Animal “Rights” Whackos Target Foie Gras

God Bless the animal rights loonies.  They can, temporarily at least, relieve our minds of having to deal with truly important issues.

The nation’s debt is well in excess of $14 trillion; and despite much rhetoric to the contrary by both major parties in Washington, our annual deficits continue at unsustainable levels.  Our military is involved in an eight-year old conflict in Iraq, and another that is a decade long, in Afghanistan; both matters that drain significant national economic and personal resources.  Our federal Energy Department, created nearly two generations ago with the express purpose of reducing our country’s reliance on foreign energy sources, has failed miserably at its primary task, even as it continues to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars each year.  And, this administration, like its predecessor, continues to infringe Americans’ privacy and other civil liberties, as if the Bill of Rights were a quaint but no longer relevant afterthought to the powers exercised by the federal government.

This short list is but the tip of the iceberg of major problems currently confronting the United States.

Yet, with all these issues that ought to concern citizens, what issue occupies the attention of a group of so-called animal “rights” activists in Atlanta?  They are apparently worried sick that a restaurant in our fair city might continue to offer the delicacy known as foie gras, to customers who enjoy the seared goose liver. I kid you not; foie gras to these fringe activists obviously is far more crucial to the future of our country than the national debt, taxes, wars or civil liberties (at least those that apply to humans).

The “Animal Protection and Rescue League” (APRL), based in San Diego, California, has decided Atlanta is the new Ground Zero for their vitally important effort to protect a few geese from having their livers cooked for those humans savoring the dish.  The group had a few “animal rights” activists waving anti-foie gras signs near the Buckhead restaurant, “Bistro Niko,” last weekend.

Animal rights groups’ record of success in forcing restaurants to stop serving foie gras, or convincing governments to do so by law, is marginal at best.  For example, only one state – California (of course) – has passed a law prohibiting production of foie gras (thereby indirectly preventing restaurants from serving it).  Only one city – Chicago – has banned foie gras from restaurants in its jurisdiction; although the Windy City later repealed the ban.  The anti-foie gras crowd also is lobbying the Hawaiian legislature, even though the Aloha State last year defeated such a ban.

Notwithstanding such a – thankfully — dismal record of legislative success, these animal right-ists spend their time (and indirectly the time of restaurant managers, owners and patrons forced to deal with them) on an issue that in the scheme of things does not even rise to the level of remotely important to this country.

There always will be individuals and organizations focused on or excited by minor or fringe issues; and that’s fine.  It’s a free country (at least in that respect).  And, there always will be people with money who are inclined to fund such efforts; and here too, they should be free to do so.  But intelligent American citizens and lawful businesses such as restaurants should be free to ignore such nonsensical efforts; and they should.  Even more importantly, state and local government legislators hopefully will continue to understand that prohibiting restaurants from offering a product desired by its patrons is un-American and should not become a subject for legislative restriction or prohibition.

by Bob Barr – The Barr Code

168 comments Add your comment

Jim

April 22nd, 2011
5:59 am

The animal rights groups protest the serving of foie gras because the goose is tortured in order to grotesquely enlarge its liver. Similarly, real veal (not legally sold in the U.S.) is derived by torturing calves — kept motionless in a box and milk fed for their entire short lives. There are plenty of good foods out there that don’t require cruelty. Or is that too loony?

Carlos Mencia, Esquire

April 22nd, 2011
6:03 am

Cultivate empathy

Rightwing Troll

April 22nd, 2011
6:17 am

F-R-E-E S-P-E-E-C-H… It’s not just for those whose point of view you agree with, it’s for us all… Now, where’s your article about NRA “whackos” or flagger “whackos”?

Bob Cottrell

April 22nd, 2011
6:24 am

God Bless Good Ole Boy Bob Barr. He can, temporarily, at least, relieve our minds of having to deal with what he calls truly important issues by taking the time to rant about Foie Gras. I’d say Bob is the “Wacko” (check the dictionary, Bob) here.

He’s exemplifies the typical conservative who can’t relate to anything but his own views and wouldn’t know cruelty to any creature, human or animal, if it jumped up and goosed him.

Sue

April 22nd, 2011
6:25 am

Hey Bob, if you’re so darned concerned about war, economics, and civil liberties than you should dedicate your freakin time to THOSE THINGS. Those who are concerned about how horribly the geese are treated in order for WACKOS like you to eat what you’ve been led to believe is a DELICACY are trying to do something about that. What exactly are YOU, BOB, trying to do about war, the state of the economy, and Americans loss of civil liberties? Huh, Bob? What EXACTLY are you f-in doing for what you claim to believe in so much? Huh, Bob? Didn’t hear your answer, Bob, in your ranting and raving above. So, Bob, what exactly is your answer to all of the important issues you are so f-in concerned about? Huh, Bob? Tell us, Bob. Go ahead, do it. Stand up for what you believe in, Bob.

Animal Rights supporter

April 22nd, 2011
6:36 am

Bob, you clearly are an idiot.

Mongo

April 22nd, 2011
6:59 am

“Even more importantly, state and local government legislators hopefully will continue to understand that prohibiting restaurants from offering a product desired by its patrons is un-American and should not become a subject for legislative restriction or prohibition.”

Can we assume that this philosophy would also apply to marijuana?

Mongo

April 22nd, 2011
7:03 am

BTW: foie gras and veal are damn tasty. Banning them is just the first step in the insane agenda of the vegan weenies who’s end goal is to ban meat and force everyone to be a weedeater.

JJ

April 22nd, 2011
7:16 am

Who cares how the darn goose is treated? Goose Liver is delightful. Also, an attack on civil liberties, such as the ones these wacko animal rights activists are perpetuating IS a huge deal. We have principals in Chicago banning sack lunches, Legislatire in New York labeling Tag Football as “dangerous” and in need of regulation; Tennesse has outlawed the word “gay” and any talk of homosexuality in its schools, and some nut-job in Cali is actually trying to sue McDonalds for offering TOYS with their happy meals. Yeah, this is something to be looked at, and frowned upon.

ecs

April 22nd, 2011
7:16 am

This article is a stunning example of why I rarely read the local media. Bob Barr, only a sociopathic right wing idiot could be so dismissive of animal rights advocates. Your “article” is nothing but a troll, as is its author.

abouttime

April 22nd, 2011
7:26 am

Good for those animal rights “WACKOS”. Ghandi once wrote that man can be judged by the way it treats it’s animals. I think that says a lot about the people who would support eating Foie Gras. Those animals will eventually serve as food but to torture them (yes shoving a metal pipe down there throat and force feeding them until there liver almost explodesis torture)is just inhumane.

abouttime

April 22nd, 2011
7:27 am

their not there

the watch dog

April 22nd, 2011
7:31 am

If restaurant customers are aware of how geese are tortured in order to have nice plump livers for the enjoyment of the eating public then it is alright. I would not eat Foie Gras now that I know of the poor treatment of the geese. Geese on the other hand are a particularly agressive bird, much like the middle east militants. If the U.S. had adopted a spirit of neutrality in the middle east, instead of 14 trillion dollard deficit, it would be operating with a budget surplus.In the last few days alone, there have been four combat deaths from the 10th Mountain Division alone, all in their teens or early twenties, that is pretty young. I see this goose business as a low priority in relation to the afore mentioned. Not withstading, the continual assault on the fourth amendment rights. “nothing diminishes the human spirit more quickly than the unhealded search and seizure at any hour of the day or night”.

Dave

April 22nd, 2011
7:31 am

And Bob Barr knows a thing or two about getting excited (and even burning up taxpayer dollars!) over minor or fringe issues, such as presidents’ private sexual affairs, etc.

