The pastor with a doctorate in stupidity

In the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Henry Jones (played by Sean Connery) – father of the protagonist – tells a Nazi SS officer, “goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them,” referring to the burning of books that Adolf Hitler’s regime found to be offensive to his ideology.

The suggestion is one that Terry Jones, the self-proclaimed Florida pastor (and no relationship to the Indiana Jones), who made news last year by announcing he would burn copies of the Quran on the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks, should follow.

Jones eventually backed down from his threat, giving his word he would not burn Islam’s holy book, after outcry from across the global.  But promises are not what they used to be, even for a pastor.

On March 20th, Jones’ self-styled “church,” the Dove World Outreach Center, put the Quran on “trial” for what he called “International Judge the Quran Day.” The pastor acted as the judge over the proceeding; with Mohamed el Hassan, an Imam from Texas, presenting the case for his religion.

The outcome was preordained. The “jurors” found the Quran guilty of “training and promoting” terrorist activities, the “death, rape, and torture of people worldwide whose only crime is ‘not being of Islamic faith,’” and “crimes against women, against minorities, against Christians, and with the promoting of prejudice and racism against anyone who is not a Moslem.”

Jones had been warned previously that publicly burning the Quran could place lives – including American troops – in danger. The pastor’s zeal for publicity, however, trumped what little common sense he seemed to have possessed last Fall, and he gleefully pressed ahead this Spring.  Those warnings became reality. Shortly after the news of the Quran-burning broke, Muslims in Afghanistan violently protested; killing seven people and injuring at least 90 in separate attacks; and more may be in the offing. Jones, however, absolves himself of all responsibility, and acts the martyr; which he may hope he becomes.

The First Amendment protects free speech and expression, even if it is unpopular. There is little question that Jones was within his rights to do what he did, but that does not mean he should have; and it does make him any less the complete idiot he truly is.

-by Bob Barr, The Barr Code

115 comments Add your comment

ATF

April 8th, 2011
12:11 pm

Glad you spoke up, Mr. Barr.

Yes, this stupido has the right to burn any book, but we also have the right to be appalled at it, to deny that his act is “christian”, or representative of anyone except himself. Jone’s act is that of a bully-child, throwing stone-filled snowballs at someone and ducking back behind momma’s skirts.

Jesus weeps and freedom is once more abused.

What ever happened to good manners?

M

April 8th, 2011
12:12 pm

After skimming that almost-Geocities-esque fun-page, I didn’t see a mention of atheism anywhere. I do see a lot of genocidal madmen who were obsessed with power, which isn’t even remotely the same thing.

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:22 pm

It’s not a card M, is a fact. Do some freakin research and quit relying on your hubris…

Do you have proof that documentation from 10-15 years ago is suddenly inaccurate? Nope you don’t;.

M

April 8th, 2011
12:24 pm

So you’re saying MY something can’t come from nothing, but your god can come from nothing? That’s a neat trick.

I’m not saying anything on that page is inaccurate. I’m saying that I didn’t see a mention of atheism in the few seconds I spent skimming it before the flashing lights and wavy lines hurt my eyes.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
12:27 pm

Not in the name of atheism pat, no such thing any way. The ramblings you link to do not say the people responsible were doing it in the name of being an atheist. In fact with a little research on your own wasted time, you’ll find that all those maniacs had a religion in their upbringing. Stuff that in your hubris and …. well you know.

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
12:31 pm

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:31 pm

Hey I am the only one who has provided any evidence, you have provided none. I have provided facts, you have provided none, M. So you can kiss my go-to-hell. I am right and you are wrong, and it sucks to be wrong.

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:34 pm

BRW, facts are stubborn things and democide (killing religious because thier religious) is a fact. You can lie to yourself and fool yourself all you want. Facts are facts and they are not on your side.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
12:35 pm

Just like Charlie Sheen pat, YOU ARE WINNING!!!! in your own mind…

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 8th, 2011
12:38 pm

I’m not the first person to suggest this but maybe if the media didn’t grant this person so much publicity, which is what he’s seeking, these things wouldn’t happen.

pat

April 8th, 2011
12:39 pm

Guess so BRW… Like I said it sucks to be wrong…..

An atheist propaganda website bullseye? Why do atheists need propaganda to propagate a belief in nothing? That’s sounds very religious to me….

M

April 8th, 2011
12:41 pm

Pat, I suggest you look up this “democide” word to figure out what it means (even though it is a word made up by the guy whose website you just unleashed on us). It does not mean what you think it means.

