Federal law leashes pit bull restrictions

Municipal governments from New York City to Miami, and from Council Bluffs, Iowa to Denver, have responded to fear of pit bulls and similar breeds of dogs, by severely restricting their ownership or banning them entirely from their jurisdictions.  Now, thanks to a rule issued recently by the U.S. Department of Justice, such actions are subject to being struck down.  Jurisdictions now considering such overreactions, such as Douglasville, Georgia, would be well-advised to review the Justice Department’s opinion before proceeding.

Dog owners and humane societies have long-opposed such arbitrary and overly broad laws that penalize thousands of pit bull owners who maintain their canine companions properly and without incident, because of a small number who fail to properly train and control the dogs.  Courts generally have permitted such ordinances to stand, based on deference to the so-called “police power” of local governments to protect the public “safety and welfare.” 

The 20-year old, federal Americans With Disabilities Act (”ADA”), however, may put a stop to such “breed-specific legislation.”  The ADA protects measures designed to help persons with disabilities, which includes dogs used by disabled persons for assistance.  Laws that outlaw ownership of entire breeds, including those that might be used for assistive purposes, would limit the ability of persons with disabilities to use such pets, and would therefore violate the ADA and be deemed by the Justice Department to be unlawful.

In what some might consider a rare example of the federal government recognizing that laws can be overly broad and therefore harmful to individual liberty, the Justice Department’s opinion on breed-specific legislation noted that such laws sweep too broadly; and that it is inappropriate to outlaw an entire breed of dogs because a small number cause problems.  Such problems are the result of owners not restraining their dogs properly or inadequately training them, rather than the result of a particular breed’s disposition, and can be addressed by more narrowly-crafted legislation.

Unfortunately, there are still those, like the mayor of Douglasville, Georgia, who favor overly restrictive measures.  The mayor recently noted in support of the city’s proposed pit bull ordinance, that he had no problem singling out pit bulls, because he sees them “on TV” causing “incidents.”    One would hope that local government officials might on their own possess some understanding of limited government and individual liberty; but if the Justice Department at least in this instance will ensure that they do so by way of a federal law, then the feds are serving as an important check on excessive government power.

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BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
7:30 am

One thing about pit bull haters… they never allow any other thought but their hate for the breed. There is a woman by the name of Collen Lynn ( who Cecker may well be) who runs a website Dogbite.org. She claims to have been bitten by a pit bull. Since we know that the breed does not exist.. I have always wondered what type of dog it was. But that is not my point. Her whole life is dedicated to the hate of this breed. She is a web developer and really knows nothing about dogs except the news articles she gathers.
Since there is some truth in the fact news agencies seem to love to print about pit bull attacks her data and view of the situation is very slanted. Much like Checcker.
It must really make these people paranoid when you start seeing shows like the Pit Boss, Pit Bulls and Paroles and Cesar Milan having a pack of pit bull type dogs. Daddy, who died, was such an ambassador of the breed.. and so is Hercules (Shorty Rossi’s pit bull). My dog Jack is very much like these dogs.. huge and very well mannered. Now the department of Justice is taking away their thing to hate..by saying pit bulls are not that bad and their precious BSL laws are ill written and against citizens rights.
I guess people like Colleen and Cekker will have to find something else to hate pretty soon..
It must make them pretty angry that I am not a drug dealer, but a retired Navy Officer and half way literate.. ( do make a couple of spelling errors)…
But people like this need a purpose in life..which is blind hate of something..it works like this they may have been bitten by a dog which they thought was a pit bull. They then start looking for everything in the world that will enforce their fear and hate.
I got held up a gun point years ago by a couple of guys that were heavily tatood. I didnt start thinking gee everyone with a tatoo is bad. In fact I just got a nice tatoo of my dogs.

Fortunately I live some where the state law prohits BSL type laws. Unfortunately for the pit bulls there are a lot of bad owners in the area. However I will continue to own and rescue pit bull type dogs until I am to old… and Cekker dont hold your breath for me to be mauled to death.. I know it would make you happy but its not going to happen.

