Federal law leashes pit bull restrictions

Municipal governments from New York City to Miami, and from Council Bluffs, Iowa to Denver, have responded to fear of pit bulls and similar breeds of dogs, by severely restricting their ownership or banning them entirely from their jurisdictions.  Now, thanks to a rule issued recently by the U.S. Department of Justice, such actions are subject to being struck down.  Jurisdictions now considering such overreactions, such as Douglasville, Georgia, would be well-advised to review the Justice Department’s opinion before proceeding.

Dog owners and humane societies have long-opposed such arbitrary and overly broad laws that penalize thousands of pit bull owners who maintain their canine companions properly and without incident, because of a small number who fail to properly train and control the dogs.  Courts generally have permitted such ordinances to stand, based on deference to the so-called “police power” of local governments to protect the public “safety and welfare.” 

The 20-year old, federal Americans With Disabilities Act (”ADA”), however, may put a stop to such “breed-specific legislation.”  The ADA protects measures designed to help persons with disabilities, which includes dogs used by disabled persons for assistance.  Laws that outlaw ownership of entire breeds, including those that might be used for assistive purposes, would limit the ability of persons with disabilities to use such pets, and would therefore violate the ADA and be deemed by the Justice Department to be unlawful.

In what some might consider a rare example of the federal government recognizing that laws can be overly broad and therefore harmful to individual liberty, the Justice Department’s opinion on breed-specific legislation noted that such laws sweep too broadly; and that it is inappropriate to outlaw an entire breed of dogs because a small number cause problems.  Such problems are the result of owners not restraining their dogs properly or inadequately training them, rather than the result of a particular breed’s disposition, and can be addressed by more narrowly-crafted legislation.

Unfortunately, there are still those, like the mayor of Douglasville, Georgia, who favor overly restrictive measures.  The mayor recently noted in support of the city’s proposed pit bull ordinance, that he had no problem singling out pit bulls, because he sees them “on TV” causing “incidents.”    One would hope that local government officials might on their own possess some understanding of limited government and individual liberty; but if the Justice Department at least in this instance will ensure that they do so by way of a federal law, then the feds are serving as an important check on excessive government power.

402 comments Add your comment

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:37 pm

‘Just like kids.. animals will do wrong when they can.’

Except your mistreated kids won’t rip your throat out with their fangs if given the chance.

Well…maybe yours will.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:39 pm

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:34 pm

‘Honestly cekker speaker that have no life. What dog do you know don’t get in the garbage when there pups?’

Dogs that have owners that don’t control the garbage in their own house perhaps?

haha, your funny. I have control over my garbage when I am home. Do you live with me? No! Do you own a Pit Bull? No! Are you educated on Pit Bulls? No! Are you believing everything you hear on the news? Yes! Are you ever going to quit arguing with us about Pit Bulls? No! Do you have a life? No!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:41 pm

‘That’s it your a teenager!’

Au contraire. Do you reallly think this stupid conversation would be occupying my time if I were a teenager? I would be discussing Justin Bieber or some other youtube ninny if so.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:41 pm

Cekker.. why are even on here?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:42 pm

‘That’s it your a teenager!’

Au contraire. Do you reallly think this stupid conversation would be occupying my time if I were a teenager? I would be discussing Justin Bieber or some other youtube ninny if so.

good answer.. So your an adult with no life! Got it!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:43 pm

‘Cekker.. why are even on here?’

Ditto.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:44 pm

‘good answer.. So your an adult with no life! Got it!’

Ditto.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:44 pm

Cekker.. why are even on here?’

Ditto.

Cause I own a Pit Bull.. and you?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:45 pm

‘good answer.. So your an adult with no life! Got it!’

Ditto.

FYI.. I have a life and I just got on.. You on the other hand seems to me you been on all night and day! So don’t ditto me!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:46 pm

‘Cause I own a Pit Bull.. and you?’

Cause I think that people that own pit bulls are not so bright.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:46 pm

Au contraire. Speaking french now!

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:48 pm

Vous n’aurez pas la vie, afin que jamais

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:49 pm

‘Cause I own a Pit Bull.. and you?’

Cause I think that people that own pit bulls are not so bright.

why because its not your choice of breed?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:50 pm

‘FYI.. I have a life and I just got on.. You on the other hand seems to me you been on all night and day! So don’t ditto me!’

And yet you have been the least informative and most combative pit bull defender so far.

