The pastor with a doctorate in stupidity

In the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Henry Jones (played by Sean Connery) – father of the protagonist – tells a Nazi SS officer, “goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them,” referring to the burning of books that Adolf Hitler’s regime found to be offensive to his ideology.

The suggestion is one that Terry Jones, the self-proclaimed Florida pastor (and no relationship to the Indiana Jones), who made news last year by announcing he would burn copies of the Quran on the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks, should follow.

Jones eventually backed down from his threat, giving his word he would not burn Islam’s holy book, after outcry from across the global.  But promises are not what they used to be, even for a pastor.

On March 20th, Jones’ self-styled “church,” the Dove World Outreach Center, put the Quran on “trial” for what he called “International Judge the Quran Day.” The pastor acted as the judge over the proceeding; with Mohamed el Hassan, an Imam from Texas, presenting the case for his religion.

The outcome was preordained. The “jurors” found the Quran guilty of “training and promoting” terrorist activities, the “death, rape, and torture of people worldwide whose only crime is ‘not being of Islamic faith,’” and “crimes against women, against minorities, against Christians, and with the promoting of prejudice and racism against anyone who is not a Moslem.”

Jones had been warned previously that publicly burning the Quran could place lives – including American troops – in danger. The pastor’s zeal for publicity, however, trumped what little common sense he seemed to have possessed last Fall, and he gleefully pressed ahead this Spring.  Those warnings became reality. Shortly after the news of the Quran-burning broke, Muslims in Afghanistan violently protested; killing seven people and injuring at least 90 in separate attacks; and more may be in the offing. Jones, however, absolves himself of all responsibility, and acts the martyr; which he may hope he becomes.

The First Amendment protects free speech and expression, even if it is unpopular. There is little question that Jones was within his rights to do what he did, but that does not mean he should have; and it does make him any less the complete idiot he truly is.

-by Bob Barr, The Barr Code

115 comments Add your comment

jared Ballowe

April 8th, 2011
5:17 am

But Bob the Muslims are such peace loving people! Why would they do such a thing? I mean even the bible thumping Christians would go around killing people in the Bible belt if such a thing occurred……..not.

Maybe the real idiots are the ones protesting and killing people over paper being burnt Bob, I am sorry but poor show old man.

Ron

April 8th, 2011
5:42 am

I’m getting sick and tired of hearing him called idiot, stupid, loony, gun-toting backward southerner, fundie, dumb, etc, and then his actions of buring the koran likened to Nazi book bonfires. A lot of people are beginning to see through these stereotypes as I have been following this story. The Nazis were attempting to BAN free speech by burning the books. Jones and now Ann Barnhardt’s video are attempts to EXERCISE free speech amidst a fog of political correctness and cowtowing to muslim Sharia demands that we should be dhimmis.

Road Scholar

April 8th, 2011
6:26 am

Ron: Bless your heart!

Karl Marx

April 8th, 2011
6:46 am

Last November 10 Christian homes were burned in Egypt because of a rumor that a Christian man was in a romantic relationship with a Muslim girl.
On Feb. 22, the Taliban attacked six churches, burned several Christian homes and four Bibles and injured children in Karachi, Pakistan
30 July, some 50 Christian homes were burned by Muslims in the village of Korian Pakistan. A Christian wedding was being celebrated in the village and “rumours” spread that, during the wedding ceremony, a Qur’an had been burned. It had not. Incited by broadcasts from local mosques, Muslims torched Christian homes and also burned Christian-owned livestock. A flammable chemical available only to the military, was used. To make matters worse, Muslims lay down in front of the fire engines to prevent them reaching the blazing houses.

Now Bob you want to call Mr. Jones Crazy. Where is your outrage over thousands of Muslim atrocities on Christians. I thought so. You have no honor do you.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
6:52 am

Yes. Those evil Muslims. We peace-loving Christians would never do anything violent. Like invade a country (or two) and murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people. That would never happen. Because we follow our religious teachings to the letter. We forgive. We love our neighbors and turn the other cheek. Bloody hypocrites.

DeborahinAthens

April 8th, 2011
7:16 am

What I love is Karzid demanded that the US punish Jones. This is a perfect example of how these people, ruled for over a thousand years by primative–yes PRIMATIVE– tribal laws, will never understand what freedom and civil liberty really means.Ostensibly, Karzid is a leader of a “democracy” that thousands of Americans died to bring about. Ostensibly, they have a Constitution outlining rights for their citizens that is somewhat similar to our Constitution, but they don’t get it. What a joke! As much as I detest what Jones did. He has the right to do it. When the creators of “Southpark” did a very, very funny show about Mohammad (putting him in a bear suit, because they couldn’t show him) the show was immediately pulled. Someone, I don’t remember who, said that,in retaliation, the people in the US should have a “Draw a Picture of Mohammad Day” just to show the radical Islamists what freedom means. We HAVE to stop bowing to the demands that we bend to their will. Instead, they should learn that in the United States of America, even witches and warlocks, KKK members, Nazis, communists, religious zealots like Jones all have a right granted by our Constitution to say or do what they like, as long as it doesn’t impinge on someone else’s freedom. And by the by, that freedom means unpopular rights, such as same sex marriage, abortion, etc, etc, etc, etc… There are thousands of Christian fundamentalists that think Eric Rudolph and abortion doctor murderers are justified in their vile actions. So, maybe we aren’t that highly evolved after all…

Professor Fate

April 8th, 2011
7:17 am

A pox on both their houses . . . and on fundamentalists of every ilk!