Southern Class

September 30th, 2010
7:35 am

The American Temperament Test Society conducts tests every year on thousands of dogs to determine the soundness of their temperament. The American Staffordshire Terrier routinely ranks well above many “popular” breeds such as the Beagle, Collie, Doberman Pinscher and the Cocker Spaniel. This is a very intelligent, human-oriented, active dog and an affectionate family pet. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy dog. One of the characteristics that most owners and breeders talked and look for particular in this breed is gameness. Gameness refers to perseverance, spirited, readiness of a dog to accomplish a given task.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
7:42 am

Cekker if you really care…why not show people how not to get bite by dogs. I do this all the time. First never put your face in a strange dogs face. Second never go over the top of a strange dogs head. Put your hand down and let the dog sniff you. Third and most important ask the owner if it is ok to pet your dog. Fourth learn about dog language. This is really one thing good about pit bulls there body language is easy to read… raised hair on the back is a sure give away. Where a long haird dog you will never see this. If a dog shows its teeth dont push it.. shy dogs are more likely to bite than a confident dog.
You could do some good work Cekker by studying dogs and teaching people how not to get bite.
I vol at a shelter where if a vol is bite the dog is pts…so reading the dog is very important.
Also what name are you going to use next Collen ?

Southern Class

September 30th, 2010
7:43 am

Ok BullyGirl, first of I’m not a him I’m a her :) Secondly, search some facts first before you nit pick my comments. The American Staffordshire Terrier is said, in all the articles I have found, to be for England. Also let me clarify, my two dogs, brother and sister, are ADBA and my 90lb Blue nose show/pull dog is UKC :) Also, for those that talk about “pit bull” temperament read up on the The American Temperament Test Society . The have said that the American Staffordshire Terrier ranks well above other “popular” breeds on their temperament.

Jefferson

September 30th, 2010
9:14 am

Get insurance, by the way it will cost you more and hope you don’t get sued if your pit bites somebody. The odds are stacked against a pit owner. Just advise in case.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
9:27 am

I used to think that the pit bull was not so dangerous if trained and treated properly up until last week. A friend of mine who has a German Sheppard and a Pit bull left to go to work. Upon arriving home, his German Shepard laid torn open in a pool of blood. His pit bull who everyone thought was soo sooo sweet, sat panting with hardly a scratch on him. He has had both dogs from puppy hood. The dogs were trained for obedience and both very social with both people and other animals (including cats.) It was as if something just snapped in the Pit bull. The German Sheppard was in surgery for 5-6 hours and just went back into surgery yesterday. I have met both dogs and felt that they were very laid back sweet guys… The whole incident was shocking.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
9:30 am

Jefferson… Pit Bull Rescue Central (PBRC) has a list of insurance companies for people that own pit bull type dogs.
The best insurance is to train your dog, make sure he is always on a good leash, and have a good 6ft fence and when the dog is in the backyard always keep an eye on them.
Remember a pit bull type dog and any other type of dog never is ever any smarter than a 3 to 4 year old child… hopefully every one would watch a 4 year old carefully.

mike

September 30th, 2010
9:30 am

all you people that bash pits probably don’t know the first thing about the bully breed. You see a large dog doing something displeasing and bam it’s a pitbull doing it. Tell me why and all the other border line retards need to pull your head out of your ass and get a clue. Most reported pit bull attacks are mutts not bully breeds but they take the wrath of it anyways. The stereotypes out there about these dogs could not be farther from the truth. I’m ot saying all are bred just as companions but you cannot blame a dog for fighting if it was trained to do that that’s the owners fault and they should be criticized, not the breed. If raised in a loving home they ae the sweetest dogs but most people won’t even give them a chance. It’s sad how ignorant some people can be.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
9:34 am

Shockingbuttrue… most of the time pit bulls will not fight.. however once they do fight…its a sure thing which dog is going to win. I leave my pit bull type dogs home together all the time and most owners do.. but it can happen.
When I adopted my second.. the shelter manager at the time sd. every once in a while pit bull owners will come home and there has been a fight. Most of the time though the fight happens when the human is around because the dogs want something the human has or they get excited when the human gets home.

