Federal law leashes pit bull restrictions

Municipal governments from New York City to Miami, and from Council Bluffs, Iowa to Denver, have responded to fear of pit bulls and similar breeds of dogs, by severely restricting their ownership or banning them entirely from their jurisdictions.  Now, thanks to a rule issued recently by the U.S. Department of Justice, such actions are subject to being struck down.  Jurisdictions now considering such overreactions, such as Douglasville, Georgia, would be well-advised to review the Justice Department’s opinion before proceeding.

Dog owners and humane societies have long-opposed such arbitrary and overly broad laws that penalize thousands of pit bull owners who maintain their canine companions properly and without incident, because of a small number who fail to properly train and control the dogs.  Courts generally have permitted such ordinances to stand, based on deference to the so-called “police power” of local governments to protect the public “safety and welfare.” 

The 20-year old, federal Americans With Disabilities Act (”ADA”), however, may put a stop to such “breed-specific legislation.”  The ADA protects measures designed to help persons with disabilities, which includes dogs used by disabled persons for assistance.  Laws that outlaw ownership of entire breeds, including those that might be used for assistive purposes, would limit the ability of persons with disabilities to use such pets, and would therefore violate the ADA and be deemed by the Justice Department to be unlawful.

In what some might consider a rare example of the federal government recognizing that laws can be overly broad and therefore harmful to individual liberty, the Justice Department’s opinion on breed-specific legislation noted that such laws sweep too broadly; and that it is inappropriate to outlaw an entire breed of dogs because a small number cause problems.  Such problems are the result of owners not restraining their dogs properly or inadequately training them, rather than the result of a particular breed’s disposition, and can be addressed by more narrowly-crafted legislation.

Unfortunately, there are still those, like the mayor of Douglasville, Georgia, who favor overly restrictive measures.  The mayor recently noted in support of the city’s proposed pit bull ordinance, that he had no problem singling out pit bulls, because he sees them “on TV” causing “incidents.”    One would hope that local government officials might on their own possess some understanding of limited government and individual liberty; but if the Justice Department at least in this instance will ensure that they do so by way of a federal law, then the feds are serving as an important check on excessive government power.

402 comments Add your comment

carlosgvv

September 29th, 2010
7:05 am

In an ideal world we would know which people would abuse children and dogs and make certain they never had either. Since this is not possible it would be nice if the government would enforce the laws already on the books.

Eric

September 29th, 2010
7:25 am

I agree–taking personal responsibility (for one’s dogs) is the solution (like many other aspects of life).

selwyn marock

September 29th, 2010
7:41 am

Now lets hope that the Federal boys enforce this ruling.

The Common Man

September 29th, 2010
8:15 am

Right on Carlosgvv. However, Barr is off his rocker to say that these problems are the result of improper training and not the particular breed’s disposition. Wipe off your shoe Barr. These animals are as dangerous as a gun. And there are rules about gun ownership. Look at the history of this animal, it was bred for fighting and warfare in ancient Greece. Sure…not my dog (pitbull)…until it bites the face off your child. How many times have we heard that story. Some regulation is needed for these animals, in spite of the foolish comment of the Douglasville Mayor.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 29th, 2010
8:47 am

We have three dogs – a poodle-mix, a border collie/greyhound mix, and a pit-lab mix – plus two cats, all inside the house. The female hyperactive border collie is our alpha dog. The 90 lb pit – Mr. Snugglebuttons – is a passive, gentle creature. When he climbs the steps, the five lb cat sits on her haunches and slaps him in the face with both paws; Mr. Snugglebuttons merely whines, asking us to save him from the brutish creature.

Most people who rail against the breed are the 21st century equivalent of know-nothings, who would merely enact their prejudices into laws that restrict all of us.

Metro Coach

September 29th, 2010
8:50 am

Common Man….Read the Parade Magazine article about Michael Vick’s pit bulls, or the article by Dan Wetzel from Yahoo Sports abotu the,, and you’ll find proof that even dogs bred to fight, even those that do fight and survive can be retrained to be good canine citizens. The Wetzel article cites one of the best fighters of the group who recently received his Good Citizen certification. This is a dog who fought and won, and he was able to be retrained. Dogs can be trained to overcome their instincts, and they can be trained to ignore prior training.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
9:02 am

Common Man…you are wrong period. The pit bull type dog was orginally from the UK where they baited bulls and were used as a farmers dog. There is not a breed called pit bull.. it is a slang term. There is the American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier which are the most common breed lumped into the pit bull term. However there are many other breeds that people will call a pit bull.
I probably have handled well over 100 pit bull type dogs in my life. I volunteer at a shelter and own dogs that most people would identify as a pit bull.. if they are so dangerous why have I never been bitten ? Could you possibly be wrong ?

Scott K

September 29th, 2010
9:03 am

Common Man, your analogy to gun control is more right than you know. Guns are not inherently dangerous, and pit bulls are not inherently dangerous; people misuse guns (and other weapons), and people mistreat pit bulls (and other dogs). Criminal control laws that targets specific guns make no more sense than breed-related laws.

Guns are not dangerous without a person pulling the individual trigger; dogs are not dangerous (as a group, or as a breed) without abusing or mistraining the individual dog.

Also, your history is completely bogus–the American Pit Bull Terrier’s existence only dates back a couple hundred years; whatever dogs they had in ancient Greece are completely immaterial to modern breeds, as is however they were treated–given that, as noted in other comments, dogs that were brought up and forced to fight only a couple years ago are now in loving family homes, therapy dogs, CGC-holders, and general breed ambassadors.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 29th, 2010
9:28 am

Any dog will bite, under the right circumstances. They are animals, after all.

Mike

September 29th, 2010
9:34 am

We just need less government.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
9:36 am

To Mike,… could not agree more..

Drifter

September 29th, 2010
9:49 am

So all these pit bulls that maim and kill people have been mistreated? That’s just ignorant. Out of all the various breeds out there, approximately half of all dog attacks involve a pit bull. And after some child has been maimed or killed, you always see the nitwit owner saying ‘He’s never bitten anyone before’.

Tim

September 29th, 2010
9:55 am

Great. So now the dogs have more rights to be in my yard than my kids. I’ve called the police, city, congressman and no one will make my neighbors even put that pit bull on a leash. I’m glad we can all own pit bulls. How about my kids who would like to play in their yard and can’t?

Barry

September 29th, 2010
10:02 am

They can take away my pit bull when they pry her jaws from their cold, dead necks.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
10:05 am

“Such problems are the result of owners not restraining their dogs properly or inadequately training them, rather than the result of a particular breed’s disposition…”

Hogwash.

Bad owners own all types of dogs and all types of dogs are inadequately trained. But when was the last time you heard of a chihuahua ripping someones face off? Or a schnauzer? Or a bassett hound? Or even a lab? They may bite, but they lack the killer instinct and locking-jaw mechanics that have been bred into the pit bull for centuries.

It’s simple: terriers chase things, retrievers retrieve things and pit bulls kill things. You may be able to contain some of that instinct through training, but it is still there and can be activated with no notice.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
10:23 am

Chekker… the last time I heard the locking jaw remark was from a retarded person.. pit bull dogs do not have locking jaws.. the jaw has been disected and they are the same as any other dogs jaw. In fact Rotties and GSD have a more powerful bite.
Did you know that the first human face transplant was done in France? The result of the person’s Labrador mauling her.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
10:28 am

Checcker…did you know pit bull is a slang term for American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and American Staffordshire Terrier.
Just wondering because you sd. terriers chase things…

Ive owned pit bull type dogs for years and vol at a shelter and work with pit bull type dogs… you think I would be maimed by now if you are correct.

jrc813

September 29th, 2010
10:30 am

I own an American Staffordshire (pit bull). I have had him for over 8 years and he weighs right at 100lbs. He has never bitten anyone, however, I am not stupid. I don’t let him run loose and I don’t allow him to be with small children by himself. The biggest problem you have with my dog is his whining. He will jump up on you and because of his size, he is able to knock a small person down. I also own a chihuahua who will bite the crap out of you every time you touch him.
Pit bulls should no more be banned than anything else. People kill people every day, should they be banned. I do believe there should be laws on keeping your dogs under control and immunized but not on outlawing an entire breed. At some point people need to be responsible and not blame the dog. Oh and one more note, half the time when you hear about a “pitbull” attacking some one it isn’t even a pit bull.

The Common Man

September 29th, 2010
10:31 am

I am glad that Mr. Snugglebuttons likes cats and I am sure there are a lot of playful loveable pits around with cute names that are owned by responsible people that make wonderful pets. But the facts are that this breed of animal did originated and evolved for purposes of fighting and warfare (sorry Bully Bob). Michael Vick was not raising poodles to fight. Just like guns, these animals require some regulation because of certain irresponsible OWNERS. Unlike Mr. Snugglebuttons family.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
10:41 am

“Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006)
The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author’s observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening.
According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:
If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed–and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.
Clifton’s opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, “Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all.”

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

Pompano

September 29th, 2010
10:42 am

Unfortunately the vast majority of the owners of these dogs are missing a few important screws. When you take a dog as powerful as this breed (and prone to violence – despite the statements to the contray by their owners) and place them in the hands of these individuals. It’s a disaster waiting to happen. Of course, even if you ban the breed, these brain-dead owners will still find some way to terrorize their neighborhoods.

Also, the law currently limits us from ownership of many types of animals for public safety reasons.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
10:49 am

Checcker are you kidding the Clifton study… he used newpaper articles to gather his evidence. This study has been litterly laughed by the American Medical Veternarian Assoication.. here are there comments on the study:
In a statement, the American Medical Veterinary Association (in whose journal the CDC report was published) said: “In contrast to what has been reported in the news media, the data contained within this report CANNOT be used to infer any breed-specific risk for dog bite fatalities.”

“Data in this report indicate that the number of dogs of a given breed associated with fatal human attacks varies over time, further suggesting that such data should not be used to support the inherent “dangerousness” of any particular breed.”

http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2010/07/03/news/doc4c2fab7309d7d996640777.txt

Ragnar Danneskjöld

September 29th, 2010
11:02 am

I perceive there will always be Pompanos among us, willing to supply screws even where not needed. Our first pit died in 2004, age 13 – never even growled at anyone, much less bit. I will not affirm the pit breed has the best most loving disposition I’ve seen – we once had a Basenji-mix who deserves that title – but I think the pits rank with Golden Retrievers, and with much less shedding.

Drifter

September 29th, 2010
11:05 am

A study for 2006-2008 showed pit bulls caused 59% of human deaths due to dog attack. If it isn’t the breed, it tells you something about the kind of people owning them. But some of you won’t believe any research no matter where it comes from because your lovable ticking time bomb hasn’t bitten anyone yet. At the very least, we ought to hold the owner responsible for any damage done, including criminal charges.

nelson

September 29th, 2010
11:08 am

Now, there is a right way and a wrong way when it comes to pit bulls. A little known way, do not show fear, let the dog know who is in charge. Take Buddy Dyer, the mayor of Orlando, one day he was out jogging and a pit bull was attacking a small poodle. Buddy ran over and grabbed the pit bull by the ears and pulled it away. Now, that is the right way, and this was one of those big pit bulls. Buddy got named man of the year by the dog lovers of America.
Now, the wrong way is to have federal legislation, that only encroaches on the rights of the individual.
Warning; do not go out and grab the first pit bull you see, by the ears, speak soothingly first and let the dog take a whiff of your hand, and it is better if the dog has already eaten.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
11:08 am

Bhully, I think if chihuahuas and boston terriers were ripping peoples faces off, the media would be all over it.

My sister has owned a boarding kennel and been working with dogs, horses and cats for 30 years. I take her word as gold when she says that she has to be extra careful with pit bulls due to their unstable nature and potential for great harm to other animals and herself even going so far as refusing a few of them that turn out to be particularly vicious.

If you love this breed so much, more power to you. Just don’t kid yourself about their potential for harm.

Kevin

September 29th, 2010
11:09 am

I often agree with Mr. Barr’s positions, but I wholeheartedly disagree with him on this one.

Pit Bulls are genetically pre-disposed to aggression, and are ticking time bombs. This whole “it’s the owner” line of reasoning doesn’t fly with me. When was the last time you read about someone being killed by a poodle or mauled by a Chocolate Lab? Are bad owners limited to one breed of dog? Of course not.

I’m all for personal responsibility. But it’s abundantly clear the personal responsibility model isn’t working as it relates to this breed. How many more people (including children) must die or be mauled before we collectively realize this breed should be severely restricted?

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chris

September 29th, 2010
11:20 am

The people who demonize these dogs need to get their facts straight. Notice where information about these dogs comes from? Television and poorly written “studies”. Do a bit of research and don’t hold your personal vendetta up as overwhelming proof that pit bulls are dangerous. For further enlightenment, go to your local shelter and maybe walk a few of these dogs (I’ve worked with hundreds of dogs and have only been bit by spaniels!) and/or read the Pit Bull Placebo:

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pit-bull-placebo-text1.pdf

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
11:24 am

Checcker I board my male pit bull all the time..His last report card was ” he likes soft toys and giving kisses.. Jack weighs about 85 lbs and is rock solid.
Here is a bit more about your clifton study:
Clifton’s study is based entirely on “press accounts” and includes “only attacks by dogs of clearly identified breed type or ancestry.” This means that a wide swath of attacks for which the dog’s breed is unknown or unreported go unaccounted for. Also, attacks not reported by media are not included.

Pit bull advocates often cite a media bias against their dogs, claiming that news organizations sensationalize pit bull attacks and leave others unreported.

No study of media bias toward any specific dog breed is known to the writer of this article, but the fact that pit bull attacks are reported in media at a higher rate than attacks by other breeds does not seem totally unfounded.

Therefore, the high rate of “pit bull terrier” attacks included in Clifton’s study may be at least partially explained by media bias against pit bulls.

Harm Reduction

September 29th, 2010
11:25 am

Simple solution:

Dog owners should be tried for crimes when their dogs injure/ kill someone.
If you kill somone with your car you can get charged with vehicular homicide or vehicular manslaughter. Same situation. New laws/Charges at Dog owners. No need to penalized the animals – they are animals. The owners – though they act like animals, are humans and should be held accountable as such.

Harm Reduction

September 29th, 2010
11:27 am

Dr. Pangloss

September 29th, 2010
11:30 am

“Laws that outlaw ownership of entire breeds, including those that might be used for assistive purposes, would limit the ability of persons with disabilities to use such pets, and would therefore violate the ADA and be deemed by the Justice Department to be unlawful.”

Now when was the last time you saw someone using a pit bull as a seeing eye dog? Never, right?

When was the last time you read about a pit bull killing a small child? Not long ago at all if you watch the news regularly.

Sure, all dogs may bite, but not all dogs can take your foot off.

b.c.

September 29th, 2010
11:41 am

Nelson @11:08

That’s fine for one pit bull (or any strange dog). Can’t necessarily handle it that easily when there are two are three together which often seems to be the case in the attacks reported in the media.

Local laws like leash/restraint laws and registration requirements for certain breeds, plus fines for not keeping your pets under control work pretty well for our county.

I have know people who owned one pit bull as a pet and loved them. I personally would not choose that breed for a pet. Our neighbourhood until recently was open, few fences. Kids could walk through neighbours yards to catch the school bus. Then a new owner moved in with two pit bulls. Fences went up all over the place. Including the pit bull owner who (by law) had to install fencing for his pets. My hobby is gardening. I’m not willing to take a chance that the neighbours pit bulls are friendly and won’t attack if the spirit moves them. The man that installed our fence and several others in the our neighbourhood within a couple weeks of the dogs arrival told us. “My boss loves pit bulls. Good for business.” I bet he does.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
11:48 am

“Therefore, the high rate of “pit bull terrier” attacks included in Clifton’s study may be at least partially explained by media bias against pit bulls.”

Why would the media pick on pit bulls?

Like I said, if another breed chewed people up the way pit bulls do or another breed was being trained to fight in ‘pits’ a la Michael Vick, I think the media would be all over it.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
11:50 am

Dr. Pengloss therapy dogs are not necessarly seeing eye dogs. It is a proven fact people that have seizures have therapy dogs that can detect if a seizure is coming on. That is one reason Denver Co is having to re-write its BSL law…
I hope you are not a Dr. if you do not know this.. maybe you should be called Dr. Quake

REP

September 29th, 2010
12:04 pm

“Such problems are the result of owners not restraining their dogs properly or inadequately training them, rather than the result of a particular breed’s disposition, and can be addressed by more narrowly-crafted legislation.”

Bob, you are just flat wrong here. Pit bulls are constantly mauling folks and at a much higher rate than other breeds. I know b/c I’m an attorney and see these dog bite cases all the time. Most of them (clear majority; it is not even close) arise from either pit bulls or mixed pits. If it was up to me, it would be a felony to own or breed one. There are plenty of other dogs and breeds out there that can assist folks. Come to think of it, I’ve never seen a pit used as an assistive dog. Have you?

duward

September 29th, 2010
12:04 pm

Buster Brown’s Tige, Our Gang’s Petey, and even the RCA dog were all pit bulls/pit bull mixes. This is a dog that was the pre-eminent American family dog 75 years ago. Historically, it has even been a symbol of our country’s bravery, determination, and loyalty. That these dogs have somehow evolved into mad maulers is nonsense. People treating dogs like toys or accessories or ignoring them altogether are the problems.

Liz Henderson

September 29th, 2010
12:07 pm

There have been studies about media bias against a breed of dogs. My group’s statement at http://www.atlantapitbullparents.com/pages/statements.html shows the results of that study as well as others. There are several reasons other than media bias why you see so many reports of pit bull bites. One is that “pit bulls” as a group are one of the most common types of pet dog in the US based on the data available from places that actually bother to collect this data – some states Dept’s of Agriculture and Animal Control as well as humane societies. However there is no comprehensive database tracking numbers of dogs, so that is why “bite statistics” are unreliable. If you think there are no pit bulls in your neighborhood that is because their owner is a responsible person who keeps them behind a tall fence. Another is that dogs that have no “pit bull” in them are frequently referred to as pit bulls AFTER they have done something terrible. There are several accounts of police or animal control re-identifying a dog’s breed days after a big media story. You just don’t hear about those like you do the headlines. There are actually many accounts of dogs as small as Chihuahuas and Pomeranians who have inflicted serious and even fatal injuries. Also the breed has become a favorite with people who want their dogs to intimidate other people. For decades we villainized the German Shepherd, the Rottweiler, the Doberman. Those dogs eventually fell out of favor with people who wanted aggressive, intimidating dogs because these dogs don’t take a lot of crap from people, including their owners. Pit bulls have come in to favor with these thugs because pit bulls are inherently human friendly – people who bred fighting dogs did not want to get mauled – and so the dogs are willing to put up with a lot of abuse from their owners without turning on them. I by no means advocate anyone using a pit bull for protection, intimidation, or anything of the sort. Those of us who love our pit bulls will defend them with OUR lives, not the other way around!

VM

September 29th, 2010
12:09 pm

As a American Pit Bull Terrier owner, I know full well that my dog is strong, has prey-chase instincts, and is a heavy dog. This does not, however, make him a bad dog, in fact, he is incredibly kind, and has been thoroughly trained (responsible ownership). He also is not let off his leash unless he is in a safe environment, and is never let to run about the yard without control. My neighbors kids love Boomer, but he is always monitored any time the kids play with him.

What people need to realize is that dog breeds are easy to demonize, especially highly identifiable ones. German Shepherds, Rotties and Pit Bulls have all been targeted by the anti-big-dog sentiment. Poodles are well known for having nasty dispositions and for attacking people and other dogs, but you do not see the media target them. It’s sad that the dog that once represented the United States Army as a mascot is now demonized so thoroughly.

In urban environments where Pit Bulls are trained for fighting (due to their muscular and solid nature) and then abandoned as strays people notice the Pit Bull “problem” with greater regularity. A disproportionate number of stray dogs are Pit Bull breeds, due to the misconception that they are fantastic fighting dogs and they proliferate in low income areas thanks to illegal activities where people want these “fierce killers” as guard dogs and personal weapons. These people are ignorant about how to train a dog and abuse them, and they often get free. These people are one of the many problems contributing to the overall Pittie issue.

Douglasville Dude

September 29th, 2010
12:10 pm

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Douglasville Dude

September 29th, 2010
12:12 pm

Oh, great. Now everyone in Atlanta is going to know what a fool and a dullard we have for a mayor here in Douglasville.
It used to be our little secret.

duward

September 29th, 2010
12:15 pm

Statistically, there is an overwhelmingly greater risk of riding in a car than of being bitten by a pit bull terrier or any other dog. Paranoia, hysteria and hyperbole…I’m not buying it

Attacked

September 29th, 2010
12:19 pm

Recently a neighbor’s pit bull was loose in my neighborhood and charged me and my dog as we sat on our front porch. I was barely able to escape and run inside the house with my sweet female lab as the pit nipped at my heals. My dog and I were traumatized by the event. I have infant twins and can never enjoy my yard again for fear that the dog will get out again. My dog never leaves the yard, but can now never go out alone. I am an animal lover, but have no issues with any pit bull ban after the experience. Rarely do you ever hear of attacks by other dogs and statistic back this up. My response to the event is now to arm myself accordingly.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
12:21 pm

‘There are actually many accounts of dogs as small as Chihuahuas and Pomeranians who have inflicted serious and even fatal injuries.’

Uh huh…sure.

Google ‘chihuahua kills’ and see what comes up.
Google ‘pomeranian kills’ – a 6-month old a few years back.
Google ‘pit bull kills’ and get an eyeful.

Lots of ostriches on here today!

Light

September 29th, 2010
12:24 pm

Let God will be done thru this blog http://lightoftheearth.blogspot.com/

ohmy

September 29th, 2010
12:25 pm

god spelled backwards is dog

Jimmy62

September 29th, 2010
12:29 pm

I don’t know enough about dogs to make an expert statement on this, but it does seem like the majority of dog attacks I read about are from pit bulls. I’m willing to accept that these are owned by people that don’t train them well. On the other hand, if I live in a house with my kids, and someone moves in next door and they are a really nice person and happen to have a pit bull, how am I supposed to know if it’s well trained or not? Just wait, and if my kid never gets torn apart, then it’s trained well, and if my kid does get attacked, then it’s trained badly?

Seems to me at a certain point the people who live next to a pit bull have some rights to live without fear of being torn apart. This might be different if dog attacks were more diverse, but it seems like 90%+ are put bulls. And how can you prove that your pit bull is trained well and would never attack a human? The burden of proof should be on the owner, not the neighbor who just wants their 6 year old kid to not be torn to shreds by a dog.

Jaques Cousteau

September 29th, 2010
12:31 pm

I had a tiger shark for a pet in my pool in Hapeville. Her name was Daisy. She was cute and cuddly and kids used to ride on her back by holding onto the cute little bow I tied around her dorsal fin. My neighbors got all upset about it. They were afraid she might bite someone. I don’t know why? I never let her out of the pool and she never bit me or any of the kids. And if she had, well she wouldn’t mean anything by it cause she was such a cute thing and she was well trained. I couldn’t afford to keep feeding her so I gave her to the aquarium and got a pit bull and named her Miss Daisy.

Tell Me Why

September 29th, 2010
12:32 pm

Would someone please explain why – with all of the hundreds of breeds of dogs available – would someone want to own an animal that has the potential to cause so much harm? What the heck is the attraction of owning a pit bull? Why would you want to own an animal that requires so much diligence to keep it from hurting somebody? Don’t give me the crap about how affectionate and lovable they are – so is a guinea pig. You own them because of stigma attached to them – and somehow by owning a ‘dangerous dog it makes you a somebody. Look at the control and fear you invoke – Neighbors refuse to walk by your house, because the dogs might be out. No one in your neighborhood knows your name – but they all know you own a pit bull. They are nothing more than an attention getting device that has the potential to be very dangerous. And then after every attack, you rush to defend the breed, and blame the incompetent owners. Until that incompetent owner is you. Then it’s always the ‘ I don’t know what happened – the dog never hurt anyone before’ sob story.

Mike Vicks

September 29th, 2010
12:35 pm

Hey Bob,

You know my history. no introduction is necessary. Look a here boys and girls.

Dem pits are the sweetest dogs in the world. They will not harm any living creature. Trust me I know about pit bulls. They are gentle and meek dogs.