DebbieDoRight

April 8th, 2011
7:46 am

Bobb Barr – You’ll probably never read this again but…………….I agree with you. Too many people want to hide behind their religion, (be they muslim, jews, or CHRISTIANS), but all they are preaching is the religion of hate. Yes we do have freedom of speech in this country, however we, as Americans should also know that that freedom was paid for by the blood of our ancestors and if there’s blood in then there’s blood out. Scientifically for every action there is an equal reaction — that’s just the way the world works; that’s why in the old testament it said “an eye for an eye”.

There are those who wish to put Islam on trial, yet turn a blind eye to the horrors of every other religion on the planet, which there are few that have not shed blood in its name.

We have to remember that Being politically correct is not an anathema to be spat upon; the very christians who decry Islam forget their own bible teachings of Judge ye not; Love thy neighbor as thyself; or How can you love me whom you have never seen yet hate your neighbor. If we as Christians would stay true to our beliefs and values, perhaps our light, like Jesus’ can draw others to us, instead of our ignorance turning them away.

Another view

April 8th, 2011
8:08 am

To fondly remember George Carlin:
“Murder. The Fifth Commandment. But, if you give it a little thought, you realize that religion has never really had a problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.
“To cite a few examples, just think about Irish history, the Middle East, the Crusades, the Inquisition, our own abortion-doctor killings and, yes, the World Trade Center to see how seriously religious people take Thou Shalt Not Kill. Apparently, to religious folks – especially the truly devout-murder is negotiable. It just depends on who’s doing the killing and who’s getting killed.”
I’ve certainly met folks who consider themselves Christians who I find truly good people, but they don’t seem to be particularly plentiful. Most seem to be no different from the other spiteful narrow-minded hateful bigots – they just use their god as their excuse to be so. I particularly like Carlin’s suggested commandment – “Keep thy religion to thyself.”
@Debbie, my guess is you’re one of the good ones.

carlosgvv

April 8th, 2011
8:12 am

When American citizens burn the American flag, liberals say it is their “free speech” right. When “Chrisians” assemble at the funeral of a fallen soldier and hurl grievious insults at him and his family, liberals insist it is their “free speech” right. When an American burns a Koran, liberals go into spasams of protest and insist that should have not been done. It’s not too hard to see why. They are deathly afraid of Muslim violence abroad and are even more afraid it will come here and even get them. So, in effect, Muslim terrorists dictate to them what is and is not “free speech”.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
8:40 am

I am a liberal. I defend Terry Jone’s RIGHT to burn the Koran. Freedom of speech must be defended ESPECIALLY when people are using in ways we don’t like, that is the whole point of the law. But actions must be judged on their likely consequences. He knew he was putting lives at risk by doing what he did. It was not illegal – nor should it be. But it was totally immoral by any standard, and for that I condemn him. That is my right.

Techfan

April 8th, 2011
8:55 am

Combat veteran

April 8th, 2011
9:09 am

All you retards and take your whining and go get screwed. The fact that one idiot can put peoples lives in danger by actin out in a violent and racist manner toward a religion is what we are talking about here. This one man ( that with all his beliefs has yet volunteered for military service) has the blood of those lives lost on his hands. He will not have a happy ending if he costs the lives of American troops. I put this guy in the same category as Fred phelps.

OJ

April 8th, 2011
9:34 am

If he is such an idiot…the journalists are bigger idiots for feeding right into his hands and giving this moron his 10 minutes of fame. Who cares what this lunatic does? If the media yawned at him there would be no story.

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
9:37 am

I do believe that it’s “15 minutes” of fame, kind sir.

Karl Marx

April 8th, 2011
9:46 am

I wonder Mr. Combat veteran what category do you put the Muslims who brought down the world trade center or the Muslims who are burning churches and murdering Christians because it was rumored they desecrated Koran when they actual did no such thing. I supposed according to you none of those Muslims did anything to cause the lives of any American troops to be put is danger did they?

seabeau

April 8th, 2011
9:58 am

Thousands of Christians are murdered every year in Muslim countries. Please go to “The Voice of the Martyrs”, web site for stories. One of the worst offenders is Indonesia, where President Obama during a recent visit home stated that Indonesia was a diverse society where everyone lived in peace and love. President Obama is either a fool,or a liar!! Or both.

the watch dog

April 8th, 2011
10:15 am

Today is my birthday. I have been searching google and nothing much happened on that date. Eleanor Roosevelt went to a luncheon at the University club in Washington,D.C.
Maybe something will happen today, like government shutting down, that would be a bit much just for my birthday, could I not just get a card.

O'Really?

April 8th, 2011
10:18 am

Rarely do I agree with Bob Barr. This is one case where I do. For all of you who are screaming about the pastor’s right to do what he did, please note that Barr is not saying he had no “right.” He is saying is wasn’t right to do it. I agree. I have a right to light a match, but not when I have been warned their will be an explosion if I do. The idiot in Florida endangered other people. He did it without concern for his actions and without even now acknowledging the cause and effect here. Of course, the fanatics who killed innocent people over their in reaction are outragiously wrong and guilty. They should face punishment. But, so was the pastor’s disregard of consequences to innocent people just to make a statement and garner publicity.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
10:36 am

Bob is again correct here. The idiot, inbred, redneck, backwards, religious zealot, moron pastor Jones (did I miss anything you don’t like Ron???), had every right to prove again that he is an idiot. I like the match analogy, perfect in every way.

pat

April 8th, 2011
10:40 am

This sounds to me like making excuses for idiots who kill every time they get offended? So he burned a Koran, how does that give anybody an excuse to go around and kill people?
The pastor may be an idiot, but the people who kill other people are even bigger idiots. And anybody who makes excuses for those people who exchange being offended for human life are the biggest idiots of all.

