Has Religious Right Again Killed Sunday Alcohol Sales?

It looks as if legislators under the Gold Dome are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on the issue of Sunday sales of alcohol.

For the last few years, then-Gov. Sonny Perdue, a teetotaler, had stood in the way of efforts to simply allow voters at the local level to decide if they wanted to be able to buy alcoholic beverages at grocery and convenience stores on Sunday. His argument seems to have been that if Georgians wanted to drink alcohol on Sunday, they should plan ahead and buy on Saturday. During Perdue’s eight years in office, Republican legislators apparently saw no mileage to take a risk in upsetting a key constituency, the Religious Right, only to have Perdue veto such a measure.

But that was then, and this is now. Georgia’s new governor, Nathan Deal, has stated publicly he is inclined sign legislation allowing voters at the local level to decide whether to allow Sunday sales.

Two pieces of legislation — HB 69 and SB 10 — that would provide for local control on this issue have cleared their respective committees with little opposition. They await placement on the calendars of both chambers to come to the floor for vote. Until a few days ago, it appeared as if Sunday-sales was on the fast track to being passed.

A small glint of freedom appeared on the horizon; a flickering light that now appears illusory.

The Religious Right once again is flexing its muscles; determined to limit the personal choice Georgians should be allowed to make without the meddling of government nannies. Their complaint is that allowing a grown man or woman in Georgia to purchase a six-pack of beer on Sunday constitutes an unaccceptable “encroachment of the Lord’s day.” The contradiction that many such religious advocates object strongly to other meddling by the government gives them no pause.

Of course, opposition to the Sunday-sales measure does not end with those trying to force their morality and religious beliefs on others. Liquor store owners also have voiced opposition to the legislation, because they do want the competition they would face from supermarkets and convenience stores, if the Sunday-sales measure became law. Thus, their active opposition to the legislation.

The scenario that seems to be playing out is that House and Senate members with strong connections to certain liquor store owners are using the opposition of the Religious Right, and the resulting specter of primary challengers, to intimidate colleagues into opposing SB 10. At least in the Senate, in the absence of strong legislative leadership, this strategy appears to be working.

The Georgia Chamber of Commerce, which supports Sunday sales, recently made clear it was going to “score” a vote on legislative scorecards; a common step using votes to measure support for business interests in the state. Last week, however, word leaked out that Senate leadership and ranking members had met with the Georgia Chamber of Commerce and asked them to step back.

Polls have shown repeatedly that Georgians want to decide this issue for themselves; with results ranging from 52 to 78 percent in favor of the measure. One specific poll conducted by the well-represented McLaughlin & Associates, for a lobbyist group supportive of Sunday sales, shows Republican voters in five Senate districts supportive of the legislation. In fact, voters in all five districts expressed the opinion they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who supported Sunday sales over one who did not.

No matter what the polls say or what special interests groups want, this is an issue of personal choice, whereby Georgians should be allowed to decide what is best for their communities. Despite early support in the state Senate; intense lobbying by the Religious Right, coupled with a vacuum of determined leadership, may have killed the measure this session.

If constituents mount a determined push at this time, however, there may still be a chance to brace up the leadership in the Senate and secure passage. I’m just not sure I’d urge advocates of Sunday sales to hold their breath.

– by Bob Barr, The Barr Code

235 comments Add your comment

Joshua Zambrano

February 16th, 2011
5:27 am

I see it the way I do abortion – I wouldn’t mind seeing more restrictions on alcohol sales, because the freedom sought harms others. Alcohol inhibits the sections of the brain responsible for decision making, yet alcohol sellers use the myth that one should “drink responsibly”. I expect to see their advertising restricted in the same way nicotine sales were. Many innocent people die each year because of alcohol just like they do abortion, due to the reckless actions of others, and the advertising of an addictive, profit-seeking industry. I wouldn’t mind seeing a law forcing taverns to keep drinkers from leaving, by force, until testing sober, because of how alcohol affects the brain so that responsible decisions seem impossible, and many die as a direct result.

Joshua Zambrano

February 16th, 2011
5:50 am

As for the Blue Laws, they may violate Jefferson’s doctrine of Separation of Church and State. As Thomas Jefferson put into legislation, the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom, essentially elaborating on the 1st amendment more fully:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Statute_of_Religious_Freedom

“Whereas, Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and therefore are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being Lord, both of body and mind yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do,

that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time;

Be it enacted by General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of Religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacities. And though we well know that this Assembly elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of Legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding Assemblies constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law; yet we are free to declare, and do declare that the rights hereby asserted, are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right.”

Therefore, I guess this comes down to whether not being able to purchase alcohol on Sunday could be considered “suffer[ing] on account of his religious opinions or belief” or could be explained as part of the greater public good. I’d recommend Jefferson’s writing there though as a good source to look at in determining whether the Blue Laws violate Separation of Church and State.

Tafir Square

February 16th, 2011
6:22 am

Keep your hands off my Medicaid but don’t you dare sell that bottle of liquor on Sunday!

Hypocrites, all of them. We should protest in the streets.

The Alchemist

February 16th, 2011
6:29 am

If I wanted to have a “Lord” I would move to England.

How can the Talibaptists continue to prevail on this subject in a time of sorely needed added sales and liquor taxes?

Good grief, Jesus turned water into wine so obviously approves.

Another example of how Australia got the”good” immigrants when they got the criminals instead of the puritans.

Joel Edge

February 16th, 2011
6:48 am

“this is an issue of personal choice”
No, it’s not. It’s a non-issue. Even in my drinking days, I had a enough sense to stock up. If you can’t get out of a alcohol induced stupor long enough to figure that out, you have bigger problems. Personally, I wish they would OK Sunday sales. It might thin out the herd a bit quicker.

Bubba

February 16th, 2011
6:56 am

Anyone who thinks the government should be able to prohibit people from buying a legal product on a particular day, for religious reasons, is not a conservative or a supporter of small government — even though I’m sure they all think they are. They’re actually closer to Obama in their political philosophy.

Thou shall not encroach

February 16th, 2011
7:07 am

Remember thou keep holy the Miller Time.

“Encroachment on the Lord’s Day”: Isn’t that a five yard penalty?

” I’m just not sure I’d urge advocates of Sunday sales to hold their breath.” Bravo.

Eric

February 16th, 2011
7:34 am

If the Lord’s Day is that important, why are all other businesses allowed to be open for profit 24/7? Also, what’s the harm in buying wine at a grocery store on Sunday? Didn’t Jesus pour wine at the wedding in Cana?

sean Yankee

February 16th, 2011
7:47 am

You Georgians deserve the government your getting.
Bad Schools, Bad Traffic and Beer on Sunday.

sean Yankee

February 16th, 2011
7:48 am

that was supposed to be NO beer on sunday

Eureka

February 16th, 2011
7:52 am

It’s so silly. The same people who constantly scream about getting government out of thier lives are the ones who are so intent on preserving the “sanctity” of Sunday. Give me a break. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Eureka

February 16th, 2011
7:54 am

All of us don’t deserve this crap, Sean. I didn’t vote for a single right winger and I didn’t vote for the indicted new governor, although on this one issue he seems to have at least a clue.

iRun

February 16th, 2011
8:16 am

“Another example of how Australia got the”good” immigrants when they got the criminals instead of the puritans.”

I am so stealing that. Thanks Alchy!

Pot Smoker

February 16th, 2011
8:18 am

Because of your Stupid War on Drugs, I can buy MY drug of choice SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.

For all of you drinkers, you should try to make Alcohol illegal. Then, it would be more plentiful, more cheaper, and the quality would improve.

Roekest

February 16th, 2011
8:25 am

Go back to Haiti.

Bluto

February 16th, 2011
8:26 am

For all you morons that think it’s a good idea to allow restaurants to sell on Sunday but not a store…really? Let’s go out and get drunk and drive home but for heavens sake don’t go to a store and buy a 12 pack and take it home. Oh remember to pick up that lottery ticket on the way back from the bar on Sunday… hypocrites!

the watchful eye

February 16th, 2011
8:31 am

Sunday mornin comin down, he did not where he was or where he was goin all he knew was everyone was dressed for church, then he knew, the bars would not be open, but somewhere
he knew it would be a good day, when the believers left the church, there always was a little more in his hat, nowhere to go and nothin to do

Eric

February 16th, 2011
8:33 am

@sean Yankee – “you’re”… not “your.” Your school was in what state?

Carlosgvv

February 16th, 2011
8:38 am

“trying to force their morality and religious beliefs on others”

Say, haven’t I heard that phrase before? Oh, now I know!! Radical Muslems do the same thing. Maybe some things in the Muslim world and Christian world aren’t so different after all.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 16th, 2011
8:39 am

I am a tea totaler. I believe alcohol is one of an exceedingly-short list of truly dangerous drugs – the others are cocaine and meth-amphetamine. My libertarian attitude is that those drugs ought to be completely legal for home consumption, and that public intoxication on those drugs ought to be severely punished. I could not care less if people kill themselves with dangerous drugs, but I object to placing the public at risk. As to the families of users, too bad that they have a loser in the home – life is hard.

justmy2cents

February 16th, 2011
8:40 am

I agree completely with Bluto!! I also find it amusing that bars cannot serve alcohol until 12:30….you know, so all those church folks are out and can make it to the bar in time for the first pour.

Fire Rodney Ho

February 16th, 2011
8:42 am

I still don’t understand how the argument of “encroachment on the Lord’s day” is allowed under the First Amendment. Isn’t it illegal to implement laws that respect the establishment of a certain religion? Keep your paws off my South Paw!

Paul

February 16th, 2011
8:58 am

Hard to accept the argument of the religious wingnuts, given that currently one can “BE” the container (at restaurants and such) on any Sunday yet cannot purchase one. I guess that drinking and driving home with it is OK with them.

Ezra

February 16th, 2011
9:01 am

It is not about the sale of alcohol on Sunday but rather the influence of special interest on our law makers. Any law maker submitting to a special interest group which denies a vote by the public should be recalled. We do not need that kind of law makers. We should find what groups are attempting to block the free act of voting and boycott every business or organization attached to that special interest group.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:04 am

This no alcohol on Sunday business is ridiculous. As a staunch conservative I don’t understand how some people think that by banning the sale of alcohol on Sundays will somehow make things better. Now, to those attacking the Baptists and calling them names, instead of doing that why don’t you call or write the governor/senators about it. I’d be willing to bet that they drink alcohol.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:04 am

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LA

February 16th, 2011
9:05 am

This no alcohol on Sunday business is ridiculous. As a staunch conservative I don’t understand how some people think that by banning the sale of alcohol on Sundays will somehow make things better. Now, to those attacking the Baptists and calling them names, instead of doing that why don’t you call or write the governor/senators about it. I’d be willing to bet that they drink alcohol.

Werd

Richard

February 16th, 2011
9:05 am

What kind of Marxist, Socialist, Communist liberal whack job would oppose allowing people to buy legal stuff?