The DOJ is simply trying to keep lawyers employed. Think about it, it is similar to having good schools in the inner city and rural areas. The criminal justice system would come to a halt if inner city kids and rural kids are properly educated.

When was the last time an ugly pit won the wesminster kennel competition? :)

Bob who cares about the DOJ? come on man, did you bump your head this morning?

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
12:40 pm

Rep and you never go out of your way to find people who got bite… there is a term called ambulance chaser. True or false… there is a breed called a pit bull? How many breeds are called a pit bull ?

I have owned as many as 3 pit bull type dogs… my neigbors never have complained in fact they complement me on my dogs behavior.. but I am not an A hole about owning them. They have all been to a professional trainer, I have a 6 ft fence and when I am at work they are indoors.
Nothing wrong with the breed.. just a few irresponsible owners that spoil it for the majority of pit bull owners.. kind of like the Department of Justice pointed out.

AmVet

September 29th, 2010
12:44 pm

“We just need less government.”

Sure, even though in the past two years alone, we’ve endured two enormous disasters – one economic, the other environmental – due to that very non-conservative thinking.

The attempted corporate of capitalism that culminated in that hemorrhaging meltdown of Sept. 2008, which we are stillsuffering from today, and the Deepwater Horizon fisasco.

Both completely avoidable, but for some proper oversight and somebody keeping an eye on the foxes guarding the American hen house.

But apparently criminals are coddled today, as long as they are white-collared.

And yet the faithful in the Anti-Law & Order party want to take even more cops off of the beat..

You’re doing a heckuva job connies…

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
12:45 pm

Hey Mike Vicks… as the saying goes… break a leg.. Donavan going to kick your behind Sunday.. and I hope a dog loving line backer sees that you never walk again or earn a dime playing football again..

ohmy

September 29th, 2010
12:47 pm

why buy a car that goes dangerously fast, why buy a house that’s too big, why spend more than you make…why be a foster parent for troubled youth, why be a missionary, why join the armed forces, why rescue a dog–even a pit bull, why take any responsibility for anything whatsoever because there might be a risk

Wild Thang

September 29th, 2010
12:48 pm

Some animals aren’t meant to be domesticated, I believe pitbulls to be among them. To me, it’s no different than domesticating a wolf. Which some idiots have surely done.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
12:49 pm

Tell Me Why.. that is me.. retired Navy Supply Corp Officer, MBA, employed same civilian job for 15 years..animal shelter volunteer..
sounds like your typical pit bull type dog owner.. ever hear of the word sterotype..people with limited IQ have it.

Al gore

September 29th, 2010
12:52 pm

Lets all give it up for BullyBob for being such a tremendous advocate for the pit bull terrier….the cuddly wuddly family pet. Hooray for Bullybob and his dogs!!!! I nominate him for the Michael Vick Dog Lover of the Year award. Arf arf BullyBob!!!!!

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
12:55 pm

Al.. well a dumb A like George Bush didnt kick my behind.. go out and drive your hummer around.. dont forget to turn out the lights in your million dollar mansion..loser

AmVet

September 29th, 2010
12:56 pm

“…ever hear of the word sterotype..people with limited IQ have it.”

Though technically true, it is NOT a function of intelligence, so your premise is fallacious. Or at least incomplete.

MANY highly intelligent people also stereotype.

From the loathed wiki:

Sociologists believe that mental categorizing (or labelling) is necessary and inescapable.[citation needed] One perspective the stereotyping process is the concepts of ingroups and outgroups. Ingroups are viewed as normal and superior, and are generally the group that one[clarification needed] associates with or aspires to join. An outgroup is simply all the other groups. They are seen as lesser or inferior than the in-groups.

A second perspective is that of automatic and explicit or subconscious and conscious. Automatic or subconscious stereotyping is that which everyone does without noticing. Automatic stereotyping is quickly preceded by an explicit or conscious check which permits time for any needed corrections. Automatic stereotyping is affected by explicit stereotyping because frequent conscious thoughts will quickly develop into subconscious stereotypes.

A third method to categorizing stereotypes is general types and sub-types. Stereotypes consist of hierarchical systems consisting of broad and specific groups being the general types and sub-types respectively. A general type could be defined as a broad stereotype typically known among many people and usually widely accepted, whereas the sub-group would be one of the several groups making up the general group. These would be more specific, and opinions of these groups would vary according to differing perspectives.

Mike Vicks

September 29th, 2010
12:58 pm

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
12:45 pm
Hey Mike Vicks… as the saying goes… break a leg.. Donavan going to kick your behind Sunday.. and I hope a dog loving line backer sees that you never walk again or earn a dime playing football again..
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you sound like you do a whole lot more to your dog than just petting it. those type of relations could get you thrown in the slammer and infected with various types of diseases.

ohmy

September 29th, 2010
12:58 pm

man i hate cut and paste

Service Dog Trainer

September 29th, 2010
1:04 pm

There are no bad dogs, there are bad owners. Any dog, including a golden or a lab, can bite and kill. Many animal owners have no idea what they are doing or how to handle their dogs. They misinterpret signals. They use the wrong collars (choke collars and prong collars should be prohibited, as well as those retracable leashes that encourage pulling).

That being said, the simple fact is that almost any dog can be trained as a service dog and there are many types of service assisting animals. Pit bulls (as a generic label) can be trained to be service animals. They are not trained generally because of the perception of the public.

What cities are missing when they enact these laws is that there is another option. If you truly believe that certain breeds are bad, then owners could be required to be licensed for ownership to assure that the dogs are properly trained. Better yet, why not require all owners to demonstrate they can properly handle an animal and require them to be licensed.

Drifter

September 29th, 2010
1:10 pm

If you’ve got a drug house in your neighborhood, then you probably have at least 3 pit bulls in your neighborhood too. Ask any cop who goes into these places on a regular basis. It’s a thug dog for thugs, wannabe thugs and people trying to compensate for other shortcomings. Do your neighborhood a favor and get a ‘tough guy’ tattoo instead.

Tell Me Why

September 29th, 2010
1:15 pm

BullyBob – Did I ask for your resume? And no – I never heard of the word “sterotype” “Stereotype” maybe, but not “sterotype” Did you keep the receipt for your MBA?

ohmy

September 29th, 2010
1:15 pm

so sad to be limited by one’s prejudices

Beware Dog Owners Who Don't Use Leashes

September 29th, 2010
1:26 pm

I love animals but if a dog (any breed) attacks my little girl I WILL beat it to death, rip out its throat, put a leash around its neck and deliver it to its owner.

Good day

DevsAd

September 29th, 2010
1:31 pm

What would you have done to your little girl if she attacked someone someday?

Do the Math

September 29th, 2010
1:43 pm

Require ID chips, annual license fees for all pet ownership and fine those that don’t comply.

Too many pet owners are irresponsible people (some criminally). All pets should be licensed/taxed so that 1) animal cruelty ends 2) no one will want 15 cats under 1 roof, and 3) pay off public debt.

•Of the 1,000 shelters that replied to the National Council’s survey, 4.3 million animals were handled.
•In 1997, roughly 64 percent of the total number of animals that entered shelters were euthanized — approximately 2.7 million animals in just these 1,000 shelters. These animals may have been euthanized due to overcrowding, but may also have been sick, aggressive, injured or suffering from something else.
•56 percent of dogs and 71 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are euthanized. More cats are euthanized than dogs because they are more likely to enter a shelter without any owner identification.
•Only 15 percent of dogs and 2 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are reunited with their owners.
•25 percent of dogs and 24 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are adopted.

I understand that there are approximately 4,000 animal shelters in the U.S. so it is possible that 10,000,000 pets were destroyed in 1997 alone.

Beware Dog Owners Who Don't Use Leashes

September 29th, 2010
1:44 pm

DevsAd @ 1:31pm

Well, clearly comparing dogs to humans makes the most sense. ***Hand to face, sigh***

DevsAd

September 29th, 2010
1:54 pm

And the answer is?

xyz

September 29th, 2010
1:56 pm

I would like to know if anyone at the justice department been chased/attacked by a pit bull. I have! Pits need to be outlawed.

ohmy

September 29th, 2010
1:58 pm

dogs are far more predictable than humans

Kevin

September 29th, 2010
2:02 pm

You flat-earthers can second guess the statistics all you want, but it doesn’t change my most basic question:

When was the last time you heard of a poodle or a Chocolate Lab killing someone?

Pits are inherently dangerous and need to be outlawed.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
2:13 pm

Kevin…here you go

Isabelle Dinoire came from Valenciennes in northern France. She had no memory of the dog attack. She overdosed on sleeping pills and spent quality time floating somewhere in the fifth dimension while her face was being eaten by a Labrador dog.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
2:25 pm

Bhully finds one instance where a lab injures it’s owner (who suicidally ingested pills and was out for who knows how long while her poor dog was probably starved and confused as all get out) and he thinks that pit bulls are vindicated somehow.

Meanwhile, we’re all still waiting on the killer poodle, basset hound and chihuahua statistics.

Carol

September 29th, 2010
2:26 pm

In the 70s it was Doberman Pinschers; in the 80s it was Rottweillers. Now the idiot-thugs who want a macho dog to threaten the neighborhood with have pit-type dogs. If pits are banned, the same idiot owners will get Akitas, or Presas, or Rottweillers, or maybe GSDs or Airedale Terriers, or maybe they’ll find some obscure breed that hardly anyone has ever heard of yet, or maybe they’ll just breed really bad-tempered Labrador Retrievers, but whatever breed it is, the same people whose “pit bulls” you’re scared of now will breed and raise and fail to manage their new dogs, too, making them as dangerous as possible, and then we’ll have to outlaw that breed. Here’s a novel idea: how about instead of new laws, we give animal enforcement departments the resources needed to enforce the dangerous animal laws that already exist?

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
2:29 pm

Ogden » About 18 months ago, Sandra Leavitt adopted a full-bred pit bull from the Ogden Animal Shelter. Leavitt, who battles epilepsy, considers her now-constant canine companion, Nikki, to be her lifesaver.

Nikki, now 3, underwent yearlong service training to become Leavitt’s seizure-alert dog.

ohmy

September 29th, 2010
2:37 pm

Pit Bull

September 29th, 2010
2:38 pm

I love my BullyBob. He understands what it is like to be a despised breed and treats me real nice. He knows everything about our kind. We love you BullyBob

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BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
2:50 pm

Carol, that is a great idea.. its not new but I have always sd. that if the existing laws were enforced there would never be a need for BSL.

I never have complained about paying for dog registration where I live and with a pack of dogs it runs me a little over 55 a year. But hey its another form of identification if my dog should ever get loose.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
2:54 pm

Here you go Checker:
Pomeranian Kills 6-Week-Old GirlLOS ANGELES (AP) – A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant’s caretaker briefly left the child unattended to

I know its not a poodle…but I can tell you our poodle when growing up bite my sister right in the mouth.. so all dogs bite and can kill.

Pit-mix owner

September 29th, 2010
3:01 pm

All of you that want to ban any kind of breed are idiots. Do you think that is even possible? I’ve got news for you – a majority of the mixes in Atlanta have pit in them. If you don’t believe that, you’re just lying to yourself. I own a pit/boxer mix that is the sweetest dog in the world. It’s the owners, not the breed you idiots. I could own a lab or a corgi and train or treat it in a way that would make it attack anybody that came in my house. It’s a shame that there’s so much ignorance in this world.

David S

September 29th, 2010
3:05 pm

Trust me, if the jerks that infest Washington DC could outlaw Afghan hounds or Persian cats, they would find a way. Can you say “freedom fries?”

This action certainly doesn’t make up for everything else the Dept. of Injustice is doing every other minute of the day. But it is still a positive gesture.

Presbo

September 29th, 2010
3:08 pm

I would like to announce my selection of BullyBob to be the head of the National Agency of Pit Bulls. This selection is based on his advocacy of the Pit Bull, his superior knowledge of the Pit Bull breed and his ability to think like a dog.

Tricky

September 29th, 2010
3:16 pm

All dogs can bite and are very territorial, however most cannot do the type of damage that most American Pit Bulls and the American Staffordshire Terrier can do. These dogs are quite powerful and aggressive especially around other dogs that they do not know. Most dogs are territorial but again most dogs can’t do the same type of damage, and don’t even get me started on the Perro de Presa Canario. These dogs can absolutely destroy a person. Now having said all of that and after having owned these breeds without any incidents to report, I can absolutely say that it is the owner. If you train a dog to be mean, it will be mean. My wife’s Schnauzer is as mean as they come and absolutely bullies my American Pit, and because dogs don’t really understand “size”, she never backs down, but my pit always does, because he is not a mean dog, however is very protective. When company comes over, it is the Schnauzer we have to put up. And yes, it learned to be mean from my wife.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
3:21 pm

Presbo… arf arf.. where is a fire hydrant I need to take a leak

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
3:23 pm

Bhully, I mentioned that Pomeranian at 12:21. Took a while to find something eh? Now google ‘pit bull kills.’

No one said other dogs don’t bite or kill. Again, pit bulls just do it with much greater ferocity and regularity.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
3:24 pm

Perro de Presa Canario… is this a Canary Island fighting dog ? I saw one on Animal Planet…its me or the dog.. now that is a big dog.. like a giant pit bull of steriods. I am not sure what you call the thing that protects a persons arm when training a dog to attack.. but this one was made of steel and the dog literally tore it off the handlers arm and crushed it like a beer can.

David S

September 29th, 2010
3:30 pm

Nothing is quite as destructive of human life as the congress and the president of the united states. Pit bulls are nothing compared to the suffering and misery that these folks can cause.

Tricky

September 29th, 2010
3:32 pm

Yes, BullyBob, they are one and the same. Also very good dogs, but they need an owner that can control them.

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BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
3:34 pm

Checker and there are a lot more pit bull type dogs in the US than other breeds.. there are several breeds that people will call a pit bull.. which is a breed that does not exist but a slang term.
I do not recall saying you should not be careful around a pit bull type dog. I for one cross the street with mine when I see a pedestrian coming or another dog. Ive owned them for over 12 years and broken up 3 fights which I think is a good ratio..the fights I have to admit are something else.. but if you are a good dog handler/manager breaking a fight up is not that difficult. And before you ask.. I do own a break stick. Which is legal.. in fact I gave one to the ACO officer when she was at the shelter one day.. she wanted to know how to break up a pit bull fight.. so I showed her.. not an actual fight but how to grab the dog and use the stick.
But I do think they are very predicatable if you look at the language.. ears perked up, tail high and hair raised on the back.. look out. A wagging tail doesnt mean anything..one of my dogs which I lost used to wag her tail before she was going to kill a rabbit. (a wild rabbit)

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
3:39 pm

Ticky I just took “Jack” to reactive rovers class… the trainer had a Rotti French Mastiff Mix which I thought was a big dog.. but I think the Perro de Presa Canario has to be one of the biggest dogs I have ever seen and I never meet one in person.. The people that had it on Me or the Dog and wanted it for protection but Victoria talked them out of it once they saw it attack.. they decided to train it to be a family pet.. but anyone in their right mind would never fool with a family that owned a dog like that.. I was very impressed my the strength of this dog.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
3:40 pm

NEWS FLASH…

…if you have to take your dog across the street when you see a pedestrian or another dog coming, you admit your dog is dangerous.

…if an ACO officer needs you to show her how to break up a pit bull fight, you admit that breed is dangerous.

…if you need a break stick to be around a certain breed of dog, you admit that breed is dangerous.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
3:56 pm

And quit telling me there is no such thing as a pit bull because that is a slang term. You call your own dog a pit bull so knock that junk off.

wes

September 29th, 2010
4:20 pm

@Cekker – If an ACO officer needs somebody to show them how to break up a dog-fight, they don’t need to have that job. And don’t say pit bull fight because any dog breed can get in a fight you idiot. So, with your logic, if any dog is in a fight, that breed is dangerous. You should think about what you type before putting it on a public forum, jackass!

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
4:33 pm

Welcome Wes…new to this are you?

Read the post I was responding to before jumping in like a half-wit. Bully was talking specifically about a PIT BULL FIGHT.

Now go back to bed…your pacifier misses you.

Jefferson

September 29th, 2010
5:11 pm

Pit Bulls/Muslims very simular in treatment and actions.

Dr. Pangloss

September 29th, 2010
5:13 pm

Billy Bob, I am perfectly aware that there are therapy dogs as well as seeing eye dogs. They don’t use pit bulls for that purpose either.

I think the word you want is “quack” not “quake.” If you’re going to badmouth somebody, get it right.

AT

September 29th, 2010
5:18 pm

The pitbull problem wouldn’t be a problem, if laws were enforced. Pitbulls regularly roam my neighborhood in Tucker, because their owners are too incompetent to keep them restrained. Otherwise the dogs are lockup up 24/7. Once out, they go crazy, charging up to my kids and the nice elderly lady taking her daily walk. They aren’t vicious until they start fighting each other, and ultimately one gets killed by the rest of the pack. This has happened twice that I know about. Sure, no one has been bitten…yet. But how much chance does a 4 year old or elderly lady have once one of those dogs starts in. I’ve called animal control and 911 because of these dogs more than I can count. My county commissioner, Elaine Boyer, ignores my calls and emails. The response has been almost non-existent, except for one or two occasions where it was so bad, multiple neighbors were all calling 911 at once. Making the breed illegal is a convenient way to make up for local officials that do not enforce the laws that already exist. But that doesn’t really help my problem does it?

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2010
5:33 pm

So, Bob the pseudo-libertarian is against the ADA—-except when it protects the God-given Constitutional right to own a dog that can bite your face off.

Even Chance

September 29th, 2010
6:47 pm

We all know that pit bulls are the breed of choice for drug lords, gang members, dog fighters, etc. Do you think though that these pit bulls reproduce for the sole purpose of seeking out the most horrific lives they can surround themselves in? Do pit bull puppies have aspirations to protect someone’s drugs or fight for their lives while their owners make money?
The answer is no. We need to start viewing these dogs as victims and their owners as the monsters. And you know why pit bulls do what their owners tell them? Because they are the most loyal, human loving creatures on this earth.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
6:54 pm

Start banning pit bulls and the thugs will get an even meaner dog… I was talking to someone about the Canary Island Fighting Dog… believe me a pit bull type dog does not even compare… be glad they are rare and no one has starting using them to protect their drugs or be the getto dog.
As far as Checcker goes I argue all the time with anti pit bull folks… guess what spit in one hand and make your anti pit bull comments in the other hand and see which gets fullest faster..
I think you know checcker that a well trained pit bull is not dangerous..its the gang bangers that could care less about their dogs and own kids that have given this dog a bad name.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
6:57 pm

Even chance good comment… I once heard Cesar Milan say… do you think a dog is born and one day says to himself… I am gonna be a bad A when I grow up… no its the human being that makes them that way…. rules , boundaries and limitations.. ( a Cesar saying)

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
8:21 pm

‘I think you know checcker that a well trained pit bull is not dangerous.’

On the contrary, I know that a well trained pit bull still has the instincts of a pit bull and will attack when a threat is perceived.

Just as a well-trained chihuahua will yap when annoyed.

And a well-trained lab will jump in the water when ignored.

And a well trained terrier will chase if not heeled.

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
8:56 pm

I have been around 7 Pit Bulls.. Not all at once.. They are not bad dogs. I don’t think there should be a ban on this breed. No one is going to change anyone’s mind. But, there is a few news cast people that have stated that when they get a report about a dog attack they only want the pit bulls. Only because there ratings go up! So most of the time they wont show other dogs attack! About those 7 Pit Bulls… I been around 3 of them at once. I go to shelters and play with them also I am dwarf. I love pit bulls. I was also around a Mom pit Bull and her pups. Half the stuff you hear about pits is just because of stupid people. Even if they ban AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER there will be another breed of dogs you guys will want to ban because they will attack to much and the media will make you fear them also. I DISLIKE THE MEDIA. If they ban this breed.. I hope they ban all the murdering people, and the gun also ciggarettes.. <– those are the most dangerous things. Pit Bulls have hearts, they breath, they have every right to be on this earth like every other animal and human does!

Somebody

September 29th, 2010
8:58 pm

As an owner of a pit I detest these stupid remarks about how vicious and violent these dogs are. I’ve owned many dogs.. Know which dog was aggresive? A mix dog that was part chihuaha and daschound. And what’s more my pit has never growled nor attempted any kind of aggresion toward any1. She’s in a house w 2 small children and 4 small dogs. She LOVES children and LOVES people in general. I take her places and the only thing she’s guilty of when meetin sum1 is licking them and wanting attention. You say pits have highest bite rate? Your wrong. You say pits have “lock jaw” again your wrong. Research your facts before you post ignorance. I know MANY advocates of this breed and if you asked any of them they’d tell you the same.. Pits aren’t vicious. People are dumb tho for buying into over exagerrated media hype pointed toward a breed out of pure fear. And before you harp on me about how dangerous the breed is and how I shouldn’t be allowed my dog save it. I love my dog.. And will continue to love her. Don’t blame breed blame deed. Any dog has potential to be vicious… Its all how they are treated and raised. If pits are banned ALL dogs should be.. Bc all dogs were once wild.. Banning one breed is stupid. Oh and I’ve SEEN pits as service dogs btw. So whoever said that they aren’t.. You were wrong too.

BullyBob

September 29th, 2010
9:04 pm

Just got through walking Jack… a couple of my neighbors wanted to pet him and remarked what a good dog he was.
Checcker adopt a pit bull… you will be a lot happier !

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:06 pm

‘Know which dog was aggresive? A mix dog that was part chihuaha and daschound.’

Did it wrap it’s jaws around your throat and yank your jugular out or did yopu just push the pesky thing away?

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
9:06 pm

btw my dog is a Lab/Pit mix and she is the most lovable dog.. She lives with another dog, a cat, a hamster bear (by the way she licks it and lays by it), and a mouse that can run in its ball and she will just watch it. The other 7 American Pit Bull Terriers I had mention… they were around children and other animals as well. Just like (Somebody) don’t tell me I shouldn’t have a Pit Bull… You can save your fingers the hassle and save your stupidity to yourself!

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:07 pm

‘Just got through walking Jack… a couple of my neighbors wanted to pet him and remarked what a good dog he was.’

Congratulations on walking though another evening with blinders on!

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
9:09 pm

Chekker… have you ever been bitten by a Pit Bull or any other dogs??

Bullygirl

September 29th, 2010
9:10 pm

well the haters are out in full force. I am tired of defending a breed to people who obviously believe EVERYTHING the news tells them. Let me pose this question to you haters.
If this breed is so DANGEROUS then explain why there isn’t an attack in EVERY TOWN AND EVERY STATE AND EVERY COUNTRY AND EVERY PROVINCE AND EVERY OTHER POSSIBLE PLACE THAT PEOPLE LIVE EVERY SINGLE DAY? That’s because it isn’t a dangerous breed. PERIOD.. There are millions possibly of these dogs in this country. There are probably thousands upon thousands in my city alone and you may hear of one attack a yr if that. Considering where the dog is located, the owner of the dog and IF the dog was actually a pet then it stands to reason that the dog was ill bred and or ill treated and shouldn’t come as a surprise if it attacks, is that right no, but should it be taken into consideration, yes. The facts are this Haters. NOT ONE SINGLE vet will tell you that they support a breed ban. Not any educated smart dog person will tell you they support the breed ban. See ITALY if you think it stops with our breeds. They recently recinded their ban because at last count it was well over 90 breeds the last being the Welsh Corgi. Are they dangerous? If you have a neighbor that has a pitbull and it acts aggressively you should as a educated person be aware that that is not the normal temperament for a true and well bred Pitbull. And I mean any of the following breeds, American pitbull Terrier , American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire bull Terrier. No where in their breed description or history was human aggression allowed or encouraged.If any of us Bully lovers have the old Stratton books you will read that any human aggressive dog was not bred nor kept but actually put down. This is an old dog fight advocate from back in the 60’s and 70’s. While I don’t advocate fighting it is a part of our breed and as owners and responsible owners we recognize it and address it. Any responsible Pitbull owner will not take his dog to a dog park due to this reason. Does that make my dog dangerous? No of course not, it means I recognize the dogs history and do not put it into a situation that most of you will distort.Dog attacks are a problem of over breeding done with ill tempered and ill bred dogs themselves many of questionable parentage and heritage. Most that attacks do not have registration papers nor can you be sure that they are pure bred dogs. Therefore to place blame on any one of these breeds is irresponsible and criminal. I cannot comprehend why anyone would want a Labrador but I do not want anyone else to not be able to own that breed should it be their choice? No. Unlike most of you hateful ignorant people who have no experience with any pitbulls at all us Bully breed people are fighting to stop all laws that affect you as well when your to ignorant to even know it. Any Specific Breed language laws have the ability to affect you as well. Once my Stafford is gone what happens next? Your annoyed when my Akita barks at you so you call for a ban on that. Or you don’t like it that my lab will fight another dog so you ban that. The reasons go on and on. The key word here is RESPONSIBILITY. most of you that support breed bans are the same ones who think its cute when your little yapper snarls and barks at people as they walk by. You have no control over your dogs and because it is a golden retriever you think there isn’t a problem. Well, you should not the public official , I forget where he was, but his golden retriever bit a child, when animal control took his dog to quarentine it due to the BSL on the books about Dogs that bite and deemed that it should be put down due to its unprovoked attack on a kid someone broke his dog out of the pound. That dog is now somewhere out there around your children and has a history of biting and hurting severely a child yet due to his breed he was saved, all be it illegally. See how skewed things get. Oh and there are plenty of examples of other breeds attacking and the media not wanting to report them untill the same person who got bit by the breed called and said oh its a pitbull, then the news wanted the details. It is true, it happens and the word PITBULL draws peoples attentions. After all this article drew yours didn’t it?

