Will Wisconsin become another France?

When I was in college back in the late sixties, as student riots and massive union strikes regularly crippled the French economy, I recall thinking it was great living here in the U.S., where a free-enterprise economy insulated us from such counter-productive and shameful displays of civic greed.  What a difference four decades of ever-expanding government can make.

Last year’s riots in Greece, and violent demonstrations in the U.K. – all birthed by the anger felt by students, teachers, union workers and others who have grown increasingly dependent on government subsidies and hand outs, and who now face modest cuts to those benefits – are being played out in America’s heartland.  Teachers and public-employee unions in the Badger State are angrily protesting Gov. Scott Walker’s modest austerity plan that would curtail public-sector union power in some areas, and require those workers to pay a small part of their health care benefit package and slightly increase their contribution to the very generous pension plans they enjoy.

You’d think by the response, the governor was forcing union members to surrender their first-born child to the state.

Yet, even more shameful than the vehement union reaction to these proposals – which includes publicly comparing Walker to Adolf Hitler – has been the cowardly reaction by Wisconsin’s Democratic state legislators (Walker is a Republican).  Rather than work with the new governor and Republican majorities in the legislature, the Democrats simply turned tail and ran to the neighboring state of Illinois; thereby denying the governor and their Republican colleagues the necessary majority to vote on budgetary matters.

Just how draconian are Walker’s proposed measures to help close Wisconsin’s burgeoning, $3.6 billion deficit?  In fact, not draconian at all.  The new governor’s first-ever budget proposal would require government workers to contribute a modest 5.8 percent of their pensions, and 12 percent of their health insurance benefits; both amounts below the national average. The proposal also would limit the ability of public-sector unions to collectively bargain; thereby helping to ensure taxpayers are not held hostage to unreasonable demands on their wallets in the future.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Walker is promising no layoffs or teacher furloughs in exchange for passage of these reforms. However, he has warned he will be forced to layoff some 6,000 state workers if action is not taken. The Democratic legislators who fled the state apparently would rather see public employees laid off, than support modest benefit contributions by employed state workers.

Public-employee unions, grown arrogant from decades of ever-more generous benefit packages, are fighting tooth and nail to hang onto their gains.  They exhibit no willingness to help shoulder any of the costs the taxpayers at-large have to pay in these rough economic times.

Walker is not alone in recognizing that steps must be taken to rein in such largesse.  Even California and New York are entertaining minor reforms to ease the burden that public-sector benefits have imposed on their budgets.

Whether the Wisconsin Governor and his legislative colleagues will prevail in this epic battle remains unclear; and the outcome will have significant ramifications in Ohio and other states that are heavily union-laden, as well as in the nation’s capitol.  But the battle now being waged in America’s heartland offers a focused glimpse into our country’s future.

Whether we become another France – a country long held hostage to powerful unions and debilitating social benefit programs – or begin the slow but vital climb back up the ladder from the depths of government entitlements and deficit-spending, may be determined right here, right now, in Madison, Wisconsin.

by- Bob Barr, The Barr Code

186 comments Add your comment

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm

“what dimwits like LA fail to understand ”

Sucks to be you, troglodyte.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

“I ‘call it’ PLUTOCRACY. ”

And I call you effing retarded.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:11 pm

“It’s just hard for me to believe that people actually ARE that stupid”

Oh, all you have to do is to look at the demographic of a Democrat supporter. Ex-felons, welfare recipients, baby mamas etc…

monty

February 23rd, 2011
2:13 pm

I saw one protester(iron worker, I believe) say that if the proposed budget goes into effect then the union workers would lose their ability to dictate what their wages would be”. Interesting, I always thought employers dictated what they would pay and you could take it or try finding a job elsewhere. Welcome to the real world Mr. Ironworker!