Oh, yeah. They’re called Republicans.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:06 am

For some reason my comment won’t post. Anyway, just to some it up, the ban is ridiculous and does nothing to help anyone.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:06 am

Ok, why won’t my comments post?

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:06 am

The ban on alcohol is ridiculous.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:07 am

Bob

Get your AJC IT department to fix your comment section.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:07 am

The law about not selling alcohol is retarded.

Bwana

February 16th, 2011
9:07 am

This is the stupidest thing i’ve ever heard. We need to be afforded the opportunity to vote on this issue ourselves. Why is it okay for a man or woman to be able to go to a bar or restaurant on Sunday and get loaded and then drive home, but not be able to go the grocery store or liquor store to buy a six pack or a bottle and then come home and enjoy it in his or her home? This is a no brainer and those people who are against it, should stay home on Sundays and not buy any alcohol if they so desire.

CobbGOPer

February 16th, 2011
9:09 am

This “closed-door” or in other words super-secret GOP caucus meeting today would make a Communist proud. “Let’s make the decision in secret, so that when we vote it down, no one will know which one of us to blame.” Plausible deniability for everyone! And woe to the senator who drops the names of any of the opposing votes to the public, right? You can kiss your committee assignments goodbye?

If they kill this bill, I hope the Chamber of Commerce holds the entire Senate GOP Caucus to blame when they “scorecard” this issue for next years’ elections…

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:10 am

“Their complaint is that allowing a grown man or woman in Georgia to purchase a six-pack of beer on Sunday constitutes an unaccceptable “encroachment of the Lord’s day.”

Yeah, and that is ridiculous. If they were to totally live by that, they would not work at all on Sunday. No grass cutting, yard work etc…

Then again, people often take the Bible out of context.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:10 am

“Their complaint is that allowing a grown man or woman in Georgia to purchase a six-pack of beer on Sunday constitutes an unaccceptable “encroachment of the Lord’s day.” ”

Then again, people often take the Bible out of context.

Supreme Being

February 16th, 2011
9:11 am

More evidence of spineless lawmakers lacking the balls to do the right thing, because they put their political agenda to get re-elected ahead of populous opinion. Georgia will always be a laggard state with this type of leadership. Good on Nathan Deal for his willingness to let the people decide by voting on the measure.

Millertime

February 16th, 2011
9:12 am

C’mon guys. I’m drunk six days a week. At least give me one day to sober up before I have to get back on the streets!

ml

February 16th, 2011
9:15 am

if they feel so strongly about not drinking on the sabbath what happened to their faith telling them not to work on sunday? most cops are christians, and firefighters too. so are cops and firefighters disrespecting the lord by working on sunday. and should they not work and let the sinners have one of those win a contest and for the next 24 hours anything and as much as you can grab is yours?
and why are they judging others?
and what about do unto others as you would have them do unto you? like when a so-called christian is using religion as a smokescreen and diplomatic immunity for the bad things they do and their mistreatment of others and wants to tell someone else how to live. shouldn’t that person be able to go to that business with preferential treatment/tax shelter, excuse me, church, and be able to tell them to do things the way they want them done?
nowhere in the bible does it say – thou shalt act like a moron

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
9:15 am

To sum up an article I wrote a few years back on this: WWJD?

Well, when there was no alcohol available for purchase while at a wedding where they had run out, he provided approximately 96 cases of excellent tasting wine. John second chapter verses 1-11.

What ritual did he give us for remembering him: wine as his blood – a ritual we perform on Sunday Luke Chapter 22 verses 17 through 20

Wat did he think of religious blue laws? In Matthew, Mark and Luke there appears a story where Jesus is questioned by Pharisees as to his disciples plucking grain on the Sabbath. The Pharisees were concerned that it was against the law to work on the Sabbath. Jesus responded that it was OK for David to eat the showbread from the temple and it was OK for the disciples to pluck grain on the Sabbath, because they were hungry.

Thus the words and actions of Christ fly in the face of the assertions of these Christians. Do they find themselves morally superior to our savior by their words and actions on this?

Who are these people? I say the are modern day Pharisees who would join in on condemning Christ for dining with a tax collector and associating with Mary Magdalene based on their superior sense of virtue.

PS – Don’t come back with Leviticus quotes until you give up BBQ pork, shrimp cocktail and wearing different cloths at the same time.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
9:16 am

do the words “Muslim Brotherhood” sound familiar? but let’s be honest, this isn’t all about the “Christian brotherhood”. lobbyists representing the mom and pop retail liquor stores have a hand in this as well. only in “conservative” Georgia, would free market mavens use religion as a smoke screen to futher self-serving, competition-killing policy. maybe the Federal government will interceed and 22nd generation GA school children can study the second war fought over “states rights”?

TnGelding

February 16th, 2011
9:16 am

Let’s hope so. And why not kill them the other 6 days as well?

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
9:16 am

fixed my typo – should read: “22nd century GA school children”

willydoit?

February 16th, 2011
9:18 am

What’s the difference between a baptist and a methodist?

The methodist will speak to you at the liquor store!

GrammarKing

February 16th, 2011
9:20 am

It is distressing to me that we, the general population, continue to allow the tyranny of a few to impose upon the lives of the many. As many have noted before me, the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution protects the freedom of religion for all citizens – which, as I understand it, protects all religious affiliations, not just the Christian faith. It would seem to me that Georgia’s Blue Laws violate this clause, which T. Jefferson expounded on in his Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, “all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.” The most important clause in this passage comes near the end – (paraphrasing) a man’s freedom to practice his religion should in no way impose upon, impede or in any way prevent another man’s civil (public) life. To carry this a bit further – feel free to talk to me about your religion, but don’t try to force it on me.

And, the argument about stocking up the day before is specious at best. What if it’s Super Bowl Sunday and 8 more people decide to come over, but you only have beer for 3? What if Sunday is July 4th, and you got a little crazy Saturday night and finished all the beer in your house? If alcohol shouldn’t be sold on Sunday because it “encroaches upon the Lord’s Day”, why should anything else, under this reasoning, be sold? Back in Jesus’s day, people drank alcohol EVERY DAY because it was safer than drinking most water.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:24 am

“most cops are christians, and firefighters too. ‘

And you know this how?

“do the words “Muslim Brotherhood” sound familiar?’

Love it when left wingers compare Baptists to terrorists. Hey, when’s the last time a Baptist blew up a building etc?

really?

February 16th, 2011
9:24 am

churches can use WINE on sunday mornings for communion, but they don’t want us buying alcohol that same day?! HAHAHAHAHAHA! that’s why i do not attend church…hypocrisy.

Chief

February 16th, 2011
9:26 am

The funny thing is that Pot Smoker is right, although that is a discussion for another day.

This debate over Sunday alcohol sales and how our elected leaders are handling it is so far beyond ridiculous that I honestly can’t be bothered to care anymore. I just laugh when friends from other states make the usual “country bumpkin” comments about Georgia, because there is no way to defend against them.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:26 am

“churches can use WINE on sunday mornings for communion, but they don’t want us buying alcohol that same day?”

Do you not know the difference between Catholics and Baptists? Obviously not.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:27 am

“that’s why i do not attend church…hypocrisy.”

Hypocrisy is everywhere.

Get a life!

February 16th, 2011
9:28 am

The Lord does not give a dam whether you drink on Tuesday or Sunday as long as its in moderation! These idiot religious freaks that protest and deceive our legislators are as bad as the child molestor or rapist in my opinion.

I’m a religious person but I don’t judge others for what they are or what they want to do as long as it’s within the rule of law. Preventing individuals either religous or an atheist from buying a twelve pack of Bud or a 5th of Jack on Sunday is total hypocrisy period!

Typical political ‘behind the doors” threats from certain supposed political action groups like the far right wing freaks.

God will judge you one day for your self centerd control of your fellow man!

Sam

February 16th, 2011
9:29 am

Why don’t I plan ahead? Why don’t you stay out of my gawdamm business.

Every actions has a side effect and WE CALL THIS MUTHA REVENGE.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:30 am

“These idiot religious freaks that protest and deceive our legislators are as bad as the child molestor or rapist in my opinion. ‘

Wow, you’ve got some serious issues, dude.

“I’m a religious person but I don’t judge others”

Oh, I bet you do. In fact, you just did in your previous statement.

“God will judge you one day for your self centerd control of your fellow man!’

Everyone will be judged. Even you.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:32 am

Get a life! wrote:

I’m a religious person but I don’t judge others

THEN

These idiot religious freaks

Guess you don’t know what hypocrisy is.

Get a life!

February 16th, 2011
9:33 am

Hey LA get a life you freak! Have a nice day

The Truth

February 16th, 2011
9:34 am

I’m starting a group – Ultraconservative Christian Right Wingers for Alcohol Sales on Sunday.

People will not come to know the Truth more because alcohol is not sold on Sundays. What a foolish notion. As indicated by several of these comments, silly governmental restrictions only serve to make Christianity look petty and ridiculous.

Get over the minutiae, and focus on seeking a better understanding of the reality of God!

Tim

February 16th, 2011
9:34 am

Get a life!

Your last rant is filled with hypocritical rhetoric. In fact, you contradict yourself several times while saying that you are a religious person. To compare someone to a child molester is utterly stupid and immature and you need to grow up. Your “religion” is what turns people off. In fact, saying that you are religious and then turning around and calling people names is just stupid.

Dee

February 16th, 2011
9:35 am

Here is another side to this controversy that I have witnessed. Religious groups who support maintaining the ban are some of the same ones you will find in neighborhood convenience stores playing lottery games and smoking cigarettes after church on Sunday. What is the difference? Grown responsible adults should be able to go to the store on Sunday or any other day and by what they want. Acrimony from religious groups on this matter will continue but it should not impact goverment decisions in any form.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:36 am

“Hey LA get a life you freak! Have a nice day”

Wow, hypocrisy must be your middle name. I mean, to come on here, name call and then blab to the world that you are “religious” is hilarious. By the way, it’s funny that you tell me to get a life yet you’re on here spewing hate.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:37 am

“These idiot religious freaks”

and

“I’m a religious person’

So are you a religious freak or an idiot freak?

Pretty easy answer.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:38 am

Dee

Yep, you can find hypocrisy anywhere. “Get a life!” for example.

Red

February 16th, 2011
9:39 am

I love how people start digging up Jefferson on the separation issue. This is a guy who called for rights of man, all are created equally, and dignity of humanity while keeping darker skinned people on the farm and counting them as 3/5 of a human being – because you are 3/5th a person you don’t get rights and are considered property. We can’t forget him having relations with his property. Sally was counted with the furniture and cookware but worthy of relations and having children. Find someone else to quote.

If you want to call the Religious Right hypocrites for calling for less government but then countering with more on social issues, you might want to not use Jefferson as an example. You don’t use a hypocrite to attack hypocrisy.