Doglover77

September 29th, 2010
9:11 pm

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
9:12 pm

Sorry Cekker… I misspelled your name.. I am guessing you haven’t been bitten by a Pit Bull.. So I am also guessing you believe everything you hear on the TV!!

Puppy Chow

September 29th, 2010
9:13 pm

Wow, just googled the canary islands fighting dog. It certainly earns its name. The thing looks like a MONSTER :http://www.breederretriever.com/photopost/data/500/medium/presa_canario_in_the_canary_islands.jpg

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:14 pm

‘The other 7 American Pit Bull Terriers I had mention… they were around children and other animals as well.’

Please report this to your home-owners insurance company… maybe they will give you a discount due to lack of common sense.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:17 pm

‘Chekker… have you ever been bitten by a Pit Bull or any other dogs??”

Yes…and…

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
9:18 pm

Cekker do to your lack of common sence.. you haven’t even handle a pit bull.. don’t judge til you have owned one oh yea I forgot you believe everything you hear on the news. You need some education on this breed.

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
9:20 pm

Really you been bite by a Pit Bull.. Did you know there is 26+ dogs that are mistaken as a pit bull?? No I just say it cause it looked like a Pit… (Lack of common sense)

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:26 pm

‘Chekker… have you ever been bitten by a Pit Bull or any other dogs??’

You asked…any other dogs. The answer is yes. If I had been bitten by a pit bull, I may not be typing today.

‘Did you know there is 26+ dogs that are mistaken as a pit bull??’

Yes, that has been pointed out 26+ times today. If it quacks like a duck…

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:30 pm

‘Wow, just googled the canary islands fighting dog. It certainly earns its name. The thing looks like a MONSTER’

Wonder if it can be trained to be meek and non-aggrisive?

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
9:30 pm

You know Cekker.. I hope people keep bringing up there is 26+ dogs that are mistaken as a Pit Bulls.. another thing is I hope you get educated on this breed. Cause the lack of your education on this breed is so disappointing. Well don’t answer back because I will not be here to read it.

:) Pits...

September 29th, 2010
9:39 pm

Pit bulls just have a bad rep.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:40 pm

‘Well don’t answer back because I will not be here to read it.’

Quitter!

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:42 pm

‘Pit bulls just have a bad rep.’

So does Satan.

Bullygirl

September 29th, 2010
9:42 pm

Cekker, all you have to do is look.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/OtherBreedBites/2010/April/yellow%20lab%200410.pdf
oh and here is a site you can look under different breeds
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm
and here
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/MistakenIdentity/WrongId.htm

and to make a point for you, only Bully breed websites report these incidents and point them out. all you have to do is look. Now if your still so single minded to hate pitbulls,fine, dont get one. but do not imply that anyone who own’s them does so for lack of self esteem or because they lack a standard IQ. If you think it’s ok to ban all breeds then your a sad human and the truth is that that is exactly what happens when BSL are allowed. The criminal and irresponsible element will still use guns illegally and obtain illegal guns as will they with everything else they desire. So it does nothing to protect you.
Take a look at the breed now responsible for the most attacks since Denver has banned Pitbulls
http://www.thedenverdailynews.com/article.php?aID=3473
make sure you read the entire article..

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
9:44 pm

Okay… I been told that is say quitter on her that was address to me… hmmm… not a quitter just simply leaving it alone cause no one is going to change your mind. Which each to there own. You have a right to your opinion.

Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
9:46 pm

Can anyone tell me why my comment isn’t being posted?

Pittie owner

September 29th, 2010
9:52 pm

in my state there are 19 dog fatalities in 45 years!!! 12 different breeds were responsible for these deaths: http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/in-your-state/pennsylvania/dog-bite-fatalitles/

If Pitties were such a problem you would think the number of deaths would be higher. hmmmm

In 2005 Ontario passed a ban on pit bulls despite the fact that Ontario officials dismissed, and continue to ignore, all data that disproves their claims, including the fact that only ONE of Canada’s 45 fatal dog attacks (since 1964) has involved a dog identified to be a pit bull or pit bull type dog.
(http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/dog-bites-worldwide)

ONE!! ONE pit bull caused death out of just 45 dog attacks since 1964… ONE out of 45 is clearly showing how “dangerous” pit bulls are! NOT!

From the same page posted above in re Ontario’s breed ban A survey of municipalities conducted by the society revealed no significant drop in dog bite cases since the government passed breed specific legislation in 2005 that resulted in “countless” pit bulls and related Staffordshire Terriers being destroyed”

You do not hear about other breeds because that is not news to the media… there is clearly a media bias in regard to pit bulls.

http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/08/20/if-it-bites-it-must-be-a-pit-bull-right/

http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/advocacy-center/animal-laws-about-the-issues/pit-bull-bias-in-the-media.html

From the ASPCA article above:
a four-day period proves that anti-pit bull bias in the media is more than just a theory—it’s a fact.
August 18, 2007—A Labrador mix attacked a 70-year-old man, sending him to the hospital in critical condition. Police officers arrived at the scene and the dog was shot after charging the officers.
This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 19, 2007—A 16-month-old child received fatal head and neck injuries after being attacked by a mixed-breed dog.
This attack was reported on twice by the local paper.

August 20, 2007—A six-year-old boy was hospitalized after having his ear torn off and receiving a severe bite to the head by a medium-sized, mixed-breed dog.
This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 21, 2007—A 59-year-old woman was attacked in her home by two pit bulls and was hospitalized with severe, but not fatal, injuries.
This attack was reported in over 230 articles in national and international newspapers, as well as major television news networks including CNN, MSNBC and FOX.

Pits are therapy dogs:

A former michael vick fighting dog:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25214356/

More proof of pitties as therapy dogs:
http://www.webvet.com/main/article?id=2026

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/rca.html

More people die from cars than dogs .. so should we ban cars too? Should we blame the object rather than the human? That is what most people want to do is take away Man’s responsibility and put the blame on something they fear and won’t take the time to find out the truth.

I own 2 pit mixes. I have four kids. I walk my dogs on a leash. If someone is uncomfortable with them I will make sure to have my dogs walk on the other side of me. But other people who aren’t fearful will give them the love and pets my dogs enjoy. Many have suggested i train my dogs to be therapy dogs and I will be doing it shortly!

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
9:52 pm

‘Okay… I been told that is say quitter on her that was address to me… hmmm… not a quitter just simply leaving it alone cause no one is going to change your mind. Which each to there own. You have a right to your opinion.’

Sorry.. now you sound like a sad drunk.

Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
10:04 pm

I own three, adba registered, American Staffordshire Terrier’s , they are all one and a half years old. They don’t growl or play bite with each other, that’s the way they were trained by me. Now for some facts:
Until the early part of the 19th century the American Stafforshire Terrier was bred with great care in England for the purpose of baiting bulls. When they came to America they were used for general farm work, guarding the homestead, and general companionship.

The American Temperament Test Society conducts tests every year on thousands of dogs to determine the soundness of their temperament. The American Staffordshire Terrier routinely ranks well above many “popular” breeds such as the Beagle, Collie, Doberman Pimscher, and the Cocker Spaniel. This is a very intelligent, human-oriented, active dog and affectionate family pet. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy dog. One of the characteristics that most owner and breeders talked and look for particular in this breed is gameness. Gameness refers to perseverance, spirited, readiness of a dog to accomplish a given task.

Also for the person that said they have never heard of a “pit bull” service dog here are some sites for you:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pospress
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/shelby
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/spike

PitBull Lover

September 29th, 2010
10:04 pm

haha… let me re-word this because I didn’t read through it before because my DOG is more important when she is begging to go out side then to a person who has to make comments to everyone cause he/she don’t have anything better to do with there time…. I was told that it says QUITTER on here that was address to me. I AM NOT A QUITTER. I was simply leaving it alone cause no one is going to change your mind. (cekker) Which each to there own. You have your opinion and so do I! Also this is just a waist of time.. arguing with people who has no clue about this breed and wants to believe everything on the news!

Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
10:05 pm

I own three, adba registered, American Staffordshire Terrier’s , they are all one and a half years old. They don’t growl or play bite with each other, that’s the way they were trained by me. Now for some facts:
Until the early part of the 19th century the American Stafforshire Terrier was bred with great care in England for the purpose of baiting bulls. When they came to America they were used for general farm work, guarding the homestead, and general companionship.

Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
10:05 pm

The American Temperament Test Society conducts tests every year on thousands of dogs to determine the soundness of their temperament. The American Staffordshire Terrier routinely ranks well above many “popular” breeds such as the Beagle, Collie, Doberman Pimscher, and the Cocker Spaniel. This is a very intelligent, human-oriented, active dog and affectionate family pet. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy dog. One of the characteristics that most owner and breeders talked and look for particular in this breed is gameness. Gameness refers to perseverance, spirited, readiness of a dog to accomplish a given task.

Also for the person that said they have never heard of a “pit bull” service dog here are some sites for you:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pospress
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/shelby
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/spike

Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
10:09 pm

Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
10:09 pm

The American Temperament Test Society conducts tests every year on thousands of dogs to determine the soundness of their temperament. The American Staffordshire Terrier routinely ranks well above many “popular” breeds such as the Beagle, Collie, Doberman Pimscher, and the Cocker Spaniel. This is a very intelligent, human-oriented, active dog and affectionate family pet. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy dog. One of the characteristics that most owner and breeders talked and look for particular in this breed is gameness. Gameness refers to perseverance, spirited, readiness of a dog to accomplish a given task

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Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
10:10 pm

The American Temperament Test Society conducts tests every year on thousands of dogs to determine the soundness of their temperament. The American Staffordshire Terrier routinely ranks well above many “popular” breeds such as the Beagle, Collie, Doberman Pimscher, and the Cocker Spaniel. This is a very intelligent, human-oriented, active dog and affectionate family pet. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy dog.

Southern Class

September 29th, 2010
10:14 pm

The American Temperament Test Society conducts tests every year on thousands of dogs to determine the soundness of their temperament. The American Staffordshire Terrier routinely ranks well above many “popular” breeds such as the Beagle, Collie, Doberman Pimscher, and the Cocker Spaniel. This is a very intelligent, human-oriented, active dog and affectionate family pet.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
10:22 pm

Latecomers and quitters…

google ‘pit bull kills’…

google ‘cocker spaniel kills’…

google “(breed of your choice) kills’…

…and tell me which breed has the most kills under it’s belt.

Then whine to me about training.

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
10:32 pm

‘Now for some facts:
Until the early part of the 19th century the American Stafforshire Terrier was bred with great care in England for the purpose of baiting bulls. When they came to America they were used for general farm work, guarding the homestead, and general companionship.’

Fascinating.

And today their primary purpose for breeding is to guard drug houses and rip the faces off of other pit dogs.

Yippee! Do not fear the pit bull!

Bullygirl

September 29th, 2010
10:48 pm

really Cekker? are you really that hateful and angry? Not one single person on here is telling you that you have to like Pitbulls. However we are saying that you should not stereotype them. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that the Media distorts everything. They want ratings. Period.. If that means they post “PITBULL ATTACKS” and then a few minutes later realize it was a boxer mix do you think they retract that? no of course not. The damage is done. Now any person like you can go on line and google PITBULL ATTACKS and guess what you get? yep. see our point? Probably not but the facts are still there wether you decide to admit it or not.
I also disagree with Southern Class, but not to nit pik his comments to death like you but rather to clarify some facts.
First, the American Pitbull Terrier is not from england. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is and is the predacessor to the American version. The American Staffordshire Terrier was once the American Pitbull Terrier but people wanted to show in the AKC so the AKC insisted the name be changed and the word PITBULL be removed. They are now two different breeds but can be dual registered in the UKC,ADBA and the AKC. Furthermore, the ADBA does not register the American Staffordshire Terrier. It registers the American Pitbull Terrier. now of course you(cekker) will not understand this clarification and I expect you’ll make some snide comment which is fine. Little kids resort to name calling and sarcasm when they have nothing else to offer. However it behoves you to educate yourself on something you obviously hate so much.
Now here is a little more clarification for you. Not everyone should own a pitbull. Just as I would not own a Border Collie. why? because I would not do the breed justice. As a Dog lover and owner I desire a different type of dog bred for a different type of work. If I do not own a farm or work livestock it would harm the Border Collie more then it would benefit that breed and likely make that dog not a good example of his breed. Does that make him a bad dog or me a bad owner? no. There are obviously different breeds bred for different purposes hence the reason we have so many and since we are all individuals we desire different things. I know people who love the therapy of grooming a Shelties coat. Is that something I want to do? no. Do I think that because I don’t want the breed that she should not be able to either? of course not. My point is this, if you don’t like them, don’t own one. But at the very least put aside the sarcasm and have a decent educated discussion with someone who disagree’s or just keep quiet. I can respect your opinion when you respect mine. In addition, you have many many people who love and adore these breeds trying to make you understand something yet you call them names and mock them and site news reports as evidence. do you do the same with your Doctor? I mean Web MD might tell you something else different for you ailment then what your Doctor might? see my point? again probably not but hey , we tried didn’t we?

Cekker

September 29th, 2010
11:11 pm

Pit Bull…Schmitt Bull.

I am not that hateful and angry…the pit bull is.

The truth, which all you pit bull defenders deny, is that the ancestor of the pit bull was bred to rip the face off of other dogs, or humans, or anything that got in its way. That is why it is so popular amongst drug dealers and other thugs.

If you desire the therapy of grooming a born and bred killer, please keep that in your family. Tell them your lovable pooch is not vicious by nature.

petlover

September 30th, 2010
12:48 am

well this article is fantastic except the part where he says:
“humane societies have long-opposed such arbitrary and overly broad laws”.

IN FACT – the “Humane” Society of the United States only just changed its policy of demanding all “pit bulls” be killed in “fighting raids” within the last few years.

Only after being behind the killing of thousands of dogs and receiving intense pressure after killing dozens of puppies in one incident in North Carolina did the H$U$ change it’s kill’em all ways.

Dog owners care about intrusive dog laws, the “humane” society cares about making money.

Brenda

September 30th, 2010
12:53 am

Bully Bob said: “It is a proven fact people that have seizures have therapy dogs that can detect if a seizure is coming on.”

————————-

Remember these 2 therapy pits?

http://www.kfdm.com/news/dogs-24377-home-deputies.html

petlover

September 30th, 2010
12:53 am

not to nit pick you bullygirl but you are incorrect about the adba. they have registered anything with hair the last few years. another money driven organization out for themselves above all.
“All accepted pure breeds from a recognized registry with a verifiable three generation pedigree are eligible for registration.” http://www.adbadogs.com/p_pdetails.asp?fpid=111&pg=111

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
3:55 am

Thanks Brenda…

Just one case among thousands.

“There’s a certain small percentage of aggressiveness in any breed, whether it’s a Chihuahua, a Rottweiler or a Pit Bull,” said veterinarian Dr. Ted Hoerner.

“The difference is the degree of damage that a certain animal can inflict. Pit bulls are huge, they’re strong, their musculature is such they can inflict deadly damage. Unfortunately, that’s what we’ve seen happen.”

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
7:30 am

One thing about pit bull haters… they never allow any other thought but their hate for the breed. There is a woman by the name of Collen Lynn ( who Cecker may well be) who runs a website Dogbite.org. She claims to have been bitten by a pit bull. Since we know that the breed does not exist.. I have always wondered what type of dog it was. But that is not my point. Her whole life is dedicated to the hate of this breed. She is a web developer and really knows nothing about dogs except the news articles she gathers.
Since there is some truth in the fact news agencies seem to love to print about pit bull attacks her data and view of the situation is very slanted. Much like Checcker.
It must really make these people paranoid when you start seeing shows like the Pit Boss, Pit Bulls and Paroles and Cesar Milan having a pack of pit bull type dogs. Daddy, who died, was such an ambassador of the breed.. and so is Hercules (Shorty Rossi’s pit bull). My dog Jack is very much like these dogs.. huge and very well mannered. Now the department of Justice is taking away their thing to hate..by saying pit bulls are not that bad and their precious BSL laws are ill written and against citizens rights.
I guess people like Colleen and Cekker will have to find something else to hate pretty soon..
It must make them pretty angry that I am not a drug dealer, but a retired Navy Officer and half way literate.. ( do make a couple of spelling errors)…
But people like this need a purpose in life..which is blind hate of something..it works like this they may have been bitten by a dog which they thought was a pit bull. They then start looking for everything in the world that will enforce their fear and hate.
I got held up a gun point years ago by a couple of guys that were heavily tatood. I didnt start thinking gee everyone with a tatoo is bad. In fact I just got a nice tatoo of my dogs.

Fortunately I live some where the state law prohits BSL type laws. Unfortunately for the pit bulls there are a lot of bad owners in the area. However I will continue to own and rescue pit bull type dogs until I am to old… and Cekker dont hold your breath for me to be mauled to death.. I know it would make you happy but its not going to happen.

Southern Class

September 30th, 2010
7:35 am

The American Temperament Test Society conducts tests every year on thousands of dogs to determine the soundness of their temperament. The American Staffordshire Terrier routinely ranks well above many “popular” breeds such as the Beagle, Collie, Doberman Pinscher and the Cocker Spaniel. This is a very intelligent, human-oriented, active dog and an affectionate family pet. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy dog. One of the characteristics that most owners and breeders talked and look for particular in this breed is gameness. Gameness refers to perseverance, spirited, readiness of a dog to accomplish a given task.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
7:42 am

Cekker if you really care…why not show people how not to get bite by dogs. I do this all the time. First never put your face in a strange dogs face. Second never go over the top of a strange dogs head. Put your hand down and let the dog sniff you. Third and most important ask the owner if it is ok to pet your dog. Fourth learn about dog language. This is really one thing good about pit bulls there body language is easy to read… raised hair on the back is a sure give away. Where a long haird dog you will never see this. If a dog shows its teeth dont push it.. shy dogs are more likely to bite than a confident dog.
You could do some good work Cekker by studying dogs and teaching people how not to get bite.
I vol at a shelter where if a vol is bite the dog is pts…so reading the dog is very important.
Also what name are you going to use next Collen ?

Southern Class

September 30th, 2010
7:43 am

Ok BullyGirl, first of I’m not a him I’m a her :) Secondly, search some facts first before you nit pick my comments. The American Staffordshire Terrier is said, in all the articles I have found, to be for England. Also let me clarify, my two dogs, brother and sister, are ADBA and my 90lb Blue nose show/pull dog is UKC :) Also, for those that talk about “pit bull” temperament read up on the The American Temperament Test Society . The have said that the American Staffordshire Terrier ranks well above other “popular” breeds on their temperament.

Jefferson

September 30th, 2010
9:14 am

Get insurance, by the way it will cost you more and hope you don’t get sued if your pit bites somebody. The odds are stacked against a pit owner. Just advise in case.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
9:27 am

I used to think that the pit bull was not so dangerous if trained and treated properly up until last week. A friend of mine who has a German Sheppard and a Pit bull left to go to work. Upon arriving home, his German Shepard laid torn open in a pool of blood. His pit bull who everyone thought was soo sooo sweet, sat panting with hardly a scratch on him. He has had both dogs from puppy hood. The dogs were trained for obedience and both very social with both people and other animals (including cats.) It was as if something just snapped in the Pit bull. The German Sheppard was in surgery for 5-6 hours and just went back into surgery yesterday. I have met both dogs and felt that they were very laid back sweet guys… The whole incident was shocking.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
9:30 am

Jefferson… Pit Bull Rescue Central (PBRC) has a list of insurance companies for people that own pit bull type dogs.
The best insurance is to train your dog, make sure he is always on a good leash, and have a good 6ft fence and when the dog is in the backyard always keep an eye on them.
Remember a pit bull type dog and any other type of dog never is ever any smarter than a 3 to 4 year old child… hopefully every one would watch a 4 year old carefully.

mike

September 30th, 2010
9:30 am

all you people that bash pits probably don’t know the first thing about the bully breed. You see a large dog doing something displeasing and bam it’s a pitbull doing it. Tell me why and all the other border line retards need to pull your head out of your ass and get a clue. Most reported pit bull attacks are mutts not bully breeds but they take the wrath of it anyways. The stereotypes out there about these dogs could not be farther from the truth. I’m ot saying all are bred just as companions but you cannot blame a dog for fighting if it was trained to do that that’s the owners fault and they should be criticized, not the breed. If raised in a loving home they ae the sweetest dogs but most people won’t even give them a chance. It’s sad how ignorant some people can be.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
9:34 am

Shockingbuttrue… most of the time pit bulls will not fight.. however once they do fight…its a sure thing which dog is going to win. I leave my pit bull type dogs home together all the time and most owners do.. but it can happen.
When I adopted my second.. the shelter manager at the time sd. every once in a while pit bull owners will come home and there has been a fight. Most of the time though the fight happens when the human is around because the dogs want something the human has or they get excited when the human gets home.

mike

September 30th, 2010
9:37 am

and expecting all dogs to be proper and friendly is like expecting all people to be nice. Do we have murderers and rapists? Yes so going on the pitbull bashers reasoning all people are bad because of the actions of a small number of the human population. People are more intelligent than digs and they still go and harm other people so apparently some people are holding dogs to a higher standard apparently.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
9:57 am

BullyBob,

I hear what you are saying but it doesn’t make me feel less shaken up by the whole attack incident. Here you are defending the pit bull and you are saying that these attacks happen… Sounds a little contrary…

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:05 am

Shockingtruth… a good pit bull type dog owner knows what the dog is capable of. Just like the owner of a GSD knows the dog can clear a 6ft fence with ease and take down a human without much effort.
I would say there were warnings between these two brothers… also when you were growing up did you ever get in a fist fight with your sibling ?
Ever here of Tia Maria… she runs Villalobos and is the lady on Pit Bulls and Paroles… she talks about 2 male pit bulls that were best of friends then one day one bumps into the other when going through a door.. then it “was on”… She did not stop wanting to help pit bulls over this.. the other point is one of the dogs was probably always backing down and got tired of it.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:08 am

Shockingtruth.. one of the worst dog fights I ever saw was our family doxie and my neighbors mutt… both non-fixed males.. everyone was afraid to get there hands in the mix until one of my neigbors reached in and grabbed one of the dogs and pulled them apart..
My point all dogs fight..
Ever watch Spike… mixed martial arts… looks like a fight to me.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
10:29 am

BullyBob

I’m sure the neighbor with the doxie wasn’t afraid for his life as he would have been with a pit bull. Yes, all dogs can fight but Pit bulls were bred to kill other dogs. I went to find statistics for dog bites and came upon an article first thing about a 2 year old human child who was recently torn apart by her grandfather’s pit bull and killed.

I was on the side of the pit bull before my friends pit bull tore his German Shepard apart. Now I feel that they should never be bred since they are so unreliable and deadly. Why not go with a more reliable breed? I just don’t understand the concept of wanting to own a dog that can snap into killing mode just like that. What is the point?

