The pastor with a doctorate in stupidity

In the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Henry Jones (played by Sean Connery) – father of the protagonist – tells a Nazi SS officer, “goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them,” referring to the burning of books that Adolf Hitler’s regime found to be offensive to his ideology.

The suggestion is one that Terry Jones, the self-proclaimed Florida pastor (and no relationship to the Indiana Jones), who made news last year by announcing he would burn copies of the Quran on the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks, should follow.

Jones eventually backed down from his threat, giving his word he would not burn Islam’s holy book, after outcry from across the global.  But promises are not what they used to be, even for a pastor.

On March 20th, Jones’ self-styled “church,” the Dove World Outreach Center, put the Quran on “trial” for what he called “International Judge the Quran Day.” The pastor acted as the judge over the proceeding; with Mohamed el Hassan, an Imam from Texas, presenting the case for his religion.

The outcome was preordained. The “jurors” found the Quran guilty of “training and promoting” terrorist activities, the “death, rape, and torture of people worldwide whose only crime is ‘not being of Islamic faith,’” and “crimes against women, against minorities, against Christians, and with the promoting of prejudice and racism against anyone who is not a Moslem.”

Jones had been warned previously that publicly burning the Quran could place lives – including American troops – in danger. The pastor’s zeal for publicity, however, trumped what little common sense he seemed to have possessed last Fall, and he gleefully pressed ahead this Spring.  Those warnings became reality. Shortly after the news of the Quran-burning broke, Muslims in Afghanistan violently protested; killing seven people and injuring at least 90 in separate attacks; and more may be in the offing. Jones, however, absolves himself of all responsibility, and acts the martyr; which he may hope he becomes.

The First Amendment protects free speech and expression, even if it is unpopular. There is little question that Jones was within his rights to do what he did, but that does not mean he should have; and it does make him any less the complete idiot he truly is.

-by Bob Barr, The Barr Code

115 comments Add your comment

jared Ballowe

April 8th, 2011
5:17 am

But Bob the Muslims are such peace loving people! Why would they do such a thing? I mean even the bible thumping Christians would go around killing people in the Bible belt if such a thing occurred……..not.

Maybe the real idiots are the ones protesting and killing people over paper being burnt Bob, I am sorry but poor show old man.

Ron

April 8th, 2011
5:42 am

I’m getting sick and tired of hearing him called idiot, stupid, loony, gun-toting backward southerner, fundie, dumb, etc, and then his actions of buring the koran likened to Nazi book bonfires. A lot of people are beginning to see through these stereotypes as I have been following this story. The Nazis were attempting to BAN free speech by burning the books. Jones and now Ann Barnhardt’s video are attempts to EXERCISE free speech amidst a fog of political correctness and cowtowing to muslim Sharia demands that we should be dhimmis.

Road Scholar

April 8th, 2011
6:26 am

Ron: Bless your heart!

Karl Marx

April 8th, 2011
6:46 am

Last November 10 Christian homes were burned in Egypt because of a rumor that a Christian man was in a romantic relationship with a Muslim girl.
On Feb. 22, the Taliban attacked six churches, burned several Christian homes and four Bibles and injured children in Karachi, Pakistan
30 July, some 50 Christian homes were burned by Muslims in the village of Korian Pakistan. A Christian wedding was being celebrated in the village and “rumours” spread that, during the wedding ceremony, a Qur’an had been burned. It had not. Incited by broadcasts from local mosques, Muslims torched Christian homes and also burned Christian-owned livestock. A flammable chemical available only to the military, was used. To make matters worse, Muslims lay down in front of the fire engines to prevent them reaching the blazing houses.

Now Bob you want to call Mr. Jones Crazy. Where is your outrage over thousands of Muslim atrocities on Christians. I thought so. You have no honor do you.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
6:52 am

Yes. Those evil Muslims. We peace-loving Christians would never do anything violent. Like invade a country (or two) and murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people. That would never happen. Because we follow our religious teachings to the letter. We forgive. We love our neighbors and turn the other cheek. Bloody hypocrites.