mike

September 30th, 2010
9:37 am

and expecting all dogs to be proper and friendly is like expecting all people to be nice. Do we have murderers and rapists? Yes so going on the pitbull bashers reasoning all people are bad because of the actions of a small number of the human population. People are more intelligent than digs and they still go and harm other people so apparently some people are holding dogs to a higher standard apparently.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
9:57 am

BullyBob,

I hear what you are saying but it doesn’t make me feel less shaken up by the whole attack incident. Here you are defending the pit bull and you are saying that these attacks happen… Sounds a little contrary…

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:05 am

Shockingtruth… a good pit bull type dog owner knows what the dog is capable of. Just like the owner of a GSD knows the dog can clear a 6ft fence with ease and take down a human without much effort.
I would say there were warnings between these two brothers… also when you were growing up did you ever get in a fist fight with your sibling ?
Ever here of Tia Maria… she runs Villalobos and is the lady on Pit Bulls and Paroles… she talks about 2 male pit bulls that were best of friends then one day one bumps into the other when going through a door.. then it “was on”… She did not stop wanting to help pit bulls over this.. the other point is one of the dogs was probably always backing down and got tired of it.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:08 am

Shockingtruth.. one of the worst dog fights I ever saw was our family doxie and my neighbors mutt… both non-fixed males.. everyone was afraid to get there hands in the mix until one of my neigbors reached in and grabbed one of the dogs and pulled them apart..
My point all dogs fight..
Ever watch Spike… mixed martial arts… looks like a fight to me.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
10:29 am

BullyBob

I’m sure the neighbor with the doxie wasn’t afraid for his life as he would have been with a pit bull. Yes, all dogs can fight but Pit bulls were bred to kill other dogs. I went to find statistics for dog bites and came upon an article first thing about a 2 year old human child who was recently torn apart by her grandfather’s pit bull and killed.

I was on the side of the pit bull before my friends pit bull tore his German Shepard apart. Now I feel that they should never be bred since they are so unreliable and deadly. Why not go with a more reliable breed? I just don’t understand the concept of wanting to own a dog that can snap into killing mode just like that. What is the point?

Pit bulls have lost my sympathy.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:36 am

Shockingbuttrue… so the dog that killed the 2 year old.. how was the dog identified ? by the newspaper.
There is an interesting statices. Rescue groups ( the people that should now) when they identify any breed of dog and then compare that with DNA analysis of the actual dog are correct only 25 per cent of the time in their identification. Do you think new paper reports are more acurate ?
The other thing about what you read was the child being watched and the dog also.. I read about this quite a bit and there are 2 things that stand out 1) The dog usually is a mutt. 2) The dog and child were not being watched.
Our shelter adopts out what most people would say is a pit bull.. however they do not go home with any children under 10 years old and most of the time it is 14 years old.
I dont have children but if I did regardless of the dog I would never leave the dog and child together unattended. I had dogs when I was very young and any time I got a warning from the dog my Mom had the good sense to ask me what I had done to the dog.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
10:46 am

BullyBob

They had a photo of the pit bull with the story. This dog was clearly a pit bull and identified as a pit bull by the owner.
So, I just went and searched recent news stories regarding pit bull attacks and there were 12 news articles that I found right away that occurred over the last 24 hours… That seems like an awful large number of pit bull attacks to me.

You still haven’t swayed me back.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
10:53 am

Well Shockingtruth… there are a lot of pit bulls in the US and only a small majority of them every do anything wrong.
Did you read about my Meg who I lost in August to bone cancer.. I had her 10 years and was a very loyal pet. She never harmed anyone and was in one fight in her life when a lose shepard attacked her. If you did not read about her I would not be surprised because stories like this never make news articles.. sadly news is only interested in the bad stories. So when you do your search what kind of stories are you going to find?

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
11:02 am

majority… should been minority on my last post.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
11:05 am

BullyBob

I am very sorry for your loss. I understand that pets become part of your family. I fully understand how dogs give that unconditional love that most humans are incapable of giving.