Clear and Present Danger

April 8th, 2011
10:41 am

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a United States Supreme Court case based on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, holding that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action.

While Bob Barr states that “The First Amendment protects free speech and expression, even if it is unpopular. There is little question that Jones was within his rights to do what he did….”, I suggest that the action taken intended was directed to incite and likely to incite lawless action.

Marie

April 8th, 2011
10:44 am

There are Muslims all over the world. Why is the only protest and outrage over this Koran burning happening in Afghanistan? If burning the Koran is so OFFENSIVE to Muslims you would think there would be massive protests in America, Indonesia, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, across the Europe continent and on and on. However, this is protest/outrage is being hyped up in Afghanistan by radical Muslim clerics, Taliban members and Taliban sympathizers who simply want to use this burning as spark to ignite further violence against government reformation and the American/Nato troops there.

While I agree that burning a Koran is a pointless and stupid act. It is beyond time for us (Americans) to stop reacting to every protest and violent action radical Muslims because they are so-called offended by our freedom. Instead we need to instill fear in their hearts to MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND we will annihilate you if you attack us.

pat

April 8th, 2011
10:44 am

AND more people have been killed for the state and/ or because they were religious than for other reason. 300 million and counting.
Atheists have killed more people than any other demographic in history, by a huge margin. Atheists are the biggest murderers in history….whether they did it to spread atheism or not does not change the fact that their blood letting can be measure by millions of metric tons.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 8th, 2011
10:49 am

The pastor proves that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

Really

April 8th, 2011
10:50 am

I like how these idiot Muslims kill at the drop of a hat. Then on national TV Muslims saying that burning the bible is not the same as “burning the word of god” in their Koran. Gee did they forget that Mohammed wrote the Koran through what he called talking to god. How many churches have been burned down and replaced with a Mosque’s but god forbid you even draw a picture on Mohammed that is a reason to kill people. I am still trying to understand how a pedophile writes a book and call it the word of god and people follow that.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
10:51 am

We need to see some official documented numbers on that crock of crap pat…Do you include everyone that does not believe in jesus as an athiest?

jconservative

April 8th, 2011
11:04 am

Dear Reverend Jones,

Matthew 7: 1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (NKJV)

Luke 6: 37 “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.” (NKJV)

1 Cor 4: “3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God. (NKJV)

Best wishes to you and yours.

Ray Pugh

April 8th, 2011
11:06 am

“The Bible’s blind, the Torah’s deaf, the Koran is mute/ if you burned ‘em all together you’d get close to the truth.”

seabeau

April 8th, 2011
11:08 am

Marie!! I totally agree with you!! Drop Afghanistan now.

Marie

April 8th, 2011
11:16 am

@jconservative — Sorry my friend but you have a very limited understanding of the Bible and how it should be implied. Again I do not agree with this so-call Reverend’s burning of the Koran as it is pointless, stupid, and has no real value other than to draw attention to himself. However, as a Christian we have every right to JUDGE whether or not the tenents of anyone’s faith lines up with our biblical beliefs. And the Koran by any standards simply does not. The same Paul you quote from in I Corinthians is the same Paul who pointedly told the Galatians that if anyone (including himsef or even an angel from heaven) comes preaching another Gospel let him be accursed.

And according to the Bible I do curse the Koran and the entire Muslim faith because it does not declare Jesus Christ as the son of God. And it fails to recognize him as the redeemer for the sins of all mankind. And his own declaration that HE is the way, the truth and life.

However, as a Christian I pray for Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and other so-called Christian who do not strictly adhere to the tenents of the Christian faith that they’re eyes may become open to the truth of God’s word. And yes that includes radical Muslims who want to kill me and my fellow Americans.

It is quite foolish to use these scriptures as some example that we are never to make judgements on actions that are good and those that are evil. Or religious beliefs that are opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ. No, we are expected to make such judgments in order that we ourselves make a discernment between what is right and wrong and then seek to compel others to the rightness of our faith.

Interested observer

April 8th, 2011
11:20 am

“When American citizens burn the American flag, liberals say it is their “free speech” right. When “Chrisians” assemble at the funeral of a fallen soldier and hurl grievious insults at him and his family, liberals insist it is their “free speech” right. When an American burns a Koran, liberals go into spasams of protest and insist that should have not been done. It’s not too hard to see why. They are deathly afraid of Muslim violence abroad and are even more afraid it will come here and even get them. So, in effect, Muslim terrorists dictate to them what is and is not “free speech”.”

Carlosgvv: So, you’re calling Bob a liberal?

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
11:23 am

If it’s true that the Nazis should have read the books they burned instead of burning them, (as Der Heetler hath commanded us to do), then Bob’s logic faulters as usual.

The reading of the Koran is the problem, because by reading it, and really understanding what it is saying this day, it nearly forces you to burn it. It’s a book of hate, prejudice, revenge and nonsense.

Of course when I read Barr’s blog with all the chicken little references and the big brother warnings and all the adages, I want to burn my smart phone and throw it down a well, but I don’t because I’m not a lunatic.