DeborahinAthens

April 8th, 2011
7:16 am

What I love is Karzid demanded that the US punish Jones. This is a perfect example of how these people, ruled for over a thousand years by primative–yes PRIMATIVE– tribal laws, will never understand what freedom and civil liberty really means.Ostensibly, Karzid is a leader of a “democracy” that thousands of Americans died to bring about. Ostensibly, they have a Constitution outlining rights for their citizens that is somewhat similar to our Constitution, but they don’t get it. What a joke! As much as I detest what Jones did. He has the right to do it. When the creators of “Southpark” did a very, very funny show about Mohammad (putting him in a bear suit, because they couldn’t show him) the show was immediately pulled. Someone, I don’t remember who, said that,in retaliation, the people in the US should have a “Draw a Picture of Mohammad Day” just to show the radical Islamists what freedom means. We HAVE to stop bowing to the demands that we bend to their will. Instead, they should learn that in the United States of America, even witches and warlocks, KKK members, Nazis, communists, religious zealots like Jones all have a right granted by our Constitution to say or do what they like, as long as it doesn’t impinge on someone else’s freedom. And by the by, that freedom means unpopular rights, such as same sex marriage, abortion, etc, etc, etc, etc… There are thousands of Christian fundamentalists that think Eric Rudolph and abortion doctor murderers are justified in their vile actions. So, maybe we aren’t that highly evolved after all…

Professor Fate

April 8th, 2011
7:17 am

A pox on both their houses . . . and on fundamentalists of every ilk!

DebbieDoRight

April 8th, 2011
7:46 am

Bobb Barr – You’ll probably never read this again but…………….I agree with you. Too many people want to hide behind their religion, (be they muslim, jews, or CHRISTIANS), but all they are preaching is the religion of hate. Yes we do have freedom of speech in this country, however we, as Americans should also know that that freedom was paid for by the blood of our ancestors and if there’s blood in then there’s blood out. Scientifically for every action there is an equal reaction — that’s just the way the world works; that’s why in the old testament it said “an eye for an eye”.

There are those who wish to put Islam on trial, yet turn a blind eye to the horrors of every other religion on the planet, which there are few that have not shed blood in its name.

We have to remember that Being politically correct is not an anathema to be spat upon; the very christians who decry Islam forget their own bible teachings of Judge ye not; Love thy neighbor as thyself; or How can you love me whom you have never seen yet hate your neighbor. If we as Christians would stay true to our beliefs and values, perhaps our light, like Jesus’ can draw others to us, instead of our ignorance turning them away.

Another view

April 8th, 2011
8:08 am

To fondly remember George Carlin:
“Murder. The Fifth Commandment. But, if you give it a little thought, you realize that religion has never really had a problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.
“To cite a few examples, just think about Irish history, the Middle East, the Crusades, the Inquisition, our own abortion-doctor killings and, yes, the World Trade Center to see how seriously religious people take Thou Shalt Not Kill. Apparently, to religious folks – especially the truly devout-murder is negotiable. It just depends on who’s doing the killing and who’s getting killed.”
I’ve certainly met folks who consider themselves Christians who I find truly good people, but they don’t seem to be particularly plentiful. Most seem to be no different from the other spiteful narrow-minded hateful bigots – they just use their god as their excuse to be so. I particularly like Carlin’s suggested commandment – “Keep thy religion to thyself.”
@Debbie, my guess is you’re one of the good ones.

carlosgvv

April 8th, 2011
8:12 am

When American citizens burn the American flag, liberals say it is their “free speech” right. When “Chrisians” assemble at the funeral of a fallen soldier and hurl grievious insults at him and his family, liberals insist it is their “free speech” right. When an American burns a Koran, liberals go into spasams of protest and insist that should have not been done. It’s not too hard to see why. They are deathly afraid of Muslim violence abroad and are even more afraid it will come here and even get them. So, in effect, Muslim terrorists dictate to them what is and is not “free speech”.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
8:40 am

I am a liberal. I defend Terry Jone’s RIGHT to burn the Koran. Freedom of speech must be defended ESPECIALLY when people are using in ways we don’t like, that is the whole point of the law. But actions must be judged on their likely consequences. He knew he was putting lives at risk by doing what he did. It was not illegal – nor should it be. But it was totally immoral by any standard, and for that I condemn him. That is my right.

Techfan

April 8th, 2011
8:55 am

Combat veteran

April 8th, 2011
9:09 am

All you retards and take your whining and go get screwed. The fact that one idiot can put peoples lives in danger by actin out in a violent and racist manner toward a religion is what we are talking about here. This one man ( that with all his beliefs has yet volunteered for military service) has the blood of those lives lost on his hands. He will not have a happy ending if he costs the lives of American troops. I put this guy in the same category as Fred phelps.