Joe the Plutocrat

February 23rd, 2011
2:14 pm

let’s be clear folks, “the rich” are already taxed. it’s the “wealthy” (corporations) that need to be taxed (and in the world of credits and debits, when a corporation gets a tax break or incentive not available to an individual, the state buget deficit increases (on paper). what you morons fail to accept is, labor is a commodity like anything else. when Egypt gets unstable, the price of crude oil goes up. when a hard freeze hits FL, the price of OJ goes up. there is an entire industry of commodities brokers who “play the market” like hedge fund managers or mutual fund managers “play the equities market”. the labor market is no different, so if the Governor of Wisconsin or NJ, or CA, or Indiana thought $50K per year, plus x% in pension, and y% in healthcare was a “good deal” the deal was signed into law. Walker and his ilk simply want to forego he “negotiating” and they speak of “shared sacrifices” but seem to think CBAs are the reason for deficits. anyone see Chris Christie on “Today”? he made a great point; states without CBA rights are suffering as well. this is a political play being orchestrated far beyond Madison, WI.

Jimmy62

February 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm

Monty: But don’t you realize that if teachers in Wisconsin can’t make up their own salaries, then it means we (the right wing) are literally enslaving every single worker in the United States?

At least that’s what I’m gathering from the pro-union folks commenting in this thread. The hyperbole is enthralling. It’s the end of the world, the apocalypse is coming because Wisconsin teachers will be at the mercy of their employers (just like all the private sector workers in the US)!

monty

February 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

Everyone in reality dictates what they will work for. You can choose or not choose to work for a particular wage. choice is yours. It’s really a power struggle with the unions who are worried(scared to death) that they will lose control over their members. Members will opt out of their dues and the unions won’t have the same political clout (money)they once had to support their guys. It’s just such a huge cash cow! Dang well better believe they will fight til the end. Might as well call the union bosses lobbyist.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:27 pm

“it’s the “wealthy” (corporations) that need to be taxed”

And they’ll pick up and leave like a lot of them already have. You didn’t take Econ 101 did you.

“what you morons fail to accept”

Nothing like a bed wetting left winger to call us all morons. LOL

No matter how many times you call us names, you will not change the fact that unions are going down.

“this is a political play being orchestrated far beyond Madison, WI.’

Like I said, unions are done.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm

“But don’t you realize that if teachers in Wisconsin can’t make up their own salaries, then it means we (the right wing) are literally enslaving every single worker in the United States?”

Guess that’s why Uncle Jesse Jackson is now involved.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:29 pm

“Members will opt out of their dues and the unions won’t have the same political clout (money)they once had to support their guys.”

That’s what it all comes down to. Donations. It has NOTHING to do with “equal rights/pay.” Union members make a lot of money and retire earlier than private citizens.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm

“when Egypt gets unstable, the price of crude oil goes up.”

Yeah, that’s because the people end up blowing up oil wells etc. Obozo banned off-shore drilling and here we are.

Jimmy62

February 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm

Yeah, this isn’t really about collective bargaining, it’s about collections. The unions like the fact that the way it is now, they get to use taxpayer money to collect dues from union members, straight from the paychecks. They worry that if they have to actually collect the money themselves, they won’t get nearly as much since many of those union members will realize just how much they spend in dues and how little benefit they get from it, and not volunteer to pay anymore. So in the end, this is about the union leadership getting upset that they will lose control and money. It’s got nothing to do with caring about the teachers, and especially has absolutely NOTHING to do with educating children. In fact, the actions taken by the union prove that educating children is the lowest priority they have.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

Joe the Plutocrat

Why should non-union workers give a rats a$$ about unions?

Without taxpayer dollars, unions don’t exist.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 23rd, 2011
2:40 pm

Monty, both YOU and the ironworker are wrong – the market dictates pay (see: labor is a commodity). this is why denying ANYONE “bargaining” rights, or the government “regulating” (defining) which forms of bargaining are OK (lobbying) and which are not (collective). this scenario should scare the sh*t out of ANY ‘freedom loving American’. and LA, look it up, slick. I am not saying plutocracy is good or bad, but it is how we roll these days. please explain the difference between lobbyist who advocate on behalf of “collective” groups such as dairy farmers, manufacturers, insurance companies, or any ’special interest’. does anyone know how the Wisconsin National Guard or State Police procures weapons and ammo? how about vehicles/ does the governor just stroll onto a used car lot and buy 10 Crown Victoria’s? does he walk into a sporting goods store and say; “I’ll take 300 Glocks and 3 million rounds of 9mm ammo.”? who feeds the lawmakers when they are in session? who pays for their lunches? who pays their travel expesnese when they go on ‘fact finding’ junkets?

