Anti-Immigration bandwagon picks up steam

Despite passing what was considered to be one of the toughest immigration laws in the country just five years ago, the Georgia General Assembly just can’t seem to resist the urge to show just how tough it is on immigration.  Following last year’s Republican primary, which saw several candidates call for a “tough” anti-immigration law “like Arizona’s,” and one candidate even recommending setting up a “Guantanamo-style” prison for illegal aliens in the state, it was only a matter of time before the General Assembly this year took up such legislation. 

Currently, there are two competing immigration bills vying for attention under the Gold Dome. 

State Rep. Matt Ramsey (R-Peachtree City) is sponsoring HB 87 – the “Illegal Immigration Reform Act” — which would require all employers in the state to ensure the status of prospective employees by using the federal E-Verify system; a program opponents of the bill have argued is plagued by questionable accuracy. HB 87 also requires counties and municipalities to ensure that new businesses entering into their jurisdiction are authorized to use E-Verify before a business license or occupational certificate can be issued. 

The bill also imposes escalating civil penalties and prison sentences for transporting, concealing or harboring illegal immigrants; and even proposes to make it a crime for someone to “encourage” an illegal immigrant to come to Georgia.  Any vehicle used to give an illegal alien a ride would be subject to forfeiture.  Importantly, and similar to Arizona’s 2010 law (which already has been ruled unconstitutional by a federal district court), HB 87 empowers police to detain someone if they suspect the person may be in the country unlawfully. 

If enacted, it is certain this legislation will face constitutional challenge in the courts.  In fact, recognizing the likelihood that some of the provisions now in his legislation would likely fall as a result of such challenges, Ramsey already has made numerous changes to his bill. 

In the upper chamber, Sen. Jack Murphy (R-Cumming) has introduced SB 40, a slightly less comprehensive bill that still requires businesses in Georgia to be E-Verify compliant. However, reflecting the reality that much of the tough-on-illegal-immigration debate is more about politics than principle,  Murphy’s bill carves out a huge exemption for the state’s agricultural community; an obvious attempt to appease the Georgia Farm Bureau, which announced its opposition to bills that would place a financial burden on farmers dependent on migrant workers. 

Politics aside, it is interesting to witness so many Republican legislators who profess allegiance to principles of federalism and more limited government police power, tripping over themselves to support legislation such as these immigration-based bills.  Greatly expanding the power of law state and local law enforcement to stop and detain people, premised on a power that resides with the federal, not state government to begin with, hardly fits traditional definitions of “conservative.”  When it comes to immigration, consistency is often not a component of the debate. 

Apparently the cost to taxpayers of measures such as HB 47 figures little in the debate as well.  Similar legislation introduced in Utah, for example, is estimated to cost taxpayers in that state upwards of $11 million dollars. 

With the Peach State facing a $1 billion-plus budget gap, pushing for an immigration law with a hefty price tag attached to it, and the constitutionality of which is demonstrably in doubt to begin with, would appear not to be a particularly wise use of our legislators’ time.  Perhaps they need to be reminded that immigration is a federal responsibility, and that the new folks in charge of the US House just might be more receptive to forcing Uncle Sam to do his job than the prior management.  Then again, that would be effort less likely to result in headlines back home.

 - by Bob Barr, The Barr Code

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Anne M

February 14th, 2011
6:15 am

Could Barr work the incorrect ‘anti-immigration’ label into his blog enough times? The correct and honest phrase is ‘anti-illegal immigration’,but that wouldn’t fit his amnesty agenda,would it? At least he didn’t use the oh-so-politically-correct ‘undocumented worker’ silliness.

Karl Marx

February 14th, 2011
6:24 am

Why not sue the Feds for damages. Heck it has always worked for Eco Nut jobs protecting a minnow why not us for a change.

Al Gore/Kilgore

February 14th, 2011
7:15 am

Long way to go for no fresh insight.

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BillyRob

February 14th, 2011
7:37 am

I don’t read Bob often. Now I remember why. It’s like watching paint dry.

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jconservative

February 14th, 2011
8:04 am

We are discussing a bill that would require local law enforcement to hand over to federals those found to be in the state illegally. Sounds simple on the surface. But the federals have no jail room, so turn them loose if they pass a background criminal check.

All that gets accompolished is conversation.

Now if the legislature will pay for the cost of locking up illegals in locals jails, then they may be onto something.

the watchful eye

February 14th, 2011
8:21 am

There is a BIG price to pay for having illegal aliens in this country whether it is for picking peaches, grapes or whatever else needs picking. In Texas where the state comptroller estimates illegal immigration costs hospitals 1.3 billion in 2006. Texas medical branch in Galveston plans denying cancer health care to illegal aliens. Imagine illegal immigrants coming to the U.S. because the health care is better, what would that do to the Health Care System?

The SOLUTION; have the mega rich FARM COMMUNITY show proof they have every field workers covered with comprehensive medical insuance.

Now, violent crime, illegal immigrants comprise 25% of the federal prison population.
The commit 12% of the felonies, 25% of burglaries, 34% of thefts.

the solution; Have the mega rich FARM COMMUNITY, pay the proportionate share of crime committed by their workers to the total cost of incarceration of illegal immigarants in the prison system.

The solution rests with the far community that needs the cheap labor of illegal immigrants.

Carlosgvv

February 14th, 2011
8:36 am

If the Georgia General Assembly is really serious about this the first thing they should do is establish an independent blue-ribbon commission to find out who is responsible for all these illegals being in Georgia and recommend they face criminal charges. Then they should offer a solution for Georgia to deport as many of these illegals as possible. Finally, they should offer clear-cut ways to prevent this from ever happening again. You say no way this will ever happen. Oh, well, I can dream, can’t I?

jt

February 14th, 2011
8:47 am

Yea ,………..I’m with Anne M-

Mr. Barr does himself a disservice to the cause by headlining “anti-immigrant”.

Anyhoo, law abiding citizens should NOT have to jump through any hoops or comply with ANYMORE stupid laws just because the Federalies have failed to honor one of their FEW enumerated powers.(control the borders).

Be that as it may, I will hire whom I want to, and I will pay whatever we agree upon.And I will seal the deal upon a handshake.

You can keep your stupid E-verify(permission from the federal government to work) craaaaap.

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Truth

February 14th, 2011
9:05 am

You will never deport 20 million people. If you think that you can obviously you are stupid. And on top of that when it cost $13,000.00 to deport one immigrant you Tea Party budget hawks should be screaming bloody murder to leave them alone. Furthermore, the more hateful your attitude toward these people becomes the more determined their 2nd and 3rd generation citizen children will be to exact their revenge on the folks that wanted to deport their mother and father. Politically this issue is a huge loser in the long run for you so called “conservatives”.

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:16 am

“And on top of that when it cost $13,000.00 to deport one ”

Which is still cheaper than Obozo’s health care plan.

“If you think that you can obviously you are stupid.”

Not as stupid as that lame sentence structure.

“Furthermore, the more hateful your attitude toward these people”

You know, I keep hearing you left wingers call everyone hateful for opposing something that is illegal yet I never hear a peep from you gals when illegals rape, steal and murder.