Pit bulls have lost my sympathy.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:36 am

Shockingbuttrue… so the dog that killed the 2 year old.. how was the dog identified ? by the newspaper.
There is an interesting statices. Rescue groups ( the people that should now) when they identify any breed of dog and then compare that with DNA analysis of the actual dog are correct only 25 per cent of the time in their identification. Do you think new paper reports are more acurate ?
The other thing about what you read was the child being watched and the dog also.. I read about this quite a bit and there are 2 things that stand out 1) The dog usually is a mutt. 2) The dog and child were not being watched.
Our shelter adopts out what most people would say is a pit bull.. however they do not go home with any children under 10 years old and most of the time it is 14 years old.
I dont have children but if I did regardless of the dog I would never leave the dog and child together unattended. I had dogs when I was very young and any time I got a warning from the dog my Mom had the good sense to ask me what I had done to the dog.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
10:46 am

BullyBob

They had a photo of the pit bull with the story. This dog was clearly a pit bull and identified as a pit bull by the owner.
So, I just went and searched recent news stories regarding pit bull attacks and there were 12 news articles that I found right away that occurred over the last 24 hours… That seems like an awful large number of pit bull attacks to me.

You still haven’t swayed me back.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:53 am

Well Shockingtruth… there are a lot of pit bulls in the US and only a small majority of them every do anything wrong.
Did you read about my Meg who I lost in August to bone cancer.. I had her 10 years and was a very loyal pet. She never harmed anyone and was in one fight in her life when a lose shepard attacked her. If you did not read about her I would not be surprised because stories like this never make news articles.. sadly news is only interested in the bad stories. So when you do your search what kind of stories are you going to find?

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
11:02 am

majority… should been minority on my last post.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
11:05 am

BullyBob

I am very sorry for your loss. I understand that pets become part of your family. I fully understand how dogs give that unconditional love that most humans are incapable of giving.

My friend wept when he freely took his pit bull in to be euthanized but he felt he was doing the right thing. The trust that he had for his well loved pal had been broken. It has been a terrible and painful event for him.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
11:18 am

Shockingtruth… I love pit bulls and mostly I love the dogs I have.. Jack a big red nose and Petunia,,,14 years old.
However years ago I had Wilton, Meg (who I lost) and Petunia. Every once in a while I noticed Wilton and Petunia showing there teeth to each other. Which were warning signs.. I did not take head. Anyway what appears to be an out of the blue attack.. Wilton locked onto Petunia.. it took a good 3 minutes to get them apart and I was in a tight corner. I made the error of grabbing Wilton muzzle and received a sever puncher wound.. my confidence in Wilton was lost.. he was euthanized that day. To this day I am still haunted by the event .. not fear but did I do the right thing and I should have paid more attention to the warning signs. They will warn you beleive me but if you dont pay attention.. well the consequences are usually fatal to the dog.
I will always be a pit bull type dog advocate.. maybe its something abou the underdog.. or the way Jack and Petunia put up with me. I know other people will say a poodle will do the same.. well I have owned a poodle but they are not a pit bull type dog… I think the good owners of these dogs see the good qualities… but they should be aware of the strength of these dogs.. kind of like the person who talked about the Canary Island Fighting dog.. I would not own one but it does not mean the breed is bad or that person did not love and care for his dog.

TiredMom

September 30th, 2010
11:38 am

Actually Cekker, if you do a search, you will find a story from California about a chihuaha that killed a 2 week old infant and ripper her to shreds. Of course that won’t sell papers, so it’s never on the front page. I would rather have a big dog any day than have a small dog attack me while the owner laughs and says how cute their dog is. Next time a “lap dog” grwols or nips at me, you can bet I’m calling animal control and demanding the viscious dog be put down to protect innocent people. I have been bitten by more small dogs, and I always ignored it. Now, next time it happens, you can bet the animal will be put to death. If you think BSL is fair, then you better make laws banning certain people from moving into your state in case they kill someone. Oh wait! You can’t. You probably beat your children too, right? Cowards is what people like you are.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
11:45 am

BullyBob

I have been a dog lover myself since my childhood dog. I have been around a lot of dogs and a lot of dog owners. I participate in dog events. I have owned a variety of dogs in my life.

At this point in time, after what my friend recently experienced and also after what I learned from today’s investigation and conversation, I would not feel comfortable taking in a pit bull. I would feel that in doing so I would be supporting the breeding of a dog that is bred to kill other dogs. I would feel that I was supporting the dog fighters and drug dealers who breed these dogs to kill. I also would feel that it would be a terrible stress point to train this dog and I would never feel I would be able to trust the dog. I also would be worried that I would wake up one morning and find one of my other dogs torn apart in my living room.

I also would feel very uncomfortable having a pit bull living next door to me. How am I to trust that the owner has trained their dog and also how could I trust that their pit bull wouldn’t just jump the 6′ fence to get at my two dogs? I have heard that pit bulls can jump very high. I am upset that I feel this way. I always thought of myself as an open minded person but the reality of this situation hit too close to home in a negative way.

I’m sorry that you can’t see yourself with a different breed. There are some really great dogs out there that weren’t bred to fight or kill. I petted my friends big lovable pit bull and I thought he was sweet even though he was so big and had such a powerful looking jaw. However, the fact that he felt he should put him down has affected me as well. I feel that he was following his heart even though it was a terrible and difficult thing to do.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:01 pm

I dont feel like I am supporting drug dealers or especially dog fighters. I know the punk kids that want them.. I have had them ask me to sell one. All of this makes me want to protect the breed even more. I have seen pit bull type dogs come into our shelter in a very abused state yet in a month they are ready to give me a kiss. I work now with a dog named Hemi.. his brother frooze to death last winter and Hemi came close. Hemi gives a lot of people the whale eye but when he sees me come he is a puppy all over again.
I can understand not wanting a pit bull type dog.. I actually wished they were a rare dog like the Canary Island Fighting dog.. but they are not. To many jerk back yard breeders.. yes I would love to buy a Jinny York pit bull one of the best breeders for ABPT.. but there are just to many to rescue.
I once read a poem about the maimed and hurt dogs in heaven..they were all talking about a special person that was coming to heaven that day.. they called that person a rescuer… I know I am never going to set the world on fire but if I can help one or two pit bulls I will die a happy man..
So I guess it gets down to each his own.. but please dont try to intefer with my choice and I would appreciate not being critized for my choice but then we get people like Cekker.
Thanks for keeping the conversation civil.
Bully

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:06 pm

My last comment was to Shockingbuttrue

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:13 pm

I hope that none of the pit bulls that you rescue ever hurt the owners that you found for them. My friend whose pit bull tore apart his German Shepard is a seasoned dog owner and he trained his dogs. I don’t know if his German Shepard is okay yet or not. If not, he’ll be without both dogs. Two weeks ago all of us who knew them would have said that it would be impossible that his Pit bull would have attacked anyone or anyone’s dog.

I’m sorry to say that the breed has lost my trust.

Bullyluv

September 30th, 2010
12:20 pm

At The Common Man – A Poodle, Labrador, Dachshund just to name a few can do just as much harm to a child as any working breed dog. Check the national bite statistics to see which breed really has the most reported bites. And even doing this won’t be accurate…because most people don’t report it when Fifi or Fluffy bites them.

NotaSheep

September 30th, 2010
12:21 pm

For everyone on here quoting “studies” about “pitbull attacks”, I would like for you to visit this website.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
In the majority of attacks, the dog is MISIDENTIFIED as a pitbull.
Most of you-if not all-will get this wrong.

JABRULLA

September 30th, 2010
12:23 pm

@Common Man, you’re a complete moron get your facts straight before you open your COMMON mouth.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:29 pm

NotaSheep

What you wrote caused me to look up the definition of pitbull. This is what I found and I think this is what this article is talking about:

Pit bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the molosser family.
Most jurisdictions that restrict pit bulls, including Ontario, Canada,[1] and Denver, Colorado,[2] use the term “pit bull” to refer to the modern American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, or any other dog that has the substantial physical characteristics and appearance of those breeds. However, a few jurisdictions, such as Singapore[3] and Franklin County, Ohio,[4] also classify the modern American Bulldog as a “pit bull-type dog”, while in the United Kingdom the term applies only to the American pit bull terrier.[5] All three breeds share a similar history, with origins rooted from the bulldog and a variety of terriers. The term can also refer to dogs that were known as “bull terriers” prior to the development of the modern Bull terrier in the early 20th century.
Research has been conducted into human fatalities related to pit bull type dogs due to a number of well-publicized incidents. These incidents resulted in breed-specific legislation being enacted in several jurisdictions, and to increased premiums for liability insurance.

Kathryn Harris

September 30th, 2010
12:31 pm

So many of these comments are “I heard this” or “the media says”. Very little based on personal experience. Gosh, the media wouldn’t exploit people’s fears or prejudices for ratings, would they?
A dog’s tendency to bite could be affected by:
• Lack of socialization, between the dog and people or other animals,
• Improper or no training,
• Lack of supervision or conditions of living for the dog,
• Victims behavior,
• Whether the dog has been spayed/neutered or unaltered. Unaltered male dogs are overwhelmingly implicated in dog bites, both fatal and nonfatal. In fact, this single factor is more strongly correlated to fatal attacks than the dog’s breed or the manner of containment.

The Center for Disease Control stopped tracking dog attacks by breed in 1998, because they believed that such tracking did not aid their research and was not a valid basis for the formation of public policy. In addition, breed-discrimination laws don’t make people safer. Studies done in the UK, Spain, and Denver, CO, found that laws that class any member of a specific breed to be dangerous /vicious did not result in the reduction dog bites. Some studies have shown that after enforcement one of these laws, bites increased.
Especially in these times of limited funding, we should not waste funds and man hours on witch hunts against illusory threats, but rather should invest our resources into proven, effective tactics that make our community safer, such as enforcement of laws against dog-fighting and animal cruelty.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:36 pm

Shockingbutrue.. well I have vol at a shelter now for 3 years.. I can think of one dog that was returned for bitng a person..the dog was PTS.
Most pit bull type adopters either have had one before ( easy adoption) but the new ones get the low down on owning a pit bull.. No dog parks, watch them around other dogs, and we check out the neighborhood.

You are right pit bulls can jump high.. my Jack got over my 6ft fence the first day going after a squirel.. I yelled at him..rushed through the gate and there he was sitting on the other side of the fence.. well Jack weight was 67 pounds then (and full of parasites) Jack weighs 85 lbs now and cannot get over the fence even though he can move 2 sections of the fence when he collides with it.
Also since I own pit bull type dogs that is all I will own. I realized with the first they play very rough and it would take another strong dog to stay up with them.
My biggest fear is this. A little yapper comes running loose at Jack when he is being walked. I have taught Jack to get behind me and carry an air horn.. but if the little yapper gets around me and Jack feels threatened.. well I am not naive.. Now you may say how terrible.. well I asked the ACO how do I stand..she sd. Bully if your dogs are leashed and the other dog is off leash..you will not receive a ticket and your dog is in the clear..
Now the other night I was driving my car and out comes 2 small dogs off leash… I almost ran over them.. people would say well the dog should not be off leash and you were not at fault for hitting the dogs with a car… however if my pit bull killed the dog when the dogs ran into him it would somehow be my pit bulls fault..

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:40 pm

Kathryn Harris

BullyBob and I were speaking about our own real life experiences. Please take a look…
We are on different sides of the fence but we both were speaking from real life experience. I would like to hear from others who have had real life experience as opposed to just quoting like you did from conjecture and the media.

JoeBully

September 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

It is always the same. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility. Some one misuses a gun? Take them from every one. Some one has mistreated their dog? Ban that type from being owned by everyone. Stop being scared of everyone and everything and do something to help protect the rights we have. I live in a neighborhood in the city full of blue collar workers and contractors. Most of us have dogs that are willing to protect us and we all carry guns. There are a lot of pit bull type dogs in our neighbor hood. Kids around here know better than to approach dogs of any kind and neither the dogs or the kids are allowed to roam free around the neighborhood.

It works for us. We all look out for each other and respect each other and our neighborhood. The problem with society today is no personal responsibility. Protect me, feed me clothe me. it never ends with the whining. Tighten up people. Stop blaming dogs and guns and lack of god for whatever problem confronts you. It is up to you as a free American citizen to take part in life. Not run from it and complain about it. Freedom isn’t free. It takes hard work and tolerance of things that don’t fall with in your own personal belief system and circle of tolerance.

Educated Lady

September 30th, 2010
12:45 pm

Those that feel that “Pit Bulls” are dangerous and vicious dogs is simply lacking education on the breed. I encourage those individuals to have the courage to seek out information about this breed even if it proves your current theories wrong. I went through the process and I have gone from ignorance to advocate. Education brings knowledge. Anyone who educates themselves on the American Pit Bull Terrier knows this breed was called the “nanny dog”, was a poster dog for the military for it’s values of strength, courage, and loyalty. Starred in movies such as “The Little Rascals”. Several are CGC certified and are therapy dogs. If a “pit bull” is inherently dangerous and vicious, none of these examples would be possible. I am a proud owner of an APBT. A sweetheart of an animal that lives with two other dogs, visits a farm of 15 other dogs twice a week to play, and harmoniously lives two children– one of which is 5 years old. Ah yes… there is one problem… she can’t control her licker. ;)

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

BullyBob,

Thank you for your conversation regarding the Pit bull.

What would you do personally if you left the room and heard a fight going on in the next room? Doesn’t it make you nervous?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
12:49 pm

Where to begin…

‘There is a woman by the name of Collen Lynn ( who Cecker may well be) who runs a website Dogbite.org’ — Never heard of her so obviously she is not me.

‘It was as if something just snapped in the Pit bull.’ — That’s a common theme in pit bull attacks on humans and other animals.

‘Pit Bull Rescue Central (PBRC) has a list of insurance companies for people that own pit bull type dogs.’ — Hmm, I wonder why these sweeties require specialized insurance.

‘I’m ot saying all are bred just as companions but you cannot blame a dog for fighting if it was trained to do that that’s the owners fault and they should be criticized, not the breed.’ — Actually you can criticize both as fighting is the ‘raison d’etre’ of a pit bull.

‘however once they do fight…its a sure thing which dog is going to win. I leave my pit bull type dogs home together all the time and most owners do.. but it can happen.’ — Really, who would have thought that about the sweet pit bull?

‘People are more intelligent than digs and they still go and harm other people so apparently some people are holding dogs to a higher standard apparently.’ — No comment necessary.

‘Here you are defending the pit bull and you are saying that these attacks happen… Sounds a little contrary…’ — Amen.

‘Ever here of Tia Maria… she runs Villalobos and is the lady on Pit Bulls and Paroles… she talks about 2 male pit bulls that were best of friends then one day one bumps into the other when going through a door.. then it “was on”…’ — How can that be? I am certain that these dogs were extremely well trained and you all are so insistent that if you just train your pit bull properly, this won’t happen.

‘Anyway what appears to be an out of the blue attack.. Wilton locked onto Petunia.. it took a good 3 minutes to get them apart and I was in a tight corner. I made the error of grabbing Wilton muzzle and received a sever puncher wound.. my confidence in Wilton was lost.. he was euthanized that day.’ — Another shocking story from Bully. Aren’t your dogs well trained?

‘Actually Cekker, if you do a search, you will find a story from California about a chihuaha that killed a 2 week old infant and ripper her to shreds’ — Congratulations! You found 1, count it, 1 incidence of a crazy chihuahua killing a 2 week old. Now try NOT to find thousands of incidences of pit bull attacks on people of all ages using your same detective skills.

‘I can understand not wanting a pit bull type dog..’ — What? When they are so sweet and reliable?

‘A Poodle, Labrador, Dachshund just to name a few can do just as much harm to a child as any working breed dog.’ — How about to an adult?

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:55 pm

Educated Lady

My experience was just the opposite from your experience. I was pro Pit bull up until last week when my friends pit bull tore apart his German Shepard… Both of his dogs were so sweet and they also were trained. He is a well experienced and responsible dog owner. This experience is what caused me to look at the news feeds and realize that there are a lot of pit bull attacks that occur. I’m not sure how this should be handled. I am all for freedom but it seems that the victims of the dog attacks are generally not the dog owner. Should there be a special license for those wanting a pit bull proving that they understand what it takes to be a responsible owner?

NotaSheep

September 30th, 2010
12:56 pm

Shocking-the other dogs are not “pitbull type”. Most are not even terriers. If you read the definition you yourself posted more carefully, you will see that “pitbull type” dogs are varying versions of the staffordshire terrier and nothing else. Boxers, Dogo Argentinas, and Ca de Bous have no “pitbull type” qualities and are still identified as “pitbulls” or “pitbull types”. Thank you for helping prove my point that people can’t even tell me what a “pitbull” is and yet have no problem identifying one in a fight

Jenwolf74

September 30th, 2010
12:57 pm

here is an interesting little video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtqXudr7qAQ It’s called Pit Bull Hoax. It’s about 15 minutes long or there abouts, I didn’t look at the time. The video is VERY educational & may change a couple of minds…. well lets only hope anyways.

Dr. Pangloss: Bully Breeds are used EVERYWHERE as assistant dogs actually if you watch the video you will see a couple of examples.

To Everyone that says Pit Bulls are bad… Before Vick happened, it was Rotweillers, before that it was Shepards, Before that it was Dobies. (probably not in that order but you get the idea) It’s whatever the media fells like picking on in that era.

To whoever said you never here of a poodle or chi-chi biting your face off… well… those stories don’t make it to the media because it’s not exciting!!!! The only dog I have ever been bitten by is a chi-chi & I am always around other dogs because I just have to say hi to all of them. I have an Irish Setter mix who is all belly up to people & most of the time to other dogs but if the dog sniffs her butt for too long, she will attack. My neighbors have two american pits that are out front every once in awhile everyone runs away & it pisses me off because although the owners are crackhead scum… their bullys are the SWEETEST babies & full of love. My dog went off on them too because they were sniffing too much.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:59 pm

JoeBully…well I like the last name.. but the neighborhood sounds scary.. just not a pro gun person which you may say sounds contrary.. because I am pro pit bull all the way.
I got held up at gun point years ago and ever since then dont like them.

I will say I feel very secure with my dogs.. especially Jack.. very mellow guy but there is no doubt in my mind he would protect me with his life if necessary.
As soon as I get some personal stuff taken care of I am adopting another pit bull.. I always like 3 in my pack and if my vet bills didnt keep me broke I would have 5.
I really dont know what my neigbors think about my dogs other than the fact that they say your dogs never bark..I dont ask them.. and my neighbor didnt ask me when he cut down all the trees out back to put in a stupid swimming pool and I see his fat behind swimming ever summer.. gross..

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
1:00 pm

‘To whoever said you never here of a poodle or chi-chi biting your face off… well… those stories don’t make it to the media because it’s not exciting!!!!’

Are you joking? A chihuahua ripping someones face off would be national headlines for weeks! ET and Good Morning America would be on it like white on rice!

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
1:02 pm

Not a Sheep,

I did not prove your point at all. I searched for a definition of Pit bull and posted that. I did not comment on the dogs in the link that you posted.

Chris

September 30th, 2010
1:04 pm

lyss

September 30th, 2010
1:10 pm

pit bulls are amazing dogs. it is never a dogs fault, it is always the ower. look up stats about dog attacks each year, and you will be suprised as to what dog it is! you people just get sucked into the media and start to assume that pits are bad dogs. i have a pit myself and she is the most kind and loving dog ever. she has never even hurt a fly on the wall. people that are quick to judge this breed are just straight up lazy! they dont take the time to research the breed, they just sit there and watch action or drama movies and think they know what they are talking about….
stop punishing the dogs, and start punishing the people!

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
1:12 pm

Chris

In that case the baby was saved but if it is true as Bully Bob agreed that a pit bull can snap then that story could have just as well been about the pit bull snapping and hurting the baby.

I am finding this to be so confusing… My friends pit bull tore apart his other dog and he never showed any aggression whatsoever in his life up to that point in time. I hope people with babies aren’t being swayed to go out and get a “protective pit bull” for their baby after reading that article.

jenalyzabeth

September 30th, 2010
1:15 pm

That “mayor” needs to be fired. He’s going to support a law based on what he “see’s on TV”? If he supports everything that he see’s on television, I would be terrified to live in his town! Not enough people take the time to look up the facts and see that Lab’s are infact higher up on the list of “dog incidents” that Pit Bulls. And Dr. Pangloss, you are the one that needs to get it right….Pit Bulls are, not suprisingly, wonderful Therapy Dogs. I have in fact made a career of Recuing and Rehabing Pit’s and training them to be Therapy Dogs and even Reading Aides for illiterate children. I’m sure that you are far to simple minded to stop and think about the fact that ANY dog is capable of falling into the wrong hands and becoming agressive. Before you haul off and start calling people “quacks”, check your facts!!

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
1:16 pm

Cekker.. so what kind of dog do you own ? Or did it run off from you ?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
1:16 pm

‘I hope people with babies aren’t being swayed to go out and get a “protective pit bull” for their baby after reading that article.’

Shocking, I am afraid that many of our current commentators will think that is a dandy idea.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
1:21 pm

Bully, no dog for me. I live in a condo and can’t stand the thought of keeping it cooped up all day. But if I do, I would love to get a Boston Terrier rescue dog. You know, a dog that does not have a zillion incidences of ripping other dogs and people to shreds.

Does that mean that I am too inexperienced to comment?

jenalyzabeth

September 30th, 2010
1:28 pm

Cekker-I have owned Boston Terriers my whole life and although I love them dearly they are one of the top dogs on the “bite list”. And your comment disturbes me….”You can’t stand the thought of keeping it cooped up all day in your condo, but you would love to get a Boston Terrier” So from what I gather, it’s ok to keep certain breeds cooped up but not others? That comment alone answers your own question…Yes, you are in fact to inexperienced to comment!

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
1:31 pm

“Cekker.. so what kind of dog do you own ? Or did it run off from you ?”

Oh, that made me laugh!

Well BullyBob, you are proof that you can own a Pit bull and still have a sense of humor. I don’t like taking the side of more legislation, I think that there are enough laws. I personally do not want a Pit bull since I would always be wary but I think that making more laws is not the answer. We have too many of those laws already. Maybe we need to do a neighborhood watch type of thing where we can help out the police in terms of locations of dog fighters. Clearly the whole dog fighting industry is out of control or our shelters wouldn’t be so full of pit bulls in the first place. I would like to know from a staffordshire terrier owner if their dogs show any hidden “trigger” to aggression or if it is just the dogs that are being bred by the fighters that have that “trigger” seeing as they are breeding their most vicious fighters.

Chris

September 30th, 2010
1:34 pm

It seems like nothing said here will change anyones mind. I know the truth, and foster pitty’s and do my best to put a dent in the bad rap they get. Meanest dog in my house is my mini schnauser. Pits are more common because they can have up to 14 puppies in a litter thats why its important to spay and neuter people. Pitty’s are loyal to a fault and will do anything to please their human. the most sickning tape I ever saw was 2 pits fighting and the one loosing was half dead and laying bleeding on the ground and his handler said to the dog “come on girl you can do it” and the dog wagged his tail at the sound of his owners voice. Thats why this breed is choosen by idiots for dog fighting. The other thing about pitty’s is they are dog selective as they mature. Some do fine with other dogs but its in the breeds nature so you never leave them with another dog unattended. I never reccomend dog parks for them either because no matter what happens even if another dog starts a problem it will always be the pittys fault.