NS

April 22nd, 2011
7:40 am

I too at one time, believed that the geese were tortured in the production of foie gras but after visiting a foie gras farm in Normandy, France I changed my mind. Foie gras is not mass produced and the geese live on beautiful farms where they are free ranging and once a day the farmer herds them into his barn and very gently puts a tube down the goose’s throat and feeds him or her a gruel mixture. It only lasts about 20 secs and the geese did not appear to be overly upset by the process, in fact the farmer easily does this on his own without the need for any assistance in restraining the bird. Compared to the massive and often inhumane industrialized farming practices used in the US for the production of a wide range of dairy products and animal proteins, the production of Foie gras is very tame and humane.

Tom

April 22nd, 2011
7:46 am

Just about all animals that are harvested for their meat are treated in a way that someone will consider cruel. If the elimination of animal cruelty is truly the target, then why not start with the larger problems of over population of dogs and cats, that are stray? Once that problem is solved, move onto the next one that effects the most animals. I am sure that goose liver will be very low on the list. Can’t believe someone is concerned about animal cruelty until this approach is taken. Otherwise they are just looking for drama and something to occupy their lives.

Stephen

April 22nd, 2011
7:46 am

I like to hunt, kill, and eat geese and duck in season. I guess steel shot to the head/chest is less torture than a metal pipe down the throat. Although you have to wring a few necks for the ones still kicking like the AFLAC duck.

Damian

April 22nd, 2011
7:47 am

Bob is very old. And his opinions are even older.

Rightwing Troll

April 22nd, 2011
7:48 am

abouttime

April 22nd, 2011
7:48 am

NS: check the record of the company that supplies Foie Gras to Bistro Niko. More out of a horror movie than a lovely countryside in Normandy France.

Damian

April 22nd, 2011
7:49 am

Stephen’s comment above is due to his small penis and I.Q.

abouttime

April 22nd, 2011
7:53 am

Tom: My good friend was involved in the protests at Bistro Niko and has spent every weekend for the last 3 years volunteering at Lifeline animal project helping adopt out those homeless dogs and cats. I assure you that he and most of those protesters are not just looking for “drama and something to occupy their lives”.

Brett C.

April 22nd, 2011
7:57 am

Bob, I respect you and sympathize with your idea that issues like this are distracting from other, even more urgent concerns needing addressing.

However, I disagree with the way you are attempting to defraud the issue of animal rights. As a libertarian and carnivour, I both welcome and encourage the raising and consumption of poultry and other livestock. However, I place great importance on doing so in a responsible, humane manner. Afterall, holding issues like that with importance- even reverence is a right given to myself and others just as any other right.

If it helps, you could instead frame the issue as liberty loving Americans putting that liberty and their passions to work as free people ought to be able to.

Your ignorance on this issue is so diassappointing, even surprising. To such a degree even, that it is grossly uncharacteristic of you. Surely, the wars are are far more costly and futile, but on this issue you’ve made a judgement in haste and without due thought democracy in action. The activists aren’t seeking to affect sweeping national change as generally prohibited in the Constitution, but local change as ordered by the Tenth Amendment.

Surely perhaps, these activists could be working on other issues, dedicating their time to larger national priorities similar to yours, but you’ve overlooked their side of the story, their right to affect change in their manner of choosing, and least of all, the tragedy and real suffering that foie graas truly is. This isn’t a silly inconsequential issue, Bob. A libertarian ought to know this, and one as influential as yourself ought to pick battles and focus on issues that serve to affect positive changes such as those you’ve suggested as an alternative, instead of disenfranchising supporters of an agenda that admittedly regulates private businesses, but serves to prevent suffering and inhumane practices in the presence of alternatives. Bob Barr acting to derail supporters of humane livestock treatment is no less wasteful than that movements supporters engaging in democracy.

Blog Soup

April 22nd, 2011
8:01 am

Bob Barr is………..RIGHT!! We can’t let the feds kill the goose that laid the golden egg: namely our constitution. The damnable feds are going through our civil rights like sheet through a goose! Well let me tell you something, Uncle Sam: what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Pate de foie gras is an hor doeuvres (my kingdom for an umlaut. sigh), and maybe the proper wine escapes me, but for once Bob Barr has tabled a worthwhile discussion.

Coffee Break. Be Back.

Alex Turner

April 22nd, 2011
8:08 am

Engaging and well written article! This tops anything I have read lately on the subject at hand. I wonder if this’ll be posted on Twenty-First Tycoon. Although the site has awesome political, business, technology and real estate news, they could use more stuff like this. http://www.21Tycoon.com

Pey

April 22nd, 2011
8:10 am

Foie Gras is currently banned in 15 countries. It will be banned in California next year. Clearly, many other countries in the world have made an educated decision to ban the horrible cruel practice of force feeding the birds. Thank you to the people who are willing to go out their on their own time to educate the public about the torture that goes on to produce the diseased livers. I applaud them for having the courage to speak up. I hope to see/hear of more protests until the cruel and disgusting dish is off of all menus.

Matt

April 22nd, 2011
8:12 am

I love Foie Gras! The best Foie Gras is produced by a process known as “gavage,” or force-feeding. Typically, the force feeding is performed 4-6 times a day for 2-5 weeks, depending on the size of the fowl. Using a funnel attached to a slim metal feeding tube inserted into the bird’s throat to deposit the food through the esophagus.

See, the best Foie Gras comes from a very fat goose or duck. For the liver to taste good, it must be severely enlarged and fat almost having liver disease. The best taste comes from liver that has swollen up to 12 time it normal size. It’s not natural for this to occur in most animals, that’s why they have to force the food through the animal’s esophagus and keep them in a very small cage so it cannot move.

I don’t know why so many people are upset about this process. We’re just going to eat the duck/goose in the 1st place.

Yum, yum, yum. And at $25 for a small appetizer plate, I want the best Foie Gras. When you order this dish at a restaurant, you know you are from an elite class in society. I LOVE IT!

Melody

April 22nd, 2011
8:15 am

There is documented proof of the cruelty that is involved in producing Foie Gras. For more information and to see pictures of what happens go to http://www.stopforcefeeding.com.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
8:27 am

Hey Bob

The country is falling apart, Obozo’s poll numbers are dropping like Hillary Clinton’s boobs and you’re typing about animal rights groups?

Come on dude.

Barack

April 22nd, 2011
8:32 am

Foie Gras is no different than American’s bloated wallets. I like to torture them…fatten them up…and enjoy all there tax dollars…tasty like a good goose liver

Patrick

April 22nd, 2011
8:34 am

Barr is just another wing-nut calling himself a Libertarian. And a hypocrite too…he says that it is a waste of time and money for activists to try and protect animals from abuse, but according to Wikipedia, while Barr was in Congress he proposed that the Pentagon ban the practice of Wicca in the military.[34][63] Me-thinks trying to ban Wicca in the military is a far bigger money and time-waster than protecting sentient ducks from being tortured– to satisfy one’s taste buds. But consistency has never been a strong point of the neo-cons. It also seems strange that “Libertarians”, who allegedly belief in a non-aggression principle, don’t mind aggressing against helpless innocent creatures.

carlosgvv

April 22nd, 2011
8:42 am

There always have been and always will be a large number of major problems facing our country. To say we should just ignore amimals being tortured because of these other serious problems we face is an indication of a callous personality.

Blog Soup

April 22nd, 2011
8:48 am

Brett C: diarrhea of the brain.

You’re quite mad, you know.

And what R the rest of you squawking about? Do you know how they make cat soup? Or frog legs? The best cowbrains (sesos) is formed by showing the cow a series of easy to follow quadratic equations followed by the sequence of digits that comprise the number for Pi. In other words, everything that tortured us baby boomers in elementary school. Maybe no creature should be subject to such cruelty. Maybe the lion should be George-Foreman Grilled with the lamb, and our swords be braised down and then refried into plowshares, and nations should invent rules for tailgate parties, maybe meeting in a little town called Geneva or something, I don’t know, I’m just making this up as I go along.

morons.