LeeH1

April 8th, 2011
12:43 pm

Terry Jones has the right to burn a book. The Moslems have a right not to kill. Who is denying these people their rights?

DebbieDoRight

April 8th, 2011
1:02 pm

How many churches have been burned down and replaced with a Mosque’s

I don’t know…….. Got a number or a link?

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
1:35 pm

To get an audience of believers, all you have to do is say that “God spoke to me. Here is the message.” Humans are wired with a need as strong as thirst and hunger to worship a God. It’s in our DNA, and that’s a fact.

Of course the bible was written by men, who say that God gave them a message. Well guess what? God gave me a message and he told me to tell all of you to stfu, you horrid pagans p-holes.

He meant a-holes.

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
1:37 pm

Here’s the real deal Pat:
Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

BRW

April 8th, 2011
1:39 pm

“Like I said it sucks to be wrong…..” pat, it appears you have lots of experience with this feeling. Don’t take it too hard.

kitty

April 8th, 2011
2:03 pm

Yes, he had the Constitutional right to do what he did, but the very Bible that espouses to live by says just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. I can go on and on with Bible verses that show how wrong he was. I doubt Jesus would have done what he did. Doesn’t a Christian want to be more like Jesus or does Jones just want attention? My guess is attention…and money.

yes, those who did the killing were wrong, deadly wrong. But Jones knew what he was doing so some of that blood is on his hands. I hope he gets haunted by those dead at night.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

April 8th, 2011
2:05 pm

Any argument based on a “holy book” is futile to those who don’t ascribe to the authority placed upon the book. So, quoting scriptures is foolish.

In a nutshell, there’s not one iota of difference between the narrowly defined religious views of Terry Jones and the Taliban. Both are extremist and a remnant of a distant and archaic mindset. Totally irrelevant to our society. . . .comical, if their actions didn’t have such consequences.

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
2:20 pm

Wrong, Clinton. There are no new sins, and if you look at the ten commandments, there’s really only one sin, and that’s sex. The litmus test today for whether you’re going to heaven or hell is how many times you viewed the paris hilton blowjob video. Five or less, heaven. Six or more, hell.

it’s that simple.

Oh yeah,, I watched it 87 times.

Native Atlantan

April 8th, 2011
2:32 pm

Oh Pat….step away from the crack pipe because you are delusional.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

April 8th, 2011
2:45 pm

Am I being irrational to say that out of a religion with over a billion adherents, the relative number of radicals, while creating havoc in some circles, cannot be used to discredit the rest.

Or, to put it another way, does this Christian radical represent the masses of tolerate, rational Christians.

And, TrishaDishaWarEagle needs to have a time out to go take her meds.

Dave

April 8th, 2011
2:50 pm

Blame the murderous, primitive filth in Afghanistan. That’s who’s responsible. Not some guy in Florida.

Godless and Free

April 8th, 2011
2:51 pm

So long is there is religion, we are set on the same path as the generations before us, killing each other in the name of “our” god.

Atheists are saying there is no god to themselves personally. It is a personal feeling, much like faith–but an Atheist’s “faith” has high regard for logic and sound reasoning. If the term “divine energy” or “life force” were used in combination with true acceptance, true tolerance, and true neighborly love, there’d probably be less of those inclinded to speak so mockingly of religion. So long as any religion is tied to fanciful ideas of miracles, reincarnations, afterlife, hades, angry gods, and instructions leading to bloodshed, we are doomed to be as ill-fated in our worldly pursuits of peace, properity and scientific advancement as were past generations. For example, our current laws prohibit stemcell research from aborted fetuses, for religious-based reasons, reducing our oppotunities to learn exponentially. Religion is an insult to intelligence. I don’t care if there is a god or not. If there is, it is exactly the same as if there isn’t to me–and to everyone else.

I question any religious person’s sanity and am not happy to think that that type of thinking is affiliated with our leaders. I wish the pastor in Barr’s post had never been given any attention–not only do radicals not deserve the attention, it isn’t really the business of government to consider it one way or the other.

As far as Pastor Jones is concerned–I wouldn’t burn his book or anyone else’s because I’m a RATIONAL. He isn’t. Neither are the other radicals. End of story.