GG

February 16th, 2011
9:41 am

So let’s get this straight – government should get out of our lives unless it applies to “encroaching on the Lord’s day,” e.g. making personal choices like buying a beer, going shopping on Sunday, or (gasp!) going to anything other than a relgious right-approved church. That’s called freedom. What the religious right is promoting is not freedom, it’s theocracy. Freedom for them, restriction based on their beliefs for everyone else…

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
9:44 am

LA, and I love it when intellectual children are allowed to use the internet. what do we always hear about the Muslim Brotherhood? it’s a fanatical “Islamofacist” group that wants to use Sharia law to shape/direct civil law. how is using “Christian law” to shape GA law any different? but as I noted, the politicians are merely pandering to the Christian right. I am of the opinion the “religious right” is being used by more sinister, sectarain forces (the private liquor store owners, who feel the will lose sales to ‘already open on Sunday’ convenience stores and grocery stores). it’s very simple, if you don’t want to buy liquor on Sundays, don’t buy liquor on Sundays. the law simply allows for the issue to be resolved at the local level (there are certainly any number of “dry” counties in GA and other states). one does not have to “blw up buildings” to be a terrorist.

gm

February 16th, 2011
9:45 am

Religious Right a bunch of hyporcrites, who on super bowl Sunday had beer and liqor having a ball, these same hypocrites go to Florida and buy booze on Sunday.
I have been saying this over and over when you idiots in Georgia vote Rep conservatives you vote againt your own interest, I guess this is Obama fault, what a bunch of back woods bible belt hypocrites in these state.

BW

February 16th, 2011
9:45 am

I think on this issue one can be against it on religious grounds or on political grounds but not both. I have a theory for the decline of self identification with religion: the injection of politics into religion or vice versa…they will fundamentally conflict with one another.

Carlosgvv

February 16th, 2011
9:45 am

LA

I should be used to the fact that so many “religious people” are so filled with such hypocrisy. As for Muslims and Christians, many Muslems seem to be where The Church was during The Spanish Inquisition. I wonder if they will ever learn to live and let live?

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
9:45 am

Don’t you hate it when a post just disappears

To my fellow Christians who are vehemently against sales, ask WDJD {‘did” for “would”}

First, he was against blue laws. In Matthew, Mark and Luke there appears a story where Jesus is questioned by Pharisees as to his disciples plucking grain on the Sabbath. The Pharisees were concerned that it was against the law to work on the Sabbath. Jesus responded that it was OK for David to eat the showbread from the temple and it was OK for the disciples to pluck grain on the Sabbath, because they were hungry.

Second, when wine was unavailable for a wedding where the available wine would run out and no more was available, he performed his first miracle by making between 51 and 80 cases of great tasting wine. Second Chapter of John, verses 1 through 11.

Third, the ritual of remembrance we perform on Sundays involves wine. For those denominations that use wine, should we not allow them to purchase same for this holy ritual? Luke Chapter 22 verses 17 through 20

To those who believe their morals are superior to those of Christ and would support such blue laws, you are the new Pharisees. I know Christians who will not enter an establishment that serves alcohol. Would they condemn Christ in the present day for dining with a tax collector or associating with Mary Magdalene?

PS before you start quoting Leviticus to me, give up pork BBQ, shrimp cocktails and garments with more than one cloth.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:48 am

“nd I love it when intellectual children are allowed to use the internet.”

Well, blame your babysitter for that one, little girl.

“it’s a fanatical “Islamofacist” group that wants to use Sharia law to shape/direct civil law.’

Yep, and they behead, stone, rape and destroy everyone who doesn’t follow their law.

“how is using “Christian law” to shape GA law any different?”

Huh, I had no idea “Christian law” shaped the entire state of GA. LIke I said, the drinking law is stupid.

“if you don’t want to buy liquor on Sundays, don’t buy liquor on Sundays. ‘

Yep, and if you could read, you’d know that I agree with you on that.

“one does not have to “blw up buildings” to be a terrorist.’

So how are these Baptists terrorizing you? Do you hide in your double wide with a shot gun in fear of the Baptists?

CharlieATL

February 16th, 2011
9:49 am

Embarrassingly, the Religious Reich continues to thrive in Georgia. Shame on our Senate leadership for the manner in which they are conducting themselves with this issue. And if the Chamber backs down from shining light on this cowardly approach, one would have to question that organization’s legitimate interest in promoting business in Georgia.
Religious ‘organizations’ in Georgia that attempt for force their faith-based values upon others through threats of non-voter support for elected officials in future elections engage in despicable behavior. I truly regret our State and Federal governments’ practice of allowing significant tax breaks to ‘recognized’ religious endeavors, and businesses’ eleemosynary discounts and accommodations; it just encourages this type of behavior.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:49 am

“As for Muslims and Christians, many Muslems seem to be where The Church was during The Spanish Inquisition. ‘

The only problem in your statement is the fact that those “Christians” were all Catholic. Please try not to lump all Christians in one group. I do see your point though.

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
9:49 am

Don’t you hate it when a post just disappears from view. Third try.

To my fellow Christians who are vehemently against sales, ask WDJD {‘did” for “would”}

First, he was against blue laws. In Matthew, Mark and Luke there appears a story where Jesus is questioned by Pharisees as to his disciples plucking grain on the Sabbath. The Pharisees were concerned that it was against the law to work on the Sabbath. Jesus responded that it was OK for David to eat the showbread from the temple and it was OK for the disciples to pluck grain on the Sabbath, because they were hungry.

Second, when wine was unavailable for a wedding where the available wine would run out and no more was available, he performed his first miracle by making between 51 and 80 cases of great tasting wine. Second Chapter of John, verses 1 through 11.

Third, the ritual of remembrance we perform on Sundays involves wine. For those denominations that use wine, should we not allow them to purchase same for this holy ritual? Luke Chapter 22 verses 17 through 20

To those who believe their morals are superior to those of Christ and would support such blue laws, you are the new Pharisees. I know Christians who will not enter an establishment that serves alcohol. Would they condemn Christ in the present day for dining with a tax collector or associating with Mary Magdalene?

PS before you start quoting Leviticus to me, give up pork BBQ, shrimp cocktails and garments with more than one cloth.

LA

February 16th, 2011
9:51 am

“I guess this is Obama fault, what a bunch of back woods bible belt hypocrites in these state’

By all means, move elsewhere. Heck, move to Illinois where everything is corrupt and Democrat controlled. You can enjoy high crime, high taxes and buy alcohol on Sunday to drown out the thought of having Rahm Emanuel as your new mayor.

Are we in Communist China?

February 16th, 2011
9:51 am

I am so happy I can buy a gun on Sundays but I can’t pick up a 6-pack to watch a football game. Why are people governing by their religious moral and not their better judgement. I thought I lived in an America where MY religious view point was respected. Just because you feel strongly that buying alcohol would take away from people’s relationship with the Lord, but who are you to say all of have the same Lord. Should we make it illegal for everyone to Work or use a Car on the Sabbath? How about we force people to go to Church.

Correct me if I am wrong but this “Christian Nation” was founded because other Christians wouldn’t let the original settlers practice their version of the religion. How about you take your bible and beat against your head and we will take of beer cans and crush them against ours.

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
9:57 am

LA – at the time all Christians were Catholic.

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
9:58 am

Fourth try. W does this not post?

To my fellow Christians who are vehemently against sales, ask WDJD {‘did” for “would”}

First, he was against blue laws. In Matthew, Mark and Luke there appears a story where Jesus is questioned by Pharisees as to his disciples plucking grain on the Sabbath. The Pharisees were concerned that it was against the law to work on the Sabbath. Jesus responded that it was OK for David to eat the showbread from the temple and it was OK for the disciples to pluck grain on the Sabbath, because they were hungry.

Second, when wine was unavailable for a wedding where the available wine would run out and no more was available, he performed his first miracle by making between 51 and 80 cases of great tasting wine. Second Chapter of John, verses 1 through 11.

Third, the ritual of remembrance we perform on Sundays involves wine. For those denominations that use wine, should we not allow them to purchase same for this holy ritual? Luke Chapter 22 verses 17 through 20

To those who believe their morals are superior to those of Christ and would support such blue laws, you are the new Pharisees. I know Christians who will not enter an establishment that serves alcohol. Would they condemn Christ in the present day for dining with a tax collector or associating with Mary Magdalene?

PS before you start quoting Leviticus to me, give up pork BBQ, shrimp cocktails and garments with more than one cloth.

Jimmy62

February 16th, 2011
9:58 am

Of course I agree. I do wish we could find a party that has some fiscal sanity, and at the same time makes a real commitment to personal freedom and liberty. The local GOP, unfortunately, does not fit that bill, though they are getting better. The Democrats, of course, are all for freedom and liberty, as long as you do what they tell you to do and think how they want you to think.

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
9:59 am

To my fellow Christians who are vehemently against sales, ask WDJD {‘did” for “would”}

First, he was against blue laws. In Matthew, Mark and Luke there appears a story where Jesus is questioned by Pharisees as to his disciples plucking grain on the Sabbath. The Pharisees were concerned that it was against the law to work on the Sabbath. Jesus responded that it was OK for David to eat the showbread from the temple and it was OK for the disciples to pluck grain on the Sabbath, because they were hungry.

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
9:59 am

Second, when wine was unavailable for a wedding where the available wine would run out and no more was available, he performed his first miracle by making between 51 and 80 cases of great tasting wine. Second Chapter of John, verses 1 through 11.

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
10:00 am

Third, the ritual of remembrance we perform on Sundays involves wine. For those denominations that use wine, should we not allow them to purchase same for this holy ritual? Luke Chapter 22 verses 17 through 20

To those who believe their morals are superior to those of Christ and would support such blue laws, you are the new Pharisees. I know Christians who will not enter an establishment that serves alcohol. Would they condemn Christ in the present day for dining with a tax collector or associating with Mary Magdalene?

Dan

February 16th, 2011
10:01 am

Lets put convenient assumptions aside and discuss reality, it is about government control of a highly lucrative taxable commodity. Cleopatra started it a couple thousand years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States_by_state
based on wikepedia there is all manner of restritions in virtually all states. Religion and safety are used by politicians to convince the masses to allow the control but they are not the driving factors. I would love to see sales on Sunday, but as with any other problem one has to correctly identify the issue in order to solve it.
A few other misleading assumptions on the argument
One Sunday sales will not increase tax revenue materially, it will simply shift the day it is collected. (for the most part)
That fact also means, sunday sales will hurt the little guy, who will sell the same amount but have to be open 7 days ie higher overhead per dollar of sale
It will help the grocery stores who are open anyway, they will get most of any small increase in sales without the extra overhead

furious_styles

February 16th, 2011
10:03 am

What a bunch of Candy-ASSes under the gold dome.

luangtom

February 16th, 2011
10:05 am

Now, when are these zealots going to subscribe to what they preach? They do not advocate government coming to their arena of religion, but are demanding to control government to cow-tow to their whims on such trivial matters. Let the people decide in local voting. That clearly reflects the mores and desires of the citizens.