“Politically this issue is a huge loser in the long run for you so called “conservatives”.”

No, not when the majority of American’s want to stop the flow of illegals into this country.

If it’s a “losing” issue then why are more and more states signing on to Arizona’s illegal immigration bill signed by Brewer?

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:17 am

“Why not sue the Feds for damages. ”

They already are.

Arizona sues federal government over Mexico border

(Reuters) – Arizona filed a lawsuit against the federal government on Thursday, alleging that it had failed to provide security along the state’s porous border with Mexico.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/10/us-arizona-immigration-idUSTRE7197GY20110210

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:19 am

“Why not sue the Feds for damages.”

Arizona filed a lawsuit against the federal government on Thursday, alleging that it had failed to provide security along the state’s porous border with Mexico.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/10/us-arizona-immigration-idUSTRE7197GY20110210

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:19 am

“the first thing they should do is establish an independent blue-ribbon commission’

No need to waste tax dollars trying to figure out something that already exists.

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:20 am

“I don’t read Bob often. Now I remember why. It’s like watching paint dry.’

Oh, but you can write a lame comment about someone you don’t “read?”

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:21 am

I would gladly support allowing these illegals to stay here if we could deport every left winger in the country.

hsn

February 14th, 2011
9:28 am

Why are these ‘red’ states trying to create “patches” to immigration laws? Immigration laws are federal laws. AZ tried and it failed. When the same conservatives are telling us the state doesn’t have money, why squander tax dollars on a similar move in AZ that has been quashed?

E-Verify was passed by congress AS A VOLUNTARY TOOL, not a mandatory one. Any business being “FORCED” by the state can challenge the constitutionality of it being “MANDATORY.” If you want to make it mandatory, the sensible thing to do is go through congress.

Even if these immigration “patches” pass at the state level, they will likely not survive the barrage of justified and frivolous lawsuits that will follow them (even when thwy survive their odds of going into effect).

GA taxpayers, somebody is playing with your money!

hsn

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:33 am

“Immigration laws are federal laws.’

Which aren’t enforced. Hence, states suing the federal government.

“AZ tried and it failed. ‘

When did this happen?

“When the same conservatives are telling us the state doesn’t have money, why squander tax dollars on a similar move in AZ that has been quashed? ”

Did too much bong smoke fry what was left of your brain? Obozo sued Arizona for trying to protect itself.

“If you want to make it mandatory, the sensible thing to do is go through congress. ‘

LOLOL!!!!!!

“not survive the barrage of justified and frivolous lawsuits that will follow’

You totally contradicted yourself without even knowing it.

“GA taxpayers, somebody is playing with your money!’

Yeah, his name is Obama.

“hsn’

home shopping network?

Carlosgvv

February 14th, 2011
9:35 am

LA

My comments were for what should have been done long ago. What actually has been and will be done is something else entirely. In other words, look for a lot of hot air and very little action.

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:43 am

Carlosgvv

Yeah, but the people are demanding action now. Look at Arizona and how their governor took action only to be sued by Obama. More states are lining up to join Arizona as well. With the economy the way it is, many illegals are going to be forced to leave on their own.

Broken Obama promises

February 14th, 2011
9:46 am

Hey left wingers,
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lovelyliz

February 14th, 2011
9:51 am

WalMart bears more responsibility for the low wage job market than do immigrants

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:53 am

“WalMart bears more responsibility for the low wage job market than do immigrants”

You don’t understand economics do you. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you never took Econ 101. Am I right or am I right.

Rebecca

February 14th, 2011
9:53 am

Why not reform immigration and close our borders?Until then, this is a huge waste of my taxes. I do not mind them being her at all. In fact the culture is quite enjoyable. Good luck arresting me for my thoughts

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:55 am

lovelyliz

Who makes creates laws, Walmart or government?

LA

February 14th, 2011
9:56 am

“Good luck arresting me for my thoughts”

Careful what you say. Someone might be watching and monitoring your IP address.

Finn McCool

February 14th, 2011
10:04 am

Murphy’s bill carves out a huge exemption for the state’s agricultural community; an obvious attempt to appease the Georgia Farm Bureau

Useless legislation.

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hsn

February 14th, 2011
10:18 am

LA – You can deride people who you disagree with all you want, but state-level immigration “patches” to federal laws are NOT GOING ANYWHERE. Immigration laws are federal laws.

No amount of essays or law suits by the states will change THAT FACT. Good luck!

hsn

DawgDad

February 14th, 2011
10:20 am

I don’t think I could possibly disagree with you more. Try reading the PREAMBLE to the US Constitution in context of illegal immigration. It’s very conservative to take the Constitutio seriously. Yes, these are State laws, but they are needed (1) to supplement Federal Law, in the case of mandating E-Verify, and (2) because the Feds consider you and me boarding a plane on a business trip or vaction to be more of a threat to national security than illegal immigrants.

Our corrupt Federal government has been bought off to turn the other cheek to illegal immigration. They are not fairly representing the working and taxpaying citizens of this country.

I’ve seen E-Verify work, when used. I’ve seen the tangled mess of paperwork a business has to deal with to hire people, and I’ve seen first hand how the system is gamed to get illegal immigrants on the payroll. I’ve processed penalty withholdings and hundreds of 1099’s for unverified workers, and seen all those 1099s returned as undeliverable. The current state of affairs is DISGUSTING at face value and a huge factor in why people don’t trust our government.

LA

February 14th, 2011
10:25 am

“You can deride people who you disagree with all you want, but state-level immigration “patches” to federal laws are NOT GOING ANYWHERE. Immigration laws are federal laws. ”

The federal government isn’t enforcing it’s own laws which prompts states to fend for themselves. Make sense?

“No amount of essays or law suits by the states will change THAT FACT. Good luck!”

Remember, it was Obozo who first decided to sue Arizona over protecting it’s borders. THAT is a fact.

Good luck getting your cult leader re-elected next year. No amount of feel good speeches will get that disaster re-elected.

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Bubba

February 14th, 2011
10:33 am

Immigration reform is the new racism, “let’s” pick on people who can’t fight back”, just look at US history in the 50’s, 80’s, and now. It’s easy to blame someone else for your problems when they can’t respond out of fear.

What’s missing in all the rhetoric are actual numbers supporting the accusations the anti-immigrant lobby throws around, including the politicians who pander for votes. What are the actual costs for housing illegal immigrants in our jails, what are the actual costs for health care, schools, etc? You never see any facts to back up these often repeated sound bites.

There’s a lot of short-sightedness. Take the “no school or scholarships for illegals” bandwagon. Ok, so we save a little money today keeping a high achieving immigrant from getting a scholarship, instead funding a C- student who’ll drop out of college in 2 years anyway. Which one will contribute the most to our economy in 10 or 20 years?