Andrea

April 22nd, 2011
8:55 am

Dear Bob, it is possible, and very likely, that these animal rights activists are concerned both with the issues that threaten our country, as well as ending the inhumane treatment of animals. Just thought I’d send a little logic your way! Andrea

Civilian

April 22nd, 2011
8:57 am

“There always have been and always will be a large number of major problems facing our country. To say we should just ignore amimals being tortured because of these other serious problems we face is an indication of a callous personality.”

Genius Carlos…Freudian even. This citation deserves to be enscribed on the halls of all schools. Pure brilliance my friend…give us more!!

carlosgvv

April 22nd, 2011
9:04 am

Civilian

I must give credit where credit is due. Your brilliant comments here give me the fantastic inspiration I need to be able to soar to such heights of greatness.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
9:06 am

Bob prefers special cheese made in a humane way

Borat: My wife make this cheese.
Bob Barr: It’s very nice.
Borat: She make it from milk from her t!ts.

Trapped in a Red state

April 22nd, 2011
9:11 am

Where do we start on this subject…This past week it was reported that 50% of all meats contained bacteria resistant to antibiotics. These are 2rd generation mutations. Why the sudden surge in infections. Farmers have successfully lobbied for years to have unlimited access and use of penicillin without requiring a vet. This penicillin is necessary for raising hogs, because farmers place the breeding females in cages too small for them to turn around…hogs are pretty smart, so confining them in this manner creates extreme stress…which causes their immune systems to break down…thus requiring the unlimited supply of penicillin. So, these unregulated “factory farms” now create staph infections that we can’t treat. All we had to do was require that farm animals be treated “humanly”. Give them enough space to keep them healthy and no drugs are needed. The farms have become “corporate farms”…efficiency, cost effectiveness driven factories dealing in live animals.
Well, if we can’t bring ourselves to care enough to prevent animal cruelty in it’s many forms…then at least now, we may have to do so for the sake of our OWN health. With people like old Bob here. That is the only way the animals get any sympathy at all.
Go eat that nice thick rare steak Bob…it’s ok…go ahead now.

back to work now

April 22nd, 2011
9:25 am

What a contradiction in the same article! Stating that to a “group of so-called animal “rights” activists in Atlanta…foie gras to these fringe activists obviously is far more crucial to the future of our country than the national debt, taxes, wars or civil liberties”. And then just a little further down to state: “There always will be individuals and organizations focused on or excited by minor or fringe issues; and that’s fine”. Well–not apparently in the FIRST part of your article. Please edit a little more before posting these.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
9:30 am

Speaking of animals. Here’s yet another example of a hate crime that Cynthia Tucker and Jay Bookman ignore.

Two black females beating the hell out of a white patron, while several black employees stand by and watch. One black male manages to provide the facade of assistance to the white victim in this brutal attack.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
9:32 am

“To say we should just ignore amimals being tortured because of these other serious problems we face is an indication of a callous personality.”

I’m more concerned about high gas prices, high unemployment, a retard in the White House and inflation, carlos.

If you are so concerned about animal torture, go protest a KFC.

back to work now

April 22nd, 2011
9:34 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Don’t feed the Troll

Thinking Citizen

April 22nd, 2011
9:38 am

There is so much fear being expressed about our “rights” being taken away.
Consider for a moment: When slavery was abolished, the “right” to own slaves was taken away. When women gained the right to vote, the “right” of society to subordinate woman was taken away.
Just because something is legal, that doesn’t make it right.
Change is imperative for progress.
Kudos to the activists and concerned citizens for taking a stand against cruelty.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
9:42 am

Don’t feed the Troll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to work now

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
9:48 am

Trapped in a Red state

Is someone keeping you in a red state against your will? Like I tell every left winger, Delta is ready when you are.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
9:49 am

“Bob, you clearly are an idiot.”

What a profound statement. When you can’t argue or debate the subject, you resort to name calling. You’d fit in quite well over on Kookman’s blog.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
9:54 am

I just took a big wow and it smeared the bowl after I flushed.

carlosgvv

April 22nd, 2011
9:59 am

WOW – 9:32

All I’m saying is it doesn’t have to be either one or the other. We can, and should be concerned about greed-driven high gas prices, high unemployment, an inept president, inflation AND animal abuse. And, posting that blacks beating a white patron has earned you the liberal award “politically incorrect and insensitive person of the week”.

TRobin

April 22nd, 2011
10:03 am

Why is it that everyone assumes that these animal activists are only fighting for one thing and they are not concerned with all of the above? I believe that to be true ignorance on your part, Bob. So what you are saying to your readers is…”Leave the little things alone until we get all the big stuff figured out.” Well, let’s face it- nothing would ever be accomplished! There is no delicacy in the dish foie gras. I hope since the AJC requires only facts in their articles you actually did some research before giving your opinion so freely. Educate yourself on foie gras and see if you would still want it on your plate.

ED MULRENIN

April 22nd, 2011
10:06 am

IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WRITE ABOUT, BOB, YOUR FOLKS MUST BE REALLY PROUD OF THEIR SON AND HIS BRILLIANT CAREER. WHAT A LOSER.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
10:16 am

“And, posting that blacks beating a white patron has earned you the liberal award “politically incorrect and insensitive person of the week”.”

LOL!!!! Whaaaaaaaat?

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
10:17 am

BULLSEYE is a necrophiliac.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
10:18 am

ED MULRENIN

And what do you do for a living, troglodyte?

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
10:22 am

Dying ain’t much of a livin wow.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
10:23 am

“Dying ain’t much of a livin wow.”

Well, in you case, plugging the dead is living.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
10:28 am

that means you’re next. smile for me.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
10:30 am

“that means you’re next. smile for me.”

I got years left on me, Bull$hit. You’ll have to find someone else for your nasty habits.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
10:35 am

You as nasty as they come little feller. Little smear on a big bowl.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
10:36 am

“You as nasty as they come little feller. Little smear on a big bowl.”

You must be someone I beat up in high school.

Native Atlantan

April 22nd, 2011
10:38 am

Protesting foie gras makes about as much sense as Bob even writing this article. Really? Best you could do this morning?

Aaron

April 22nd, 2011
10:42 am

It’s a testament to people’s ignorance that the usual response to an animal rights issue is “what about the suffering of the poor, the hungry and the downtrodden. Aren’t they more important and more worth your time?” Assuming this one issue is the sole focus of every individual there shows a lack of understanding of the group of people being targeted. Most of these “crazy animal rights people” are also active in social justice, the needy, and confronting unnecessary suffering in all it’s forms. The entire blog is based on attaching an overly simplified and ignorant stereotype to a group of people because it will draw a knee-jerk reaction. I wouldn’t expect that a columnist for Atlanta’s major newspaper would have to stoop to those levels to inspire a response from his readers.

Marilyn

April 22nd, 2011
10:53 am

Well Bob, this group of animal whackos must be accomplishing great things because you are taking the time to write about them. If people only cared about what you listed in your blog the United States would be completely hopeless. It is nice to read articles like this and realize your generation will soon be replaced with a compassionate one. I look at my children and grandchildren and I am given hope.