Next, if these zealots truly follow the word of their Bibles, they would not be demanding no sales on Sundays. The day of rest, as the Bible says, is the seventh day. The seventh day is Saturday………

Are we in Communist China?

February 16th, 2011
10:08 am

Dan thanks for actually having a rational discussion on the topic. I think you hit it nail on the head.

In PA you can only buy 6-packs (2 at a time) on Sunday’s from grocery store, after 12pm. I think under rational it would work out and then our stores might be able to cut us a better deal on other products with the increase in revenue that Sunday Sales would produce.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
10:09 am

LA, please show me where I used the word “entire”. let me save you the trouble, I never used the word, so your long-winded, infantile response is “inadmissible”. and most of the folks on this bog are chronological AND intellectual grown-ups. I referred to you as an “intellectual child” because you think and act like a child. you spout pointless, contrarian rubish for no apparently reason but your narcissistic need for attention (like when a pre-schooler ‘acts out’ for attention). referring to me as a “little girl” is equally childish. do you think I believe intellect is tied to gender? did you ever consider my given name might be Josephine? sounds like someone is cranky because he hasn’t had a nap (or mommy didn’t love him enough).

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:11 am

Atlanta Native

Great points, all! I remember laughing at someone who said that the wine was really grape juice and that wine back then was alcohol free.

Here is a contradiction that I have seen. I have been to churches where the pastor was overweight and yet never talked about obesity or gluttony yet it’s a sin. So, are we to ban food because a person will eat too much and get fat?

gm

February 16th, 2011
10:11 am

LA: You can enjoy high crime, high taxes and buy alcohol on Sunday to drown out the thought of having Rahm Emanuel as your new mayor:
So, I guess every state that sells beer on Sunday have high crime? This is why the Christian right has no credibility , yet they run to Falcon, Hawks game on Sunday and booze it up.
We really vaule the christian right the same people that oppose civil rights, women rights and had the bible in one hand and lynching on the other.
Only 2 states do not sell beer on Sunday, continue to vote your good old boy hyporcrites rep in office and be considered the back wood of the south.

luangtom

February 16th, 2011
10:13 am

What hypocrisy, to demand separation of church and state and now to meddle in affairs of government. It is laughable to read of the Right demanding “God’s day” is respected. If this is so, then demand that no businesses work at all on “God’s day”. Close the malls, it is God’s day. Close the cinemas, it is God’s day. Stay home and cook for your families. Never gonna happen is it?

And, to those that subscribe to the Bible when they can use it for their benefit, just what is the “day of rest”? Is it not written that the seventh day is the “day of rest”? Well, on my calendar that is Saturday………

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
10:14 am

LA – yes, and they kept the grape juice in the ‘fridge!

realitybytes

February 16th, 2011
10:15 am

Did any of you actually read the article?!? It clearly states that a large portion of the pressure is coming from the liquor store lobby….not the religious right. Put the blame where it needs to be. These are old laws from a different time. I think you should be able to buy alcohol any day of the week. But as the laws are what they are, plan ahead and get it on Saturday. You don’t like the law? Pressure your congressman to change it!

Are we in Communist China?

February 16th, 2011
10:17 am

Its also ok in this city, and a lot of other places, for you to go to a restaurant and get hammered only to drive home but I cannot get a six pack and drink in the safety of my own house…

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:17 am

“please show me where I used the word “entire”.”

When you wrote GA LAW. The law impacts the entire state.

“so your long-winded, infantile response is “inadmissible”. ‘

Insult fail, ma’am.

“and most of the folks on this bog are chronological AND intellectual grown-ups.’

And you can prove that, how? How does one prove, on a blog that he/she is an intellectual?

“I referred to you as an “intellectual child” because you think and act like a child. you spout pointless, contrarian rubish for no apparently reason but your narcissistic need for attention ”

I ran circles around you, ma’am. You can pretend to be an intellect all you want, but as I see it, you’re nothing more than menopausal woman in need of a bottle of Midol.

“referring to me as a “little girl” is equally childish.’

It’s true.

“do you think I believe intellect is tied to gender?”

Ma’am, I couldn’t care less what you think about gender and intellect. I call em like I see em and nothing you’ve ranted about shows me that you have an IQ above that of a carrot.

“did you ever consider my given name might be Josephine?’

No, I see you more as a Crystal or Shintequa.

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:21 am

“So, I guess every state that sells beer on Sunday have high crime?’

Nope, your words not mine. All I was saying was that if you want to live in a heavily Democrat controlled environment, move to Illinois.

“his is why the Christian right has no credibility”

Maybe with you, but they do wield great power.

“We really vaule the christian right the same people that oppose civil rights, women rights and had the bible in one hand and lynching on the other.’

Ah, so now the right is a bunch of klanners. Well, since we’re playing this game I guess I can refer to you as a Marxist baby killer. Like that?

“Only 2 states do not sell beer on Sunday, continue to vote your good old boy hyporcrites rep in office and be considered the back wood of the south.”

ARE YOU STUPID?????? Seriously, are you stupid? Geez, you obviously can’t read or you’d have read where I think that bill is RETARDED.

Republican Atheist

February 16th, 2011
10:21 am

I despise and oppose Hussein Obama as much as any clear thinking conservative in the USA, but the religious right nutters are just as vile ideologically as he is. Bible bashers are control freak simpletons, always looking to impose their backward pagan saviour god Osiris-Dionysus Jesus myth dogma on more sophisticated and better educated folks. The irony is I don’t even drink alcohol, but the symbolism of this religious moral fascism shows us all just how pathetic these smug churchy lemmings are. Believe in whatevr you want, but do NOT seek to impose your superstitions on others. The religious right demand freedom of religion, perfectly reasonable – provided its done privately, behind consenting closed doors… the smartest folks of all though demand freedom FROM religion.

Joe the Plutocrap

February 16th, 2011
10:23 am

Joe the Plutocrat

If you are an intellectual, please tell us all where you graduated from. Which Ivy League school did you get your degree in pottery making?

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
10:23 am

again folks, this has nothing (ultimately) to do with religion or Christianity. it has to do with weak, shallow, insecure “businessmen” who do not have the savvy, fortitude and gumption to run independent liquor stores. it is a classic example of money (lobbyists) providing access to legislation, which in turn provides a competitive advantage for the few at the constitutional (legal) expense of the rest. any of you folks play chess? the “Christian right” is not playing the game, the Christian right is merely a piece (why don’t we say “the bishop”?). the Christian right has certain skills/assets, which favor the persons moving the pieces. basically, the independent liquor store lobby is about to say ‘checkmate’. it’s not some wild, crazy conspiracy. it is merely a case of an organized group furthering its very specific interest. sprinkling Christianity simply appeals to the dim-witted, backward a** god-fearing fools who inhabit this state. why doesn’t the state ban lotto sales on Sunday?

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:24 am

Republican Atheist

Sounds like you have a lot of hatred for Christians. Hope you don’t end up pulling a gun in church and taking anyone out.

Red

February 16th, 2011
10:26 am

We regulate all sorts of things. To those espousing some ‘libertarian’ view, should children be allowed to drink a legal beverage? Smoke a cigarette? Read an adult mag? There are regulated items in a capitalist society. Unless you just figure everything for everyone. Guns for kids, drugs, etc.

It’s amazing when people get on a blog and start saying what standard we should live by how this standard when applied across the board suddenly becomes “well in THOSE cases we should regulate”. Liberals on here taking swipes at the religious right have no business at all whining about blue laws either. As much regulation they’ve placed on society, this is miniscule in comparison.

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:26 am

“sprinkling Christianity simply appeals to the dim-witted, backward a** god-fearing fools who inhabit this state. ‘

Wow, what profound intellectual thought. I love how you intelligently used “backward a** god-fearing fools.” Your college professors must have been astounded by that thinking. Wow, you make Al Gore look like a simpleton.

Go sell stupid somewhere else, low IQ.

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:28 am

“it’s not some wild, crazy conspiracy.’

Unless you can prove it, which you can’t, it’s nothing but a conspiracy theory. Oh, and by the way, if you are an “intellect” like you claim, why do you not know when to capitalize the first letter at the beginning of your sentences?

Did they not teach you punctuation/grammar at “Harvard?” LOL

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:29 am

“Liberals on here taking swipes at the religious right have no business at all whining about blue laws either.’

Yep, especially when these bozo’s want to force government mandated health care down everyone’s throat.

Liberals = do as I say, not as I do.

Carlosgvv

February 16th, 2011
10:32 am

L

LA

I think all Christians were Catholic then. When did Luther revolt? Anyway, you’re right in that not all Christians think alike by any means. Not all Muslems think alike either, but the crazy ones will do anything to force them all to their way of thinking.

a

TinaTeach

February 16th, 2011
10:39 am

My ONLY issue with the ban on Sunday sales is the religious excuse. I’m sorry you don’t want me to buy liquor on the Lord’s day because it sullys it?

Well pardon me but not everyone believes Sunday is the Lord’s day. For us Jews it’s Saturday. So maybe we could put up a law that bans the selling of non-kosher food (like BACON) on Saturdays…. what did you say? That’s not fair? No pork for breakfast? Tough Cookies, we don’t want you dirtying the Lord’s day.

And how about Muslims? For them, the Lord’s day is Friday. Sooooo, no pork or non-blessed meats on Friday either…. what? You were gonna buy a ham roast for dinner tonight? Too bad….

You see how stupid that sounds? Christians want to put up an anti-sharia (sp?) law similair to Oklahoma’s but want beer banned on Sundays? Can the religious right look even more like a bunch of hypocrits?

As for the little liquor stores, they can stay closed and let the super markets do their thing. It would barely hurt them and super markets don’t stock the hard stuff anyway!

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:39 am

Carlosgvv

Totally agree with you. Nope, not all Muslims are the same but the Koran does state, and Muslims agree with this, that Israel is the enemy and that ALL infidels should either convert or die.

Fotini

February 16th, 2011
10:42 am

What makes no sense about this law is that people can still drink in a bar or restaurant and then DRIVE HOME on a Sunday. It would be much safer to go to a store and take alcohol home to drink. Nothing about the anti-Sunday-sales position makes any sense! I mean, do these people hear themselves talking? It’s crazy. Georgia needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century… heck, the 20th century, for that matter.

TinaTeach

February 16th, 2011
10:44 am

Well my comment got eaten or is in limbo-

The short summary- If Christians feel that buying liquor on the Lord’s day is to sully it then no buying of non-kosher or halil (non-blessed) meats on Friday or Saturday because that would sully what Muslims and Jews (respectively) think of as the Lord’s day. Sorry, no bacon or ham with your Dennys Grand Slam!

AlJerryza L'Uquire-uday

February 16th, 2011
10:45 am

Alluha Akbar!