Let’s kick out the bright immigrant scholars so they’ll create jobs and business in their home countries and we can outsource more jobs to other countries in the future!

joe

February 14th, 2011
10:33 am

As if we needed more incentive to have our state legislators pass some tough version of an anti illegal immigration bill, look no further than the 2 illegals who are accused of killing 2 young children (and stabbed a 3rd who is in critical condition) in gwinnett county over the weekend. Both are here illegally as reported by WSB. We need tough laws to rid our country of gun wheeling, knife using, drug running thugs who don’t give a damn about our way of life…and are bringing there way of life to our soil ILLEGALLY.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 14th, 2011
10:41 am

For me the anti-illegal-immigrant legislation is a worthless sentiment. I could not care less if 20 million move to Georgia, so long as they want to work and are willing to learn English.

LA

February 14th, 2011
10:42 am

“Immigration reform is the new racism”

Yet there’s no evidence of that claim. No hosing down Mexican’s in the streets, no hangings etc…

Next……

LA

February 14th, 2011
10:43 am

“I could not care less if 20 million move to Georgia, so long as they want to work and are willing to learn English.”

Tell that to the ones that come here legally and learn our history. Tell that to the ones to did it the right way.

LA

February 14th, 2011
10:44 am

“It’s easy to blame someone else for your problems when they can’t respond out of fear.

HUH? Last time I checked, they had Univision, La Raza and many other media outlets.

ronald

February 14th, 2011
10:51 am

Bob- I’m very disappointed to hear your views on this subject. As you well know, the federal gov’t does NOTHING to prevent illegals from taking up space in our hospital emergency rooms (at Ga taxpayers expense). Children of illegals clog up our school systems with non-English speaking children (which places additional financial burdens on local school systems). And what about the real cost of illegals- Look no further than drug-infested Gwinnet County.

And you suggest just sitting back and waiting for the US House to fix it?? Thats silly, Bob. You and I both know they will do nothing.

I fully support Matt Ramsey’s plan. We also need to get rid of “fake” conservatives like Saxby Chambliss who will ultimately stand in the way of real progress of ridding our state of illegals.

killerj

February 14th, 2011
10:55 am

“No one has to pay their taxes only if you want to”!…..can,t have it both ways Bob,if they don,t,I don,t. Go Tea Party.

ronald

February 14th, 2011
11:11 am

The true fiscal conservative GOP in this state doesn’t want illegals (of any kind) in Georgia.

South Georgia farmers can go back to the Democratic party if they want to. The farmers are selling their soul to the devil if they want loose immigration laws to finance their ag business models. I saw SCREW EM….

Carlosgvv

February 14th, 2011
11:14 am

LA

It is true the people are demanding action now. It’s also true that greedy corporations and bleeding-heart liberals are demanding the illegals stay. So, how do you see this turning out?
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LA

February 14th, 2011
11:26 am

“So, how do you see this turning out?”

Enough people are demanding that states enact laws like Arizona did. People are sick of the fed not enforcing it’s own laws.

Democrats want illegals here because they want new votes. They’ve lost the independents etc. If you look at where voters are trending, women are leaning more towards the GOP now. White men have totally been alienated by the Dems and left a long time ago. Blacks will mostly vote Dem but there has been a trend of some of them leaving. With more and more black conservatives on the rise, you will see blacks look at them closely.

Republicans, the Mccain type that is, want illegals here because they provide cheap labor.

With the economy the way it is, illegals are going to leave because of lack of jobs.

The main reason I am sick of it is because they don’t pay income taxes and are a drain on the system financially. I have no problem with people coming here to work because their own country is terrible. If you look at the health care system, illegals flood ER’s and drive up costs at taxpayer expense.

LA

February 14th, 2011
11:30 am

“It’s also true that greedy corporations and bleeding-heart liberals are demanding the illegals stay. ”

The reason corporations want them to stay is because of unions/taxes driving up costs all over the US. Jobs left years ago because of NAFTA. A lot of companies are heading to the south because it’s cheaper to operate and the south is business friendly. Also, unions don’t have a huge presence like they do in the north and midwest. Just look at Illinois, Michigan and Ohio. Unions and high taxes ran companies out of the state.

Libs just want chaos. I mean, the ones I’ve spoken with don’t really have an answer as to why they want illegals here other than to cause confusion and mess up the system. Just look at some of Cynthia Tuckers copy and paste columns and you’ll see where she never offers any solution to any problem.

Vickie

February 14th, 2011
11:51 am

How anyone can justify the outrage and abuse being perpetuated on the American taxpayers by those who insist on telling this country what we can do for them is totally beyond me. Political correctness has crossed the line into some form of insanity.

ronald

February 14th, 2011
12:15 pm

I see the Georgia Tea Party funding a campaign to oust Saxby Chambliss and the other fake GOP members in the near future.

Saxby- If you’re reading this, beware of standing in the way of immigration reform. It will come back to bite you…

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Brittanicus

February 14th, 2011
12:35 pm

States are frustrated with the federal government, for a failure to halt the unceasing movement of foreign nationals across the border or entering America through airline terminals. So States are taken it upon themselves, to halt this pandemic of cheap labor with their families, who think it a right that they can not only take jobs from lower income American workers, but also raid the social welfare safety net. The Great immigration War began in the hard hit border State of Arizona, who are already harassed by their own administration, but also the radical open border nuts. Except now the illegal immigrant problem is spreading and not confined to the Border States anymore. Each State resident are speaking out and demanding Legislative bills, to reduce the infestation. With Arizona, Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana, Florida and others either enacting restraining immigration bills or mauling over ways to combat the invasion, the outward bound movement of illegal immigrants is beginning to highlight itself.

Unable to sustain the support of social services for foreign nationals anymore, laws have been introduced in State Capitols. This is causing uproar amongst Liberal progressives and the radical assemblies but losing in their agenda of “Political Correctness.” The great outcome is that interior State lawmakers are recognizing the powerful punch of E-Verify enforcement for Businesses that before could easily exploit foreign workers, but now are more than likely to be fined; with incurable offenders being sentenced to prison. The policing laws 287 G have been enable officers to question any person on the immigration status and a strong deterrent and gaining more acceptance. We have all heard from the Liberal parrots about the mass exodus from Arizona as illegal foreign nationals evacuating the Canyon state. But I see this as a nationwide forecast as hundreds of thousands more driven by fear of discovery, pack their vehicles and head for more comfortable less enforced locations environments such as the Sanctuary State of California, Nevada, Utah and more flexible states.

This immigration travesty has been a dangerous dilemma for California and associated States as it’s already hemorrhaging profusely from public entitlement programs with the extreme left Sacramento lawmakers freely giving out welfare benefits. This is not just the legacy of California, but Nevada, Utah, Colorado of any number of States who are now suffering from the influx of freeloaders with the billions of dollars spent keep rising. Join the pro-sovereignty organization such as NumbersUSA who allows free faxes to your lawmakers. Above all else place a call with the federal switchboard at 202-224-3121. Ask to be connected to your Senate or Representative and speak your mind. Americans must order E-Verify mandated worker authentication system compliant with the I-9 form nationwide, with no exemptions. Learn much more about illegal immigration costs, corruption and overpopulation future by reading in pdf format, “The Ethics of immigration” http://tinyurl.com/4jx624l and in addition the “The fiscal burden of illegal Immigration on taxpayers” at http://tinyurl.com/34klfgd
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DawgDad

February 14th, 2011
1:07 pm

Bubba, your generalization casting me and others of my ilk as racist is a total non-starter. I am offended by your rhetoric; it is sophomoric. You know not of what you speak.