The one guy

February 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm

“Collective bargaining is nothing more than demanding raises year in and year out.”

More to it than that

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm

“the market dictates pay”

Yeah, and the unions have driven companies to take jobs overseas etc.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:48 pm

So long illegals.

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LA

February 23rd, 2011
2:49 pm

Obama = one term president

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The one guy

February 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm

“Bottom line: Pay for your own damn retirement.”

Teachers union agreed to do so.

“Also, most teachers work longer than 8 hour days and take classes during the summer. So the 180 days a year point is moot.”

Please post a link to back up that claim.”

Not everything can be provided through a link. I am a teacher and I see staff enter at 6am and leave at 5 or 6 pm. Myself included. Classes are required in order to keep your teaching license. A professional development plan paper is required to keep your teaching license. All of these have to be shown with proof by classes. Teachers have their masters. Many take those classes in the summer.

“Kenosha, WI = 98,187

There are 83,222 in Rockdale, Co. Try again.”

You realize Kenosha is in Kenosha, Co. right?

“I posted a fact from a Wisconsin teachers website, ma’am.”

And I told you to quit using bloated facts that back up only your facts. You chose the 5 largest cities in Wisconsin. Even then the average is not 70k.

“When this passes everyone in Wisconsin should be expecting property tax raises.’

Got something to back that up?”

The bill is cutting school funding. Where do you think the schools will go to get the funding? The city. Where will the city most likely want the excess money to come from? Property taxes. This is just a guess on my part however.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm

“Teachers union agreed to do so.’

ALL of it. Not just some percentage. Every. Single. Dollar.

“Not everything can be provided through a link.”

No, but it would be nice to see where one came to the conclusion of his/her claim.

“You realize Kenosha is in Kenosha, Co. right?”

Yep, and you obviously missed my point.

“And I told you to quit using bloated facts that back up only your facts.’

LOL!!!!! I “bloated” the facts? How?

“You chose the 5 largest cities in Wisconsin. Even then the average is not 70k.”

Nope, try again. 70k was put beside Kenosha as the average pay.

“The bill is cutting school funding. ”

GOOD!!!!! Public schools are horrible.

“Where do you think the schools will go to get the funding? ”

Don’t care. My kid goes to private school and I pay for it out of my own pocket.

“Where will the city most likely want the excess money to come from? Property taxes. ”

Good luck with that.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

“I am a teacher and I see staff enter at 6am and leave at 5 or 6 pm. Myself included. Classes are required in order to keep your teaching license. A professional development plan paper is required to keep your teaching license. All of these have to be shown with proof by classes. Teachers have their masters. Many take those classes in the summer.”

1: Teachers get the summers off and have nice breaks to go along with it. Teachers also get holidays off.

2: Welcome to the real world. In the real world, people work longer than 8 hours.

3: I know plenty of teachers who are home by 5 everyday.

Bottom line: Unions are done.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm

monty, thank you. union bosses most certainly are lobbyists. plutocracy in action.

monty

February 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm

70-100 grand a year(a million or 2 in retirement) running a machine, pushing buttons, it’s a good gig if you can get it. Taxpayers are tired of footing the bill for those pensions though.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm

“Taxpayers are tired of footing the bill for those pensions though.”

Yep, and we’re also tired of them giving the taxpayer dollars to democrat thugs like Obama.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm

Joe the Plutocrat

Why should non-union workers give a rats a$$ about unions?