My friend wept when he freely took his pit bull in to be euthanized but he felt he was doing the right thing. The trust that he had for his well loved pal had been broken. It has been a terrible and painful event for him.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
11:18 am

Shockingtruth… I love pit bulls and mostly I love the dogs I have.. Jack a big red nose and Petunia,,,14 years old.
However years ago I had Wilton, Meg (who I lost) and Petunia. Every once in a while I noticed Wilton and Petunia showing there teeth to each other. Which were warning signs.. I did not take head. Anyway what appears to be an out of the blue attack.. Wilton locked onto Petunia.. it took a good 3 minutes to get them apart and I was in a tight corner. I made the error of grabbing Wilton muzzle and received a sever puncher wound.. my confidence in Wilton was lost.. he was euthanized that day. To this day I am still haunted by the event .. not fear but did I do the right thing and I should have paid more attention to the warning signs. They will warn you beleive me but if you dont pay attention.. well the consequences are usually fatal to the dog.
I will always be a pit bull type dog advocate.. maybe its something abou the underdog.. or the way Jack and Petunia put up with me. I know other people will say a poodle will do the same.. well I have owned a poodle but they are not a pit bull type dog… I think the good owners of these dogs see the good qualities… but they should be aware of the strength of these dogs.. kind of like the person who talked about the Canary Island Fighting dog.. I would not own one but it does not mean the breed is bad or that person did not love and care for his dog.

TiredMom

September 30th, 2010
11:38 am

Actually Cekker, if you do a search, you will find a story from California about a chihuaha that killed a 2 week old infant and ripper her to shreds. Of course that won’t sell papers, so it’s never on the front page. I would rather have a big dog any day than have a small dog attack me while the owner laughs and says how cute their dog is. Next time a “lap dog” grwols or nips at me, you can bet I’m calling animal control and demanding the viscious dog be put down to protect innocent people. I have been bitten by more small dogs, and I always ignored it. Now, next time it happens, you can bet the animal will be put to death. If you think BSL is fair, then you better make laws banning certain people from moving into your state in case they kill someone. Oh wait! You can’t. You probably beat your children too, right? Cowards is what people like you are.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
11:45 am

BullyBob

I have been a dog lover myself since my childhood dog. I have been around a lot of dogs and a lot of dog owners. I participate in dog events. I have owned a variety of dogs in my life.

At this point in time, after what my friend recently experienced and also after what I learned from today’s investigation and conversation, I would not feel comfortable taking in a pit bull. I would feel that in doing so I would be supporting the breeding of a dog that is bred to kill other dogs. I would feel that I was supporting the dog fighters and drug dealers who breed these dogs to kill. I also would feel that it would be a terrible stress point to train this dog and I would never feel I would be able to trust the dog. I also would be worried that I would wake up one morning and find one of my other dogs torn apart in my living room.

I also would feel very uncomfortable having a pit bull living next door to me. How am I to trust that the owner has trained their dog and also how could I trust that their pit bull wouldn’t just jump the 6′ fence to get at my two dogs? I have heard that pit bulls can jump very high. I am upset that I feel this way. I always thought of myself as an open minded person but the reality of this situation hit too close to home in a negative way.

I’m sorry that you can’t see yourself with a different breed. There are some really great dogs out there that weren’t bred to fight or kill. I petted my friends big lovable pit bull and I thought he was sweet even though he was so big and had such a powerful looking jaw. However, the fact that he felt he should put him down has affected me as well. I feel that he was following his heart even though it was a terrible and difficult thing to do.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:01 pm

I dont feel like I am supporting drug dealers or especially dog fighters. I know the punk kids that want them.. I have had them ask me to sell one. All of this makes me want to protect the breed even more. I have seen pit bull type dogs come into our shelter in a very abused state yet in a month they are ready to give me a kiss. I work now with a dog named Hemi.. his brother frooze to death last winter and Hemi came close. Hemi gives a lot of people the whale eye but when he sees me come he is a puppy all over again.
I can understand not wanting a pit bull type dog.. I actually wished they were a rare dog like the Canary Island Fighting dog.. but they are not. To many jerk back yard breeders.. yes I would love to buy a Jinny York pit bull one of the best breeders for ABPT.. but there are just to many to rescue.
I once read a poem about the maimed and hurt dogs in heaven..they were all talking about a special person that was coming to heaven that day.. they called that person a rescuer… I know I am never going to set the world on fire but if I can help one or two pit bulls I will die a happy man..
So I guess it gets down to each his own.. but please dont try to intefer with my choice and I would appreciate not being critized for my choice but then we get people like Cekker.
Thanks for keeping the conversation civil.
Bully