What about the profiteers and labor racketeers who support illegal immigration and the exploitation of the illegals for nothing more than their own personal benefit? You have nothing to say about THEM in terms of being “racist”, yet you throw that loaded term around at people who look at this corrupt system and say “ENOUGH ALREADY”. None of this has anything to do with racism; the profiteers and labor racketeers will exploit anybody they can and the anti-illegal-immigration crowd just wants all this nonsense to stop.

Shame on you.

LA

February 14th, 2011
1:19 pm

DawgDad

It’s all these guys/gals have left. When the left can’t argue facts, they name call and label their opponents. Consider the battle won when they resort to calling you/I a racist.

Supreme Being

February 14th, 2011
1:39 pm

I suppose there is a positive side to the President’s lame economic policies and theories, the lack of jobs is going to drive a lot of illegals back to where they came from.

LA

February 14th, 2011
1:40 pm

Gotta love it when left wingers try to explain the current debt as Bush’s fault.

Debt now equals total U.S. economy

President Obama projects that the gross federal debt will top $15 trillion this year, officially equalling the size of the entire U.S. economy, and will jump to nearly $21 trillion in five years’ time.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/14/debt-now-equals-total-us-economy/

LA

February 14th, 2011
1:41 pm

Supreme Being

You and I are on the same page!

Nope, not this time

February 14th, 2011
1:44 pm

They come to this country and the first thing they do is spit out a kid. That allows them welfare, medicaid, free schooling and food stamps. They dont pay taxes and they dont spend a lot of money in the general community. They spend their money at other illegals shops and stores and tall that money goes back to the families in Mexico.

So while the farmers are crying out loud that they cant get someone to pick their crops at 9.15 per hour (and I know a lot of people out of work that would work for that) they are causing our economy to spend billions in social services and medical as well as draining our education sytems. They have put our local construction people who are trying to put Americans to work out of business and these homes they are building are not good ones. Just ask anyone who has bought one and then ask them about the warranty they are offered. Is it good.

You want to work the farms there are many welfare people who can do that. Let the farmers pay that money to the state for welfare frauds to work. Once they have to pick crops they will soon fine the employment lines. If thats not enough, then you can go to the prisions. Let them earn their own way. Let the farmers pay the criminals (non-violent). There is a way to fix this system, the government just wants to continue to use and abuse the American taxpayer. When is enough enough?

LA

February 14th, 2011
1:48 pm

“first thing they do is spit out a kid. That allows them welfare, medicaid, free schooling and food stamps. They dont pay taxes and they dont spend a lot of money in the general community. ”

Sounds just like another “culture” in this country. One that resides in heavily crime infested areas.

Ralph

February 14th, 2011
1:48 pm

why the sudden rush of anti immigration and enacting of legislation? The GOP was in the white house from 1980-1992, and 2000-2008 (Reagan and Bush(s). Where was the tea party and republican fervor then? Illegal immigration was a problem then, but no one said crap. Oh wait, let us take it out on the current president. If you want to blame the federal government and current presidential administration fine, but realize and admit that it was your own GOP dominated presidency for 20 of the past 30 years ( 1980-1992 & 2000-2008) that failed to do anything. Where was Senator Rogers and the Georgia GOP then? were they not concerned then?

LA

February 14th, 2011
1:51 pm

“Oh wait, let us take it out on the current president.”

Since he is currently suing Arizona……

TnGelding

February 14th, 2011
1:55 pm

We need them as much as they need us. Our children and grandchildren aren’t willing to do the menial jobs we were happy to do. Who cares what it costs? What’s it costing us now? Nobody really knows. But it is requiring us to compromise our principles. Let those that come forward and identify themselves stay on indefinite work visas, but go after and deport the ones that don’t.

LA

February 14th, 2011
2:00 pm

“We need them as much as they need us.”

No we don’t. I can cut my own lawn, paint my own house etc…

“Our children and grandchildren aren’t willing to do the menial jobs we were happy to do.”

Must suck to be in your family. In my family we all worked jobs to pay our way through college etc. There is no shame in working in fast food etc to gain job skills and learn about the work world. Just because you are ashamed of working those kinds of jobs doesn’t mean the rest of America is.

“Who cares what it costs?”

Uh….taxpayers do.

“What’s it costing us now?”

Lots.

“Let those that come forward and identify themselves stay on indefinite work visas”

Nope, illegal is illegal. If they want to become citizens and work in this country, they can do it the way immigrants have done it for decades.

You Distort/We Deride

February 14th, 2011
2:03 pm

Why don’t we start with some baby steps? Like, for instance, passing a law declaring English to be the official language of the state? How about a bill that denies state-funded health care, or financial aid to college students, to illegal immigrants?

And then, while they’re at it, how about ENFORCING the laws already on the books for God’s sake.

hsn

February 14th, 2011
2:07 pm

“The federal government isn’t enforcing it’s own laws which prompts states to fend for themselves. Make sense?”

NO, IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE! If the federal govt. is not enforcing its own laws, there are constitutional proccesses to follow, such as changing the laws to make them enforceable by states through CONGRESS. But these red states find that constitutional process sooo pesky! Creating immigration “patches” in the name of “fending for yourself” and then wondering why you are being sued by the federal govt. itself describes the IQ of these states.
There are several federal laws that are not being enforcement. Why haven’t these red states created their own enforcement “patches,” huh?

“Remember, it was Obozo who first decided to sue Arizona over protecting it’s borders. THAT is a fact.”

YES, the Justice Department of the Federal Government of the United States had to sue AZ because it was overstepping its bounds by UNCONSTITUTIONALLY creating “patches” to Federal Immigration laws which AZ (a mere state) had no business of doing. Make sense?

“Good luck getting your cult leader re-elected next year. No amount of feel good speeches will get that disaster re-elected.”

Yeah, this coming from someone who voted twice for Bush… I am laughing in block letters!

hsn

Liberal Hating Con/Con Hating Liberal

February 14th, 2011
2:08 pm

And for those of you somehow trying to make this a conservative versus liberal issue, please be reminded that both parties seek benefits from allowing the illegals to remain in the country. This is an issue that has transcended party and President and Congress for decades. It just goes to show how willing everyone is to turn everything into a Democrat vs. Republican debate.

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LA

February 14th, 2011
2:32 pm

“such as changing the laws to make them enforceable by states’

With the country going bankrupt, the federal government doesn’t have the manpower.

“But these red states find that constitutional process sooo pesky!”

Ever been to Illinois? They have so many laws and yet their crime/corruption is out of control. For instance, they have the strictest gun laws in the union yet they have the highest gun crime in the country.

“Why haven’t these red states created their own enforcement “patches,” huh? ‘

Arizona tried and it got sued by Obozo.

“YES, the Justice Department of the Federal Government of the United States had to sue AZ because it was overstepping its bounds by UNCONSTITUTIONALLY’

Not sure how it was overstepping its bounds. I mean, the federal government is supposed to do secure the borders and protect its citizens.

“Make sense?”

