27 pm

Really Baker? No I think getting rid of the millions here that chose not to follow the law and become citizens could be replaced very easily with the rest out there who are willing to do what it takes to be a true american citizen.

If your afraid of missing them though….. please go with them!!

eatmotacos

August 29th, 2011
7:29 pm

Obama’s strategy is based on the mathmatics of the electoral college. He has already written off Georgia and Alabama for other reasons anyway, and their combined electoral votes only equal 22 (Georgia 13, Alabama- 9). By pandering to Hispanics, he is increasing his chances in heavily Hispanic states, like Florida, with 25 electoral votes.

His handlers have done the math and concluded that, even though the majority of American voters, like those in Georgia and Alabama, disagree with his pro illegal immigration moves, they add more total electoral votes, which are based on the plurality takes all, within individual states.

eatmotacos

August 29th, 2011
7:34 pm

Basically, the electoral college allows the politicians to ignore the will of the majority. They are going to do what it takes to get elected, regardless.

Orange11

August 29th, 2011
7:35 pm

Keelhaul them all via the U.S.S. Constition!

eatmotacos

August 29th, 2011
9:05 pm

The majority of the electorate in Georgia is seemingly unaware that they are electing politicians who are joined at the hip with the largest employers of illegal aliens in the state. They are too unsophisticated to comprehend that the corporate sector chooses the most corruptible candidates they can find, which they blindly vote for, based soley on the letter after their name on the ballot.

tamara

August 29th, 2011
9:58 pm

What I wonder is why don’t people have a bit more sympathy for school children? What is yall’s deal? You think your granddaddy didn’t pack up his bags in England or Germany or Italy or Poland because he was poor as dirt and had no opportunities? Where is you sympathy? Your empathy? Instead you call them “illegals.” Shameful….

tamara

August 29th, 2011
10:04 pm

Enter your comments here

trishadishawareagle

August 30th, 2011
12:20 am

screw the school kids..they are costing me money. I hate having to fund the education of american citizens kids, I damn sure don’t want to pay for the education of the spawn of old mexico too. Empathy is baggage..I suggest you try to rid yourself of it before it costs you big time.

Chet

August 30th, 2011
12:32 am

@tamara

You are absolutely correct, My great-grandfather did come to this country, “poor as dirt”, “no opportunities”. He did come from Poland as a matter of fact too. My great-grandmother came here from Ireland, in much the same way.

What’s funny though is I don’t recall any stories about ducking ICE, or having to get an illegal social security number to work.

I remember stories about seeing the statue of liberty for the first time, spending days learning about american citizenship, how to speak english well enough so that they could be sworn in as citizens in “their new american language” as they called it. And these were all things they did because they wanted to be a part of this country. They wanted to be American.

If you choose to call me unsympathetic, or uncaring because I choose not to accept as an american citizen someone who is not willing to obey our laws. Someone not willing to do whatever is required to earn the right to be called a citizen, like both of my great-grandparents did, then I pity you.

Do I feel sympathy for those children, absolutely, I’m human. If their parents had made the decision to follow our laws they wouldn’t have to leave though would they? When those children grow up, they will have the same choice their parents did, how do you think they will choose?

People like you, would have us put the law and rules aside to make you feel better. I’ll feel better when I know all the people that are in this country are here because they chose to be part of it, and not just because people like you left the door open.

So instead of trying to make me feel guilty for enforcing the laws my family followed when they came here, try standing on the border and telling anyone coming in with kids that they should save you a lot of heartache and go become a citizen so they can stay.

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Rick in Grayson

August 30th, 2011
4:38 am

Chet:

Thanks for your last post. You have encapsulated the feelings of most of us on this topic. It’s not that we lack sympathy or empathy for illegal aliens, but that they have chosen to ignore our laws and yet still claim the “rights” of US citizens.

When citizens of the US and the invading illegal aliens refuse to adhere to the “rule of law” they choose to live in a state of anarchy. Those that choose to advocate for illegal aliens are already on the slipperly slope to anarchy. They like President Obama have chosen to ignore our laws or selectively enforce them.

Unfortunately, the choices and actions of those that advocate for illegal aliens have financial consequences for the rest of us. Obama has choosen to continue to force US citizens to subsidize the presence of illegal aliens and their children here in the US, whether or not their children are truly US citizens.

These advocates of illegal aliens speak about racism, yet most posts do not speak to the issue of race, simply that illegal aliens are in our country illegally regardless of their race. They embrace the support of La Raza (”The Race”) which only advocates for those of Hispanic origin which is an ethnicity which includes many “races”. La Raza shows no sympathy or empathy for those who are not Hispanic, only disdain.