But I want to.

Here’s the facts about the KOran and the Old Testament. Christ said the the old testament was obsolete, and surely the Koran is too. He wasn’t around for the Koran, but I’m sure if the old testament is kaput, then so is anything written after it.

I’m sick to death of hacks who never understand nuthin’

Bryan G.

April 8th, 2011
11:24 am

I don’t necessarily support what the guy did, but, um, didn’t the Muslims who killed in retaliation kind of prove his point?

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
11:28 am

Try this as a mental exercise. Imagine Saudi Arabia declared the United States to be a dangerous country harboring a single man, some terrorist who they said attacked them. Imagine they invaded and took over the whole country, built giant bases everywhere, deposed the Government, installed one with obvious ties to their own and re-wrote the US constitution to something closer to their culture. Then for 10 years they “surge” more and more troops into the country to fight off the evil US Army who are now a guerrilla outfit doing hit-and-run operations where they can. They fly robot fighter drones over head day and night and drop bombs that kill US officers in hiding, as well as their families while they sleep in their beds. Their media are constantly linking your violent culture with your religion. Then some Imam goes on TV and takes a dump on a picture of Jesus.
How do you feel?
Would you understand it if some of your neighbors went out that day and killed an Arab?

carlosgvv

April 8th, 2011
11:31 am

Interested observer

In his case, it might be more accurate to call him a frightend conservative.

Jack

April 8th, 2011
11:34 am

The outrage should be at those that are outraged over this incident. The pastor knew what he was doing and he knew there’d be a media frenzy. No need to add to his notoriety.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 8th, 2011
11:35 am

To HELL with islam, to HELL with the pedophile mohammed, to HELL with muslims feelings, to HELL with how muslims view us. I will never respect islam , nor will i ever show islam, the pedophile mohammed, nor any individual muslim, any respect. I also will never demand they give any care or respect to me or anything I care about. Now that the ground rules are clear, we won’t have any problem unless they react violently.

jconservative

April 8th, 2011
11:35 am

Marie April 8th, 2011 11:16 am

I did not imply or express an opinion on anything. I merely quoted the Reverend Jones’ own holy book back to him. Guilt is in the eye of the beholder.

If you want to interpret that same book to match your beliefs, you are not alone. People tend to believe what they want to believe. That is why there are over 33,000 protestant denominations; over 33,000 interpretations of the same words.

So what do the following words mean?

Matthew 7: 1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (NKJV)

Are there 33,000 interpretations of those words? Are there ten? Five?

The point is that people can interpret the Bible, the Quran, and for that matter, Gone With The Wind, in any manner they chose.

People believe what they choose to believe. And if they do not have a reason for their belief, they will make up one.

So be it.

M

April 8th, 2011
11:36 am

Oh, pat…you could not be more wrong. You could try, but you would not be successful.

M

April 8th, 2011
11:39 am

This just in: ancient “magic” books all say some pretty twisted, primitive, and violent things…because the people who wrote them (yes, I said people) were twisted, primitive, and violent.

joe

April 8th, 2011
11:47 am

Seems Ray D is a bit warped LOL. If any Iman took a dump on a photo of Jesus, I’d laugh my behind off, take a video of it and upload it to You Tube so everyone else could laugh.. As a Christian, I wouldn’t care what he did…its just a photo, just as the Quran is a book made of paper and ink. And to your Saudi Arabia invasion fantasy, our military power sitting idle is enough to allow me to claim that would never happen. No nation in their right mind would ever attack us as we’d wipe them off the map in one day’s time. Nice try though…and to label us criminals for fighting the war on terror just shows how warped your claims are.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
11:47 am

@TrishaDishaWarEagle “we won’t have any problem unless they react violently.” Is that a joke? If I punched you twenty times in the face, would you react violently? The USA INVADED Afghanistan, because 19 Saudi Arabian’s attacked on 911. How would you react to having your country invaded? Your family killed? It is your complete ignorance and those like you that are turning the entire world into a cesspool of hatred and violence.

pat

April 8th, 2011
11:51 am

Prove me wrong M….

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
11:54 am

I use them both. In the outhouse.

Scott

April 8th, 2011
11:55 am

This idea that Muslims have always been a barbaric race is somewhat of a misconception. The extremist group of Muslims only came to being within the last century. Actually, Muslim nations were far more sophisticated than their contemporary European empire. They were far more intelligent, had advanced medical knowledge, the works. However, it is true that there are radicals among us now, but we shouldn’t be protesting that by burning a book, that does no good other than inciting anger. Similarly, we shouldn’t judge someone just because they are a Muslim.

pat

April 8th, 2011
11:56 am

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

I guess not only are athiests murders, but also titanicly stupid too. Or just plain ignorant history revisionists. Or wishful thinkers or just dumbasses who think that something comes from nothing with out a shed of evidence anywhere in the known universe.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
12:00 pm

@joe The war on terror serves the same purpose as the cold war. It allows the administration to pump an obscene amount of money into the pentagon which funnels that out into your economy and gives the arms industry a huge and constant shot in the arm. Money which would otherwise be wasted on stupid stuff like education or health care. It also gives the pretext for you to give up your freedoms on the pretext that you are under threat, and it makes politicians more popular and makes them look tough.
The invasion “fantasy” was not intended as a serious prediction of something that could happen. It was meant to try to get you to look at the world from the other perspective.