No

“Yeah, this coming from someone who voted twice for Bush… I am laughing in block letters!”

Bush was terrible at immigration. He was not terrible when it came to the economy.

Good luck in 12.

LA

February 14th, 2011
2:34 pm

“It just goes to show how willing everyone is to turn everything into a Democrat vs. Republican debate.’

Kind of hard not to when neither party did anything about illegal immigration.

chef pierre

February 14th, 2011
2:34 pm

Republicans hire more illegalls than any other political party ,then profess they are for deporting them, just the same old GOP crap to apease their lunactic so called christan bible thumpming AK carrying tea bagging haters….

LA

February 14th, 2011
2:37 pm

“Yeah, this coming from someone who voted twice for Bush”

Bush has been vindicated. Obama continues several of Bush’s policies.

Two wars – CHECK
Gitmo opened – CHECK
Bush tax cuts extended – CHECK

LA

February 14th, 2011
2:38 pm

“Republicans hire more illegalls than any other political party”

Got anything to back that up?

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Latina & Legal

February 14th, 2011
3:04 pm

THANK YOU Chef Pierre–the Republicans are the biggest illegal worker employers in this country.

My question is this: Who is going to work the crops in the farms? Whites feel that this type of work is degrading and Blacks will cry “slavery” all over again.

EducatedBlackMan

February 14th, 2011
3:05 pm

first thing they do is spit out a kid. That allows them welfare, medicaid, free schooling and food stamps. They dont pay taxes and they dont spend a lot of money in the general community. ”

“Sounds just like another “culture” in this country. One that resides in heavily crime infested areas.”

So you must be talking about poor white America because there are more white americans on welfare than anyone else. Do some research for once before you make a blind dumb statement. Immigration reform is bigger than politics its about MONEY. Unless you are ready to pay 7 dollars for a pack of tomatoes or 5 dollars for a pack of corn then kill the conversation. Corporate america is just as wrong as the government for allowing so called “illegal” immigrants to work here. So what does that really say about American business then?? They could a rats …..about you, corporate america will pay someone a lower wage who doesnt require all the benefits like insurance, 401k, etc than to hire you which in turn will drive the price of food through the roof….It’s funny how only in the South Immigration reform is being pushed like this against a certain race, I wonder why??? There are people coming into this country illegally from every corner of this nation. Only in the South does it take precedent over matters that are really important such as education reform, transportation reform, health care, etc…Are jails and prisons are overcrowded now and the state is barely able to keep them funded so what sense does it make to continue to fill them up??????? Im so ready to leave this backwards thinking state.

EducatedBlackMan

February 14th, 2011
3:06 pm

My comments were directed to LA, btw.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:12 pm

“So you must be talking about poor white America because there are more white americans on welfare than anyone else. Do some research for once before you make a blind dumb statement.”

Nope, I’m talking about poor black people who rely on the federal government.

“Unless you are ready to pay 7 dollars for a pack of tomatoes or 5 dollars for a pack of corn then kill the conversation. ”

Or I could just grow my own.

“It’s funny how only in the South Immigration reform is being pushed like this against a certain race, I wonder why??? ‘

Funny, I had no idea Arizona, Texas and New Mexico were in the south. Also, who is coming here illegally more than any other people? Mexicans.

“Only in the South does it take precedent over matters that are really important such as education reform, transportation reform, health care, etc”

Public schools are a disaster which has nothing to do with the south. Transportation? You mean like MARTA? LOL

“Are jails and prisons are overcrowded now and the state is barely able to keep them funded so what sense does it make to continue to fill them up?”

Blacks fill up more jails and prisons than any other race.

“Im so ready to leave this backwards thinking state.’

Delta is ready when you are.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:14 pm

“Do some research for once before you make a blind dumb statement.’

I did, black man. Not sure what was “dumb” about my comments because they are true.

Latina & Legal

February 14th, 2011
3:16 pm

The anti illegal immigration is a racist hidden message of anti-Mexican sentiments. I don’t here anyone angry or fed up with all the illegal immigation of the Dominicans, Venezuelans, Colombians, Canadians, Chinese, Indians, Jamaicans, Haitians, Koreans or Brazilians. These too enter/stay in the country illegally but are able to “blend” into the American populations easier.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:18 pm

“The anti illegal immigration is a racist hidden message of anti-Mexican sentiments. ‘

Blah blah blah blah blah.

“I don’t here anyone angry ‘

It’s hear, not here. Maybe you should focus on studying up on your English before complaining.

“These too enter/stay in the country illegally but are able to “blend” into the American populations easier.’

Yeah, I’m sure a Chinese man will blend in faster…….LOL

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Zach

February 14th, 2011
3:24 pm

Terrific column! There is a difference between civic-minded legislating and self-serving posturing. And we too often fail to recognize that distinction. Thanks for providing a clear picture of the process.

Latina & Legal

February 14th, 2011
3:25 pm

LA you know exactly what I meant. Perhaps if you start educating yourself some more about other cultures and countries beyond your little bubble, then you would comprehend the message I am conveying. By the way, a typo is not an indicator of a person’s knowledge or education. For your information, I have a Master’s Degree (and not from an online college); from the content of your posts, your vocabulary level is one of an 8th grader and indicative of an individuals who has not received a higher educational level of instruction. By the way, are you upset by all the Chinese illegals in this country or not?

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:30 pm

“Perhaps if you start educating yourself some more ”

Maybe you should educate yourself on AMERICAN laws.

“By the way, a typo is not an indicator of a person’s knowledge or education.’

That wasn’t a typo. It was bad grammar.

“For your information, I have a Master’s Degree”

So do I.

“rom the content of your posts, your vocabulary level is one of an 8th grader and indicative of an individuals who has not received a higher educational level of instruction.’

LOL!!!!!! Ok, what did I write that is equivalent of an 8th grader?

“By the way, are you upset by all the Chinese illegals in this country or not?’

I’m upset that the government allows ANY group of people to be here illegally.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:31 pm

“from the content of your posts, your vocabulary level is one of an 8th grader and indicative of an individuals who has not received a higher educational level of instruction.

Ma’am, I will run circles around your small brain. You have the IQ of a carrot.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:32 pm

“I have a Master’s Degree”

Uh huh, and I am the president of Mars.

Latina & Legal

February 14th, 2011
3:33 pm

You also sound like you are lacking a whole lot of sex, Sir.

Latina & Legal

February 14th, 2011
3:34 pm

Let me not say what small thing of yours I would run around circles.LOL

Nope, not this time

February 14th, 2011
3:34 pm

LA……No thats called GENERATIONAL WELFARE…………….
Those are the ones I said could go pick the vegetables lol.

Glad to know someone else is sick as I am over this. Oh and one question; why are we paying for welfare people to have big screen TV’s and cell phones? Welfare was started as a helping hand in times of trouble, not a means of support.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

“The anti illegal immigration is a racist hidden message of anti-Mexican sentiments. ”

Ok, for someone who claims to have a masters and also claims that I have an 8th grade education, your sentence structuring is HORRIBLE.