OJ

April 8th, 2011
9:34 am

If he is such an idiot…the journalists are bigger idiots for feeding right into his hands and giving this moron his 10 minutes of fame. Who cares what this lunatic does? If the media yawned at him there would be no story.

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
9:37 am

I do believe that it’s “15 minutes” of fame, kind sir.

Karl Marx

April 8th, 2011
9:46 am

I wonder Mr. Combat veteran what category do you put the Muslims who brought down the world trade center or the Muslims who are burning churches and murdering Christians because it was rumored they desecrated Koran when they actual did no such thing. I supposed according to you none of those Muslims did anything to cause the lives of any American troops to be put is danger did they?

seabeau

April 8th, 2011
9:58 am

Thousands of Christians are murdered every year in Muslim countries. Please go to “The Voice of the Martyrs”, web site for stories. One of the worst offenders is Indonesia, where President Obama during a recent visit home stated that Indonesia was a diverse society where everyone lived in peace and love. President Obama is either a fool,or a liar!! Or both.

the watch dog

April 8th, 2011
10:15 am

Today is my birthday. I have been searching google and nothing much happened on that date. Eleanor Roosevelt went to a luncheon at the University club in Washington,D.C.
Maybe something will happen today, like government shutting down, that would be a bit much just for my birthday, could I not just get a card.

O'Really?

April 8th, 2011
10:18 am

Rarely do I agree with Bob Barr. This is one case where I do. For all of you who are screaming about the pastor’s right to do what he did, please note that Barr is not saying he had no “right.” He is saying is wasn’t right to do it. I agree. I have a right to light a match, but not when I have been warned their will be an explosion if I do. The idiot in Florida endangered other people. He did it without concern for his actions and without even now acknowledging the cause and effect here. Of course, the fanatics who killed innocent people over their in reaction are outragiously wrong and guilty. They should face punishment. But, so was the pastor’s disregard of consequences to innocent people just to make a statement and garner publicity.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
10:36 am

Bob is again correct here. The idiot, inbred, redneck, backwards, religious zealot, moron pastor Jones (did I miss anything you don’t like Ron???), had every right to prove again that he is an idiot. I like the match analogy, perfect in every way.

pat

April 8th, 2011
10:40 am

This sounds to me like making excuses for idiots who kill every time they get offended? So he burned a Koran, how does that give anybody an excuse to go around and kill people?
The pastor may be an idiot, but the people who kill other people are even bigger idiots. And anybody who makes excuses for those people who exchange being offended for human life are the biggest idiots of all.

Clear and Present Danger

April 8th, 2011
10:41 am

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a United States Supreme Court case based on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, holding that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action.

While Bob Barr states that “The First Amendment protects free speech and expression, even if it is unpopular. There is little question that Jones was within his rights to do what he did….”, I suggest that the action taken intended was directed to incite and likely to incite lawless action.

Marie

April 8th, 2011
10:44 am

There are Muslims all over the world. Why is the only protest and outrage over this Koran burning happening in Afghanistan? If burning the Koran is so OFFENSIVE to Muslims you would think there would be massive protests in America, Indonesia, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, across the Europe continent and on and on. However, this is protest/outrage is being hyped up in Afghanistan by radical Muslim clerics, Taliban members and Taliban sympathizers who simply want to use this burning as spark to ignite further violence against government reformation and the American/Nato troops there.

While I agree that burning a Koran is a pointless and stupid act. It is beyond time for us (Americans) to stop reacting to every protest and violent action radical Muslims because they are so-called offended by our freedom. Instead we need to instill fear in their hearts to MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND we will annihilate you if you attack us.

pat

April 8th, 2011
10:44 am

AND more people have been killed for the state and/ or because they were religious than for other reason. 300 million and counting.
Atheists have killed more people than any other demographic in history, by a huge margin. Atheists are the biggest murderers in history….whether they did it to spread atheism or not does not change the fact that their blood letting can be measure by millions of metric tons.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 8th, 2011
10:49 am

The pastor proves that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

Really

April 8th, 2011
10:50 am

I like how these idiot Muslims kill at the drop of a hat. Then on national TV Muslims saying that burning the bible is not the same as “burning the word of god” in their Koran. Gee did they forget that Mohammed wrote the Koran through what he called talking to god. How many churches have been burned down and replaced with a Mosque’s but god forbid you even draw a picture on Mohammed that is a reason to kill people. I am still trying to understand how a pedophile writes a book and call it the word of god and people follow that.