Angie

September 30th, 2010
1:36 pm

I have professionally trained over 1,000 dogs. The breeds that have bitten me the most? Chihuahuas are at the top of the list. Others include Boxers, Labs, Cockers, Shi Tzus, Dachsunds, and Mutts. No pit bull in my class ever attempted to bite me or anyone in class. Were people in the same class afraid of their pit bull classmate? You better believe it, but most warmed up after a few sessions. Now, not all pit bulls were dog-friendly, but this can be expected, so long as we are aware and use prevention. We all know all dogs are capable of biting. Yes, pit bulls are capable of doing serious harm. That’s why you hear about them and not the Chihuahua or some other breed. That’s why attorneys “think” they know it all when it comes to dog bites. People generally won’t report a small dog biting them because it’s cute and small, how dangerous can they possibly be? Why would anyone sue a person for their cute dog biting them? You would be laughed at. Now, see an attorney for a pit bull attack and they’re all over it. And they should, but that should be the case with any breed.
Now that doesn’t mean I never saw unruly pit bulls. I most definitely did. I spoke to the owners of these dogs, warned them of the potential harm and recommended training. These people refused, they felt their dog didn’t need it, some said that’s how they want their dog. Now these people are idiots to say the least. They should not own a dog, much less a pit bull. I saw people who got a pit bull for their first dog, most of them didn’t know a thing about them, some didn’t even know they got a pit bull. They should not have done that, but I definitely let them know that socializing, training, and exercising were very important. If any dog, including pit bulls, received adequate amounts of attention, exercise (backyard is not enough), training (positive reinforcement method), and socializing (with lots of people and pets), you would almost never hear of a dog bite or attack.

jenalyzabeth

September 30th, 2010
1:42 pm

Well said Chris, people see only one side of the story. They see a story of a Pit Bull attack and thats the end of it….they don’t see the otherside, the side that shows the horrific life that the dog was forced to endure. I also rescue and rehab Pits to become therapy dogs. Obviously dogs with a fighting history can’t become therapy dogs but they still deserve a loving home….these attacks need to be blamed on the pathetic owner that trained them to fight, not the dog.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
1:42 pm

Shockingtruth… if I heard a pit bull fight going on in the next room with my dogs… the adreline would kick in and I would go in a do my best to break up the fight. My dog Jack always has a martingale on. You can twist a martingale like a turnquit (spelling) and cut off the air supply. When all my present pack were younger I always had martingales on them to I would have a good handle to hold the dog.
Even though I own break sticks .. they are always somewhere else when the few fights I have been invovled with break out.
The first fight a shepard got loose and attacked Petunia.. I only had Meg at the time so the two girls packed the shepard.. I my mind I thought I am going to see a dog killed in front of me.. anyway the owner finally came out because I was yelling at the top of my lungs for help. Petunia let go of the shepard which left Meg.. I was a very good amatue body builder so I grabbed her muzzle and literally pulled her muzzle apart.. I realized if she tries to bite and misses and gets my finger I am going to loose a finger.. but I had to stop the fight.. and did.
The second fight was with Wilton and Petunia and you know about that one.
The third I had my pack out on 30ft lines. Petunia and Jack were going after a mole in the ground. I heard some growling and like an idiot thought “they will work it out”.. well Jack got to close to Petunia and she bite him on the nose.. that did it he got her down and was literally shaking her…I grabbed the martingale and twisted it so his air got shut off.. but beleive me after the Wilton incident.. kept my hand off his muzzle.
One other fight at the shelter was when I was getting a female pitty out she grabbed another dogs leg… she would not let go even with twisting the martingale… finally a cold bucket of water in the face and she let go.. she was PTS a week later.

Now I know old Cekker will be jumping up and down with boy oh boy more ammuntion.. well first of all Cekker I dont give a damn about you and your opinion cause I think your close minded and stupid (not ignorant but stupid)
I am writing this to let pit bull owners know that 99 per cent of the time your dog is going to be its loving self. The dogs I own now sleep in bed with me and if I were fearful of them I would not do this. But please pay attention to the warning signs.. think it through how you would break up a fight before it happens. (chances are it wont but it can happen)
One other thing.. people want to much damn protection from laws. Beleive me BSL is not going to protect you from a dog bite.. in fact BSL is not enforced where it does exist.. because ACO’s are over worked and under paid. I have told ACO’s ‘man there are so many dogs now in my neighborhood” and they look at me like how could that be hardly any dogs are shown to be registed in your neighborhood..
Well I doubt if any anti pit bull haters will change their mind .. but on the ohter hand I doubt if any pit bull nutters (as we are called) are going to change their mind.. just thought I would share with shockingbutrue..

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
1:46 pm

Cekker and you choose a boston terrier… my God they used to be used as fighting dogs and I not lying.. when I was growing up my neighbors had a Boston Terror which was the meanest little dog I have ever run across.. they are a dog if you do not drain its energy every day is mean. They used to have 3 weight classes for Bostons… the heavy weight came in about 30 lbs.. man you need to do some research and your knowledge which I thought might be limited is truly lacking.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
1:47 pm

jenalyzabeth — You infer too much. Let me expand my statement

‘But if I do GET A HOUSE THAT HAS A FENCED BACK YARD THAT I CAN TAKE THE DOG OUT AND LET HIM RUN AND BE A DOG AND NOT JUST TAKE HIM ON LEASHED WALKS 3 TIMES A DAY, I would love to get a Boston Terrier rescue dog.’

Make sense now? I would not want to keep a dog of any breed cooped up in that situation.

As for the temperament of a Boston, I know it well as we had one for 16 years when I was younger. He could snap and be testy but we never worried about him ripping our throats out. Can’t say that about a pit bull though, can we?

Chris

September 30th, 2010
1:57 pm

Here are some Facts about the breed incase anyone is interested.

http://www.pittyloverescue.org/info/display?PageID=8989

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
2:08 pm

jenn

September 30th, 2010
2:08 pm

Iown two pitbulls myself and am a responsible dog owner. It is unfair to punish the breed instead of unresponsible dog owners.

jenalyzabeth

September 30th, 2010
2:09 pm

Cekker- First, I would like to be the first to commend you on something….wanting to get a rescue dog. There aren’t nearly enough people willing to do that, for any breed. And second, you must understand that ANY dog is capable of being agressive, big or small. Pit’s are simply targeted by dog fighters because of their strength, intelligence and willingness to please their owner. None of these are bad qualities, they are simply taken advantage of in the wrong ways. No dog WANTS to fight to the death for no reason but when they spend their whole life being specifically train to either do so or recieve unimaginable punishment, they run out of options and have no choice. They are trained to think that this is what they are supposed to do…how can you blame that on a dog that has never seen any sort of love or affection, a dog that has had no human contact other than beatings?

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

Cekker… I would not say that he could not rip a throat out .. a Boston.. I would say up into about 8 years old they very well could and they certainly could take an eye out, an ear off or the little finger on hand. One of our doxies got ahold of my Dads thumb one day and nearly took that off..
You ever hear look who is calling the kettle black ?
Also I would never leave a dog in the back yard by its self.. and I have known a lot of people with pitties and other dogs in condos.. they just take them for a nice LONG walk.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
2:16 pm

BullyBob

Well in my case this discussion has been a productive one.

Even though I am not pro owning a Pit bull myself, I am against the legislation that is being discussed. I would rather see the money that it takes to pass a new law on enforcing what we have which would help the situation. I really don’t think that will happen and I strongly feel that education can help.

I hope that people like BullyBob can educate other Pit bull owners so that there are fewer incidents of accidents involving the Pit bull.

As for the Pit bull advocates that just blatantly and irresponsibly claim that Pit bulls are sweet and not to worry, START WORRYING! Don’t let you sister’s baby pull the pit bulls ears to show how sweet the dog is! Don’t act as if your dog does not have potential issues. Be responsible and live with you dog in a way that you can protect both your dog and those around him/her. Your loving Pit bull was bred to fight and win so live accordingly! Be cautious!

Also, the Pit bulls in our shelters were all bred irresponsibly and that needs to stop but it will take time and resources. People need to report these dogs that are being bred… Breeding for fighting is just plain wrong.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
2:23 pm

Shokingbutrue;;;good post and good discussion… here is somehting that I am guilty of cutting and pasting and from one of the links.
It enforces my they do give warning signs:
“Pit Bulls ‘turn’ on their owners.” Dogs, as a species, do not perform
behaviors “just because”. There are always reasons for behavior, and
when aggression becomes a problem the reasons can be such things as
improper handling, lack of socialization or training, a misreading of dog
behavior by the owner, or, rarely, disease. Aggression, when it presents
in pet dogs, follows specific patterns. First occur warning signs, then
more warning signs, and finally, when those signs are continually
ignored or misinterpreted, the dog resorts to using its teeth. When an
owner is startled by a sudden, aggressive outburst, it is because they
have been unaware of problems that were brewing. This is true of all
dogs, not just Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls, indeed no dogs, “turn” on their owners.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
2:31 pm

‘Cekker… I would not say that he could not rip a throat out .. a Boston..’

I never said that a Boston COULD not rip a throat out; I’m saying that you don’t worry about it happening because it never does.

Jenwolf74

September 30th, 2010
2:34 pm

Cekker I am LMFAO!!!!!!! The Boton Terrier is on the BSL list!!!!!! Check it out…..

http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/07/bsl-shocker-a-list-of-75-dogs-that-are-banned-or-restricted/

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
2:56 pm

Jenwolf…why is that so funny? It’s clearly a moronic list.

And no where do you find me defending anti-breed laws.

I just think that people who talk about how sweet pit bulls are, and how trustworthy they are, and how they would never hurt a fly, and how they can be trusted around their 4-year old child, and on and on ad nauseum, have a few screws loose and ignore reality.

LYFAO about that!

Barr Cod (and chinese Carp)

September 30th, 2010
3:09 pm

Do we need restrictive measures for Pitbulls? Yes, of course, hell they are almost as dangerous as gang members.

Angie, Angie, Angie

September 30th, 2010
3:17 pm

Angie,

we’re not talking about “dogs that bite the most.” We’re talking about dogs that can mame and kill….pit bulls….duh, whats your problem?

Poke

September 30th, 2010
3:18 pm

I love my Pitty. She’s a sweet, sweet girl. Can I say she would never harm another person or animal or cause an ‘incident’? No, I can’t. Then again, the same goes for my 2 Chihuahuas. Animals are animals. They have minds of their own. It’s up to the owner of any breed of dog to ensure their dog isn’t a complete nutbag and can conduct themselves in a public setting. Why punish a dog because its owner is a moron?

Jenwolf74

September 30th, 2010
3:24 pm

It is funny because the original article discussed the BSL and somehow whenever the BSL is mentioned; pit bulls become the subject but too many people talk without knowledge without realizing that there are LOTS of breeds on the list including little cutsie yapper dogs!!!

I would own a pit bull in a heartbeat & I have a 7 y/o who loves dogs as much as me, but the laws prohibit me from doing so unless I buy a house. We have breed specific rental restrictions. I would be more worried about my dog (Irish Setter mix) going off on the pitty more than I would the opposite. It doesn’t matter the breed, if they are trained or not trained, or whatever… you piss a dog off, it will bite. My dog is a big baby but let a dog over-invade her personal space……..

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
3:30 pm

Oh boy…

I thought most pit bulls were bred by people who fight them. So I did a search on pit bull breeders… It made me want to vomit. No mention of health… a lot of statements about how great they are with little kids… Lightning bolts flashing… dogs with mean fighting names…. one website had extreme pit bulls which were bred very large and they of course had to have multiple photos with a child. The whole pit bull community seems geared toward tough love with an emphasis on TOUGH…

There are soo many if these websites!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
3:31 pm

‘Animals are animals. They have minds of their own. It’s up to the owner of any breed of dog to ensure their dog isn’t a complete nutbag and can conduct themselves in a public setting.’

That’s the point Poke; they have minds of their own. You cannot ‘train’ instinct out of a dog. Period.

That instinct stays in the animal it’s entire life. In an instant it can spring out and the well-trained terrier chases the squirrel while you yell like a madman for it to stop; or the well-trained lab jumps in the water despite what you have to say; or the well-trained pit bull rips your friends face off while you stand in shock.

Poke

September 30th, 2010
3:51 pm

Cekker I agree to a point. I trust my dog. I do not think she would ever harm me personally. I spent 2 years training her. Not because of her breed, but because i’m a responsible dog owner. On the same note, I would never intentionally put my dog in a situation where an incident could take place. She is always supervised with children, other dogs, and new people. All of my dogs are (boxer, 2 chihuahuas). In the four years that I have had her, she has never shown a single sign of aggression but, you can never say never, right? Same goes for every other breed, though. She has given me a reason to trust her. I love Pitbulls but more importantly, I love my Pitbull. I do not appreciate being lumped into a category with the people who breed animals for aggressive purposes but it is what it is. I Chose to have her and I know what it entailed as far as the stigma goes. I just seriously hope people who outright hate the breed will eventually realize that it is not the breed, its the retarded owners who gravitate to them. BTW, Bostons are an awesome breed. You should rescue one ;)

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
3:54 pm

Thanks Poke. I wish you and your dog the best. As for the Boston…hopefully soon!

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
3:58 pm

Poke,

” I do not appreciate being lumped into a category with the people who breed animals for aggressive purposes but it is what it is.”

So, who bred your pit bull?

WillyBoy

September 30th, 2010
4:06 pm

It would seem that the common man is not too intelligent. He’s a perfect example of someone who “knows” all about a subject from what he’s seen on T.V.. It’s painfully obvious that he’s never owned or had any actual experience with an APBT and most likely couldn’t even pick one out of a crowd of dogs. Ancient Greece??? Where did that little tidbit come from? The “Pit Bull” or more properly pit dog comes to us from 19th century Ireland and has absolutely nothing to do with Greece ancient or otherwise. The American Pit Bull Terrier or APBT has only been in existence since the early mid 20th century and is an exclusively American invention decended from the Irish pit dog among other breeds. Does the APBT have fighting dog ancestors? Absolutely! Have APBTs been used in dog fighting? Sure! You might however be surprised to find that many other dog breeds share this same background and are not currently recognized as dangerous. What breeds are those you might ask? Well, how about Shar peis, GSDs, Huskys, Malamutes, Wolf hounds… The list is long and includes just about all medium to large breeds. Funny thing is that proportional to their numbers APBTs are among the least likely dogs to bite. That can’t be I hear you say. It’s all over the news and internet! The correct response to that widely held belief is: Don’t believe everything you see on TV and the internet. Let me give you just one example of how the numbers are manipulated. When calculating the number of bites from “pit bulls” it’s common practice for “sources” to include all data from incidents involving “pit bulls” This term has come to include not only APBTs but also any dog breed that shares a similar history i.e. AmStafs, English Staffs, English Bull Terriers, American bull dogs, Boxers and in some cases even Mastiffs and Presso canarios etc. In addition to these “pure bred” dogs the bite incident data from ALL dogs crossed (mutts) to the so called “bully breeds” are also included. So, if your dog is 1/8 APBT and 7/8 GSD the stats count it as a “pit bull” (don’t laugh, I’ve actually seen this done). Hold on now, it doesn’t end there folks because included in these stats are also bite incidents from any dog that “substantially resembles” a “pit bull”. What the hell does that mean you ask? I’ll tell you. If your Boxer Lab cross bites the neighbor kid who hopped the fence into your yard… Ta Da! It magically becomes a “pit bull”. All told this magically INCREASES the number of “pit bulls” to about 15% of the American dog population or about 5 times the actual percentage. But wait…here comes the real magic! When calculating the percentage of bites per breed they throw it in reverse and use the actual number of registered APBTs (about 3% of the American dog population) as the number of “pit bulls” in the nation. Do you see it? Percentage of biting dogs that are “pit bulls” = 15. Percent of the dog population that is APBTs = 3. This radically increases the perceived percentage of “bites” caused by APBTs.
Now why did I put bite in quotation marks? Well, I did that because when dealing with “pit bulls” the definition of “bite” gets a bit distorted. In many jurisdictions a “pit bull” has “bitten” someone any time it leaves a mark on the skin. So, if your pit bull is playing with the neighbor kid and accidentally scratches him guess what? It’s a “bite”. Folks, when adjusted for these statistical “faults” it turns out that APBTs are one of the LEAST likely dogs to bite. In fact it’s the good ‘ole family Labrador Retriever that is most likely to bite followed closely by that great American standby the Golden Retriever. BEWARE of people who have no experience and claim to be “EXPERTS”

Poke

September 30th, 2010
4:07 pm

A nice older couple who were not educated in the area of fixing their dogs bred my dog. Not only did I take home a puppy, I made available to them the resources needed to have their dogs fixed. Voila! No more puppies.

Jenwolf74

September 30th, 2010
4:19 pm

Willy boy… that is the best breakdown of statistics I have read on this page all day. Excellent job!!!

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
4:29 pm

Poke

I guess the ‘older couple’ was too old to own a dog that was bred to fight… and of course their puppies would never snap like my friends dog did. Cain was a big lovable dog too only he was a ticking time bomb.

Poke

September 30th, 2010
4:40 pm

Animals, like people are a product of their environment. If your friends dog snapped, chances are it wasn’t supervised/trained/treated properly. Blame your friend, not an entire breed. Also, don’t get down on people who are responsible with their pets (not just Pitbulls). I’m here speaking solely on behalf of my dog and she is not a ticking time bomb. Shes a happy dog with a happy life. <3

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
4:59 pm

My friend is a very responsible dog owner. He trained his dogs and socialized them with people and other animals. His Cain never showed any sign of aggression and if you were to ask any of us who knew Cain, we would have said that he was the sweetest thing on four paws. Both dogs were neutered so you can’t blame that either. You people who parade around ignoring your breed’s purpose are the ones who are detrimental to the breed. BullyBob acknowledges the breed’s characteristics and handles his dogs accordingly. Its the people who use their babies for photo ops and make statements such as yourself ignoring the breed’s characteristics who are causing problems. You can’t ignore all the episodes in the news and just lay back and say that the breed is always sweet and loving. Clearly there is some kind of trigger that goes off in these dogs brains that cause them to attack.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
5:05 pm

Sure WillyBoy.

The poor pit bulls are being picked on and scapegoated and you have all the facts and figures to prove it, right?

Pit bull attacks are about as common as moon landings…we get it.

Jenwolf74

September 30th, 2010
5:08 pm

Shockingbut true…. “Clearly there is some kind of trigger that goes off in these dogs brains that cause them to attack.”

I say that about Rotties who were the “pit bull” 20-30 years ago. I was sitting there petting a rottie & she was just enjoying the hell out of it when all of a sudden…. Cujo!!!!! Luckily I was fast enough & didn’t get bit then she started nuzzling me for more love…. umm… yea… But I will still pet one & I still think they are beautiful dogs too….

Poke

September 30th, 2010
5:22 pm

I do not ignore my breeds characteristics and I do not baby or parade my dog around. I just do not and will not agree that every Pitbull everywhere WILL eventually rip the face off of a small child or whatever. It just IS NOT the truth. And I will say again : I am speaking solely on behalf of my dog. You seem to be only taking bits and pieces of what I’m saying and running with it. Originally what i stated was :

” I love my Pitty. She’s a sweet, sweet girl. Can I say she would never harm another person or animal or cause an ‘incident’? No, I can’t.”

Now, where in that statement do you find I’m ignoring the potential for my dog to be dangerous? I know the potential, trust me, I’m well aware. How can I not be when people like you shove it down my throat. I have a Pitbull, You do not like Pitbulls. Deal with it. Deal with the fact that some of them are good animals, good pets and good family members. They’re not all ‘Cains’ <3

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
5:58 pm

ShockingbutTrue… there is only one breeder I would ever consider.. That is York Kennels.. take a look at her website.. she breeds for temperment like the old days… the problem with pit bulls now is interbreeding and breeding for aggression. I vol at a shelter so I have a huge choice of pit bulls to take home.. Jack came in with a female dog and was known for his ability to get along with other dogs and a dog behavorist evaluated him and helped me introduce him to my other dogs. As a result of his good disposition he has a great home. There are other pit bulls at the shelter that I feel sorry for but would never consider to adopt… I like multiple dogs and with pit bulls finding ones that are rock solid with other dogs is hard to find. Even with Jacks great disposition he almost killed Petunia over a mole…. that was a huge vet bill.. plus the few fights I have been involved with age me.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
6:09 pm

Shocking but true visit ABDA site or whatever the kennel assoication is that accepts pit bulls…. a bunch of dog fighters…period.

Hello Bully

September 30th, 2010
6:11 pm

I invite all of you to read our 2010 BSL REPORT. I have owned rescued Pit Bulls since 1995, will never own another breed, founded and work (unpaid) for a rescue and advocacy group, and ADORE my Pit Bulls. But the truth is that fighting BSL is about facts, not about how wonderful our dogs are.

http://www.hellobully.com/bsledu.html

Daisy
Hello Bully

steph

September 30th, 2010
6:40 pm

So, black people commit most of the crimes. I think black people should be banned.

How does this statement sound? Ignorant, maybe?

HIckorys

September 30th, 2010
8:15 pm

The only problem with pit bulls *does* go back to the owners. This is a loyal breed with a high drive to please their people. This is what makes them easy to train to do bad things by stupid, lowlife people. If the owner is happy with what it is teaching the dog to do, the pittie will continue to do it because it makes its owner happy – it doesn’t necessarily know that what it’s doing is wrong or bad because its person is happy.

Pittie owner

September 30th, 2010
8:16 pm

Cain wouldn’t have attacked his sibling dog if they would both have been crated when unsupervised. A dog is an animal. A dog aggressive dog isn’t a human aggressive dog. My late golden was dog aggressive… she only liked dogs she lived with and they had to start out as puppies. And i had to crate one when we were out cause I didn’t want to take the chance that anything would happen. Does that make my golden dangerous? No. Cain wasn’t dangerous to people, Cain needed to be crated when alone or the GSD did. Thats responsible ownership!

We think dogs/animals think like humans.. “oh i should know better” says the dog… NOT! They do not. It is up to us humans/owners to properly care for our pets (animals). And if we own multiple dogs especially pitties, we should use crates.

I have two pitties who are well trained and well behaved. We crate them when we are not home. That is for their best interest and ours. If they got into a fight, I wouldnt want to see the result. Even human siblings fight sometimes. Once they get into it, they wont stop… yes it is in their nature. So we must work with that. It isn’t their nature to rip a persons face off… or be aggressive to humans. Dog and human aggression are TWO different things. Look it up.

Rescuing dogs whatever your preferred breed is definitely a good way to go! Too many dogs/cats get put to sleep needlessly. Its very sad.

staffielover

September 30th, 2010
8:42 pm

First of all who says that pittie aren’t service dogs. I would beg to differ i own a staffie who is registered as my service dog. And there have been pittie threw out time that have done some great things. The first ever decorated military dog was a pittie(look it up). Where i am from we just had a pittie save a little dog from a coyote. But you don’t hear that in the news all u hear is that they attack some one. It wasn’t to long ago when they were trying to do the same thing to other breeds (like chows,doberman,rottie) now it’s the pittis who’s next. I am all for tougher dangerious dog laws as well as maybe some dog training for both owner n the dog. But the BSL is the wrong way to go about it. because pitties will just be the start of the breed banding next will come another breed an another it will never stop. someone will always have a problem with a dog breed

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
8:44 pm

Good God, there too many morons in the world…

‘Even human siblings fight sometimes. Once they get into it, they wont stop… yes it is in their nature’

True…but when did you ever hear of a human ripping out the throat of its brother or sister?

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
8:48 pm

“The truth, which all you pit bull defenders deny, is that the ancestor of the pit bull was bred to rip the face off of other dogs, or humans, or anything that got in its way. That is why it is so popular amongst drug dealers and other thugs.”

Oh Hi Cekker… Your wrong on that part.. Pit Bulls where NOT breed to rip faces of… unlike you who was breed to be judgmental of God creation and have to believe the money hungry media!

Since you don’t like a Pit Bull and you want to live on here… Just an FYI Your not going to change anyone’s mind on here that LOVES Pit Bulls… So go live your life off of this page!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
8:51 pm

‘So, black people commit most of the crimes. I think black people should be banned.

How does this statement sound? Ignorant, maybe?’

Maybe ignorant and racist is how it sounds. You need psychological help if that is the only comment on this subject you can come up with.

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
8:53 pm

So, black people commit most of the crimes. I think black people should be banned.

How does this statement sound? Ignorant, maybe?’

Maybe ignorant and racist is how it sounds. You need psychological help if that is the only comment on this subject you can come up with.

It maybe the only one but, at least it makes more sense then you and also sounds like you! Sorry but you CEKKER sounds racist to me about animals!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
8:54 pm

‘Pit Bulls where NOT breed to rip faces of’

Really ‘genius’ PitBull Lover? Explain why God’s creation was…well, created

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
8:56 pm

Cekker… Your a waist of my time… go get a life!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
8:59 pm

Yawn…another quitter.

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
8:59 pm

Really ‘genius’ PitBull Lover? Explain why God’s creation was…well, created <– Thank you I am a "GENIUS" PitBull Lover!!

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:02 pm

Yawn another hateful person who needs to be locked up in a room with a Loving Pit Bull!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:03 pm

That was in ‘quotes’

That means I am making fun of you, ‘genius.’

Now, go give your lovable pitty a big French kiss for me.