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:06 pm

My last comment was to Shockingbuttrue

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:13 pm

I hope that none of the pit bulls that you rescue ever hurt the owners that you found for them. My friend whose pit bull tore apart his German Shepard is a seasoned dog owner and he trained his dogs. I don’t know if his German Shepard is okay yet or not. If not, he’ll be without both dogs. Two weeks ago all of us who knew them would have said that it would be impossible that his Pit bull would have attacked anyone or anyone’s dog.

I’m sorry to say that the breed has lost my trust.

Bullyluv

September 30th, 2010
12:20 pm

At The Common Man – A Poodle, Labrador, Dachshund just to name a few can do just as much harm to a child as any working breed dog. Check the national bite statistics to see which breed really has the most reported bites. And even doing this won’t be accurate…because most people don’t report it when Fifi or Fluffy bites them.

NotaSheep

September 30th, 2010
12:21 pm

For everyone on here quoting “studies” about “pitbull attacks”, I would like for you to visit this website.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
In the majority of attacks, the dog is MISIDENTIFIED as a pitbull.
Most of you-if not all-will get this wrong.

JABRULLA

September 30th, 2010
12:23 pm

@Common Man, you’re a complete moron get your facts straight before you open your COMMON mouth.

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:29 pm

NotaSheep

What you wrote caused me to look up the definition of pitbull. This is what I found and I think this is what this article is talking about:

Pit bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the molosser family.
Most jurisdictions that restrict pit bulls, including Ontario, Canada,[1] and Denver, Colorado,[2] use the term “pit bull” to refer to the modern American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, or any other dog that has the substantial physical characteristics and appearance of those breeds. However, a few jurisdictions, such as Singapore[3] and Franklin County, Ohio,[4] also classify the modern American Bulldog as a “pit bull-type dog”, while in the United Kingdom the term applies only to the American pit bull terrier.[5] All three breeds share a similar history, with origins rooted from the bulldog and a variety of terriers. The term can also refer to dogs that were known as “bull terriers” prior to the development of the modern Bull terrier in the early 20th century.
Research has been conducted into human fatalities related to pit bull type dogs due to a number of well-publicized incidents. These incidents resulted in breed-specific legislation being enacted in several jurisdictions, and to increased premiums for liability insurance.

Kathryn Harris

September 30th, 2010
12:31 pm

So many of these comments are “I heard this” or “the media says”. Very little based on personal experience. Gosh, the media wouldn’t exploit people’s fears or prejudices for ratings, would they?
A dog’s tendency to bite could be affected by:
• Lack of socialization, between the dog and people or other animals,
• Improper or no training,
• Lack of supervision or conditions of living for the dog,
• Victims behavior,
• Whether the dog has been spayed/neutered or unaltered. Unaltered male dogs are overwhelmingly implicated in dog bites, both fatal and nonfatal. In fact, this single factor is more strongly correlated to fatal attacks than the dog’s breed or the manner of containment.

The Center for Disease Control stopped tracking dog attacks by breed in 1998, because they believed that such tracking did not aid their research and was not a valid basis for the formation of public policy. In addition, breed-discrimination laws don’t make people safer. Studies done in the UK, Spain, and Denver, CO, found that laws that class any member of a specific breed to be dangerous /vicious did not result in the reduction dog bites. Some studies have shown that after enforcement one of these laws, bites increased.
Especially in these times of limited funding, we should not waste funds and man hours on witch hunts against illusory threats, but rather should invest our resources into proven, effective tactics that make our community safer, such as enforcement of laws against dog-fighting and animal cruelty.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:36 pm

Shockingbutrue.. well I have vol at a shelter now for 3 years.. I can think of one dog that was returned for bitng a person..the dog was PTS.
Most pit bull type adopters either have had one before ( easy adoption) but the new ones get the low down on owning a pit bull.. No dog parks, watch them around other dogs, and we check out the neighborhood.