Joe the Plutocrat

February 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm

LA, and I know plenty of retired military officers who now have jobs as lobbyists or on the boards of defense contractors, who are home all day (except when they head to the bank to cash their ‘consulting’ fee check). I am not defending unions. they are part of the plutocracy. I am defending their right to “bargain” as any other “collective”. do you really think WI or any state’s budget woes is due to union pensions and benefits? the economy is in the tank and the government bean counters counted their revenue chickens before they hatched. georgia teachers are not “organized” and we have the lottery to fund education programs and we’re still in the red AND restructuring the Hope Scholarship (which was suppose to be sacrosanct. and georgia has been run by the GOP (governor’s mansion and statehouse) for the past two terms (and the current term). maybe we need CBAs?

monty

February 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm

Teaching is one of the few jobs you can stink at and not have to worry about losing your job. I know, my children have had several who if not for their union acquired collective bargaining rights would be out of a job. It’s almost impossible for a teacher to get fired. It’s a large part of the problem in our schools. Finding teachers who are interested in doing more than collecting their pay and counting down the days till vacation is hard to do. I know, I’m friends with a few.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm

“do you really think WI or any state’s budget woes is due to union pensions and benefits?”

Yes, as is Illinois, Indiana etc…

“georgia teachers are not “organized” and we have the lottery to fund education programs and we’re still in the red ‘

Yep, but GA isn’t in danger of going bankrupt like other states.

“I know plenty of retired military officers who now have jobs as lobbyists or on the boards of defense contractors”

Not sure what that has to do with unions.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
3:23 pm

“It’s almost impossible for a teacher to get fired.”

Only if you’re black. White teachers can get fired more easily.

“Finding teachers who are interested in doing more than collecting their pay and counting down the days till vacation is hard to do. ”

They mostly exist in private schools. Private schools are about only places where teachers care. That’s because they can actually teach and not have to deal with baby mama’s kids.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 23rd, 2011
3:34 pm

monty, this is a little off message, but I want you to Google two names: Scott Helveston and Pat Tilman. Helveston was a former SEAL who was killed witll working as a private contractor for Blackwater Security in Fallujah in April 2004. his estimated (taxpayer funded) salary was $200,000 – $250,000 per year. Tilman, as you may be aware was a former NFL star who walked away from a $9 million contract to enlist as a Ranger. he was KIA in Afganistan in May 2004. his salary as an enlisted Ranger was maybe $25,000. so let’s go easy on the “good gig if you can get it” stuff. again, I am not defending unions, merely the right of ANY American to bargain (or retain the services of a more experienced bargaining agent).

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JudyT

February 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm

The unions in Wisconsin are not refusing to pay an increase in their benefits and pension plans. They have agreed to do so. What they are refusing to do is to give up the right to bargain collectively for the good of their members. THere is a difference. If you are a union, you bargain wages, hours, and terms and conditions of employment. The wages part of this has been agreed to. THe Governor won’t leave the other bargaining subjects on the table.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
3:48 pm

“THe Governor won’t leave the other bargaining subjects on the table.”

Good.

Tychus Findlay

February 23rd, 2011
4:11 pm

The fact that the wealthy and big business are able to find loopholes in the tax code to reduce their liability to little or nothing is testament to the fact that we need to simplify the tax code and eliminate the IRS.

You want everyone to pay their fair share? Flat or consumption based taxes do just that.

The one guy

February 23rd, 2011
4:23 pm

“ALL of it. Not just some percentage. Every. Single. Dollar.”

They agreed to do all that was proposed in the bill. Fighting the collective bargaining.

“No, but it would be nice to see where one came to the conclusion of his/her claim.”

And I gave it to you.

“Yep, and you obviously missed my point.”

I guess so. You said Kenosha isn’t a large city. I provided you with a link that says its the 4th largest.

“LOL!!!!! I “bloated” the facts? How?”

You are using the 5 largest cities to back your claims that the average salary is 90k per yet….then you said 70k per year. Take the average salary of the state. http://teacherportal.com/salary/Wisconsin-teacher-salary $46,390

“GOOD!!!!! Public schools are horrible.”

Don’t confuse opinion with fact.

“Don’t care. My kid goes to private school and I pay for it out of my own pocket.”

I am glad you are happy with that decision and I hope your child gets a good education.

“Teachers get the summers off and have nice breaks to go along with it. Teachers also get holidays off.”