In fact you have yet to make a cogent argument for your beloved breed. Care to try?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:50 pm

Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:52 pm

Celebrities Who Own Pit Bulls

* Jon Stewart of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart owns two pit bulls: Shamsky & Monkey.
* Ken Howard, award-winning actor from Crossing Jordon, was saved by his pit bull Shadow during a medical crisis.
* Movie star Alicia Silverstone owns a rescued pit bull named Samson.
* Adam Brody gave girlfriend and O.C. co-star Rachel Bilson a pit bull named Penny Lane as a birthday gift.
* Oscar winner Jamie Foxx, TV Personality Rachael Ray and Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker Joey Porter all own two pit bulls!
* Jessica Biel has a pit bull named Tina, and Jessica Alba owns a pit bull puppy.
* President Theodore Roosevelt, President Woodrow Wilson, singer Kevin Federline, radio personality Ira Glass, actor Fred Astaire, General George Patton, actor Michael J. Fox, actor Jan President Theodore Roosevelt, President Woodrow Wilson, Michael Vincent, actor Jack Dempsy, Thomas Edison (bright person), singer Madonna, movie star Brad Pitt, actress Bernadette Peters, comedian Sinbad, actress Linda Blair, actor Humphrey Bogart, musician Usher, comedian Mel Brooks, actress Ann Bancroft, singer Pink, actress Eliza Dushku and actress Kelli Williams are just a few other celebrities who own or have owned a pit bull.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:52 pm

‘Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Partially, yes. You do not?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:54 pm

‘Jon Stewart of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart owns two pit bulls: Shamsky & Monkey.
* Ken Howard, award-winning actor from Crossing Jordon, was saved by his pit bull Shadow during a medical crisis.
* Movie star Alicia Silverstone owns a rescued pit bull named Samson.
* Adam Brody gave girlfriend and O.C. co-star Rachel Bilson a pit bull named Penny Lane as a birthday gift.
* Oscar winner Jamie Foxx, TV Personality Rachael Ray and Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker Joey Porter all own two pit bulls!
* Jessica Biel has a pit bull named Tina, and Jessica Alba owns a pit bull puppy.’

Totally unimpressed by this list.

Alicia Silverstone—how far back in the vaults did you go for that one?

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
10:54 pm

Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Partially, yes. You do not?

No I don’t judge people by what type of dog they have! Why should I..

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
10:57 pm

‘Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Well, obviously you do or you would not have trotted that tired list out.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
11:08 pm

Cekker so you judge people for what type of dog they have?’

Well, obviously you do or you would not have trotted that tired list out.

I didn’t.. I copied and past it!! Honestly I don’t judge people for what type of dog they have. I like all dogs and cats!

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
11:09 pm

Alicia Silverstone—how far back in the vaults did you go for that one?

Um as far as the website went!

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
11:13 pm

‘I didn’t.. I copied and past it!!’

Quelle horreur!

You are an imbecile! Thanks for the memories.

Punish the DEED not the BREED

September 30th, 2010
11:25 pm

‘I didn’t.. I copied and past it!!’

Quelle horreur!

You are an imbecile! Thanks for the memories.

No I am not an imbecile. Vraiment quelle horreur … il n’a rien à voir avec horreur. Allez-vous rester sur le sujet. Quoi qu’il en soit, votre inutiles. Alors Bye!

Linda H

October 1st, 2010
12:15 am

In the early 20th century pits bulls were used to symbolized the American spirit and character the way the Bulldog was used to symbolize Britain. And they were considered the All-America kid’s dog.

The CDC stopped tracking dog bites by breed because of the inaccuracies in identifying breeds. I saw an example of it today in a TV news report about a proposed ban on pit bulls. It started with a montage of several supposed pits bulls, one of which was actually a Labrador mix.

Not all of the pit bulls involved in bite stories were abused. Many were untrained and allowed to run at large by irresponsible owners who often got them to make themselves look macho. They encourage the dogs to be aggressive. In other decades other breeds were chosen to project the macho image and were considered the most dangerous – the German Shepherd Dog, and Doberman Pinschers went through the same thing.

Denver has had a pit bull ban for years and thousands have been seized and killed. According to the Animal Control Officers who have to carry that out, most have been good family dogs that never hurt anyone or showed aggression. Most pit bull owners consider their dogs members of the family, just like owners of other breeds. Wouldn’t you feel betrayed by your government if it banned an innocent member of your family? What if it seized a member of your family and killed him just because of the way he looked?