Dino

April 22nd, 2011
11:03 am

Pretty funny stuff from Mr. Barr. After all, it was his Republican party which got us into the war in Iraq through a pack of lies and brought this country into the worst recession since the Great Depression. And the part about infringing on personal liberties? here’s a guy whose party wants to abolish a woman’s right to choose and ban internet gambling. The hypocrisy is amazing. But Barr is a champion of animal abuse. While serving in congress, he was one of a handful of reps who voted in favor of animal “crush videos”. So if stomping and kicking a small animal to death, for the fun of it, is fine by him then certainly what they do to these poor birds is of absolutely no consequence. But as usual with the defenders of animal abuse, Barr completely avoids the pain, suffering and death that these animals are forced to endure. The tactic of cruelty advocate is always the same, attack the messenger. Try to marginalize them. I wish that every person was required to watch a copy of “Earthlings”. I believe it would have a profound effect on most people’s level of compassion toward truly the most vulnerable and defenseless members of our society. But I do stress the word “most”. People like barr, ted nugent, the maulder brothers (microwaved a dog to death), any dogfighter and the list goes on ad nauseum, ENJOY watching animals suffer. But the AJC gives sociopaths like this a soapbox and for a couple of minutes civilization takes a blow below the proverbial belt.

MLeake

April 22nd, 2011
11:07 am

Note to the animal rights advocates:

There are many areas where I’d probably agree with you, and some where I would not. However, the tone of the speech most of you use in here is a major turn-off. If you hope to gain any support from centrists, you might want to cut back on the cursing, name-calling, and character assassination. It makes you come across like loud-mouthed, adolescent bullies, even though most of you are probably relatively nice and relatively well-spoken in person.

In other words, abrasiveness and obnoxiousness hurt your ability to get your message across.

Or, you get more flies with honey than with vinegar.

beth kesselring

April 22nd, 2011
11:16 am

Do you really think animal rights activists think their beliefs regarding animal rights are more important than any of the issues our country is dealing with? Or is that an opinion? Don’t you think it’s a good thing that some groups of people understand animals rights and do what they can to make that small part of life on planet earth a little better? Just like some groups of people understand politics, some understand business, some understand education, and some understand health care… so on and so on. Do you think that the people of let’s say, Nasa have discussion pages that say “we have much more important things going on in space so why are all these politcal “whackos” worrying about the national debt “We all have different passions and beliefs, don’t we, so isn’t it a good thing that people are out doing what they can to try to make our world a better place for all living things. I think it’s really unfair and in bad taste to call passionate people “whackos.” Think about it….

Junior Samples

April 22nd, 2011
11:21 am

It’s official, Bob no longer supports Free Speech.
Shut down your blog, Bob.

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
11:21 am

Lets be honest is there really a humane way to kill anything,if it’s for consumption I’m ok with it. And as for the other issues that our country is faced with I agree with BB. While we sit here debating mistreatment of animals our beloved Gov just spent another billion. We as a country are bankrupt and these clowns (repubs & dems) just dont get it. We have to freeze spending back to a sustainable rate,and forget about taxing the producers unless we are honest enough to tax the non-producers. This self entitlement society thats been allowed to fester for the past 30-40 years is out of control. Diatribe over for now

Annie

April 22nd, 2011
11:23 am

“Never be afraid to do what’s right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society’s punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”
~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

I guess you are society’s punishment for them for not looking the other way.

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
11:30 am

Oh and by the way has anyone seen how corn is harvested?…………………….oh the horror. Corn is a living thing right?

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
11:34 am

Go count your pennies Caz.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
11:36 am

“After all, it was his Republican party which got us into the war in Iraq ”

Are you retarded?

Isa for the animals

April 22nd, 2011
11:36 am

I am hardly a “whacho”. I have a Masters Degree in Business, and speak four languages. There is nothing I can do about the national debt, except pay my bills, which I do. I am not one of those people filing bankruptcy to avoid paying my bills. There is nothing I can do about taxes. I do not set the tax rate, and I wish something good was done with our tax money here in the U.S, other than fund a war. I also cannot stop the war. I have helped people in the past, but only gotten stabbed in the back with a machete. But what I CAN do is to do be a great mom, an equal partner in marriage and speak for the animals who suffer and are used and abused by the human”kind”. Even the Bible talks about kindness to animals, but the majority of the so called Christians in this country choose to skip those parts. I wish a beautiful day to all those who also include animals in their circle of compassion! May God bless you!

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
11:37 am

“But the AJC gives sociopaths like this a soapbox and for a couple of minutes civilization takes a blow below the proverbial belt.”

Dino = bed wetting left winger. Dino needs her diaper changed.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
11:37 am

“I guess you are society’s punishment for them for not looking the other way.”

MLK was a registered Republican.

beth kesselring

April 22nd, 2011
11:38 am

“Notwithstanding such a – thankfully — dismal record of legislative success, these animal right-ists spend their time (and indirectly the time of restaurant managers, owners and patrons forced to deal with them) on an issue that in the scheme of things does not even rise to the level of remotely important to this country.”
Did you survey the entire country Bob? YOUR opinion is not that of the country! Maybe your senior citizen community agrees with you but not the country. My generation feels differently and lets face it your one foot in the grave, I hope you like tofu because thats what we will feed you in the senior citizen home you will end up in :) Have you started looking at brochures yet?? Lmfao

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
11:40 am

“I have helped people in the past, but only gotten stabbed in the back with a machete. ”

You must be a zombie, then.

“Even the Bible talks about kindness to animals, but the majority of the so called Christians in this country choose to skip those parts.”

And you base that ridiculous claim off of what? OHHHHHHH, that’s right, you’re just making it up.

“I am hardly a “whacho”.”

What’s a whacho?

“I have a Masters Degree in Business, and speak four languages.”

You must have gotten your “masters” from Imaginary U.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
11:41 am

“Even the Bible talks about kindness to animals, but the majority of the so called Christians in this country choose to skip those parts.”

Got anything to back up that claim?

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
11:43 am

I guess Bullseye solution to national debt is to raise taxes………………………again.Perfect example of gov education

Adam

April 22nd, 2011
11:44 am

This thought always bothers me. It is like saying that someone who walks for breast cancer does not care about people with AIDS, our soldiers at war, etc. Torture is wrong in any case, especially when it is done to an animal, as they are helpless to what us humans do to them. To call people ‘wackos’ for wanting an end to something that is obviously wrong is a pathetic attempt to create controversy and makes no logical sense.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
11:45 am

Wow is a voluteer to clean a diaper. Makes sense.He’ s a pro’s pro in smear.

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
11:46 am

Oh and by the way Bullseye u gettin ready for the .03 gas tax comin our way. Taxation is not the answer to the problem,oh I don’t know maybe quit spending what we dont have! I know thats a tuffy for most libs but here in the real world its not so difficult to comprehend.

St. Francis

April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am

So, you think someone is a whacko if they believe animals should not be tortured for some dubious reason as your particular taste in “delicacies”. (Hmm, note to self: Bob hates animals.) And you say they should be concerned with other things but you yourself wrote a rant about it. Should you too be concerned with other things.

And you say you’re a Libertarian and we all know Libertarians are very serious about free speech. Yet, you berated these people and the preacher in Florida for excercing their free speech. God doesn’t like hypocrites but he does like compassionate people.

Hambone

April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am

All this fuss over some high fallutin’ liverwurst.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am

National debt can be cured on another blog later today cazman. Try to keep up.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
11:48 am

I got mine caz. Count your pennies and pout.

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
11:55 am

Bullseye,typical lib. Why address something today that u can pawn off on future generations. Ur kids will love ya for that for sure. Oh but wait, lets waste energy on a discussion of how animals are killed for consumption, priorities.

con

April 22nd, 2011
11:57 am

Bob,
Why don’t you concentrate on the birther, flagger, and NRA wackos? Those are the nuts that are really hurting our country.

NotImpressed

April 22nd, 2011
12:00 pm

Mr. Barr, can you not fathom that some people can champion more than one cause at a time?

Animal abuse is never justified, IMO. I agree with the protesters. I have not eaten meat or worn animal material in 19 years.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
12:01 pm

Caz. Me not lib, but you fool. I want to see less suffering in this world. Keep dividing your little world into righty vs lib. It’s all you have capcity for. If you can’t afford gas tax, stop driving and do your part.