Yes, the perks of the job are nice. When you look for a job don’t you look for perks? Again, teachers do more then nothing in the summer (Classes/tutor). A lot of people get holidays off. The postal service had off for Presidents Day….damn them!

“Welcome to the real world. In the real world, people work longer than 8 hours.”

I am agreeing with you. I am also letting you know teachers work more than 4 hours. I have friends in the private sector that work only 8 hours. I also have friends that get off November-Beg. of March. Maybe we should start throwing a big stink because we pay too much towards their unemployment?

“I know plenty of teachers who are home by 5 everyday.”

I know plenty that aren’t.

“Bottom line: Unions are done.”

That might be the case.

Bottom line: Every job has its perks. Everyone had a choice when choosing a career. I do not understand all of the animosity towards teachers. I realize no one wants to be paying for pensions and health care. Understandable, but the argument that teachers don’t work hard is a bit overused. Of course there are some bad seeds. There is at every job.

By the way. My grandmother used to teach at a private school. She was an awful teacher.

Tychus Findlay

February 23rd, 2011
4:31 pm

It’s also hard to take the teacher’s unions seriously given the quality of the product produced. If the public schools were cranking out geniuses by the truckload, the Governor would probably be more concerned with potentially losing their educators.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
4:40 pm

“They agreed to do all that was proposed in the bill. ”

No they didn’t.

“And I gave it to you.”

No you didn’t.

“You are using the 5 largest cities to back your claims that the average salary is 90k per yet….then you said 70k per year.’

I already corrected the 90k claim. I used the cities provided in the link I posted.
It said that Kenosha was 70k.

“Don’t confuse opinion with fact.’

I look at the facts. Fact is, public schools are in disarray all over the country and the US isn’t in the top 20 in math and science when compared to the rest of the world.

“When you look for a job don’t you look for perks?”

Of course. But tax dollars aren’t spent on my perks.

“A lot of people get holidays off. The postal service had off for Presidents Day….damn them!”

Yep, but most private company employees only get the big holidays off.

“I do not understand all of the animosity towards teachers.”

It’s not the teachers, it’s the unions. It’s the union bosses in bed with the Democrat Party.

“My grandmother used to teach at a private school. She was an awful teacher.”

Not my problem.

Non-draft Dodger '66

February 23rd, 2011
4:43 pm

By now, everyone knows it had nothing to do with the budget. The pay and benefits cut were accepted by the state workers.

We should be thanking the WI governor, he has awakened the sleeping giant – organized labor, all working people, independent voters and most of all THE DEMOCRATS!

Thanks for motivating the base!

LA

February 23rd, 2011
4:56 pm

“We should be thanking the WI governor, he has awakened the sleeping giant – organized labor, all working people, independent voters and most of all THE DEMOCRATS!”

Independents left the Democrat Party. The unions are done.

The Original Get Real

February 23rd, 2011
5:02 pm

“We should be thanking the WI governor, he has awakened the sleeping giant – organized labor, all working people, independent voters and most of all THE DEMOCRATS!”

Not really, based on what is happening in WI public opinion is very much against the unions, the teachers that have walked out and especially the state democratic senators that left the state in the middle of the night. Unions will soon be history….Thank God

LA

February 23rd, 2011
5:11 pm

“based on what is happening in WI public opinion is very much against the unions’

Yep, likely voter poll came out and showed 48% in favor and 38% don’t favor.

See ya, unions! Good riddance.

Really??

February 23rd, 2011
5:39 pm

So the author is basing his premise that since the 60’s the size of government has grown in the US and that this is why workers are striking like those in France? hmmm. What about the Reagan Revolution in the 80’s that permanently shifted the political spectrum more towards the Right and convinced the average American that regulation was bad, unions were bad, and corporations and the free market was good?

The author thinks that there is more goverment today than in the 60s? Think again.

Tax Breaks to the rich and corporations-Yeah!