Republican Atheist

February 16th, 2011
10:46 am

LA . Your intellectual dishonesty is as repugnant and as amusing as any liberals’. As for your pathetic, cowardly snidey about “taking a gun to church”. I have never been inside in a church whilst here in the USA. I value my CC permit, and anyway it is not for me. or any other righteous atheist to emulate smug churchy oppression by imposing my will on them in their places of collective, tithed delusion.

And its not “hatred” … its forthright, unremitting contempt. Based upon close to 2000 years of sexist, racist murderous oppression and the mental enslavement, not forgetting the literal enslavement just a few hundred years ago, of all who have been victims of grasping guilt peddling venal clergy. Hatred is both extremely foolish and corrosive to all who embrace it. I just enjoy gently pillorying those who have been duped by the Catholic imposed version – and its various (later) strands – of the Osiris-Dionysus saviour cult.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
10:48 am

Nothing is Free, I mean LA. don’t tell me what I imply when I post something.

ozz

February 16th, 2011
10:48 am

I currently live in Florida (previously in Georgia) & I was under the impression that there are NO package sales in Georgia on Sunday. So I don’t understand the comment “Liquor store owners also have voiced opposition to the legislation, because they do want the competition they would face from supermarkets and convenience stores, if the Sunday-sales measure became law”.
Saying they don’t want the competition implies that they (the liquor stores) ARE already open on Sundays.

ls1z28chris

February 16th, 2011
10:50 am

Oh look, people fighting over left and right in the comments.

There isn’t much difference between the left and right in this country. Both sides want to restrict your liberty. One does it because they have an ancient book of myths and superstition that they think gives them divine mandate to tell you what to do. The other does it because they think they know how to live your life better than you.

I don’t care what the justification. If you’re infringing my liberties, you’re all in the same category to me. You’re all statist zombies.

MC

February 16th, 2011
10:51 am

And still there are those that wonder why Georgia has become the laughing stock of the entire nation.

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:54 am

“Nothing is Free, I mean LA. don’t tell me what I imply when I post something.”

Wow, paranoid AND delusional. Nice combo there, Gump. Oh, and I can and will post anything as a rebuttal to the garbage you spew.

Joe

February 16th, 2011
10:56 am

Let’s see now we have the Christian Coalition and the Taliban philosophically aligned.

What if

February 16th, 2011
10:57 am

Neither our local Republicans (not to be confused with ‘conservatives’) nor our do-it-my-way-or-else “christians” (small ‘c’ intended) want anything to do with democracy. Heaven forfend should the citizens of a supposed democracy actually be allowed to choose for themselves.
Someone above has noted, however, that such should include AS LONG AS IT HARMS NO OTHERS. I agree. It’s why I think motorcycle riders should wear helmets – it’s MY wallet that gets hit when they end up a vegetable for life. That same argument, however, should be used to SUPPORT Sunday sales – NOW, as it stands, one has to go to a bar on Sunday if they can’t plan ahead, get soused, and then go out ON THE ROAD to go kill some innocent on their way home. If they could buy their booze at the store, they could go get snookered at home.

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:58 am

“Your intellectual dishonesty is as repugnant and as amusing as any liberals’. As for your pathetic, cowardly snidey about “taking a gun to church”. ”

Wow, now we have TWO gals who are pretending to be highly intelligent. Who knew? Now, yes, when I read your comments, I came to the sarcastic conclusion that you are an angry individual who has a hateful view of Christianity.

“churchy oppression by imposing my will on them in their places of collective, tithed delusion. ”

Talk about “over the top” analysis.

“Based upon close to 2000 years of sexist, racist murderous oppression and the mental enslavement, not forgetting the literal enslavement just a few hundred years ago, of all who have been victims of grasping guilt peddling venal clergy. ‘

You don’t know your history, do you. Who sold their own people into slavery? Africa. What flag flew during the slave trade movement? British

You were saying?

“I just enjoy gently pillorying those who have been duped by the Catholic imposed version ‘

So you also don’t even understand that not all Christians aren’t Catholic.

MC

February 16th, 2011
10:59 am

Thank God for Arizona! Otherwise Georgia would be the most backward state in this nation bar none. Those low SAT scores must really mean something after all.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:00 am

“And still there are those that wonder why Georgia has become the laughing stock of the entire nation.’

Mmmmm, GA isnt’ going bankrupt anytime soon. Illinois, Michigan and California are. If you want to laugh, laugh at them.

Georgia, along with other southern states, is attracting all kinds of businesses to move here. See: Kia, VW, Mercedes, Honda, BMW etc….

Oh, and Nissan moved their North American headquarters to Nashville. You know, AWAY from California.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:01 am

“Thank God for Arizona!’

Yep, thanks to them, many other states are adopting their illegal immigration policies.

“Those low SAT scores must really mean something after all.”

SAT scores don’t have anything to do with IQ, ma’am.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
11:03 am

LA, a few more comments ebfore I finished with you. I find it and amusing example of your (lack of) intellectial maturity for you to tell me what I “imply” when I post something, but you then use the (equally infantile) ‘your words not mine’ response to other bloggers. in addition, we are all impressed by your self-proclaimed ability to “run circles” around the rest of us. and finally, where did I link “intellect” with the Ivy League? as we all know, your patron Saint George W. Bush earned* an undergrad degree at Yale and a MBA at Harvard. *perhaps “received” is a better word. we also know, both Clintons have law degrees from Yale, and the current POTUS earned his BA at Columbia before graduating from Harvard Law. ditto the Kenndy’s (Harvard and Brown). no “ma’am” I do not equate the Ivy League with intellect. but don’t trust me. go to amconmag.com (the American Conservative online) and read Patrick Buchanan’s wonderful piece on “W’s” intellect (specifically as it relates to his take in U.S. History). and finally, there is no “intellectual value” in running circles around me. to be honest, it is equally childish – stand still and confront me face-to-face, with facts. as I see it, it’s actually something of an OCD behavior – maybe it’s time for your meds (liquor included).

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:04 am

“It’s why I think motorcycle riders should wear helmets”

Talk about hypocrisy. You just chastised Christians for wanting to impose their views and you just did the exact same thing. LOL

“it’s MY wallet that gets hit when they end up a vegetable for life. ‘

Wow, talk about asinine.

Well, since we’re playing that game. It’s because of your Obama vote that unemployment is 10%.

luangtom

February 16th, 2011
11:05 am

It is amazing that in this supposedly progressive age that we still have those that wish to impose their ideals upon the rest of society. The Right is intending to make their demands known again and in the same breath tell us to keep government out of religion. What gives? If they truly believe in what they are saying, why are they not demanding closure of the malls on Sundays? Why not demand that restaurants close on Sundays and tell people to stay at home with their families? Afterall, it is “God’s day” and no one should break the Sabboth.

If these so-called experts on Biblical matters truly followed what is written, they would question themselves in demanding that Sundays have no liquour sales. Why? Well, it is written that the seventh day is the day of rest as proclaimed by God. Saturday is the seventh day on my calendar…………

kevin

February 16th, 2011
11:06 am

It bothers me that loads of people choose to go to church each Sunday and worship a sky fairy, but I do not advoctate denying them the right to do so. By proxy, please do not deny me my right to purchase alcohol on Sunday. You do not have to buy it, just like I do not have to go to church. By the way, religious folks, e.g. monks, have a rich history in brewing beer and making wine.

Jere

February 16th, 2011
11:06 am

These politicians seem so sane and normal when you meet them one on one in the bar or in the hospitality suite with their wives or “others” drinking and lusting over the opposite sex and telling off color jokes.

But boy the piety reigns when it comes to the evils of someone else who is exercising his or her God given and constitutional right to not attend church being able to buy a six pack on Sunday morning while these pols are sleeping off their hangover in church impatiently waiting for the services to end so they can head off the the couch to watch football and have a beer.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:09 am

“a few more comments ebfore I finished with you.’

Again with the bad grammar. Did “Harvard” really pass you?

“I find it and amusing example of your (lack of) intellectial maturity for you to tell me what I “imply” when I post something”

And I find it amusing that you continually misspell words and then have the audacity to claim to be smarter than me.

“where did I link “intellect” with the Ivy League?’

It’s called sarcastic assumption, low IQ. You obviously don’t get sarcasm.

“your patron Saint George W. Bush earned* an undergrad degree at Yale and a MBA at Harvard.

Only problem with your statement is, I didn’t vote for Bush.

“and the current POTUS earned his BA at Columbia before graduating from Harvard Law. ‘

Funny how Affirmative Action works, huh.

“but don’t trust me.”

Trust me, I don’t.

“stand still and confront me face-to-face, with facts. ”

I have, and continue to do so. I’ve yet to read any “facts” about your conspiracy theories on Christians and Big Government.

“it’s actually something of an OCD behavior’

No, actually it’s just fun to irritate the hell out of you.

kevin

February 16th, 2011
11:09 am

LA

February 16th, 2011
10:39 am

You really should refrain from speaking about what the Koran does and does not say. You clearly have no clue.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:10 am

“It bothers me that loads of people choose to go to church each Sunday and worship a sky fairy”

Maybe you should make a citizens arrest and call up Al Gore for backup.

“By the way, religious folks, e.g. monks, have a rich history in brewing beer and making wine.’

Yeah, and they also have a rich history of child molestation.

KG

February 16th, 2011
11:10 am

LA – you suck, plain and simple. Your ignorant post make up a majority on this blog, questioning everyone else and their views on this subject. Why don’t you work on the fact that your a delusional, hypocritical god fearing moron and just let it be. Instead of judging everyones opinion on this subject why not go and seek help? How can you possibly make a valid point or ridicule anyones opinion when your constantly hoping the boogie man under your bed/GOD doesn’t come for you? Let us have a drink on sunday and just mind your own mental issues in your own home for the day. I can’t wait for your next post, you bad ass cyber bully!

Shopper

February 16th, 2011
11:12 am

It is nobody’s business which day of the week – or how often, or even for what legal item – I choose to do my shopping. Period.

If there is a God, he can judge me. He admonishes his religious followers not to do so.

KG

February 16th, 2011
11:12 am

LA – do you really want to compare the Koran and the most violent book ever written/Old Testament? You douche!

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:15 am

“You really should refrain from speaking about what the Koran does and does not say. You clearly have no clue.”

From the Koran

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:17 am

“you suck, plain and simple. ‘

WOW!!!!!! What a great comeback.

Hey, KG, if you could actually read, you’d have read where I was in agreement as to the law no alcohol on Sunday is a stupid law.

Now, please continue to rant and scream about me being a “cyber bully.” LOL

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:19 am

“do you really want to compare the Koran and the most violent book ever written/Old Testament? ‘

Sure, why not.

“You douche!’

Ok, I can play that game.

Here goes: You troglodyte, you moron, you idiot, retard……………….

kevin

February 16th, 2011
11:19 am

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:10 am

Both your points made no sense. Well done.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:15 am

That says nothing about Israel as you originally reported. Additionally, you can pick quotes from the Old Testament that are equally as violent (espeically when you pull them out of context like you’ve done here).