BRW

April 8th, 2011
10:51 am

We need to see some official documented numbers on that crock of crap pat…Do you include everyone that does not believe in jesus as an athiest?

jconservative

April 8th, 2011
11:04 am

Dear Reverend Jones,

Matthew 7: 1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (NKJV)

Luke 6: 37 “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.” (NKJV)

1 Cor 4: “3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God. (NKJV)

Best wishes to you and yours.

Ray Pugh

April 8th, 2011
11:06 am

“The Bible’s blind, the Torah’s deaf, the Koran is mute/ if you burned ‘em all together you’d get close to the truth.”

seabeau

April 8th, 2011
11:08 am

Marie!! I totally agree with you!! Drop Afghanistan now.

Marie

April 8th, 2011
11:16 am

@jconservative — Sorry my friend but you have a very limited understanding of the Bible and how it should be implied. Again I do not agree with this so-call Reverend’s burning of the Koran as it is pointless, stupid, and has no real value other than to draw attention to himself. However, as a Christian we have every right to JUDGE whether or not the tenents of anyone’s faith lines up with our biblical beliefs. And the Koran by any standards simply does not. The same Paul you quote from in I Corinthians is the same Paul who pointedly told the Galatians that if anyone (including himsef or even an angel from heaven) comes preaching another Gospel let him be accursed.

And according to the Bible I do curse the Koran and the entire Muslim faith because it does not declare Jesus Christ as the son of God. And it fails to recognize him as the redeemer for the sins of all mankind. And his own declaration that HE is the way, the truth and life.

However, as a Christian I pray for Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and other so-called Christian who do not strictly adhere to the tenents of the Christian faith that they’re eyes may become open to the truth of God’s word. And yes that includes radical Muslims who want to kill me and my fellow Americans.

It is quite foolish to use these scriptures as some example that we are never to make judgements on actions that are good and those that are evil. Or religious beliefs that are opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ. No, we are expected to make such judgments in order that we ourselves make a discernment between what is right and wrong and then seek to compel others to the rightness of our faith.

Interested observer

April 8th, 2011
11:20 am

“When American citizens burn the American flag, liberals say it is their “free speech” right. When “Chrisians” assemble at the funeral of a fallen soldier and hurl grievious insults at him and his family, liberals insist it is their “free speech” right. When an American burns a Koran, liberals go into spasams of protest and insist that should have not been done. It’s not too hard to see why. They are deathly afraid of Muslim violence abroad and are even more afraid it will come here and even get them. So, in effect, Muslim terrorists dictate to them what is and is not “free speech”.”

Carlosgvv: So, you’re calling Bob a liberal?

Gerald Hurlington

April 8th, 2011
11:23 am

If it’s true that the Nazis should have read the books they burned instead of burning them, (as Der Heetler hath commanded us to do), then Bob’s logic faulters as usual.

The reading of the Koran is the problem, because by reading it, and really understanding what it is saying this day, it nearly forces you to burn it. It’s a book of hate, prejudice, revenge and nonsense.

Of course when I read Barr’s blog with all the chicken little references and the big brother warnings and all the adages, I want to burn my smart phone and throw it down a well, but I don’t because I’m not a lunatic.

But I want to.

Here’s the facts about the KOran and the Old Testament. Christ said the the old testament was obsolete, and surely the Koran is too. He wasn’t around for the Koran, but I’m sure if the old testament is kaput, then so is anything written after it.

I’m sick to death of hacks who never understand nuthin’

Bryan G.

April 8th, 2011
11:24 am

I don’t necessarily support what the guy did, but, um, didn’t the Muslims who killed in retaliation kind of prove his point?

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
11:28 am

Try this as a mental exercise. Imagine Saudi Arabia declared the United States to be a dangerous country harboring a single man, some terrorist who they said attacked them. Imagine they invaded and took over the whole country, built giant bases everywhere, deposed the Government, installed one with obvious ties to their own and re-wrote the US constitution to something closer to their culture. Then for 10 years they “surge” more and more troops into the country to fight off the evil US Army who are now a guerrilla outfit doing hit-and-run operations where they can. They fly robot fighter drones over head day and night and drop bombs that kill US officers in hiding, as well as their families while they sleep in their beds. Their media are constantly linking your violent culture with your religion. Then some Imam goes on TV and takes a dump on a picture of Jesus.
How do you feel?
Would you understand it if some of your neighbors went out that day and killed an Arab?

carlosgvv

April 8th, 2011
11:31 am

Interested observer

In his case, it might be more accurate to call him a frightend conservative.