These same advocates speak of xenophobia, yet these posts include no hatred of foreigners when they are in their own country. We only care when they enter our country illegally and we support them through our welfare system. We love having foreign tourists if they stay tourists or choose to remain legally in our country. We are a sovereign nation and have as much right as any country to protect our borders from those who wish to illegally occupy it.

It is indeed a sad day when our President, the highest elected official in the United States, chooses to place the interests of illegal aliens before the interests of US citizens and legal residents.

mpercy

August 30th, 2011
10:47 am

Democrats and others, like Pres. Bush, who seek any sort of amnesty are often prattling on about “law-abiding illegal immigrants” (and ain’t that an oxymoron!) and how we need to be charitable to them.

I know that charity and goodwill means seeing a man in need and inviting him into my home for food and shelter. But when a man crawls through an open window and helps himself to the contents of my pantry and trashes my home, I don’t think calling the police and hoping he goes to jail is a crime against humanity.

It behooves us all to distinguish between Hispanic immigrants and illegal border-jumpers. Anyone, no matter what race or original nationality, who comes to this country legally; who strives for citizenship; who embraces our language & culture while respecting their own traditions; who wants to help keep this country great–I welcome him with open arms and call him a fellow American.

Those who sneak into this country illegally; who break immigration, employment, identity, tax, zoning and even basic traffic laws on a daily basis; who reject our culture and retreat into barrios; who demand taxpayer-funded social services not even available to citizens in good standing–I have little sympathy for them and their “plight”.

trishadishawareagle

August 30th, 2011
11:54 am

President Obama’s accused drunken-driving uncle — who was busted after a near collision with a Framingham cop — has had a valid Social Security number for at least 19 years, despite being an illegal immigrant ordered to be deported back to Kenya, the Herald has learned.

The president’s 67-year-old uncle, Obama Onyango, has had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license and Social Security number since at least 1992, said Registry of Motor Vehicles spokesman Michael Verseckes

Hussein-o the clown is a vile POS

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Tony Maddox

August 30th, 2011
1:48 pm

We’ve been ‘backdoored’ by Obama!! Nothing this clown does surprises me anymore; he has taken this nation down to a new low. What can Brown (illegal aliens) do for me? Nothing! Absolutely NOTHING!!

Chet

August 30th, 2011
2:10 pm

@Rick in Grayson

Good to see someone else out there is paying attention. It breaks my heart to see the sacrifices and hard work that every legitimate citizen in this country (be it three generations back or working to get in now) degraded, and spit on by our government.

The Obama administration in making this decision has de-valued our american citizenship in the eyes of every person in the world. Instead of american citizenship being something to strive or work for, its now just given to anyone our president wants to let in.

Not good enough, not by far.

You dishonor my family, Mr. Obama.

You dishonor the trials and tribulations of every legal immigrant to ever be sworn in as a citizen.

I write this in hopes that one day I won’t have to leave this country for something better, like my great-grandparents did. I know there are people like me out there everywhere, we need to stand up now, for our rights, for our beliefs, and to honor the decisions made by our own families.

Chet

August 30th, 2011
2:55 pm

If anyone out there has any doubts as to Our presidents motives pertaining to immigration, please go to google and type in Onyango Obama. This is not the only member of Our esteemed presidents family to encounter these types of problems.

Old Dawg

August 30th, 2011
6:10 pm

Here’s a fast and easy solution to the problem: enact Mexico’s Immigration policies – they’re some of the toughest in the world. I know, it’s a harsh and cruel way of solving the problem. At the same time, what other country would allow over 30 million people to cross its borders illegally?

Certainly not our neighbors to the south.

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Ugly American

August 31st, 2011
2:16 am

One question has come to the top of the Immigration Discussion in recent days:
Does Obama have any relatives who are in the United States LEGALLY?
What is being demanded of us by foreign nationals is that we make an exception for them because of race or national origin to our laws which apply to everyone equally regardless of race, creed or national origin. They say it is racist to require of unregistered foreign nationals the same as we require of all citizens and legal visitors to our country.
Does crossing the border illegally somehow convey special privileges to ignore the laws of the country if they don’t agree with them?
We don’t need the DREAM act and we don’t need 10% of Mexico’s population to live in the US without permission. These people knew they were breaking the law when they came here and they knew there was a chance they would be deported if caught. Crossing the border does not impart the rights to stay, work, raise a family, vote or protest laws against illegal entry without fear of arrest.
We need to send them all back where they came from. And that includes any more of Obama’s relatives we catch, too.

Dyan Kroger

September 2nd, 2011
1:37 am

Thanks for sharing, this was interesting to read and very helpful.

Opal Begay

September 2nd, 2011
2:11 am

Very inspiring, nice to know others are also interested in these things!

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