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
11:19 am

Republican Atheist, the United States needs more republican/conservative atheists (and fewer democrat/liberal atheists). and if it not too much trouble, feel free to ask LA what part of “I am finished with you” does he not understand?

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:20 am

“and if it not too much trouble, feel free to ask LA what part of “I am finished with you” does he not understand?”

You do realize that this is a blog and people read, not speak, about what they want to say, right?

You’re drowning here, Gump.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
11:22 am

I encourage all of you who seem to be approaching this issue with some common sense to contact your state representative and senator and let them hear the voice of logic and reason on this issue and encourage them to allow this bill to come to a vote and to allow the citizens of the state to decide it’s fate. Don’t let the loud cries of the radical fringe be the only voice heard on this subject.

Preacherskid

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:22 am

“Both your points made no sense. Well done.’

Not my problem if you illiterate.

“Additionally, you can pick quotes from the Old Testament that are equally as violent (espeically when you pull them out of context like you’ve done here).”

Yep, but the only problem is Jews and Christians aren’t flying 747’s into buildings, stoning and raping women etc….

You were saying?

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:23 am

“the United States needs more republican/conservative atheists’

?

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:24 am

“espeically when you pull them out of context like you’ve done here’

So enlighten me, Gump. How did I take that verse out of context?

Self_Made

February 16th, 2011
11:25 am

And these same guys caving in to country preachers and liquor store owners are supposed to stand up to the Feds to roll back healthcare and give the government “back to the people”?

Yeah…riiiiight.

Left wingers wrote the book on hypocrisy

February 16th, 2011
11:27 am

Hey left wingers,

If you don’t like Georgia, MOVE!!!!!!! Please, take your pasty a$$es back up north with all the other skinny jeans wearing little freaks. I don’t see any of you screaming about how Obama has forced us all to buy government insurance.

Left wingers wrote the book on hypocrisy

February 16th, 2011
11:29 am

kevin

Come on dude, come up with a serious rebuttal to LA’s Koran posting. I looked up that same verse and it’s NOT taken out of context.

Carlosgvv

February 16th, 2011
11:30 am

LA

You are right about what the Koran says. The question is, will the time come when we will have to fight them to the death to preserve our way of life? That may sound far out, but so was 9/11 and fanatics never give up. Also, many Muslem countries put their children in Muslem schools and keep them there till they are 17 or 18. By the time they get out of these schools, they are brainwashed fanatics. This number is growing every day. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time till it’s them or us.

kevin

February 16th, 2011
11:31 am

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:22 am

I can read fine–it’s jsut the context of your comments made little sense. By the way, you wrote, “Not my problem if you illiterate.” — it seems, you’re illiterate.

“Yep, but the only problem is Jews and Christians aren’t flying 747’s into buildings, stoning and raping women etc”

Most muslims condone those behaviors. Though, if you believe Christians lack a history of violence, you’re wrong.

Also, I thought it’s worth mentioning that your posting tone is arrogant, condescending and obnoxious. Juxtaposed to your vapid posts and clear cursory knowledge, at best, of the subjects you discuss–you might want to tread a little lighter.

kevin

February 16th, 2011
11:33 am

That should have read, “Most muslims [don't] condone those behaviors.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:33 am

“The question is, will the time come when we will have to fight them to the death to preserve our way of life?’

We already are. Even Europe is sick of Muslims.

“Also, many Muslem countries put their children in Muslem schools and keep them there till they are 17 or 18.’

Yep, and that is why Europe is now speaking out against them. Multiculturalism doesn’t work.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
11:34 am

hey everybody, back in 2010 I used to post under the name paleo-neo-Carlinist. in response to the infantile behavior is some bloggers, I created what I call ‘the kids’ table’. unlike the grown up table, where spirited debate and INTELLECTUAL sparring is encouraged and appreciated; the kids table is for armpit farts, pea throwing, and the occassional “I laughed so hard, milk came out of my nose” banter. don’t get me wrong, there is a time and place for the kids table, and of course as the saying goes, “in the land of the the blind, the one-eyed man is king”. so, why don’t we all just wish LA/Nothing is Free well as he hold’s court at the kids’ table and refrain from further “enabling” of his… I mean “her” childish ranting.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:36 am

“it seems, you’re illiterate.”

Ma’am, I can read just fine.

“Most muslims condone those behaviors.’

No they don’t and you have NOTHING to back that up. NOT ONE THING.

“Though, if you believe Christians lack a history of violence, you’re wrong.’

Rephrase that question.

“Also, I thought it’s worth mentioning that your posting tone is arrogant, condescending and obnoxious.’

You must be under the false impression that I care what you think.

“Juxtaposed to your vapid posts and clear cursory knowledge, at best, of the subjects you discuss–you might want to tread a little lighter.”

Funny because you didn’t even respond with evidence that I took the Koran out of context. You may want to rethink your hack comments.

Patriot

February 16th, 2011
11:37 am

This demands an act of civil disobedience. If this measure fails, everyone who supports the sale of liquor on Sunday should go out in front of their house on Sunday and sell whatever beer, wine, or liquor they have. A nice 19 day sit-in at the capitol seemed to work for the Egyptians. Maybe we could get a complete house cleaning with such a move. Bottom line is that in 2011 we should not have to BEG our elected officials for our FREEDOMS BACK.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:38 am

“hey everybody, back in 2010 I used to post under the name paleo-neo-Carlinist.’

You must be under the false impression that most people care about who you post as.

“so, why don’t we all just wish LA/Nothing is Free’

NIF comments over on Bookman’s blog, hack. If you had half the intelligence of a carrot, you’d know that. But, since you don’t, you continue to pretend that you are somehow smarter than everyone else even though you haven’t written one…..single….intelligent…….comment.

Atlanta Native

February 16th, 2011
11:38 am

Still waiting to hear a rebuttal for my three points. Paul speaks of moderation, but not temperance.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:39 am

“Still waiting to hear a rebuttal for my three points.’

Like I said, they were spot on.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
11:42 am

Patriot, funny you should mention. was not the home of a Grant Park/SE Atlanta resident raided last year by APD for operating a “liquor store” out of his living room? and the worst part? he wasn’t charging a premium? maybe a couple buck mark-up on a case of beer or a bottle of liquor. he bought it legally (and paid state/city sales tax), but somehow, when he turned around and held a “booze only” yard sale, he was viewed as a ‘criminal’?

Bill from Lake Sinclair

February 16th, 2011
11:43 am

Joe the Plutocrat

If one is going to ignore someone else, they simply ignore them. Instead, you continue to throw gas on the fire by name calling and other childish put downs. No one cares about your “adult table” because most people couldn’t care less about what you have to say. You haven’t contributed one single thing to the conversation.

jconservative

February 16th, 2011
11:44 am

The Gospel According to John, Chapter 2 (King James Version)

“[6] And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
[7] Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.[8] And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
[9] When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
[10] And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
[11] This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.”

Just noting for those interested in such things.

beachwriter

February 16th, 2011
11:45 am

Shopper nailed it: “It is nobody’s business which day of the week – or how often, or even for what legal item – I choose to do my shopping. Period. If there is a God, he can judge me. He admonishes his religious followers not to do so.”

That’s all that needs to be said on this subject.

LA

February 16th, 2011
11:47 am

“Just noting for those interested in such things.”

Yep, no argument here!

kevin

February 16th, 2011
11:49 am

LA,

Your Koran quote was two lines out of book that contains over 6000 verses. So, yeah, I’d say pulling 2 lines out of many thousand, is taking something out of context.

To further illustrate the point, here is anotherquote from the Koran:

” “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous – Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men – for God loves those who do good.” Chapter 3, Verses 133-134″

Like the Bible, The Koran is diverse in it’s content, suggestions and otherwise–containing violent verses, loving verses, normative verses, etc.

I have to go now, but in the interim I suggest you take a clas in hermeneutics–you can start by googling the word “hermeneutics” to discern it’s meaning.

Brian

February 16th, 2011
12:02 pm

God has said for us to do or not do certain things in life. In Genesis, we took it upon ourselves to make our own choices. He has allowed that freedom of choice even to this day. This is to show us that when we make the wrong choices, we suffer from that choice and to show us that we should have listened to Him. Who is anybody that thinks they are mightier than Him? Who thinks it right to override the Almighty and his decision to allow us to make our own choices? Maybe we should bring back witch hunting or The Inquisition. If America should endure such a theocratic enslavement from the Christians, then why not allow Sharia law, or any and all others, to also become US law? Where does it stop? I say it should have stopped before it started and it’s time for US law to back up to where it was supposed to be. Freedom. … The “religious leaders” are supposed to take care of their flock, not oppress their neighbors and countrymen. When they take away the freedom of choice from Americans that has already been given to us from above, then they are in direct opposition to what He has already ordained and therefore become more like His enemy, Satan. They should go back into their cloisters and concentrate on the people that seek them / Him and leave others to their own decisions. .. G’day. B~)

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
12:06 pm

Just read the latest article on this issue. Looks like the Republicans met for about an hour and they’re still split on the issue. Some think it should go to referendum and let the people decide and others feel it’s the responsibility for the General Assembly to decide and not have it go to referendum.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
12:06 pm

Bill from Lake Sinclair, you obviously care about what I have to say. Thanks for caring. did you learn how to care from watching Barney?

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
12:10 pm

jconservative, dispassionate and accurate as always. now, if you really want to do some research, see if you can find the Bible passage in which Jesus mentions the lobbyists who represent independent liquor store owners. might possibly be found in the “wolves in sheeps clothing” verse.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
12:15 pm

jconservative

February 16th, 2011
11:44 am

I like it. I find it humorous that the very people who oppose the bill do so by invoking some christian doctrine or principle that doesn’t exist. There is no biblical basis for the argument and it shouldn’t matter anyway. This isn’t about God or religion it’s about freedom.

Preacherskid

Bubba

February 16th, 2011
12:15 pm

According to the NPR article, alcohol is one of the ingredients used in making Coca-Cola. So I guess the sale of Coke on Sundays should be prohibited.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
12:16 pm

Bill from Lake Sinclair, please refrain from using words like “no one cares” or “most people”. you do not speak for others. in fact, doing so, you assume the position of the “Christian conservatives’ who apparently ’speak’ for all Georgians when it comes to liquors sales on Sundays. in the future, you would do well to use words like “I don’t care” (speak in the first person – it’s what therapists call “taking ownership of feelings”). when you claim to speak for or represent others, you are “projecting” (another shrinkism). as I said, in many ways, you are being like a nanny-state politician.

jconservative

February 16th, 2011
12:35 pm

I actually do not care when people sell or buy alcoholic beverages.

I really object to someone wanting the Government to make that decision for me and my fellow citizens. We need less, not more, Government.