Darwin

April 22nd, 2011
12:01 pm

Bob and the right wing bloggers here used to make the same arguments about minority rights. Focusing on them is a waste of priorities.

Eric

April 22nd, 2011
12:06 pm

If every time you kicked or beat your dog he pooped real high quality chocolate Easter eggs, would that make beating him OK? Would that be animal cruelty, but who cares as long as the chocolate was of the finest quality?

Goose liver is turned into the foie gras delicacy through the cruel force-feeding (shove tube down goose throat, pump food in) of geese. There is nothing wrong with foie gras, it’s super fatty goose liver — there is definitely something wrong with the production of it, and the society that lets this happen.

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:07 pm

Bullseye-Right, I’m sure u say that to all that will listen right up to the point u enter the voters booth. At least be honest another lib issue. Yes I do have a problem with contiued taxation,obviously u dont. Fundalmental difference between us. I believe I pay enough taxes,you believe u don’t. I believe we should allow like thinkers to pay more taxes without penalizing the rest.

Aquagirl

April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm

Bob thinks worrying about spooge on an intern’s dress is a more worthy cause.

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:12 pm

Eric,if dogs are for consumption I dont care how they are destroyed. But seeing in this country as far as I know we dont eat dogs then yes beating dogs is cruel and should be prosecuted.I’ll ask again, If animals are used for consumption is there really a humane way of killing them?

Tim

April 22nd, 2011
12:15 pm

Is this the last place wow has to post?

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
12:20 pm

Caz, this forum is for the concern of animal abuse. Move to another country and see what the taxes are like there. Otherwise, your hatred for Obummer disguised as tax revolt is very telling.

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:27 pm

Bullseye,right.Great retort instead of attacking the issues at hand,your resposne is to move. No i’d rather remain and try to right the ship that ur friends and yes my side as well have pushed upon us. And do I think talking about the ways we kill for food is a waste of time in the realm of things……….YES

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
12:28 pm

wow got flushed

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm

Bullseye,I believe thats what BB is trying to convey in his piece. Our engeries are being misguided to whats really importnat right now. IMO he’s right

Eric

April 22nd, 2011
12:34 pm

Caz – Your comments make me question your membership in the human race. This isn’t about how animals are destroyed, it’s about how they live. For people, inflicting pain upon animals is often a sign of mental illness. Serial killers often start with animal abuse for instance — lack of empathy and disregard for the wellbeing of anything but themselves. So, as long as we eat it, you are saying we can abuse it in any manner anybody wants? That’s a sick way of living and signs of a sick society. Religious texts have dealt with the humane slaughter of animals for centuries, and thousands of laws are on the books enforcing societal mores on the upkeep and slaughter of animals. To imagine how animals are cared for is irrelevant, you would be ignoring centuries of human history. There are humane ways of dealing with production animals, as it is possible to produce cruelty and suffering-free livestock for consumption.

Real Athens

April 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm

Oh Bob,

“Our federal Energy Department, created nearly two generations ago with the express purpose of reducing our country’s reliance on foreign energy sources, has failed miserably at its primary task, even as it continues to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars each year”.

What were doing while you were in Congress? Wasn’t the Energy Department around then?

What were you doing when Reagan’s budget policies were exponentially increasing our debt?

While Bill Clinton was President what were you doing? Prodding Kenneth Starr’s prosecution (to the tune of $76 Million) for getting a b%#job in the oval office? Leading the charge to outlaw abortion even though you paid for one in 1983? Authoring the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996? Leading the “War on Drugs” by vehemently opposing the use of medical Marijuana? Voting for the Iraq resolution in 2002? Voting in the affirmative for the Patriot Act.

What the hell do you know about civil liberties besides that you’ve trampled on them your entire life and now spend your life as walking, talking (writing) dichotic hypocrite?

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm

Eric,Do u eat meat?

Debbie

April 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm

What a small man Bob Barr must be. Those that condone the unspeakable and horrific tortureof animals, all for the sake of food and clothing are truly disturbed individuals. God help us all. Ghandi said it all as mentioned earlier.

jdsg

April 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm

hey bob – i am going to target lentils. i hate those things. that should be good fodder for your next blog.

Bill

April 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm

debbie – ghandi loved a good lamb cheeseburger

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm

Eric,you never answered my question. What is the humane way to kill anything?

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:50 pm

Debbie-u may not like this answer,but if there was’nt a market for animal skins there would’nt be an industry. As far as killing for consumption,what do we eat that isn’t killed?

Nacho Daddy

April 22nd, 2011
12:51 pm

Hey Bob, Why don’t you write about “the whackos” that won’t let me buy a beer or a bottle of wine on Sundays ?? …oh right you’re one of those whackos aren’t you ?? see you in church… NOT !

CazLand

April 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm

I really feel sorry for some of u here. Isn’t there a tree somewhere u should be hugging? Bookman must have a real bore of a thread today for u to be here.

Skeeter

April 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm

Cazland, I’ll answer your question to eric even though it’s not relevant because the people are protesting the way the geese are force-fed, not the way they are killed. A humane way to kill would be to break their neck, cut their head off or cut their neck. Even though the last two seem so violent because of all the blood involved, there is very little suffering involved. It’s over before they know it. Also, a bullet to the brain or to the heart. So a good hunter is a humane hunter.

Skeeter

April 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm

Oh yeah, people that eat foi gras are pretentious d’bags. They should try chicken liver, especially fried chicken liver, mm mm.

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Eric

April 22nd, 2011
1:40 pm

Sorry Caz, I was just out grabbing a burger for lunch.

Yes I eat meat. I think Skeeter summed it up quite well. Humane existence (free from suffering) followed by a quick, painless death. That respects the animal and our need as omnivores for meat. Abusing a living animal in the name of “making it tastier” is sick.

As far as current standards go — most livestock’s existence is far from ideal, both for human health and the welfare of the animal. The way conventional cows are raised for human consumption is both a danger to animal and human welfare. We have strayed far from the ideal in the name of profit. Cows are abused dietarily (fed corn — born to eat grass, not seed), which deteriorates their health, requiring the use of antibiotics in all cows’ feed, as they all are sick because of their cheap diet. A diet of corn is cheap and builds tissue quickly, at the expense of the health of the animal. Cows fed corn are in a constant state of heartburn, leading to sores, ulcers and infection, requiring antibiotics.

Concentrated antibiotic-laced, E.Coli-containing wastes from CAFOs (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) help breed superbugs that are a threat to human health. This waste runs downstream and spills into produce farms, spreading E. Coli. E.Coli is a byproduct of raising conventionally grown cows, not of growing spinach. Every time you hear about a vegetable being infected due to E. Coli, it’s because conventionally farmed animal waste contaminated it. People die every year because of this.

I eat grass-fed beef whenever available, it costs a premium, but that’s the stuff cows evolved to eat. The cows are antibiotic free. Every system in their body is ideally tuned to consume grass. The cows don’t suffer from overcrowding, disease and the other horrors of CAFO living. It’s also healthier for people because the cows are E. Coli-free and generally in good health when slaughtered. The fats in the meat are also healthier for people to consume.

BULLSEYE

April 22nd, 2011
1:43 pm

I tip my hat to Eric. Well said.

Aquagirl

April 22nd, 2011
1:52 pm

Oh, Eric, not wanting to die of E. Coli is a sure sign you’re a weak-kneed sissy liberal. It’s so manly to die while crapping your brains out. Chicks really dig that.

Hambone

April 22nd, 2011
2:00 pm

I think we should debate dry-cured salami on Monday.