“I don’t here anyone angry or fed up with all’

Again, that is not a typo. Not knowing the difference between HERE and HEAR makes me think that you are one big fat lying Latino.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:36 pm

“You also sound like you are lacking a whole lot of sex, Sir.’

LOL!!!! Gotta love stupid people!

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:37 pm

“Let me not say what small thing of yours I would run around circles.LOL’

Talk about BAD sentence structure. What were you lying about? Oh yeah, having a masters degree.

Latina & Legal

February 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

Do you know the difference between a bigot and someone that’s jsut plain ignorant. Again, sounds like you are lacking a social/dating life. And by the way I am a Latina-woman, not man. Or do you not know the grammatical difference between those two words?

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

“why are we paying for welfare people to have big screen TV’s and cell phones?’

Because that’s how most democrats get their votes.

Here is a great example of the type of people who voted for Obozo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

TELL THE REAL TRUTH FOR ONCE.

February 14th, 2011
3:40 pm

Hate to tell you something there EducatedBlackMan BUT these people are not paying illegals 5 or 6 dollars per hour. They are paying a lot of them upwards of 25 to 30 per hour in some jobs. These ARE jobs that Americans do want but cant get because the government takes care of everyone EXCEPT THE TAXPAYER who has no rights at all anymore. We are to busy paying welfare and social programs, housing and medical on people who can work but simply dont want to. Whats up with that? Oh and go look again when you say whites are more on welfare then blacks. Yes there are whites on welfare but the general black population continues to have kid after kid after kid on the system while the white folk stop at one. Thus the spending is much higher in the black community.

I do my homework!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Latina & Legal

February 14th, 2011
3:41 pm

Don’t worry about my sentence structure, and worry about filling the deep and wide void that you are obviously suffering from. Adios!

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:41 pm

“Do you know the difference between a bigot and someone that’s jsut plain ignorant.

Again with the poor grammar. Why can’t you construct a coherent sentence? Also, when you ask a question you should end the sentence with a QUESTION MARK.

“Again, sounds like you are lacking a social/dating life.”

I’m married, troglodyte. Besides, it sounds like you are more interested in my sex life than you are with your own illegal race.

“And by the way I am a Latina-woman, not man.”

No kidding. That’s why I referred to you as MA’AM, troglodyte.

“Or do you not know the grammatical difference between those two words?’

Says the person who doesn’t know what HEAR means.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:42 pm

“Don’t worry about my sentence structure, and worry about filling the deep and wide void that you are obviously suffering from. Adios!’

You are a disgrace to every illegal who illegally enters America. Adios, troglodyte.

LA

February 14th, 2011
3:43 pm

“Don’t worry about my sentence structure’

Not worried. Just calling you out for being a liar.

“worry about filling the deep and wide void that you are obviously suffering from.’

That’s no way to talk about your mom.

Latina & ILLegal

February 14th, 2011
3:44 pm

Latina & Legal

You are a disgrace to all Mexicans who come here legally. I mean really, getting your masters in taco making doesn’t make you smarter than anyone else.

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EducatedBlackMan

February 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

LA give the proof, show me statistics…….I will wait………you can’t because it’s not true. It’s obvious who you are which is of no surprise. So here are my statistics to back my statements. Bc if you do some research welfare was created for whites only back in the day, blacks couldn’t receive public assistance. Only smart people have evidence to prove their point. Also there more white men are in jail than any other race. Check below

TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families)
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/data-reports/annualreport8/chapter10/chap10.htm#5

Two of three TANF adult recipients were members of minority groups. Thirty-eight percent of adult recipients were white, 37 percent were African-American, 20 percent were Hispanic, 1.7 percent were Asian, and 1.5 percent were Native American. Most TANF adult recipients were U.S. citizens. There were about 60,000 non-citizens (i.e., 5.9 percent of TANF adults) residing legally in this country.

Check the link about to verify.

Now to Crime Statistics. Federal Bureau of Prisons report
http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#2

Inmates By Race
White: 121,045 (57.7 %)
Black: 81,445 (38.8 %)
Native American: 3,760 (1.8 %)
Asian: 3,520 (1.7 %)

Current as of December 2010, check the link above to verify.

So LA where is your proof??? Any more dumb assumptions you want to make??? Make informed and educated statements with evidence or you sound like a fool when proven wrong.

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EducatedBlackMan

February 14th, 2011
4:04 pm

Ok Tell the Truth for Once…your point is??? Because you obviously didn’t make one. If you know anything about economics and business you would know its cheaper to pay some 20-25 dollars an hour and pay no kind of insurance, healthcare or 401k than it is to pay you the legal way. Again welfare and socialized public assistance programs were created for poor Whites back in the day, do your research, no other minority groups were even allowed to receive any kind of assistance. Over time things slowly changed. I will give you the statistics below to show there are more whites on public assistance than blacks, thats the original arguement here. Check TANF below. And who is the general black population??? Because I don’t have any kids nor am I on public assistance. White folks stop at one child really, please show me the statistics on that. Spending much higher in the black community, show me the statistics on that. Back up your statements with proof if not your point is only an opinion not fact. I keep hearing “these are jobs Americans can do” then why aren’t you all out there doing them??? Exactly because the average American won’t go pick fruits, vegetables, do any kind of hard labor nowadays. Don’t be mad at so called “illegal immigrants” boycott the companies that employ them, oh but that requires you to do some research to find who is doing the illegal hiring. I’m sure Wal-Mart is doing it, so boycott them and probably most Fortune 500 companies who operate manufacturing plants of some kind here. I can’t stand ignorance.

TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families)
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/data-reports/annualreport8/chapter10/chap10.htm#5

Two of three TANF adult recipients were members of minority groups. Thirty-eight percent of adult recipients were white, 37 percent were African-American, 20 percent were Hispanic, 1.7 percent were Asian, and 1.5 percent were Native American. Most TANF adult recipients were U.S. citizens. There were about 60,000 non-citizens (i.e., 5.9 percent of TANF adults) residing legally in this country.

Halibut

February 14th, 2011
4:15 pm

“it is interesting to witness so many Republican legislators who profess allegiance to principles of federalism and more limited government police power”. Not quite the case Mr. Barr. There are a number of areas where most Americans (not just Republicans) want more federal intervention; one of those is immigration law enforcement. The feds have been missing in action there.

Hateisnottheanswer

February 14th, 2011
4:17 pm

Dear LA: – If you can be a little objective in all your comments that would be much appreciated. You don’t have to answer to ALL comments written by other people that are as US citizens as you are. They have their own opinions and right to vote for or against the law. The same right you have. You don’t need to make fun or discredit their opinions. If you support the idea of this law, then support it by real numbers and real facts. Do not not support or try to sell this law by putting stereotyping ideas of all immigrants in the minds of others reading this article. I have read all your comments and the way you put the actions of some immigrants does not mean they are all the same, not even the majority of them. Assuming that ALL illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes is IGNORANT. There are a lot of illegal immigrants who pay taxes, and you have to admit that. Well, may be you didn’t know that FACT. Also, to my knowledge, every time I buy food, clothes, services, even a soft drink at a gas station I have to pay taxes. I didn’t know illegal immigrants had the privilege of avoiding this kind of taxes.