Carlosgvv

February 16th, 2011
12:40 pm

LA – Europe seems to be on the verge of losing all patience with their imported Muslims. Im thinking this powder keg will explode in a year or two and will make our illegal immigration problem look like a picnic. Do you agree?

LA

February 16th, 2011
1:12 pm

“Your Koran quote was two lines out of book that contains over 6000 verses. So, yeah, I’d say pulling 2 lines out of many thousand, is taking something out of context.”

Oh, so I was supposed to copy and paste the entire book? LOL

What did I take out of context?

“Like the Bible, The Koran is diverse in it’s content, suggestions and otherwise–containing violent verses, loving verses, normative verses, etc.”

The Koran was constructed 600 years after the Bible. The Koran is smaller than the New Testament and copies and twists Biblical text.

Care to debate that?

LA

February 16th, 2011
1:13 pm

“Bill from Lake Sinclair, you obviously care about what I have to say. Thanks for caring. did you learn how to care from watching Barney?’

You really suck at debate, Plutocrat. I mean seriously, all you do is name call and try to belittle anyone who questions your motives.

I’m sure your stuffed animals love you, though.

LA

February 16th, 2011
1:14 pm

“might possibly be found in the “wolves in sheeps clothing” verse.’

And what verse would that be?

LA

February 16th, 2011
1:15 pm

“According to the NPR ‘

NPR is about as relevant as Kieth Olberman.

LA

February 16th, 2011
1:18 pm

“please refrain from using words like “no one cares” or “most people”. you do not speak for others.’

Contradict much? Do you even read your own mindless rants?

“speak in the first person – it’s what therapists call “taking ownership of feelings”).’

And you should know all about therapy since you reside in an asylum. Also, why don’t you capitalize the first letter of the first word in each of your sentence like your 3rd grade teacher taught you to?

“when you claim to speak for or represent others, you are “projecting””

POT. MEET KETTLE.

Wow, pluto, you sure do know how to step in your own dung.

Bill from Lake Sinclair

February 16th, 2011
1:33 pm

Joe the Plutocrat

You don’t know me nor do you know what I stand for or support. You have spent all morning demeaning other bloggers, including me, and it makes you look really foolish. I have not projected anything on anyone. I merely called you out as a hypocrite. You resorted to name calling and then pretend to be something you’re not. It’s interesting that you mention therapy because you obviously need it. Oh, and if you’d passed 5th grade English, you’d know to capitalize certain words and not misspell other words. It seems LA already pointed that out but you’ve chosen to ignore common sense.

LA

February 16th, 2011
1:37 pm

“Europe seems to be on the verge of losing all patience with their imported Muslims. Im thinking this powder keg will explode in a year or two and will make our illegal immigration problem look like a picnic. Do you agree?’

Couldn’t agree more.

Exador

February 16th, 2011
1:52 pm

I want to know the names! I want to know who voted which way!

Carlosgvv

February 16th, 2011
2:16 pm

LA

Back in the bad old days when we were trading insults, I thought I was pretty sharp. After reading today’s posts aimed at you, I realize I was nothing more than a beginner. Some people are really vile!!!
You said California, Illinois and Michagan are going bankrupt. Will they go to Washington, hat in hand, to ask for bailout money? If so, what will Congress do? And will more states follow suit?

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
2:22 pm

Eric

February 16th, 2011
7:34 am
If the Lord’s Day is that important, why are all other businesses allowed to be open for profit 24/7? Also, what’s the harm in buying wine at a grocery store on Sunday? Didn’t Jesus pour wine at the wedding in Cana?

Eric, it wasn’t that long ago that businesses were not allowed to be open on Sunday. I remember when I was a kid that everything was closed on Sunday. Only certain businesses were allowed to be open like Pharmacies but you could only buy medication so if you had a prescription to fill you could buy it but you couldn’t buy a candy bar or add anything to the purchase. Those laws were done away with slowly but surely.

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:23 pm

Carlosgvv

Yeah, there are two-three vile people that come on these type of blogs just to throw bombs at religion. These people usually hang around Bookman’s because he tolerates that kind of stuff.

“Will they go to Washington, hat in hand, to ask for bailout money?’

Yep, and if a Republican president is in charge, he/she will tell them take a hike. These states that want to file for bankruptcy will be turned into territories and the people running them will be run out of town.

“If so, what will Congress do? ”

Hopefully they will give them the bird. Michigan may end up being saved but California and Illinois will go bankrupt.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
2:24 pm

Blue laws began in the United States in the mid-1700s. These laws originally were meant to enforce Christian moral codes, such as attending church service and resting on Sunday. Restrictions set by blue laws in history range from the sale of washing machines to prohibiting travel and recreation. “Blue Laws: The History, Economics and Politics of Sunday-Closing Law,” by David Laband, notes that blue laws also protected the business interests of Christians by eliminating competition on their day of worship

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:24 pm

“Those laws were done away with slowly but surely.’

Can you please provide a link to those old laws? I don’t remember it being against the law to be opened on a Sunday.

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:25 pm

“Eric, it wasn’t that long ago that businesses were not allowed to be open on Sunday.”

Then

“Blue laws began in the United States in the mid-1700s. ”

You must be really old if you remember those laws.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
2:29 pm

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:24 pm
“Those laws were done away with slowly but surely.’

Can you please provide a link to those old laws? I don’t remember it being against the law to be opened on a Sunday

No, I don’t have a list or anything but I personally experienced it. My father pastored 10 different baptist churches while I was a kid and I remember we used to make a point to go to town on Saturday to get groceries or anything else that we needed to do because you couldn’t do it on Sunday. That eventually changed and then I remember when it was a big deal because the county I grew up in wanted to sell alcohol period and not be a dry county. That changed, then it was voted on to allow sales of alcohol by the drink and that passed. Now this, is on the plate. It’s like Custers last stand. Desperately clinging to the one remnant of that time and attitude.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
2:32 pm

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:25 pm
“Eric, it wasn’t that long ago that businesses were not allowed to be open on Sunday.”

I’m old enough to remember this (41)

Then

“Blue laws began in the United States in the mid-1700s. ” Wasn’t there for this thankfully. Just a little historical background on what blue laws are and why they exist in the first place.

You must be really old if you remember those laws.

Suckers

February 16th, 2011
2:45 pm

Religion is akin to employee of the month- it only distracts you from the BS going on around you.

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:47 pm

“No, I don’t have a list or anything but I personally experienced it.’

You experienced laws from the 1700’s?

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:48 pm

Preacherskid

My comment obviously went over your head.

LA

February 16th, 2011
2:49 pm

“it only distracts you from the BS going on around you.’

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
2:57 pm

Suckers

February 16th, 2011
2:45 pm
Religion is akin to employee of the month- it only distracts you from the BS going on around you.

I don’t begrudge them their religious beliefs. I just don’t want them forced onto me. Allowing this bill to go to a referendum and be voted on by the people in no way changes anything for them. They’re not being forced to go buy alcohol on Sunday. They can still say “Hey, I’m christian and I don’t believe in drinking or buying booze on Sunday so I’m not going to.” but the way the law is now, I don’t have the freedom to say “Hey I’m christian or agnostic or whatever and I don’t believe it’s a sin to buy booze or drink on Sunday so I’m going to go buy some.”

Joe the Plutocrat

February 16th, 2011
2:59 pm

Bill from Lake Sinclair, at 11:43 AM, you accused me of “throwing gas on the fire” and “childish putdowns” but then admonished me for “not contributing one single thing” to the conversation. we can agree to disagree about the naure of my “putdowns” I like to use the word “infantile” but this does not mean my putdowns are infantile (childish). that aside, I would argue that “putdowns” are “contributions”. I would further add that I offered several posts in which I clearly stated my position and opinion. if you feel the need to defend other bloggers or if you feel inclined to attack me, I am OK with it. as I have noted, I am a grown-up; not a child. you’re correct, I don’t know you, so what? you don’t know me, yet you feel the authority to comment on my posts, as opposed to the subject of the blog (Sunday liquor sales in GA). as far as my “penmanship” and spelling, I plead guilty. I rarely use capital letters (comes from my rejection of the use of G when referring to theist deities – gods). as far as my “need” (your word) for therapy, what makes you think I am not a veteran of therapy? as far as your abilitity to ‘call out’ hypocrites, I suggest you re-read your posts. you ‘called me out’ for ‘not contributing a single thing’ and for poor spelling/grammar, but hypocrisy is something completely different.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
3:10 pm

A father was asked by his son to explain the differences among various religions and denominations, and the best he could come up with was: “Jews don’t recognize the divinity of Jesus, Protestants don’t recognize the authority of the Pope, and Baptists don’t recognize each other in the liquor store.”

Carlosgvv

February 16th, 2011
3:11 pm

LA

Obama said we had to bail out those big firms in order to avert a world-wide depression. I have never really believed that. Do you think he was right, and would a similar doomsday argument be used for the bankrupt states?
a

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
3:12 pm

Why should you always invite two Baptists to go fishing?

Because if you invite just one he’ll drink all your beer!

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
3:13 pm

Don’t forget the main reason Baptists are opposed to drinkin’ — it might lead to dancin’!

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
3:22 pm

A man went to heaven and was being shown around by St. Peter.
As they went from cloud to cloud they came to various doors which
St. Peter would open. One showed a large group rolling on the floor
and talking in tongues. “Our Pentecostals” he said..
Next was a serious ritual. “Our Jewish persuasion” he replied.
Then another ritualistic service. “Our Catholics”.
At the next cloud, he didn’t open the door but instead put his
forefinger to his lips in the hush motion and they both tip toed
past.. Once past, the man asked what that was all about !?
“Those are the Baptists”, he explained. “They think they are the
only one’s here”.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
3:24 pm

The pastor of a poor Baptist church passed away and the congregation
went into town to take up a collection for the funeral.
“Would you give $5 to bury the Baptist preacher?”
“Here’s $10,” said the atheist, “bury two of them.”

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
3:27 pm

A man walks into the woman’s section of a department store
and tells the sales clerk he wants to buy a bra for his wife.
“What type of bra?” asked the clerk.
“Type?” inquires the man, “there’s more than one type?”
“There are three types,” replies the clerk, “The Catholic
type, the Salvation Army type, and the Baptist type. Which
one do you need?”
Still confused the man asked, “What is the difference in
them?”
The clerk responds, “It is really very easy. The Catholic
type supports the masses, the Salvation Army type lifts up
the fallen and the Baptist type makes mountain’s out of mole
hills.”

LA

February 16th, 2011
4:11 pm

“Obama said we had to bail out those big firms in order to avert a world-wide depression. I have never really believed that. Do you think he was right, and would a similar doomsday argument be used for the bankrupt states?”

Obama has absolutely no idea how the economy works. Nothing Obama says can be taken as truth. GM should have gone bankrupt to get rid of the unions. Freddie & Fannie should have gone bankrupt. People should not have bought houses they couldn’t afforded.