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:05 pm

I took it has a complement thank you!!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:05 pm

‘Really ‘genius’ PitBull Lover? Explain why God’s creation was…well, created’

And waiting…

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:06 pm

Cekker… what type of dog do you like??

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:06 pm

‘Really ‘genius’ PitBull Lover? Explain why God’s creation was…well, created’

And waiting…

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:07 pm

Go ask God yourself… Cause I am thankful he made PIT BULLS! You must not go to Church do you?? That’s why you are such a hater to his CREATIONS!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:11 pm

‘Cekker… what type of dog do you like??’

Not telling…because you will search the net far and wide to find some hideous story about my preferred breed and then use it to cripple my argument. you are on your own to find out what type of dog I like.

Good luck!

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:15 pm

By the way… I have a life. I don’t need to argue with a BRAINLESS NON EDUCATED person! You don’t amuse me and You are nothing to me… so I am going to go live my wonderful life…

BY THE WAY… CEKKER… YOU CAN LIVE ON HERE ALL YOU WANT AND NOT GET ANYWHERE.. BUT, THINK ABOUT IT.. ALL ANIMALS ATTACK NOT JUST PIT’S.. ANY CAN DO DAMAGE.. AND ANY DOG CAN TURN ON THERE OWNER. BUT, NOT ALL ANIMALS ARE THE SAME.. NOT ALL PIT BULLS ARE THE SAME LIKE NOT ALL HUMANS ARE THE SAME. LIKE ME AND YOU.. I AM NOT LIVING ON HERE LIKE YOU ARE. SO… KEEP WASTING YOU LIFE ON HERE.. CAUSE GOD KNOWS YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:17 pm

‘Go ask God yourself… Cause I am thankful he made PIT BULLS! You must not go to Church do you?? That’s why you are such a hater to his CREATIONS!’

Church (insert denomination here)= God = Pit Bull

Got it…will sleep better now.

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:18 pm

‘Cekker… what type of dog do you like??’

Not telling…because you will search the net far and wide to find some hideous story about my preferred breed and then use it to cripple my argument. you are on your own to find out what type of dog I like.

Good luck!

YEA your right.. I would because you know your so called favorite breed is not so perfect either… and you don’t have an argument.. because there is nothing else to argue with you about!

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:18 pm

YOUR LAME CEKKER

Church (insert denomination here)= God = Pit Bull

Got it…will sleep better now.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:21 pm

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND RESPONSE PIT BULL LOVER. ALL CAPS MAKE ME REVERE THE SACRED PIT BULL EVEN MORE.

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:25 pm

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND RESPONSE PIT BULL LOVER. ALL CAPS MAKE ME REVERE THE SACRED PIT BULL EVEN MORE. <– your welcome… have a nice life…

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:35 pm

‘your welcome… have a nice life…’

Do and shall PitBull Lover. My best to you and your charming pit bull/concubine. Give it a smooch for me, will you.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:38 pm

‘My late golden was dog aggressive… she only liked dogs she lived with and they had to start out as puppies. And i had to crate one when we were out cause I didn’t want to take the chance that anything would happen. Does that make my golden dangerous?’

Yes, it does make your Golden aggressive…sorry.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:40 pm

‘The only problem with pit bulls *does* go back to the owners’

Wrong.

Pittie owner

September 30th, 2010
9:40 pm

well there are many humans who do terrible things to their own children/parents/siblings. Its all over the news.

A pit bull is a strong dog. But they aren’t inherently evil. Not all drug dealers own these kinds of dogs.

You want research… read these :

In 2005, Ontario passed a ban on all “pit bulls” and any dog that may appear to be a “pit bull.”

Ontario officials claimed that pit bulls are “different” than other types of dogs and inflict injuries unlike other dogs. Despite the fact that there was no evidence to support this claim, a ban on “pit bulls” was enacted, and continues to be enforced in Ontario.

Ontario officials dismissed, and continue to ignore, all data that disproves their claims, including the fact that only ONE of Canada’s 45 fatal dog attacks (since 1964) has involved a dog identified to be a pit bull or pit bull type dog.

The above was from this website: http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/dog-bites-worldwide/

ONE! out of 45 fatalities was a pit bull or pit bull type. How does this make pit bulls the most dangerous dog?

A Denver columnist( from of course one of the states that do ban pitties) talks about the media bias:

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/07/denver-columnist-confirms-media-bias-in-overreporting-stories-about-pit-bulls.html

You dont “hear” of other dogs because the media isn’t interested. Even the ASPCA says it:

http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/advocacy-center/animal-laws-about-the-issues/pit-bull-bias-in-the-media.html

Pitties are therapy dogs:

A pit bull formerly used as a bait dog in a fighting ring is a therapy dog:
http://www.examiner.com/pets-in-pittsburgh/pit-bull-once-used-as-bait-dog-turns-therapy-dog-sarge-s-story

and another:
http://www.pitbulllovers.com/training-articles/therapy-dogs-pit-bulls.html

Google pit bulls as therapy dogs and you will get many more.

Pitties are used in search and rescue:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/sarpits.html

There are even pitties used as police dogs.

I am not saying everyone in the world has to love pitties. Heck i am not a fan of small dogs… (some i do like) as I am a big dog fan and I rescue/foster pits because they need the most help. But that doesn’t mean I would bash chihuahuas or beagles, etc. To each their own. But banning pits isn’t the solution as every place that has such a ban hasn’t had any drop in dog bites/attacks. Because it is NOT the breed that is the problem but us humans.

PitBull Lover

September 30th, 2010
9:42 pm

The only problem with pit bulls *does* go back to the owners’

Wrong.

Right!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:42 pm

‘Where i am from we just had a pittie save a little dog from a coyote.’

Save it for desert or as an appetizer?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:45 pm

‘I have two pitties who are well trained and well behaved. We crate them when we are not home. That is for their best interest and ours. If they got into a fight, I wouldnt want to see the result.’

Even pit bull lovers admit they are crazy as bat crap.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
9:45 pm

The only problem with pit bulls *does* go back to the owners’

Wrong. hmm… Nope your wrong Cekker… it does go back to the owners. The owner is responsible for there animal. If there animal is not properly trained or not in a fence yard like they should be then it is the owners fault. We have to train the animal.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
9:46 pm

‘Where i am from we just had a pittie save a little dog from a coyote.’

Save it for desert or as an appetizer?

Neither… your sick… you must like those animals crush video’s don’t you?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
9:49 pm

‘I have two pitties who are well trained and well behaved. We crate them when we are not home. That is for their best interest and ours. If they got into a fight, I wouldnt want to see the result.’

Even pit bull lovers admit they are crazy as bat crap.

No.. its so they don’t have a free for all in the house.. I have owned Pit Bulls most of my life. If they are alone and not being watched they like to get into things… So your full of crap Cekker… what does Cekker mean anyways? Is that even a word? Oh your not educated.. sorry.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:52 pm

Interesting…all these ‘responsible’ owners admitting they have to crate their sweet pit bulls for fear they will do some damage if left untended for a period of time.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
9:55 pm

Interesting…all these ‘responsible’ owners admitting they have to crate their sweet pit bulls for fear they will do some damage if left untended for a period of time.

Yes. All dogs should be crated if no one is home. Anything else “genius”

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:55 pm

‘If they are alone and not being watched they like to get into things…’

You mean things like little kids throats?

Right about that!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
9:58 pm

‘All dogs should be crated if no one is home.’

Hogwash.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:01 pm

‘The owner is responsible for there animal. If there animal is not properly trained or not in a fence yard like they should be then it is the owners fault. We have to train the animal.’

Train the animal to do what? Not chew someones face off?

Dr. Pangloss

September 30th, 2010
10:04 pm

And today two pit bulls attacked a teenage girl on her way to school in West Palm Beach. Thankfully, a very brave man was able to chase the dogs away. Story at http://www.orlandosentinel.com/fl-west-palm-pitbull-attack-20100929,0,1683233.story

The man who rescued her says, “It was like two pit bulls fighting over a piece of meat and that meat was a child,” Simpson said. “I’m still a little shaken up. It was one of the scariest things I have had to do.”

It’s always just a question of time.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:05 pm

‘If they are alone and not being watched they like to get into things…’

You mean things like little kids throats?

Right about that!

No… like the garbage. Not all Pit Bulls attack “genius’ There not the only breed of dog that can do damage. Did you know that a rottweiler bites will do more damage… you didn’t did you? Are against Rottweilers now?

Dogmom16

September 30th, 2010
10:06 pm

I cannot believe some of the anti-pitbull arguments I am hearing. First of all, NONE of them have legitimate sources. (No, hear-say, the news, and wikipedia are NOT reliable sources). I have been working at an animal hospital for 3 years, am an owner of pitbulls, and at any given time have 1-2 pitbull fosters in my house. The most vicious, unpredictable breed we come across at the animal hospital and shelters is a CHIHUAHUA! You heard me, CHIHUAHUA. Even the cats we see are more aggressive than pitbulls. So get out of your house, volunteer at a shelter, and meet these dogs before you judge them. Otherwise, you are just ignorant. If I read another ignorant comment on here, I might just scream… P.S. pitbulls are GREAT around kids, too, so F-U to the person(s) who think otherwise.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:08 pm

All dogs should be crated if no one is home.’

Hogwash.

What? Are you from Harry Potter? I have always crated my dogs… even a dog that wasn’t a Pit Bull. You have no education on any dogs do you? I will guess not.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:10 pm

‘The owner is responsible for there animal. If there animal is not properly trained or not in a fence yard like they should be then it is the owners fault. We have to train the animal.’

Train the animal to do what? Not chew someones face off?

No… if you have not ever owned a pit bull… do us a favor and go own one then you can judge.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:13 pm

It’s the pit’s idiot human that either trains them to fight or does not train them at all!!! You have to work with ANY dog to make them a productive member of society….just like kids!

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:17 pm

‘Cekker… what type of dog do you like??’

Not telling…because you will search the net far and wide to find some hideous story about my preferred breed and then use it to cripple my argument. you are on your own to find out what type of dog I like.

Good luck!

YEA your right.. I would because you know your so called favorite breed is not so perfect either… and you don’t have an argument.. because there is nothing else to argue with you about!

I would do the same thing just to prove to you that your breed of dog does attack to. Of course your not going to tell anyone your choice of breed. So you can’t be prove that your choice of breed also attacks.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:17 pm

‘I have always crated my dogs… even a dog that wasn’t a Pit Bull. You have no education on any dogs do you? I will guess not.’

If you think that every domestic dog needs to be crated when left alone, you are the one that lacks education.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:20 pm

‘The most vicious, unpredictable breed we come across at the animal hospital and shelters is a CHIHUAHUA!’

Those pesky chihuahuas and their 2 inch mouths again!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:21 pm

‘Even the cats we see are more aggressive than pitbulls.’

You must see some scary-a__ cats!

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:22 pm

‘I have always crated my dogs… even a dog that wasn’t a Pit Bull. You have no education on any dogs do you? I will guess not.’

If you think that every domestic dog needs to be crated when left alone, you are the one that lacks education.

Really… so me 1. wanting to keep my animal safe.. 2. not wanting to pick up trash every time I come home. 3. Just they way I do it and was told by my vet to do is lack of education… got it! Thanks for the info “genius”

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:24 pm

‘P.S. pitbulls are GREAT around kids, too, so F-U to the person(s) who think otherwise.’

Spoken like a true class act with their head in their anal orifice.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:24 pm

‘Even the cats we see are more aggressive than pitbulls.’

You must see some scary-a__ cats!

and this is what you do with your life. Comment on everyone’s post.. You really don’t have a life do you?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:26 pm

‘P.S. pitbulls are GREAT around kids, too, so F-U to the person(s) who think otherwise.’

Spoken like a true class act with their head in their anal orifice.

Cekker that is where your head is.. and I don’t think anyone wants to join you.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:28 pm

‘Really… so me 1. wanting to keep my animal safe.. 2. not wanting to pick up trash every time I come home. 3. Just they way I do it and was told by my vet to do is lack of education… got it! Thanks for the info “genius”’

You are quite welcome!

P.S. If your animal cannnot control itself itself for 8 hours, it is not well trained. Look into that, Svengali.

Cekker you lose

September 30th, 2010
10:28 pm

also we have a English setter and a shih tzu mix that gets in the garbage so he also gets crated. I haven’t had a dog who didn’t get in the garbage.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:30 pm

‘Really… so me 1. wanting to keep my animal safe.. 2. not wanting to pick up trash every time I come home. 3. Just they way I do it and was told by my vet to do is lack of education… got it! Thanks for the info “genius”’

You are quite welcome!

P.S. If your animal cannnot control itself itself for 8 hours, it is not well trained. Look into that, Svengali.

Honestly cekker speaker that have no life. What dog do you know don’t get in the garbage when there pups?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:32 pm

‘also we have a English setter and a shih tzu mix that gets in the garbage so he also gets crated. I haven’t had a dog who didn’t get in the garbage.’

My sympathies…you have some poorly trained dogs.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:34 pm

For your information Cekker.. I do have control over my animals. Just like kids.. animals will do wrong when they can. Not all animals are perfect like your imaginary one!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:34 pm

‘Honestly cekker speaker that have no life. What dog do you know don’t get in the garbage when there pups?’

Dogs that have owners that don’t control the garbage in their own house perhaps?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:35 pm

‘also we have a English setter and a shih tzu mix that gets in the garbage so he also gets crated. I haven’t had a dog who didn’t get in the garbage.’

My sympathies…you have some poorly trained dogs.

My Sympathies to your parents Cekker for a poorly uneducated person you are. That happens to think he/she is right about everything. That’s it your a teenager!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:37 pm

‘Just like kids.. animals will do wrong when they can.’

Except your mistreated kids won’t rip your throat out with their fangs if given the chance.

Well…maybe yours will.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:39 pm

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:34 pm

‘Honestly cekker speaker that have no life. What dog do you know don’t get in the garbage when there pups?’

Dogs that have owners that don’t control the garbage in their own house perhaps?

haha, your funny. I have control over my garbage when I am home. Do you live with me? No! Do you own a Pit Bull? No! Are you educated on Pit Bulls? No! Are you believing everything you hear on the news? Yes! Are you ever going to quit arguing with us about Pit Bulls? No! Do you have a life? No!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:41 pm

‘That’s it your a teenager!’

Au contraire. Do you reallly think this stupid conversation would be occupying my time if I were a teenager? I would be discussing Justin Bieber or some other youtube ninny if so.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:41 pm

Cekker.. why are even on here?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:42 pm

‘That’s it your a teenager!’

Au contraire. Do you reallly think this stupid conversation would be occupying my time if I were a teenager? I would be discussing Justin Bieber or some other youtube ninny if so.

good answer.. So your an adult with no life! Got it!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:43 pm

‘Cekker.. why are even on here?’

Ditto.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:44 pm

‘good answer.. So your an adult with no life! Got it!’

Ditto.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:44 pm

Cekker.. why are even on here?’

Ditto.

Cause I own a Pit Bull.. and you?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:45 pm

‘good answer.. So your an adult with no life! Got it!’

Ditto.

FYI.. I have a life and I just got on.. You on the other hand seems to me you been on all night and day! So don’t ditto me!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:46 pm

‘Cause I own a Pit Bull.. and you?’

Cause I think that people that own pit bulls are not so bright.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:46 pm

Au contraire. Speaking french now!

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:48 pm

Vous n’aurez pas la vie, afin que jamais

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:49 pm

‘Cause I own a Pit Bull.. and you?’

Cause I think that people that own pit bulls are not so bright.

why because its not your choice of breed?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:50 pm

‘FYI.. I have a life and I just got on.. You on the other hand seems to me you been on all night and day! So don’t ditto me!’

And yet you have been the least informative and most combative pit bull defender so far.

In fact you have yet to make a cogent argument for your beloved breed. Care to try?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:50 pm

Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:52 pm

Celebrities Who Own Pit Bulls

* Jon Stewart of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart owns two pit bulls: Shamsky & Monkey.
* Ken Howard, award-winning actor from Crossing Jordon, was saved by his pit bull Shadow during a medical crisis.
* Movie star Alicia Silverstone owns a rescued pit bull named Samson.
* Adam Brody gave girlfriend and O.C. co-star Rachel Bilson a pit bull named Penny Lane as a birthday gift.
* Oscar winner Jamie Foxx, TV Personality Rachael Ray and Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker Joey Porter all own two pit bulls!
* Jessica Biel has a pit bull named Tina, and Jessica Alba owns a pit bull puppy.
* President Theodore Roosevelt, President Woodrow Wilson, singer Kevin Federline, radio personality Ira Glass, actor Fred Astaire, General George Patton, actor Michael J. Fox, actor Jan President Theodore Roosevelt, President Woodrow Wilson, Michael Vincent, actor Jack Dempsy, Thomas Edison (bright person), singer Madonna, movie star Brad Pitt, actress Bernadette Peters, comedian Sinbad, actress Linda Blair, actor Humphrey Bogart, musician Usher, comedian Mel Brooks, actress Ann Bancroft, singer Pink, actress Eliza Dushku and actress Kelli Williams are just a few other celebrities who own or have owned a pit bull.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:52 pm

‘Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Partially, yes. You do not?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:54 pm

‘Jon Stewart of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart owns two pit bulls: Shamsky & Monkey.
* Ken Howard, award-winning actor from Crossing Jordon, was saved by his pit bull Shadow during a medical crisis.
* Movie star Alicia Silverstone owns a rescued pit bull named Samson.
* Adam Brody gave girlfriend and O.C. co-star Rachel Bilson a pit bull named Penny Lane as a birthday gift.
* Oscar winner Jamie Foxx, TV Personality Rachael Ray and Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker Joey Porter all own two pit bulls!
* Jessica Biel has a pit bull named Tina, and Jessica Alba owns a pit bull puppy.’

Totally unimpressed by this list.

Alicia Silverstone—how far back in the vaults did you go for that one?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:54 pm

Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Partially, yes. You do not?

No I don’t judge people by what type of dog they have! Why should I..

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:57 pm

‘Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Well, obviously you do or you would not have trotted that tired list out.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
11:08 pm

Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Well, obviously you do or you would not have trotted that tired list out.

I didn’t.. I copied and past it!! Honestly I don’t judge people for what type of dog they have. I like all dogs and cats!

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
11:09 pm

Alicia Silverstone—how far back in the vaults did you go for that one?

Um as far as the website went!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
11:13 pm

‘I didn’t.. I copied and past it!!’

Quelle horreur!

You are an imbecile! Thanks for the memories.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
11:25 pm

‘I didn’t.. I copied and past it!!’

Quelle horreur!

You are an imbecile! Thanks for the memories.

No I am not an imbecile. Vraiment quelle horreur … il n’a rien à voir avec horreur. Allez-vous rester sur le sujet. Quoi qu’il en soit, votre inutiles. Alors Bye!

Linda H

October 1st, 2010
12:15 am

In the early 20th century pits bulls were used to symbolized the American spirit and character the way the Bulldog was used to symbolize Britain. And they were considered the All-America kid’s dog.

The CDC stopped tracking dog bites by breed because of the inaccuracies in identifying breeds. I saw an example of it today in a TV news report about a proposed ban on pit bulls. It started with a montage of several supposed pits bulls, one of which was actually a Labrador mix.

Not all of the pit bulls involved in bite stories were abused. Many were untrained and allowed to run at large by irresponsible owners who often got them to make themselves look macho. They encourage the dogs to be aggressive. In other decades other breeds were chosen to project the macho image and were considered the most dangerous – the German Shepherd Dog, and Doberman Pinschers went through the same thing.

Denver has had a pit bull ban for years and thousands have been seized and killed. According to the Animal Control Officers who have to carry that out, most have been good family dogs that never hurt anyone or showed aggression. Most pit bull owners consider their dogs members of the family, just like owners of other breeds. Wouldn’t you feel betrayed by your government if it banned an innocent member of your family? What if it seized a member of your family and killed him just because of the way he looked?

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
8:53 am

Some news items while we were writing on this blog:

Larose boy recovering after pit bull attack
Published: Thursday, September 30, 2010 at 2:25 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, September 30, 2010 at 2:26 p.m.
THIBODAUX – A 12-year-old Larose boy was hospitalized after being bitten twice on the leg by a neighbor’s pit bull earlier this week, authorities said.

Second man wanted in pit bull attack surrenders
CANTON —
The second of two men wanted on charges stemming from a Sept. 14 pit bull attack went to the Stark County Jail to surrender Wednesday.

Pit bulls attack girl walking to school near West Palm Beach
8:23 p.m. EDT, September 29, 2010
Jason Simpson was about to get in the shower on Wednesday when heard a teenage girl screaming outside for help during a pit bull attack.

POLICE have been forced to shoot a dog after it attacked a woman and a man at home.
About 2.40pm, police received reports of a woman aged in her 40’s being attacked by a pit-bull in the backyard of a house on Buckland Road, St Clair.

Dog attack left Wrexham man with serious hand injuries
Published date: 01 October 2010 | Published by: Staff reporter
The dog is described as a bull terrier-type and was dark brown and white.
The victim returned home and was taken to the Countess of Chester Hospital where he is still receiving treatment for his injuries. His dog was also injured.

Woman Attacked By “Vicious Dog”
Posted: Sep 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
It’s an image that keeps her awake at night since that moment a large mixed breed pit bull ran into her yard and bit her.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
8:57 am

Maybe if Pit bull owners would realize the potential harm from their beloved pet, there would be fewer of these incidences and no one calling out for legislation. Keep a leash on your Pit Bull and stop pretending that it is just sweet. Yes the pit bull can be very sweet but at the same time the breeding in the dogs that make up this dog historically were bred to fight and win. Be kind and smart to yourselves and your dogs and use caution and take preventative measures.

Michael

October 1st, 2010
9:43 am

Can you give me a description of the pitbull breed?
The AKC, a highly respectable organization, does not even recognize “Pitbull” as a breed.
As far as they are concerned what the law describes as a pitbull is the cross breeding of several breeds of dogs, and not its own breed. Could you then make legislation across the board for the mixes or rather what makes up a pitbull? I think you would be suprised at how many times a dog is mislabelled as a pitbull. Most are bull breed mixes. I could go on but I think you get the point
Mike

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
9:49 am

Here is an example of an attack that took place yesterday. Please note that this dog was registered. There is no question as far as the breed. The tactic of denying the breed is very lame. Just own up and be responsible about your pet:

Shot dog’s owner baffled by behaviour
EMERGENCY SERVICES
30 SEP 10 @ 11:24AM BY SUSAN LIU

Paramedics tend to the stricken woman at her house. She, and a male partner, were taken to Nepean Hospital in a stable condition with bite wounds. Picture courtesy JASON DONNELLY/Matt Black Productions
THE owner’s father of a dog shot dead by police at St Clair yesterday is baffled by its behaviour.

Alan Edwards, 53, said Chopper, a staffordshire bull terrier, was a “lovely dog” and had never acted aggressive towards him.

Police were called to the Buckland Rd home at 2.40pm after they were tipped off that a dog had attacked its female owner and another man.

When police arrived, the dog acted aggressive towards them. It ran away after it was capsicum sprayed and tasered but later returned and tried to attack a police constable.

The constable tried to use pray but was forced to shoot it. The dog died at the scene.

Mr Edwards was contacted by police last Wednesday and arrived home to find his wife Michelle, 49, and another man, in his 50s, being treated for serious bite wounds.

Police said the constable was forced to shoot the vicious dog because he had no other choice.

Mr Edwards said he was “devastated”.

“I don’t know what happened. It’s quite out of (Chopper’s) character,” he said.

“They must have done something wrong and the dog rebelled.”

He said Chopper belonged to his son, who was working interstate.

Mr Edwards believed the other man, his wife’s dancing partner, provoked the attack.

“The dog doesn’t like strangers. Anyone who’s friendly with the dog doesn’t have any problems. But it’s strangers he doesn’t like,” he said.

There were two other dogs on the property but they were not involved.

A neighbour who witnessed the attack said they had never had any problems with dogs on their street.

But since the attack, she said other neighbours were worried about the Edwards’ other dogs.

Mrs Edwards and the unidentified man were taken to Nepean Hospital with bite wounds on their arms and legs.