Now, focusing to another comment, the one about passing a law declaring English to be the official language of the state? (not an LA comment)…this really hit my intelligence. I can’t believe there are people that feel so proud of speaking only ONE language in this country. Don’t they know the more languages they know the better? Limiting your country or state to ONE language limits the capabilities, skills and intelligence of your own people. We want a law to admit “Yes, we AMERICANS are ingorant enough to speak only English. We don’t want another official language”. We should leave it as it is, OPEN to anybody. If I want to speak 2, 3 or more languages, I will! Don’t impose me which one should be my official language. Please take Canada or Europe as an example, even Latinamerican countries. Why we expect everybody to speak English, and we can’t even say a word in other language when we leave the US? Oh right! We don’t ever leave the US, because only 30% of Americans have passports. Such a low number for such a rich country. That’s why we have the image of AMERICANS=IGNORANTS around the world. Thanks to people that made the comment about passing a law to make English the official language.

We do need an immigration law, but well written and executed. Not a low based on thoughts of haters, based on fair of losing power. We need a law based on facts and costs. The biggest fair in this country is that the power is not under the white man anymore, the power is diminishing from his hands. The power in this country is now shared among whites, blacks, asians, indians, europeans, etc. That is the real power of a country, when is on the hands of all the people. We are all Americans, regardless of the color or race. Even the children of all those illegal immigrants that everybody is hating now, they ARE Americans (like it or not) and when passing a law their rights should be under consideration too. That’s a fact and you can erase it. Unless you can take back time.

(LA: Please don’t reply to me. It would be so disrespectful. Learn to read others’ opinions).

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:17 pm

“Because you obviously didn’t make one. ”

Not my problem if you can’t read.

“Again welfare and socialized public assistance programs were created for poor Whites back in the day,’

Hi black man, welcome to 2011.

“Because I don’t have any kids nor am I on public assistance.’

Then again, I wasn’t referring to you as being on welfare. Can you read?

“White folks stop at one child really, please show me the statistics on that.”

Your words not mine.

“I keep hearing “these are jobs Americans can do” then why aren’t you all out there doing them??? ‘

Who is “you all?”

“Exactly because the average American won’t go pick fruits, vegetables, do any kind of hard labor nowadays. ”

You sound like Jesse Jackson.

“I can’t stand ignorance.”

Then how do you look at yourself in the mirror?

Check TANF below.

The data discussed in this chapter are limited to those who received assistance at some time during
Fiscal Year (FY) 2006.

That data is 5 years old. FIVE YEARS OLD!

EducatedBlackMan

February 14th, 2011
4:19 pm

LA where did you go???

EducatedBlackMan

February 14th, 2011
4:23 pm

LA…..if you can read those statements were directed to Tell the Truth for Once. I was responding to his statement, you obviously can’t read. Well find the current statistics then on TANF, show how smart you can be.

Hateisnottheanswer

February 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

Revisions to my comment: (Sorry for my typos. YES, they are JUST typos, not because I don’t speak English. Because in discussions like these ones people get attacked even for typos)

*We do need an immigration law, but well written and executed. Not a LAW based on thoughts of haters, based on fair of losing power

*My last line meant to be: That’s a fact and you CAN’T erase it. Unless you can take back time.

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:26 pm

“Assuming that ALL illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes is IGNORANT. ”

They don’t pay income taxes nor do they pay into SS.

“Also, to my knowledge, every time I buy food, clothes, services, even a soft drink at a gas station I have to pay taxes.”

Yep, and they don’t pay income taxes nor do they pay into SS. They don’t pay for Medicaid etc…

“I can’t believe there are people that feel so proud of speaking only ONE language in this country.’

Yeah gee, imagine that. Imagine that the official language in Mexico is Spanish, French in France, German in Germany, Mandarin in China…..

Yep, imagine that.

“Such a low number for such a rich country.’

Yeah, that’s what happens when you are the greatest country on Earth. Not many people dying to get into North Korea, Cuba or Iran….

“That’s why we have the image of AMERICANS=IGNORANTS around the world.’

We also have the “PLEASE HELP US BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING OUR ASSES KICKED BY NAZIS” image as well.

“Not a low based on thoughts of haters, based on fair of losing power. ‘

A low based on fair of losing power??????????????? English fail.

“The biggest fair in this country is that the power is not under the white man anymore”

FEAR!!!!!!!! Dude, seriously, re-re-take remedial English. Sounds like you hate white people.

“That’s a fact and you can erase it.’

Yes, we CAN erase it.

“(LA: Please don’t reply to me. It would be so disrespectful. Learn to read others’ opinions).’

I just did and there is nothing you can do about it. Disrespectful? Sorry but I don’t respect you in the first place.

Go sell stupid somewhere else.

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:27 pm

“LA where did you go???”

Right here, black.

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:28 pm

“I was responding to his statement, you obviously can’t read. ”

Oh I can read, ma’am. I can read and respond to your asinine comments as I so choose.

“Well find the current statistics then on TANF, show how smart you can be.’

I don’t consider stats from 5 years ago to be current.

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:31 pm

“Sorry for my typos. YES, they are JUST typos’

You must not know what a typo is.

EXAMPLE: SPLL. I left out the E. That is a typo.

Your misusing of fair and fear is not a typo.

Make sense?

“Because in discussions like these ones ”

Now that is called bad English. These ones?

“Not a LAW based on thoughts of haters, based on fair of losing power”

Yeah, again, you messed up. It’s FEAR and not fair. Make sense, troglodyte?

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:32 pm

Hateisnottheanswer

If America sucks, like you claim, why do other countries come to us for military, humanitarian and financial aid?

lovelyliz

February 14th, 2011
4:37 pm

Getting rid of every immigrant in the USA will not bring back one job from China

lovelyliz

February 14th, 2011
4:39 pm

LA, I actually took several accounting classes, but I also know people who have had business dealings with Wal-Mart. What I said stands.

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:39 pm

“Getting rid of every immigrant in the USA will not bring back one job from China’

No, that would require lower corporate taxes and getting rid of unions.

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:40 pm

“I actually took several accounting classes, but I also know people who have had business dealings with Wal-Mart. What I said stands.’

No it doesn’t. Walmart doesn’t make laws.

ronald

February 14th, 2011
4:41 pm

Bob – No one is going to follow your blogs unless you actually participate in them. Been gone all day? Jeez, even that moron Cynthia Tucker responds once or twice.

LA

February 14th, 2011
4:46 pm

“Jeez, even that moron Cynthia Tucker responds once or twice.’

Yeah, usually to kick people off of her blog for calling her out.

Hateisnottheanswer

February 14th, 2011
5:02 pm

“Assuming that ALL illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes is IGNORANT. ”

They don’t pay income taxes nor do they pay into SS.

Oops, YES, they pay the so called Income Taxes. Even with a TIN, you pay income taxes as self-employed. You pay to the state and the fed government. You pay to the SS too. And since it seems that you don’t know, all those taxes paid to the SS under a TIN don’t ever get claimed. So the SS uses all that money to allocate it who knows to what. Illegal immigrants are only able to claim all that money paid to SS,medicaid, etc when they legalize their immigration status. There is a process to transfer all that money under that TIN to a social security number. That’s why illegal immigrants that have the option to legalize their situation pay taxes, so they can later put it under their social. So don’t tell me they don’t pay income taxes when there are people doing this every day and OUR country has processes established to do so.