Nacho Daddy

April 22nd, 2011
2:05 pm

Jesus, only ate fish and bread, ( & drank wine. but not on Sundays, couldn’t find a place that sold it on Sunday )

Ezra

April 22nd, 2011
2:22 pm

So animals have feelings? They love and cry and are just like humans. Most members of the animal rights groups prefer to live with animals or do they? I think its because a part of their brain is larger than in normal people. They can not help themselves. These members could use therapy but they would want the gov. to pay for it. I wonder how many of these members believe in abortion?

Tommy Beall

April 22nd, 2011
2:25 pm

Bob Barr should have been aborted.. just like the insult he forced his wife to abort.. pathetic hyprocritcal right-winged moron..

Eric

April 22nd, 2011
2:31 pm

Ezra, do you not believe that animals have feelings? Domesticated animals co-evolved with humans because will both fill a need the other has. Some are dietary, others fill emotional needs. Most Americans have had a pet at one time or another in their lives. The “normal” thing is to have a pet. Perhaps the people who do not have the animals are the ones that need the therapy, as studies have shown that pet owners are generally happier people and considerably healthier too.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/live-longer-with-a-pet.htm

Thinking Citizen

April 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm

“While animals may not weep like humans, they do, however, emit cries which seem to indicate emotional distress. Baby animals of all kinds will vocalize when separated from their mothers. Baby elephants in particular produce a very sad, keening sound which sounds like weeping. Hunters and some wildlife experts have claimed that the sound of a bear cub cries, when separated from its mother is remarkably similar to the cries of a human baby. In these cases, the cries probably serve as a form of direct communication with the mother.

There are many cases of animals exhibiting grief at the death of their owners. The famous Greyfriars Bobby, a small dog whose owner passed away, kept constant watch over the grave until his own death fourteen years later. A statue and fountain were later erected in honor of the faithful terrier.

Ascribing “human” emotions to animals (anthropomorphism) is often derided but may have a factual basis. A poodle which has lost a canine companion may refuse to eat. Dolphins have been known to carry their dead babies with them for days. An elk may stand watch over the dead body of a calf until predators destroy it and geese mate for life. While it is virtually impossible for a human to know what animals are really thinking or feeling, these behaviors seem to indicate real emotions.

Elephants, which are sensitive and highly intelligent animals with an evolved social structure, have been observed “crying.” Charles Darwin was told by the keepers of Indian elephants at the London zoo that the animals shed tears from sorrow. “

NOELLE

April 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm

Ducks have a gullet that is able to swallow whole fish and a throught that does not have a gag reflex. Ducks also breath through a hole in their tounge, so they can breath while eating. Ducks also can store food for for long flights….. the entire feeding process takes about 5 seconds.
Please get informed before you jump on a band wagon.
see for yourself- video@ http://www.artisanfarmers.org

sandi strasberg

April 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm

Bob – If caring about all living creatures that were made by God to keep balance on this planet is wacko, then put me in the loony bin!

Of course I care about all those other issues we face in this country. But there is still some passion left in me for the animals! You wouldn’t be too happy if your cat or dog was made to suffer the same way, would you?

Eric

April 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm

I am familiar with gavage. If the process were a natural one, then duck and goose livers would naturally be fat enough for commercial foie gras. It is difficult to believe that a migratory bird would ever voluntarily put itself in this obese state. Despite your belief that the 5 seconds of feeding isn’t cruel, subjecting an animal to a constant state of disease (fatty liver disease) is still abuse in itself. It has been done for centuries, so somehow it is an accepted practice. Of course, human slavery was also an accepted practice until it wasn’t.

Aquagirl

April 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm

Noelle, that’s why you see ducks at Stone Mountain insert their feeding tubes when you pull out that loaf of stale bread.

Pamela Cooper

April 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

Bob, I hope you have written other opinion pieces condemning people for attending movies or dining at restaurants or doing anything else but spending their every waking hour trying to fix problems in US that you deem important.

Bob Barr

April 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

Look here, whackos! The US has a host of problems, so shame on everyone not working to fix those problems– except me, Bob Barr, because I want to write a blog!

HawksFan

April 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm

“… state and local government legislators hopefully will continue to understand that prohibiting … a product desired by its patrons is un-American and should not become a subject for legislative restriction or prohibition.”

My mind has just been blown by this blog’s wisdom! Laws to outlaw slavery, child prostitution, dog fighting, heroin, burning witches, etc were un- American, because these were products desired by some. You can’t take away people’s freedom!

Kay Carter

April 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm

You Bob are clearly the wacko! Animal cruelty also happens to be a huge problem but I guess you re to dumb to see this country has many problems! Hey, did we ask you to attend? If you do know us or our cause then shut up!

TRobin

April 22nd, 2011
4:48 pm

There is nothing natural about force feeding these ducks and geese. The majority of ducks and geese used for foie gras are not even migrating birds and would never consume that amount of grain in twelve weeks. No animal would eat until it was unable to walk. It is only the human species that thinks this is acceptable. On blogs like this one there are always a few people that join in just to argue rather than have a literate discussion. I sometimes think it is a façade to take away from the actual topic.
A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal- Proverbs 12:10

Aquagirl

April 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm

“No animal would eat until it was unable to walk. It is only the human species that thinks this is acceptable.”

Supporting proof can be found on the “People Of Wal-Mart” website. You may want to tear out your own eyeballs after viewing, though.

KathyB

April 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm

We protest the production of Foie Gras because it is purely a product of the abscence of human morals, ethics and compassion. Like it’s bedfellows, those other “truly important issues”, it is a shining example of apathy for other sentient beings, which is the root cause of every problem you mentioned before.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm

“Bob and the right wing bloggers here used to make the same arguments about minority rights.”

We did? When?

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm

“Bob thinks worrying about spooge on an intern’s dress is a more worthy cause.”

I’m sure you’re used to that.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
6:16 pm

“Eric,Do u eat meat?”

BULLSEYE does. He also gulps.

WOW

April 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm

“It’s so manly to die while crapping your brains out. Chicks really dig that.”

Aquasquirrel has some crazy fetishes.

GeorgeM

April 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm

I’m sorry if animal protectionists have interfered with your gluttony, Mr. Barr, but the production of foie gras is obscene and no decent person should dismiss this issue so flippantly. Shame on you; have you really become a callous old lush?

Mike

April 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm

This just shows a total lack of morals and character on the part of Bob Barr. It is also hypocritical coming from a man who wasted so much time by trying to rename half of Washington, D.C. after Ronald Reagan.

Cate

April 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm

As an animal rights “Whacko” I find it much more appropriate for me to spend my time trying to stop the torture of animals than for Arizona’s legislature to be spending their time declaring an official state gun.

All activists are frowned upon by closed minded people. But without activists, we’d still have slavery. We’d still have 10 year olds working 12 hours a day.

I’m vegan, but I don’t care if anyone else is. What I do care about is putting pressure on the industries that treat animals inhumanely. http://www.stopforcefeeding.com – educate yourself before you run off at the mouth.

Fieyr

April 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm

How does Bob know that the animal rights activists aren’t also working on all of the other things? It’s not like the protestors are out there 24/7.

On top of that, he makes it sound like we must just drop every other issue and ONLY work on the issues that BOB cares about. What the hell Bob? How is protesting the torture of animals a bad thing? Seems like one hell of a worthy cause in my book. We don’t let people torture their pets, why should it be different for any other animal?

I say kick some Bistro Niko tail. Get that Foie Gras Banned in Georgia too! Geese will be happy…and Bob won’t. Works for me…

Joyce

April 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm

Bob Barr is the real whacko!!

Andrew

April 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

This may come as a surprise to many, but there are libertarian animal rights advocates. Like other libertarians, I believe that rights are negative claims against society intended to protect the most important interests of individuals. A negative claim is one that requires no action from anyone else. For example, my right to life does not require anyone to provide me with anything. It only requires that others not end my life. The most basic rights are life and liberty. Positive claims (e.g., free healthcare) enforced by government necessitate the subjugation of one citizen to another and, therefore, are not rights.