LA

February 16th, 2011
4:13 pm

Preacherskid

Love the Baptist jokes. I got into an argument with one about the reformation and he said that the reformation was bad. I was like, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you do realize that if not for Martin Luther, you would be Catholic right?

Gotta love ignorance.

CeeB

February 16th, 2011
4:16 pm

LA…I was born in Atlanta in 1962. Preacher’s kid is right. Department stores (no malls back in those days), grocery stores, movie theaters, etc were not opened on Sunday. I don’t know if it was the Georgia’s Blue Law that actually prohibited this but it was an accepted practice. Truett Kathy continues this practice today…
This is from the Chick-fil-A website (http://www.chickfila.com/Closed.asp):

“Admittedly, closing all of our restaurants every Sunday makes us a rarity in this day and age. But it’s a little habit that has always served us well, so we’re planning to stick with it.

Our founder, Truett Cathy, wanted to ensure that every Chick-fil-A employee and restaurant operator had an opportunity to worship, spend time with family and friends or just plain rest from the work week. Made sense then, still makes sense now.”

JL

February 16th, 2011
4:16 pm

It’s the principle of it which bothers me …true conservatives believe in Limited Government so they should be for this. It will also bring more revenues to the state which had to furlough my wife this year. Also if I want wine or beer when I get home from church and sunday dinner ( Baptist By the way, yes most Baptist drink), I’m a grown, tax-paying man and should be able to go to the store and buy it and responsibly enjoy it!!!!

LA

February 16th, 2011
4:36 pm

CeeB

ChicFilA is a private company and can operate as it wants.

John

February 16th, 2011
5:17 pm

I think that the Christian Coalition should keep there nose out of places that it doesn’t belong. If you don’t want to buy alcohol on sunday, then don’t! YOUR small pathetic social group shouldn’t be able to dictate the choices of the communities around the state.

LA

February 16th, 2011
5:26 pm

“YOUR small pathetic social group

Not small when it tells GA lawmakers what to do.

John

February 16th, 2011
5:50 pm

Its still small, just that they go to church with the people so they don’t want to start an uproar during their brainwashing!

John

February 16th, 2011
5:54 pm

The point is that we should all have a say so on it. They don’t speak for me, so their ideas and beliefs they are pushing shouldn’t decide for me either. Put it to a local vote, and they can have the chance to vote Yes or No like everyone else.

Preacherskid

February 16th, 2011
6:05 pm

LA you need to get on this blog. There’s a guy over here that you’d just love. I mean he’s just aching to get into it with you. :-)

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2011/02/16/a-fresh-argument-against-sunday-sales-we-dont-want-to-be-like-california/?cp=3#comment-122278

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Rockerbabe

February 16th, 2011
7:23 pm

People who are age 21 should be able to buy alcohol anytime they want. Everyday is the Lord’s day or didn’t the preachers know this?

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

February 16th, 2011
9:05 pm

I want to buy beer on Sunday.

The wingnuts on the right who wanna stop this are just plain paranoid.

Games on TV or BBQ or or whatever on Sunday afternoon…

Tax Me !

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

February 16th, 2011
9:11 pm

The United States should lower the national drinking age to 18 — With one condition –

If you serve in the armed forces, in harm’s way, then a drink is okay in my book.

FSUnole

February 16th, 2011
9:31 pm

yes, the vast majority of catholics are lost…they follow the rituals of man and not the true Jesus

CeeB

February 16th, 2011
9:45 pm

LA — you’re probably no longer reading this blog, but I’m not sure I understand your comment about Chic Fil A being a private company. The grocery and convenience stores are also private companies and if a law is passed wherein Sunday alcohol sales are allowed, the companies will decide if they want to particpate in Sunday sales.

My reference to Chic Fil A was just to illustrate the mindset of some concerning the Blue Laws and the foundation upon which they were based. You made a comment to Preacher’s kid that “he experienced 1700 laws” as if he was exaggerating, I was just attesting that there was a time when nothing was open on Sunday in Atlanta when I was growing up.

SmittyATL

February 16th, 2011
10:04 pm

Just absolutely silly. Anyone who wants to observe the sabbath by abstaining from alcohol purchases is free to do so.

Even the “public safety” argument is back assward. Now if a guy wants to drink beer while watching a Sunday ballgame, he won’t be able to bring home a sixpack and drink beer on his couch. Instead, he’ll go down to the local tavern, knock back five or six, then drive home. Score one for public safety.

Buz'd

February 16th, 2011
10:08 pm

They’re just afraid us drunks will pick up a six pack on the way into church and not put as much in the collection plate!

SmittyATL

February 16th, 2011
10:11 pm

FSUnole, you are a disrespectful fool. Without Catholicism, there would be no Christianity. I’m not a Catholic, but I believe that all Christians should have the utmost respect for them. I’m guessing you don’t like them Jews either…

Patriot Games

February 16th, 2011
11:57 pm

I find it hilarious that these people above are criticizing Christians and Southern Baptists while they clearly state that they are not one themselves. As a Christian myself I see nothing wrong with the Sunday sales of Alcohol as we are given this enumerated right via the Constitution. I honor the Lord by attending Church on Sunday and by not working. What many idiotic left wing extremists forget is that our Constitution and laws of the United States were created on the basis of Christian principles. That’s the rationale not only of the religious opponents but Congress as well. If you want to see it as honoring God by not drinking on Sunday, then you should. That is ultimately the practice of faith itself, right? I choose not to do certain things based on my faith and in reverence to the Almighty. I do have the right by law to do some of these things, but it is my choice not to. This Sunday sales of alcohol thing is just another example of a choice that if you are concerned about religiously, you should refrain.

marko

February 17th, 2011
5:10 am

Do you know the difference between Baptist and Methodist? Two Methodist will greet one another in a liquor store. The truth is nobody enjoys poking fun at pompous religious nut jobs than I do. But, in this case they’re just part of the equation. the liquor stores fear the competition, and the restaurants don’t want to lose their Sunday monopoly. Politics really does make strange bed fellows. For the rest of us, the really funny part is watching our elected heroes kiss special interest butts all year, and then sell themselves as men and women of courage and vision on election day.

Thou shall not encroach

February 17th, 2011
8:10 am

The Forgotten Messiah weighed in on Sunday Liquour Sales with this para-parable, that quasi-secular, semi-canonical, ambi-benedictive short story which illustrates a larger point, (always bi-moronic).

“A man who had fallen from a good career and marriage through society’s safety net ended up on skid row. In the gutter one Sinday night, he ran completely out of beer and wine. “No prob”, he muttered, “I’ll shoplift some more beer AND wine over at the local Walmart.” He scurried over to the store, which was open 24 hours. As he approached, he noticed the security guard locking up the doors. He became indignant and yelled at the guard, “Hey! What R U doing? The sign sez that this store is open 24 hours,’

The guard turned and looked incredulous at the bum and said, “Not in a row….”

(steven wright)

Carlosgvv

February 17th, 2011
8:33 am

LA

If three states are near bankruptcy now it seems likely more will follow. Will Obama say we can’t afford to let them fail and try to bail them out? I wonder which political parties would do what if this happens. I agree totally we should not have bailed out those banks. I think Business and Congress are way to cozy and watch each others backs just a little too much.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 17th, 2011
9:45 am

worth mentioning to those who are trying to draw a connection between Sunday alcohol sales and Chik-fil-A; it would be accurate if the state of GA (not Chik-fil-A corporate policy) required any resturant selling chicken sandwiches to be closed on Sundays. ergo, repeal the ban, and allow “Christian” (or Muslim) liquor store owners to decide if the wish to “honor the sabbath” in accordance with their religious faith.

LA

February 17th, 2011
10:06 am

CeeB

I was making a joke when I was referring to PreachersKid and the 1700’s. And yes, I know you know all about ChicFilA and their principles.

LA

February 17th, 2011
10:07 am

Carlosgvv

Hopefully Obama won’t be president by the time those states declare for bankruptcy. I have some lawyer buddies who are telling me that the best way to handle it is by allowing them to go bankrupt and to turn back into territories. The people in power, in those states, will be long gone by then.

LA

February 17th, 2011
10:45 am

“yes, the vast majority of catholics are lost…they follow the rituals of man and not the true Jesus’

Which is why a lot of Catholics have left the church. Tradition and rituals only do so much. Without the relationship, there is nothing.

LA

February 17th, 2011
10:46 am

“FSUnole, you are a disrespectful fool. Without Catholicism, there would be no Christianity. I’m not a Catholic, but I believe that all Christians should have the utmost respect for them. I’m guessing you don’t like them Jews either…’

Wow, project much? Not sure how you go from calling someone a fool to Jew hater.

You sound like someone who was part of this crowd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E3ctO7fdrcc

Preacherskid

February 17th, 2011
11:32 am

Well the religious lobby and the restaraunt lobby have won. I take my hat off too you.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/26899958/detail.html

Sunday sales dead for the year

February 17th, 2011
12:25 pm

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retiredds

February 17th, 2011
2:21 pm

Simple solution on the voting on the bill: if it gets voted down by the Republicans, or any Democrats, it will be considered that ALL of them voted it down. And if it gets voted down we can thank the religious right for upholding the nanny state status of GA.

Preacherskid

February 17th, 2011
2:26 pm

It’s reprehensible the way this was handled. I don’t like that one party can hold a secret meeting and decide the fate of legislation. Not happy at all. No transparency it seems.

Former Atlanta Native

February 18th, 2011
7:54 am

A quick read interrupted by poor editing (two typos)

- 1 “Nathan Deal, has stated publicly he is inclined sign legislation…” – are we missing a word here?

-2- “Liquor store owners also have voiced opposition to the legislation, because they do want the competition they would face from supermarkets…” – opposition because they ‘do?’

Are the AJC budgets so low that editing doesn’t occur any longer?

Not missing the media in the Big A and I’m certainly glad to be away from both religious zealots and legal monopoly beer and wine distributors in GA as a franchise state.

Anne

February 18th, 2011
8:23 pm

Whether we have alcohol sales on Sunday or not , is one issue that personally I think should be decided by the people. I really don’t care one way or the other.

But what I do care about, is the unethical, behind closed doors, gag ordered decisions being made about our rights and our lives by people who may not have our best interest at heart. The very unethical way in which this debate was shut down, erases any doubt that these guys under the gold dome are corrupt and self serving

Preacherskid

February 22nd, 2011
9:51 am

This is an interview with Jerry Laquire (Christian Coalition) and a representative of the Independent Convenience Store Association.

http://www.11alive.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=788075010001#/Sunday+Liquor+Sales+Debate/788075010001

V. Powell

February 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm

I have not had dranked alcohol for 60 years, the rest of you can do this as well. I say stop selling alcohol on any day, it will not be missed.

Jim

February 23rd, 2011
1:12 am

Just to Lighten the mood I found this ridiculously hilarious video some kids made on Sunday Liquor Sales.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TOM_UuQzc0