M

April 8th, 2011
12:09 pm

pat, are you really gonna play the “without a shred of evidence” card? Because if you do, that’s funny.

Also, can you get a website that has been updated in the last 15 years?

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
12:10 pm

Athiests can’t hold a candel to the Lord’s wrath. Killed’em all but a couple.

ATF

April 8th, 2011
12:11 pm

Glad you spoke up, Mr. Barr.

Yes, this stupido has the right to burn any book, but we also have the right to be appalled at it, to deny that his act is “christian”, or representative of anyone except himself. Jone’s act is that of a bully-child, throwing stone-filled snowballs at someone and ducking back behind momma’s skirts.

Jesus weeps and freedom is once more abused.

What ever happened to good manners?

M

April 8th, 2011
12:12 pm

After skimming that almost-Geocities-esque fun-page, I didn’t see a mention of atheism anywhere. I do see a lot of genocidal madmen who were obsessed with power, which isn’t even remotely the same thing.

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:22 pm

It’s not a card M, is a fact. Do some freakin research and quit relying on your hubris…

Do you have proof that documentation from 10-15 years ago is suddenly inaccurate? Nope you don’t;.

M

April 8th, 2011
12:24 pm

So you’re saying MY something can’t come from nothing, but your god can come from nothing? That’s a neat trick.

I’m not saying anything on that page is inaccurate. I’m saying that I didn’t see a mention of atheism in the few seconds I spent skimming it before the flashing lights and wavy lines hurt my eyes.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
12:27 pm

Not in the name of atheism pat, no such thing any way. The ramblings you link to do not say the people responsible were doing it in the name of being an atheist. In fact with a little research on your own wasted time, you’ll find that all those maniacs had a religion in their upbringing. Stuff that in your hubris and …. well you know.

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
12:31 pm

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:31 pm

Hey I am the only one who has provided any evidence, you have provided none. I have provided facts, you have provided none, M. So you can kiss my go-to-hell. I am right and you are wrong, and it sucks to be wrong.

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:34 pm

BRW, facts are stubborn things and democide (killing religious because thier religious) is a fact. You can lie to yourself and fool yourself all you want. Facts are facts and they are not on your side.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
12:35 pm

Just like Charlie Sheen pat, YOU ARE WINNING!!!! in your own mind…

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 8th, 2011
12:38 pm

I’m not the first person to suggest this but maybe if the media didn’t grant this person so much publicity, which is what he’s seeking, these things wouldn’t happen.

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:39 pm

Guess so BRW… Like I said it sucks to be wrong…..

An atheist propaganda website bullseye? Why do atheists need propaganda to propagate a belief in nothing? That’s sounds very religious to me….

M

April 8th, 2011
12:41 pm

Pat, I suggest you look up this “democide” word to figure out what it means (even though it is a word made up by the guy whose website you just unleashed on us). It does not mean what you think it means.

LeeH1

April 8th, 2011
12:43 pm

Terry Jones has the right to burn a book. The Moslems have a right not to kill. Who is denying these people their rights?

DebbieDoRight

April 8th, 2011
1:02 pm

How many churches have been burned down and replaced with a Mosque’s

I don’t know…….. Got a number or a link?

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
1:35 pm

To get an audience of believers, all you have to do is say that “God spoke to me. Here is the message.” Humans are wired with a need as strong as thirst and hunger to worship a God. It’s in our DNA, and that’s a fact.

Of course the bible was written by men, who say that God gave them a message. Well guess what? God gave me a message and he told me to tell all of you to stfu, you horrid pagans p-holes.

He meant a-holes.

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
1:37 pm

Here’s the real deal Pat:
Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

BRW

April 8th, 2011
1:39 pm

“Like I said it sucks to be wrong…..” pat, it appears you have lots of experience with this feeling. Don’t take it too hard.

kitty

April 8th, 2011
2:03 pm

Yes, he had the Constitutional right to do what he did, but the very Bible that espouses to live by says just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. I can go on and on with Bible verses that show how wrong he was. I doubt Jesus would have done what he did. Doesn’t a Christian want to be more like Jesus or does Jones just want attention? My guess is attention…and money.

yes, those who did the killing were wrong, deadly wrong. But Jones knew what he was doing so some of that blood is on his hands. I hope he gets haunted by those dead at night.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

April 8th, 2011
2:05 pm

Any argument based on a “holy book” is futile to those who don’t ascribe to the authority placed upon the book. So, quoting scriptures is foolish.

In a nutshell, there’s not one iota of difference between the narrowly defined religious views of Terry Jones and the Taliban. Both are extremist and a remnant of a distant and archaic mindset. Totally irrelevant to our society. . . .comical, if their actions didn’t have such consequences.

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
2:20 pm

Wrong, Clinton. There are no new sins, and if you look at the ten commandments, there’s really only one sin, and that’s sex. The litmus test today for whether you’re going to heaven or hell is how many times you viewed the paris hilton blowjob video. Five or less, heaven. Six or more, hell.

it’s that simple.

Oh yeah,, I watched it 87 times.

Native Atlantan

April 8th, 2011
2:32 pm

Oh Pat….step away from the crack pipe because you are delusional.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

April 8th, 2011
2:45 pm

Am I being irrational to say that out of a religion with over a billion adherents, the relative number of radicals, while creating havoc in some circles, cannot be used to discredit the rest.

Or, to put it another way, does this Christian radical represent the masses of tolerate, rational Christians.