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
8:53 am

Some news items while we were writing on this blog:

Larose boy recovering after pit bull attack
Published: Thursday, September 30, 2010 at 2:25 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, September 30, 2010 at 2:26 p.m.
THIBODAUX – A 12-year-old Larose boy was hospitalized after being bitten twice on the leg by a neighbor’s pit bull earlier this week, authorities said.

Second man wanted in pit bull attack surrenders
CANTON —
The second of two men wanted on charges stemming from a Sept. 14 pit bull attack went to the Stark County Jail to surrender Wednesday.

Pit bulls attack girl walking to school near West Palm Beach
8:23 p.m. EDT, September 29, 2010
Jason Simpson was about to get in the shower on Wednesday when heard a teenage girl screaming outside for help during a pit bull attack.

POLICE have been forced to shoot a dog after it attacked a woman and a man at home.
About 2.40pm, police received reports of a woman aged in her 40’s being attacked by a pit-bull in the backyard of a house on Buckland Road, St Clair.

Dog attack left Wrexham man with serious hand injuries
Published date: 01 October 2010 | Published by: Staff reporter
The dog is described as a bull terrier-type and was dark brown and white.
The victim returned home and was taken to the Countess of Chester Hospital where he is still receiving treatment for his injuries. His dog was also injured.

Woman Attacked By “Vicious Dog”
Posted: Sep 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
It’s an image that keeps her awake at night since that moment a large mixed breed pit bull ran into her yard and bit her.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
8:57 am

Maybe if Pit bull owners would realize the potential harm from their beloved pet, there would be fewer of these incidences and no one calling out for legislation. Keep a leash on your Pit Bull and stop pretending that it is just sweet. Yes the pit bull can be very sweet but at the same time the breeding in the dogs that make up this dog historically were bred to fight and win. Be kind and smart to yourselves and your dogs and use caution and take preventative measures.

Michael

October 1st, 2010
9:43 am

Can you give me a description of the pitbull breed?
The AKC, a highly respectable organization, does not even recognize “Pitbull” as a breed.
As far as they are concerned what the law describes as a pitbull is the cross breeding of several breeds of dogs, and not its own breed. Could you then make legislation across the board for the mixes or rather what makes up a pitbull? I think you would be suprised at how many times a dog is mislabelled as a pitbull. Most are bull breed mixes. I could go on but I think you get the point
Mike

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
9:49 am

Here is an example of an attack that took place yesterday. Please note that this dog was registered. There is no question as far as the breed. The tactic of denying the breed is very lame. Just own up and be responsible about your pet:

Shot dog’s owner baffled by behaviour
EMERGENCY SERVICES
30 SEP 10 @ 11:24AM BY SUSAN LIU

Paramedics tend to the stricken woman at her house. She, and a male partner, were taken to Nepean Hospital in a stable condition with bite wounds. Picture courtesy JASON DONNELLY/Matt Black Productions
THE owner’s father of a dog shot dead by police at St Clair yesterday is baffled by its behaviour.

Alan Edwards, 53, said Chopper, a staffordshire bull terrier, was a “lovely dog” and had never acted aggressive towards him.

Police were called to the Buckland Rd home at 2.40pm after they were tipped off that a dog had attacked its female owner and another man.

When police arrived, the dog acted aggressive towards them. It ran away after it was capsicum sprayed and tasered but later returned and tried to attack a police constable.

The constable tried to use pray but was forced to shoot it. The dog died at the scene.

Mr Edwards was contacted by police last Wednesday and arrived home to find his wife Michelle, 49, and another man, in his 50s, being treated for serious bite wounds.

Police said the constable was forced to shoot the vicious dog because he had no other choice.

Mr Edwards said he was “devastated”.

“I don’t know what happened. It’s quite out of (Chopper’s) character,” he said.

“They must have done something wrong and the dog rebelled.”

He said Chopper belonged to his son, who was working interstate.

Mr Edwards believed the other man, his wife’s dancing partner, provoked the attack.

“The dog doesn’t like strangers. Anyone who’s friendly with the dog doesn’t have any problems. But it’s strangers he doesn’t like,” he said.

There were two other dogs on the property but they were not involved.

A neighbour who witnessed the attack said they had never had any problems with dogs on their street.

But since the attack, she said other neighbours were worried about the Edwards’ other dogs.

Mrs Edwards and the unidentified man were taken to Nepean Hospital with bite wounds on their arms and legs.