Paschall Stembridge

April 8th, 2011
3:04 pm

The First Amendment does protect Mr. Jones’ right to desecrate the religious text.
Brandenburg v. Ohio is applicable, but ultimately the threat would not be imminent because it is remote. It is not remote in the sense that it is unlikely, but because the reaction is half a world away in west central Asia.
HOWEVER, I do believe Mr. Jones’ court in Florida lacked jurisdiction over the Q’rran, and therefore the verdict needs to be set aside. The only fair solution is for Mr. Jones to prosecute the Q’rran again in a whole new trial, and the trial should take place in a “forum conviens,” such as a bazaar in Islamabad or amidst a pilgrimage procession to Mecca.
I would be more than happy to contribute to any fundraising efforts to pay for Mr. Jones’ trip to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia so that he can prosecute his case.

And God Bless all the pure sweet Christians, like Ferdinand Magellan, who spread peace and love throughout the world.

Paschall Stembridge

April 8th, 2011
3:08 pm

I would like to nominate Past as Special Deputy assistant Prosecutor for Mr. Jones’ new trial in Afghanistan.

Jeb

April 8th, 2011
3:17 pm

Bullleye: Jesus would be proud of your tolerance.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

April 8th, 2011
3:22 pm

Paschall Stembridge — Terriffic post.

Smeagol

April 8th, 2011
4:01 pm

Well, at least he had the courage to stand up for what he believes in and not hide his light under a bush because he was afraid he may anger some lunatics. And may I just say you Americans are foolish to believe all that violence is solely in response to that incident. That was just a spark that set off a powder keg, the powder keg being the presence of the American army in their country and the interference by the United States government in their life. That’s what they are really angry about, but yes, lets white-wash the truth and blame it all on a simple preacher and his kook followers.

Incidentally, I believe all religion is insane but I’ll defend any one’s right to practice it as long as it doesn’t interfere with anyone else’s rights; and burning something that one has purchased with one’s own money and on one’s property is nobody else’s d*@n business. And that’s the last I want to hear about that s$#t.

Rightwing Troll

April 8th, 2011
6:30 pm

Yep, and the same nuts that can’t see a connection to this false prophet’s act of lunacy and the savages killing innocents in response, are the nuts who will insist we attacked Iraq because they were involved in 9/11.

Rightwing Troll

April 8th, 2011
6:31 pm

“because he was afraid he may anger some lunatics.”

He did this knowing people would die. “angering lunatics” is a hair different than knowing innocent people would die.

Pat

April 8th, 2011
6:34 pm

Terry Jones is a coward. Knowing people would die didn’t bother him or deter him from his stupid reckless showboating, because of one thing only. He knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that HIS LIFE was not going to be at risk. No, others would pay with their blood for the violence he instigated.
Of course the murders are the chief responsibility of the radical Islamicists (which, yahoos like Jones cannot comprehend, are NOT the same as mainstream Muslims.)
Of course murdering, extremist terrorists caused people to die. But Jones – a professed Christian – was under a sacred obligation to regard life. He did not, instead, putting his own massive ego first. For that, he will answer to Christ himself at the Last Judgement. Yeah, I said Last Judgement – not the Judgement Seat of Christ, where all Christ followers will be judged. Jones, by his fruits, has revealed hima heart of selfishness that calls into question his status as a follower of Christ. My observation is that he appears to be a follower of news headlines.
Why do I say so? Jesus said those who are stumbling blocks to belief in Christ will suffer judgement.
The average Muslim family who lives decently, works hard, loves their children and just wants to live in peace has been, as a direct result of Jones’ actions, driven AWAY from accepting the gospel. Jones will be called to account for any role he played in causing people to reject that message..

Grugal Fartnoise

April 8th, 2011
6:53 pm

Now I think the discussion is wavering between what is religious and what is political. In Christianity, it’s always about the grace we have accumulated or have spent while we pretend to ask WWJD. In Islam, it’s always about the social implications of behavior.

Like take my wife, please. In Christianity that gets a big laugh. In Islam that gets you stoned to death.

I think I’ve concluded this discussion. Now please turn to page 37 of the Kama Sutra and rotate.

bwa

jd

April 8th, 2011
7:19 pm

It’s too bad they burned only the koran (lower-case intended for disrespect). They should have burned the bible, torah, talmud, tibetan book of the dead, and every other filthy, primitive religious text that has infected humanity with the stupidity from which it currently suffers. Equal Opportunity Hatred of Stupidity is what should be demonstrated but never will be as long as their are idiots to defend their own beliefs in the supernatural. So mote it be!

d

April 8th, 2011
7:19 pm

Roads Scholar,

“Ron: Bless your heart!”

What a wonderfully wonderful southern way to say what you meant. Thanks.

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poison pen

April 8th, 2011
9:22 pm

I find it quite interesting that most cartoonists will make fun of most religions but not Islam. Most of them are chickensh*ts.