And, TrishaDishaWarEagle needs to have a time out to go take her meds.

Dave

April 8th, 2011
2:50 pm

Blame the murderous, primitive filth in Afghanistan. That’s who’s responsible. Not some guy in Florida.

Godless and Free

April 8th, 2011
2:51 pm

So long is there is religion, we are set on the same path as the generations before us, killing each other in the name of “our” god.

Atheists are saying there is no god to themselves personally. It is a personal feeling, much like faith–but an Atheist’s “faith” has high regard for logic and sound reasoning. If the term “divine energy” or “life force” were used in combination with true acceptance, true tolerance, and true neighborly love, there’d probably be less of those inclinded to speak so mockingly of religion. So long as any religion is tied to fanciful ideas of miracles, reincarnations, afterlife, hades, angry gods, and instructions leading to bloodshed, we are doomed to be as ill-fated in our worldly pursuits of peace, properity and scientific advancement as were past generations. For example, our current laws prohibit stemcell research from aborted fetuses, for religious-based reasons, reducing our oppotunities to learn exponentially. Religion is an insult to intelligence. I don’t care if there is a god or not. If there is, it is exactly the same as if there isn’t to me–and to everyone else.

I question any religious person’s sanity and am not happy to think that that type of thinking is affiliated with our leaders. I wish the pastor in Barr’s post had never been given any attention–not only do radicals not deserve the attention, it isn’t really the business of government to consider it one way or the other.

As far as Pastor Jones is concerned–I wouldn’t burn his book or anyone else’s because I’m a RATIONAL. He isn’t. Neither are the other radicals. End of story.

Paschall Stembridge

April 8th, 2011
3:04 pm

The First Amendment does protect Mr. Jones’ right to desecrate the religious text.
Brandenburg v. Ohio is applicable, but ultimately the threat would not be imminent because it is remote. It is not remote in the sense that it is unlikely, but because the reaction is half a world away in west central Asia.
HOWEVER, I do believe Mr. Jones’ court in Florida lacked jurisdiction over the Q’rran, and therefore the verdict needs to be set aside. The only fair solution is for Mr. Jones to prosecute the Q’rran again in a whole new trial, and the trial should take place in a “forum conviens,” such as a bazaar in Islamabad or amidst a pilgrimage procession to Mecca.
I would be more than happy to contribute to any fundraising efforts to pay for Mr. Jones’ trip to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia so that he can prosecute his case.

And God Bless all the pure sweet Christians, like Ferdinand Magellan, who spread peace and love throughout the world.

Paschall Stembridge

April 8th, 2011
3:08 pm

I would like to nominate Past as Special Deputy assistant Prosecutor for Mr. Jones’ new trial in Afghanistan.

Jeb

April 8th, 2011
3:17 pm

Bullleye: Jesus would be proud of your tolerance.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

April 8th, 2011
3:22 pm

Paschall Stembridge — Terriffic post.

Smeagol

April 8th, 2011
4:01 pm

Well, at least he had the courage to stand up for what he believes in and not hide his light under a bush because he was afraid he may anger some lunatics. And may I just say you Americans are foolish to believe all that violence is solely in response to that incident. That was just a spark that set off a powder keg, the powder keg being the presence of the American army in their country and the interference by the United States government in their life. That’s what they are really angry about, but yes, lets white-wash the truth and blame it all on a simple preacher and his kook followers.

Incidentally, I believe all religion is insane but I’ll defend any one’s right to practice it as long as it doesn’t interfere with anyone else’s rights; and burning something that one has purchased with one’s own money and on one’s property is nobody else’s d*@n business. And that’s the last I want to hear about that s$#t.

Rightwing Troll

April 8th, 2011
6:30 pm

Yep, and the same nuts that can’t see a connection to this false prophet’s act of lunacy and the savages killing innocents in response, are the nuts who will insist we attacked Iraq because they were involved in 9/11.

Rightwing Troll

April 8th, 2011
6:31 pm

“because he was afraid he may anger some lunatics.”

He did this knowing people would die. “angering lunatics” is a hair different than knowing innocent people would die.

Pat

April 8th, 2011
6:34 pm

Terry Jones is a coward. Knowing people would die didn’t bother him or deter him from his stupid reckless showboating, because of one thing only. He knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that HIS LIFE was not going to be at risk. No, others would pay with their blood for the violence he instigated.
Of course the murders are the chief responsibility of the radical Islamicists (which, yahoos like Jones cannot comprehend, are NOT the same as mainstream Muslims.)
Of course murdering, extremist terrorists caused people to die. But Jones – a professed Christian – was under a sacred obligation to regard life. He did not, instead, putting his own massive ego first. For that, he will answer to Christ himself at the Last Judgement. Yeah, I said Last Judgement – not the Judgement Seat of Christ, where all Christ followers will be judged. Jones, by his fruits, has revealed hima heart of selfishness that calls into question his status as a follower of Christ. My observation is that he appears to be a follower of news headlines.
Why do I say so? Jesus said those who are stumbling blocks to belief in Christ will suffer judgement.
The average Muslim family who lives decently, works hard, loves their children and just wants to live in peace has been, as a direct result of Jones’ actions, driven AWAY from accepting the gospel. Jones will be called to account for any role he played in causing people to reject that message..