They are in a stable condition.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
9:54 am

Also, please note: The UKC will accept the staffordshire bull terrier as an American Pit Bull Terrier.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
10:29 am

ShockingburTrue…its very hard to say what went wrong here… I think all dogs give warning signals but most people dont pay attention to them or dont know them. To me raised hair on the back and creases or folds on the head (because the ears are perked up) is a sign the dog is anxious. Plus dogs get up on their front toes and actually spread the toes when thinking about attack.. this person that was attacked was a stranger to the dog so I doubt if she would read the dog.
The only reason I know this is through reading, watching my dogs and having a friend that is a professional dog behavorist. (not a trainer but a behavorist).
I love my dogs but from past experiences I always remember they are animals and they are much happier because I remember this.
I was at a dog training class a few weeks ago. One of the students had a terrible limp and left class… I noticed Jack was very intent on watching her. The instructor indicated he had visited a wolf santuary and no was admitted that had a limp, open wound etc. because the wolf percieved this as weakness. He thought Jack was probably honing in on this person because of perceived weakness. I have also noticed him looking very intently at a small baby that was crawling around very fast. I have seen him kill ground hogs so I am sure he figured this was some kind of animal. Jack was on a very heavy nylon line at the time and the infants parents saw what was going on and laughed… I did not think it was a bit funny as I new exactly what was on Jack’s mind.
Now before anyone bashed pit bulls… I am sure Jack Russels, Boston Terriers, GSD, Akita and my favorite dog to stay away from a Chow would do the same thing.
Cesar Milan has a very famous saying about power breed dogs… as the level of the power of the breed goes up… so does the responsiblity.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
10:44 am

“Now before anyone bashed pit bulls… I am sure Jack Russels, Boston Terriers, GSD, Akita and my favorite dog to stay away from a Chow would do the same thing.
Cesar Milan has a very famous saying about power breed dogs… as the level of the power of the breed goes up… so does the responsibility.”

That is exactly what I am saying. It is harmful to these breeds to promote them as the sweetest dogs around. It is irresponsible for a person to promote these breeds as being good with children and even a protector of children. I also feel it is the wrong breed to train as a therapy dog since it is unreliable. This morning when I was searching for news stories regarding dog attacks involving pit bulls, I came across pages of listings of occurrences that all happened within the past week. There are so many owners who are in denial. Their dog gives them kisses so they think they are not capable of tearing apart another living creature. It’s similar to people who harbor wild animals such as wolves, tigers, lions, CHIMPS…
We love our pets like family and some people will fight like ‘pit bulls’ for their pet.

Dropthecookie

October 1st, 2010
11:01 am

He sees them on tv because of the media bias. That is also why “the common man” who does not seek knowledge outside of narrow-minded main stream media hears that story so many times.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/359112/national_canine_research_council_reveals.html

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
11:03 am

Its still possible to treat a pit bull dog with love and still be responsible.. I mean my dog Jack gives me a kiss quite a bite of the time and loves his car rides and sleeps in bed with me..
However I am very aware of his prey drive.. I have had kids appear out of the blue so to speak and there he is face to face with a 4 year old.
Nothing bad has ever happened and it probably will not.. however I never think a small child and a powerful dog should be left together unsupervised.
I know the pit bull was called the nanny dog in the past.. but I am a bit fearful breeders now days go for size, interbreeding and aggresivness. A good breeder like York Kennels who is kind of the old type breeder.. breeds for temperment as opposed to gameness. She has pictures of puppies with her grand kids..but the adult dogs are usually kept outside on long lines.. so some people may critize that.
Anyone interested should read the Working Pit Bull by Diane Jessup a very factual book about the history of pit bulls, dog fighting, training. She is a former ACO and has a very titled whose name escapes me..
There are actually a lot of things a pit bull will excell in… tracking, agility, weight pulling.. and the German sport where someone dresses up and gets attacked (cannot think of the name) but there is a lot more to it than being attacked.
Also many pit bulls are great drug detection dogs.. Popcycle (spelling) a rescued pit bull is attributed to deteting one of the biggest narcotic busts in US history.
As far as therapy dogs they do detect seizures, visit hospitals etc. so I think I would disagree with someone saying they dont make good therapy dogs.
Most of the attacks I read about (get a goggle alert every day on dog attacks not all pit bulls) it basically is the person’s fault. The dog is usually not trained, the person does not realize the dogs strength, the dog was with a stranger, or a child was left unsupervised with a large dog.
I remember a story about a pit bull chewing off a babies testicles.. well the mother apparently was in another room with her boyfriend and the baby had a dirty diaper. Well I hate to say it but dogs will eat fesces because it has unprocced food. Now in my opinion it was not the dogs fault he was just doing what was natural went for the food and of course the testicles were probably covered with fescus… could have been avoided if the mother had been responsible…