Jack

April 8th, 2011
11:34 am

The outrage should be at those that are outraged over this incident. The pastor knew what he was doing and he knew there’d be a media frenzy. No need to add to his notoriety.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

April 8th, 2011
11:35 am

To HELL with islam, to HELL with the pedophile mohammed, to HELL with muslims feelings, to HELL with how muslims view us. I will never respect islam , nor will i ever show islam, the pedophile mohammed, nor any individual muslim, any respect. I also will never demand they give any care or respect to me or anything I care about. Now that the ground rules are clear, we won’t have any problem unless they react violently.

jconservative

April 8th, 2011
11:35 am

Marie April 8th, 2011 11:16 am

I did not imply or express an opinion on anything. I merely quoted the Reverend Jones’ own holy book back to him. Guilt is in the eye of the beholder.

If you want to interpret that same book to match your beliefs, you are not alone. People tend to believe what they want to believe. That is why there are over 33,000 protestant denominations; over 33,000 interpretations of the same words.

So what do the following words mean?

Matthew 7: 1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (NKJV)

Are there 33,000 interpretations of those words? Are there ten? Five?

The point is that people can interpret the Bible, the Quran, and for that matter, Gone With The Wind, in any manner they chose.

People believe what they choose to believe. And if they do not have a reason for their belief, they will make up one.

So be it.

M

April 8th, 2011
11:36 am

Oh, pat…you could not be more wrong. You could try, but you would not be successful.

M

April 8th, 2011
11:39 am

This just in: ancient “magic” books all say some pretty twisted, primitive, and violent things…because the people who wrote them (yes, I said people) were twisted, primitive, and violent.

joe

April 8th, 2011
11:47 am

Seems Ray D is a bit warped LOL. If any Iman took a dump on a photo of Jesus, I’d laugh my behind off, take a video of it and upload it to You Tube so everyone else could laugh.. As a Christian, I wouldn’t care what he did…its just a photo, just as the Quran is a book made of paper and ink. And to your Saudi Arabia invasion fantasy, our military power sitting idle is enough to allow me to claim that would never happen. No nation in their right mind would ever attack us as we’d wipe them off the map in one day’s time. Nice try though…and to label us criminals for fighting the war on terror just shows how warped your claims are.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
11:47 am

@TrishaDishaWarEagle “we won’t have any problem unless they react violently.” Is that a joke? If I punched you twenty times in the face, would you react violently? The USA INVADED Afghanistan, because 19 Saudi Arabian’s attacked on 911. How would you react to having your country invaded? Your family killed? It is your complete ignorance and those like you that are turning the entire world into a cesspool of hatred and violence.

pat

April 8th, 2011
11:51 am

Prove me wrong M….

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
11:54 am

I use them both. In the outhouse.

Scott

April 8th, 2011
11:55 am

This idea that Muslims have always been a barbaric race is somewhat of a misconception. The extremist group of Muslims only came to being within the last century. Actually, Muslim nations were far more sophisticated than their contemporary European empire. They were far more intelligent, had advanced medical knowledge, the works. However, it is true that there are radicals among us now, but we shouldn’t be protesting that by burning a book, that does no good other than inciting anger. Similarly, we shouldn’t judge someone just because they are a Muslim.

pat

April 8th, 2011
11:56 am

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

I guess not only are athiests murders, but also titanicly stupid too. Or just plain ignorant history revisionists. Or wishful thinkers or just dumbasses who think that something comes from nothing with out a shed of evidence anywhere in the known universe.

Ray Desmond

April 8th, 2011
12:00 pm

@joe The war on terror serves the same purpose as the cold war. It allows the administration to pump an obscene amount of money into the pentagon which funnels that out into your economy and gives the arms industry a huge and constant shot in the arm. Money which would otherwise be wasted on stupid stuff like education or health care. It also gives the pretext for you to give up your freedoms on the pretext that you are under threat, and it makes politicians more popular and makes them look tough.
The invasion “fantasy” was not intended as a serious prediction of something that could happen. It was meant to try to get you to look at the world from the other perspective.

M

April 8th, 2011
12:09 pm

pat, are you really gonna play the “without a shred of evidence” card? Because if you do, that’s funny.

Also, can you get a website that has been updated in the last 15 years?

BULLSEYE

April 8th, 2011
12:10 pm

Athiests can’t hold a candel to the Lord’s wrath. Killed’em all but a couple.