The philosophers who formed the early theories of rights (e.g., Locke) seem to have been primarily focused on explaining why people other than just the monarchs and their cohort deserved ethical and legal respect. As a result the philosophers looked for the factor common to most people (rationality) as the criteria that defined whether or not a being had rights. That’s why children’s rights weren’t respected until recently – they’re not fully rational.

Those philosophers’ progress was monumental but incomplete. Rationality is surely the criterion for determining who ought to BEHAVE ethically, and only adult humans meet that criterion as far as we know. However, beings’ interests in living and moving around freely arise from biological needs and desires, and those needs and desires appear to be present in more than just adult humans. They appear to be present in all sentient beings, even those who aren’t rational, such as most or all non-human animals, human children, and mentally handicapped humans. Therefore, sentience should be the criterion for determining who should be TREATED ethically.

I don’t want the government to provide me or anyone else with anything other than protection of my (and others’) rights and enforcement of contracts. I believe the views that I have expressed here are consistent with libertarian beliefs; I just extend them to one more group of beings. Please don’t dismiss animal rights as idiotic, emotional nonsense. Many activists dedicate a significant amount of time to studying ethical and political philosophy and arguing for human rights, as well.

Peter

April 22nd, 2011
11:16 pm

How is the veal tonight Bob ?

William Cole

April 22nd, 2011
11:29 pm

bob barr you disgust me you self centered unintelligent sub species of a human being. all the problems you mention you and you idiot republicans got us into in the first place. then you want to take it out on geese. you know nothing of how the foie gras industry is complete and disgusting torture of one of gods creatures. maybe someone should stuff your disgusting belly so full till your liver gets diseased then say “how does it feel bob barr”. you better hope i never see you in public because i will spit on your selfish face if i do. have a nice day mr. barr.

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MarkV

April 23rd, 2011
10:05 am

People may have different ideas regarding the abuse involved in force-feeding geese, and some may consider the protests against it silly, but it is certainly not sillier than Barr’s complaining about them on the basis that there are more important issues. If that were a reasonable argument, then Bob, why didn’t you condemn sports, movies and any other recreational activity?

Tricky

April 23rd, 2011
11:53 am

You chastise the animal rights “Whackos”, for protesting Foie Gras, by protesting their protesting, when in your own words, “They can, temporarily at least, relieve our minds of having to deal with truly important issues.” And instead of dealing with truly important issues, you waste newspaper space with this. Now who is the Whacko? Would you like it if someone force fed you…… Oh forget it, just did a Google search, it appears someone has, my apologies.

William

April 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm

Animal rights “wackos” are the ones out there fighting for animal protection, workers’ rights, health care reform, civil rights, human rights, etc. Without these people sticking up for the underdog, you wouldn’t even have the freedom to write your column.

And for the record, foie gras is extremely cruel. I don’t think I would like anyone shoving a funnel down my throat and force feeding me large amounts of grain until my internal organs bursts. Just because ducks and geese DNA is a little different than ours, doesn’t mean we have the right to torture them.

SevenSix

April 23rd, 2011
2:43 pm

Bob, you were a failure and an embarrassment in politics, and now you are a failure and an embarrassment in morals.

Dr. Josh Mason, DVM

April 23rd, 2011
6:00 pm

@NS Your account to a foie gras farm in Normandy may be accurate, however, the conditions you mention are not at all the norm in the industry of foie gras factory farming. I am a veterinarian and I have witnessed far different conditions when making house/farm calls. 80% of all ducks raised for foie gras are kept in small individual cages their entire life in which they cannot turn around, stand up, or stretch their wings. Farm conditions are almost identical to intensive poultry farms – densely packed and an exorbitant number animals and squalid feces filled with an overwhelming stench of ammonia. Ducks and goose beaks which are richly innervated and well supplied with sensory receptors are brutally chopped off by farm workers early on. The geese or ducks are kept in near darkness, presumably to keep the disoriented. They have access to only drip water – ducks and geese need water to preen their feathers and they need to immerse their heads often to clean out their eyes. Without the ability to preen, their bodies quickly become encrusted with feces. They also develop opthalmia of the eyes, a low-grade infection that eventually leads to blindness. The feed is a mixture of anti-biotic supplemented maize, fat, and salt. The feeding is mechanized and pneumatic, with machines doing this with a metal tube between 16 and 28 days – 3 times a day until the 12 day, then every 3 hours even though the night for the remaining duration of the feeding cycle. Pneumatic force-feeding systems can cram up to a pound of feed down a duck’s through in 3 seconds. The grossly diseased liver swells up to 12 times its normal size. Force-feeding causes a fatty degeneration in the cells of the liver. They have difficulty standing and can barely walk. It would be like force-feeding 30 pounds of spaghetti a day to a human teenager. Needless to say, many times the stomachs burst and the birds die, or their throats are perforated by the pipe. Foie gras is produced at a terrible cost the the birds themselves. Foie gras, touted as a gourmet delicacy to entice the palate, is really only the diseased tissue of a tortured sick animal subject to a continuous, perverse and concerted effort to physically force these poor creatures to do something they weren’t designed to do. Supporting this or any other factory farm industry is a morally and ethically offense to nature and ourselves.

Gem

April 23rd, 2011
11:40 pm

Bob Barr it’s people like you this country needs to worry about. I would pay to see tubes jammed several times a day into your throat as your liver becomes painfully enlarged and you suffer a slow excruciating death. And take all the other idiots like you along for the ride.

Jason

April 23rd, 2011
11:46 pm

Bob Barr is an old geezer, he will soon drop dead and no one will miss him anyway. End of Story.

Pizzaman

April 24th, 2011
10:39 am

This has nothing to do with the above article but is something I learned during the ‘74 oil rip off. If you waiting in line for anything bank, dry cleaner, fast food, pharmacy, gas etc. SHUR IT DOWN. You’ll save gas and help the environment.

Pizzaman

April 24th, 2011
11:12 am

Forgot to mention that if the wait will be more than 10 sec shut it down.

Laura Collins

April 24th, 2011
3:33 pm

Larry

April 24th, 2011
10:44 pm

Here’s a video on animal rights: http://meat.org

Mercey for Animals

April 24th, 2011
10:57 pm

To see what we are capable of going to animals is displayed on the Mercy for Animals website. I am not vegan and enjoy red meat, fish and chicken. I also make every attempt to purchase meat which comes from farms which treat their animals with respect. We are suppose to be stewards over the Earth and the animals, not inhuman overseers. http://www.mercyforanimals.org/calves/

Man in the mirror

April 24th, 2011
11:01 pm

@Animal Rights supporter April 22nd, 2011 6:36 am

Before you call someone an idiot take a look in the mirror. By the way, I hear dog fighting is more rampant than ever. Since most of you were so hard on Mick Vick why are you not outraged now!!!! What is different now? Oh, Mick Vick is black!

Animal Rights supporters are a bunch of hypocrites who pick and choose their battles.

Tracy

April 25th, 2011
12:18 am

Seems like a silly thing to dedicate an article to, Bob must be having a slow week.

That said, I fear animal rights activist when they get to nutty levels. Some of these people truly put dogs and cats above human life. This mindframe is sociopathic, Hitler loved dogs more than people. That said a lot about him.

Alley Cat

April 25th, 2011
10:39 am

Who is to say that because Animal “Rights” Whackos are taking up the cause of other living creatures being tortured and killed so that Human “Self-centered” Whackos can eat Foi Gras, they cannot take up other causes? Simply because some are incapable of doing more than one thing at a time surely you’re not saying others can’t. Be grateful that while most of you sit and do nothing there are those of us actually trying to change the condition of the World.

jk

April 25th, 2011
12:08 pm

Mr. Barr,

I agree with you sometimes and disagree with you sometimes, but your ideological consistency deserves some credit. Unfortunately, I believe your article missed the mark in several ways.