Dogmom16

October 1st, 2010
11:20 am

The definition of ignorance is the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc. If you think pitbulls are any more vicious, unpredictable, or aggressive than any other breed, you are ignorant. You want facts? Here are the facts: AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER was tested by the American Temperament Test Society. Of the 608 dogs tested, 510 passed with flying colors, giving the breed a 83.9% PASSING SCORE. They scored higher than the beagle, airedale terrier, greyhound, havanese, scottish terrier, and maltese (to name a FEW). The STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER was tested and scored a 89.6% (higher than the poodle). SO WHY DON’T YOU ANTI-PITBULL IGNORANT PEOPLE GET OFF YOUR HIGH-HORSE AND FIND THE REAL FACTS. Don’t believe what you read in the media… most of these stories are used for shock-factor and MOST of these dogs aren’t pitbulls or pitbull mixes at all…. they use the breed name for shock value. I LOVE MY” PITBULLS” AND I WILL CONTINUE SAVING THESE DOGS AND CHANGING PEOPLES MINDS ABOUT THEM FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. THEY ARE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE GREAT FAMILY PETS AND THERAPY DOGS!!!

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
11:23 am

The article is about legislation and there are many places in the world today that have passed BSL. There would be no provocation for these laws if dog owners would take responsibility. If an owner is going to deny the potential problems that could arise from their dog, then there will continue to be way too many of these news reports regarding vicious dog attacks.

These laws affect all of us. People who don’t manage their dogs properly affect all of us. Everyone needs to use caution and take preventative measures so that their dog doesn’t become the next poster child for an attack dog. The reason the Pit bull is picked on so much is because there are just too many of them being bred. You can see that by the numbers of pit bulls that end up in shelters. I Google pit bull breeder and there are just so many, many breeders out there while at the same time there are a huge number of them in shelters. That is irresponsible and it is a problem caused by humans, not by the Pit bulls. That problem needs to be solved.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
11:34 am

A person that posts to these discussion by the name of Dogcentric has the following idea: All pit bull type dogs that are not registed dogs with the AKC and UKC and have not won a championship etc. ( in other words a good example of the breed) should be spayed and nuetered and micro chipped. My dogs are S/N and chipped.
I would carry this a bite further and say all breeds unless a show dog show be S/N and chipped. Once the canine and feline population gets more manageable we can relax the rules.. There are just to many dogs and cats destroyed in shelters and that is the good death.. how many die out on the streets a horrible death is probably something no one knows.
I read a book by Randy Grim he wrote about the stray dogs in St. Louis, Missouri.. most die a terrible death.

Betty Bully-Lover

October 1st, 2010
11:38 am

I believe there are two distinct types of pit bulls……what I call
“street pits”…those are dogs that gang type people own, who may be fought. Plus, the gang people breed “mean to mean to mean” coming up with their own type of pit. If an unknowing person buys one of these pups and if this pup is not handled intelligently and responsibly, there could be big problems.
The pits, rotts, bully breeds that are bred for the show ring are bred for correct temperament, structure, etc., etc.
In my mind, these are the two distinct differences (simply put) between the bully breeds.
Dogs have teeth, all dogs will bite. Dog bites will go down if people educate their children to not put their faces in a dogs face, wave food around the dog, tease them, etc.
The public gets a daily barrage on TV humanizing any dogs. Wearing clothes, sunglasses, riding in strollers, wearing bonnets & hats…so when a dog acts like a dog the reaction from the public is to ban it or kill it.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
11:46 am

Betty Bull-Lover… hmmm I had been thinking this for a long time by the type of pit bull type dogs we get in our shelter. Some are simply beautiful or handsome… like my Jack and Petunia.. others are difficult to manage and really have some structure flaws. One thing about a shelter… if a dog makes it through the stress and does not bite a vol, gets through the staff evaluation and does not die of disease they are basically a sound dog.
Beleive me I would never buy a dog of Craig List or any other service.. shelter dogs are the way to go. There are millions destroyed every year. Mostly pit bull type dogs and its not the breed so much as there are just to many of them..

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
11:51 am

Hi Betty,

I hear what you are saying but out of the many news articles that I have come across, the dogs responsible many times were referred to as Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Even though a dog is owned by a person who is doing their utmost to breed responsibly, that person’s dogs are still descendants of the dogs who were bred for the bull ring and for the rat pit.