You are right pit bulls can jump high.. my Jack got over my 6ft fence the first day going after a squirel.. I yelled at him..rushed through the gate and there he was sitting on the other side of the fence.. well Jack weight was 67 pounds then (and full of parasites) Jack weighs 85 lbs now and cannot get over the fence even though he can move 2 sections of the fence when he collides with it.
Also since I own pit bull type dogs that is all I will own. I realized with the first they play very rough and it would take another strong dog to stay up with them.
My biggest fear is this. A little yapper comes running loose at Jack when he is being walked. I have taught Jack to get behind me and carry an air horn.. but if the little yapper gets around me and Jack feels threatened.. well I am not naive.. Now you may say how terrible.. well I asked the ACO how do I stand..she sd. Bully if your dogs are leashed and the other dog is off leash..you will not receive a ticket and your dog is in the clear..
Now the other night I was driving my car and out comes 2 small dogs off leash… I almost ran over them.. people would say well the dog should not be off leash and you were not at fault for hitting the dogs with a car… however if my pit bull killed the dog when the dogs ran into him it would somehow be my pit bulls fault..

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:40 pm

Kathryn Harris

BullyBob and I were speaking about our own real life experiences. Please take a look…
We are on different sides of the fence but we both were speaking from real life experience. I would like to hear from others who have had real life experience as opposed to just quoting like you did from conjecture and the media.

JoeBully

September 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

It is always the same. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility. Some one misuses a gun? Take them from every one. Some one has mistreated their dog? Ban that type from being owned by everyone. Stop being scared of everyone and everything and do something to help protect the rights we have. I live in a neighborhood in the city full of blue collar workers and contractors. Most of us have dogs that are willing to protect us and we all carry guns. There are a lot of pit bull type dogs in our neighbor hood. Kids around here know better than to approach dogs of any kind and neither the dogs or the kids are allowed to roam free around the neighborhood.

It works for us. We all look out for each other and respect each other and our neighborhood. The problem with society today is no personal responsibility. Protect me, feed me clothe me. it never ends with the whining. Tighten up people. Stop blaming dogs and guns and lack of god for whatever problem confronts you. It is up to you as a free American citizen to take part in life. Not run from it and complain about it. Freedom isn’t free. It takes hard work and tolerance of things that don’t fall with in your own personal belief system and circle of tolerance.

Educated Lady

September 30th, 2010
12:45 pm

Those that feel that “Pit Bulls” are dangerous and vicious dogs is simply lacking education on the breed. I encourage those individuals to have the courage to seek out information about this breed even if it proves your current theories wrong. I went through the process and I have gone from ignorance to advocate. Education brings knowledge. Anyone who educates themselves on the American Pit Bull Terrier knows this breed was called the “nanny dog”, was a poster dog for the military for it’s values of strength, courage, and loyalty. Starred in movies such as “The Little Rascals”. Several are CGC certified and are therapy dogs. If a “pit bull” is inherently dangerous and vicious, none of these examples would be possible. I am a proud owner of an APBT. A sweetheart of an animal that lives with two other dogs, visits a farm of 15 other dogs twice a week to play, and harmoniously lives two children– one of which is 5 years old. Ah yes… there is one problem… she can’t control her licker. ;)

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

BullyBob,

Thank you for your conversation regarding the Pit bull.

What would you do personally if you left the room and heard a fight going on in the next room? Doesn’t it make you nervous?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
12:49 pm

Where to begin…

‘There is a woman by the name of Collen Lynn ( who Cecker may well be) who runs a website Dogbite.org’ — Never heard of her so obviously she is not me.

‘It was as if something just snapped in the Pit bull.’ — That’s a common theme in pit bull attacks on humans and other animals.

‘Pit Bull Rescue Central (PBRC) has a list of insurance companies for people that own pit bull type dogs.’ — Hmm, I wonder why these sweeties require specialized insurance.

‘I’m ot saying all are bred just as companions but you cannot blame a dog for fighting if it was trained to do that that’s the owners fault and they should be criticized, not the breed.’ — Actually you can criticize both as fighting is the ‘raison d’etre’ of a pit bull.