February 23rd, 2011
7:22 pm

It’s okay for the governer to come into office and give massive tax breaks to corporations and then tell everyday public employees we’re going to cut your benefits and by the way you can no longer negotiate your pay. What’s more he gives massive tax breaks to corporations and then says the State is in a budget crunch? What? If the State needs money why give massive tax breaks to corporations? Oh yeah, more fantasy driven by some crazy ideology that if you give corporations tax breaks that will equal jobs. If that were true we wouldn’t have had a recession and our economy would not be in shambles. Why don’t we use the same argument Wall Street used when it came to bonuses after the bailout money was given. We must give the bonuses or else we will lose our finest employees. Who is more important? Wall Street Executives or the teacher who’s teaching our children. We really have it backwords in this country. Years of brainwashing people that government is bad has come home to roost.

Tax Breaks to the rich and corporations-Yeah!

February 23rd, 2011
7:30 pm

These people who are against Unions know nothing about history or don’t care about history and simply believe anything a right wing pundit tells them. Don’t people think for themselves anymore? These same people don’t even have any negative encounters with Unions to justify their position. They simply rant on or spew out what they’ve been told to think. SAD very sad. Obviously our educational system needs help but instead of doing that we’ll simply throw the teachers under the bus. You pay for what you get!

LA

February 23rd, 2011
7:37 pm

“These people who are against Unions know nothing about history ”

Oh, I’d love to debate history with you, ma’am.

“Don’t people think for themselves anymore?”

Writes the gal who supports unions….. Contradict much?

“These same people don’t even have any negative encounters with Unions to justify their position. ”

GM

“They simply rant on or spew out what they’ve been told to think.”

Says the gal who supports the unions. LOL

“Obviously our educational system needs help but instead of doing that we’ll simply throw the teachers under the bus.”

There are plenty of non-union teachers who are out of work who would GLADLY take the jobs of greedy WI teachers.

“You pay for what you get!”

Pot, meet kettle.

Tax Breaks to the rich and corporations-Yeah!

February 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm

LA you didnt say anything except repeat what I said. Again our educational system is in trouble.

LA

February 23rd, 2011
7:41 pm

“Who is more important? Wall Street Executives or the teacher who’s teaching our children.

I’d take the Wall Street Exec any day over some whiny teachers union. Besides, America ranks low on the list of countries with the best education.

“It’s okay for the governer to come into office and give massive tax breaks to corporations’

Got something to back that up with?

“If the State needs money why give massive tax breaks to corporations?’

Because WI already lost a big corporation to Virginia. You didn’t take ECON 101 did you.

“Why don’t we use the same argument Wall Street used when it came to bonuses after the bailout money was given.”

Because it wasn’t taxpayer dollars that were given to them.

“Years of brainwashing people that government is bad has come home to roost.”

No, right now everyone is getting a lesson on why government is bad. SEE: B H Obama.

Hey, where are all the jobs Obozo promised in 08?

When is the stimulus money gonna create those “shovel ready jobs?”

LA

February 23rd, 2011
7:42 pm

“you didnt say anything except repeat what I said.’

Not my problem if you can’t read, ma’am.

“Again our educational system is in trouble.”

And you can thank lazy parents, lawyers and unions.

Felix

February 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm

Government jobs have never been the best paying jobs, but they have compensating benefits. Generally they offer more stability(less lay-offs), and good health coverage. And, many unions all over this country helped to get and keeps these benefits.

The “let them eat cake” attitude of those recently responsible for getting their chosen elected into office, are getting tax cuts and their opposition destroyed, in turn for their financial support of the last election.

Elections have consequences. And, the draconian hand of the newly elected will get them quickly pushed out of office.

Setting up a straw men to attack, instead of fairly negotiating with the state employees, is heavy handed, Mr. Barr. And, destroying collective bargaining, to clear the way to “run the board” is draconian.

Eric

February 23rd, 2011
9:07 pm

We’re hardly on the verge of a socialist state with the likes of Kyle Wingfield promoting school vouchers to subsidize private school tuition. Considering the low pay for teachers and most other government positions, an affiliation with a protective union and some stronger benefits is still reasonable compensation. I support the Wisconsin workers and am sorry the private sector doesn’t value leisure, job protections, and the like. To the private sector, it’s always about money, isn’t it!