How do you know I don’t like white people? how do you know I’m not white? who do you know I don’t have a white mother or father? Your only true is that you are racist, that’s why you try to impose laws like this one to your own people.

FEAR!!!!!!!! Re-re-re take English…please tell me Mr. LA how many languages can you read, write, listen to as a Native speaker? sorry about my typo, I totally missed that…but it doesn’t mean I don’t read or write English. I think you were able to understand everything I wrote. Do you know how many Americans can’t write English and they are AMERICANS? They aren’t less smart than you or less Americans than you because of that.

Yeah gee, imagine that. Imagine that the official language in Mexico is Spanish, French in France, German in Germany, Mandarin in China….. (Darling that’s not under their constitution…that’s what I meant)

~Yeah, that’s what happens when you are the greatest country on Earth. Not many people dying to get into North Korea, Cuba or Iran~

I love my country and I’m proud of it too, but saying that we are the greatest country on Earth is not true. We have issues/problems to solve like any other country. That’s why we are intereacting here, right? This is not a response to a 30% of a 308+ people country, with incomes higher than in Europe and Canada. UK with 80% and Canada with 65% of people with passports. That just demonstrates how closed minded we are. That’s a fact of our society and we have to fix it.

~I just did and there is nothing you can do about it. Disrespectful? Sorry but I don’t respect you in the first place. ~
It’s totally fine if you don’t respect me. That shows how well educated you are. I DO respect you because you are a human being that have an opinion and a voice. To make this country great the opinions of EVERYBODY should count, not only a few, not only mine. That’s why I respect you, because you love this country as much as I do. That’s a common feeling and we can’t fight over that.

Dear EducadtedBlackMan: Thaks for all information shared in your comments. I have learned some facts I didn’t know. Don’t lose it against LA, when people can’t face with facts and true they attack with insults and disrespect. Oh well, he/she doesn’t respect us…I guess he is trying to convince aliens then? If he doesn’t respect the people of his/her own country then why is this person worrying about supporting this or any law for the people he doesn’t respect at all? It doesn’t make sense. You won’t change this person’s mind. What frustrates me tough is that he pass this kind of hate to other that may not have any knowledge in this or other type of topic. Spend your time sharing your point of view with people that are worth it. I like your comments.

Hateisnottheanswer

February 14th, 2011
5:12 pm

~ If America sucks, like you claim, why do other countries come to us for military, humanitarian and financial aid?~

Please show me where I put: “I think America sucks” …I didn’t put that anywhere in my posting. I just stated facts of our society and how we are perceived outside by regular people as we are. I’m talking about humanitarian or military help. Those are issues involving the governments and related to bilateral relationships.

Well have a good day everybody. We won’t fix the immigration problem. This problem is transfered from president to president and who knows when this will get fixed. Wish the best for the country and ALL Americans, including the American children of illegal immigrants. They are part of this society now. Take care.

LA

February 14th, 2011
5:15 pm

“Oops, YES, they pay the so called Income Taxes. Even with a TIN, you pay income taxes as self-employed. You pay to the state and the fed government. ‘

No, you don’t if you are illegal.

“That’s why illegal immigrants that have the option to legalize their situation pay taxes, so they can later put it under their social.”

Yeah, I’m sure that happens. LOL

“So don’t tell me they don’t pay income taxes ”

They don’t. Not my problem if you can’t accept reality.

“How do you know I don’t like white people? ‘

Same reason you assume that I am white.

“how do you know I’m not white? ‘

Gee, I don’t know. Maybe I read your blog handle?

“Your only true is that you are racist, that’s why you try to impose laws like this one to your own people.’

Wow, not only did you totally contradict yourself but you also look like an ass in the process. Nice job, blackey!.

“please tell me Mr. LA how many languages can you read, write, listen to as a Native speaker?’

English and some Mandarin.

“Do you know how many Americans can’t write English and they are AMERICANS? ‘

Yes, you for instance.

“but saying that we are the greatest country on Earth is not true. ‘

Name one country that has been as generous or more generous with money and humanitarian aid. ONE. There aren’t any. Sucks to be you.

“UK with 80% and Canada with 65% of people with passports. That just demonstrates how closed minded we are.”

No, it means that people here are happy with their own lives and have families to feed. Some people couldn’t care less about seeing Canada or the UK. Heck, I couldn’t care less about seeing another Brit with bad teeth.

“That shows how well educated you are.’

Huh, I had no idea that an education had anything to do with me respecting you. Then again, you aren’t one to know the difference between the two.

“I DO respect you ‘

You must be under the false impression that I care what you think of me.

“Dear EducadtedBlackMan’

Oh great, you’re schizophrenic. Writing letters to yourself is really weird, black man.

Grits

February 14th, 2011
5:15 pm

To have entered this country is a crime. Build up a real border security sustem to keep the criminals out and deport any who break in. We’ve got enough crime without them adding to it!!!

LA

February 14th, 2011
5:16 pm

Hateisnottheanswer @ 5:02, my bad, I looked at the wrong blog handle. Thought you were angry black man.

LA

February 14th, 2011
5:21 pm

“Please show me where I put: “I think America sucks” …I didn’t put that anywhere in my posting.”

“I love my country and I’m proud of it too, but saying that we are the greatest country on Earth is not true.”

There you go.

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February 14th, 2011
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February 14th, 2011
9:09 pm

Barr is an open borders guy. But he will change if it will keep his name in the news. This is such a load. Hey, ILLEGAL ALIENS! GET OUT!

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February 15th, 2011
1:05 pm

Conservative Republicans never hesitate to throw their “values” out the window when there is a chance to demonize a social/racial group and make them the phantom menace. The opportunity to be a racist is just irresistable to them.

LA

February 15th, 2011
1:58 pm

“Conservative Republicans never hesitate to throw their “values” out the window when there is a chance to demonize a social/racial group and make them the phantom menace. The opportunity to be a racist is just irresistable to them.”

Says the person who’s own party invented the KKK.

Carolina Halasz

February 15th, 2011
10:53 pm

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Sharon McEachern

February 16th, 2011
5:05 pm

AMERICANS ARE WAY OFF ON REAL IMMIGRATION STATS
The immigration debate is being fueled by contentious divisions and Arigona and Georgia are smack-dab in the middle. Recent research finds that Americans are poorly informed about the real statistics on immigration; but when informed of the true stats, their opinions change to more lenient views toward migrants. For example, the average American believes that 39 percent of the U.S. population was born abroad. The true figure is less than 14 percent:

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legally here

February 16th, 2011
6:15 pm

LA,
Love your comments. I am a “legal” immigrant and love this country to bits. Hate to see people jumping the line when there is a right way to do it. Hope ALL the states go the AZ way . Can’t understand why some people are so selective about enforcing laws. Are we or are we not a country of LAws? We should settle that debate once for all.

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February 17th, 2011
6:53 pm

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