I really think that people in general are susceptible to falling into the denial that something that we love is dangerous. I think that the woman who owned the chimp, Travis (who ruined her best friend’s life) is a really great example of how deeply we can fall in love with our pets and protect them at all costs… even other beings lives.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
11:54 am

I am not saying that those responsible breeders should stop breeding (I don’t think there are very many of them from what I see) but that they should not be cavalier about their dogs just because they may have won a championship.

Dr. Pangloss

October 1st, 2010
12:11 pm

Update: the little girl who was attacked by two pit bulls in West Palm Beach was in intensive care on the 29th. She was bitten badly in the face.

http://www.cbs12.com/news/girl-4728864-face-attacked.html

Okay, how many chihuahuas have put anybody in intensive care?

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
12:15 pm

Many of the news articles regarding pit bull attacks involve dogs that are roaming… how responsible is that? They always seem to be able to locate the owner. Quite often they are a neighbor of the victim who is often a child. There also are a number of cases posted where the dog is the ‘family pit bull’ …these stories are very sad.

Cekker

October 1st, 2010
12:19 pm

Warning Dr. Pangloss:

In about 5 minutes you will be inundated with nutty responses from ‘pitty’ lovers saying, amongst other things:

– How do they know it was a pit bull?
– There is no such thing as a ‘pit bull’– that is just slang!
– These dogs were just not trained properly.
– My lovable pitty sleeps with my two year old and we have never had a problem.
– Pit bulls are the victims of the media.
– Dachshunds bite too, you know.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
12:30 pm

Warning Dr. Pangloss:

In about 5 minutes you will be inundated with nutty responses from ‘pitty’ lovers saying, amongst other things:

– How do they know it was a pit bull?
– There is no such thing as a ‘pit bull’– that is just slang!
– These dogs were just not trained properly.
– My lovable pitty sleeps with my two year old and we have never had a problem.
– Pit bulls are the victims of the media.
– Dachshunds bite too, you know.

dont forget Boston Terriers also …

glad you are finally seeing the light…Pekker… ops sorry Cekker

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
12:35 pm

BullyBob,

I am not sure what the answer is here… It seems that we should be able to do something to help the situation but I don’t know what that something would be… education sure is a great place to start. People need to know if they own certain breeds that they need to take extra precautions as far as keeping that dog from entering into an aggressive situation… not really sure.

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
12:40 pm

ShockingbuTrue.. I think tonight on Animal Planet is a program called Fatal Attraction.. I beleive the chimp that mauled the person is part of it.. not to mention a tiger or two.
Pit bull type dogs are not quite in that category but they are powerful dogs.. I dont know if got the post about the Canary Island Fighting dog.. I am a pretty good dog handler.. but as Clint Eastwood sd… a man has gotta know his limitations.. in other words I know I would be over my head with a dog like that… probably why they are a very rare breed but I have to admire the strength and muscularity of a dog like that… and to be honest it is one reason I like pit bull type dogs.. they are super strong.. but that strengh can be used for other things than the fighting pit.. like weight pulls…

BullyBob

October 1st, 2010
12:43 pm

ShockingbuTrue … well there is spay and nueter..which our shelter does to any dog that comes in after its 3 day hold. Education is also a good start.
Beleive it or not Mike Vick has helped pit bull type dogs more than any person around.. finally dog fighting was brought into the public light.
Personally I hate him and think him insincere but his case helped with the plight of pit bulls.

ShockingButTrue

October 1st, 2010
12:54 pm

BullyBob

I’ll have to catch that show…

It would be good if there was an ad campaign aimed toward those dog fighters that hit them at their own level…. below the belt

See it all the time

October 1st, 2010
1:38 pm

You see this all the time. When someone doesn’t have anything intelligent to offer to an argument, but still wants to win the argument, they degrade to petty name-calling and insults. I see it in forums all the time. There are two disagreeing sides, both want to win the argument, one does the research on the topic to provide intellectual points and counter-arguments, the other, just thinks his opinion on the matter is correct no matter what, and doesn’t actually have any information aside from his/her opinion, so he/she resorts to insults, name-calling, and using something as small as a typo/grammar correction to insult the other person’s intelligence.
Cekker, you have shown how ignorant you are on this subject by doing this. If you had any actual facts, something that’s *not* media based (Media goes for ratings, not facts), you’d be providing an actual argument, and not something I’d see from an upset teenager.