Marlboro Man

April 8th, 2011
9:57 pm

Someone should spank him…

art

April 8th, 2011
11:25 pm

I like jd’s idea of burning ALL the religious books. Unfortunately, can you imagine the wars that would cause: stupid people (believers) vs. smart people (non-believers)? The only good thing coming from those wars is that there just might be fewer stupid people left living if the smart guys could take control of nuclear weapons.

old shoes

April 9th, 2011
7:49 am

fundamentalist christians and islamic fundamentalists are two peas in the same pod

Grugal Fartnoise

April 9th, 2011
8:24 am

Very insightful, old shoes. In fact, Islam and Christianity are identical religions down to the porking. Look how the catholic nuns dress. Look how Sister Mary Philomena used to punish me for trying to look up little Sally’s dress in the third grade. I mean, there’s no diff, baby.

Quantum Theory has identified a ying for every yang, and the fact is, that the ying and the yang are carbon copies of themselves, only in a mirror image sort of way, so that if they collide, they annihilate one another. Particle physics needs observers. As humans observe each other, we can never know ourselves, that is, we can’t know who we’re becoming if we know who we are, and we can’t know who we are if we know who we’re becoming.

like if you’re a waiter who goes to night school to become a lawyer. So what are you? A lawyer or a waiter? If you passed the bar and you become a lawyer, then who will you be in ten years if you miss the restaurant bizz and open a taco stand?

or something like that. I will finish my manifesto when they complete the experiments now being conducted at the Large Hadron Supercollider.

Then I vill taken over der verlde…..

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bob

April 9th, 2011
10:25 am

Carlos says “When American citizens burn the American flag, liberals say it is their “free speech” right. When “Chrisians” assemble at the funeral of a fallen soldier and hurl grievious insults at him and his family, liberals insist it is their “free speech” right. ”

Flag burning is protected speech, most liberals agree. I don’t know any liberals who approve of flag burning. As to the funeral protesters, I think you should check which Supreme Court justices supported their “speech” rights. I don’t think there’s any real conservative v. liberal view on that issue. As a liberal, I think the funeral protester scumbags have a constitutional right to protest, but I think there is a valid right for a family member to file a civil lawsuit against them for “intentional infliction of emotional distress.”

As to the Florida hate preacher–as Barr says, exercising one’s Constitutional rights doesn’t mean one isn’t a hateful moron.

Those in our country bashing Muslims seem to forget that there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the World–and probably a few 1000 terrorists. The KKK at one time had millions of professed Christians; Hitler was a professed Christain; 100,000s of U.S. prisoners will claim they are criminals. If you are all that fired up about Muslims, you are likely a loser redneck.

bob

April 9th, 2011
10:27 am

Should have said: 100,000s of U.S. prisoners will claim they are Christians.

Schrodinger's cat

April 9th, 2011
11:15 am

Just another opportunity to bash Christians for the peanut gallery….The all self important and smug “I am smarter than you” atheists….nothing new here!

twinkletoes

April 9th, 2011
1:02 pm

Maybe I’m confused, or my memory is bad, but I don’t recall ANY Christians getting all heated up and rioting because someone burned the bible. Personally, I consider the uprisings because of burning a bit of wood turned into a writing material, both immature and insane!

Mohammed

April 9th, 2011
1:26 pm

It is true that this pasteur is no less than a complete idiot. Just among those who talk about god and peace and shit but break their own rules without much sense. But he alone is not the one to be blamed even though he started these things without using his brains. the people in afganisthan too are real stupids. let them burn a bible and let the matter settle down. why kill or harm people?

Allyanaz

April 9th, 2011
4:09 pm

I’m happy to *finally* agree with Bob Barr on something!

Calling a spade a spade

April 9th, 2011
5:41 pm

Mr. Barr,
Thanks for the nice reminder that freedom of expression in this country also guarantees the right of idiots to make complete idiots of themselves. “Better to keep your mouth shut and leave a doubt, than open it and remove all doubt”….

the watch dog

April 9th, 2011
5:45 pm

When we condemn the minister for exercising his constitutional rights we are weakening the constitution. The middle east muslim community is looking for any excuse to have a riot and attack citizens of our country. The muslims are the ones out of control and doing what ever to have a confrontation.In the middle east the U.S. faces a hostile and undemocratic world. We should get out.
Let us face the facts, with gas at $4.00 a gallon there are plenty to cope with here. It is just a ridiculous expense staying in the middle east. From the beginning,all I have seen are a pile of rocks over there and a bunch of unshaven hostile people.