Grugal Fartnoise

April 8th, 2011
6:53 pm

Now I think the discussion is wavering between what is religious and what is political. In Christianity, it’s always about the grace we have accumulated or have spent while we pretend to ask WWJD. In Islam, it’s always about the social implications of behavior.

Like take my wife, please. In Christianity that gets a big laugh. In Islam that gets you stoned to death.

I think I’ve concluded this discussion. Now please turn to page 37 of the Kama Sutra and rotate.

bwa

jd

April 8th, 2011
7:19 pm

It’s too bad they burned only the koran (lower-case intended for disrespect). They should have burned the bible, torah, talmud, tibetan book of the dead, and every other filthy, primitive religious text that has infected humanity with the stupidity from which it currently suffers. Equal Opportunity Hatred of Stupidity is what should be demonstrated but never will be as long as their are idiots to defend their own beliefs in the supernatural. So mote it be!

d

April 8th, 2011
7:19 pm

Roads Scholar,

“Ron: Bless your heart!”

What a wonderfully wonderful southern way to say what you meant. Thanks.

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poison pen

April 8th, 2011
9:22 pm

I find it quite interesting that most cartoonists will make fun of most religions but not Islam. Most of them are chickensh*ts.

Marlboro Man

April 8th, 2011
9:57 pm

Someone should spank him…

art

April 8th, 2011
11:25 pm

I like jd’s idea of burning ALL the religious books. Unfortunately, can you imagine the wars that would cause: stupid people (believers) vs. smart people (non-believers)? The only good thing coming from those wars is that there just might be fewer stupid people left living if the smart guys could take control of nuclear weapons.

old shoes

April 9th, 2011
7:49 am

fundamentalist christians and islamic fundamentalists are two peas in the same pod

Grugal Fartnoise

April 9th, 2011
8:24 am

Very insightful, old shoes. In fact, Islam and Christianity are identical religions down to the porking. Look how the catholic nuns dress. Look how Sister Mary Philomena used to punish me for trying to look up little Sally’s dress in the third grade. I mean, there’s no diff, baby.

Quantum Theory has identified a ying for every yang, and the fact is, that the ying and the yang are carbon copies of themselves, only in a mirror image sort of way, so that if they collide, they annihilate one another. Particle physics needs observers. As humans observe each other, we can never know ourselves, that is, we can’t know who we’re becoming if we know who we are, and we can’t know who we are if we know who we’re becoming.

like if you’re a waiter who goes to night school to become a lawyer. So what are you? A lawyer or a waiter? If you passed the bar and you become a lawyer, then who will you be in ten years if you miss the restaurant bizz and open a taco stand?

or something like that. I will finish my manifesto when they complete the experiments now being conducted at the Large Hadron Supercollider.

Then I vill taken over der verlde…..

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bob

April 9th, 2011
10:25 am

Carlos says “When American citizens burn the American flag, liberals say it is their “free speech” right. When “Chrisians” assemble at the funeral of a fallen soldier and hurl grievious insults at him and his family, liberals insist it is their “free speech” right. ”

Flag burning is protected speech, most liberals agree. I don’t know any liberals who approve of flag burning. As to the funeral protesters, I think you should check which Supreme Court justices supported their “speech” rights. I don’t think there’s any real conservative v. liberal view on that issue. As a liberal, I think the funeral protester scumbags have a constitutional right to protest, but I think there is a valid right for a family member to file a civil lawsuit against them for “intentional infliction of emotional distress.”

As to the Florida hate preacher–as Barr says, exercising one’s Constitutional rights doesn’t mean one isn’t a hateful moron.

Those in our country bashing Muslims seem to forget that there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the World–and probably a few 1000 terrorists. The KKK at one time had millions of professed Christians; Hitler was a professed Christain; 100,000s of U.S. prisoners will claim they are criminals. If you are all that fired up about Muslims, you are likely a loser redneck.

bob

April 9th, 2011
10:27 am

Should have said: 100,000s of U.S. prisoners will claim they are Christians.

Schrodinger's cat

April 9th, 2011
11:15 am

Just another opportunity to bash Christians for the peanut gallery….The all self important and smug “I am smarter than you” atheists….nothing new here!

twinkletoes

April 9th, 2011
1:02 pm

Maybe I’m confused, or my memory is bad, but I don’t recall ANY Christians getting all heated up and rioting because someone burned the bible. Personally, I consider the uprisings because of burning a bit of wood turned into a writing material, both immature and insane!

Mohammed

April 9th, 2011
1:26 pm

It is true that this pasteur is no less than a complete idiot. Just among those who talk about god and peace and shit but break their own rules without much sense. But he alone is not the one to be blamed even though he started these things without using his brains. the people in afganisthan too are real stupids. let them burn a bible and let the matter settle down. why kill or harm people?

Allyanaz

April 9th, 2011
4:09 pm

I’m happy to *finally* agree with Bob Barr on something!

Calling a spade a spade

April 9th, 2011
5:41 pm

Mr. Barr,
Thanks for the nice reminder that freedom of expression in this country also guarantees the right of idiots to make complete idiots of themselves. “Better to keep your mouth shut and leave a doubt, than open it and remove all doubt”….

the watch dog

April 9th, 2011
5:45 pm

When we condemn the minister for exercising his constitutional rights we are weakening the constitution. The middle east muslim community is looking for any excuse to have a riot and attack citizens of our country. The muslims are the ones out of control and doing what ever to have a confrontation.In the middle east the U.S. faces a hostile and undemocratic world. We should get out.
Let us face the facts, with gas at $4.00 a gallon there are plenty to cope with here. It is just a ridiculous expense staying in the middle east. From the beginning,all I have seen are a pile of rocks over there and a bunch of unshaven hostile people.

the watch dog

April 9th, 2011
5:47 pm

I wonder why they clicked off my comment. It makes me feel unwanted, but i never give up i will try again.

killerj

April 9th, 2011
5:54 pm

Lets see,6000 troop,s are dead even before this incident,seems to me any excuse on muslim,s part to kill is justified while extreme liberal,s allow it to happen,my faith in this government is non-extant,political war is suicide.