- The issues you label important are nation-wide, yet you ignore the concept of federalism. These “whackos” are acting locally about a local issue. Would you have them stand in front of the Gold Dome and protest Libya? That would be misguided, and your failure to clarify between federal and local issues only exacerbates an epidemic misconception among the voting public (a misconception which state and local pols cater too much too frequently).

- Second, the public has witnessed perpetual inertia on most of the pressing issues you identify- grandstanding and deadlock, followed by relatively inconsequential compromise, followed by more grandstanding. You fail to recognize the possibility that these “whackos,” discouraged by what they see in U.S. gov’t, instead are (efficiently) focusing their energies on an issue they actually CAN influence. Why is that a problem?

- Finally, it is apparent you disagree with their cause as a matter of substance. Yet your argument is limited to saying that their cause is “un-American” – a loaded term that left and right-wing politicians throw around to inflame an issue while evading a genuine merits discussion. As a former successful prosecutor, you are capable of more intellectually, and you should give your readers more.

Gretchen Hathaway

April 26th, 2011
9:39 am

You’re a moron. Watch Earthlings.com then get back to us.

StevenB

April 26th, 2011
10:57 pm

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Larry

April 27th, 2011
1:19 am

Here is a video on animal rights: http://meat.org

Mijnheer

April 27th, 2011
2:37 am

Why libertarians should support animal rights:
http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/graham/graham1.html

Dr_Barnes

April 27th, 2011
10:01 am

The article doesn’t talk about the inflexible attitudes of vegans who think everyone must eat as they eat. Well not everyone can get their protein from plants. In fact 2 out of every 5 adults become gluten sensitive as they age and cannot digest protein from plant material. With a diet devoid of animal fats, vegans seem unlikely candidates for heart disease. But new research suggests that people who eat only plant foods may lack nutrients vital for cardiovascular health. Vegan diets tend to be low in iron, zinc, vitamin B12 and omega-3 fatty acids, according to a review of dozens of published articles on the biochemistry of vegetarianism, published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. As a result, vegans tend to have high blood levels of homocysteine and low levels of HDL, or “good,” cholesterol. Both are risk factors for heart disease, notes the study’s lead author, Duo Li, a professor of nutrition at Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China.Dr. Li found that vegans also have a high platelet volume, which is associated with heart attacks, and increased platelet aggregation – a clumping of platelets that can lead to blood clots. “From our study, I do not encourage people to be vegan,” he says.
The research compared data on vegan populations worldwide. Dr. Li found that many vegans, especially in Asian countries, are against taking supplements, often for religious reasons. “We’re trying to encourage vegans to balance their diets,” Dr. Li says, “and for vegan families, especially with infants, you definitely should take supplements” to compensate for nutrient deficiencies.

This article should note thatt meat protein is balanced with all essential nutrients and VB 12 whereas plants do not supply VB12 unless they are moldy or covered in bacteria that make VB12. Sea plants that might have a little B12 are not consistent nor are they regulated sources of B12. Vitamin B12, for instance, is only naturally-occurring in animal cells and yeast or mold cells. Since vegan sources of vitamin B12 are scarce, vegans must be vigilant about getting enough of this essential vitamin. This is an arduous task, made more difficult by the fact that some vegans altogether avoid yeast or bacterial products. These people must rely upon fortified foods and supplements. A popular argument against veganism is that heavy reliance upon artificial nutrient sources (vitamin pills, fortified foods, etc.) is an unhealthy practice. These people believe that nutrients should be delivered to the body in their natural packaging, which just isn’t feasible on a strict vegan diet. Several children from vegan parents in England and the US have died in the last five years due to the restricted diets and lack of proper nutrients. As for obesity that started when vegetable oils where introduced, before that we relied upon natural meat fats. Did you know that research shows that 75% of the plaque in your artery comes from vegetable oils, the other 25% comes from meat fat. Eating lean meat, chicken, eggs, fish etc. is considered a very healthy way to eat and is recommended for growing children and pregnant women. To go against biology is really very stupid. Eating a strict vegan diet without educating yourself can end in death.
As for having enough land to feed the world plants that is also bogus. We already farm all arable land. Grass fed meat is sustainable and good for human beings and the planet as the cows do not kill the plant and they give us a balanced diet that actually improves heart health if you don’t consume vegetable oils which are known to clog arteries. Plant foods, including seaweeds, do not provide adequate B12, according to Vesanto Melina, a registered dietitian in Langley, B.C., and co-author of Becoming Vegan. In fact, blue-green algae contains an analogue of B12 that interferes with B12 absorption, she says. “It can fool the body.” Dr. Jenkins, a vegan for many years, says he monitors various indicators in his blood “and when it dips low, I start taking supplements again. Can the whole world monitor their blood weekly to ensure they get enough nutrients? That’s an expensive proposition when all one has to do is eat lean meat three times a week. Yes, some people do over eat and we know the less food consumed the better, but limiting oneself to the least nutritious foods available is ignorance at its worst. Expensive organic food, blood tests, and processed vitamins is the world of the rich and not the world the majority of the people on this planet even know about. 12 million children die each year from lack of protein and these children have access to vegan only foods. This fad will fade as it has in the past because it is built upon a tissue of lies. Some people can eat a vegan diet but so many more cannot and growing children should never be on a vegan diet as it is so easy for them to become nutrient deprived. Infants especially since they require large amounts of dense nutrients to grow their brains and nervous system. They do not have an adult size stomach to consume the large amount of plant material needed to ensure they have the proper amount and balance of nutrients to grow properly. So many vegans and vegetarians have had to quit because of becoming ill on a vegan diet. Note that the animal rights people try to shut these people up at their own conference when several vegans tried to introduce the notion that some people might need to eat meat and should eat small amounts. These people were attacked by the animal rights brigade. I have seen nothing but hatred and violence from animal rights vegan pushers toward people who must eat meat or prefer to eat meat for their own health. The height of stupidity are those who try to force their cats and dogs to eat vegan only. That is animal abuse at its worst and that was started by HSUS who tries to make money off everything to do with animals. They claim the moral high ground when in fact the harvesting of plant crops also kills billions of nesting birds, small animals, and insects.
A pasture has a full balance ecosystem, whereas a plowed field for plant crops is barren land at every harvest and remains that way until new seeds are planted and then every possible tactic is tried to keep all species from eating the seeds or the plants. So when cows only graze off the tips of the grass and walk among the small animals slowly sharing natural fertilizer with its own food and the small animals and insects as well as its water which is the more natural system. As for stockyards that only comes for some during the last few weeks of their lives in small places across this country. Every portion of the cow is used but those billions of small animals are wasted in plant harvesting. Vegan and animal rights true believers are not very big on critical thinking they just latch onto the last fad line of the movement without checking the facts or doing any research. The vegan diet is the diet of the rich who have the money to buy expensive organic foods and processed nutrients and special foods not grown in this country but necessary to supply the nutrients found in meat. This diet is not practical nor is it useful and in time will be shown to be damaging to the body. Talk to any former vegan or vegetarian who went back to eating meat. It is clear its not practical for the population due to costs of supplements and the cost of testing to ensure you are getting the nutrients necessary. In fact most people cannot afford these supplements or the food products grown and shipped in from other countries. Thanks old man for standing up for common sense. By the way the symptoms of a lack of VB12 is overly emotional responses and irrational thinking. Think about it.

FreeSpeech

April 28th, 2011
6:41 am

Hmmm….I think this is the group that I read something about on http://www.activistcash.com Better do a little more research

FreeSpeech

April 28th, 2011
6:46 am

I believe Bryan Pease runs this group yet the article did not identify him. The other website does. Something smells VERY fishy here.