They are in a stable condition.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
9:54 am

Also, please note: The UKC will accept the staffordshire bull terrier as an American Pit Bull Terrier.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
10:29 am

ShockingburTrue…its very hard to say what went wrong here… I think all dogs give warning signals but most people dont pay attention to them or dont know them. To me raised hair on the back and creases or folds on the head (because the ears are perked up) is a sign the dog is anxious. Plus dogs get up on their front toes and actually spread the toes when thinking about attack.. this person that was attacked was a stranger to the dog so I doubt if she would read the dog.
The only reason I know this is through reading, watching my dogs and having a friend that is a professional dog behavorist. (not a trainer but a behavorist).
I love my dogs but from past experiences I always remember they are animals and they are much happier because I remember this.
I was at a dog training class a few weeks ago. One of the students had a terrible limp and left class… I noticed Jack was very intent on watching her. The instructor indicated he had visited a wolf santuary and no was admitted that had a limp, open wound etc. because the wolf percieved this as weakness. He thought Jack was probably honing in on this person because of perceived weakness. I have also noticed him looking very intently at a small baby that was crawling around very fast. I have seen him kill ground hogs so I am sure he figured this was some kind of animal. Jack was on a very heavy nylon line at the time and the infants parents saw what was going on and laughed… I did not think it was a bit funny as I new exactly what was on Jack’s mind.
Now before anyone bashed pit bulls… I am sure Jack Russels, Boston Terriers, GSD, Akita and my favorite dog to stay away from a Chow would do the same thing.
Cesar Milan has a very famous saying about power breed dogs… as the level of the power of the breed goes up… so does the responsiblity.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
10:44 am

“Now before anyone bashed pit bulls… I am sure Jack Russels, Boston Terriers, GSD, Akita and my favorite dog to stay away from a Chow would do the same thing.
Cesar Milan has a very famous saying about power breed dogs… as the level of the power of the breed goes up… so does the responsibility.”

That is exactly what I am saying. It is harmful to these breeds to promote them as the sweetest dogs around. It is irresponsible for a person to promote these breeds as being good with children and even a protector of children. I also feel it is the wrong breed to train as a therapy dog since it is unreliable. This morning when I was searching for news stories regarding dog attacks involving pit bulls, I came across pages of listings of occurrences that all happened within the past week. There are so many owners who are in denial. Their dog gives them kisses so they think they are not capable of tearing apart another living creature. It’s similar to people who harbor wild animals such as wolves, tigers, lions, CHIMPS…
We love our pets like family and some people will fight like ‘pit bulls’ for their pet.

Dropthecookie

October 1st, 2010
11:01 am

He sees them on tv because of the media bias. That is also why “the common man” who does not seek knowledge outside of narrow-minded main stream media hears that story so many times.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/359112/national_canine_research_council_reveals.html

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
11:03 am

Its still possible to treat a pit bull dog with love and still be responsible.. I mean my dog Jack gives me a kiss quite a bite of the time and loves his car rides and sleeps in bed with me..
However I am very aware of his prey drive.. I have had kids appear out of the blue so to speak and there he is face to face with a 4 year old.
Nothing bad has ever happened and it probably will not.. however I never think a small child and a powerful dog should be left together unsupervised.
I know the pit bull was called the nanny dog in the past.. but I am a bit fearful breeders now days go for size, interbreeding and aggresivness. A good breeder like York Kennels who is kind of the old type breeder.. breeds for temperment as opposed to gameness. She has pictures of puppies with her grand kids..but the adult dogs are usually kept outside on long lines.. so some people may critize that.
Anyone interested should read the Working Pit Bull by Diane Jessup a very factual book about the history of pit bulls, dog fighting, training. She is a former ACO and has a very titled whose name escapes me..
There are actually a lot of things a pit bull will excell in… tracking, agility, weight pulling.. and the German sport where someone dresses up and gets attacked (cannot think of the name) but there is a lot more to it than being attacked.
Also many pit bulls are great drug detection dogs.. Popcycle (spelling) a rescued pit bull is attributed to deteting one of the biggest narcotic busts in US history.
As far as therapy dogs they do detect seizures, visit hospitals etc. so I think I would disagree with someone saying they dont make good therapy dogs.
Most of the attacks I read about (get a goggle alert every day on dog attacks not all pit bulls) it basically is the person’s fault. The dog is usually not trained, the person does not realize the dogs strength, the dog was with a stranger, or a child was left unsupervised with a large dog.
I remember a story about a pit bull chewing off a babies testicles.. well the mother apparently was in another room with her boyfriend and the baby had a dirty diaper. Well I hate to say it but dogs will eat fesces because it has unprocced food. Now in my opinion it was not the dogs fault he was just doing what was natural went for the food and of course the testicles were probably covered with fescus… could have been avoided if the mother had been responsible…

Dogmom16

October 1st, 2010
11:20 am

The definition of ignorance is the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc. If you think pitbulls are any more vicious, unpredictable, or aggressive than any other breed, you are ignorant. You want facts? Here are the facts: AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER was tested by the American Temperament Test Society. Of the 608 dogs tested, 510 passed with flying colors, giving the breed a 83.9% PASSING SCORE. They scored higher than the beagle, airedale terrier, greyhound, havanese, scottish terrier, and maltese (to name a FEW). The STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER was tested and scored a 89.6% (higher than the poodle). SO WHY DON’T YOU ANTI-PITBULL IGNORANT PEOPLE GET OFF YOUR HIGH-HORSE AND FIND THE REAL FACTS. Don’t believe what you read in the media… most of these stories are used for shock-factor and MOST of these dogs aren’t pitbulls or pitbull mixes at all…. they use the breed name for shock value. I LOVE MY” PITBULLS” AND I WILL CONTINUE SAVING THESE DOGS AND CHANGING PEOPLES MINDS ABOUT THEM FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. THEY ARE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE GREAT FAMILY PETS AND THERAPY DOGS!!!

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
11:23 am

The article is about legislation and there are many places in the world today that have passed BSL. There would be no provocation for these laws if dog owners would take responsibility. If an owner is going to deny the potential problems that could arise from their dog, then there will continue to be way too many of these news reports regarding vicious dog attacks.

These laws affect all of us. People who don’t manage their dogs properly affect all of us. Everyone needs to use caution and take preventative measures so that their dog doesn’t become the next poster child for an attack dog. The reason the Pit bull is picked on so much is because there are just too many of them being bred. You can see that by the numbers of pit bulls that end up in shelters. I Google pit bull breeder and there are just so many, many breeders out there while at the same time there are a huge number of them in shelters. That is irresponsible and it is a problem caused by humans, not by the Pit bulls. That problem needs to be solved.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
11:34 am

A person that posts to these discussion by the name of Dogcentric has the following idea: All pit bull type dogs that are not registed dogs with the AKC and UKC and have not won a championship etc. ( in other words a good example of the breed) should be spayed and nuetered and micro chipped. My dogs are S/N and chipped.
I would carry this a bite further and say all breeds unless a show dog show be S/N and chipped. Once the canine and feline population gets more manageable we can relax the rules.. There are just to many dogs and cats destroyed in shelters and that is the good death.. how many die out on the streets a horrible death is probably something no one knows.
I read a book by Randy Grim he wrote about the stray dogs in St. Louis, Missouri.. most die a terrible death.

Betty Bully-Lover

October 1st, 2010
11:38 am

I believe there are two distinct types of pit bulls……what I call
“street pits”…those are dogs that gang type people own, who may be fought. Plus, the gang people breed “mean to mean to mean” coming up with their own type of pit. If an unknowing person buys one of these pups and if this pup is not handled intelligently and responsibly, there could be big problems.
The pits, rotts, bully breeds that are bred for the show ring are bred for correct temperament, structure, etc., etc.
In my mind, these are the two distinct differences (simply put) between the bully breeds.
Dogs have teeth, all dogs will bite. Dog bites will go down if people educate their children to not put their faces in a dogs face, wave food around the dog, tease them, etc.
The public gets a daily barrage on TV humanizing any dogs. Wearing clothes, sunglasses, riding in strollers, wearing bonnets & hats…so when a dog acts like a dog the reaction from the public is to ban it or kill it.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
11:46 am

Betty Bull-Lover… hmmm I had been thinking this for a long time by the type of pit bull type dogs we get in our shelter. Some are simply beautiful or handsome… like my Jack and Petunia.. others are difficult to manage and really have some structure flaws. One thing about a shelter… if a dog makes it through the stress and does not bite a vol, gets through the staff evaluation and does not die of disease they are basically a sound dog.
Beleive me I would never buy a dog of Craig List or any other service.. shelter dogs are the way to go. There are millions destroyed every year. Mostly pit bull type dogs and its not the breed so much as there are just to many of them..

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
11:51 am

Hi Betty,

I hear what you are saying but out of the many news articles that I have come across, the dogs responsible many times were referred to as Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Even though a dog is owned by a person who is doing their utmost to breed responsibly, that person’s dogs are still descendants of the dogs who were bred for the bull ring and for the rat pit.

I really think that people in general are susceptible to falling into the denial that something that we love is dangerous. I think that the woman who owned the chimp, Travis (who ruined her best friend’s life) is a really great example of how deeply we can fall in love with our pets and protect them at all costs… even other beings lives.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
11:54 am

I am not saying that those responsible breeders should stop breeding (I don’t think there are very many of them from what I see) but that they should not be cavalier about their dogs just because they may have won a championship.

Dr. Pangloss

October 1st, 2010
12:11 pm

Update: the little girl who was attacked by two pit bulls in West Palm Beach was in intensive care on the 29th. She was bitten badly in the face.

http://www.cbs12.com/news/girl-4728864-face-attacked.html

Okay, how many chihuahuas have put anybody in intensive care?

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
12:15 pm

Many of the news articles regarding pit bull attacks involve dogs that are roaming… how responsible is that? They always seem to be able to locate the owner. Quite often they are a neighbor of the victim who is often a child. There also are a number of cases posted where the dog is the ‘family pit bull’ …these stories are very sad.

Cekker

October 1st, 2010
12:19 pm

Warning Dr. Pangloss:

In about 5 minutes you will be inundated with nutty responses from ‘pitty’ lovers saying, amongst other things:

– How do they know it was a pit bull?
– There is no such thing as a ‘pit bull’– that is just slang!
– These dogs were just not trained properly.
– My lovable pitty sleeps with my two year old and we have never had a problem.
– Pit bulls are the victims of the media.
– Dachshunds bite too, you know.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
12:30 pm

Warning Dr. Pangloss:

In about 5 minutes you will be inundated with nutty responses from ‘pitty’ lovers saying, amongst other things:

– How do they know it was a pit bull?
– There is no such thing as a ‘pit bull’– that is just slang!
– These dogs were just not trained properly.
– My lovable pitty sleeps with my two year old and we have never had a problem.
– Pit bulls are the victims of the media.
– Dachshunds bite too, you know.

dont forget Boston Terriers also …

glad you are finally seeing the light…Pekker… ops sorry Cekker

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
12:35 pm

BullyBob,

I am not sure what the answer is here… It seems that we should be able to do something to help the situation but I don’t know what that something would be… education sure is a great place to start. People need to know if they own certain breeds that they need to take extra precautions as far as keeping that dog from entering into an aggressive situation… not really sure.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
12:40 pm

ShockingbuTrue.. I think tonight on Animal Planet is a program called Fatal Attraction.. I beleive the chimp that mauled the person is part of it.. not to mention a tiger or two.
Pit bull type dogs are not quite in that category but they are powerful dogs.. I dont know if got the post about the Canary Island Fighting dog.. I am a pretty good dog handler.. but as Clint Eastwood sd… a man has gotta know his limitations.. in other words I know I would be over my head with a dog like that… probably why they are a very rare breed but I have to admire the strength and muscularity of a dog like that… and to be honest it is one reason I like pit bull type dogs.. they are super strong.. but that strengh can be used for other things than the fighting pit.. like weight pulls…

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
12:43 pm

ShockingbuTrue … well there is spay and nueter..which our shelter does to any dog that comes in after its 3 day hold. Education is also a good start.
Beleive it or not Mike Vick has helped pit bull type dogs more than any person around.. finally dog fighting was brought into the public light.
Personally I hate him and think him insincere but his case helped with the plight of pit bulls.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
12:54 pm

BullyBob

I’ll have to catch that show…

It would be good if there was an ad campaign aimed toward those dog fighters that hit them at their own level…. below the belt

See it all the time

October 1st, 2010
1:38 pm

You see this all the time. When someone doesn’t have anything intelligent to offer to an argument, but still wants to win the argument, they degrade to petty name-calling and insults. I see it in forums all the time. There are two disagreeing sides, both want to win the argument, one does the research on the topic to provide intellectual points and counter-arguments, the other, just thinks his opinion on the matter is correct no matter what, and doesn’t actually have any information aside from his/her opinion, so he/she resorts to insults, name-calling, and using something as small as a typo/grammar correction to insult the other person’s intelligence.
Cekker, you have shown how ignorant you are on this subject by doing this. If you had any actual facts, something that’s *not* media based (Media goes for ratings, not facts), you’d be providing an actual argument, and not something I’d see from an upset teenager.

NOLA

October 1st, 2010
1:57 pm

Pits are the second most owned dog in America ,however, pits are involved in more animal abuse cases then any other animal! Just saying! I have owned a few pits and shar-pei and a shih zsu. The only dogs I have owned that I would trust with kids are the pits and shar-pei. Infact, my present Pit belongs to my three year old. She is the most submissive dog ever! I trained her to be this way especially around children! We are also involved with the Sula foundation in New Orleans that promotes responsible pit bull ownership. I have been attacked by two dogs before while jogging and guess what folks… No pits! One was a lab, the other a husky. Bad owners make bad dogs! The media controls opinions as well! I love how if there is a pit attack, it makes national news. If it involves another breed… It is not reported to that degree! If a pit is heroic and saves a life, if its reported, no breed is specified. If another breed (say a lab) saves a life, the specific breed is read in the headline! People! Dog attacks happen involving all breeds where a neglectful owner is involved! Ignorance is not bliss!

NOLA

October 1st, 2010
2:06 pm

By the way, new orleans has many many many “upper-class” Pit bull owners! I see more pits being walked in Audubon park then any other breed! And actually, now that I think of it, many of these owners are women… College age through elderly. Hell! If our dogs keed idiots away from us then good! So please don’t stereo-type!

lyn

October 1st, 2010
2:12 pm

Boooo Bob, You can’t teach pit owners in my hood to train their pits/dogs. It’s the same o same o, blame it on the owner,it’s not the dog thing. Most Pits live out doors in a pen, because to most they are not pets.
You must not stay in touch with the news,, to not realised how many children and adults are hurt or killed. Is it really worth it? I can’t walk my dogs, because I fear running into a pit that’s escaped.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
2:25 pm

Nola,

I hope that we don’t read about your 3 year old in the news when your dog snaps and decides your child is lunch. Just try searching dog attacks on children and see how many horrific stories there are… even from the family pit. Here’s one:

Lynn child attacked by pit bull

By Robin Kaminski / The Daily Item

LYNN – A young child was attacked by a family pit bull Monday afternoon on Eutaw Avenue, according to Lynn police.

The incident happened around 1 p.m. at 11 Eutaw Ave., on the second floor, where police say the dog bit a 6-year-old girl several times on her arm.

Animal Control Officer Kevin Farnsworth reportedly removed the animal from the home.

The child was transported by ambulance to Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston for treatment to several gouges and cuts. Police say she is expected to recover.

Cekker

October 1st, 2010
2:25 pm

See it all the time

Where have you been hiding the last 3 days?

I would hazard to guess that 90% of the population would answer ‘Yes’ if asked if they think that pit bulls are dangerous. So it is not up to me to ‘win’ that argument; rather, it’s the pit lovers task to convince all of us dumb schmucks that the opposite is true.

As for name calling and insults, I have been called some pretty vile things on this OPINION blog, but I’m not crying about it.

And please point out where I criticized someone’s typos or grammar?

See it all the time

October 1st, 2010
2:45 pm

See, I never said I was swinging one way or another on this. I merely stated how you are clearly uniformed on the topic. You merely insult those of opposite opinion, but fail to provide anything intellectual to support your opinion. Everything I’ve seen you post is insults, or telling people to go look up things in the media (which we all can admit is not informational, as Ratings are more important than fact for the media).

Most people are not educated on this topic, these are the ones who will immediately say “yes” if asked if they think pits are dangerous, as the majority of people won’t take the time to research a topic before forming an opinion after watching a news program or reading a newspaper. You see it with a lot of things, not just with dogs.

People who listen solely to the media, without looking in to other sources of information, are usually the most least informed people I have ever met. When asked a question, if the answer doesn’t immediately fall into something they heard on the news, will resort to your type of argument, Cekker, which is to turn to sarcasm, insults, and name calling. It’s the fall back for the uniformed. You have shown by your complete lack of anything factual, constant insulting and name-calling, that you have taken this fall back. Please, before continuing an argument, do some research (from non-media based, non-biased (from either pro-pit or neg-pit), and find some facts to support your argument. “The media says so” just doesn’t cut it. It never does.

Cekker

October 1st, 2010
3:01 pm

‘See, I never said I was swinging one way or another on this.’ — I never said you did.

‘Everything I’ve seen you post is insults’ — You clearly have not read ‘everything’ I have posted on this subject.

‘do some research (from non-media based, non-biased (from either pro-pit or neg-pit), and find some facts to support your argument.’ — I’ll leave that to the pitbull defenders. I’ve read everything they have posted on this blog and am still not convinced that pit bulls are just lovable misunderstood sweetie pies who only need proper training and love.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
3:22 pm

Lyn, if the pit bulls live outside in pens because people do not consider them as pets… this sounds like an owner/people problem to me.
As far as not being to walk your dog because of loose pit bulls…DONT people have ACO officers ? I know where I live they do and the fine is pretty darn high.. not that I have ever paid a fine for having my dog loose.. Again if there is no ACO officer this sounds like another people problem rather than a dog/pit bull problem.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
3:23 pm

This article is really not about whether Pit bulls and other ‘like’ breeds are vicious or not, its about what should be done about it. The article seems in favor of the federal governments view that in this case, fewer restrictions are better. It states:

“One would hope that local government officials might on their own possess some understanding of limited government and individual liberty; but if the Justice Department at least in this instance will ensure that they do so by way of a federal law, then the feds are serving as an important check on excessive government power.”

I agree that the Breed Specific laws are wrong. However, I strongly feel that all dog owners need to understand the potential for problems in terms of damage that their dog can do to others. Owners need to acknowledge the need for caution especially with breeds that were bred to fight. As long as we all try to keep our dogs out of situations where they might cause problems, the people looking for BSL will have no leg to stand on. Denying the Pit bull was bred to fight does not help. It needs to be acknowledged and the owners need to deal with their dogs accordingly.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
3:26 pm

” its about what should be done about it. ” That should have read its about what we should do as far as legislation…

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
3:39 pm

I just found a really great list explaining how to be a responsible Pit Bull owner. It is on a Pit Bull Lovers website: http://www.pitbulllovers.com/responsible-pit-bull-owners.html

Mvktr2

October 1st, 2010
4:49 pm

Apparently common man is gearing up for a run at a senate seat with the sharp intellect he’s displaying. Sadly these laws continue to pass because it’s easier to fear than think. Thinking = the lost art of America!

Daschaunds and about a couple dozen other breeds were all bread for direct combat with another animal, just like bull breeds were bread for combat or more accurately originally to work cattle (many still do). By the logic of the breed banners all these daschunds should be illegal after all they were breed to face off with 40+lb badgers in their territory. Dang right that’s one tough spirited dog… it had to be!

By in large small breed dogs have been the worst behaved I’ve been around, but I blame the owners who don’t properly socialize the animals because of their ignorance and fear of their ’small’ dog getting hurt. Having said this I wouldn’t dream of banning any small breed and am quite happy that most of the irresponsible owners don’t also own something of size which they’ll treat the same way and create further problems. No there’s nothing wrong with small breeds but I’m amazed at the dozens if not hundreds of tiny dog owners who pick up their dog just because I’m passing by with my Boxer, same thing used to happen with my large mutt. Increasingly the beloved family dog and top 10 AKC registered breed Boxers are popping up on these stupid lists… watch out your dog is next!!!

NOLA

October 1st, 2010
5:01 pm

My dog is the most submissive dog I have ever met! Actually! My pit has a few deep wounds on her head because some ignorant person decided to walk their little yappy dog off the leash! The little dog ran up to my pit. My dog laid down and rolled over when this little s*** dog bit her face. My pit got up and ran behind me. I’m sure you are assuming things too. Most of you extremest do. I have noticed that in the area I live in, most dogs being walked are actually pits! Most of the owners of these pits are actually well
-off females college aged to elderly. I’m happy to se that many more loving families are taking pits into their homes and proving to you closed minded extremest that these dogs make good pets for the right people. What this really comes down to is ignorant people! Ignorant pit owners who should not own any animals or even for that matter have children. And then there are the ignorant people who are afraid of the world around them and take what the media feeds them to fear and runs with it disagreeing with with anyone who opposes their view.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
5:21 pm

Hi Nola,

If you take the time to read all of these many posts, you will see that there have been a lot of people here sharing their own personal experience. Please take the time to read.

The article being discussed is about legislation and I think that most people have been agreeing that we don’t need the BSL. Although my personal experiences are very different from yours, it doesn’t mean that my experiences are from the media and yours are not and it also doesn’t mean that my views are extreme because my views differ somewhat from yours. The fact is, we probably have a lot of views that are in common. This isn’t all black and white. The idea is to share our experience to learn from each others experience not blast everyone who has a different point of view.

Cekker

October 1st, 2010
5:24 pm

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
3:39 pm
I just found a really great list explaining how to be a responsible Pit Bull owner. It is on a Pit Bull Lovers website: http://www.pitbulllovers.com/responsible-pit-bull-owners.html

Wow, did you check out #2:

2. Never leave pit bulls alone with other dogs (or any animal). Even if you’re dog gets along great 99.9% of the time with other animals the Pit Bull is known for animal aggression and it is possible something will happen. A good piece of advice I received a long time ago was, Never trust your Pit Bull not to fight.

Even pitbulllovers.com says not to trust your dog!

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
5:39 pm

Cekker,

I know, I saw that. My friend who had an otherwise wonderful pit bull (very sweet dog) was left with his buddy from puppy hood (GSD) in his house. When my friend came back, he found his German Shepard literally torn apart in a pool of blood and his Pit Bull laying with his head up covered in blood acting as nothing had happened.

The breed was bred originally to fight. That is why people who own them need to be vigilant about managing their dogs. My friend has owned many dogs but this was his first Pit Bull. He has had this dog for 5 years and the dog never showed any signs of aggression up until now. It was a horrible situation and his GSD is in really rough shape but he should pull through. There wasn’t a scratch on the pit Bull.

Owners of dogs who were bred to fight should take responsibility. My friend clearly should have crated his dogs but felt that his dogs were so laid back and such good friends that he never considered a fight in the realm of possibilities. It is easy to forget the history until it is too late.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
5:51 pm

I posted earlier an article where a man who owned a Staffordshire Bull Terrier that attacked two people. Here is an excerpt:

Mr Edwards said he was “devastated”.

“I don’t know what happened. It’s quite out of (Chopper’s) character,” he said.

“They must have done something wrong and the dog rebelled.”

He said Chopper belonged to his son, who was working interstate.

Mr Edwards believed the other man, his wife’s dancing partner, provoked the attack.

“The dog doesn’t like strangers. Anyone who’s friendly with the dog doesn’t have any problems. But it’s strangers he doesn’t like,” he said.

There were two other dogs on the property but they were not involved.

A neighbour who witnessed the attack said they had never had any problems with dogs on their street.

But since the attack, she said other neighbours were worried about the Edwards’ other dogs.

Mrs Edwards and the unidentified man were taken to Nepean Hospital with bite wounds on their arms and legs.

Dog owner

October 1st, 2010
6:26 pm

Any dog can bite and kill you however all the people that are being maimed and killed could have most likely been prevented if the owners were responsible and I don’t know maybe fenced in their yard and kept the animal on say a leash. Pit bulls are not inherently dangerous nor are they as bloodthirsty and vicious as they are portrayed in the media. Think about that what sells more newspapers than tragedies and controversies. Would you buy the paper if the frontpage headline was always about what the girlscouts were doing. How about we ban more important things like gangs that beat the 91 year old man within an inch of his life or any cell phone use while driving.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
6:42 pm

The Pit bull incidents that affected me the most were real life. They were not in the media. It’s not a big hoax that these dogs were bred to kill… Look at the history of the breed.