‘however once they do fight…its a sure thing which dog is going to win. I leave my pit bull type dogs home together all the time and most owners do.. but it can happen.’ — Really, who would have thought that about the sweet pit bull?

‘People are more intelligent than digs and they still go and harm other people so apparently some people are holding dogs to a higher standard apparently.’ — No comment necessary.

‘Here you are defending the pit bull and you are saying that these attacks happen… Sounds a little contrary…’ — Amen.

‘Ever here of Tia Maria… she runs Villalobos and is the lady on Pit Bulls and Paroles… she talks about 2 male pit bulls that were best of friends then one day one bumps into the other when going through a door.. then it “was on”…’ — How can that be? I am certain that these dogs were extremely well trained and you all are so insistent that if you just train your pit bull properly, this won’t happen.

‘Anyway what appears to be an out of the blue attack.. Wilton locked onto Petunia.. it took a good 3 minutes to get them apart and I was in a tight corner. I made the error of grabbing Wilton muzzle and received a sever puncher wound.. my confidence in Wilton was lost.. he was euthanized that day.’ — Another shocking story from Bully. Aren’t your dogs well trained?

‘Actually Cekker, if you do a search, you will find a story from California about a chihuaha that killed a 2 week old infant and ripper her to shreds’ — Congratulations! You found 1, count it, 1 incidence of a crazy chihuahua killing a 2 week old. Now try NOT to find thousands of incidences of pit bull attacks on people of all ages using your same detective skills.

‘I can understand not wanting a pit bull type dog..’ — What? When they are so sweet and reliable?

‘A Poodle, Labrador, Dachshund just to name a few can do just as much harm to a child as any working breed dog.’ — How about to an adult?

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
12:55 pm

Educated Lady

My experience was just the opposite from your experience. I was pro Pit bull up until last week when my friends pit bull tore apart his German Shepard… Both of his dogs were so sweet and they also were trained. He is a well experienced and responsible dog owner. This experience is what caused me to look at the news feeds and realize that there are a lot of pit bull attacks that occur. I’m not sure how this should be handled. I am all for freedom but it seems that the victims of the dog attacks are generally not the dog owner. Should there be a special license for those wanting a pit bull proving that they understand what it takes to be a responsible owner?

NotaSheep

September 30th, 2010
12:56 pm

Shocking-the other dogs are not “pitbull type”. Most are not even terriers. If you read the definition you yourself posted more carefully, you will see that “pitbull type” dogs are varying versions of the staffordshire terrier and nothing else. Boxers, Dogo Argentinas, and Ca de Bous have no “pitbull type” qualities and are still identified as “pitbulls” or “pitbull types”. Thank you for helping prove my point that people can’t even tell me what a “pitbull” is and yet have no problem identifying one in a fight

Jenwolf74

September 30th, 2010
12:57 pm

here is an interesting little video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtqXudr7qAQ It’s called Pit Bull Hoax. It’s about 15 minutes long or there abouts, I didn’t look at the time. The video is VERY educational & may change a couple of minds…. well lets only hope anyways.

Dr. Pangloss: Bully Breeds are used EVERYWHERE as assistant dogs actually if you watch the video you will see a couple of examples.

To Everyone that says Pit Bulls are bad… Before Vick happened, it was Rotweillers, before that it was Shepards, Before that it was Dobies. (probably not in that order but you get the idea) It’s whatever the media fells like picking on in that era.

To whoever said you never here of a poodle or chi-chi biting your face off… well… those stories don’t make it to the media because it’s not exciting!!!! The only dog I have ever been bitten by is a chi-chi & I am always around other dogs because I just have to say hi to all of them. I have an Irish Setter mix who is all belly up to people & most of the time to other dogs but if the dog sniffs her butt for too long, she will attack. My neighbors have two american pits that are out front every once in awhile everyone runs away & it pisses me off because although the owners are crackhead scum… their bullys are the SWEETEST babies & full of love. My dog went off on them too because they were sniffing too much.