Eachus alan

April 9th, 2011
10:05 pm

It is stated that only 9% of north americans have a passport that allows them too travel the know World. and i for one are grateful for that,the world gave up to you it’s poor and down trodden for a reason, it appers you have forgotten why. if you don’t like the answers, then ask a better question,because yet again the world is starting to draw the curtains around itself and move to a tune of it’s own making, just as your country and peoples are awaking to the world.ignorance,greed,and arrogance is no excuse for any persons and or nation

athensjack

April 10th, 2011
12:02 am

Seems to me muslims are the problem, not the burning of a BOOK. No one would have said anything or made a fuss had Jones burned a Holy Bible, nor should they have since it too is a BOOK. Muslims have no right to kill anyone based on something as insignificant as burning a BOOK.

JERRY

April 10th, 2011
12:16 am

I AGREE THE PASTOR IS STUPID, BUT HOW STUPID IS A CULTURE THAT KILLS PEOPLE BECAUSE SOMEONE BURNS A BOOK OR PENS A CARTOON (DENMARK) OR WRITES A BOOK (SALMON RUSKIE sp?). THE BOOK BURNER IS ONE GUY OR MAYBE A HANDFULL, THE CULTURE THAT KILLS OR APPROVES THE KILLING NUMBERS MILLIONS. YOU COULD BURN A CARLOAD OF BIBLES AND NO ONE WOULD CARE.

BY THE WAY OUR SUPREME COURT JUST APPROVED (8 TO 1) DEMONSTRATIONS AT MILITARY FUNERALS WITH SIGNS SAYING TO THE EFFECT “WE LOVE DEAD SOLDIERS.” HOW GOOFY IS THAT??

BitterEXdemocrackkk

April 10th, 2011
8:27 am

WHY does the mainstream media never report on all the muslim violence against Christians and others in the middle east region?

Still, I hope that many angry muslims killed each other over this ‘international event’ of the book burning.

N-GA

April 10th, 2011
11:33 am

Whenever muslims extremists do something terrible, there are countless cries of “Why aren’t the muslim leaders condemning these acts?”

Why aren’t tens of thousands of Christian ministers condemning ths pastor/church for burning the Koran?

THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!

Bill

April 10th, 2011
11:40 am

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to yell “fire” in a crowded theater. This is an old truism, but it applies none the less. When you know that your speech will result in death and destruction, you are as culpable as those who actually commit the acts.

Butts Wagner

April 10th, 2011
11:46 am

Jone’s act is that of a bully-child, throwing stone-filled snowballs at someone and ducking back behind momma’s skirts.

What does that make the rioting Muslims who literally have blood on their hands?

WTF

April 10th, 2011
3:30 pm

After reading the comments it’s no wonder our country is on the way down. By reading all the dummass comments I can see our demise is not far off.

captguitarman

April 10th, 2011
8:22 pm

Yep “Another View” there are idiots and bigots and know nothing neanderthals and murderers plenty enough to go around on both sides — as you are living proof of same. Do you ever listen to yourself? Obviously not. I almost laughed out loud at your line about “our treatment of abortion doctors.” You are so compassionate. I assume that your next iditotic prose will express your concern about the treatment of the German and Unkranian guards at Auchwitz after WW II. I’m no radical on abortion. There are times when it is justified. But inconvenience is not a justifiable rationale, but that’s just me. But your stupid comment and your approach to brand all Christians as immoral and hypocrital due to the actions of a few crackpots, and about how Christians have never had a problem with murder . . . blah blah blah highlights just demonstrate your own biases and the shalllowness of your thining. “The treatment of our abotion doctors” . . . I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Steve

April 10th, 2011
9:32 pm

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World – One Body at a Time

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Frederick Fitch

April 11th, 2011
2:19 am

I agree with you Bob. Exposing stuidity and ignorance is what is needed to eliminate this kind of drama.

Jeannine

April 11th, 2011
12:48 pm

Terry Jones has the right to burn any book that he wants to burn and to say whatever he wants to say. But there is a time and a place for everything, and I know that this is the same wacko who has been protesting at the funerals of US servicemen. The effrontery to protest at ANYONES funeral is beyond belief, why would you want to torment the family of someone who has just lost a loved one? He is a disgrace to the Unites States of America

gscott(atheist)

April 12th, 2011
10:48 am

Ray,
If an American citizen staged or directed an attack on Saudi Arabia then claimed responsibilty we would hand him over. And for that matter Bin Laden would of been extradited from Saudi Arabia if they had him. Not too mention we wouldn’t allow an anti-muslim terrorist organization to operate with impunity in this country.

BTW murderers are responsible for their own actions whatever motivation they claim. And screw the Koran open it up to any page and you will find god cursing, ridiculing, condemning and/or killing infidels or encouraging these actions. Muslims are violent because their religion demands violence.