You are right that owners need to leash, watch, train, exercise, and keep control of their Pit Bulls.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
8:45 pm

ShokingButTrue thanks for the link on how to be a responsible pit bull owner. I follow every one of these things expect I do leave my dogs together when I am at work… I know its a risk … and over the years certain dogs I have seperated… the present two get along,,, if I would adopt another .. I would seperate that dog for a couple of months.. there are a lot of things people can do to establish dominance and be leader of the pack…. when Jack came home he was on a leash in my house for 3 weeks.. he never got up on my bed for that time…I just was letting him know this was my house and I was in charge…
Sorry for the rambling.. read the 10 rules shockingbuttrue.. has above and you wont go wrong…
follow the rules and you will get to keep your beautiful pitty.. dont… well I vol at a shelter and I know what goes on.

PitBullDadAZ

October 2nd, 2010
2:38 am

More rehashing of OLD BS.
I’ll be the first to admit there are bad Pits out there, the result of BAD HUMANS and BAD TRAINING. Nothing more.

Any quotes from DOGLAW are suspect. They want people to come forward to SUE dog owners and to create hysterical attitudes (CHEKKER). I wouldn’t be surprised if they were subsidized by PETa (those pet killing swine).

My mom had cancer, she was in Chemo 2x. Her support system included a Pit Bull that would EVERY night crawl onto her bed to monitor her breathing. If her breathing became irregular, the dog would wake my dad then come for me. No training, no instructions but He instinctively new like OTHER Nanny dogs (the19th Century nickname for PITS) that Mom needed his attention. More than once he alerted us to breathing difficulties and probably saved my mother’s life.

Its all about environment. A thug can teach any dog to be an attack/ killer dog given enough abuse, deprivation and lack of Love.

I know a group of dedicated, motivated and exacting group of Instructors that can take a young male (or woman) and in 12 wks turn them into a stone killer. We call that Marine Corps Boot camp. The recruits enlist from homes all across America and from EVERY aspect of this Great Nation. They are sequestered, berated, trained, broken down and rebuilt into Marines. (By the way, no one espouses KILLING Marines when they are done with their service).

This same breakdown and rebuilding can be done with dogs as well – not just by JACK-BITES that want to create Pit Fighters, Junk Yard Dogs and other unsavory canines. Variations on the technique are used to deprogram PIT FIGHTERS or reinforce positive training.

Using these techniques, I have one retrained pit fighter that at 6 yrs old is an exemplary community member. He rough and tumbles with my grand nephew, he plays with 3 other dogs (1 Pit and 2 German Shepherds) in the residency and has NO inclination to fight or be aggressive, the KEY was love and a consistency in environment.

People like CHEKKER are like the rabid dogs that they THINK they are railing against.
You JUST can’t retrain that negative attitude.

ShockingButTrue

October 2nd, 2010
8:35 am

Mvktr2

I had missed your post. I agree with your observation of people with small dogs. Many seem to feel that since they are so small, they don’t need to be trained. However, I have observed the same with people with large dogs. Many people seem to think that they just need to feed and water their dog and provide them shelter and that’s it. People forget about exercise, training, and consistent quality attention. So many dogs are treated like an object to own.

I have owned a number of different types of dogs and each breed seems to have a slightly different emphasis as far as their needs but pretty much all dogs need: love, food, water, shelter, training, and exercise. Some breeds have a higher need for exercise and also training. Different breeds require different types of training. A high power breed such as a Pit Bull would need a lot of exercise and assertive training. I don’t feel just anybody is capable of training a Pit Bull without any experience. They are really for experienced dog owners. They need someone who knows what they are doing.

4BoyzNow

October 2nd, 2010
8:44 am

My dog never bothered you or anyone else for that matter. So I shouldn’t be subjected to the unintended consequences of a bad law. There are laws that deal with dangerous dogs no matter the breed. It has been proven over and over again that breed specific laws, of themselves, do not reduce dog bites (because it targets family behaving benignly), it is extremely expensive to enforce (over $500K in PG County, MD even after over a decade of enforcement), and bite statistics in the county reveal a reduction in reported bites ACROSS all dog breeds, not just banned breeds (which indicates it’s NOT the ban that caused the reduction), . PG animal control still spends around two hours per day per animal control officer dealing with “pit bull” neighbor complaints…again, usually calls about dogs not doing anything wrong, just “being. Wasting all that money while we have had to furlough county employees. As a taxpayer, my county just cannot justify the waste. We are LESS safe as a county because animal control (often with police assistance because our ban is written as a CRIME, not an animal control violation) is rounding up benign dogs when more dangerous dog cases are not well followed up upon.

It never ceases to amaze me how this topic seems to bring out the meanest, dog hating-est people on the planet. But it’s really simple. The vast majority of dogs, “pit bulls” or any other dog, live out their lives loved by their families and providing all the good things to people that dogs provide. Laws should be written to reduce unintended consequences, not guarantee them.

ShockingButTrue

October 2nd, 2010
8:57 am

4BoyzNow

I totally agree that these laws hurt us all. They cost us big bucks and they put control in the wrong hands. I think we should channel resources into educating the general public as far as being better dog owners. I really think that would help much more than these restrictive and unfair laws.

If we educate people as far as the care and training of their dogs and responsibility as far as not letting their dogs roam (which seems to be a huge factor in many of these attacks) then we would see a great reduction in these dog attack cases.

ShockingButTrue

October 2nd, 2010
9:09 am

Fewer dog attack cases means less ammunition for people supporting BSL.

Give no reason for the laws.

Elizabeth

October 2nd, 2010
11:04 am

yea i have read the majority of the comment on here and personally am on my third am staff. I feel as though they are a wonderful breed and very awesome family dogs. Given you take the right precautions. I agree they can be prone to aggression but with the proper training owner and pet included are very productive family members and a good addition to a community. It pisses me off that on occasion my dog may get out and my neighbors have such a prejudice against her. She has not so much as even attacked another animal let alone another human being. she only get out due to following my jack russell, seeing as the the jack likes to dig which we are working on a cure. she love being around all kinds of people. Everyone has a right to their opinions, but all out bans on the breed are ludicris.

Charles

October 2nd, 2010
11:08 am

The reason you hear about the “pitbull” attacks is because the hype has made them where they sell adspace and commercials. Lab attacks don’t have the same selling power because they have not been hyped. Also there is no way to get accurate statistics which mean anything because there is no way to know the population of each breed and mix of breeds. The reason there are more pit bull bites is simply because there are more pitbulls. More people are killed by cars and slipping in the bathtub. Shall we ban these things too?

ShockingButTrue

October 2nd, 2010
12:33 pm

The statistics from shelters is unbelievable:

…Shelters in large cities across the U.S. typically find themselves with a “Pit Bull” population of anywhere from 40% to 60% of the total shelter population and a national average of 33%. Many shelters needing more space will opt to euthanize “Pit Bulls” before any other type of dog due to this overwhelming number. 75% of shelters nationwide will euthanize all “Pit Bulls” entering the facility without ever giving them a chance to be adopted…some more lenient organizations may give the dogs a mere 24 hour grace period before administering the lethal injection. A study done by Animal People reports that the “Pit Bull” euthanasia rate in shelters is at approximately 93% on average which means that ultimately only 7% of all homeless “Pit Bulls” in America will find a “forever” home….

It is a fact that “Pit Bull” breeders are directly responsible for a significant percentage of the estimated 1 million “Pit Bulls” killed by euthanasia each year nationwide. Now I ask, why breed or buy while so many homeless dogs die?….

The “Pit Bull” breeding trend will continue to impact this growing issue of overpopulation in America as long as Americans continue to buy “Pit Bulls”. Start making a difference by adopting…

ShockingButTrue

October 2nd, 2010
12:36 pm

That was a quote from an anti BSL website… oops can’t find a link for it now. will post when I find it…

ShockingButTrue

October 2nd, 2010
12:44 pm

Bullygirl

October 2nd, 2010
3:39 pm

For Pet Lover. Your wrong.. They register the American Pitbull Terrier. Read the list..

Next for Cekker;
Did you know Boston Terriers are very tenacious and will attack other dogs. My step Father raised them. Maybe you should educate yourself more.

and it goes to show how ignorant you are. You still cannot face the facts the what is available on the web is what has been REPORTED. geesh. you really are an idiot.. Sorry if I am getting mad but can you be serious??

You get what you look for and all of our points are this, other fatal dog attacks do not get the attention that a pitbull attack does. Hence the reason you cannot find it easily. Now I have come to the conclussion your a hateful ignorant (willfully) and just plain horrible person. Maybe one day something you hold dear to you will be forcibly taken and it will be because someone else deemed it inappropriate for ownership or possession.

Now I am done with you. argueing valid points with you is like beating up on a handicap child. There is no point and I get nothing out of it. Your to ignorant to address any of the valid points and can only quote tid bits of everyone’s collective comments and make fun of them. Wow, you must be a great person. I bet you live alone and are probably a liberal lovin baby killing atheist. Good bye now since I have better things to do such as educate people who want to learn. your a lost cause.

tnteaton

October 2nd, 2010
3:45 pm

where the hell did my very informative comment go?!?

Hinton

October 2nd, 2010
9:25 pm

Does anyone ever come up with their own views anymore? Seems like everyone that states these dogs are dangerous are just repeating things they hear and have no real hard evidence behind anything. It amazes me that people get so scared of a dog attack when dogs and man have lived together for thousands of years, and now its a problem because we have a .0000001% of walking out a front door and getting mauled by a dog. I believe I have the same chance of getting struck by lightening then attacked by a pit bull, so… do we abolish lightening. Or hell, we need to eradicate sharks from the ocean because they impose a threat to humans. People are the enemy here, not dog. Its wrong to stereotype anything.

Cody

October 2nd, 2010
11:51 pm

My sister owns a red-nosed pit. This dog is a scaredy cat. If she gets in trouble and you raise your voice she will run and hide. She also cowers and runs away from the cat if the cat so much as hisses at her. Her 3 years old son grabbed her tail and pulled it when he was only 2 and she just stood there and did nothing. All these supposed “bad dogs”, it’s “bad owners” not the dog.

Noah

October 3rd, 2010
11:01 am

To comment number 3 by “The Common Man”. The Breed is American Pit Bull Terrier. It was not created in ancient Greece, The breed started as huge farm dogs called Bull Baiting dogs, they were used to take down unruly bulls and lived in farm houses as loved pets. Bull Baiting was outlawed and people started fighting the dogs for fun… do to their size they were crossed with terriers to make them smaller and more manageable…. still living in homes as loved pets. When they were brought to America the blood lines were more controlled in breeding making them American Pit Bull Terriers. So they have always lived in homes as loved pets, and have only ever been breed to kill bulls and each other (BY HUMANS!) They were never breed to go after people, as they would turn on their owners. Small breeds are much much more prone to biting people then Pit Bulls, and in fact the score higher then most breeds on temperaments tests. Also the Pit Bull is actually one of the most popular breeds of dog in the world because they are actually great pets.

Do some F’ing research and stop spewing lies you scum bag.

Big Dawgs Rescue

October 3rd, 2010
11:11 am

Starting a Non-Profit in NorCal May 0f 2009 we have rescued and placed over 500 large breed dogs, many of which were American Staffordshire Terriers mixes and placed them in loving homes (Disclaimer: I personally own a 5y/o Rottie and 11y/o Red Nose AmStaff).

When local laws attempt to limit the Liberties for which I fought for for 10 Years in the US Marines before being injured during Dessert Storm, I take exception, not only to the laws but those who attempt to impose their personal will upon me.

I read other postings and how they draw similarities between the bully breed and Guns, Warfare, Breed for Fighting etc… I truly believe these people are much like the law makers or law makers themselves, as they are clueless. So here are some historical facts:

Many of you may not realize that from about 1900 – 1930’s the American Staffordshire Terrier was the De Facto dog in the US, Helen Keller owned two of them, Peety of the Little Rascals was a bully. The American Staffordshire Terrier is a people-oriented dog who thrives when he is part of a family. They are intelligent, graceful, loyal, feisty, courageous, and very, very strong. Amstaffs are an active breed, always ready for fun, and they love to play outdoors. They are high energy and need regular exercise. They can be rowdy and overly exuberant, especially when they are young. They do best when they have a job to do. A bored Amstaff will destroy your house. They do well in obedience, agility, tracking, and conformation. Obedience training is very important with this breed (Responsibility).

They really need an interactive owner who will spend time with them, training them and playing with them and just being their best friend. Amstaffs are protective and they look imposing so they can make an effective deterrent, but they are really too friendly to be guard dogs. Amstaffs love their children and are patient, gentle, and tolerant (Of course, very young children should always be supervised around any dog, again Responsibility.) This is an animal who will strive to please you and take great pride in making you laugh.

As well, living in NorCal and I am personally aware of another rescue group who took in many of Mike Vicks “Fighting Dogs”. All of these dogs have been placed with “responsible” owners (this is key to any breed) and one of his dogs is a therapy dog which travels to many of the local Children Hospitals.

Bottom line: Responsibility is a must in society. I does not matter if it for guns, driving, raising a child or owning an AmStaff, when one fails to be responsible in life, one fails society as a whole.

Dr. Pangloss

October 3rd, 2010
12:03 pm

From Dogsbite.org:

Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) — DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims’ group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period — from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 — and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.
The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).
Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.
The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a “watcher,” a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.
The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, “The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are.” She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: “Two were killed while standing in their own backyard,” she said. “Four others were killed while taking a morning walk or getting the mail.”

ShockingButTrue

October 3rd, 2010
3:40 pm

Those are very impressive statistics.

Mishka

October 3rd, 2010
4:15 pm

A study released in 2008 in the Journal of Applied Animal Behavior Science, taking into account some 6000 bite & bite-attempt cases, provided statistical data on what breeds actually ARE the most aggressive: #1- Dachsunds, #2- Chihuahuas, #3- Jack Russells. Bully breeds and Rottweilers scored average or below average in the aggression study. One of the researchers, Dr. James Serpell, believes that SMALLER BREEDS may be more GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED to aggressive behavior than their larger counterparts. Regarding these smaller breeds, he states, “Reported levels of aggression in some cases are concerning, with rates of bites or bite attempts rising as high as 20 per cent toward strangers and 30 per cent toward unfamiliar dogs.”
Additionally, insurers like State Farm regularly offer dog-liability insurance on individual bully-breed dogs, but balk at offering it on many small dog breeds- even if the individual dog has no previous aggression incidents. What does that tell you?
Btw, I’m a Vet Tech at a high-volume small-animal clinic since 2002. Most of our clients would be forced to give up their dogs if BSL were in place here. Yet I’ve been bitten by a large breed dog exactly twice in the past 12 years- both were border collies injured in road accidents reacting out of pain & fear. However, the clinic had to institute new policy on muzzling small breed dogs on premises due to the high number of bites to staff by chihuahuas, poodles, dachsunds and schnauzers. One client insisted her intact 10-mo. old chi was “too fragile” to walk on his own. While in their home, her 9-yr old son leaned in to hug her while she was holding the dog, and the chi tore open her son’s cheek resulting in 9 stitches & scarring the child for life. The client actually “fired” a vet at our clinic for insisting on muzzling the dog while on premises & for recommending professional training for the dog. We haven’t seen her since. Another client (whose hands and wrists were covered in scars & healing bite wounds) objected to us muzzling his chi for exam & physically removed the dog from us with the chi biting his hands & drawing blood the entire time while he berated us for scaring “his little boy.”
My point is that dogs are dogs, regardless of size, but the humans who take ownership of any dog should also take ownership of the consequences when they are irresponsible with those dogs. Not one single owner of a small breed dog took fiscal or ethical responsibility when their “baby” bit a staffer at our clinic.

Kristie C

October 3rd, 2010
8:09 pm

Scott K – you are my hero, and took the words right as I was typing them:

“Common Man, your analogy to gun control is more right than you know. Guns are not inherently dangerous, and pit bulls are not inherently dangerous; people misuse guns (and other weapons), and people mistreat pit bulls (and other dogs). Criminal control laws that targets specific guns make no more sense than breed-related laws.”

It is 100% true – pencils, tooth brushes, hammers, lots of every day items – cars, alcohol… lots of things can be dangerous in the hands of an irresponsible and careless person. ANY dog can be turned into a fear biter, or aggressive attack dog, if they are mishandled, mistreated and abused. Just like any of the above items can become a dangerous weapon in the hands of someone will ill will. (Just ask any police officer or c.o.!)

Cekker

October 3rd, 2010
10:56 pm

‘Pit bulls are not inherently dangerous nor are they as bloodthirsty and vicious as they are portrayed in the media.’ — Uh huh, sure. Neither are mountain lions and hyenas.

‘Also there is no way to get accurate statistics which mean anything because there is no way to know the population of each breed and mix of breeds.’ — If that’s true, then you cannot disprove that pit bulls are not responsible for the majority of maulings.

‘It pisses me off that on occasion my dog may get out and my neighbors have such a prejudice against her. ‘ — I’m sure it pisses your neighbors off too.

‘You get what you look for and all of our points are this, other fatal dog attacks do not get the attention that a pitbull attack does.’ — That’s because they happen so infrequently. Examples of fatal poodle or pekingese attacks are as rare as examples of honest politicians.

‘(By the way, no one espouses KILLING Marines when they are done with their service).’ — Yet another absurd example equating humans with animals.

‘Now I am done with you. argueing valid points with you is like beating up on a handicap child.’ — How tasteful; pat yourself on the back for that one.

‘This dog is a scaredy cat. If she gets in trouble and you raise your voice she will run and hide. She also cowers and runs away from the cat if the cat so much as hisses at her. Her 3 years old son grabbed her tail and pulled it when he was only 2 and she just stood there and did nothing.’ — This dog obviously has issues and you let a child taunt it?

‘To comment number 3 by “The Common Man”. The Breed is American Pit Bull Terrier. It was not created in ancient Greece…’ — Can we please knock off the history lessons that we’ve heard about a dozen times now? Pit bulls really don’t care about their ancestral and historical background.

‘Additionally, insurers like State Farm regularly offer dog-liability insurance on individual bully-breed dogs, but balk at offering it on many small dog breeds- even if the individual dog has no previous aggression incidents. What does that tell you?’ — It tells me that the insurance companies know that bully-breed dogs are inherently dangerous; I suppose they have been tricked by the media as well?

‘It is 100% true – pencils, tooth brushes, hammers, lots of every day items – cars, alcohol… lots of things can be dangerous in the hands of an irresponsible and careless person.’ — True, but a pit bull does not require a human being to pick it up, open it’s jaws, place the jaws and teeth on someone’s knock, clamp them down hard and repeat 10 or 12 times until submission and eventual death is obtained. Last time I checked, a pencil could not stab an eye out without some type of human intervention.

K9 APBT

October 4th, 2010
12:36 am

People please, please quit responding to anything that idiot Cekker has to say. Obviously that person is to ignorant to educate themselves about the breed they spout their ignorance about. We all know better and people like that will never understand the breed because they refuse to educate themselves! Their loss! Peace.

BullyBob

October 4th, 2010
7:22 am

Dogsbite.org is not an “expert” organization when it comes to canine behavior. There, I’ve said it.

While it seems that lately, several media outlets have been treating them like they have a particular knowledge on the subject of dog bites and attacks (I’ll get to a possible “why” on that later in the post), it doesn’t erase the reality that dogsbite.org is simply a website run almost entirely by an individual person who has an expertise in web design, access to google, and a desire to seek revenge on an attack that happened to her several years. Those are the qualifications behind the website. And it runs no deeper than that. And treating the website as anything more than that is a recipe bad information that will lead to less safe circumstances for people and dogs. Let me explain.

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Dogsbite.org is a website run by Colleen Lynn. In June of 2007, Lynn was an unfortunate victim of a dog bite while she was out jogging. Because of the dog bite, by a dog that is said to be a ‘pit bull’, Lynn decided to create the website dogsbite.org. According to the original “about us” section of the website, the intent of the website was three-fold:

– Distinguish which breeds of dogs are dangerous to have in neighborhoods

– Help enact laws to regulate the ownership of these breeds

– Help enact laws that hold dog owners criminally liable if their dog attacks a person or causes serious injury or death

While I actually agree with her original third mission statement, the original purpose of the website is very clearin the first two statements — she intended to target particular breeds of dogs and ban ownership of those breeds. The goal was not public education or anything that she claims it to be about now — it was about enacting breed specific legislation…even though she has no credentials to propose legislation like that with any basis of expertise.

And make no mistake, all of the experts organizations disagree with her idea on breed-specific legislation.

ShockingButTrue

October 4th, 2010
7:43 am

The statistics that were posted by dogbites and the statistics posted by Mishka are two different sets of statistics. One is regarding dog bites and fatalities and the other is regarding dog bites. The dog bites with fatalities is much easier to prove since there are hard cold facts such as a death certificate. Howeber, with the dog bites, many dog bites from many different breeds go unreported since many people do not want to loose their dog.

This is not a judgmental statement, just a factual one.

ShockingButTrue

October 4th, 2010
7:46 am

Mishka is comparing oranges to dogbites apples…

ShockingButTrue

October 4th, 2010
7:50 am

With statistics like that about pit bulls and dog fatalities, Pit Bull breeders should be held responsible. Why should us tax payers pay for all of those dogs being euthanized and why should so many poor dogs be brought into this world only to receive a lethal injection?

Its deplorable. Pit Bull breeders are out of control.

ShockingButTrue

October 4th, 2010
8:11 am

If the facts about dog bites and dog fatalities are being disputed by Pit Bull owners, then the Pit Bull community should make an effort to analyze the data that the government has regarding dog bites and fatalities. There should be death certificates with information on cause of death.

I know that I personally would prefer to have my neighbors dachsund try to come over and attack me than the Staffordshire Bull Terrier that is walked regularly down my street.

All of this press on dog bites and fatalities is bad for all of us dog owners. First its you with dogs that were bred to fight and guard, then it will be those of us with large dogs of any breed, and then it will be all dog breeds who have bitten.

We are all in this together. As a large breed owner of a passive breed, I implore you fighting dog breeds to put a muzzle on it and put a chain on it and STOP BREEDING SO MANY DOGS!

BullyBob

October 4th, 2010
8:11 am

Very difficult to hold pit breeders responsible when most of them are back yard breeders selling to other people in their neighborhood.. I am not saying it is not a good idea and there are enough laws already to stop the problem with pit bull attacks.. but they are not enforced.

On a more positive note our shelter has had 12 pit bull adoptions this month. I talked to a gentleman yesterday that took one home. Glad I stuck around to see Petey off.. the man had big dogs before but not a pit bull..so I let him know about dog parks, keeping the dog inside as opposed to outside when he was gone..

ShockingButTrue

October 4th, 2010
12:01 pm

BullyBob

There are so many pit bull breeders to be found on the Internet. They don’t mention health certifications and they are constantly parading children with the Pit Bulls.

A woman posting above freely admits that she loves watching her toddler pull her dog’s tail and the dog does not attack. This person obviously is unaware that many times a dog that doesn’t react to that type of behavior can be the deadliest as one day they snap and try to eat the animal that is torturing them. She also talks about how much a scaredy cat her dogs is. Does she know that a dog that shows fear is more likely to attack? That is common knowledge in the dog community.

People need to be educated.

The MANY unscrupulous breeders of Pit Bulls need to be accountable. People are the reason we have this overpopulation problem. Not the Pit Bull.

It’s out of control.

ShockingButTrue

October 4th, 2010
12:19 pm

I want to add that I think that breeders of other breeds are wrong when they parade toddlers and their dogs around too. It is wrong!

BullyBob

October 4th, 2010
12:38 pm

I agree it is a big problem. However I do not see anything done on a national level.. I like pit bull type dogs but they certainly are not for everyone.
Even the staff at the shelter I vol. knows very little about the breed and if I had not been around yesterday Petey would have been feed old roy dog food ( nothing but corn and filler) not to mention being put in a yard for 8 yours a day. The new owner seemed happy to know about how to read what is actually in a dog food and sd. he would keep Petey inside when he was gone. A fair number of pit bulls get stolen since they are really not a good watch dog and to people friendly to make a good watch dog.. when they are stolen its usually by dog fighters.

Drifter

October 5th, 2010
8:42 pm

McDonough teenage girl hit and killed by car this morning trying to get away from an attacking pit bull. Police say they are considering criminal charges against owner. I sure hope so.