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
12:59 pm

JoeBully…well I like the last name.. but the neighborhood sounds scary.. just not a pro gun person which you may say sounds contrary.. because I am pro pit bull all the way.
I got held up at gun point years ago and ever since then dont like them.

I will say I feel very secure with my dogs.. especially Jack.. very mellow guy but there is no doubt in my mind he would protect me with his life if necessary.
As soon as I get some personal stuff taken care of I am adopting another pit bull.. I always like 3 in my pack and if my vet bills didnt keep me broke I would have 5.
I really dont know what my neigbors think about my dogs other than the fact that they say your dogs never bark..I dont ask them.. and my neighbor didnt ask me when he cut down all the trees out back to put in a stupid swimming pool and I see his fat behind swimming ever summer.. gross..

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
1:00 pm

‘To whoever said you never here of a poodle or chi-chi biting your face off… well… those stories don’t make it to the media because it’s not exciting!!!!’

Are you joking? A chihuahua ripping someones face off would be national headlines for weeks! ET and Good Morning America would be on it like white on rice!

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
1:02 pm

Not a Sheep,

I did not prove your point at all. I searched for a definition of Pit bull and posted that. I did not comment on the dogs in the link that you posted.

Chris

September 30th, 2010
1:04 pm

lyss

September 30th, 2010
1:10 pm

pit bulls are amazing dogs. it is never a dogs fault, it is always the ower. look up stats about dog attacks each year, and you will be suprised as to what dog it is! you people just get sucked into the media and start to assume that pits are bad dogs. i have a pit myself and she is the most kind and loving dog ever. she has never even hurt a fly on the wall. people that are quick to judge this breed are just straight up lazy! they dont take the time to research the breed, they just sit there and watch action or drama movies and think they know what they are talking about….
stop punishing the dogs, and start punishing the people!

ShockingButTrue

September 30th, 2010
1:12 pm

Chris

In that case the baby was saved but if it is true as Bully Bob agreed that a pit bull can snap then that story could have just as well been about the pit bull snapping and hurting the baby.

I am finding this to be so confusing… My friends pit bull tore apart his other dog and he never showed any aggression whatsoever in his life up to that point in time. I hope people with babies aren’t being swayed to go out and get a “protective pit bull” for their baby after reading that article.

jenalyzabeth

September 30th, 2010
1:15 pm

That “mayor” needs to be fired. He’s going to support a law based on what he “see’s on TV”? If he supports everything that he see’s on television, I would be terrified to live in his town! Not enough people take the time to look up the facts and see that Lab’s are infact higher up on the list of “dog incidents” that Pit Bulls. And Dr. Pangloss, you are the one that needs to get it right….Pit Bulls are, not suprisingly, wonderful Therapy Dogs. I have in fact made a career of Recuing and Rehabing Pit’s and training them to be Therapy Dogs and even Reading Aides for illiterate children. I’m sure that you are far to simple minded to stop and think about the fact that ANY dog is capable of falling into the wrong hands and becoming agressive. Before you haul off and start calling people “quacks”, check your facts!!

BullyBob

September 30th, 2010
1:16 pm

Cekker.. so what kind of dog do you own ? Or did it run off from you ?

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
1:16 pm

‘I hope people with babies aren’t being swayed to go out and get a “protective pit bull” for their baby after reading that article.’

Shocking, I am afraid that many of our current commentators will think that is a dandy idea.

Cekker

September 30th, 2010
1:21 pm

Bully, no dog for me. I live in a condo and can’t stand the thought of keeping it cooped up all day. But if I do, I would love to get a Boston Terrier rescue dog. You know, a dog that does not have a zillion incidences of ripping other dogs and people to shreds.

Does that mean that I am too inexperienced to comment?

jenalyzabeth

September 30th, 2010
1:28 pm

Cekker-I have owned Boston Terriers my whole life and although I love them dearly they are one of the top dogs on the “bite list”. And your comment disturbes me….”You can’t stand the thought of keeping it cooped up all day in your condo, but you would love to get a Boston Terrier” So from what I gather, it’s ok to keep certain breeds cooped up but not others? That comment alone answers your own question…Yes, you are in fact to inexperienced to comment!